One thing that annoys me is that besides Sephiroth’s classic route and the WOL Boss Rush, there’s no easy way to refight the bosses, they could’ve made the fights accessible by the spirits menu, it would’ve made so much sense! Also I wish the Miis were included in more of the side modes like Classic Mode and Smashdown
This is singlehandledly the worst part of the game fr, there's no convenient way to test any character against any of the bosses since they're stuck on routes in Classic Mode or after a long gauntlet as the 2nd phase of the final battle of WOL
Not being able to replay the Master Hand fight where you actually control Master Hand is the worst part imo. It's right at the end of the game so you have to play through the ENTIRETY of WOL again just to play as Master Hand again one time.
12:28 probably a big reason why Poke Floats never returned it's because the japanese audience doesn't remember it as a floats stage It was just called Pokemon Subspace, and was just some abstract space with random Pokemon models, I don't think it got as much popularity in its native country compared to the west
Oh that’s interesting if true, I just thought it was that it couldn’t fit 8 players but they wanted all stages to support 8-player Smash (until they put in the stage builder)
@@TheAnimationStationTAS I feel like it's wrong for incinceroar who represents Pokemon, to not do well in a Pokemon stage. That's like Banjo not doing well in Spiral Mountain. It made sense back then because Mewtwo, Pikachu, and Jiggly Puff are good at platforming.
@@orangeslash1667Melee had higher gravity which made platforming as a whole a lot harder plus half the stage has you descent rather than climb. I personally think Rainbow Cruise is harder for platformers
4:46 The text was a big factor in why the trophies got removed too though You're forgetting the game is multi-language, and this amount of text just multiplies absolutely everything that has to be translated per team with all the language options, so the text being removed is a big part on saving development time, it'd have been like 1000+ pieces of text to proofread
Considering PJiggles perfect example on Reyn, it would probably be easier than you imagine. Sure, it would be more time, but it would also be worth it, considering that Smash Bros. not only wants you to experience your favorite characters crossing over but also find out about new characters. Also, programmers wouldn't write those texts. They would probably hire "lorepeople" or something like that who would know or research those characters and write matching descriptions. The biggest issue for the development team itself would be to asign texts and a "game of origin" label to spirits which is probably done in under an hour by the average programmer.
And not only the text must be translated, but must also be properly localized, which is specially harder if an specific franchise already had problems with the localization like characters having different names per game, and some names also MUST be changed because it can mean something bad in another language, like Manuela from FE3H in Spanish, since Manuela is a funny way for us to refer to masturbation, and imagine having to do that for games those were not localized in the first place.
@@italolxd3128 Text can be easily programmed in, what is depicted in the texts however, is a matter of quality assurance And across roughly 14 languages, multiply that for 1100+ pieces.. do the math of how much that'd balloon the development alone
@@kirbyofthestarsfan Not that I underestimate the work here, but I think it would be worth it and also realizable for the third most selling title on the Switch.
Honestly, I get it, but I don't care. Telling people about series (or even just games or characters) they might not know about is very much inline with being a crossover, especially when including so many relatively obscure series and spinoffs. Fights leave you guessing way too much, and are just not entertaining past the first time. If anything they feel like a chore. Having descriptions you can just read in your spare, more chill time would add so much. The main problem arises from accuracy and localization, both of which having ways to work around it. Especially from one of Nintendo's most high budget titles. If they wanted me to care about ARMS, the least they could do was tell me what each character is like, not just ambiguously show me something that I can far more easily misinterpret.
It's hilarious. That Maria fight is a great reference to her being playable in Dracula X, but like you say, if you don't know that she attacks with birds and has a variety of animals to call upon as subweapons, the fight makes no sense.
@@gv82089 Demon Casle Dracula X: Rondo of Blood is the full Japanese title of the game, and the PSP remake is titled Dracula X Chronicles. So saying Dracula X, while not common, would be accurate.
Trophies were such a shame to lose imo. It's a very minor thing but it gave an opportunity for characters that likely never would have got a 3D model. Imagine if Geno got a trophy in Ultimate, it would be his first 3D model ever and it'd be really cool. Losing out on the great trophy descriptions also sucks.
@@velvetbutterfly Well, yea that's true, but the models are only available as basically PNGs as far as we know. Fair correction though, I should not have said it'd be his "first ever" model. If Smash brought back trophies and Geno got a trophy, we would have a viewable (and readily available for importing) model that can be turned all around and stuff. Again its a very minor thing but it'd be really cool to get in my opinion
@@TheGamersState Yes, and it's ALSO incredibly low poly, since it's on the 3DS as a mere background object. In Ultimate it's kinda better because it's higher definition, but that model is still kind of awkward to use since it's literally just the top of her body, rather than a full model.
@@theonlybilge Tbf to the idea that channel was the reason, while I don't necessarily agree with the theory, the channel did get enough attention to reach Nintendo's legal team, which most channels that make similar content don't, they singled out SML because of how edgy it was and how it was ruining their brand (to my memory of how things went down)
14:52 This actually IS my biggest issue with Ultimate. Not only does it ruin the perfect rectangle we had after Sora, but the event that added him happened after both the last DLC and after they announced they would start repeating Spirit and Tourney events, suggesting we could still get new spirits in the future… and then they just didn’t do anything else.
I said it on the last video and I'll say it again. I hate that Bowser and the DK reps get generic animal noises instead of their actual voices from their home series.
Sakurai seems to have a specific vision, and to me it's like if he doesn't like something, it has to go. Like, why doesn't Olimar have a voice? He can speak. Why doesn't Isabelle have a voice? She can also speak. Sometimes I do think it's for the better, like how he wanted Banjo and Steve to be their classic designs and not based on later entries.
@@Liggliluff and how he (supposedly, and i don't have a source for it so im not really sure its true) said to namco that if they didn't have pac-man use his Pac-Man World design he wouldn't even PUT HIM IN. based move right there
well it'd be troublesome to make a whole voiceset for Koopa because... isn't he just Totakeke laughing, slowed way down? and the same laugh sped up is the Teresa? and I thought DK WAS using his actual voice from his game.
On the Xenoblade Icon, I'd argue that the Aegis core is actually a pretty good choice. Keep in mind, ever since the remake, that core is also directly tied to a story-relevant character in XC1, and it represents the driving force behind the settings of all 3 games... existing, that being the Conduit. This specific shape appears in every Xeno game, not just Xenoblade, and also plays into the many references to christianity scattered throughout the games.
Now that you remind me of it, if we happened to get a Xenosaga or a Xenogears character would it have to use the core logo? Which could be confusing for non fans since those are different series even if they are connected and share the same Xeno part.
@@juanrodriguez9971 I'd say they're far enough removed to give them their own logo. The DK characters also have their own logo despite being part of the larger Mario franchise.
9:00 the shape of the core crystal is the same shape as "the conduit" which plays a major role in the plot of both games, so it would make sense to have it as the universal logo for Xeno reps
Honestly one of my biggest complaints about ultimate is how they decided to change normal link to BoTW link, but they changed only like two things. I had so many cool ideas for what his new moveset could be and the only interesting thing he got was remote bombs. like what if they moved the spin attack (and possibly give it urbosa's fury if charged long enough) to down smash and made up special revail's gale with the paraglider , and make it when you block you can have daruk's protection to reflect projectiles with a timer on using it again. and if they wanted to use all of the champion abilities they could have done something like once per match after you reach a certain percent mipha's grace heals you for like 15 percent. i mean they went to the effort of making some changes to link to make him stand out from the other links, so why not go all the way?
the final smash being an ancient arrow was fitting but im just imagining a short range stasis attack where if someone stood in front of you within that range theyd get stasised and then you could build up momentum to launch them
Sakurai doesn’t want the characters movesets to be too different from how they started, as to not put off older players. People keep asking for characters to be given entirely new movesets but forget about this.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 but thats pointless if theres other characters with the same moveset, or if one of them has significantly changed in design (lets be honest. botw link is NOT oot link.)
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 I'm sorry but as much as I love Sakurai, this logic of his is so flawed. Not only do we literally have 3 Link's all with a moveset reminiscent of all past games but he had no problem with changing stuff like Mario's Down-B, Wario's Dash Attack AND Forward Smash, Sheik and Zero Suit Samus's Down B's, and Kirby's Dash Attack. If anyone in Smash deserves a complete moveset remake, it's Link.
The most annoying thing is that when playing with friends, you have to keep picking your character again, since the first one it keeps the character already selected and you can go right into another match.
4:15 Maria Renard is from Castlevania Rondo of Blood, the Japan exclusive PC Engine game that Richer comes from. She's an unlockable playable character that uses animals she can talk with to attack with instead of Richter's standard Belmont Arsenal. Both characters can use Super Attacks to screen nuke everything, hence the Cuccos, and she's one of four kidnapped maidens in Rondo of Blood, hence Zelda, and the Reset Bomb Forest because it's vaguely castle themed without being Dracula's Main Place.
About the maria spirit battle, shes represented by zelda because of their similar appearance, and the characters in her spirit battle reference her sub weapons in castlevania rondo of blood and sotn: a falcon, dragon, and tiger
(2:25) Actually, several models were just ripped straight from games, with the exact same model and textures, just posed. So while it was still some additional time, they didn't make new models for every trophy.
Ways they could include the other stages: - Jungle Highjinx - as part of this stage, it can have the whole foreground and background fall apart forcing the players to one or the other side. If a stage morph is about to happen, force the players to the foreground. - Pac-Maze - have the player who eats their power pellet glow. Then if they are the closest player to a given ghost, have that ghost appear as blue. For online play, only consider the players locally on your console. It's not a perfect solution, but it's something.
yeah I would have dug if, similar to omega forms, they had "not infuriating" forms for the very mobile stages. Then they could be included, since I mean, the assets exist already, just need their textures upscaled.. could even include all the other other maps from past games that aren't usually stages, I mean literally why not? Just like why didn't they include all past bosses since their animations and programming is already finished.
The problem with Trophies never was the models; they were taken from other parts of the game, or even from different games entirely. The ReAL problem were the descriptions. Having to write descriptions for 700+ characters was already a daunting task, but then they had to translate them to the other 11 languages Smash is available on
Note that it will be 14 localisations, because English, Spanish and French has to be written from an American and a European perspective each, depending on what things they include. Spelling, grammar, wording, game titles, references, it would change.
@@josefdelaville4638 But they'd have to run them past all the new censorship boards they're under. Some of that content could raise the rating since we apparently let radical islam take over videogames at some point.
For the models, some of them were original creations, while most were just ported from somewhere else. e.g., the Mega Man trophies in Smash 4 used new models, but the Punch Out!! trophies in Smash 4 reused the Punch Out!! (Wii) models. I'm going to guess that most of the models are ports/reused, but even then, posing and optimizing them is a big undertaking. Though with all that said, simply giving descriptions to all the spirits would've run into issues regardless, like some of the ones you mentioned. The spirits already have weird rules around them (e.g., all the base game Pokémon spirits use the Global Link art aside from Detective Pikachu, and no human characters are featured), so I imagine writing descriptions would make things even more complicated on that front. Who knows how much help the copyright holders give in terms of lore/descriptions too, since Smash has had incorrect trophy descriptions in the past.
I'd argue that the Monado is still a good series logo for Xenoblade as a series. The series is called XenoBLADE Chronicles, and there's always some mystery behind the blades in (as far as I know because I haven't played 3 yet) all the games, Xenoblade X notwithstanding. The logo being the first major blade in the series to be introduced makes sense... SPOILERS FOR THE XENOBLADE SERIES AS A WHOLE . . . . . . . . . . ...(and it's not like it doesn't technically connect to the other games in the series as well).
Also the monado has made an appearance in every xenoblade game including x 1: Shulk's weapon 2: dlc 3: amiibo or completion (unknown if 1 save data is needed or not) X: very small versions as hair clips
@@Nelsito99Also, the Aegis swords are basically Monados (heck even Malos calls it Monado), and Lucky Seven/Sword of Origin/Sword of the End are pretty much man-made Monados forged from an alloy of metal from the two worlds (if that doesn't meet the criteria for you, Ontos wields it in the DLC as well)
The Monado itself even appears in all three games through Shulk's appearance in Xenoblade 2, it's skin in xenoblade 3 and, spoilers for 2 and 3 ahead: Malos' Monado in 2, the Monado Rex appearing in Xenoblade 3's eplilogue and then appearing alongside Shulk in it's dlc and Alpha wielding the Monado I as his weapon, with A's weapon also being called the Monado, though is in a less recognizable form
12:50 Orbital Gate didn't have exactly the best reception among players despite the cool visuals, because that layout was just super awkward and unstable to fight on Shame it didn't return but despite all the effort put into it they probably knew it wasn't very popular and unstable for Stage Morph
Stage Morph is probably why we didn't get Pokefloats and Wolly World back too. Still cannot fathom a reason as to why Rainbow Road didn't return though, it wouldve worked fine with stage morph.
@@Inky.64 Same, would trade the very underwhelming 3D Land stage for Rainbow Road any day, it just feels wrong having so many songs for it but not being present here
12:35 This small edit just makes me feel good. The three black spaces in the game feels so empty which is nitpick of the century but just....look at how good it looks filled in.
About the Evil Ryu spirit complaint, I remember someone else talk about it and said that the only reason they didn't mind it was because the spirit who threw of the cosmos was... EVIL RYU?!?!?!?!?!
In defense of spirits not having written descriptions, there are a LOT of spirits in Smash Ultimate - and like you said, one would be hard-pressed to find someone who is familiar with *every* franchise in Ultimate well enough to write a description for not only every major one, but every minor/obscure spirit in every franchise. Of course a game like Smash would have multiple writers, but even still, I suspect that a lot of the time spent making those descriptions would have to be spent researching, or even talking directly to the games writers FROM those many franchises. As someone who's done games writing in the past, there's a ton that goes into it, and especially for a massive crossover game like this, pretty much every entry would have to be cross-checked with the lore bibles (or the next-best thing) of every single franchise to make sure that characters and lore aren't being misrepresented. Never mind the fact that they'd probably want to avoid things like spoilers (though I know Smash hasn't always done well with that, re: Fiora), and that might make some descriptions tricky. What do you put for the Spirit of, say, Balder from Bayonetta? Do you say that he's her father, a spoiler for Bayo 1? Do you say that he's actually heroic and trying to help her, but eventually loses his way, a spoiler for Bayo 2? If not, what do you actually say about him? Because ignoring those two things leaves you with "he's the enigmatic bad guy from bayonetta 1 and totally isn't in bayonetta 2 just younger and wearing a mask ha ha ha" and that really complicates things. I think it would've been rad to have full descriptions of every Spirit, and I'm sad that Spirits were ultimately rendered as boring as they were, but speaking from what little experience I have with games writing, I can easily imagine a group of 5 people having to spend several months of development time on just those descriptions *alone*, and with the way that the gaming industry treats its writers... yeah. Oh also don't forget that every DLC fighter ALSO brought over many, many spirits, which would all need their own descriptions, and it's not like the original dev team could have hired people for their knowledge on the lore of intended DLC fighters, sooooo....
Also, needing all that text then also to be translated into every language available, and it could just blow up the size of the game, just because of text.
TL;DR on Maria Renard: she's originally from Richter's debut game Rondo of Blood (with a few more subsequent appearances) and the "animal friend" assists she has in her Spirit battle represent the Four Guardian Beasts of Chinese mythology that she can call on for some reason.
In regards to pjiggles biggest gripe with Ultimate, I was really bummed when it was revealed Skull Kid was an assist trophy again. Seriously hoped he’d be a fighter this time around
Really? MGS4 has a codec call (I believe forced but could be wrong) where Otacon explicitly says "right, fluent in six languages, huh" in Act 2 when Snake reads a billboard for the local PMC
@@velvetbutterfly I played that game a bunch of times back in the day, but there was quite a lot of cinematic scenes and codec calls in MGS4, so I guess it's normal that I don't remember some bits of information
I'm gonna say that one of the things that bothers me the most is Link(s) The three comes for three diferent games in theme, art direction, narrative and still their game style is too identical, the difference is very small, just like Mario and Dr. Mario Why they didn't get the Roy treatment: Starting as a clone but slowly becoming their own selves even if you recognice their origin, like come on, you have the inspiration and besides Young Link tje rest of the characters where in at least two smash entries.
I feel like Zelda really could use another rep. It's one of Nintendo's biggest franchises but it really hasn't had a new character (besides another link clone) since melee.
My biggest gripe with the Links is specifically Young Link's final smash being the same as Toon Link's. Like come on, if they wanted every Zelda character to represent a different game, they could've at least given Young Link a final smash relating to something Majora's Mask related. Fierce Deity was RIGHT THERE and they could've used that in some cool way
@@alexanderackerman3807 I think Nintendo and Sakurai are really bias towards 2d series, because their so easy to transfer well in Smash. Thats why Pokemon and Fire Emblem get top billing, they're more 2d than 3d. Where as Zelda is more 3d than 2d. Which explains why there is more Fire Emblem than Zelda in Smash. Yes Zelda is more popular, but when transferring characters thats the least important.
One annoyance I have with Ultimate is the inconsistencies with censorship. For example: Pyras non-fighter spirit isn’t censored but the playable and her fighter spirit are. There’s other spirits depicting characters in revealing clothing but some who should be arnt
To be fair, that could be less Ultimate's fault, and more censorship rules in general being inconsistant. I'm sure you can find plenty in other things, games and otherwise.
I believe it was because at some point the ESRB updated its policies to be more strict, to the point that if a game with a higher rating is mentioned in promotional material of a lower rated one, the latter's rating will be raised to match the former's. That's why we ended up with Mii Costume trailers saying something like "Super Smash Bros. Ultimate × Dante" instead of "Super Smash Bros. Ultimate × Devil May Cry". So yeah, even mentioning a M-rated game in an ad can warrant you a M rating. This was done after Joker's release so that's why his trailer still has the Persona 5 logo. And it doesn't affect content released before the update so that's probably also the reason why they didn't update Pyra's spirit from the base game (her outfit isn't as revealing as Mythra's, who did have to be censored from the start). I believe this update could seriously affect the chance of characters like Snake returning or Doom Slayer becoming playable as Nintendo wouldn't have an easy way to promote their respective franchises without being forced to raise their family-friendly game's age rating to a point where almost no one will buy it. PD: forgot to mention it can also be CERO's fault, since they are the Japanese equivalent of the ESRB known for being even more strict (Palutena was almost not going to make it to Sm4sh because her outfit was a bit too revealing).
I'm one of the 3 people in the world who actually really likes the Yoshi's Crafted World alternate costume and I use it a lot, though it really could have been better, and black Yoshi should absolutely not have been cut for it. Honestly when it was first revealed, I thought all the Yoshi colors would stay and that either crafted Yoshi would be a 9th alt, or that every single color would get their own crafted alt, similar to Little Mac and his wireframe alts in Smash 4.
I have to say, with the spirits thing... THANK YOU! Seriously, you hit the nail on the head when it came trophies in the original. It was nice to just read the descriptions of characters from different series. Funnily enough reading Ness' description in 64 made me want to try earthbound. Sure you can just look up the character, but I doubt you're going to boot up your PC just to find one character from that one obscure game, from that one series, you barely know anything about.
I wanna say, they probably had FF as the Final Fantasy 7 symbol because, if I recall, it was never initially planned to only be FF7 in the game. I think before Cloud was finalized, several other characters from the series were considered. And there's nothing to say Ultimate wouldn't have possibly added other FF series content at some point. I mean, we did get Sephiroth, but you know what I mean
@Liam McNicholas I dunno it just kinda feels like they should just out Tifa in there since adding someone from a different game would feel jarring at this point lol
He only came with 2 songs when Cloud got in the game but thanks to Sephiroth's inclusion FINAL FANTASY 7 got more songs another stage spirits and FINAL FANTASY 7 Mii costumes
I still think Lightning or Noctis would have fit Smash better and while 7 is globally immensely popular, if it's only 7 content the logo does feel boring. If there was any other songs or anything I'd love it
It's funny how almost every company in the world is spending ludicrous amounts of money to put advertising in every place possible but Nintendo removed trophies from smash even though they were amazing advertising that fans actually liked and engaged with. Even if Nintendo just used the exact same 3D models with the exact same text and added no new trophies people would have still loved the feature.
I think Pneuma's core actually fits the Xenoblade series perfectly, given that The Conduit features the exact same shape and they also changed Alvis' (I think thats his name, the dude that teaches you how to use that one art in the forest that's good for fighting Telethia. It's been a while...) pendant from a random key that is never used to a charm of the same shape in XB1 Definitive. I haven't played or seen literally anything of Xenoblade 3 yet but I'm more than willing to bet The Conduit plays an equally large role in that game as well.
2:56 don’t you ever scare me saying magical vacation is boring 🥺, that series means the whole world to me. But yeah, spirits are kinda a letdown, those descriptions would’ve helped. At least it’s fun to fight them without spirits. They are certainly a challenge. Great video buddy.
Whilst I like that they made Spirits an optional part of the game, the problem is that very few people use Spirits in battle, especially Online. I use Spirits because of all the customization options but its a pity that the Trophy replacement is barely used by (in my opinion) a large chunk of players. I'm happy if they keep Spirits, I just hope they add small descriptions for them and put a little more effort into them.
14:52 I love this because when scrolling through the spirits one by one you get whiplashed by the complete contrast to this character's design and then just Mario.. Really shows the beauty of smash bros
The series icon for xenoblade could be the trinityprocessor or the conduit since they are connected to all the xenoblade games and being the whole reason why xenoblade 1 and 2 are connected and the whole reason the xenoblade universe exists
My gripe about spirits are that some spirits can evolve into way stronger spirits when maxed, but there are also some spirits that would have made a lot of sense if they could be evolved. My prime example here is the Riku spirit, where it could have been an evolvable spirit where he could have been inside his darkmode outfit, but nope. He's stuck in his destiny islands outfit
07:34 well. It make sense if you think what logo will they use when a (or some) FF character(s) is added to a SSB game or/and DLC(s) some is not from FF7. A good idea for the future.
It will never baffle me that they choose to make the icon for fe marths falchion despite the physical fire emblem appearing in more games than it and being a more distinct shape for an icon.
The Fire Emblem changes a lot though. It's not only the Shield of Flames, but it's a gem in Roy's Sword, it's Lehran's Medallion, it's a chainsaw sword, it's a magical bloodline power.
@@velvetbutterfly but the shield of flames is still used more than Marths falchion in mainline games and is literally the series namesake. Besides the other versions just wouldn’t work all that well as the series symbol (other than the crest of flames but that’s only in 3h.)
@@banbanthebandit4002 okay but look at the history. When FE joined Smash, it was just Marth and Roy, neither was out of Japan yet, their Emblems were vastly different but they were noteworthy for being pure sword fighters, Link used other tools, and the title screens for both their games/boxes featured swords prominently. It made sense to go with a symbol that represented both especially with Roy being promotional. Then when Brawl came, Ike replaced Roy and was the only one to be known by the west. Lehran's Medallion could have been a fine insignia I think, but that would overshadow Marth who is the face of the franchise in Japan, so once again the sword makes sense. I feel like it's worth noting now how iconic the FE3 design of the sword is and how the OVA played a part in that due to it being the sword design used despite Marth's actual outfits changing. (Also, the OVA aired in the west too, making the Falchion more known than the titular Fire Emblem at the time of Melee even if NoA didn't have immense say during this era) It wouldn't be until 4 when people would have had a chance to see the Shield of Flames with 11 and 13. 11 being such a low selling game that the series was going to end if 13 didn't meet a certain quota. And by this point, a lot of people got the idea of legacy in their heads. That things that have been there from the beginning simply could not and would not be changed or removed. Ness was there since 64, they knew Ness would be in even though he never got revealed before launch. So at this point, changing to Crest of Flames was something no one would want. And lastly for Ultimate, DLC shouldn't be considered for a franchise logo. Yes, 3H was one of the most requested games to have a character from. But if Byleth isn't in the base roster it makes zero sense for their logo to be used for everyone that was. You also had Snake changing logos for legal reasons. So options for FE Logo boil down to Falchion (3 characters and legacy icon that suited most of the games) Lehran's Medallion (1 character that sold poorly) Shield of Flames (4 characters, is suited to only those 4 but still acts as face of the franchise) Mark of Grima (people suggested this due to Robin's reveal and focus, cool design, unique, doesn't really fit anyone but sold super well) And something from Fates, be it Yato (just Falchion but new) or Azura's pendant. Either way only applies to one character and while I think it'd look like a nice design, wouldn't fit better than any of the above. While I can respect each idea, and it'd be cool if each character/game had their own icon instead of the franchise as a whole, Falchion was just by far the most appropriate pick for each game
Maria Reinard one is probably a reference for the PC-Engine Rondo of Blood where she was playable, and Symphony of the Night for Saturn/PSP, where she was also playbale, the birds where her main form of attack on Rondo of Blood, hence why the cucko, and the other cpus assisting her are because of her playstyle in Symphony of the Night and her item crashes in Rondo of Blood, where she could summon a dragon, a tiger and other 2 mystical animals.
The Monado actually does make sense for the Xenoblade series logo, since it still has some sort of appearance in every game. Hair clips in Xenoblade X, the weapon Malos uses in 2, etc
fun fact in moray towers stage the cat in the backround will show a flag and the color of the flag will show who is in the lead player 2 is blue player 1 is red player 3 is yellow so on so forth
9:38 I feel like the trinity processor or just a flat core crystal could also work pretty well though there's not really any way of getting around that without confusing people who haven't finished the games. Neat reference for fans though.
regarding botw link, the final smash being an ancient arrow was fitting, but im just imagining a short range stasis attack, where if someone stood in front of you within that range, theyd get stasised and then you could build up momentum to launch them. fits with stasis launching stuff and smash being about launching opponents into the air
8:28 I've not heard anyone ask for this to be the Persona series icon over the Phantom Thieves Logo. If anything, I've heard people ask for it to be based on Jack Frost, since it's for all intents and purposes the most recurring entity in Atlus' games as well as its mascot. I personally think it would be a good thing to change it to in the event of a future smash game bringing in representation from other series under Atlus' catalog, such as Shin Megami Tensei (mainline) or its spinoffs, such as Raidou Kuzunoha or even other Persona protagonists
I think it's a pretty neat idea, but jack frost holds no representation to any of persona's themes or story. It's like saying Temmie should be the logo for Undertale.
On the topic of Spirits in Smash Ultimate, they actually replace more than just Trophies, and fail at replicating the fun of each and every one of them. So, I am going to list the wrongdoings caused by the implementation of Spirits outside of what they have done to Trophies. First off, obviously, we’ve got to talk about World of Light, which tried to replace Subspace Emissary from Brawl. WoL fails at this, spectacularly. Between the nonexistent story, the just short of nonexistent overworld puzzles, and the significant lack of levels in this mode, the only thing this “Story Mode” has, is repetitive gameplay that really isn’t fun on a first playthrough, let alone the subsequent ones me and my brothers play of Subspace Emissary from time to time. Next up, does anyone remember Events? Well, I always enjoyed playing through the events in each smash game whenever I couldn’t think of anything else to do. Some of the events were allowed to get really creative, changing even the most fundamental rules of the game to fit certain scenarios, where the Spirit Battles usually just amount to a bunch of checkboxes that, more often than not, are frustrating to deal with. And finally, custom equipment from Smash 4. This one is so easy to fix, just let us build Spirit Teams on the character select screen, when they’re enabled and, mainly for randomised Spirit Teams, let us see the Support Spirits used in any given player’s team setup. Being able to tie Spirit Teams to certain characters could be a fun way to recreate custom characters, without the need for Custom Specials as well, but I’ll admit that part is just wishful thinking. And no, I don’t mean Amiibo when I talk about tying Spirit Teams to characters, that already exists, and is one of the few uses for Spirits I think was actually handled decently well. As you might be able to tell, I don’t like Spirits very much, I think they’re one of the worst things to happen to the entire Smash Bros. series. Not the worst, that title goes to Smash 4 Beyonetta, but they’re certainly up there. If you actually read this far, thank you for listening to my opinion on something that really doesn’t matter in the slightest, and have a good rest of your day.
I respect those points, I'm not the biggest fan of WoL either, it's bland and far less self involved than Subspace was, there's literally only 5 cutscenes and they're all less than 2 minutes except for the true ending/credits. I loved Subspace because of the real platforming metroidvania levels in it while WoL has nothing other than random fights against characters that 70% of the time I have to look up who the hell they are, seriously, what the hell is a Quendan Cheerleaders. And the extra game modes being missing really blows, it's a miracle we even got Home Run Contest back (took an extra like 3 years but we still got it). Smash Run used to be my favorite thing to play on the 3ds version and is my favorite extra mode to date, just fun as hell to blaze through enemies and amass buffs before a final contest, which could be anything from a generic fight to a tower climb to a race to a stamina battle (call me cringe but stamina is actually my favorite of the three styles between time, stock, and stamina). One of the things I liked most was the custom moves, especially because of being able to take Ness and say "Damn, Lucas is kinda fun." since the 2nd version of all his specials are just Lucas' moves. They were fun to unlock and experiment with one like Ganon's Wizard's Dropkick or Mario's Bluster Cape. They made me enjoy characters I otherwise hated using like Peach and Diddy and made me enjoy characters like Little Mac and Samus a lot more than I already did. Would've loved to see them come back so characters like Simon and Doc aren't a dumpster fire.
I think it's worth mentioning that series such as Pokémon, Animal Crossing, Metroid, etc. doesn't get a brand new Stages While Mario and Zelda gets new stages, New Donk City Hall, and Great Plateau Tower. As a matter of fact, why newcomers like King K. Rool, or Incineroar didn't get their stages. Gangplank Galleon for K. Rool Alola Pokémon League for Incineroar
We probably didn't get a Gangplank Galleon stage because we already kinda have 2 pirate ship stages, the one from Wind Waker, and the TTYD/PM64 section of the Paper Mario stage, and they probably felt DK was very fine with its Melee stages getting remade As for the Alola Pokémon League stage, well... Alola's Pokémon League is just kinda ugly tbh xd, and it would've just been a repeat of either the two Pokemon Stadium stages or Kalos Pokémon League, and we already have Rock, Flying and Steel very covered in the aforementioned stages, with Fighting not offering much for an interesting stage different from the base form, and the Alolan Pokémon League also takes place in like an underground with crystals, which is something Spear Pillar already has too, so it hardly brings something new to the table tbh And Ultimate was already late to the party with all the Alola stuff because by the time the game released, we were already in Gen 8, which kinda sucks because a stage where giant Pokémon engage in Godzilla fights as you fight sounds cool, though Incineroar was a very good choice, even if unintentional, because Incineroar was a very prominent Pokémon in Gen 7 and 8's competitive scene, so much he had Gamefreak create and modify abilities to directly counter Incineroar's Intimidate ability, and he also follows Greninja in being the best starter of its generation, which also had its ability nerfed in Gen 9 xd
6:08 MAAAAAN I sent that in your earlier Twitter thread and you hit every problem on the head with the same argument I had, I was making my own video too LOL (and I'll still make it) Anyways great content as always! :D
The trophies just felt magical. Seeing a bunch of new custom models and even obscure art like for example bowsers trophy in melee uses promotional art from a nintendo power magazine. It was also cool seeing stuff like retro looking trophies and teasing of future releases in melee. And of course the descriptions which are super interesting to read and spent hours on. Plus, trophies just felt satisfying to collect, spirits are just “ok i have it now, next”
Pyra and Mythra's Core crystal shape would work as it was added to Alvis in definitive edition, and Future redeemed also has that shape having importance, so it would work for all of them.
If they used the one with the missing part it would also form an X in negative, so it Pyra/Mytra's core would call back to both the Zohar shape, and the X in Xeno. Even if I'm not a big fan of 2, I still think that would be the best call, I think the problem was just Pyra/Mythra being DLC, so they wouldn't have planned for them initially.
I hate that 80% of everything revolving around Sora’s portrayal is around Kingdom Hearts 1. The ground normals, the aerials, the specials, the MUSIC (which is one of the worst offenders). The Moveset in general is also kinda “meh” because it’s mostly just Keyblade swings; and generic magic attacks. Funnily enough the spells that could’ve actually been interesting are just taunts. I just expected a character that comes from a series to have 200 games to have a lot more complexity.
Oh boy, how are they gonna translate weird shit like Gravity magic into Soras moveset? it's in a taunt? Oh......and his three spells are mostly just concepts that exist in Smash as is? Cool :)
For Maria Renard, Richter saved her incidentally during his Castlevania game, Rondo of Blood. Her stage is like based on the crumbling undercroft of the castle in which you find her. Her Cucco starting item is based on her default attack, where she sends bird forwards to peck. Her subweapons are Chinese zodiac inspired, and include a few options as represented by the accompanying characters. Although no squirtle or bowser is a missed opportunity
11:26 This Yoshi stage was actually supposed to be a Kirby's Epic Yarn stage, but when the devs heard about a Yoshi game coming out that has to do with WOOL, they changed it
4:00 there are some spirits that even if you know the series the reference can still be really confusing. An example being Cuphead. I'm a big Cuphead fan and know almost everything about it but I still have no idea why his battle is like it is.
Cuphead's Spirit Battle references the 3 The Mausoleums where you obtained the 3 Super Arts for saving the Legendary Chalice (represent by Peach using Specials)
One thing I hate is the fact that despite Ultimate Coming out a few months after Warioware Gold, there's no representation of Lulu, not even a spirit of her, if I would imagine her as a spirit in Ultimate at its Launch, There'll be a Red Toon Link representing her Bow and Arrows and a Red Squirtle to represent her water gun, the Hydrocannon LX. Both npcs will most likely use their neutral specials and the stage would be Pokemon Stadium. Also it's a huge shame that Penny Crygor doesn't become a spirit alongside her song getting added sometime after Get it Together's release to help support it, but it didn't happen. Even worse of all is the lack of Wario Land Representation, it's just a shame in general that for Wario representation Warioware is mostly used to represent it.
@@egon3705 The Only reason why Wario Land was made is because Shigeru Miyamoto couldn't be involved in handheld Mario games so R and D 1 had to make Mario Land 1 and 2 instead. Even then R and D 1 run out of ideas so they created Wario make up for that. Now that technology has improved Nintendo no longer needs Wario Land, now that we have Mario Platformer handhelds. Nintendo does allow Wario Ware because that standouts from Mario. The good news is that there's a Wario inspired game coming out call Antonblast.
If I recall correctly, part of the reason Wooly World never really came back was because it was actually a last minute stage. The Smash team didn't have a lot of reference material to work with in Smash 4 which is why it's pretty basic. At least that's why I think so. As for stages like Orbital Assault Gate and Jungle Hijinxs, those didn't come back because the former took a year to make and remaking that one to match the visuals of every other stage probably would've been taxing, and the latter not coming back could probably be because it would be harder to implement that stage with the Stage Morph mechanic with some players being in the background and others in the foreground. Plus, if it did come back, imagine what they'd have to do about Steve's block mechanics when he's in the background
1:40 But you can't even do a double triple whopper intangible wavedance wavedash insta-KO as Fox ONLY on FD ONLY at 12.4% in Ultimate, like you can in Melee.
I concur, pal, spirit descriptions would've been so appreciated in Ultimate. Now I'll be looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts on Captain Falcon's Dad! Haha
I don't think spirits replaced trophies for dev time. More so due to card ridge size. Like the space they have for vanilla ultimate is literaly the size they had from smash 4 musics alone. Like. If spirits went the route of original sprites and artworks. Trophies could have been made for bigger characters. And then miniatures with the original model as sub trophies that would require much work. But that would be so heavy on the space required. That even just the amount of trophies from smash 4 would outweigh spirits after every addition. Probably time 2 or more tbh.
Spirits were absolutely amazing and evoked something in me, I haven't felt since my teens when Smash64 came out! Back then we were still kids.. we were playing games inside a game! ... like later on in Melee, Pikachu with the green hat taking the role of some drunken father and stuff like that lol And the way how Spirits tried to recreate different characters with "what you got" ticked all those boxes for me. I can totally see how they are sort of a downgrade from the trophies, but we can finally do something with all the stuff we collect aside from look at it and read some stuff (which can easily looked up nawadays... not so much back then) Also, having description for *that* many spirits also would have to get translated first which multiplies development cost by quite a bit with that many languages. I know they would absolutely have the money for that, but I'm pretty sure that game came with an agreed-on budget, which also had its limits.
I'm pretty sure the Final Fantasy logo is what it is because they weren't sure if they'd be adding another FF character besides from 7, so they kept it a bit ambiguous. But I do remember that once Sephiroth came out, they changed the series name in the game from FINAL FANTASY to FINAL FANTASY VII, which is where I get this idea from. They didn't know it would only be from 7 at the time of making it and weren't sure still coming into Ult, but it happened the way it did so now it looks weird.
I don't think I've seen Persona fans saying the arcana thingy should be the series logo, every time I've seen that discussed ended with a butterfly being the best pick to represent the series
Back before Joker was formally revealed (when it was only TGA take over) everyone assumed it would be Philemon's logo since that was an icon since the series started plus FF used the generic series logo and not the entry-specific meteor. I never once see anyone bring up the idea of a butterfly even though a very simple two-toned butterfly would perfectly showcase the entire conflict of the series
I do remember that Star Fox stage getting lots of hate so I assume that's why it's cut. Despite them returning Brawl's leaf and plant stage (not Pikmin) which got more hate
Useless Smash Fact: If you play in Pokémon Stadium, and use Camera Controls; the Jumbotron in the background will follow if you zoom in or zoom out or rotate the screen, which can make some trippy screenshots.
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It’s always weird hearing the ad reads where people say the word “keto” like im 90% the correct pronunciation is “key-toe” but i believe its Wolfie who says it as “kett-oh” and you here said it “kay-toe” which is even weirder lol. Also no, Yoshi is not made out of “the thing tennis balls are made out of” it’s felt. Very simple material. Want another example of felt? Here on youtube look up “Randy Feltface” he’s a comedian/puppet who is made out of, you guessed it, felt. And he’s also absolutely hilarious!
It's really easy to say it's not hard to write information on a spirit, but that takes a lot more work than you can imagine. The blurb of information would have to get approved by the IP holders and thr localization cost for thousands of spirits across multiple langage would be huge.
I'm suprised you didn't mention the Bayonetta series has a clearly defined logo that also represents her as a character but they chose a sillouette of her boob window to be the series icon instead. The real symbol even appears on her entrance animation and neutral b but instead the Icon looks like the symbol of islam
7:02 I personally would have really disliked a creeper face as the Minecraft series icon. Yes, it's iconic, but it doesn't represent Minecraft. The block, while simplified, is a perfect choice. 7:34 Even if all of the Final Fantasy content in Smash is from FF7, that shouldn't mean that the icon meant to represent the entire Final Fantasy series should have been the logo for FF7. Yes, it looks better, but it wouldn't make any sense, especially if we got some content from a different Final Fantasy game. 7:48 To be fair, the logo for the Phantom Thieves is a very good icon to represent the entire Persona series, since it is designed around the core game mechanic of the series, the personas.
Finally someone says something about the empty space on the stage selection screen. It would've been so cool to have 3 more returning stages just so we can have a complete box of stages like if it took 1 year to make Orbital Gate Assault why not reuse it? If bringing back 3 more stages was too much why not put the 3 random stage selections in that spot so we can a complete box instead of having an empty space. Also with the series logos why is the Fire Emblem series logo the Falchion and not the actual Fire Emblem
Because like 5 objects have taken the name Fire Emblem and when the series was added into Smash with just Marth and Roy they were two different things. Also Falchion has appeared in several title logos and the OVA so it was more prominent than any of the Emblems. And by the time another Emblem design would pick up any level of traction, namely Lehran's Medallion, the Falchion would already have been solidified with Smash
Alright, one thing, every one talks about the Crafted Yoshi alt being replaced with the Woolly World alt, I don't think that's really the problem. The problem is the way the Smash team rendered the felt design over Yoshi was poorly done, unlike in the game, and they used the basic green color, which makes it hard to tell from Yoshi's primary color. My solution is to either improve how the felt looks in Ultimate (get Good Feel to do it or smth), change Crafted Yoshi to orange or a color not represented yet, OR just give him one of the many costumes in the game. Crafted World is one of my favourite games and I'm gonna fight for it.
Yoshi has like zero interesting representation in this game, so completely replacing the alt from his _newest game_ , or worse, changing it for another Yoshi's Island reference with the black alt would be a really bad move for the fans of the franchise. Just make the CW alt look less ugly in Smash, it looks fantastic in Yoshi's origin game. Alternatively, if they're gonna for sure swap out the alt in the next game, throw in Kamek or Poochy into the roster, or maybe Sunshine Station or Kamek's Castle as stages from CW for compensation.
@@Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17 If anything, wouldn't the Black Yoshi be a Yoshi's Story reference instead of Yoshi's Island? At the very least use the Orange Yoshi from Mario Sunshine. Just, give me ANY color that isn't just a repeat of one already on the lineup. It's just lame, redundant, and not functional (alts are used to distinguish between players of the same character; the Crafted alt from a distance just looks like the default green alt).
@@extremmefan7305 You got to remember that Black Yoshi was came to Yoshi's Island first, and Black Yoshi was just a secret character in Yoshi's Story. Since Yoshi in Super Mario Sunshine isn't important, the main focus is Yoshi series only which have been the case since 64.
While I miss the descriptions, I definitely prefer spirits over trophies as all of them having their own battles is a better use of such a concept than just a 3D model and a description imo
@@Antonio-is2cn Spirit battles, with their sheer number and without the context of the trophy descriptions, might as well just be a weird battle mode where you fight random opponents with random modifiers.
One of my complaints on the spirits is that when they released new spirits like the bowsers fury one they didn’t even bother to reorganise it on the right section.
The Monado is fine. Pyra and Mythra's sword is a monado, just not the same one. And it represents the (SPOILERS) Trinity Processor, since it's a tool derived from Ontos/Alvis. The Trinity Processor is hugely important to all 3 games.
9:00 first of all spoiler warning for the Xenoblade Series i think most ppl are fine with it being the monado since when smash came out 3 wasnt out yet and 1 and 2 do have monado`s in them aka the aegis`s weapons aka a key to a supercomputer linked to an infinite energy source
The aegis core crystal would do very well to represent the Xenoblade series in the next game considering how all the Xeno games revolve around the power of the Conduit.
I always thought the reason Pokefloats, Jungle Hijinxs and Orbital Gate Assault couldn't come back was because getting them to work with stage morph would have been really difficult, though if they really wanted to bring them back i suppose they could have just excluded them from stage morph mode?
Tbh i think replacing trophies with spirits was the right call. I think very, VERY few people actually read the descriptions or liked to collect them, and i imagine all the text and 3d models took tons of time, money and space in the game, whereas spirits can actually affect gameplay. I know not many people liked it but, with world of lgiht and all, i think they add a lot more to the game, would take spirits over trophies any day. Also making busted spirit combos is so fun, giving DK max jump to grab opponents and launch them at the exosphere at 0 is really fun. Still for most people both are just NFTs or wtv
Yeah, even with the loss of the descriptions and 3d models I still prefer spirits in a gameplay sense given how many special matchups they made for the spirit fights, far better than the event lineup in any of the past games (especially Wii U's)
Frankly, I wouldn't have minded if the new alt for Yoshi was a Woolly World Yarn Yoshi. It has a distinct enough visual appearance that it wouldn't just look like normal yoshi with an ugly texture slapped on it, and plus, Woolly World was actually a pretty good game, so if they really wanted a costume with a distinct model for Yoshi, there, that's what it should've been.
@@zOOpygOOpert that's part of it (even though it is fair to add the most known protagonists), but every tloz fan can tell you that ganondorf got absolutely destroyed in smash, it got turned into a swordsman falcon clone even though in game he is not like that at all
There are a lot of minor nitpicks to be made about the stages ngl; I think Skyloft might be the only stage that's exempt of at least one, aside from "ew walkoff"/"ew travelling stage".
@@extremmefan7305 Hyrule Castle and Temple are iconic but the rest of the stages do represent the games as faithfully as possible right? The only complaint I'd think of is "Why wasn't it [other location from the game] instead?" But it doesn't sound compelling either
@@scoffeex1740 Let me list a few major ones: Spirit Train lacks the Tower of Spirits (the key dungeon you can literally see from anywhere in Spirit Track) at literally all points in its travel, Temple is actually a very generic location that only has basis in Zelda II in that it's the generic temple aesthetic but not really any specific one, Bridge of Eldin is a rather boring stage for how wild Twilight Princess locations can get... I'm friends with a huge Zelda nerd, so I see that kind of rants rather often.
I wonder if they scrapped the trophies because the large amount of text that would have to be translated. There are 11 languages and smash 4 had almost 700 trophies so its understandable they wouldn't want to spend so much development time on a non-gameplay feature. Sprites are only images and the text that is attached to them has already been done: the character''s name and the game they came from.
One thing that annoys me is that besides Sephiroth’s classic route and the WOL Boss Rush, there’s no easy way to refight the bosses, they could’ve made the fights accessible by the spirits menu, it would’ve made so much sense!
Also I wish the Miis were included in more of the side modes like Classic Mode and Smashdown
This is singlehandledly the worst part of the game fr, there's no convenient way to test any character against any of the bosses since they're stuck on routes in Classic Mode or after a long gauntlet as the 2nd phase of the final battle of WOL
@@kirbyofthestarsfan Plus playing as Master Hand! That should have been unlockable once beating it in WoL.
There is a boss rush at the end of Wol
But before getting to play that you need to do a boring climbing section and you have to actually beat Wol
@@bingoviini I actually never beat World of Light so I didn’t know that that was replayable
Not being able to replay the Master Hand fight where you actually control Master Hand is the worst part imo. It's right at the end of the game so you have to play through the ENTIRETY of WOL again just to play as Master Hand again one time.
12:28 probably a big reason why Poke Floats never returned it's because the japanese audience doesn't remember it as a floats stage
It was just called Pokemon Subspace, and was just some abstract space with random Pokemon models, I don't think it got as much popularity in its native country compared to the west
Oh that’s interesting if true, I just thought it was that it couldn’t fit 8 players but they wanted all stages to support 8-player Smash (until they put in the stage builder)
@@happypasta6 Poke Floats would't work now a-days, because some characters are not great at platforming. Incineroar, and Little Mac Im looking at you.
@@orangeslash1667 that's the punishment for playing little Mac and incinceroar
@@TheAnimationStationTAS I feel like it's wrong for incinceroar who represents Pokemon, to not do well in a Pokemon stage. That's like Banjo not doing well in Spiral Mountain.
It made sense back then because Mewtwo, Pikachu, and Jiggly Puff are good at platforming.
@@orangeslash1667Melee had higher gravity which made platforming as a whole a lot harder plus half the stage has you descent rather than climb.
I personally think Rainbow Cruise is harder for platformers
4:46 The text was a big factor in why the trophies got removed too though
You're forgetting the game is multi-language, and this amount of text just multiplies absolutely everything that has to be translated per team with all the language options, so the text being removed is a big part on saving development time, it'd have been like 1000+ pieces of text to proofread
Considering PJiggles perfect example on Reyn, it would probably be easier than you imagine. Sure, it would be more time, but it would also be worth it, considering that Smash Bros. not only wants you to experience your favorite characters crossing over but also find out about new characters.
Also, programmers wouldn't write those texts. They would probably hire "lorepeople" or something like that who would know or research those characters and write matching descriptions. The biggest issue for the development team itself would be to asign texts and a "game of origin" label to spirits which is probably done in under an hour by the average programmer.
And not only the text must be translated, but must also be properly localized, which is specially harder if an specific franchise already had problems with the localization like characters having different names per game, and some names also MUST be changed because it can mean something bad in another language, like Manuela from FE3H in Spanish, since Manuela is a funny way for us to refer to masturbation, and imagine having to do that for games those were not localized in the first place.
@@italolxd3128 Text can be easily programmed in, what is depicted in the texts however, is a matter of quality assurance
And across roughly 14 languages, multiply that for 1100+ pieces.. do the math of how much that'd balloon the development alone
@@kirbyofthestarsfan Not that I underestimate the work here, but I think it would be worth it and also realizable for the third most selling title on the Switch.
Honestly, I get it, but I don't care.
Telling people about series (or even just games or characters) they might not know about is very much inline with being a crossover, especially when including so many relatively obscure series and spinoffs.
Fights leave you guessing way too much, and are just not entertaining past the first time. If anything they feel like a chore. Having descriptions you can just read in your spare, more chill time would add so much.
The main problem arises from accuracy and localization, both of which having ways to work around it. Especially from one of Nintendo's most high budget titles.
If they wanted me to care about ARMS, the least they could do was tell me what each character is like, not just ambiguously show me something that I can far more easily misinterpret.
It's hilarious. That Maria fight is a great reference to her being playable in Dracula X, but like you say, if you don't know that she attacks with birds and has a variety of animals to call upon as subweapons, the fight makes no sense.
You mean Rondo of Blood? She's not playable in DX
@@gv82089 they mean Dracula X.
@@YounesLayachi Imagine writing a reply that makes sense.
@@gv82089 Demon Casle Dracula X: Rondo of Blood is the full Japanese title of the game, and the PSP remake is titled Dracula X Chronicles. So saying Dracula X, while not common, would be accurate.
I thought it was rondo of blood
Trophies were such a shame to lose imo. It's a very minor thing but it gave an opportunity for characters that likely never would have got a 3D model. Imagine if Geno got a trophy in Ultimate, it would be his first 3D model ever and it'd be really cool. Losing out on the great trophy descriptions also sucks.
I am still salty that Viridi's only a 3DS trophy model for that reason. My girl could've had a cool HD model yet they shot down that idea twice now.
Didn't SMRPG use 3D models that were then rendered into sprites with the models themselves being on the box art and manual?
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Well, yea that's true, but the models are only available as basically PNGs as far as we know. Fair correction though, I should not have said it'd be his "first ever" model. If Smash brought back trophies and Geno got a trophy, we would have a viewable (and readily available for importing) model that can be turned all around and stuff. Again its a very minor thing but it'd be really cool to get in my opinion
@@extremmefan7305 Wait, doesn't Viridi have a 3D Model for the background 1 the reset bomb stage?
@@TheGamersState Yes, and it's ALSO incredibly low poly, since it's on the 3DS as a mere background object.
In Ultimate it's kinda better because it's higher definition, but that model is still kind of awkward to use since it's literally just the top of her body, rather than a full model.
If they wanted to do a cool design for Yoshi for his 8th alt. WOOLLY WORLD YOSHI WAS RIGHT THERE!!!
AND IT WOULD LOOK 4K™️ LIKE THE SUBSTITUTE PLUSHIE
I think they replaced black Yoshi with him due to SML having a black Yoshi plush act like a stereotypical black person
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Some unfunny TH-cam channel is not going to have that great of an effect.
@@theonlybilge Tbf to the idea that channel was the reason, while I don't necessarily agree with the theory, the channel did get enough attention to reach Nintendo's legal team, which most channels that make similar content don't, they singled out SML because of how edgy it was and how it was ruining their brand (to my memory of how things went down)
Or birdo
14:52 This actually IS my biggest issue with Ultimate. Not only does it ruin the perfect rectangle we had after Sora, but the event that added him happened after both the last DLC and after they announced they would start repeating Spirit and Tourney events, suggesting we could still get new spirits in the future… and then they just didn’t do anything else.
I find it funny how it is just "Evil Ryu"...as if he did it out of pettiness or something, lmao
@Isabella Catrail Ventura yeah having the perfect square get randomly ruined by EVIL RYU is funny enough that I'll let it slide
@Ballistic Boo yeah
The Evil Ryu + Spirit Event was for the Street Fighter series' 35th Anniversary
feel better now?
I said it on the last video and I'll say it again.
I hate that Bowser and the DK reps get generic animal noises instead of their actual voices from their home series.
Sakurai seems to have a specific vision, and to me it's like if he doesn't like something, it has to go. Like, why doesn't Olimar have a voice? He can speak. Why doesn't Isabelle have a voice? She can also speak. Sometimes I do think it's for the better, like how he wanted Banjo and Steve to be their classic designs and not based on later entries.
@@Liggliluff and how he (supposedly, and i don't have a source for it so im not really sure its true)
said to namco that if they didn't have pac-man use his Pac-Man World design he wouldn't even PUT HIM IN.
based move right there
well it'd be troublesome to make a whole voiceset for Koopa because... isn't he just Totakeke laughing, slowed way down? and the same laugh sped up is the Teresa?
and I thought DK WAS using his actual voice from his game.
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Well Olimar/Alph just make unintelligible noises with Isabelle her voice it's just a "text moving sound effect"
It's especially weird because Bowser JR. has his in-game voice, but not his dad.
On the Xenoblade Icon, I'd argue that the Aegis core is actually a pretty good choice.
Keep in mind, ever since the remake, that core is also directly tied to a story-relevant character in XC1, and it represents the driving force behind the settings of all 3 games... existing, that being the Conduit.
This specific shape appears in every Xeno game, not just Xenoblade, and also plays into the many references to christianity scattered throughout the games.
Technically the monado is also in every xenoblade game
2 dlc
3 skin for a class
X mini versions that are hair clips
@@Nelsito99 Yeah but it's not really playing a role for the setting or story, that's just the series referencing itself.
Now that you remind me of it, if we happened to get a Xenosaga or a Xenogears character would it have to use the core logo? Which could be confusing for non fans since those are different series even if they are connected and share the same Xeno part.
@@juanrodriguez9971 I'd say they're far enough removed to give them their own logo. The DK characters also have their own logo despite being part of the larger Mario franchise.
@Nelsito99 there's also the fake Monado part of some Nopon quest in X
9:00 the shape of the core crystal is the same shape as "the conduit" which plays a major role in the plot of both games, so it would make sense to have it as the universal logo for Xeno reps
and the third too.
and uh, well I could say more, but spoilers..
Honestly one of my biggest complaints about ultimate is how they decided to change normal link to BoTW link, but they changed only like two things. I had so many cool ideas for what his new moveset could be and the only interesting thing he got was remote bombs. like what if they moved the spin attack (and possibly give it urbosa's fury if charged long enough) to down smash and made up special revail's gale with the paraglider , and make it when you block you can have daruk's protection to reflect projectiles with a timer on using it again. and if they wanted to use all of the champion abilities they could have done something like once per match after you reach a certain percent mipha's grace heals you for like 15 percent. i mean they went to the effort of making some changes to link to make him stand out from the other links, so why not go all the way?
the final smash being an ancient arrow was fitting but im just imagining a short range stasis attack where if someone stood in front of you within that range theyd get stasised and then you could build up momentum to launch them
Sakurai doesn’t want the characters movesets to be too different from how they started, as to not put off older players. People keep asking for characters to be given entirely new movesets but forget about this.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 but thats pointless if theres other characters with the same moveset, or if one of them has significantly changed in design (lets be honest. botw link is NOT oot link.)
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 I'm sorry but as much as I love Sakurai, this logic of his is so flawed.
Not only do we literally have 3 Link's all with a moveset reminiscent of all past games but he had no problem with changing stuff like Mario's Down-B, Wario's Dash Attack AND Forward Smash, Sheik and Zero Suit Samus's Down B's, and Kirby's Dash Attack.
If anyone in Smash deserves a complete moveset remake, it's Link.
@The Gamers State *Sonic has entered the chat*
The most annoying thing is that when playing with friends, you have to keep picking your character again, since the first one it keeps the character already selected and you can go right into another match.
**Casually drops litterally everything just to watch PJiggles’ new video**
Yes.
Your pants?
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Same lol
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4:15 Maria Renard is from Castlevania Rondo of Blood, the Japan exclusive PC Engine game that Richer comes from. She's an unlockable playable character that uses animals she can talk with to attack with instead of Richter's standard Belmont Arsenal. Both characters can use Super Attacks to screen nuke everything, hence the Cuccos, and she's one of four kidnapped maidens in Rondo of Blood, hence Zelda, and the Reset Bomb Forest because it's vaguely castle themed without being Dracula's Main Place.
About the maria spirit battle, shes represented by zelda because of their similar appearance, and the characters in her spirit battle reference her sub weapons in castlevania rondo of blood and sotn: a falcon, dragon, and tiger
Spongebob episodes be goofy as hell until a frame like this pops up 10:45
(2:25) Actually, several models were just ripped straight from games, with the exact same model and textures, just posed. So while it was still some additional time, they didn't make new models for every trophy.
Ways they could include the other stages:
- Jungle Highjinx - as part of this stage, it can have the whole foreground and background fall apart forcing the players to one or the other side. If a stage morph is about to happen, force the players to the foreground.
- Pac-Maze - have the player who eats their power pellet glow. Then if they are the closest player to a given ghost, have that ghost appear as blue. For online play, only consider the players locally on your console. It's not a perfect solution, but it's something.
yeah I would have dug if, similar to omega forms, they had "not infuriating" forms for the very mobile stages. Then they could be included, since I mean, the assets exist already, just need their textures upscaled.. could even include all the other other maps from past games that aren't usually stages, I mean literally why not? Just like why didn't they include all past bosses since their animations and programming is already finished.
The problem with Trophies never was the models; they were taken from other parts of the game, or even from different games entirely.
The ReAL problem were the descriptions. Having to write descriptions for 700+ characters was already a daunting task, but then they had to translate them to the other 11 languages Smash is available on
To be honest, I think most players wouldn't have minded if they reused descriptions from the 4 previous games. Pokemon does this with Pokedex entries.
Note that it will be 14 localisations, because English, Spanish and French has to be written from an American and a European perspective each, depending on what things they include. Spelling, grammar, wording, game titles, references, it would change.
@@josefdelaville4638 But they'd have to run them past all the new censorship boards they're under. Some of that content could raise the rating since we apparently let radical islam take over videogames at some point.
@@KairuHakubi Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
For the models, some of them were original creations, while most were just ported from somewhere else. e.g., the Mega Man trophies in Smash 4 used new models, but the Punch Out!! trophies in Smash 4 reused the Punch Out!! (Wii) models. I'm going to guess that most of the models are ports/reused, but even then, posing and optimizing them is a big undertaking. Though with all that said, simply giving descriptions to all the spirits would've run into issues regardless, like some of the ones you mentioned. The spirits already have weird rules around them (e.g., all the base game Pokémon spirits use the Global Link art aside from Detective Pikachu, and no human characters are featured), so I imagine writing descriptions would make things even more complicated on that front. Who knows how much help the copyright holders give in terms of lore/descriptions too, since Smash has had incorrect trophy descriptions in the past.
I'd argue that the Monado is still a good series logo for Xenoblade as a series. The series is called XenoBLADE Chronicles, and there's always some mystery behind the blades in (as far as I know because I haven't played 3 yet) all the games, Xenoblade X notwithstanding.
The logo being the first major blade in the series to be introduced makes sense...
SPOILERS FOR THE XENOBLADE SERIES AS A WHOLE
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...(and it's not like it doesn't technically connect to the other games in the series as well).
Also the monado has made an appearance in every xenoblade game including x
1: Shulk's weapon
2: dlc
3: amiibo or completion (unknown if 1 save data is needed or not)
X: very small versions as hair clips
@@Nelsito99Also, the Aegis swords are basically Monados (heck even Malos calls it Monado), and Lucky Seven/Sword of Origin/Sword of the End are pretty much man-made Monados forged from an alloy of metal from the two worlds (if that doesn't meet the criteria for you, Ontos wields it in the DLC as well)
The Monado itself even appears in all three games through Shulk's appearance in Xenoblade 2, it's skin in xenoblade 3 and,
spoilers for 2 and 3 ahead:
Malos' Monado in 2, the Monado Rex appearing in Xenoblade 3's eplilogue and then appearing alongside Shulk in it's dlc and Alpha wielding the Monado I as his weapon, with A's weapon also being called the Monado, though is in a less recognizable form
@@kuks0453 please hide some of the spoilery stuff as to not ruin it for others that might want to play the game
There's no "chronicles" in the series or any of the game's names
12:50 Orbital Gate didn't have exactly the best reception among players despite the cool visuals, because that layout was just super awkward and unstable to fight on
Shame it didn't return but despite all the effort put into it they probably knew it wasn't very popular and unstable for Stage Morph
Stage Morph is probably why we didn't get Pokefloats and Wolly World back too.
Still cannot fathom a reason as to why Rainbow Road didn't return though, it wouldve worked fine with stage morph.
@@Inky.64 Same, would trade the very underwhelming 3D Land stage for Rainbow Road any day, it just feels wrong having so many songs for it but not being present here
@@Inky.64 rainbow road is far too iconic to not include in smash honestly
12:35 This small edit just makes me feel good. The three black spaces in the game feels so empty which is nitpick of the century but just....look at how good it looks filled in.
About the Evil Ryu spirit complaint, I remember someone else talk about it and said that the only reason they didn't mind it was because the spirit who threw of the cosmos was... EVIL RYU?!?!?!?!?!
I believe that was Odyssey Central who brought that up
@@pvzmariosonica8fan oh yeah, that's correct
Makes him feel like the pettiest villain ever. He's literally just a recolor too
In defense of spirits not having written descriptions, there are a LOT of spirits in Smash Ultimate - and like you said, one would be hard-pressed to find someone who is familiar with *every* franchise in Ultimate well enough to write a description for not only every major one, but every minor/obscure spirit in every franchise. Of course a game like Smash would have multiple writers, but even still, I suspect that a lot of the time spent making those descriptions would have to be spent researching, or even talking directly to the games writers FROM those many franchises.
As someone who's done games writing in the past, there's a ton that goes into it, and especially for a massive crossover game like this, pretty much every entry would have to be cross-checked with the lore bibles (or the next-best thing) of every single franchise to make sure that characters and lore aren't being misrepresented. Never mind the fact that they'd probably want to avoid things like spoilers (though I know Smash hasn't always done well with that, re: Fiora), and that might make some descriptions tricky. What do you put for the Spirit of, say, Balder from Bayonetta? Do you say that he's her father, a spoiler for Bayo 1? Do you say that he's actually heroic and trying to help her, but eventually loses his way, a spoiler for Bayo 2? If not, what do you actually say about him? Because ignoring those two things leaves you with "he's the enigmatic bad guy from bayonetta 1 and totally isn't in bayonetta 2 just younger and wearing a mask ha ha ha" and that really complicates things.
I think it would've been rad to have full descriptions of every Spirit, and I'm sad that Spirits were ultimately rendered as boring as they were, but speaking from what little experience I have with games writing, I can easily imagine a group of 5 people having to spend several months of development time on just those descriptions *alone*, and with the way that the gaming industry treats its writers... yeah.
Oh also don't forget that every DLC fighter ALSO brought over many, many spirits, which would all need their own descriptions, and it's not like the original dev team could have hired people for their knowledge on the lore of intended DLC fighters, sooooo....
That comment about how the gaming industry treats its writers feels especially poignant with the WGA strike
Also, needing all that text then also to be translated into every language available, and it could just blow up the size of the game, just because of text.
TL;DR on Maria Renard: she's originally from Richter's debut game Rondo of Blood (with a few more subsequent appearances) and the "animal friend" assists she has in her Spirit battle represent the Four Guardian Beasts of Chinese mythology that she can call on for some reason.
She calls on them because she's a magical rookie vampire hunter (whip pun not intended) iirc.
@@extremmefan7305 She also appears in Portrait of Ruin, called Richter mode.
In regards to pjiggles biggest gripe with Ultimate, I was really bummed when it was revealed Skull Kid was an assist trophy again. Seriously hoped he’d be a fighter this time around
3:25 and I on the other hand love the Metal Gear Solid franchise, but I had no idea until now that Snake speaks 6 different lenguages 🤷🏻♂️
Really?
MGS4 has a codec call (I believe forced but could be wrong) where Otacon explicitly says "right, fluent in six languages, huh" in Act 2 when Snake reads a billboard for the local PMC
@@velvetbutterfly I played that game a bunch of times back in the day, but there was quite a lot of cinematic scenes and codec calls in MGS4, so I guess it's normal that I don't remember some bits of information
"This stage took 1 year to make"
Pjiggles: Then why wouldn't they port it?
I'm gonna say that one of the things that bothers me the most is Link(s)
The three comes for three diferent games in theme, art direction, narrative and still their game style is too identical, the difference is very small, just like Mario and Dr. Mario
Why they didn't get the Roy treatment: Starting as a clone but slowly becoming their own selves even if you recognice their origin, like come on, you have the inspiration and besides Young Link tje rest of the characters where in at least two smash entries.
I feel like Zelda really could use another rep. It's one of Nintendo's biggest franchises but it really hasn't had a new character (besides another link clone) since melee.
My biggest gripe with the Links is specifically Young Link's final smash being the same as Toon Link's.
Like come on, if they wanted every Zelda character to represent a different game, they could've at least given Young Link a final smash relating to something Majora's Mask related. Fierce Deity was RIGHT THERE and they could've used that in some cool way
@@alexanderackerman3807 I think Nintendo and Sakurai are really bias towards 2d series, because their so easy to transfer well in Smash. Thats why Pokemon and Fire Emblem get top billing, they're more 2d than 3d. Where as Zelda is more 3d than 2d.
Which explains why there is more Fire Emblem than Zelda in Smash. Yes Zelda is more popular, but when transferring characters thats the least important.
One annoyance I have with Ultimate is the inconsistencies with censorship.
For example: Pyras non-fighter spirit isn’t censored but the playable and her fighter spirit are. There’s other spirits depicting characters in revealing clothing but some who should be arnt
To be fair, that could be less Ultimate's fault, and more censorship rules in general being inconsistant. I'm sure you can find plenty in other things, games and otherwise.
@@ShyRanger Sakurai also didn't have Mai from KOF appear because her outfit is too revealing for an E10+ game
@@liammcnicholas918 Which is again, mostly an issue from Japan of all things. They're certainly a weird country.
I believe it was because at some point the ESRB updated its policies to be more strict, to the point that if a game with a higher rating is mentioned in promotional material of a lower rated one, the latter's rating will be raised to match the former's. That's why we ended up with Mii Costume trailers saying something like "Super Smash Bros. Ultimate × Dante" instead of "Super Smash Bros. Ultimate × Devil May Cry". So yeah, even mentioning a M-rated game in an ad can warrant you a M rating.
This was done after Joker's release so that's why his trailer still has the Persona 5 logo. And it doesn't affect content released before the update so that's probably also the reason why they didn't update Pyra's spirit from the base game (her outfit isn't as revealing as Mythra's, who did have to be censored from the start).
I believe this update could seriously affect the chance of characters like Snake returning or Doom Slayer becoming playable as Nintendo wouldn't have an easy way to promote their respective franchises without being forced to raise their family-friendly game's age rating to a point where almost no one will buy it.
PD: forgot to mention it can also be CERO's fault, since they are the Japanese equivalent of the ESRB known for being even more strict (Palutena was almost not going to make it to Sm4sh because her outfit was a bit too revealing).
I'm one of the 3 people in the world who actually really likes the Yoshi's Crafted World alternate costume and I use it a lot, though it really could have been better, and black Yoshi should absolutely not have been cut for it. Honestly when it was first revealed, I thought all the Yoshi colors would stay and that either crafted Yoshi would be a 9th alt, or that every single color would get their own crafted alt, similar to Little Mac and his wireframe alts in Smash 4.
I also like the Yoshi's Crafted World Alt
I guess that makes me the last one of the 3
@@TonyHdzV Holy dang we found the trinity
@@YosherYoshi *fancy square cuz of me
I kinda like it but use it mostly because it pisses my brother off
I have to say, with the spirits thing... THANK YOU! Seriously, you hit the nail on the head when it came trophies in the original. It was nice to just read the descriptions of characters from different series. Funnily enough reading Ness' description in 64 made me want to try earthbound. Sure you can just look up the character, but I doubt you're going to boot up your PC just to find one character from that one obscure game, from that one series, you barely know anything about.
I wanna say, they probably had FF as the Final Fantasy 7 symbol because, if I recall, it was never initially planned to only be FF7 in the game. I think before Cloud was finalized, several other characters from the series were considered. And there's nothing to say Ultimate wouldn't have possibly added other FF series content at some point. I mean, we did get Sephiroth, but you know what I mean
While I'd really appreciate having Tifa in Smash, I think they need to chill out a bit with FF7 content in Smash
@Liam McNicholas I dunno it just kinda feels like they should just out Tifa in there since adding someone from a different game would feel jarring at this point lol
He only came with 2 songs when Cloud got in the game but thanks to Sephiroth's inclusion FINAL FANTASY 7 got more songs another stage spirits and FINAL FANTASY 7 Mii costumes
I still think Lightning or Noctis would have fit Smash better and while 7 is globally immensely popular, if it's only 7 content the logo does feel boring. If there was any other songs or anything I'd love it
There are a few references to other FF games as well, like the Chocobo Mii hat referencing its design from the Chocobo Mystery Dungeon games.
It's funny how almost every company in the world is spending ludicrous amounts of money to put advertising in every place possible but Nintendo removed trophies from smash even though they were amazing advertising that fans actually liked and engaged with. Even if Nintendo just used the exact same 3D models with the exact same text and added no new trophies people would have still loved the feature.
I think Pneuma's core actually fits the Xenoblade series perfectly, given that The Conduit features the exact same shape and they also changed Alvis' (I think thats his name, the dude that teaches you how to use that one art in the forest that's good for fighting Telethia. It's been a while...) pendant from a random key that is never used to a charm of the same shape in XB1 Definitive. I haven't played or seen literally anything of Xenoblade 3 yet but I'm more than willing to bet The Conduit plays an equally large role in that game as well.
2:56 don’t you ever scare me saying magical vacation is boring 🥺, that series means the whole world to me. But yeah, spirits are kinda a letdown, those descriptions would’ve helped. At least it’s fun to fight them without spirits. They are certainly a challenge. Great video buddy.
Never even heard of it mate. Might check It out just because of you.
Whilst I like that they made Spirits an optional part of the game, the problem is that very few people use Spirits in battle, especially Online. I use Spirits because of all the customization options but its a pity that the Trophy replacement is barely used by (in my opinion) a large chunk of players.
I'm happy if they keep Spirits, I just hope they add small descriptions for them and put a little more effort into them.
14:52 I love this because when scrolling through the spirits one by one you get whiplashed by the complete contrast to this character's design and then just Mario.. Really shows the beauty of smash bros
I always felt that a stylized FF for Terry would've made more sense since it would stand for Fatal Fury. I do like the Star logo though.
5:20, "Learning is something us humans naturally enjoy." At least when it's not forced legally.
The series icon for xenoblade could be the trinityprocessor or the conduit since they are connected to all the xenoblade games and being the whole reason why xenoblade 1 and 2 are connected and the whole reason the xenoblade universe exists
My gripe about spirits are that some spirits can evolve into way stronger spirits when maxed, but there are also some spirits that would have made a lot of sense if they could be evolved. My prime example here is the Riku spirit, where it could have been an evolvable spirit where he could have been inside his darkmode outfit, but nope. He's stuck in his destiny islands outfit
07:34 well. It make sense if you think what logo will they use when a (or some) FF character(s) is added to a SSB game or/and DLC(s) some is not from FF7. A good idea for the future.
And then you have Joker from Persona 5, which has an logo that's only representative of Persona 5 (that being the Phantom Thieves logo).
I mean, at least Pichu was schmoovin bopping his head. 14:02
It will never baffle me that they choose to make the icon for fe marths falchion despite the physical fire emblem appearing in more games than it and being a more distinct shape for an icon.
The Fire Emblem changes a lot though.
It's not only the Shield of Flames, but it's a gem in Roy's Sword, it's Lehran's Medallion, it's a chainsaw sword, it's a magical bloodline power.
@@velvetbutterfly but the shield of flames is still used more than Marths falchion in mainline games and is literally the series namesake. Besides the other versions just wouldn’t work all that well as the series symbol (other than the crest of flames but that’s only in 3h.)
@@banbanthebandit4002 okay but look at the history.
When FE joined Smash, it was just Marth and Roy, neither was out of Japan yet, their Emblems were vastly different but they were noteworthy for being pure sword fighters, Link used other tools, and the title screens for both their games/boxes featured swords prominently. It made sense to go with a symbol that represented both especially with Roy being promotional.
Then when Brawl came, Ike replaced Roy and was the only one to be known by the west.
Lehran's Medallion could have been a fine insignia I think, but that would overshadow Marth who is the face of the franchise in Japan, so once again the sword makes sense.
I feel like it's worth noting now how iconic the FE3 design of the sword is and how the OVA played a part in that due to it being the sword design used despite Marth's actual outfits changing. (Also, the OVA aired in the west too, making the Falchion more known than the titular Fire Emblem at the time of Melee even if NoA didn't have immense say during this era)
It wouldn't be until 4 when people would have had a chance to see the Shield of Flames with 11 and 13.
11 being such a low selling game that the series was going to end if 13 didn't meet a certain quota.
And by this point, a lot of people got the idea of legacy in their heads. That things that have been there from the beginning simply could not and would not be changed or removed.
Ness was there since 64, they knew Ness would be in even though he never got revealed before launch.
So at this point, changing to Crest of Flames was something no one would want.
And lastly for Ultimate, DLC shouldn't be considered for a franchise logo.
Yes, 3H was one of the most requested games to have a character from. But if Byleth isn't in the base roster it makes zero sense for their logo to be used for everyone that was.
You also had Snake changing logos for legal reasons.
So options for FE Logo boil down to Falchion (3 characters and legacy icon that suited most of the games)
Lehran's Medallion (1 character that sold poorly)
Shield of Flames (4 characters, is suited to only those 4 but still acts as face of the franchise)
Mark of Grima (people suggested this due to Robin's reveal and focus, cool design, unique, doesn't really fit anyone but sold super well)
And something from Fates, be it Yato (just Falchion but new) or Azura's pendant. Either way only applies to one character and while I think it'd look like a nice design, wouldn't fit better than any of the above.
While I can respect each idea, and it'd be cool if each character/game had their own icon instead of the franchise as a whole, Falchion was just by far the most appropriate pick for each game
Maria Reinard one is probably a reference for the PC-Engine Rondo of Blood where she was playable, and Symphony of the Night for Saturn/PSP, where she was also playbale, the birds where her main form of attack on Rondo of Blood, hence why the cucko, and the other cpus assisting her are because of her playstyle in Symphony of the Night and her item crashes in Rondo of Blood, where she could summon a dragon, a tiger and other 2 mystical animals.
The Monado actually does make sense for the Xenoblade series logo, since it still has some sort of appearance in every game. Hair clips in Xenoblade X, the weapon Malos uses in 2, etc
fun fact in moray towers stage the cat in the backround will show a flag and the color of the flag will show
who is in the lead player 2 is blue player 1 is red player 3 is yellow so on so forth
13:06 I always thought it was cut because it couldn’t support 8 players
9:38 I feel like the trinity processor or just a flat core crystal could also work pretty well though there's not really any way of getting around that without confusing people who haven't finished the games. Neat reference for fans though.
regarding botw link, the final smash being an ancient arrow was fitting, but im just imagining a short range stasis attack, where if someone stood in front of you within that range, theyd get stasised and then you could build up momentum to launch them. fits with stasis launching stuff and smash being about launching opponents into the air
8:28 I've not heard anyone ask for this to be the Persona series icon over the Phantom Thieves Logo. If anything, I've heard people ask for it to be based on Jack Frost, since it's for all intents and purposes the most recurring entity in Atlus' games as well as its mascot. I personally think it would be a good thing to change it to in the event of a future smash game bringing in representation from other series under Atlus' catalog, such as Shin Megami Tensei (mainline) or its spinoffs, such as Raidou Kuzunoha or even other Persona protagonists
I think it's a pretty neat idea, but jack frost holds no representation to any of persona's themes or story. It's like saying Temmie should be the logo for Undertale.
On the topic of Spirits in Smash Ultimate, they actually replace more than just Trophies, and fail at replicating the fun of each and every one of them. So, I am going to list the wrongdoings caused by the implementation of Spirits outside of what they have done to Trophies.
First off, obviously, we’ve got to talk about World of Light, which tried to replace Subspace Emissary from Brawl. WoL fails at this, spectacularly. Between the nonexistent story, the just short of nonexistent overworld puzzles, and the significant lack of levels in this mode, the only thing this “Story Mode” has, is repetitive gameplay that really isn’t fun on a first playthrough, let alone the subsequent ones me and my brothers play of Subspace Emissary from time to time.
Next up, does anyone remember Events? Well, I always enjoyed playing through the events in each smash game whenever I couldn’t think of anything else to do. Some of the events were allowed to get really creative, changing even the most fundamental rules of the game to fit certain scenarios, where the Spirit Battles usually just amount to a bunch of checkboxes that, more often than not, are frustrating to deal with.
And finally, custom equipment from Smash 4. This one is so easy to fix, just let us build Spirit Teams on the character select screen, when they’re enabled and, mainly for randomised Spirit Teams, let us see the Support Spirits used in any given player’s team setup. Being able to tie Spirit Teams to certain characters could be a fun way to recreate custom characters, without the need for Custom Specials as well, but I’ll admit that part is just wishful thinking. And no, I don’t mean Amiibo when I talk about tying Spirit Teams to characters, that already exists, and is one of the few uses for Spirits I think was actually handled decently well.
As you might be able to tell, I don’t like Spirits very much, I think they’re one of the worst things to happen to the entire Smash Bros. series. Not the worst, that title goes to Smash 4 Beyonetta, but they’re certainly up there.
If you actually read this far, thank you for listening to my opinion on something that really doesn’t matter in the slightest, and have a good rest of your day.
I respect those points, I'm not the biggest fan of WoL either, it's bland and far less self involved than Subspace was, there's literally only 5 cutscenes and they're all less than 2 minutes except for the true ending/credits. I loved Subspace because of the real platforming metroidvania levels in it while WoL has nothing other than random fights against characters that 70% of the time I have to look up who the hell they are, seriously, what the hell is a Quendan Cheerleaders.
And the extra game modes being missing really blows, it's a miracle we even got Home Run Contest back (took an extra like 3 years but we still got it). Smash Run used to be my favorite thing to play on the 3ds version and is my favorite extra mode to date, just fun as hell to blaze through enemies and amass buffs before a final contest, which could be anything from a generic fight to a tower climb to a race to a stamina battle (call me cringe but stamina is actually my favorite of the three styles between time, stock, and stamina).
One of the things I liked most was the custom moves, especially because of being able to take Ness and say "Damn, Lucas is kinda fun." since the 2nd version of all his specials are just Lucas' moves. They were fun to unlock and experiment with one like Ganon's Wizard's Dropkick or Mario's Bluster Cape. They made me enjoy characters I otherwise hated using like Peach and Diddy and made me enjoy characters like Little Mac and Samus a lot more than I already did. Would've loved to see them come back so characters like Simon and Doc aren't a dumpster fire.
Remember, the story was cut because that was the only way to afford to bring back the entire roster and the roster was the focus of Ultimate.
I think it's worth mentioning that series such as Pokémon, Animal Crossing, Metroid, etc. doesn't get a brand new Stages
While Mario and Zelda gets new stages, New Donk City Hall, and Great Plateau Tower.
As a matter of fact, why newcomers like King K. Rool, or Incineroar didn't get their stages.
Gangplank Galleon for K. Rool
Alola Pokémon League for Incineroar
We probably didn't get a Gangplank Galleon stage because we already kinda have 2 pirate ship stages, the one from Wind Waker, and the TTYD/PM64 section of the Paper Mario stage, and they probably felt DK was very fine with its Melee stages getting remade
As for the Alola Pokémon League stage, well... Alola's Pokémon League is just kinda ugly tbh xd, and it would've just been a repeat of either the two Pokemon Stadium stages or Kalos Pokémon League, and we already have Rock, Flying and Steel very covered in the aforementioned stages, with Fighting not offering much for an interesting stage different from the base form, and the Alolan Pokémon League also takes place in like an underground with crystals, which is something Spear Pillar already has too, so it hardly brings something new to the table tbh
And Ultimate was already late to the party with all the Alola stuff because by the time the game released, we were already in Gen 8, which kinda sucks because a stage where giant Pokémon engage in Godzilla fights as you fight sounds cool, though Incineroar was a very good choice, even if unintentional, because Incineroar was a very prominent Pokémon in Gen 7 and 8's competitive scene, so much he had Gamefreak create and modify abilities to directly counter Incineroar's Intimidate ability, and he also follows Greninja in being the best starter of its generation, which also had its ability nerfed in Gen 9 xd
6:08 MAAAAAN I sent that in your earlier Twitter thread and you hit every problem on the head with the same argument I had, I was making my own video too LOL (and I'll still make it)
Anyways great content as always! :D
The trophies just felt magical. Seeing a bunch of new custom models and even obscure art like for example bowsers trophy in melee uses promotional art from a nintendo power magazine. It was also cool seeing stuff like retro looking trophies and teasing of future releases in melee. And of course the descriptions which are super interesting to read and spent hours on. Plus, trophies just felt satisfying to collect, spirits are just “ok i have it now, next”
I would be fine with Spirits, if they had the descriptions. I actually prefer that it's just artwork from their original games.
Pyra and Mythra's Core crystal shape would work as it was added to Alvis in definitive edition, and Future redeemed also has that shape having importance, so it would work for all of them.
If they used the one with the missing part it would also form an X in negative, so it Pyra/Mytra's core would call back to both the Zohar shape, and the X in Xeno.
Even if I'm not a big fan of 2, I still think that would be the best call, I think the problem was just Pyra/Mythra being DLC, so they wouldn't have planned for them initially.
I hate that 80% of everything revolving around Sora’s portrayal is around Kingdom Hearts 1. The ground normals, the aerials, the specials, the MUSIC (which is one of the worst offenders). The Moveset in general is also kinda “meh” because it’s mostly just Keyblade swings; and generic magic attacks. Funnily enough the spells that could’ve actually been interesting are just taunts. I just expected a character that comes from a series to have 200 games to have a lot more complexity.
Oh boy, how are they gonna translate weird shit like Gravity magic into Soras moveset? it's in a taunt? Oh......and his three spells are mostly just concepts that exist in Smash as is? Cool :)
For Maria Renard, Richter saved her incidentally during his Castlevania game, Rondo of Blood. Her stage is like based on the crumbling undercroft of the castle in which you find her. Her Cucco starting item is based on her default attack, where she sends bird forwards to peck. Her subweapons are Chinese zodiac inspired, and include a few options as represented by the accompanying characters. Although no squirtle or bowser is a missed opportunity
I think the reason for the cut of some stages is because of the Stage Morph mechanics and that it was very complicated with those stages
11:26 This Yoshi stage was actually supposed to be a Kirby's Epic Yarn stage, but when the devs heard about a Yoshi game coming out that has to do with WOOL, they changed it
4:25 Reset Bomb Factory? PJiggles, it’s Reset Bomb FOREST.
(In Viridi voice) Sheesh! Get it Right!
4:00 there are some spirits that even if you know the series the reference can still be really confusing. An example being Cuphead. I'm a big Cuphead fan and know almost everything about it but I still have no idea why his battle is like it is.
Cuphead's Spirit Battle references the 3 The Mausoleums where you obtained the 3 Super Arts for saving the Legendary Chalice (represent by Peach using Specials)
One thing I hate is the fact that despite Ultimate Coming out a few months after Warioware Gold, there's no representation of Lulu, not even a spirit of her, if I would imagine her as a spirit in Ultimate at its Launch, There'll be a Red Toon Link representing her Bow and Arrows and a Red Squirtle to represent her water gun, the Hydrocannon LX. Both npcs will most likely use their neutral specials and the stage would be Pokemon Stadium.
Also it's a huge shame that Penny Crygor doesn't become a spirit alongside her song getting added sometime after Get it Together's release to help support it, but it didn't happen.
Even worse of all is the lack of Wario Land Representation, it's just a shame in general that for Wario representation Warioware is mostly used to represent it.
yeah the wario franchise is handled atrociously in smash
@@egon3705 The Only reason why Wario Land was made is because Shigeru Miyamoto couldn't be involved in handheld Mario games so R and D 1 had to make Mario Land 1 and 2 instead. Even then R and D 1 run out of ideas so they created Wario make up for that. Now that technology has improved Nintendo no longer needs Wario Land, now that we have Mario Platformer handhelds. Nintendo does allow Wario Ware because that standouts from Mario.
The good news is that there's a Wario inspired game coming out call Antonblast.
Also Lulu would've been a good choice, because she's based on the main character from Balloon Kid, from the Balloon Fight series
If I recall correctly, part of the reason Wooly World never really came back was because it was actually a last minute stage. The Smash team didn't have a lot of reference material to work with in Smash 4 which is why it's pretty basic. At least that's why I think so. As for stages like Orbital Assault Gate and Jungle Hijinxs, those didn't come back because the former took a year to make and remaking that one to match the visuals of every other stage probably would've been taxing, and the latter not coming back could probably be because it would be harder to implement that stage with the Stage Morph mechanic with some players being in the background and others in the foreground. Plus, if it did come back, imagine what they'd have to do about Steve's block mechanics when he's in the background
With Orbital Gate Assault there is evidence in the game's files that it was going to return in Ultimate
@@Antonio-is2cnthat could just be because a lot of 4 was just ported over
PJiggles always makes my day with his cool trivia
1:40 But you can't even do a double triple whopper intangible wavedance wavedash insta-KO as Fox ONLY on FD ONLY at 12.4% in Ultimate, like you can in Melee.
I concur, pal, spirit descriptions would've been so appreciated in Ultimate.
Now I'll be looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts on Captain Falcon's Dad! Haha
I don't think spirits replaced trophies for dev time. More so due to card ridge size. Like the space they have for vanilla ultimate is literaly the size they had from smash 4 musics alone.
Like. If spirits went the route of original sprites and artworks. Trophies could have been made for bigger characters. And then miniatures with the original model as sub trophies that would require much work. But that would be so heavy on the space required. That even just the amount of trophies from smash 4 would outweigh spirits after every addition. Probably time 2 or more tbh.
Spirits were absolutely amazing and evoked something in me, I haven't felt since my teens when Smash64 came out!
Back then we were still kids.. we were playing games inside a game! ... like later on in Melee, Pikachu with the green hat taking the role of some drunken father and stuff like that lol
And the way how Spirits tried to recreate different characters with "what you got" ticked all those boxes for me.
I can totally see how they are sort of a downgrade from the trophies, but we can finally do something with all the stuff we collect aside from look at it and read some stuff (which can easily looked up nawadays... not so much back then)
Also, having description for *that* many spirits also would have to get translated first which multiplies development cost by quite a bit with that many languages. I know they would absolutely have the money for that, but I'm pretty sure that game came with an agreed-on budget, which also had its limits.
I'm pretty sure the Final Fantasy logo is what it is because they weren't sure if they'd be adding another FF character besides from 7, so they kept it a bit ambiguous. But I do remember that once Sephiroth came out, they changed the series name in the game from FINAL FANTASY to FINAL FANTASY VII, which is where I get this idea from. They didn't know it would only be from 7 at the time of making it and weren't sure still coming into Ult, but it happened the way it did so now it looks weird.
Cloud also only came with 2 songs when he got in the game Sephiroth came with more songs another stage spirits and Mii Costumes
4:17 bro doesn’t know anything about Metal Gear and hasn’t played Rondo of Blood, PJiggles pls culture yourself ong
I don't think I've seen Persona fans saying the arcana thingy should be the series logo, every time I've seen that discussed ended with a butterfly being the best pick to represent the series
Back before Joker was formally revealed (when it was only TGA take over) everyone assumed it would be Philemon's logo since that was an icon since the series started plus FF used the generic series logo and not the entry-specific meteor.
I never once see anyone bring up the idea of a butterfly even though a very simple two-toned butterfly would perfectly showcase the entire conflict of the series
I do remember that Star Fox stage getting lots of hate so I assume that's why it's cut. Despite them returning Brawl's leaf and plant stage (not Pikmin) which got more hate
the difference is that orbital gate assault has the most models out of any megastage
Useless Smash Fact: If you play in Pokémon Stadium, and use Camera Controls; the Jumbotron in the background will follow if you zoom in or zoom out or rotate the screen, which can make some trippy screenshots.
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@@Mac1081 he is a time traveler
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That's streamElements, am I missing something?
It’s always weird hearing the ad reads where people say the word “keto” like im 90% the correct pronunciation is “key-toe” but i believe its Wolfie who says it as “kett-oh” and you here said it “kay-toe” which is even weirder lol.
Also no, Yoshi is not made out of “the thing tennis balls are made out of” it’s felt. Very simple material. Want another example of felt? Here on youtube look up “Randy Feltface” he’s a comedian/puppet who is made out of, you guessed it, felt. And he’s also absolutely hilarious!
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It's really easy to say it's not hard to write information on a spirit, but that takes a lot more work than you can imagine. The blurb of information would have to get approved by the IP holders and thr localization cost for thousands of spirits across multiple langage would be huge.
I'm suprised you didn't mention the Bayonetta series has a clearly defined logo that also represents her as a character but they chose a sillouette of her boob window to be the series icon instead. The real symbol even appears on her entrance animation and neutral b but instead the Icon looks like the symbol of islam
7:02 I personally would have really disliked a creeper face as the Minecraft series icon. Yes, it's iconic, but it doesn't represent Minecraft. The block, while simplified, is a perfect choice.
7:34 Even if all of the Final Fantasy content in Smash is from FF7, that shouldn't mean that the icon meant to represent the entire Final Fantasy series should have been the logo for FF7. Yes, it looks better, but it wouldn't make any sense, especially if we got some content from a different Final Fantasy game.
7:48 To be fair, the logo for the Phantom Thieves is a very good icon to represent the entire Persona series, since it is designed around the core game mechanic of the series, the personas.
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Sure but why is it a timed spirit battle?
Finally someone says something about the empty space on the stage selection screen. It would've been so cool to have 3 more returning stages just so we can have a complete box of stages like if it took 1 year to make Orbital Gate Assault why not reuse it? If bringing back 3 more stages was too much why not put the 3 random stage selections in that spot so we can a complete box instead of having an empty space.
Also with the series logos why is the Fire Emblem series logo the Falchion and not the actual Fire Emblem
Because like 5 objects have taken the name Fire Emblem and when the series was added into Smash with just Marth and Roy they were two different things.
Also Falchion has appeared in several title logos and the OVA so it was more prominent than any of the Emblems.
And by the time another Emblem design would pick up any level of traction, namely Lehran's Medallion, the Falchion would already have been solidified with Smash
Alright, one thing, every one talks about the Crafted Yoshi alt being replaced with the Woolly World alt, I don't think that's really the problem. The problem is the way the Smash team rendered the felt design over Yoshi was poorly done, unlike in the game, and they used the basic green color, which makes it hard to tell from Yoshi's primary color. My solution is to either improve how the felt looks in Ultimate (get Good Feel to do it or smth), change Crafted Yoshi to orange or a color not represented yet, OR just give him one of the many costumes in the game. Crafted World is one of my favourite games and I'm gonna fight for it.
Yoshi has like zero interesting representation in this game, so completely replacing the alt from his _newest game_ , or worse, changing it for another Yoshi's Island reference with the black alt would be a really bad move for the fans of the franchise. Just make the CW alt look less ugly in Smash, it looks fantastic in Yoshi's origin game.
Alternatively, if they're gonna for sure swap out the alt in the next game, throw in Kamek or Poochy into the roster, or maybe Sunshine Station or Kamek's Castle as stages from CW for compensation.
@@Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17 If anything, wouldn't the Black Yoshi be a Yoshi's Story reference instead of Yoshi's Island?
At the very least use the Orange Yoshi from Mario Sunshine.
Just, give me ANY color that isn't just a repeat of one already on the lineup. It's just lame, redundant, and not functional (alts are used to distinguish between players of the same character; the Crafted alt from a distance just looks like the default green alt).
@@extremmefan7305 You got to remember that Black Yoshi was came to Yoshi's Island first, and Black Yoshi was just a secret character in Yoshi's Story. Since Yoshi in Super Mario Sunshine isn't important, the main focus is Yoshi series only which have been the case since 64.
What about an X with a brush stroke on the bottom with a flame with dots sticking out of it at the top?
While I miss the descriptions, I definitely prefer spirits over trophies as all of them having their own battles is a better use of such a concept than just a 3D model and a description imo
Spirits are at the very least "interactive" which is I prefer them over Trophies
@@Antonio-is2cn Spirit battles, with their sheer number and without the context of the trophy descriptions, might as well just be a weird battle mode where you fight random opponents with random modifiers.
@@BainesMkII tbh you dont have to know the lore of every game to understand 90% of the spirit battle
nah brawl trophy gallery is peak vibes
One of my complaints on the spirits is that when they released new spirits like the bowsers fury one they didn’t even bother to reorganise it on the right section.
The Monado is fine. Pyra and Mythra's sword is a monado, just not the same one. And it represents the (SPOILERS)
Trinity Processor, since it's a tool derived from Ontos/Alvis. The Trinity Processor is hugely important to all 3 games.
I'm still mad they didn't bring back Smash Run.
8:28 I'm sorry, who the f*ck did you talk to & what discussions did you look at for THAT to be a generalized Persona Series Icon?
9:00 first of all spoiler warning for the Xenoblade Series
i think most ppl are fine with it being the monado since when smash came out 3 wasnt out yet and 1 and 2 do have monado`s in them aka the aegis`s weapons aka a key to a supercomputer linked to an infinite energy source
With XC3's Future Redeemed DLC, the Monado is now present in every game so it makes sense too.
The aegis core crystal would do very well to represent the Xenoblade series in the next game considering how all the Xeno games revolve around the power of the Conduit.
I always thought the reason Pokefloats, Jungle Hijinxs and Orbital Gate Assault couldn't come back was because getting them to work with stage morph would have been really difficult, though if they really wanted to bring them back i suppose they could have just excluded them from stage morph mode?
Tbh i think replacing trophies with spirits was the right call. I think very, VERY few people actually read the descriptions or liked to collect them, and i imagine all the text and 3d models took tons of time, money and space in the game, whereas spirits can actually affect gameplay. I know not many people liked it but, with world of lgiht and all, i think they add a lot more to the game, would take spirits over trophies any day.
Also making busted spirit combos is so fun, giving DK max jump to grab opponents and launch them at the exosphere at 0 is really fun.
Still for most people both are just NFTs or wtv
Yeah, even with the loss of the descriptions and 3d models I still prefer spirits in a gameplay sense given how many special matchups they made for the spirit fights, far better than the event lineup in any of the past games (especially Wii U's)
Define "very few". Everyone I know loved them.
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@@TheLobsterCopter5000 maybe it's my experience. Everyone i know found it pretty meh lmao. I love em tho
Frankly, I wouldn't have minded if the new alt for Yoshi was a Woolly World Yarn Yoshi. It has a distinct enough visual appearance that it wouldn't just look like normal yoshi with an ugly texture slapped on it, and plus, Woolly World was actually a pretty good game, so if they really wanted a costume with a distinct model for Yoshi, there, that's what it should've been.
Zelda's stage and item representation is still very good, I'm curious to know what about those specifically bugs you
It's probably the characters (3 practically identical Links) but I'm not sure, I don't play Zelda.
@@zOOpygOOpert that's part of it (even though it is fair to add the most known protagonists), but every tloz fan can tell you that ganondorf got absolutely destroyed in smash, it got turned into a swordsman falcon clone even though in game he is not like that at all
There are a lot of minor nitpicks to be made about the stages ngl; I think Skyloft might be the only stage that's exempt of at least one, aside from "ew walkoff"/"ew travelling stage".
@@extremmefan7305 Hyrule Castle and Temple are iconic but the rest of the stages do represent the games as faithfully as possible right? The only complaint I'd think of is "Why wasn't it [other location from the game] instead?" But it doesn't sound compelling either
@@scoffeex1740 Let me list a few major ones: Spirit Train lacks the Tower of Spirits (the key dungeon you can literally see from anywhere in Spirit Track) at literally all points in its travel, Temple is actually a very generic location that only has basis in Zelda II in that it's the generic temple aesthetic but not really any specific one, Bridge of Eldin is a rather boring stage for how wild Twilight Princess locations can get...
I'm friends with a huge Zelda nerd, so I see that kind of rants rather often.
I wonder if they scrapped the trophies because the large amount of text that would have to be translated. There are 11 languages and smash 4 had almost 700 trophies so its understandable they wouldn't want to spend so much development time on a non-gameplay feature. Sprites are only images and the text that is attached to them has already been done: the character''s name and the game they came from.
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