Hey Nathan, it's been a while since I first watched this video. Laura and I are planning a trip to ride an out and back from Angel's Pass to Yellow Springs. Dayton is our home town and we will be riding with a few of my high school buddies. I remember when I was young those trails were just being planned and constructed. Ohio has created a wonderful trail system. Hey, next time you are riding through Dayton, be sure to grab a deluxe from Marion's Pizza. You will thank me later. Another great video my friend! Fredf
Miami trails are awesome and connect to so many other trails.when you think you have done them all you discover more . Love living in Ohio an the wonderful trail systems available an in the works.
The Little Miami Scenic Trail (or Loveland Trail as you referred to it) is awesome. We have ridden it several times previously but wanted to venture out and explore other areas this time. And we're glad we did!
Great video i live in Dayton . Next time you ride thru stay on the mad river trail and ride to Huffman metro park, the United States Air Force Museum, and the Wright Brothers Memorial all on the Mad River Trail less than 2 miles from Eastwood
Good stuff! I'm local to these trails and love having them close. Correction for you guys though; Where you said you had I675 on the right, that wasn't 675. That's 35. You passed over I675 @ 17:11.
Question for you. Have you done a comparison between saddle bags and the sausage bags? I used to commute with paniers and never had any issues with them. Recently I purchase a seat pack, or sausage bag as I like to call them and didn't really care for the increased height of the CG and the overall inconvenience of how you have to pack them to get everything tight so that the bag doesn't swing around allot.
Here are my thoughts based on my own experience and research. I don't think it's fair to make a direct comparison between a rack with panniers and a saddlebag as they are a part of two different systems. So, I will comment about the pros and cons of each system. The more traditional bike touring setup is racks with panniers. And there are some obvious advantages to this system. Namely, you can carry more stuff. This is the system that I used for several years, including commuting to and from work, rides on the Little Miami, and the GAP. And I think I'd still favor it for rides on flat even surfaces, including commuting. But, there are some disadvantages: The rack and pannier system is a little heaver, less aerodynamic, and tends to place most of the weight at the back of the bike, (which can be balanced through the use of front racks and panniers, but I have never ridden with those). Personally, I think the overall chief advantage to the bikepacking set up has to do with weight distribution. My heaviest items are in my frame bag or strapped to my cages on my front forks. with clothes and parts of my sleep system in the saddlebag. I also like the fact that I have so many different compartments with this setup. Overall, I think I like the bikepacking setup a little better for bikepacking and light touring, namely for the more even weight distribution, which is even more important on rough surfaces. But, for commuting around town use, I'd prefer a rack with panniers. Hope that helps!
I would love to do an overnight rails to trails ride on a lightly loaded singlespeed at about 12 to 15 MPH, with a good spin. And take more time in the doing. I see alot of "going fast" and "making time" in so many of these videos. Where's the race? I think there could be greater interest in the pie and coffee, beer and pizza, rather than doing the same routine most of us face in our daily "nine to fives."
Thanks! Unfortunately, I don't have a particularly short answer to your question as it really depends on the ride. For this ride, I referenced the map at www.miamivalleytrails.org/trail-map quite a lot, along with Googling information about the area, and then built a route using Ride with GPS.
It varies pretty greatly and really depends on how much there is to stop and see along the way. But, with a load, I’d say somewhere in the 10 to 15 mph range. We’re definitely riding #partypace and not trying to get Strava segments.
@@KentuckyCycling awesome, got to love the party pace for sure. I live SW OHIO, a little NE of Dayton. Little town of St.Paris. I hope to ride down in your state soon.
Enjoy the C&O. There is so much history, and sights to see. Hopefully I can do it again this year. I enjoyed it more than the GAP trail, even though it is a rougher surface. My advice go Cumberland to D.C., that way you are always going downhill.
That's our plan exactly. Last year, we road the GAP from Pittsburg to Cumberland (see th-cam.com/video/hRYck4V4oLY/w-d-xo.html) so we are picking up where we left off.
Might want too check the weather if you do the c&o it's not paved and is one giant mud hole if it's rained a lot out there from what I've seen on TH-cam
Hey Nathan, it's been a while since I first watched this video. Laura and I are planning a trip to ride an out and back from Angel's Pass to Yellow Springs. Dayton is our home town and we will be riding with a few of my high school buddies. I remember when I was young those trails were just being planned and constructed. Ohio has created a wonderful trail system. Hey, next time you are riding through Dayton, be sure to grab a deluxe from Marion's Pizza. You will thank me later. Another great video my friend! Fredf
Miami trails are awesome and connect to so many other trails.when you think you have done them all you discover more . Love living in Ohio an the wonderful trail systems available an in the works.
Genius! You brought the "salsa" to "miami". 🎺🎹🎶🎙
LOL. Fun observation!
I rode the Loveland Trail last year and it was gorgeous. I can't wait to go back!
The Little Miami Scenic Trail (or Loveland Trail as you referred to it) is awesome. We have ridden it several times previously but wanted to venture out and explore other areas this time. And we're glad we did!
Great video! I’m starting to do more of this trail system and I enjoyed seeing the trail from your perspective 👍
Great video i live in Dayton . Next time you ride thru stay on the mad river trail and ride to Huffman metro park, the United States Air Force Museum, and the Wright Brothers Memorial all on the Mad River Trail less than 2 miles from Eastwood
Good to know!
Good stuff! I'm local to these trails and love having them close. Correction for you guys though; Where you said you had I675 on the right, that wasn't 675. That's 35. You passed over I675 @ 17:11.
Glad you enjoyed the video. And thanks for the correction!
They have that gap about Middletown completed now
@@doubleroutdoors6746 Nice!
Question for you. Have you done a comparison between saddle bags and the sausage bags? I used to commute with paniers and never had any issues with them. Recently I purchase a seat pack, or sausage bag as I like to call them and didn't really care for the increased height of the CG and the overall inconvenience of how you have to pack them to get everything tight so that the bag doesn't swing around allot.
Here are my thoughts based on my own experience and research. I don't think it's fair to make a direct comparison between a rack with panniers and a saddlebag as they are a part of two different systems. So, I will comment about the pros and cons of each system.
The more traditional bike touring setup is racks with panniers. And there are some obvious advantages to this system. Namely, you can carry more stuff. This is the system that I used for several years, including commuting to and from work, rides on the Little Miami, and the GAP. And I think I'd still favor it for rides on flat even surfaces, including commuting. But, there are some disadvantages: The rack and pannier system is a little heaver, less aerodynamic, and tends to place most of the weight at the back of the bike, (which can be balanced through the use of front racks and panniers, but I have never ridden with those).
Personally, I think the overall chief advantage to the bikepacking set up has to do with weight distribution. My heaviest items are in my frame bag or strapped to my cages on my front forks. with clothes and parts of my sleep system in the saddlebag. I also like the fact that I have so many different compartments with this setup.
Overall, I think I like the bikepacking setup a little better for bikepacking and light touring, namely for the more even weight distribution, which is even more important on rough surfaces. But, for commuting around town use, I'd prefer a rack with panniers.
Hope that helps!
Wished I had known we could of met up and camped
I would love to do an overnight rails to trails ride on a lightly loaded singlespeed at about 12 to 15 MPH, with a good spin. And take more time in the doing. I see alot of "going fast" and "making time" in so many of these videos. Where's the race? I think there could be greater interest in the pie and coffee, beer and pizza, rather than doing the same routine most of us face in our daily "nine to fives."
I tend to approach my rides that way. And that’s about the speed we rode on this ride. But, different strokes for different folks.
Great video - what software or apps do you use to plot your route or find trails to ride?
Thanks! Unfortunately, I don't have a particularly short answer to your question as it really depends on the ride. For this ride, I referenced the map at www.miamivalleytrails.org/trail-map quite a lot, along with Googling information about the area, and then built a route using Ride with GPS.
If you are looking for off-road trails in other areas (e.g. rail-trails), probably the best source is www.traillink.com/.
When you guys ride on paved trails what is your average speed . Love your videos by the way
It varies pretty greatly and really depends on how much there is to stop and see along the way. But, with a load, I’d say somewhere in the 10 to 15 mph range. We’re definitely riding #partypace and not trying to get Strava segments.
@@KentuckyCycling awesome, got to love the party pace for sure. I live SW OHIO, a little NE of Dayton. Little town of St.Paris. I hope to ride down in your state soon.
Enjoy the C&O. There is so much history, and sights to see. Hopefully I can do it again this year. I enjoyed it more than the GAP trail, even though it is a rougher surface. My advice go Cumberland to D.C., that way you are always going downhill.
That's our plan exactly. Last year, we road the GAP from Pittsburg to Cumberland (see th-cam.com/video/hRYck4V4oLY/w-d-xo.html) so we are picking up where we left off.
Kentucky Cycling I road the GAP last year also. Rained the whole way.
@@Sr89hot Sorry to hear that. Hope you enjoyed the trip anyway.
Might want too check the weather if you do the c&o it's not paved and is one giant mud hole if it's rained a lot out there from what I've seen on TH-cam