The Psychopath vs The Sociopath | Interview with Dr Todd Grande
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- Many of you have been curious about the differences between the psychopath and sociopath. Tune in to this video find out about psychopathy, anti-social personality disorder, and narcissism from a clinical perspective.
I'm interviewing Dr. Todd Grande on the topic. He is a Licensed Professional Counselor of Mental Health (LPCMH), Licensed Chemical Dependency Professional (LCDP), and a Certified Advanced Alcohol and Drug Counselor (CAADC) in the State of Delaware and is a National Certified Counselor (NCC). Check out his TH-cam channel for more info! / riogrande51
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Meredith, thank you so much for interviewing me! It was an absolute pleasure speaking with you. So many people are directly and indirectly affected by Cluster B personality disorders, which makes raising awareness crucial. You do such excellent work with your channel!
It was a pleasure interviewing you, Todd! Thank you for your time. I look forward to the next one!
You two had great energy together. Great interview, and very insightful information.
Thank you for taking the time to discuss this topic. It is very interesting and also something that many people deal with in their lives.
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Fantastic interview, thank you!
Completely intrigued by this interview but will add that (the) my narc did not stabilize into his 70’s. Continued the gaslighting, blame shifting, stonewall, no guilt, and the worse emotional abuse was the completely ignoring me when I expressed my concern for his erratic behavior. So many hours dedicated to channels here have given me the strength and fortitude to go no contact. Can not recommend enough- must get out and rediscover your true self before they totally destroy you. Big hug to you Meredith!!
Yeah he said most, not all
Fact!
Narcissists actually get worse with age as they see their plans and dreams of grandiose slipping through their fingers. They actually get more angry and bitter and a whole lot more sophisticated in their approach.
Oh yes...
You can have an overall tendency be true, but have a multimodal outcome. For example, most may improve somewhat over time, while a smaller subset get much much worse, depending on the person and circumstances.
You just described my father, I mean the “Sophisticated” part. I didn’t have a word to describe what he was doing and how....but that just really hit the nail on the head
wont they be prominent individuals due to their charisma helping them advance and achieve? Their honey moon stage is undeniable very sweet, who cant love them then? ... That would be more of a psychopath to feel FOMO fear of missing out and they not in control and react in rage. A narc do this burst to feed of their prey and reinstate their position. They more likely plan it.. luring you in a cage of argument youll never win. They would use your feelings to exploit you in every aspect. What you think about what i said? Honestly would like to see your input.
I agree. Doc was off on that one. PhD's don't know everything even if they have the best of intentions.
Dr. Grande is superb, great interview Meredith!
Yesss I watch his videos all the time!
Thank you Meredith. :). I appreciate this interview. In my experience as a clinician, I have seen Narcissism and Borderline personality worsen with age. I have seen that they are actually most sophisticated with their pathology. It is good to hear that some do stabilize. I deal with the worst of the worst, and I always hope for the best but unfortunately they just seem to deceive you more that they are stabilizing. The best you can do is reduce harm to self and others. I work on keeping the community safe from them. The doctor in this interview did a great job in discussing this topic of Psychopaths and Sociopaths :). Hugs. Xx
Nice yes
I’ve borderline personality disorder and am 24. I am actually doing better now that I am in therapy. All my actions came from feeling so awful that I legit felt like taking my life if something happened or didn’t happen. I’ve tools now to help me cope with negative emotions. Did these people you work with have treatment prior? Untreated of course it gets worse. Add substance use and any decent chance of recovery is slim. I think having a supportive mother, being predominantly asexual and aromatic (my unstable relationships were with friends), and yes having finished high school and being in college has helped. Yep, I will be getting my bachelor’s degree in May🥰 I am proud of the woman I am today because I fought like hell to become her.
I really can confirm that being in a relationship with someone like that is like going through hell. These videos really help me to understand and process all the bad experiences with a different perspective. Thank you so much!
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Very informative, Meredith. It answered a question I have had in my head for years. Sadly it didn't bring me any comfort. I wouldn't wish the hell I have been through on anyone. On the other hand, finding you has brought me comfort and thank you for all the "hugs."
Good video. Pretty much agree with everything except the fact about psychopaths toning down in their 40s. They get better at what they do and harder to detect. The recent ex was 47 and still going strong and been leaving a path of destruction in her wake with 4 others since me and countless people she's scammed. She bounces from state to state. I've heard the same with others who have been with psychopaths as well. I don't believe they get better or come to any realization except how to manipulate better. She's destroyed many men financially and I was one of the lucky ones she didn't get put in jail. She's about as dangerous a predator as they come.
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Best youtube channel ever! Im not diagnosing anyone. Only speculating what could be happening in a situation like this. Dr Grande is the Messiah. All hail Dr. Grande!
I am dealing with two different Narcissists and they are over 50. They haven't changed a bit. More like digging in their heels. You answered my questions though.
There's no beating a machavellian.
I am one and I know
I’m surprised that he said the professionals are hesitant to add diagnoses onto a patient. I see that they don’t want to add a stigma. But what about the victims?
I often hear people questioning a narc’s, as if their experience isn’t valid without a formal diagnosis. It seems like a violation to withhold any diagnosis just so you don’t hurt their feelings.
Victims need the diagnosis to understand what happened. The professionals owe it to the world to do their job whether it’s pleasant or not.
Amy Kline Hey there. I used to think like you a while ago. But since we neurotipicals can actually handle frustration better than our cluster b fellow citizens, we need to accept that nobody owes us anything. Technically, the narcs do owe us thousands and thousands of explanations, so what? It doesn’t really matter because if someone shows toxic behaviour on a daily basis (and doesn’t want to change) we need to cut them off. Simple as that. No regrets. Do you
Exactly.the danger is there.for children.for partners.it needs to come out of the shadows to help future victims.and people to avoid the damage.
You appearently aren't aware that therapists don't tattoo diagnoses into a persons forehead, so other people than the therapist and the person who is in therapy won't know anyway. Not rashly diagnosing people is not about not hurting feelings, but about getting the diagnosis right, which isn't as easy as many people believe. Also it can be severely damaging to hand out wrong diagnoses to every the missdiagnosed person and their close ones. Just imagine telling somebody they have something and they identify with it (and act like it), even if the diagnosis doesn't fit.
I read a book about all the cluster B personality disorders when trying to understand a difficult person in my life, and I saw HUGE overlap in this person between (covert/vulnerable) NPD, BPD, and HPD (narcissism, borderline, histrionic). The book is “5 Types of People Who Can Ruin Your Life” by Bill Eddy. It covers not only the DSM qualifications for each of the five disorders, but what to do and what NOT to do with each. Totally fascinating.
Absolutely fascinating interview, Meredith! What great questions. Thank you for bringing this important information to us.
Thank you..that book is on my list now...much love xx
Thanks for the book suggestion, Tawny!
Yes am reading this book now. It is excellent, as was his other book Splitting.
You needed to take three deep breaths just getting through half his resume. What an all around amazing dude. Good human being.
Narcissists do not improve with age. I really think this is wrong.
I agree. Either they get better at hiding it or their supply, through mirroring, makes them look like a better person. But the mask still drops and the dark side is always there.
Sheree Swanson. I agree with you about how they get worse with age. I have aging family members with this disorder and I can see how unhinged they're becoming. However, I also think there is something to what he said. I do believe that as they age they become better at seeing the factor they played in the horrible life they made for themselves. I think that is part of the explanation of why they lash out more and get more bitter. They know they cant go back and do things differently and the powerlessness gets to them.
@@paulagonzalez1721 they can't go back and change the past but they could make amends, and they don't. They could stop their abusive behavior, and they don't. That's why I say they don't change.
janny. You have a point there. They don't seek to make amends.
Agreed. My ex narc is actually getting worse with age
My ex is a malignant narc with strong psychopathic trades...very sadistic. He loves to torture ... we had a typical on - off relationship. I became emotional addicted to him really fast . ... he cheated on me several times... ( Friday, Saturday i fucked her , sunday Monday i fucked u and u r stupid enough to believe that i love u ) domestic violence(physically and emotionally) , he can act very charming and is ambitious , he pretends to be mister charming but in reality he is a demon.
Greetings from Deutschland:) Meredith, u r doing a great Job. Thank u ❤❤❤
Thank u Dr Grande and Meredith . Greetings from Germany ❤❤
One thing I didn't hear in this video is the fact that the brain scans show little or no activity in the frontal cortex where empathy is centered. Maybe this can be discussed in a near video. I gained a lot of insight in this interview. Thanks so much to both of you!
Psychopaths are possibly dangerous people we need to be careful of.
UNLEASHING POTENTIAL - PSYCHOLOGY VIDEOS they’re so good at hiding though.
So are Sociopaths.
So true.....We really dont know who is in our bed....Who we love?....
He was so sneaky along with gaslighting and mindfuckery. Never again
UNLEASHING POTENTIAL - PSYCHOLOGY VIDEOS I’ve lived with my cousin since I was 2 I never suspected him to be that until I did research because he acts normal now he’s always been a little weird and had fucked up thoughts but he seems like himself with me and family is that possible? Or do u think he’s been able to wear a mask his whole life
Wow, I think I am done with relationships it's just isn't worth the danger, already gone thru this once don't intend to go thru this again.
Yes many of us are right where you are. Look into the book The Magnet Syndrome, Meredith also did a couple videos about this.
Me too Bigsky. 🌈 Now that hes gone im happy and at peace ...nothing os work wrecking that now ...
@@ChristiansPrayingTogether I am glad you got away and I hope you have a peaceful happy life,
Well Anonymous: I am a 63-year-old man now and I don't need you to tell what I can and can't be.
BIGSKY Exactly...100! Most people out there are these types of people...
They used to talk about it like a narcissist with a borderline defense, and borderline with a narcissistic defense. Anyway, what a great interview! Thank you so much. =] So I became fascinated with this stuff because my older brother was a psychopathy, who seriously abused me and my little brother (who later killed himself at age 17). This quest for understanding started in the 70's. From all my reading back then, I decided it's core source was a biological predisposition and a *failure to attach.* Meaning something went wrong in the first few months of life. Maybe even in the first few weeks. I am convinced this is true. It's just no one seems to have continued down that route. :(
That's so interesting.
wow . ..my exnarc never seemed to be attached to anything or anyone...no emotions and "recovering alcoholic " and anxious avoidant attachment style.
@ p mgc - I'm so sorry. It's very painful to be with someone who just doesn't connect. The critical bonding events at birth can be interrupted by so many things, like the mother being sick for a few weeks or months, then the window for learning basic attachment closes. Just like with language, if it isn't learned during a certain window of time, it can't be learned.
They, (my parents) used to tell the story of how when my older brother was just a few weeks old he would cry during the night, so they spanked him. With pride they would say he never cried for his mother again. smh That was the moment a monster was born and they did't even know it.
@@RunAMuckGirl2 thank you thats very kind.
I too am sorry for the pain that's been caused by your family and trying to put all the pieces together is crazy making. I do know my exs mother was bipolar and dad alcoholic so it makes sense how that could happen.
Hugs to you
Aww Hugs to you as well! I'm glad this chat helped you put another piece in the puzzle. Be well.
Meredith could it be that some disordered persons don't suffer grave consequences as a result of thier abusive behavior therefore they dont "stabilize".
Gracias a usted me he dado cuenta de que no estoy LOCO simplemente la narcisista perversa me ha robado 15 años de mi vida. Estaba hundido, desesperado y no sabía que hacer hasta que fui al psicoterapeuta y me abrió los ojos. Dentro de todo lo malo me alegró mucho de saberlo por que manipula a mis hijas. Gracias a estos vídeos me encuentro mejor. Estuve en cerrado en el psiquiátrico 1 semana. Pero su SECRETO ya no está escondido. Puedo volver a sonreír. Gracias
Dr. GRANDE ❤ His channel was the first one that clarified things for me 😊 I owe him my sanity 👍
My dad used to be very violent and I’ve witnessed him battering my older sister and he also slapped me so hard over and over again one day when I was young that my face became swollen. I believe he’s a sociopath and a narcissist. As he got older he became less violent but I believe he just realized that he was more vulnerable because he was older and that he had to find more covert ways to manipulate us. He became more of a victim narcissist. I don’t think he thinks anything he did was wrong and I have absolutely no respect for him.
Fuckin dead 😂
Sounds like my father too. When I was a child held me down and slapped me repeatedly and had to go to school with marks all over my face . He was a definite narcissist and an expert liar. I hated him for a long time. So I get you. The only one who could heal my soul is Jesus. Call out to him, he will help you.
I don’t think they stabilize.
They do with age. There are proofs.
I recommend watching the Saving MK playlist from Surviving to Thriving on helping children become empathetic when entrained to imitate their narcissist in their lives
Thank you! This is very needed. Too many children are growing up trapped in houses with dangerous, dysfunctional, and frankly psychopathic or full flown narcissistic people as models. Since the brain is in hypnotic state through age 7, they truly get this downloaded into their subconscious as normal behavior, normal thought patterns, normal emotions. It takes re-patterning their entire perception of reality as well as social patterns to overcome this or they will go through life behaving just like the disturbed parents.
Thank you, what an informative, helpful interview! Researchers might consider collecting data from mothers of sociopaths and psychopaths, who have witnessed the onset of symptoms.
That's a great idea!
I am subscribed to Dr. Grande; excellent information. Nice to see you interview him. Enjoyed the topic.
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I’m married to an 82 year old and he is becoming nastier with age. He has our 3 adult children hating me. Last one to go and final nail was this past Christmas. He knows full well what he is doing. No guilt. Was not willing to do anything when the kids were home. I had to be the disciplinarian and the nasty scapegoat for the family. Absolutely no reasoning with him on anything. Controls all money. He will never change. Just getting this stuff this past year. Thank you for your help.
Thanks,this has been a great topic and it provided much more than expected. I must admit that when I started watching Dr.Grande on his show I was not able to understand him very well, but he is brilliant.As an 50+ year co-dependent I am so grateful for these topics.Thank you too Ms M.🌈👏🏽💐🌈🤗
This was fascinating. Thanks Meredith
😂😃 I love the look on Merediths face, it’s like she is absorbing every word
Her eyes are mesmerizing. I realize it is because she is looking at the screen, but those are beautiful eyes.
I know right?
Although the differences appear subtle their are differences between the two even though the general public interchanges the two.
He's so eloquent without a script
I subscribed to his channel because of this amazing interview.
Thank you for the enlightenment.
Meredith, this may be my favorite video to date. Thank you so much. Dr. Grande is one of my favorite experts on this topic specifically.
Really enjoyed this volley of great questions and answers. To use a baseball analogy, Dr. Grande stands up to the plate and drives in a run every time he takes a swing at the ball. He is so fluent discussing the muddled overlapping presentations of personality disorders that any mental disorder difficult to classify stays that way, but becomes much easier to understand why that's the case.
Thank you! Very informative.
Meridith....Awesome as always....gives us all the understanding ...pure god send..
Thank you Merdith.xx
We are definitely going to have him back soon! Dr. Grande has much more to share on Cluster B disorders and I'm looking forward to continuing the dialog.
Sociopaths have a 50/50 genetic component. I have spoken to people who have raised their child in absence of their sociopath parent and the single parent still sees identical traits (during childhood ~ adult years) found in the sociopathic parent.
If you're unsure if the person (adult) you are dealing with is a sociopath or not an easy way to distinguish the difference is the adult person will exhibit an extremely high degree of lying, denial, grandiose, and similar characteristics to the oppositional defiant child (the person has no regard for others and will do anything and everything to get what they want, which includes going outside the boundaries of social norms and disregarding laws.
YES, the only solution to dealing with these negative people is to permanently separate yourself from them.
BTW Excellent discussion on the differences between the Psychopath, Sociopath, and Narcissist. NICE WORK!
WOW what a treat to watch two of my favorite information distributors collaborating! This is great. 👍🏼❤️
Wow. A lot of really good clarification. I have a family member who I've been convinced has covert NPD....based on a lot of reading/information gathering/videos, and still do, but I remember once reading something that listed the traits of borderline personality disorder and felt that matched up almost as well as covert NPD, only in different ways.....and just decided that I couldn't possibly "officially" diagnose this person. But after hearing Dr. Grande say here that the co-morbidity between BPD and covert NPD is not uncommon, I now feel at least 90% confident that this family member has both. This is after years of researching and observing and untangling all the possibilities and never really feeling more than around 75% certain that "covert narcissism" was "correct" (even though that 75% certainty helped me immensely in dealing with it) It's a relief to feel this additional level of clarity and certainty.
Thank you so much for including all those questions Meredith. The responses/discussion was so interesting and very helpful.
Love that Dr Grande's achievements are highlighted here!!!!
Yes, yes, and yes. He is spot on with everything! Every time he spoke of a new top I was like YES. I don’t have a psychology degree but I have studied it and have experience with both a factor 1 and factor 2 psychopathy. Thank you for this.
On occasion I've watched his videos. Although he seems to have the academic and theoretical background, I've seen one video with what is for me dangerous and disparaging information to narcissistic abuse victims. In this video "6 myths about Narcissistic personality disorders" (httpse/jV1knP5-K1o) he states that Narcs aren't deliberately harmful. I'm sure NPD abuse survivors from their own experience would think and know otherwise. These toxic disordered people know what they do ALL THE TIME, and even derive pleasure from all the harmful things that they do. Letting go of the disordered label and looking at this from a survival and life optimization point of view, these people are just displaying a predatory personality trait. A trait, not a disorder in which they are merely victims of their genetics (psychopathy) or a traumatic past event. Wolf's in people's jackets...
I don't agree with this Dr.
I don’t like Dr. Grande. There’s something off about him. It creeps me out that he rarely smiles.
@@Moonbunny55 LOL OMG.
Quiche Lorraine I agree with you. 54 years with one. Getting ready to get out.
I agree with the covert/vulnerable narcisssist being more closely associated with BPD. The Covert Narcissist in my life uses abusive behavior to deflect their very low self esteem. If you point this out to them, they will call you abusive.
I agree that some Cluster B can regulate with age/maturity. In my mom's 20s and 30s, she suffered from all of the traits of BPD. She got much better in her 40s and 50s. It was almost like she had a midlife crisis, but became healthier and happier. She's not perfect now, but I wouldn't label her "disordered" or having "issues" any more.
My ex is clearly a Sociopath. He is almost 50. He is not emotionally regulating. He is also not become more covert with his abuse. His logic is becoming more and more delusional and mistrusting. He exhibits behaviors of early dementia.
I mostly appreciated his input on the diagnostic criteria for comorbidities.
Yes it all depends! Very insightful comment. I’ve BPD and am in therapy now. I’m 24. I’m doing much better and will be graduating college in May. However my dad who has NPD and ASPD just gets worse and I had to cut him off. I think a lot of his problems are because his mother drank while pregnant with him.
Thank you very much for this interview! There were things I had wrong about psychopaths, but now I know better. :) Take care!
Edit: Wow, now I reached the point in the video where Dr Grande said vulnerable/covert narcissistic PD has a strong relationship to borderline PD... that definitely resonated with me, since I suspected that the toxic person I knew was either a covert narcissist or a borderline. I thought the person displayed clear traits of both disorders, so I was really confused. Also, I know that people can be comorbid with multiple disorders.
And regarding HPD may be possibly merged with BPD in the future, I've heard the same thing from Kris Godinez (who has a youtube channel) when I asked her about why HPD seems to be so rarely discussed on channels about cluster B.
WOW!!! NICE CREDENTIALS!!!! Im looking forward to watching his videos. Thank you Meredith.
Dr. Grande is deserving of his own TV show.
Apologies for spelling errors in my reply lost my glasses but hope you all got the sense of it.I wish i had had my narc glasses on when i met my narc I have lived learned and had my heart broken but my eyes are so open now! Thanks meredith i have learned so much.BETTER LATE THAN NEVER!!! One year no contact instigated by me and not broken has seen me survive and recover
Fascinating. Great interview. I came here so I could get an understanding about someone I know and love. You made this laymen understand so much better. Meredith Thank you.
Meredith, I love how Dr. Todd Grande's perspectives coincide with Dr. George K. Simon's perspectives. Manipulative people CAN change their behavior.
They take a great deal longer to change their personalities, but their behavior can change, even immediately. A much needed discussion.
They can change. That's key to recognizing that they're making a choice in every moment and they don't get a free pass to behave like that just because they have a Cluster B personality disorder. I've never seen one in my personal life change and never heard of one in my professional life with all the clients I've worked with, who's narc actually changed for the better. I am still a pessimist on the topic but very much in agreement with belief that they have free will choices to behave as they do or change.
@@InnerIntegration I went and visited my daughter in Florida. This Nov has been 3 yrs no contact with her father after he and his borderline girlfriend came after me in a malicious way. She confided in me on her own that her father wrote her last March after her move and apologized how he treated me. The sad thing is she doesnt know if hes just saying what she wants to hear or is he truly sorry. She has not responded to him as she is afraid he is going to gaslight her or not honor her reality. So sad he involved her.
Beauriful calm and clear interview.
Thanks to both of u.
For one week I will listen to it maybe every day., cause it's nice to listen to and very clear.
Learning
Fantastic! Thank you Meredith and Dr. Grande.
Huge fan of Dr. Grande!
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Excellent BD Gift - Thank you - Very Deep & Insightful 👍🏽
Thank you for doing this video! I suggested someone else but I'm glad you chose Dr. Todd Grande, I like him better, very informative and detailed, great pick! This is complicated stuff, thank God we have our guts and our gut feeling to sniff this crap out. The Dark Triad, sounds creepy!!!
I lost track of that thread a few weeks ago and I didn't get to see who you recommended but this worked out for the best because Dr Grande is great! We are definitely going to have him back soon and dive deeper.
@@InnerIntegration Dr. Ramani Durvasula is who I suggested but that's ok, I like Dr. Grande. Yes this video worked out great, Thanks again!
@AJ HILL I happened to read your comment and wanted to say that I like Ramani Durvasula too :).
And another psychologist I really like is Abdul Saad on the channel Vital Mind Psychology. He made a couple of videos on narcissism a couple of months ago which I think are outstanding, since he managed to make sense (at least to me) out of things which to nondisordered people is hard to understand, e.g. how the grandiose/invulnerable/overt and the vulnerable/covert/shy narcissists think and operate. He also brilliantly explained the various levels of pathology within the disorders. Highly recommended! :)
Meredith thks for this conference. I must say that I am a very good sample for your studies and presentations because I have a lot of issues with my family. Some quite grabe some clear what have affected them. Thks again.
Wow. When he described the psychopath as this calm, non-reactive person, it instantly reminded me of a male member of my christian congregation, who led a double life. He was always calm and collected but he had two parallel homes for decades: the one with his wife of over 40 years and his children and a second home, with a girlfriend and children as well. A few months after his wife's death (cancer), he married his other partner. Complete lack of empathy. When the elders of the congregation confronted him, he was eerily calm and dignified. So messed up...
Paula Gonzalez - Did they kick him out? If not, they should have.
Paula Gonzalez Let me guess. Jehovah’s Witness? Lots of psychopaths and sociopaths there.
Plain Talk. Yes they did. He is now expelled from the congregation. He never showed remorse for all the damage he caused, just this silent and dignified attitude.
Zuma BeachBum. No. Evangelical. I am still a christian despite everything I've seen but I have to recognize that religious settings are filled with these types. They love the loving, welcoming atmosphere where forgiveness is the way and naiveté is so rampant. They can get away with so much. I see it every day. It's so disturbing.
Paula these types of individuals will be exposed sooner or later just as this person was in the end. We are living in critical times of the last days (2 Timothy 3:1-5) where people who are lovers of themselves will eventually reap what they have sown. Trust me they are not fooling Almighty God! (Psalm chapter 94)
Absolutely fantastic content. This has reinforced what I've learned over time to make things better for not only my self but my family and everyone around me. Thank you.
Dr Grande is amazing. It was his presentations that opened my eyes and connect the dots about why an intelligent woman such as myself.
Would make such stupid decisions.
Hes a real insightful integration to me.
@I am a Time Traveller your absurd.
Not sure if you will read this comment Meredith, but I am reading a book you have recommended several times in your video - The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout. I cannot put it down...finally, along with your fantastic insights,in a very clear big picture kind of way, everything is making sense and every piece of the puzzle not only in my personal life but in the bigger picture of society is falling into place. Thank you so much for your dedication to enlightening us... and also for this fabulous book recommendation. I encourage others to read it to!!!
I disagree. These types get worse with age.
Done and done
This was an excellent education. It made me see the clear distinction between personality and traits/behavourers. As regards vulnerable (covert/compensatory) narcissists being very close to a borderline diagnosis, well my ex-lover was diagnosed as BPD, but IMO she also is a covert narcissist. Glad I've seen this.
These people if you want to call them that arent human.
There really is good/bad in this world!.....Its takes this abuse to really kick arse!
and learn about ourselves....our own disfunctional subconsious minds......
Maybe.....We, one day can thank these men/woman we loved?....
We have all been abused by (This Love)?...why did we accept it?
They don’t have souls.
I have often felt that way about my mom. Good comment.
@@CynthiaSchoenbauer If your a empath they normally will come in droves in the form of family. Why? Because they know your a kind person and if you arent strong willed they can manipulate the hell out of you out of the false illusion of obligation. Its a trap. That has been my experience. Its like some demonic off planet psyop against you. They target your weak points and exploit it until your insane, sick, or dead. Family or not, cut them off as much as you can and run for the hills.
Proverbs 22:3 "A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.
@@Christrulesall2 Yes, no contact is pure gold advice. It sounds like you understand and are willing to be on my side. I need some people on my side. The thing is that I am strong willed and fought against it the whole time. I just did not know any different. I knew being the scapegoat was not what I wanted but no one would listen to me.
Thank you, thank you so much, this really has put many things into perspective for me!
I have to respectfully disagree with the dr, I would rather believe they can’t change than give a cluster b the opportunity to string me along in the hopes of change. If someone wants to more power to them but to me it’s wasted effort unless you’re in the field making money off the change...
Vain202version2 yes. Let the professionals deal with them. It’s too dangerous for us.
100% agree.....Have been to a senimar / Sam Vakin.....He himself said there is no cure for Narcissism.....Today he is talking about "Cold Therpay"?......
As himself understands narcissism as himself is one....Cold Therpay?
As a therapist......Its giving false hope to love ones with love for a narc?
You cannot change a personality......Leave the Narc.....dont waste engery for a loved one....The chances are.....The narc would leave...Because you know who/what they are!
Cold Therapy would be yourself giving all to the Narc....Inner Child Therapy ....It would drain youself.....You will become the parent they hate....you will allow them to project all their shit.....(and will trigger yourself...)....because yourself would off been in this relationship because off your own messed up childhood...(We all have a fucked programming from childhood)............Leave...No Contact...and Move on....Dont become your narcs emotional punch bag anymore!
I can't agree strongly enough. Victims need to get the message that it is hopeless and move on in their lives. They need identities that do not include any involvement from any kind of cluster "B's". I think it is like they have to learn their whole world over again with people and professionals specifically selected to begin to repair the damage they have had to endure to their sense of self. I have wasted a lot of time thinking I "was above" needing this kind of approach being in the counseling field myself but I was completely wrong.
Amy Kline 100% agreed!! That’s why I agree 100%.. to not only turn & run away from them..but I mean run & run the fastest you could have ever dreamed possible to run!!! These people are pure evil & 100% belong to Satan!! They are so beyond any kind of healing from God.. simply because they belong Satan!! I’ve dealt with these evil satanic god awful abusive people.. all of my life!! My mother, ex-husband, daughter, & ex-boyfriend!! They will devour you & steal your soul, identity & leave you completely depleted!! All they can do is mirror you.. they are nothing but an empty shell of a person!! So what happens is they literally take all of the good that is in you & leave/deposit in you all of there ugly insides!! It truly should be a crime that is punishable by the law!! I have much experience of being/suffering from being in a relationship with such evil!! They all are pure evil & very dangerous people.. who are so completely unable to treat with any kind of medication!! PERIOD!! For those who have experienced such evil.. don’t always believe what professionals have to say!! Always, always trust you instincts/intuition & experience!!!
I think it's probably good that professionals like therapists and psychiatrists have the desire to work with them and try to help them change. For the rest of us, in our personal and professional relationships, I recognize that all people can change, however most choose not to and I still believe in the 3 strike rule (from my quick guide 3 min video on Responding vs. Reacting). After wasting decades in relationships with manipulative people and the toxic hope that they will change, nowadays I give people a chance to reveal who they are. We all make mistakes. However, once a hurtful or manipulative behavior becomes a pattern and therefore a choice, I'm done with that person. Also if at the first time the behavior appears and I call it out, and if the person denies it, minimizes it or otherwise tries to rationalize how it was okay or worse yet turns it around on me, one strike is all it takes because they don't believe they did anything wrong. This just means it's going to keep happening.
Amazing Work. Thank you so much for this upload.
Amazing interview! I feel like I learned so much with your great questions! Thank you both!
WOW great interview/information from start to finish. Thank you for what you do < 3
Thank you Meredeth. Thank you Dr. Grande. This is a great video.💕💕
Wow, great information! Thank you so much!
Great insightfull video!! Thnx from Holland!
Nice yes Video
Excellent interview Meredith, thank you both. Would be great if you could have HG Tudor on someday too. Great work Meredith!
I watch Dr Grandes channel often, his information is brilliant, if you can, watch, because there is a lot of learning and insight ti be gained.
Their traits don’t change as they get older got 54yrs old and it gets worst with age he gets smarter how to do it more covertly with the age
Found my way here as a fan of dr grande...what a smart man
Amazing video! What a great collaboration! Xxx
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The stablizing theory is the opposite of what I've experienced with narcissistic types. They become more self destructive as they age, but harming others for ego gain remains the same.
Thank you both for an excellently informative and deep interview.
Love this. Very informational and helpful! Thank you.
Wow, this video is very informative! Very interesting that Cluster B's tend to get better with age... actually I have found the opposite to be true.
The many Cluster B's I have known got a lot worse with age.
But maybe the ones I have known are the extreme antisocials on the upper end of the spectrum (?).
The lesser narcissistic ones probably really do get better with age or they have learned other more sophisticated tactics to use people.
Who knows...
Depends on if they’re born that way or not or if they got treatment or if they substance use. I’ve borderline personality disorder. I first got it at 15 or 16 (I finished puberty at 14 and started at 9). I didn’t substance use and finished high school. I am in therapy and about to get my bachelor’s in May. I have a supportive mother (my dad was abusive). However flip the script with any personality disorder and add in little education, drugs, alcohol, low support system, and homelessness… recovery is not likely.
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No I didn't 🤔
i am diagnosed with anti social personality disorder and i strongly believe that i have factor 2 psychopathy and i feel like i need help but i cannot bring myself to get any because i find it all degrading and i am almost unable to even truthfully talk about how i feel
Fantastic video! A lot of new info I haven't heard before.
My mother factor 1 and my father factor 2. And both narcs. I should also mention both juvenile delinquents with no empathy. Freaks me out. My father was violent/physically abusive in an impulsive way (kinda like Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde) and also sensation seeking. Flies gliders doing acrobacy (with me, sharing adrenaline feeling) to this day and planes, drives cars fast (with the family in it, again he like to seek sensation with others risking his own safety and everyone's) and loves F1 and war documentaries. So this really confirms he's a sociopath. Thanks.
Nice yes video
What about attachment? Poor attachment or no attachment would take place early in life, as well. That's environmental and cb mistaken as being born that way.
"Attachment"...not a fan off this statement...
We are programmed to others subconsious minds....(Parents...etc)
We are all born pure and free off any mind control....
The unconsious collective mind.....is giving to a free mind from birth...Therefore ......
We are conditioned from Birth....This is how we understand things in a subconsious state....Google Anna Frued and defence mechanisms.....x
@@lynkent677 that's not what it means.
Cynthia Allen It is both genetic and environment..
So interesting ! Thank you for this interview. 👏🏽
I have also been watching Dr. Grande and I am grateful for you both
Very insightful, especially as a psychology student
Interesting to see it tie in with what I learned from Dr. George K. Simon, how he states that these disturbed characters (cluster B) don't really see anything wrong with their evil behavior. Dr. Grande reinforced that idea, as the research shows that they are ego syntonic (happy with themselves) and what they do with regards to how they relate to others. Because they are so ego syntonic this is why self reflection and personal insight doesn't really work when trying to counsel them from their emotional standpoints. But behavioral based therapy can work because they don't have to figure out the flaws in their happy ego syntonic ways. Even with that though, personality hardly changes but behavior does quickly change because that can be manipulative to pass the test or hopefully a true effort.
What I'd like to know is when will we take this problem seriously? Mental health professionals have figured out "dark triad" traits pretty well by now & though studies are not yet totally conclusive, we know there is a genetic component to these personality traits. Those of us who have suffered at the hands of psychopaths & narcissists know, better than anyone, the danger they pose to society at large. Psychopaths & their kin should be treated as what they are: A plague which corrodes, corrupts & disorders society...a plague that must be eliminated if the rest of us want to live in peace & have fulfilling lives (or at least a decent chance of that). I am all in favor of law enforcement & surveillance being used to permanently remove dark triad traits from the population.
Thank you Meredith and Dr. Grande. this has been so enlightening. I was wondering about general anxiety disorder which my son was diagnosed with when he was 7. Sam Vaknin says that this can look like NPD. I am confused about this. if Dr Grande might expand on this at some point, whether people with GAD are also unempathetic to some degree as Sam vaknin says. He says the only difference between NPD and GAD is that the narcissist likes himself and the person with generalized anxiety disorder. doesn't.
Sociopaths are narcissists. Not all narcs are sociopaths.
Could be.
And the same with psychopaths
Amazing interview! I love Dr Grande
Narcissistic mother has reinforced socio sibling both are worse because of the perpetual reinforcement they give each other because they live together. Good information.
Great information for a very complex subject!
@25.50 Soooo many people want to know this !!!!!!!!!! YES, they do know when they are lying !!!!! Thank you Almighty God above. This is really important to remember. ALL humans know right from wrong and true from false. It's inbuilt, it's innate, it's human. Thank you for sharing! I can have a calm moment now. Truth and light to you and yours. You have helped me in other videos too. May many good things come your way.
Hola Hermosa. . Gracias por pedir los subtitulos en Español. . Eres un Angel QUE DIOS TE BENDIGA.