Longlegs (Dead Meat Podcast Ep. 216)
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- Chelsea and James finally discuss Longlegs!
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54:58 the mirroring of the agent telling Lee he’s right under her feet in the interrogation room, while he’s also been right under her feet her whole childhood gave me chills when i realized
The opening shot of longlegs driving up to the house is done from the dolls perspective, you'll notice the camera is positioned in the passenger seat. Since long legs puts pieces of himself inside of each doll, I think that he can also see from their eyes. I think that when he tells young Lee that he has his "long legs on" it's because when interacting with the children he's usually in the doll's position and the doll is the height of the children.
Nice. 🧠🧠🧠
Agreed, and that would also suggest that Longlegs watches all of the murders occur in real time. Seems like the deeper you dig into this movie the creepier it gets!
Brilliant catch
DUDE this is so good, I've been trying to figure out wtf dude meant by long legs and this has to be the answer.
It makes so much sense. He calls himself long legs because when he's walking around as himself he's differentiating from his experience viewing from the dolls.
🤯
Very disappointed that we didn't get a post credit scene of all 28 minutes of nic cage singing
Omg with the credits rolling over him like Pearl lmfao
Neon js posted a video of Nic Cage singing an original song by Longlegs
@@Kikimikirikiit’s so good too haha that double kick on the drum tho 😩😩
i wanted it so bad lol i stayed until the screen turned black i wanted to cry 😭 i want more MUMMMAYYYYY DUDDADDDYYYY
@@Kikimikirikithat song should have gone on the credits.
*sighs*
*resets "it has been X days since the Psycho remake was mentioned in the podcast" sign*
I know 😭
😂😂😂
The minute she mentioned Gus Van Sant, I was like “where have I heard that name before? oh OH WAIT CHELSEADONT!!!!
I'm starting to think Chelsea is actually the #1 fan of Psycho 1998
Too funny!
the thing about longlegs is that it isn’t “cry-and-scream-and-shit-and-piss-your-pants-from-fear” scary, it’s “the-devil-is-real-and-he’s-under-my-skin-and-he’s-coming-for-me” scary. i think that if they didn’t lean into pure horror for the trailers then reception would be a lot less mixed than it already is, but i’m still glad that most people seem to see it for what it is, which is a really fucking solid satanic-panic thriller piece!
I’d say this, The Omen, Smile, and Hereditary are not horror movies you watch for a good time. You watch these to be creeped out.
It was way more of a police procedural than I was expecting. I was expecting more hereditary and got more silence of the lambs.
@@MurdockKloutwhat u mean? I was expecting Silence of the Lambs and got whatever this bullshit was
Watched it last night. Said a prayer before going to sleep
@@aquariussolaris2492praying doesn't do anything. God's not real
From “we’re boyfriend and girlfriend” and “we’re engaged” to “we’re married and we like to get scared together.” Is so cool to see and I’m glad to be a part of the Dead Meat family.
Are you gonna post this comment every time?
@@megas13protoI’ve literally never seen that comment before
@@Obsidian_Enigmayeah but why post it now when theyve been married for like a year? Just weird and to call themselves a part of the family... People be investing too much time and themselves into TH-camrs. It's pretty pathetic and not healthy
@@Obsidian_Enigmathis is a pretty popular comment, especially in recent videos, but I've noticed it in older podcasts too. I'd say I see this comment on every other episode (but I do not watch DM pod in episodic order, so I'm not a good example.) It's overused by fans a lot, but that just means I ignore it
@@NeonPlanesReally not that weird but 💀
another cool detail was when lee is on her phone talking to her mom the first time, and she says something about how she worries because her mom takes so long to get to the phone even though the house was small…..because she was in the basement
32:58 I kind of thought that her bosses’ insistence that Longlegs was working alone and that the case is closed was sort of an indication that he’s been anxious about his daughter’s birthday landing on that date. This sort of denial like “ok, he’s dead, I don’t have to worry about it any more” like he felt he just needed to close the case before that day and his family would be ok
this is such a good read! in hindsight, that makes so much sense for the drive to wrap up the case THAT DAY.
It would’ve been better if that were the case and was hinted at a bit better in the movie, because that would make sense
Yeah his thinking is probably he had to hold his straight edge investigator facade and not give into all the supernatural implications Lee and Longlegs were spewing.
Right!! When they said why didn’t the boss mention his daughter bday I found that interesting. Because even though he didn’t say anything in his actions it is clear sign that he is fearful for his family and daughter.
Very good catch. And sadly those dolls take so long, probably had him setup from the start of the film. And who knows what influence there is once the family/daughter is picked. So his shift to shut things down at Longlegs, which the doll would be done once they caught him, the doll might have already been delivered.
Mom wasn't always a hoarder. There's a scene in the beginning where you see the landing & I remember thinking damn, it's so *clean.* The hoarding and mental degradation starts after she makes the deal with Longlegs to save her daughter.
Your comment made me realize too that people with a basement, will usually store things in said basement, but I suppose if Longlegs is living and doing their work down there, she can’t really store anything down there.
I suppose if everybody just kept their “storaged” items in their main living area we’d all look like hoarders.
Nic Cage told Oz that a huge inspiration for Longlegs was his mom. He said he couldn't help thinking about her as he read the script. He stated that he remembered she would put cold cream on her face, then turn around to him and say, "Cuckoo!". 😅 the scene when longlegs goes in the store and interacts with the teen, him doing those weird hand motions and covering his eyes, you're basically watching Nic's mom. She would do all those things to him as a kid!
Nic Cage has been awesome for horror and I hope he does more
Actually it looks pretty creepy
Okay, as a Christian who has done full studies on Revelation and still doesn’t fully understand it, the fact that you casually said you reread Revelation to try and understand something in the movie… MAD respect. 😂
Well it's easy to read something you don't believe in. Her reading revelation "for study" is no different than you, A Christian, reading To Kill A Mockingbird for study. She doesn't really care about the deeper meanings and metaphors. She was just looking for something to tie the movie to Revelation. I doubt she actually understands anything happening in that book
Same ❤
@@NeonPlanes Still, they could have looked up like…biblical sparknotes.
@@madam-mint How are you gonna do that when you don't even know what you're looking for? You'd be better off just reading it rather than searching for it in a book of references.
Revelation is definitely my favorite Bible book. I don't think anybody truly understands it
Blair underwood’s character read as anxious to me on second watch. He can’t bring himself to talk about the child victims in detail, he mentions that going away on a Disney trip sounds like a good idea, etc. I took it as signs that he feels his family is at risk without him outright saying so. What brought that impression home for me is that he insists that longlegs is working alone and gets mad when Harper suggests otherwise. Sometimes people go into denial when they’re dreading (or are scared of) something.
Excellent catch!
I really liked him as a caring mentor figure for Lee, who's trying to do good. It's sad seeing him become a victim to the inevitable.
I also sorta theorize that Longlegs/the Devil was going after him since the beginning, maybe by planting the ball or something in his house before the doll? I need a 2nd re-watch, but I remember he gets more and more agitated as the movie goes on and when Longlegs SluiSlides, it seemed off character how he went off on Lee. I think it also explains why the family was so quick to change…tho I’m also not sure if they ever explained how long it took for the families to snap? But to me it seemed WAY too fast how quick they switched….actually just realized he was with Lee so much and was potentially triggered by HER presence/ball….🤯 I love this movie lol
See, I think he was so anxious and nervous because he knew his daughter was at risk bc of her birthday. And that’s why he got someone he thought was psychic to look at the case and why he was so adamant about Harker meeting his family. And why he was pushing Harker when the other agent kept saying “she’s not ready.” When Longlegs died, he didn’t believe there was a second killer. So he assumed his daughter was safe then.
3 things:
- The scene where Lee is looking at the bug in her mom’s house, the devil is briefly peering through the front door window behind her
- When Longlegs is in custody, the agents make a remark about him being under Lee’s feet the whole time. He was under her feet in her mom’s house as well
- Chelsea’s Longlegs intonations are spot on
Did you see the scene when Lee gets her birthday card and starts to open the card, the devil is in the doorway for a shot then it disappears afterwards
I think her boss definitely knew that his daughters bday was related to longlegs. Thats why hes so desperate to solve the case and puts a rookie agent onto the case because he ran out of leads (his partner tells him lee isnt ready). Any time lee asks about how the kids die he refuses to talk about it. When they are shown the body in the families house, Lee asks the coroner how old the daughter was. She says 9 which is the breaking point that makes Carter leave the room. Then he refuses to listen to lee when she says theres an accomplice because he wants the case to be over and his family to be safe
Aw thats even more heartbreaking
Harker’s time at the chief’s house after driving him home, was so relatable and honestly one of the funniest bits in the film. Her sitting in the daughter’s room in silence was great.
I love lee! She gives me huge autism vibes and i love it as an autistic
Her having to maintain the conversation was more tense than the scares
16:30 This makes me think of death note where ryuk (the shinigami) says he only dropped the death note because he was bored, and light just so happened to pick it up. Nothing was special about light at all, he just happened to be the one to find it.
I believe the director said that the entire plot is to make Lee kill her mother, just because the devil thinks it’s funny
That’s WILD bro like ALL THAT just for THAT????? Long term 4D chess fr fr
@@toxicsugarart2103 oh it’s unreal levels of hating
Sounds like the devil doing devil shit
Mann the devil straight up sucks
This means the devil would be a next-level troll, practically GOAT-level troll.
It's really funny to me that Chelsea thought that certain background scares were too obvious - my eyes were scanning the background of every scene because I was SURE there would be something there and I missed all of them 😂 my instincts were right, maybe my eyes are just too bad to see them lol
I thought it was kind of fun to look for any creepy things that might be hidden in the background, especially in Lee's house. The cinematography is so good and unnerving!
@@jackroberts4361 totally! I'll give it another watch after I get some new glasses, see if I can spot them lol
Same experience! I swear I was looking it the background for something but missed every sighting 😂
@@astoldbynickgerr lol I DID need new glasses so maybe get your eyes checked!
Loved the movie, I have so many thoughts. Something I felt was an undercurrent of the movie was pedophilia and grooming. The fact that Lee doesn’t remember Longlegs at all but Longlegs watched her grow up, kept her in this kid-like state as a doll, gives her a 9th birthday card. Wanting kids to stay kids, Lee’s mom being protective and yet letting this creep have access to her for her entire childhood. We don’t even see Longlegs killing kids, so I got the vibe that he wouldn’t kill, but assault groom them (especially because Kiernan Shipka’s character talks so fondly of him). The dolls themselves I feel everyone is saying it’s the devil in them, but it seems that there’s some of the kid’s consciousness in them too (we see from their POV), which to me speaks to mentally stunting, as well as the dissociation and blacking out that can occur when being abused.
I think they were trying to make Longlegs look like a more fey Charles Manson figure. He's not scary because he's physically overpowering, but because he can manipulate others to do evil. The fact that Lee's mom in her nun outfit reminded me of Manson Family member, Squeaky Fromme, seals that interpretation for me. Alicia Witt (who played the Mom) and Squeaky Fromme are both redheads. So there's that too.
I soo agree and hear you! I kept getting this like icky feeling that I couldnt place because nothing happens in that regard. But the fact that it is explicitly young daughters and their families and their birthdays, the memory stuff, the Carrie Anne vibes, and his like need to talk to little girls (like the one at the store), the DOLLLSSS, 'you ARE the dark", ect. It def has that weird vibe. Even the 'you got to grow up' from the mom reminded me of cycles of trauma and abuse. It truly adds to the eerie gross vibe of the movie, even if it's self imposed by us as an audience. It's incredible.
I think Longlegs was always using the dolls to kill even before recruiting Lee's mother, he would just deliver it himself.
But since he's off-putting and weird, having someone more trustworthy, like a nun, to deliver them instead would be more ideal
That would make sense because there wasn't an indication that he ever murdered anyone personally and he was most likely trying to give Lee her doll before her mom turned him away.
Yes spot on!
Longlegs did have the doll for lee, he’s there and says he has a gift from the church and the beginning scene is in perspective of the doll in the car. Also he says that lees mom was the seventh person to be given the option to die or help the devil
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Went into this one virtually blind and loved it from start to finish. The atmosphere is off the charts, there were so many shots of cavernous / empty spaces that had me inspecting every dark corner for weird little clues that I still managed to mostly miss on the first viewing. I did clock Ruby's birthday as playing into the finale, but chalked the other characters not stressing over it up to them being trained FBI agents who wouldn't just welcome in some weirdo on the date in question.
A detail I very much appreciated - no one in this world once suggests that Lee's psychic abilities are feigned or some sort of parlor trick. Them buying her abilities without question made it that much easier for me to accept the fact that it's thee Devil causing all this carnage as opposed to something more grounded. As for the ending, I interpreted it as there still being a bit of Satanic aura / vibe / influence on Lee, but not that she was next in line for the Longlegs job. Not sure if this is the sort of flick that's likely to produce a sequel, but I'd just be pleased as peaches to follow Agent Harker through another case. Excellent work as always!
I loved the part where Nic cage said “my legs are getting longer” and proceeded to longleg all over the place
When he finally used his famous catchphrase “it’s Longin’ time” I lost my mind
When he went, "hey I'm long leggin it here!!"
"Maybe the real Longs were the Legs we made along the way"
Yes I loved when he said “it’s long leg time!” And started legging all over the place
This line alone makes me want to see it eventually
my favorite scene in the movie is that final one at the birthday party, but the part that has really stuck in my mind was this little noise that the wife makes when i think they're talking about getting the cake. like she knows that something's wrong and she doesn't want to be saying the things that she is, but she can't do anything about it because she's being puppeteered by the devil.
YEAH it's almost like the spell hasn't fully set in yet so she knew what was coming and was just being puppeteered to it. Totally locked in to her body that was playing a part seconds before her death.
The one that really stuck with me was Cage screaming in the car. Because he had a doll of the girl at the little store. I think he was screaming for Mommy and Daddy because he was watching that little girl and her family be murdered through his other vision in the doll and mocking her dying yells because she made fun of him at the store.
@@EE-jp5ev Wait, he had a doll of the cashier?
@@johnny-bw8jn YES I didn't put it together until my second watch, but he had another doll made that looked just like the cashier girl in his workshop
@@EE-jp5ev What scene was it shown in, approximately? Will be keeping that in mind when I rewatch it on VOD/Blu-ray.
This movie rocked.
I decided on a wim to watch this to watch this late the other night. I invited a friend, said "hey I'm gonna go see the new nic cage horror movie" he said "what's it called?". I said Long legs, he said no cause he "can't handle spider shit".
After going through 100 minutes of hell I imidiatly called him and said "dude that was not about spiders".
Lol c'mon did he think Nic Cage was gonna dress as an evil spider?
@@elphaba9700 i kinda did! Went in blind but knew Nicholas cage was in it and i thought he might be like a really long stretchy dude, climbing up walls an crap 😅
@@elphaba9700 you say that as if that wouldn't be amazing
Wdym "hell" it was really good
@@nateds7326 It is Nic Cage. He'd probably make it work lol
I think we can all agree that Longlegs is destined to be a future first boot on a Horror Survivor episode
As much as I'd want to watch a whole season of him, you're right. He could probably make a good fake idol though.
LISTEN, we love the tangents. The poop knife tangent will forever live rent free in my head and that is okay with me
Which podcast is the poop knife tangent? I must know!
@@limarobin1 Unwelcome!
When Nic Cage was screaming and screeching in the car I automatically thought of Kick ass when he was getting burnt to a crisp but encouraging Hit Girl before he died.
I thought of Face/Off “I’M READDDDYYYYY! READY FOR THE BIG RIDE BABYYYYYYY!”
I said the exact same thing to my buddies I went with! Especially the “Mommmiiiiiiahh!” And they didnt share the same excitement I had with that haha
I personally found the scene of Longlegs screaming in the car to be absolutely terrifying. Like he's an old serial killer who can't lure his victims as well anymore, but you see his rage and insanity come out. It's like that girl has no idea how close she was to being murdered. Also, the scene of him just sitting on his mattress, bathed in red light. Something so scary about seeing someone so deranged alone with their thoughts. Both scenes he's dropped the crazy act and just looks mean. I found it so creepy ngl
🎵LET ME IN NOW
AND IT CAN BE NICE
MAKE ME GO NOW
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Him singing gave me chills
I've had this stuck in my head the last week lol
My personal read on this is that his singing, and strange hand jive movements, are a sort of spell to invoke the devil's influence and control others.
OR it's just a weird as shit guy who likes to sing and dance poorly. Either way. 😄
Longlegs singing is the perfect mix of hilarious and terrifying. How do you even respond to that person? Truly every customer service worker's nightmare.
I personally love when you guys go on tangents and Gressel gets involved 🖤
My friend would not stop giving me crap for jumping almost three feet out of my seat during THAT part of the opening scene.
Dude same here I wasn’t expecting that lmao 😂
i would've too are you a woman?
Which part?
@@bleepy013when longlegs bends down and it cuts to the title card
@@i.wannabe.m.e For me personally it was when she turns and he's just standing there in front of the camera. I just wasn't expecting him to be so dang close to her.
I want a thorough investigation on why there’s an Adult Ruby Carter listed in the credits. Is that possibly part of the original ending that got changed? We need answers on the blu ray! 😮💨
Me every time there's a minor inconvenience in my life: DADDYYYYYYY! MOMMYYYYYYY! UNMAKE ME AND SAVE ME FROM THE HELL OF LIVINGGGGGG!
Best title card of the year. Absolutely phenomenal horror film and I’m glad Oz Perkins is getting the recognition he deserves.
Well now that he's done a movie worth caring about, yeah, he'll get recognition.
i was sat in the cinema like "kiernan shipka or mckenna grace?" the confusion was real
THANK YOU FOR CONSTANTLY SHOUTING OUT NOPE!
Nope is in my top 10 of all time, I absolutely adore that movie.
my theory is once the doll has been brought to the house, its kind of a living host inside of the person that it was meant for, like throughout the whole movie the main character like is half braindead, she speaks slowly, and she isn't very emotional at all, then once her mom shoots the head and breaks open the silver ball, and it releases the evil, when shes driving back after the house incident at the end, shes screaming and crying in the car, which is way different than the character was the whole movie, like she was released or something like that.
I follow this theory as well, because Lee moves around her she's a puppet on strings the entire movie. If you rewatch it, watch how she moves through the world. Even when she's waking up on the bed, it's like she's having to learn how to walk and move around on her own for the first time.
The mother referred to Longlegs being dead as being "freed", following that up with "And now you are too" before shooting the doll.
I thought this was obvious
Along with the name coming from Daddy Longlegs, I’d like to posit the nursery rhyme goosey goosey gander into the discussion:
Old father Long-Legs
Can't say his prayers:
take him by the left leg,
And throw him downstairs.
Edit: Found an extended version of the rhyme:
Old father Long-Legs
Can't say his prayers:
Take him by the left leg,
And throw him down the stairs.
And when he's at the bottom,
Before he long has lain,
Take him by the right leg,
And throw him up again.
Just from a cursory glance at the Wikipedia page for this rhyme; it sounds like Father Longlegs is in reference to a priest, and I mean the parallels to Lee (doesn’t say her prayers, ends up downstairs) and Longlegs himself are apparent enough
That makes a lot of sense, especially when you consider that Mr. Downstairs is an unseen presence in the film.
How smoothly yet rigidly Molly was put on the ground made me laugh, she looked like a figurine 😂😂
On 32:35. I think Lee’s boss does know that his daughter might be the next target, but it’s not his words that show this, it’s his actions. His constant denial that Longlegs could have an accomplice seems to me like him trying to console his own worries. He constantly tells himself that Longlegs’ death means the case is over, which means that his daughter is safe. This is why he gets so angry at Lee for saying there is an accomplice. He’s in denial because he wants to believe that his daughter will be okay. He suspects that his family is next on the list, and if Longlegs has someone helping him, they aren’t safe, and he can’t handle that.
this movie felt like if an Ethel Cain song was a movie
OMG
I was fascinated by the scene where they're watching Longlegs' interrogation, post-capture, and they pause it to discuss what to do next.
The framing of that discussion, where Agent Carter is seated, head positioned right beneath Longlegs' contorted visage mid-scream, made it look like Longlegs was already screaming the devil into Carter, well before the doll arrived at the house. Terrifically shot.
There were a couple of bits that clued me into what the ending would likely be, but I was still enrapt the whole time. Loved this movie.
I LOVED that. It looked to ke like he was about to devour him. I think that still shot is the most frightening-looking shor of Longlegs.
Yeah, I wasn't paying attention to ANYTHING those characters were saying, I was just waiting for the camera to pan back to Agent Carter and for Longlegs' face to move on the paused video screen in the background...
“I’m any-percenting family murder suicide” -Chelsea
One thing I heard is Nic Cage took inspiration from his own mother for the character Longlegs, who had schizophrenia which led to her putting ointment on her face very reminiscent of the look in the movie. Also I saw someone point out Lee looks over her shoulder with the "psychic aspects" are being used, and that could be a nod to the devil on the shoulder.
Another fantastic movie and fantastic podcast episode !!!
That ending with Blair Underwood and his family was so good...and I could have sworn that before Lee shot her Mom in the head, she stood up and lunged at her saying "Don't call me that!!!" and had Longleg's face kind of superimposed on her own, and her voice sounded lower and demonic as she screamed.
As a victim of CSA the theme of overprotective parenting resonated with me a lot.... my parents never told me that was bad and that I could tell someone about it I had to figure out on my own after it happening for a long time. For that reason while the movie was fun it also kinda left me with a deep sadness for the day afterwards
I kinda had the same experience, wasn’t expecting the triggers that happened to happen. It was a great movie but still kinda hurt a little. Hope you’ve been feeling better since then *internet hug*
Some little tidbits:
I've seen a lot of people claim the sphere in the dolls is just a Phantasm reference, but I think it's a little bit more than that. They look like they're made out of uranium, which given the timeline of this film, I think it's a reference to the toxic materials that were foubd to have been used to make toys in the 70s/80s. I think him being a doll maker further solidifies that for me.
Lee's psychic like abilities was because of her connection to her doll, and it went away when her mom shoots and destroys the doll. That's also why the other girl jumped off the roof immediately after they opened the sphere in her doll. Her line about how she wouldn't ever want to forget him is very crucial to all this.
I do not believe Lee was necessarily intended to become his victim as a child. Sure he probably would've killed them had her mother refused his deal, but I think it was the plan from the start. Also the theory that he is Lee's farther is hilarious and ridiculous.
The serial killer Lee catches towards to beginning may be unrelated to the Longlegs case, but he's definitely relative to her part in the Devil's story. Her boss says the man is likely armed and dangerous and won't go quietly, but as soon as Lee enters the house he calmy surrenders without a fight. I believe he's under the same control and that he was told to spare her as she had a further part to play.
I definitely don't read the ending as her taking Longlegs' place, I think it was just the inevitable conclusion to this domino effect the devil designed. The absolute worst possible outcome for Lee happens when she's forced to kill her mother to save the girl. But Ruby isn't really the point, Lee doesn't really stop anything, she doesn't win. The ending is essentially the devil being like "Yeah, I did that."
I hate the intense questioning of "why would the devil do that, why would it care?". The whole thing with god is that it has this divine plan, everything is according to his plan. The devil is the antithesis of that; random, sporadic, chaos, because it can.
Characters like the coroner saying he thought he could hear his ex wife's voice, or Lee's mom pausing and saying she doesn't remember anything when asked about who came to visit them, is all because of the Devil's influence. Same reason why Lee can't make herself move to save her boss' wife.
I always had a more mystical explanation for what the ball was. It stems from that amazing shot after Lee shoots the doll & you have that eerie glimpse at the broken doll head & the black smoke rising out of the broken ball. Maybe it's because I was raised Catholic, but dark, black smoke like that signifies the Devil to me.
Also, whenever the College of Cardinals elects a new pope, white incense smoke means, "You get to be the new pope," but black smoke means "You don't get to be the new pope."
Speaking of Bill Clinton, he is a father to only a daughter. That freaked me out once I put two and two together.
This and Cuckoo were/are my most anticipated movie of the year and it delivered and even succeeded my expectations. Watching The Blackcoats Daughter beforehand really got me into Osgood's style and I'm super excited to see what he does next!!
I also watched Blackcoat’s Daughter the night before and it cannot be understated how well the movies pair together! I think watching that one before you see Longlegs really helps get you in the right satanic mood and more people should be doing that double feature.
So excited for Cuckoo.
Cuckoo intrigued me but I worry the trailer gave too much away (especially if you are familiar with how the bird cuckoo operates)
Hopefully Cuckoo is better, because this movie was not it for me
Umm how about Deadpool 3?
There is such as thing as a "Longlegs" patron- a stranger who sponsors someone from afar without being actively involved in their life. Its seen now as a form of grooming now but used to be a pretty common thing. When I first heard the title that's what is reminded me of. There's so many layers to this movie and I always catch different pieces with each watch. Such as the 7 people helping longlegs being the 7 heads, the 10 crowns being the 10 murdered families, and I 100% believe that the guy that was caught at the beginning was part of the longlegs plot-maybe one of the heads. Why else would he give himself up to easily to Lee? Just my theory.
Loved that little zoom in on Molly's yawn
I was so fucused on mystery side of the movie in the beginning that I didn't notice any of the devil imagery in background. That alone has me excited to rewatch this movie. I really enjoyed the eerie vibe it gave of the entire way through.
After watching a second time, I realized that during the shape recognition part in the beginning, when she's shown an inverted triangle, the first word that came to mind was father. idk what it means, but I thought it was fascinating.
So I think Agent Carter (Blair Underwood) actually was concerned about his daughter’s birthday. I think that’s why he got someone he thought was psychic to look at the case, and why he was so adamant about Lee Harker meeting his family. To see if she got anything from them. And also why he kept pushing her when the other agent kept saying “she’s not ready.” He was extremely desperate to solve the case, but when Longlegs died he didn’t believe there was another killer and assumed his daughter was safe.
What i loved about this movie is that it never lets you be comfortable. It starts with a really tense opening scene and an excellent jumpscare, and the tension never eases from there. Partly bc Lee herself never seems to be comfortable in any situation she's in. She always looks away when speaking to someone, has very tense and stilted body language; even when we see her sleeping, shes fully clothed and lying in an awkward position on a bare floor. She's never comfortable, and by extension, neither is the audience. Brilliant.
Also cuckoo is a type of bird that puts their eggs in another birds nest so that other bird feeds it, and long legs is literally being fed victim by lees mom and live in her house. I saw this theory from spooky astronauts on yt
I feel like the exchange with Ruby about her headless trophy is a bit of foreshadowing about memory loss/the dolls/Lee's doll and its sphere being destroyed.
"What happened to this one?"
"I don’t know. Her head came off and i don’t know where it is."
I think the reason lee’s mothers house is so cluttered is bc since Longlegs lives in the basement so now everything that would be in the basement is all over the house
Oh, good thought!
idk about y’all, but i feel like this is a GOOD winter/christmas watch. being from the mitten, the winter vibe just felt.. comfortable, if that makes sense
I was born and raised a Christian, and while i struggle with faith, i still try to attend church and hold true to my beliefs. Alot of this films symbolism and mood really affected me in subtle, subliminal ways. I didn't realize how badly this film disturbed me until i got home two hours later and realized my shoulders were still tense.
The biggest take away i had from this movie was the theme of good vs evil. I know that sounds very basic and cookie cutter, but hear me out. The film does a really good job exploring what exactly evil is through Longlegs and Ruth (Lee's mother). Longlegs is Evil for the sake of it, The pure sadistic joy of hurting someone, while Ruth is both Evil by corruption and coercion. She doesn't start the story Evil, but the acts she perpetrates in the name of what she perceives as good warp her into something horrible.
Despite all of this darkness, i still think this film has a bittersweet ending, (with emphasis on the bitter) and i think alot of that has to do with Lee Harker. I really related to her struggles at home. I think her weird behavior is part undiagnosed autism, part deeply repressed trauma. I think Lee represents Goodness in spite of Evil. She is a candle in a dark dark place. While it comes at a high cost, she is able to stop the killing. I think the gun jamming could be supernatural, but it could also be mundane. i also think its a metaphor for how she can't erase her or Ruby's trauma. Evil things were done to them. They have to find ways to cope with that.
Complete tangent: Nick Cage was great in this movie. Almost every scene had this perfect balance of comedy and horror. Like, he is so ridiculous that it loops around to being scary. No normal person acts like Longlegs. It makes you wonder if Longlegs is even human, or rather some demon puppeting a gollum of flesh and bone to cause misery on earth before he slams himself back into hell where he belongs. It would explain why he can't do the killings himself, imo.
That's a great interpretation! I also completely agree with Cage's acting being so ridiculous and out of place that it becomes unnerving. It was perfect for this movie!
This movie doesn't deserve that much thought
As part of the good vs. evil, it seems like the movie is saying that the Devil's greatest pleasure is forcing or tricking good people to do evil.
Nic Cage's last line of the movie, "hail satan" and just the way he delivers that line gives me chills and has haunted me ever since I saw this movie! Best horror movie of the year so far!
46:33 the crash zoom on Molly and James' subsequent horror is day-making
Story time. The night I saw Longlegs for the first time - I've seen it twice now - I woke up in the middle of that night because I had a nightmare about Nicolas Cage as Longlegs. Dude was terrifying and deserves all the praise for this role
The way Longlegs killed himself as described at 59:28 - 59:33 really reminded me of how Lealand Palmer killed himself in a similar vein in Twin Peaks (albeit less gory), which also reminded some other people too which created an interesting theory that Longlegs is in an alternate universe of Twin Peaks.
Maybe. I think Twin Peaks is in Washington, but Longlegs is in Oregon. (At least I remember seeing a cut-out map of Oregon on the wall in one scene.)
1:04:23 in this scene, I took it as being from the perspective of Lee’s mother. That’s why the woman being killed by her husband reaches out to us, because she’s reaching out for the safety of the Church. Also why the priest that comes in looks oddly towards the camera, as he’s seeing a nun but one he does not recognise
I will say, this movie was fun to see with a full audience, because people at my theater freaked out. I heard a man tell people he was with that he was gonna go home and watch a Disney movie.
I also didn’t find Nic Cage’s performance funny. I was genuinely unsettled by him. 😂 I thought that when he screamed in the car he was mimicking his victims as like a self soothing thing and it freaked me out.
I really liked it, but I'm in agreeance with the people that think they exposition dumped too much in the end and was also kinda disappointed that it was Satan. Like I'm sure there's some demon that's linked with dolls, I don't get why they'd just blanketly be like "nah, it's the devil".
And it would have been so much better if we hadn't gotten the mothers VO after she shot the doll. I get that point of it being Lee regaining her memories, but I think just showing it in flashbacks without VO or really any dialogue would have kept it kind of a mystery but given us enough to piece together what happened.
I wish they kinda left it vague and ambiguous on if the supernatural was real or not.
In such a dreamlike, uneasy movie, it’s weird to get an answer as straightforward and, dare I say, contrived as “The Devil did it”
Yeah personally I was disappointed in the movie. Like most people probably, I was expecting a more "Silence of the Lambs" type of movie, and it did not deliver. It was also over hyped as hell. The trailer was 10x scarier than the actual movie. But once Nic Cage offed himself, the movie sucked. Period.
I think the dolls could still work without there being a direct connection to the devil. It might be too complicated, but I could see the dolls having hidden speakers or something that Longlegs speaks through to influence the fathers. I like most of the elements, it's the execution (no pun intended) that could use work.
@NeonPlanes That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Saying it sucks is kind of harsh. The trailers do set up certain expectations though.
@@jackroberts4361 Yep, notice I said "personally." That shows I am speaking for myself, therefore it's just an opinion. If you don't know basic English, don't try to teach it to others.
"Press that devil smoke out!" should've been a Dad's Grass promotion.
thank you for keeping me company all these years guys - make me feel like im in a conversation and i really find it comforting
Apparently, the young lady at the front desk of the hardware store is Osgood Perkins’ daughter. So yeah nepo baby.
Third generation. Also, she calls to daddy and he's the director? 😆
I'm wondering if Lee's awkwardness was a result of her being possessed. Kind of like the character in Inheritance.
I loved the ending where longlegs was like “hail Satan” and smooches to the audience. Fun fact: Nick Cage apparently took inspiration from his own mother for this role
that ending was awful
Even more than silence of the lambs, longlegs reminds me a LOT of true detective season 1
At like 50 minutes you guys talked about how it was confusing whether or not Longlegs used the dolls before meeting Lee's mom. In the opening scene(the 4 mm one i think) we see in his passenger seat that he does indeed have a doll prepared for Lee, making me think that he had been using dolls all along, and that the inly thing keeping him from actually using it and killing Lee in the lack of a father figure. Idk what the importance of the father figure is in this context and why there must be one present for the murder to take place.
I think I felt a bit conflicted by the third act because (SPOILERS):
Edit: I don't think the use of supernatural elements was lazy or even not fitting for the movie. I liked it a lot but I was expecting something different going in.
1. The mom kinda exposition dumped the big reveal of her working with Longlegs and how it all worked. The whole third chapter actually felt a bit rushed.
2. I wasn't expecting this movie to have a supernatural conclusion. Like I spent a good chunk of the movie very engaged in the mystery of who Longlegs is and how he was involved in the killing and assumed the reveal was a more mundane reason. Then it was like "oh wait he did it all through devil magic? Oh okay." I just assumed this movie would be something else from the trailer but I don't dislike it.
I actually really want to rewatch this movie, I liked it okay the first time but I think I'll enjoy it more this time around.
For your second point, I really didn't expect that supernatural conclusion and I really didn't like it. I was also really interested in the mystery of how the killings were being done, but when it came to the point where it was just Satan, it made the score go down for me by a lot. It turned into a 4/10. I don't think I would watch it again.
I agree with you so much, I wouldve loved if there wasnt a supernatural element at all, and the mom part really felt rushed in my opinion
Completely agree
How did you not catch that it was supernatural? It was so obvious! (Genuine question, not trying to be mean)
@@xXAcidBathXx From the trailer I assumed it would be either a mundane reason or it would be ambiguous whether there were actually supernatural causes. Like we would see Lee struggling with what may or may not be delusions and such
as an afab on the spectrum i felt seen by this movie in such a lovely and refreshing way, overwhelmingly when people intentionally write a character as autistic its so offensive and stereotypical (and male), so even though it was not an intentional choice it felt very wonderful to have good representation for once! oz perkins is also one of my favorite directors and im so happy he's getting mainstream recognition for his talents!
Ur not on the spectrum. You're just weird. You're either autistic or you aren't. There isn't levels to it. That's just a thing they made up to make weird people feel better about themselves.
@@NeonPlanesevery psych disagrees with you but ok
Watch Bones and Elementary - both shows heavily feature female characters actually confirmed to be on the spectrum.
@@Polygonyall Every psychologicalist is paid to push that shit.
@@NeonPlanesoooo fight fight fight fight
A set thing I liked is most if not all the windows had something in them. I mean especially in her house. Clear, big windows had a view to something, typically trees which could hide something. Foggy windows had shadows in them. It was making me squint to try and make out a figure in any of it.
I will say that people on social media have only been calling Lee Harker a Clarice Starling variant bc she’s a girl, she clearly favors Will Graham way more!
Calling it now, Long Legs wins the 2025 Horror Royal Rumble
I would love to see the directors cut of this movie, I imagine the 3rd act drops the monologue and is probably better paced.
I saw someone make a convincing argument that Longlegs is a human who’s been possessed by the demon Baal for many years. I kind of assumed that he was a doll maker before being possessed and that’s why it’s dolls.
Additionally, I think his screaming in the car was the real Dale Cobble breaking through for a moment to cry for help.
Oh, I like this. It's like a devil pun: Ba'al/ball.
Since you guys loved this movie, I REALLY hope you will give the blackcoats daughter another chance!
There is truly nothing like getting a Dead Meat Podcast after watching an awesome movie 😊
South Park Al Gore said it best: "Why does the devil do anything? He's the freakin' devil. He's a dick."
My read on Carter (the boss) is that he very intentionally invited Lee to try to help solve the case as a Hail Mary after his task force was unsuccessful. The beginning of the movie implies Lee is still in training/a new agent (getting the door to door assignment, but also being told about the risk of it). You wouldn't have to tell veteran agents that. The other FBI agent (Browning, I think?) tells him Lee isn't ready.
Meanwhile he very illogically embraces her clairvoyance/psychic abilities instead of sending her for a psychiatry eval and suspending her lol. Implying he is desperate. Obviously he had no way of knowing it was going to be his daughter, but he knew that there was some chance, so he was pulling out all of the stop. This also explains him blowing up at her after Longlegs kills himself. It was a combination of anger (at the lost opportunity of finding the accomplice) and outward denial/reaction formation by him saying the serial killing is now over because he is dead.
49:30 longlegs made a doll for Lee. It was in the car. So longlegs was making dolls before.
Despite not loving satanic horror, Longlegs worked a lot for me, a nice combination of a serial killer thriller and this supernatural horror, one of my favourite cinema experiences this year
I say this as someone who has been ad advocate for the cinematic stylings of Nick Coppola, star of Con Air, for 25 years and who has her biggest section of her VHS collection dedicated to his filmography - Alicia Witt is the best performance in this film.
I'll add that if she got more than a three minute scene, Kiernan Shipka is also up there. Underrated "creepy kid" performance, which is weird to say because she's my age.
@@MilkyWayGrump Funny you say that, I was thinking *when* is she going to start getting adult roles? I just watched her in Twisters and she played a college aged student. I know she is 24 and that's relatively young, but she is a powerhouse actor and I cannot wait for her to be treated like the adult she is cinematically. I especially love her in The Blackcoat's Daughter.
She wasn't my favorite, but I think she plays the most complex character. You think she's not all there, but has been dealing with something this whole time. She's great at eye acting.
After watching the first 5-10 minutes of longlegs, I was just like, "Wow," great film in all aspects. It's my favourite horror film of the year for me so far.
I interpreted the ending in a kind of a bittersweet way. Lee finds herself incapable of destroying the doll, but knows that if she destroys it Ruby will become aware of what happened to her parents. Lee ends up protecting Ruby in a way despite dooming her to the fate she lived with her entire life.
I appreciated the exposition dump because I have a hard time comprehending complex stories like this in the moment, but the “murdering families” line was very on the nose.
My boyfriend and i saw Longlegs day 1 at a theater after seeing your recommendation!
The way the movie was shot had me constantly looking around the screen, expecting something to pop up in the background at any point. I love a movie that doesn't explain everything to the viewer, letting them fill in the blanks like a detective trying to solve a case.
And Nicholas Cage came in swinging again! No one plays a disturbed/crazy man like the Cage! Loved that in interviews he discussed more of his characters background, saying he used to be in a band and looks the way he does due to multiple surgeries, and is so pale because he wheres powder to try to cover the scars and discoloration.
Been so eager to hear your guys thoughts since I stepped foot out of that theater!
I think it was explained in the movie Lee got her psychic abilities from the silver orb in her dolls head and she lost her abilities after her mom shot her dolls head freeing Lee of Longlegs
just got home from watching longlegs loved every minute of it
Overall, I enjoyed Longlegs. I personally felt like the ending fell kind of flat. I think my issue was just that after all the buildup and how much I liked the movie up to the end, it was like 'thats it? It's over? Okay.' It was just abrupt and left wayyy too much on the table. I need to rewatch it but at this point, it's maybe a 3.5/5 for me
Yeah i would say it was a 3.5/5 7/10 type of movie for me. I enjoyed a lot and i love the mood and how uncomfortable the movie makes me.But i felt like there was something missing.
For sure... It wasn't what I expected, but I was gonna give it a chance. But once Nic Cage offs himself in the movie, it's just bad. He was the only unsettling part about the movie, when he wasn't just being Nic Cage singing in the car. The trailer was better than the movie IMO
@@NeonPlanesI still think it’s a 7.5/10 but yea they definitely shouldn’t have killed long legs. The character was great
@@stackbundles718 I feel you're being generous. I will rewatch it again once I don't have to pay for it, but for me, it's a 5-6/10. The trailer set it up as a completely different movie, so it was disappointing when it was really nowhere near as advertised. But now that I know what it is, like I said, I may give it another go and see how it is now that I know.
@@NeonPlanes This is why I don't watch trailers. They either spoil the movie or create false expectations.
Longlegs was a trippy, unsettling film. I loved it.
in an interview Oz said Lee's story is wrapped up with the climax being her killing her mom. the devil orchestrated all these events throughout the years just to mess with the families and have her take out her mom. shows how evil the devil is just targeting them for fun. but yeah she doesnt get possessed or anything, she was forced to shoot her boss and her mom which was most tragic. in the end the devil won
Am I the only one who thinks there might not be a super deep meaning to this movie? I honestly felt like it was kinda simple (in a good way). I didn’t leave the theater confused, which I usually do for complex movies. The devil, with help from Longlegs and Lee’s mom, possesses fathers to kill their families - Lee tries to stop them. I think that might be it, and it was so so good. There doesn’t always need to be more imo.