Thank you so much for highlighting my channel! And thank you, Chelsea, for reading my book! It made me so happy to hear what you thought of it :) It was so fun to listen to this episode, thanks! 🎉
I’m so glad they brought up your channel! I’ve been out of the LDS church for 18 years now. Best decision I made. I love listening to your viewpoints, opinions and breakdowns of the church. Keep it up!
That unexpected Heretic "It's Dead Meat" shook me, haha. I was not ready for it at all. It felt like sneezing by yourself and hearing someone say, "Bless you!" Haha
@@7_ty_ no I agree, but there was a lot of guessing what we believe and do without a full knowledge. Also only viewing exmormon content to learn is very one-sided information
What I love about the ending of this movie is that you can see it one of two ways. James and Chelsea view it as Sister Paxton dying, but the other viewpoint is that there truly was an “unbelievable” miracle and Sister Paxton came back to life and saved Sister Barnes. I think the butterfly at the end represents the choice to believe. The ending essentially poses this question: despite all available evidence of the contrary, do you still choose to believe that Sister Paxton was resurrected? Incredible ending.
I at first saw it that way of her having a dying dream, just cause I didn't believe that Sister Paxton could come back to life especially for a film that seemed to ultimately have no supernatural elements. It seemed contrived to me, but thinking about it on that exact level it actually does totally fit as a refutation of what Reed was trying to do all through the movie.
I came to the comments to say the same thing! Although I didn’t think sister Barnes came back to life exactly. I just assumed she had managed to stay alive somehow until that moment, which in itself could also be seen as a miracle. I felt the butterfly at the end could have been either Sister Paxton being dead all along, or it could have been sister Barnes saying she was still with her as she heard Sister Paxton say she would come back in this way earlier, but overall as you said, I felt it was the films way of saying that you get to choose what you believe the truth of that moment to mean.
And people have totally survived shit like that at least for a bit. It’s amazing what the human body is capable of when it’s fighting hard and the person has unfinished business
@@rjcommentary4580 But when movies depict this, people lose their minds and go on about "unrealistic", "no stakes", "plot armour". This film saved itself from that at least because it set up the whole "miracle" angle and implied a potential unreality to itself also.
@@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168no fr. It also just pisses me off when people get mad about it being unrealistic. It’s a movie, you have to suspend your disbelief for at least some parts of it for it to make sense. It’s very possible sister Barnes was simply clinging to life, and used the last of her strength to save Sister Paxton before succumbing to her wounds
Fun facts, as an ex Mormon from Utah born and raised, the whole no coffee thing was legitimately the first thing that started to sway my belief as no matter who I asked for an answer, I couldn’t get a straight one, not even from my stake president parentheses pretty much the highest position you can reach short of going to the big dogs. I would ask why hot chocolate is okay if it’s a “hot drink” thing, and how soda was okay if it’s a “caffeine thing” and yet the healthiest of all of them (coffee AND tea! Lots of people don’t know all tea but herbal is banned too) is forbidden
I’m an ex-mo from SLC and I heard this great argument growing up where an LDS woman was speaking on the radio, saying they needed a higher tax on cigarettes and booze, due to their unhealthy nature. A man got on to debate with her talking about the LDS’ relationship to sugar, soda and sweets and if they should tax anything, it should be sugar! The amount of health problems it brings up because people use it as a substitute for booze and cigarettes as a vice due to the church was a very visible.
The "prayer is taking the time to think of you" is just how i feel about prayer and I'm Christian. I dont care if you pray to a different god or deity, if you pray for me i deeply appreciate it. When my mom had cancer I asked if anyone was the type to pray if they could do pray for mom, as I found great comfort knowing people where caring and wanting my mom to get better. She sadly did pass but it was also comforting knowing people were praying for me to handle my grief properly in time. Even if prayer doesnt work, the time and energy people put into a prayer gives me comfort
Prayer is an appeal to an authority with an independent will. It is not a magic spell and therefore judging “if it worked” in a study like this is flawed on a number of levels.
@@TrekBeatTKnot sure if you read their whole comment, but they aren’t talking about studying or proving prayer at all. They’re simply saying it’s a nice sentiment and it’s nice to feel heard, even if it’s just by other people. Atheists are allowed to use their imaginations too ya know
@@TrekBeatTKThis attitude is what turns a lot of folks off religion. Their Mom died, you don’t have to say “Um, actually God decided not to listen to those prayers and let her suffer.”
That’s a very nice way of thinking. I think prayer bothers me when it’s something someone could tangibly effect on their own (helping the poor, etc.) but I’ll try to take your attitude from now on.
@@beamish1987 that’s not what I said. And it wasn’t directed at OP. It was about the idea suggested in the film as ti why prayer does or doesn’t “work”. While I don’t agree that prayer is JUST a way of saying “I’m thinking of you”, telling someone you’re praying has that element and has merit in that capacity. My point was more that just because we don’t always see outcomes we want doesn’t mean we don’t pray, as there’s no harm in asking. Prayer also has therapeutic qualities in just telling God “this is how I feel right now”.
James' journey from wondering if Hugh Grant was perhaps unfairly cancelled, to being absolutely incensed when reminded he cheated on Elizabeth Hurley, was truly inspiring.
I'm Mormon and I watch Dead Meat. I do like horror movies and I don't necessarily hide it. For us, there's a lot of stuff that is not necessarily "wrong" and plenty that are recommendations. Like there's no rules saying "you cannot watch rated R movies" but many people in the church believe that that is a thing. I personally don't care about swearing (my parents have sailers' mouths), violence/gore doesn't bother me, and I avoid nudity out of respect for my wife (definitely the hardest to avoid with movies... Especially horror). I occasionally convince my wife to watch things with me. Her favorite one recently was Totally Killer. So thanks guys! Last note, I also served as a Missionary in Ecuador from 2008-2010. Chelsea did great research on missionaries and I don't recall any misinformation. I had a lot crazy/scary things happen while I was there: Brazilian wandering spider entered our house late at night (arachnophobes DO NOT GOOGLE), came across a pit viper on the side of the road, was robbed at knifepoint, threatened and approached by gangs, etc. The absolute scariest thing I remember, was like the crackhead version of heretic. This guy invited us to come into his house, and he had weird vibes. He had on a Washington Redskins jersey and I was like, nah he likes us gringos. We're ok. Walk in and the dude bolted all 7 locks on his door. Sus. We get settled in and he busts out a line of coke snorts it. First real life siting for me. He then goes on a coke fueled rant mostly about how the Exorcist is real and how Linda Blair is still possessed (the actual actress and not her character) and Dante's inferno. Then someone sounds like they're trying to breakdown the door and they start shouting "policía!". Original dude who brought us into the house pulls out a gun and says "we've now entered the 7th layer" I'm losing my mind. Then a guy pops his head by the window and it turned out to be a prank on the guy who just did a line of coke. He was still hesitant, but that's when I stepped in and was like "you did it! You found Jesus!" He was like "I did?... I did!" Thanked us and we left.
As someone who used to be Mormon, this whole movie was so much fun to watch, and the podcast as well felt so informed on beliefs that truthfully, I barely remember having at this point. The point of having to google things to be able to follow spoke with me so much, I still remember times of not really being sure what I was “allowed to do” or hearing things that one Mormon would say we could, and another said we couldn’t. In that very same vein (pun intended) I remember hearing about how if Mormons do get sent on a mission to Las Vegas that they can go everywhere but the strip or else they basically immediately get sent home, and I can never find anything that confirms that online, or in person asking people from Vegas who are Mormon. Truly a wonderful movie and podcast episode
I had to tell my Grandma (who hates horror) she wouldn't like this movie despite Hugh Grant as it was getting closer to it's release date. Guess who called asking about "that movie starting with H"? 😅 We ended up seeing Heretic together and yeah she thought it was "okay". Power of Hugh Grant yall!
Non-Mormon Christian here: To me, the interesting thing about the bleak ending is that whether or not it is bleak is your choice. Do you choose to believe the happy ending you’re seeing with your own eyes, or the dark ending that logic suggests? Ultimately, your chosen interpretation only affects your experience.
I chose to see it as a bittersweet happy ending. My interpretation was she did indeed get out and she believed in her delirium she saw a butterfly that was Sister Barnes. But my big issue with the movie was that Paxton even went back down and got herself stabbed. She totally could have escaped. I hate when horror movies just kill everyone. Final girls are a trope for a reason!
Chelsea talking about going down the exmo secret lives of Mormon wives rabbit hole is so relatable. I immediately knew she was talking about Alyssa because she has been taking over my algorithm.
Same! I didn’t even watch the Secret Lives show, I’ve just always been so intrigued by ex-cult and ex-religious content. Alyssa is awesome! So is Ex-Mo Lex!
The movie is set in Boulder, CO! I live there and was surprised to see familiar street names/ local sites. The rainbow intersection Chelsea mentioned is on Pearl Street.
Ex-mo here, and I appreciate how respectful and informed this discussion is surrounding the Mormon church, often these conversations devolve into just calling Mormonism a fringe cult. Also, justas a small fact check, missionaries get to call home nearly every week on their "P-Day," which is a day to handle any non-missionary work, like doing laundry, cleaning, etc. I talk to my sister every week on Monday, who is on a mission in Kansas rn.
If you don’t mind me asking… What made you leave the church? You seem to still have a lot of respect for it and a desire to preserve its image. Why leave if you still have such a fondness for it?
@charliebrown1796 no worries, I don't mind at all! Simply put, I'm agnostic and don't believe in any specific teachings from any organized religion. However, I feel that most of the "cult" criticisms that are applied to the Mormon church are unfair, as they can be applied to nearly any Abrahamic religion. For example, why are garments weird, when a yamaca or hijab aren't? Or the word of wisdom (abstaining from coffee, tobacco, or tea), when other religions have restrictions like eating pork or meat on Fridays? There are very few practices that you can't find parallels with in other religions, so it seems hypocritical to call out Mormonism specifically. I have plenty of family and friends still in the church, and don't feel like it should be treated like a monolith when you don't do the same with other Christians, Muslims, or Jews. This is a problem I frequently have when discussing the church with other nonmembers, especially other ex-mormons. I think resorting to "it's a cult, Reeeee!" Is insanely reductive. That isn't to say I think the church is without criticism. One of the main reasons I began deconstructing my religious beliefs in general was how the Mormon church spoke about LBGTQ+ folks and how sexist some of the teachings were. The more I looked at it though, I found that most of those same criticism can be applied to religion across the board, not just within Mormonism. But I don't think that gives free license to shit on any religion; I simply just don't believe what they believe.
I have a theory about the hallways that Sister Paxton goes through besides the Inferno reference. Mr Reed has been vocal about his desire to find the one true religion. He started his argument with the big three monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Monotheism, is a recent trend on the timeline of religious history. So when Sister Paxton is going through the hallways she's tracing the history back. She's going back through the polytheism and animism parts of religious history. Until she reaches the end of finds what Mr Reed to be the first true religion of control. That's just how I saw the scene play out
My favorite part of this movie is you expect this entire time for these girls to give up on their religion or for you to feel bad that they are religious and they never cross that in a beautiful way the end with her saying prayer is people taking the time to think of you is just showing that it doesnt matter she is happy with her religion and that doesnt hurt anyone
Right? I loved that, too. Because I’ve come to realize as an adult that in many ways it doesn’t matter if you’re religious or not, as long as you’re treating people morally.
55:20 James getting comically angry, for a second I thought it was just at Hugh for cheating (in the 90s) which yeah cheating isn't good, but the clarification that it's because he cheated on Elizabeth Hurley is amazing because yes, how do you snag her but then decide that you want to do anything with anyone else? Man at least had decades to recognise that fumble, the biggest fumble of the 90s. James's anger at that is funny.
exmo from utah, and i can answer a few questions: - there are starbucks here, especially in northern utah. capitalism finds a way! - mormons are not supposed to drink according to their word of wisdom, but in northern utah(specifically around the salt lake area) there is a sort of casualty around the rules. that casualty appears EVERYWHERE in the religion, including with drinking either alcohol or coffee, and a casualty with garments. - i LOVED seeing heretic, it was super interesting to see such a religious discussion and to see mormon missionaries portrayed as not just blinded by religion, “oh i’ll just pray and god will help me out” kind of heroes. it was a very interesting watch and very entraining. i also appreciate how much research chelsea did towards mormonism! and that she shouted out alyssa grenfell! her content has been helping me through my own deconstruction from mormonism to atheism and it’s nice to hear her get some love here.
Just now, watching this podcast, am I realizing that Topher Grace was Elder Kennedy. I've seen this movie twice in theatre and Im just know learning this 🤣
1:13:56 i can’t speak on mormon beliefs or upbringing, but i was raised catholic, went to catholic schools most of my life, etc. and we were very much taught that birth control was bad/sinful. my high school started a program integrating laptops for all of the students my sophomore year, i distinctly remember finding out about the contraceptive implant outside of school, and one day in class it crossed my mind and i decided to look it up out of curiosity-i was surprised to find that many of the search results were blocked for containing “sexual education”. not “porn” or “adult content”, they straight up blocked SEX ED. so i can totally see how hugh grant’s character would’ve assumed that the girl was so sheltered that she wouldn’t know that it was a birth control implant. but as we saw at the beginning, with the internet, even folks who may have grown up sheltered in their faith/beliefs can still learn about all kinds of things
I know you poo-poo'd the idea of two releases today on the Monday livestream, but honestly this is perfect for me languishing away at work while practically everyone I know is off.
I'm practicing LDS and you've gotten a lot of information correct. Another fact, guy missionaries also cannot enter a house that just has one woman in the house just like the missionaries in the movie couldn't enter with just Hugh Grant's character in the house without his wife. Also here's some more info from what Chelsea shared. Missionaries can now call their families every week instead of emailing every week and video calling Christmas and Mother's Day. With the Endowment the procedures and what happens in the ceremony are open to learning from the public. The LDS church has a video explaining the garments and what they look like as well. You wear the garments except when bathing, sex, swimming, and for medical reasons too. In Utah there is all kinds of coffee shops including Starbucks and other coffee chains. Also, there aren't any rules about LDS not able to watch horror. There's just general guidelines to watch stuff that's comfortable for you or is uplifting. It's like how there's types of horror that you like or don't like
Also practicing LDS, and I was pleased to see Chelsea go the extra mile to research the religion. There’s things she got wrong here and there (you go on A mission, not “go on-mission,” for example), but they’re stuff that any reasonable person wouldn’t know unless they grew up in the culture. I’d give her an A- at the VERY least. I’m also still waiting for someone to point out how Topher Grace’s “Elder” character is a total misrepresentation of how missionary leadership works. In many ways, he was characterized like a Catholic priest, the lone guy taking care of a single church, with local missionaries reporting to him each night. And that’s, uh, not it at all 😂 Really the only part of the movie that failed the “are they portraying my religion accurately” smell test for me. And hey, glad to see another LDS Christian horror fan in the comments!
@scottlovesmoviestoomuch Thanks for the response! I've heard that Topher Grave's character could have been the local mission leader, the local person who coordinates with the missionaries in the area, since he was by himself. Another could be that he was a service missionary too. I definitely agree. Before Dead Meat, I only liked the Universal horror movies or Goosebumps but after coming across Dead Meat when they were playing he Friday the 13th game, they have expanded my horizons a lot
As someone who was a Mormon missionary, I cannot tell you how many times I was in that exact situation. When Sister Paxton was trying to do the whole routine of “Ok, I appreciate you’re very smart. If I tell you what you want to hear, can I leave?”, I REALLY felt that.
Ex Mormon here born and raised in Utah county. I went on Thursday night previews and was hardly able to find two seats together for my girlfriend and I. For a small budget R rated religious horror film to be filling theaters completely is unheard of and it was so wild to see how many people showed up JUST because it is Utah. It was a slightly awkward viewing experience. People didn’t know when to laugh and seemed uncomfortable. Also I am impressed with how much Chelsea seems to know about the weird practices of the LDS church. And yes, they do believe they will have their own planet one day and will be their own god.
I had a Mormon best friend for 14 years, and I remember her pitching that to me. We were both fantasy illustration enthusiasts, we had our own stories we were working on, and then bam. I could make my fantasy world real if I joined the church. I just said "Okay" and changed the subject. How 'bout them tapirs, right?
When James and Chelsea explained their beliefs and she then simmered down to cat into an apartment I breathed a sigh of relief. It was comforting. Particularly because I watched this and got emotional when she explained her near death experience because it was the same kind of thing that I experienced in 2015. Not with Taco Bell but trying to find faith & finding a wall every time when I too had a near death experience. I appreciate the crazy a parasocial things you guys gave me. Dead Meat, you guys are awesome. THANK YOU!
As a Utahn/Salt Laker born-and-raised (but also part of the non-Mo population of SLC), this has been such a wild episode discussion. Unexpected mention of Swig and its ilk made me laugh
Alyssa Grenfell is fabulous! I'd also like to recommend Jordan & McKay, they're ex-mo as well and do a lot of commentary on Mormon culture, especially the pervasiveness of Mormon influencers/vloggers.
I finally got to watch this (pretty wine buzzed) and when that diorama shot happened I was literally YELLING at the screen “OH MY GOD GO OFF WOW THAT WAS INCREDIBLE” 💀
Spoilers!! One other thing that could contribute to the Paxton is dead theroy is the song playing over the end credits. Its a cover of Knocking on Heaven's Door -sung by Sophie Thatcher. Which is about someone dying. It could be another tie to Reed's argument about adaptation. Since The original was done by Bob Dylan, but the most famous cover is by Gun's and Roses
Delighted to see you two cover this, as it's making a late play to be one of my favorite movies of the year. Can't recall any other film I've seen where so much of the threat comes through dialogue and discussion as opposed to physical violence. As you noted, the three leads are top notch, and I've got my fingers crossed that they'll all continue to do genre work. Agree about the section in the basement causing the momentum to flag a bit, the introduction of the living prophet had me scratching my head until the truth revealed itself. Far as the ending is concerned, my interpretation was much more literal, but the one you suggested certainly makes sense given everything that happened beforehand. Semi-related, I don't know if you'd classify it as an iteration or just plain old coincidence, but it surprised the hell out of me to hear The Air that I Breathe pop up in a trailer for Saw X not too long before it rolls out as the unofficial anthem for this story. Excellent work as always and Happy Thanksgiving!
As a current member of the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints I want to thank you guys for investigating and respecting my religion!(If anyone has any questions about the church I’d be more than happy to answer!)
Grew up in Utah. My childhood as a non-Mormon was rough. Other kids were purposefully not friends with me once they found out that I wasn't part of the church.
Ex-Mormon here. Went on my mission to Ukraine. It was awful. But just want to type this comment as the video goes on to answer some questions. On your mission you are assigned to go where they ask you to go. You have a companion and the sight and sound rule is true. You and your companion are assigned an area. Missions are 18 months for women and 2 years for men. Every 6 weeks is a "transfer". That's when you find out if you're staying in your area and with your companion, getting a new companion, or are changing areas. The longest I was in one area was 4 transfers. I had two different companions in that time. You have no idea what is going to happen before your endowment in the temple and it was very very strange. It's basically a ceremony where you watch a video about Adam and Eve, and make a lot of covenants and commitments to the church. You also learn a lot of secret handshakes but that's too much to explain. It's fucked up though and so much pressure to put on someone that young. The garments are basically clothing to remind you of those covenants. Garments are encouraged to be worn at all times, but swimming is fine. Also, exercising is a grey area too. After your initial endowment, you go to the temple to do it for the dead in their place.
Heretic was a movie that surprised me with it's quality! I am NOT a film buff, I am an inexperienced horror movie fan who loves visiting the cinema...and from seeing Terrifier 3 on the big screen and seeing Heretic advertised, for me, it lived up to the hype I felt when imagining Hugh Grant in a horror movie
Fantastic episode y'all! Thank you for the in-depth discussion. I came in excited to hear your thoughts on the movie and left with new ideas about death (that cat analogy from Chelsea was really interesting) and an exploration of the current purpose of religion. Just wonderful all around. Seriously, thank you. Happy Thanksgiving!
He knew that the doorbell would ring because they had not reported back to the church, which is why Topher Grace had come looking for them when the storm started to get worse. Also love the Zero Escape reference
Go back and watch Alyssa's analysis! She nails it. Also, that closing song is not about death, but leaving the police force and feeling like one is dying. To have everything be a death dream post-stab just doesn't fit...
I'm not mormon, but I live with a view of THE mormon temple here in England. I've always had a complicated relationship with them, we're family friends with Mormons, I go to football at their campus every Saturday. But as a young gay guy, you can quickly feel alienated and estranged when they try to convert you or invite you to their church. They are the friendliest people I have met yet are the people I'm most scared of knowing my sexuality. I have a lot of sympathy and respect for them, but I'm also reminded like "they would abandon their gay/trans child for the church almost immediately." So this movie is cool asf to me as a deep dive into their culture
I found Alyssa when I was perusing youtube for people's thoughts on this movie and I thought her video was an amazing analysis! I was so excited to hear Chelsea mention it 😊
As an exmormon, hearing Chelsea talk about the garments and about swimming reminded me of when I was like 12 and a sister missionary told me Satan is the lord of water and that swimming is an invitation to allow Satan to possess you. I asked her how we are supposed to bathe ourselves or drink water and she started stuttering and called me disrespectful. I knew then that the church was bs.
I really enjoyed Heretic as an Truely tense Psychological Thriller. Hugh Grant should be in the running for awards season for his amazing performance in this but considering the snobby the Oscars are but that is an long shot I hope happens
I grew up in Missouri and went to school near were Joesph Smith was killed, I'm so use to hearing Mormon terms I was like what do you mean you don't know what mission is or the special mormon underwear. I'm not even Mormon but grew up around a lot of Mormons and ex Mormons. We have a lot of Mormons since the holy land is in Independent where my family lived before we moved to middle Missouri
When you guys talked abt That 70s Show and the cast and were like, "[...] its bc Topher Grace is the only normal one" reminded me of the fact that he is married to a girl from my middle of nowhere hometown 😂 y'all also briefly mentioned Adam Driver and he is also from my area lmfaoo
Yeah I 100% agree SPOILERS: Once they got downstairs I was shopping they’d be pushed through a huge maze or something, but I also kinda like what they do so idk.
needed to comment that i volunteered twice at sundance and was placed in park city utah and starbucks and coffee shops in general seemed to close SUPER EARLY and it always pissed me off bc i was always running low on battery by 7pm and thats when they closed 🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲
Exmormon here, I honestly really respect you guys for not saying the religion is an outright cult, it’s one thing that always detours me from engaging in people talking about LDS stuff. I also appreciate you guys saying a lot of the reason people are a part of a religion is because of the communal aspect. From my experiences the people were so nice and non judgmental for the most part
That’s the one thing I dislike about Alyssa’s channel, is that she seems to have hone down the “all religion is bunk” path, which is sad. The community of religion is also true, which is why you have groups like the UUs that are Christian in name only and is mostly just community without shared beliefs. It’s also why certain political and social movements have taken in more religious characteristics of late.
I had a friend of a friend who was Mormon and he went on his mission trip after highschool and went to RUSSIA where it is literally illegal to recruit for religions and so he ended up getting arrested and later luckily released but yeah dude got fucked on that lotto
my childhood best friend and his family were mormons and didn’t even know until early 20s when he would do mission trips. he is now ex mormon and fronts a hardcore band, so that rules haha check out SLUG.
Fun fact about the Mormons, they got booted to Utah, then they found mountains of gold, and Colorado annexed the Best parts. Leaving them treasures like salt lakes.
The song “the air that I breathe” is the song that is played in the saw x trailer and I thought it was such a nice coincidence because to me heretic is just religious jigsaw💀
I went to one of the smell-o-vision screenings! Even if I ended up not really liking the movie very much, it was a fun gimmick and I could feel William Castle in the theater with us.
Also, she definitely lives. She has the strength to make it out the window. She's notified people of her location, and she sees what in her mind would be one of her dead loved ones (sister Barnes) coming back as a butterfly to comfort her. People are going to believe what they're going to believe them see signs everywhere they look in death, hallucination, etc.
5:47 I also found Alyssa Grenfell’s channel recently, through a video about Heretic no less! Another great channel if you wanna look into ex-Mormon perspectives is Jordan and McKay!
I am a current member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints, and i am very appreciative of how sensitive and informed you are and how you don't present things as being certainly the way you feel about it. That's part of why I've been off fan of y'all for a while. One point of clarification i have is that there is a big difference between "Mormon culture" and the church's doctrine. Unfortunately the culture does overtake the religion in teachings and practice too often, but that is not the case in every congregation and certainly is not what the core of the religion, in truth, is. As always, loved this episode and i always love listening to the podcast as i work!
Thank you so much for highlighting my channel! And thank you, Chelsea, for reading my book! It made me so happy to hear what you thought of it :) It was so fun to listen to this episode, thanks! 🎉
I’m so glad they brought up your channel! I’ve been out of the LDS church for 18 years now. Best decision I made. I love listening to your viewpoints, opinions and breakdowns of the church. Keep it up!
That unexpected Heretic "It's Dead Meat" shook me, haha. I was not ready for it at all. It felt like sneezing by yourself and hearing someone say, "Bless you!" Haha
Samesies hahaha
same 😅 my sister had it on the tv and i was zoned out and then BOOM! jumpscare
I wasn't looking at the screen heard something unfamiliar and I replayed the intro 😂😂
I really like thinking about the career's evolution of Hugh Grant, from romantic british comedy.....to this stuff 😂😂😂
Ex-mormon here, really impressed and appreciative of how informed you are on this Chelsea!
She really does a great job at making the effort to do the research on the podcast. She’s amazing
As an active member I felt there could have been a lot more research and nuisance to what she claimed we believed
@@joepa14ray60They didn’t say anything inherently wrong about Mormonism though.
@@7_ty_ no I agree, but there was a lot of guessing what we believe and do without a full knowledge. Also only viewing exmormon content to learn is very one-sided information
@joepa14ray60 she's not a mormon, it's valid she didn't have all the information, she's never lived it
What I love about the ending of this movie is that you can see it one of two ways. James and Chelsea view it as Sister Paxton dying, but the other viewpoint is that there truly was an “unbelievable” miracle and Sister Paxton came back to life and saved Sister Barnes. I think the butterfly at the end represents the choice to believe. The ending essentially poses this question: despite all available evidence of the contrary, do you still choose to believe that Sister Paxton was resurrected? Incredible ending.
I at first saw it that way of her having a dying dream, just cause I didn't believe that Sister Paxton could come back to life especially for a film that seemed to ultimately have no supernatural elements. It seemed contrived to me, but thinking about it on that exact level it actually does totally fit as a refutation of what Reed was trying to do all through the movie.
I came to the comments to say the same thing! Although I didn’t think sister Barnes came back to life exactly. I just assumed she had managed to stay alive somehow until that moment, which in itself could also be seen as a miracle. I felt the butterfly at the end could have been either Sister Paxton being dead all along, or it could have been sister Barnes saying she was still with her as she heard Sister Paxton say she would come back in this way earlier, but overall as you said, I felt it was the films way of saying that you get to choose what you believe the truth of that moment to mean.
And people have totally survived shit like that at least for a bit. It’s amazing what the human body is capable of when it’s fighting hard and the person has unfinished business
@@rjcommentary4580 But when movies depict this, people lose their minds and go on about "unrealistic", "no stakes", "plot armour". This film saved itself from that at least because it set up the whole "miracle" angle and implied a potential unreality to itself also.
@@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168no fr. It also just pisses me off when people get mad about it being unrealistic. It’s a movie, you have to suspend your disbelief for at least some parts of it for it to make sense. It’s very possible sister Barnes was simply clinging to life, and used the last of her strength to save Sister Paxton before succumbing to her wounds
Fun facts, as an ex Mormon from Utah born and raised, the whole no coffee thing was legitimately the first thing that started to sway my belief as no matter who I asked for an answer, I couldn’t get a straight one, not even from my stake president parentheses pretty much the highest position you can reach short of going to the big dogs. I would ask why hot chocolate is okay if it’s a “hot drink” thing, and how soda was okay if it’s a “caffeine thing” and yet the healthiest of all of them (coffee AND tea! Lots of people don’t know all tea but herbal is banned too) is forbidden
I’m an ex-mo from SLC and I heard this great argument growing up where an LDS woman was speaking on the radio, saying they needed a higher tax on cigarettes and booze, due to their unhealthy nature. A man got on to debate with her talking about the LDS’ relationship to sugar, soda and sweets and if they should tax anything, it should be sugar! The amount of health problems it brings up because people use it as a substitute for booze and cigarettes as a vice due to the church was a very visible.
THE 'EX-SQUEEZE ME' took me so offguard
Same here!!😂💯
Can't believe how well that fit into talking about that Hugh anecdote.
I unfortunately already knew about it because a review that I read spoiled it (seriously, why do people put spoilers in written reviews???) 😡
@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168 Indeed it did🤣
@@LockeDemosthenes2 Because they do🙃
The "prayer is taking the time to think of you" is just how i feel about prayer and I'm Christian. I dont care if you pray to a different god or deity, if you pray for me i deeply appreciate it. When my mom had cancer I asked if anyone was the type to pray if they could do pray for mom, as I found great comfort knowing people where caring and wanting my mom to get better. She sadly did pass but it was also comforting knowing people were praying for me to handle my grief properly in time. Even if prayer doesnt work, the time and energy people put into a prayer gives me comfort
Prayer is an appeal to an authority with an independent will. It is not a magic spell and therefore judging “if it worked” in a study like this is flawed on a number of levels.
@@TrekBeatTKnot sure if you read their whole comment, but they aren’t talking about studying or proving prayer at all. They’re simply saying it’s a nice sentiment and it’s nice to feel heard, even if it’s just by other people. Atheists are allowed to use their imaginations too ya know
@@TrekBeatTKThis attitude is what turns a lot of folks off religion. Their Mom died, you don’t have to say “Um, actually God decided not to listen to those prayers and let her suffer.”
That’s a very nice way of thinking. I think prayer bothers me when it’s something someone could tangibly effect on their own (helping the poor, etc.) but I’ll try to take your attitude from now on.
@@beamish1987 that’s not what I said. And it wasn’t directed at OP. It was about the idea suggested in the film as ti why prayer does or doesn’t “work”. While I don’t agree that prayer is JUST a way of saying “I’m thinking of you”, telling someone you’re praying has that element and has merit in that capacity. My point was more that just because we don’t always see outcomes we want doesn’t mean we don’t pray, as there’s no harm in asking. Prayer also has therapeutic qualities in just telling God “this is how I feel right now”.
James' journey from wondering if Hugh Grant was perhaps unfairly cancelled, to being absolutely incensed when reminded he cheated on Elizabeth Hurley, was truly inspiring.
Haha I still hate Hugh for that
A Podcast and a Kill Count released at the same time? It must be Thanksgiving because we're eating good.
I'm Mormon and I watch Dead Meat. I do like horror movies and I don't necessarily hide it. For us, there's a lot of stuff that is not necessarily "wrong" and plenty that are recommendations. Like there's no rules saying "you cannot watch rated R movies" but many people in the church believe that that is a thing. I personally don't care about swearing (my parents have sailers' mouths), violence/gore doesn't bother me, and I avoid nudity out of respect for my wife (definitely the hardest to avoid with movies... Especially horror).
I occasionally convince my wife to watch things with me. Her favorite one recently was Totally Killer. So thanks guys!
Last note, I also served as a Missionary in Ecuador from 2008-2010. Chelsea did great research on missionaries and I don't recall any misinformation. I had a lot crazy/scary things happen while I was there: Brazilian wandering spider entered our house late at night (arachnophobes DO NOT GOOGLE), came across a pit viper on the side of the road, was robbed at knifepoint, threatened and approached by gangs, etc. The absolute scariest thing I remember, was like the crackhead version of heretic. This guy invited us to come into his house, and he had weird vibes. He had on a Washington Redskins jersey and I was like, nah he likes us gringos. We're ok. Walk in and the dude bolted all 7 locks on his door. Sus. We get settled in and he busts out a line of coke snorts it. First real life siting for me. He then goes on a coke fueled rant mostly about how the Exorcist is real and how Linda Blair is still possessed (the actual actress and not her character) and Dante's inferno. Then someone sounds like they're trying to breakdown the door and they start shouting "policía!". Original dude who brought us into the house pulls out a gun and says "we've now entered the 7th layer" I'm losing my mind. Then a guy pops his head by the window and it turned out to be a prank on the guy who just did a line of coke. He was still hesitant, but that's when I stepped in and was like "you did it! You found Jesus!" He was like "I did?... I did!" Thanked us and we left.
That's some quick thinking there.
I'm a member of the Church too! Glad to know there are more members out there who love horror too!
Member here and Horror fan as well
Dude holy shit lmao
@@devmmm8617 what?
As someone who used to be Mormon, this whole movie was so much fun to watch, and the podcast as well felt so informed on beliefs that truthfully, I barely remember having at this point. The point of having to google things to be able to follow spoke with me so much, I still remember times of not really being sure what I was “allowed to do” or hearing things that one Mormon would say we could, and another said we couldn’t. In that very same vein (pun intended) I remember hearing about how if Mormons do get sent on a mission to Las Vegas that they can go everywhere but the strip or else they basically immediately get sent home, and I can never find anything that confirms that online, or in person asking people from Vegas who are Mormon. Truly a wonderful movie and podcast episode
Alyssa Grenfell shout out! she's really an amazing resource
I had to tell my Grandma (who hates horror) she wouldn't like this movie despite Hugh Grant as it was getting closer to it's release date. Guess who called asking about "that movie starting with H"? 😅 We ended up seeing Heretic together and yeah she thought it was "okay". Power of Hugh Grant yall!
I just know Mr Reed kills it at bar trivia night
Non-Mormon Christian here:
To me, the interesting thing about the bleak ending is that whether or not it is bleak is your choice.
Do you choose to believe the happy ending you’re seeing with your own eyes, or the dark ending that logic suggests?
Ultimately, your chosen interpretation only affects your experience.
I chose to see it as a bittersweet happy ending. My interpretation was she did indeed get out and she believed in her delirium she saw a butterfly that was Sister Barnes. But my big issue with the movie was that Paxton even went back down and got herself stabbed. She totally could have escaped. I hate when horror movies just kill everyone. Final girls are a trope for a reason!
Wouldn't Mormons be their own thing though?
Chelsea talking about going down the exmo secret lives of Mormon wives rabbit hole is so relatable. I immediately knew she was talking about Alyssa because she has been taking over my algorithm.
Same! I didn’t even watch the Secret Lives show, I’ve just always been so intrigued by ex-cult and ex-religious content. Alyssa is awesome! So is Ex-Mo Lex!
The movie is set in Boulder, CO! I live there and was surprised to see familiar street names/ local sites. The rainbow intersection Chelsea mentioned is on Pearl Street.
Ex-mo here, and I appreciate how respectful and informed this discussion is surrounding the Mormon church, often these conversations devolve into just calling Mormonism a fringe cult.
Also, justas a small fact check, missionaries get to call home nearly every week on their "P-Day," which is a day to handle any non-missionary work, like doing laundry, cleaning, etc. I talk to my sister every week on Monday, who is on a mission in Kansas rn.
Well as a current member I hope life is treating you well
If you don’t mind me asking… What made you leave the church? You seem to still have a lot of respect for it and a desire to preserve its image. Why leave if you still have such a fondness for it?
Yeah, being able to call back as much is a new development. Before it was more limited about phone calls and emails and letters
@charliebrown1796 no worries, I don't mind at all! Simply put, I'm agnostic and don't believe in any specific teachings from any organized religion. However, I feel that most of the "cult" criticisms that are applied to the Mormon church are unfair, as they can be applied to nearly any Abrahamic religion. For example, why are garments weird, when a yamaca or hijab aren't? Or the word of wisdom (abstaining from coffee, tobacco, or tea), when other religions have restrictions like eating pork or meat on Fridays? There are very few practices that you can't find parallels with in other religions, so it seems hypocritical to call out Mormonism specifically. I have plenty of family and friends still in the church, and don't feel like it should be treated like a monolith when you don't do the same with other Christians, Muslims, or Jews. This is a problem I frequently have when discussing the church with other nonmembers, especially other ex-mormons. I think resorting to "it's a cult, Reeeee!" Is insanely reductive.
That isn't to say I think the church is without criticism. One of the main reasons I began deconstructing my religious beliefs in general was how the Mormon church spoke about LBGTQ+ folks and how sexist some of the teachings were. The more I looked at it though, I found that most of those same criticism can be applied to religion across the board, not just within Mormonism. But I don't think that gives free license to shit on any religion; I simply just don't believe what they believe.
I have a theory about the hallways that Sister Paxton goes through besides the Inferno reference. Mr Reed has been vocal about his desire to find the one true religion. He started his argument with the big three monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Monotheism, is a recent trend on the timeline of religious history. So when Sister Paxton is going through the hallways she's tracing the history back. She's going back through the polytheism and animism parts of religious history. Until she reaches the end of finds what Mr Reed to be the first true religion of control. That's just how I saw the scene play out
My favorite part of this movie is you expect this entire time for these girls to give up on their religion or for you to feel bad that they are religious and they never cross that in a beautiful way the end with her saying prayer is people taking the time to think of you is just showing that it doesnt matter she is happy with her religion and that doesnt hurt anyone
Right? I loved that, too. Because I’ve come to realize as an adult that in many ways it doesn’t matter if you’re religious or not, as long as you’re treating people morally.
When she escaped and was outside, they made a point to show he phone still didn't have signal
55:20 James getting comically angry, for a second I thought it was just at Hugh for cheating (in the 90s) which yeah cheating isn't good, but the clarification that it's because he cheated on Elizabeth Hurley is amazing because yes, how do you snag her but then decide that you want to do anything with anyone else? Man at least had decades to recognise that fumble, the biggest fumble of the 90s. James's anger at that is funny.
exmo from utah, and i can answer a few questions:
- there are starbucks here, especially in northern utah. capitalism finds a way!
- mormons are not supposed to drink according to their word of wisdom, but in northern utah(specifically around the salt lake area) there is a sort of casualty around the rules. that casualty appears EVERYWHERE in the religion, including with drinking either alcohol or coffee, and a casualty with garments.
- i LOVED seeing heretic, it was super interesting to see such a religious discussion and to see mormon missionaries portrayed as not just blinded by religion, “oh i’ll just pray and god will help me out” kind of heroes. it was a very interesting watch and very entraining.
i also appreciate how much research chelsea did towards mormonism! and that she shouted out alyssa grenfell! her content has been helping me through my own deconstruction from mormonism to atheism and it’s nice to hear her get some love here.
Props to Chelsea casually dropping one of the most brilliant and healthy perspectives on the existence of a higher power that I have ever come across!
Just now, watching this podcast, am I realizing that Topher Grace was Elder Kennedy. I've seen this movie twice in theatre and Im just know learning this 🤣
1:13:56 i can’t speak on mormon beliefs or upbringing, but i was raised catholic, went to catholic schools most of my life, etc. and we were very much taught that birth control was bad/sinful. my high school started a program integrating laptops for all of the students my sophomore year, i distinctly remember finding out about the contraceptive implant outside of school, and one day in class it crossed my mind and i decided to look it up out of curiosity-i was surprised to find that many of the search results were blocked for containing “sexual education”. not “porn” or “adult content”, they straight up blocked SEX ED. so i can totally see how hugh grant’s character would’ve assumed that the girl was so sheltered that she wouldn’t know that it was a birth control implant. but as we saw at the beginning, with the internet, even folks who may have grown up sheltered in their faith/beliefs can still learn about all kinds of things
I know you poo-poo'd the idea of two releases today on the Monday livestream, but honestly this is perfect for me languishing away at work while practically everyone I know is off.
I'm practicing LDS and you've gotten a lot of information correct. Another fact, guy missionaries also cannot enter a house that just has one woman in the house just like the missionaries in the movie couldn't enter with just Hugh Grant's character in the house without his wife. Also here's some more info from what Chelsea shared. Missionaries can now call their families every week instead of emailing every week and video calling Christmas and Mother's Day. With the Endowment the procedures and what happens in the ceremony are open to learning from the public. The LDS church has a video explaining the garments and what they look like as well. You wear the garments except when bathing, sex, swimming, and for medical reasons too. In Utah there is all kinds of coffee shops including Starbucks and other coffee chains. Also, there aren't any rules about LDS not able to watch horror. There's just general guidelines to watch stuff that's comfortable for you or is uplifting. It's like how there's types of horror that you like or don't like
Also practicing LDS, and I was pleased to see Chelsea go the extra mile to research the religion. There’s things she got wrong here and there (you go on A mission, not “go on-mission,” for example), but they’re stuff that any reasonable person wouldn’t know unless they grew up in the culture. I’d give her an A- at the VERY least.
I’m also still waiting for someone to point out how Topher Grace’s “Elder” character is a total misrepresentation of how missionary leadership works. In many ways, he was characterized like a Catholic priest, the lone guy taking care of a single church, with local missionaries reporting to him each night. And that’s, uh, not it at all 😂
Really the only part of the movie that failed the “are they portraying my religion accurately” smell test for me.
And hey, glad to see another LDS Christian horror fan in the comments!
@scottlovesmoviestoomuch Thanks for the response! I've heard that Topher Grave's character could have been the local mission leader, the local person who coordinates with the missionaries in the area, since he was by himself. Another could be that he was a service missionary too.
I definitely agree. Before Dead Meat, I only liked the Universal horror movies or Goosebumps but after coming across Dead Meat when they were playing he Friday the 13th game, they have expanded my horizons a lot
Heretic encapsulates true horror, being stuck in a room with a Reddit atheist talking down to you on why religion is bullshit, and you can’t leave!
Maybe the most plausible horror situation you could find yourself in
As someone who was a Mormon missionary, I cannot tell you how many times I was in that exact situation. When Sister Paxton was trying to do the whole routine of “Ok, I appreciate you’re very smart. If I tell you what you want to hear, can I leave?”, I REALLY felt that.
Ex Mormon here born and raised in Utah county. I went on Thursday night previews and was hardly able to find two seats together for my girlfriend and I. For a small budget R rated religious horror film to be filling theaters completely is unheard of and it was so wild to see how many people showed up JUST because it is Utah. It was a slightly awkward viewing experience. People didn’t know when to laugh and seemed uncomfortable.
Also I am impressed with how much Chelsea seems to know about the weird practices of the LDS church. And yes, they do believe they will have their own planet one day and will be their own god.
I’m glad movies like these get appreciation that they deserve
I had a Mormon best friend for 14 years, and I remember her pitching that to me. We were both fantasy illustration enthusiasts, we had our own stories we were working on, and then bam. I could make my fantasy world real if I joined the church.
I just said "Okay" and changed the subject.
How 'bout them tapirs, right?
Chelsea's "Cat In The Apartment" analogy is genius.
When James and Chelsea explained their beliefs and she then simmered down to cat into an apartment I breathed a sigh of relief. It was comforting. Particularly because I watched this and got emotional when she explained her near death experience because it was the same kind of thing that I experienced in 2015. Not with Taco Bell but trying to find faith & finding a wall every time when I too had a near death experience. I appreciate the crazy a parasocial things you guys gave me. Dead Meat, you guys are awesome. THANK YOU!
I'm an ex-morman, and I really loved this movie. I saw it with my dad, who is a current morman, and he also loved it.
As a Utahn/Salt Laker born-and-raised (but also part of the non-Mo population of SLC), this has been such a wild episode discussion. Unexpected mention of Swig and its ilk made me laugh
Alyssa Grenfell is fabulous! I'd also like to recommend Jordan & McKay, they're ex-mo as well and do a lot of commentary on Mormon culture, especially the pervasiveness of Mormon influencers/vloggers.
I finally got to watch this (pretty wine buzzed) and when that diorama shot happened I was literally YELLING at the screen “OH MY GOD GO OFF WOW THAT WAS INCREDIBLE” 💀
The directors of this movie run a movie theater near me, they had costumes from this on display
Spoilers!!
One other thing that could contribute to the Paxton is dead theroy is the song playing over the end credits.
Its a cover of Knocking on Heaven's Door -sung by Sophie Thatcher.
Which is about someone dying.
It could be another tie to Reed's argument about adaptation. Since
The original was done by Bob Dylan, but the most famous cover is by Gun's and Roses
Delighted to see you two cover this, as it's making a late play to be one of my favorite movies of the year. Can't recall any other film I've seen where so much of the threat comes through dialogue and discussion as opposed to physical violence. As you noted, the three leads are top notch, and I've got my fingers crossed that they'll all continue to do genre work. Agree about the section in the basement causing the momentum to flag a bit, the introduction of the living prophet had me scratching my head until the truth revealed itself. Far as the ending is concerned, my interpretation was much more literal, but the one you suggested certainly makes sense given everything that happened beforehand. Semi-related, I don't know if you'd classify it as an iteration or just plain old coincidence, but it surprised the hell out of me to hear The Air that I Breathe pop up in a trailer for Saw X not too long before it rolls out as the unofficial anthem for this story. Excellent work as always and Happy Thanksgiving!
The dante's Inferno poster has a lot more meaning than just being a reference. The room it sits in is the fourth level, I believe.
As a current member of the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints I want to thank you guys for investigating and respecting my religion!(If anyone has any questions about the church I’d be more than happy to answer!)
Grew up in Utah. My childhood as a non-Mormon was rough. Other kids were purposefully not friends with me once they found out that I wasn't part of the church.
The RocketMoney ad right after talking about spending on the A24 store I’m CRYINGGFF
Ex-Mormon here. Went on my mission to Ukraine. It was awful. But just want to type this comment as the video goes on to answer some questions. On your mission you are assigned to go where they ask you to go. You have a companion and the sight and sound rule is true. You and your companion are assigned an area. Missions are 18 months for women and 2 years for men. Every 6 weeks is a "transfer". That's when you find out if you're staying in your area and with your companion, getting a new companion, or are changing areas. The longest I was in one area was 4 transfers. I had two different companions in that time. You have no idea what is going to happen before your endowment in the temple and it was very very strange. It's basically a ceremony where you watch a video about Adam and Eve, and make a lot of covenants and commitments to the church. You also learn a lot of secret handshakes but that's too much to explain. It's fucked up though and so much pressure to put on someone that young. The garments are basically clothing to remind you of those covenants. Garments are encouraged to be worn at all times, but swimming is fine. Also, exercising is a grey area too. After your initial endowment, you go to the temple to do it for the dead in their place.
This feels very much like one of those movies that you're either gonna love or hate personally I love it
Heretic was a movie that surprised me with it's quality! I am NOT a film buff, I am an inexperienced horror movie fan who loves visiting the cinema...and from seeing Terrifier 3 on the big screen and seeing Heretic advertised, for me, it lived up to the hype I felt when imagining Hugh Grant in a horror movie
Fantastic episode y'all! Thank you for the in-depth discussion. I came in excited to hear your thoughts on the movie and left with new ideas about death (that cat analogy from Chelsea was really interesting) and an exploration of the current purpose of religion. Just wonderful all around. Seriously, thank you. Happy Thanksgiving!
He knew that the doorbell would ring because they had not reported back to the church, which is why Topher Grace had come looking for them when the storm started to get worse.
Also love the Zero Escape reference
Go back and watch Alyssa's analysis! She nails it. Also, that closing song is not about death, but leaving the police force and feeling like one is dying. To have everything be a death dream post-stab just doesn't fit...
I'm not mormon, but I live with a view of THE mormon temple here in England. I've always had a complicated relationship with them, we're family friends with Mormons, I go to football at their campus every Saturday. But as a young gay guy, you can quickly feel alienated and estranged when they try to convert you or invite you to their church. They are the friendliest people I have met yet are the people I'm most scared of knowing my sexuality. I have a lot of sympathy and respect for them, but I'm also reminded like "they would abandon their gay/trans child for the church almost immediately." So this movie is cool asf to me as a deep dive into their culture
Was SO excited for you guys to talk about this one!
I would LOVE a Horror Survivor with Graessle included where we start off with 3 tribes! Bring back the Graessle-cam!
Love you guys, loved this ep. But Molly jumping up at Chelsea so she could get a cuddle was possibly my favourite moments, she’s so precious.
I'm 31. I was an atheist until 17, then became a Christian, first Orthodox, now a Christian unaffiliated with any church organization.
Perfect timing.Just in time for me to take my Blueberry pie out the oven!
when I watched heretic for the first time in theaters i immediately knew i needed this podcast episode im so happy
I found Alyssa when I was perusing youtube for people's thoughts on this movie and I thought her video was an amazing analysis! I was so excited to hear Chelsea mention it 😊
As an exmormon, hearing Chelsea talk about the garments and about swimming reminded me of when I was like 12 and a sister missionary told me Satan is the lord of water and that swimming is an invitation to allow Satan to possess you. I asked her how we are supposed to bathe ourselves or drink water and she started stuttering and called me disrespectful. I knew then that the church was bs.
That doesn’t make any sense, since baptism is water-based. Satan is prince of the powers of the air, not water!
@ THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING
Dazzle camo! It works by breaking up the profile of the ship enough that you can't figure out their direction or speed, and it's really disorienting.
I can't be the only one who eats Taco Bell like every other month, not all the time. Yet somehow I ordered it while starting this 😂
I really enjoyed Heretic as an Truely tense Psychological Thriller. Hugh Grant should be in the running for awards season for his amazing performance in this but considering the snobby the Oscars are but that is an long shot I hope happens
I grew up in Missouri and went to school near were Joesph Smith was killed, I'm so use to hearing Mormon terms I was like what do you mean you don't know what mission is or the special mormon underwear. I'm not even Mormon but grew up around a lot of Mormons and ex Mormons. We have a lot of Mormons since the holy land is in Independent where my family lived before we moved to middle Missouri
As an EX-Mormon, I really think those missionaries would come to our home just so my mom would make them Baked Spaghetti 😂😂😂😂
When you guys talked abt That 70s Show and the cast and were like, "[...] its bc Topher Grace is the only normal one" reminded me of the fact that he is married to a girl from my middle of nowhere hometown 😂 y'all also briefly mentioned Adam Driver and he is also from my area lmfaoo
I love Molly and her little sweater
Hearing Alyssa mention here was a bit of a "worlds crashing together" moment lol
Come on, you can't tease us with horror Survivor at the end like that. Be good, people, and please give us season 6
Yeah I 100% agree SPOILERS:
Once they got downstairs I was shopping they’d be pushed through a huge maze or something, but I also kinda like what they do so idk.
it takes place in boulder, colorado! theres signs and stuff in the beginning
Yes Alyssa Grenfell!! I absolutely love her channel and have learned so much about the Mormon Church from her!
every time chelsea brings up the zero escape series i cheer out loud lmao
The thought of being dead doesn't scare me. For millions of years prior to my birth I didn't exist and that wasn't upsetting at all.
needed to comment that i volunteered twice at sundance and was placed in park city utah and starbucks and coffee shops in general seemed to close SUPER EARLY and it always pissed me off bc i was always running low on battery by 7pm and thats when they closed 🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲
Exmormon here, I honestly really respect you guys for not saying the religion is an outright cult, it’s one thing that always detours me from engaging in people talking about LDS stuff. I also appreciate you guys saying a lot of the reason people are a part of a religion is because of the communal aspect. From my experiences the people were so nice and non judgmental for the most part
That’s the one thing I dislike about Alyssa’s channel, is that she seems to have hone down the “all religion is bunk” path, which is sad. The community of religion is also true, which is why you have groups like the UUs that are Christian in name only and is mostly just community without shared beliefs. It’s also why certain political and social movements have taken in more religious characteristics of late.
5:06 Thank you Graessle for the Molly content 😂
YESSS coming back to this to listen to in the road. Dead Meat really blessed us today y'all 😭
I had a friend of a friend who was Mormon and he went on his mission trip after highschool and went to RUSSIA where it is literally illegal to recruit for religions and so he ended up getting arrested and later luckily released but yeah dude got fucked on that lotto
my childhood best friend and his family were mormons and didn’t even know until early 20s when he would do mission trips. he is now ex mormon and fronts a hardcore band, so that rules haha check out SLUG.
Fun fact about the Mormons, they got booted to Utah, then they found mountains of gold, and Colorado annexed the Best parts. Leaving them treasures like salt lakes.
Particularly loved this episode as an ExMO and SLC resident !!
When I saw The Book of Mormon in Australia. In the program the Mormon church actually bought up an ad space page inside of it. 23:56
A few of my coworkers are Mormons. One got sent to Mexico while his friend went to Utah
There’s nothing more I’d love than to smoke a bowl with James and Chelsea and watch a horror movie.
The song “the air that I breathe” is the song that is played in the saw x trailer and I thought it was such a nice coincidence because to me heretic is just religious jigsaw💀
Watching both you and Alyssa’s videos, this is such a good intersection
I went to one of the smell-o-vision screenings! Even if I ended up not really liking the movie very much, it was a fun gimmick and I could feel William Castle in the theater with us.
As a note for people in general: sometimes Canadian releases of A24 movies can be cheaper (from VVS films) and they are region free!
Good morning everyone, and happy early Thanksgiving!!🦃
Also, she definitely lives. She has the strength to make it out the window. She's notified people of her location, and she sees what in her mind would be one of her dead loved ones (sister Barnes) coming back as a butterfly to comfort her. People are going to believe what they're going to believe them see signs everywhere they look in death, hallucination, etc.
5:47 I also found Alyssa Grenfell’s channel recently, through a video about Heretic no less! Another great channel if you wanna look into ex-Mormon perspectives is Jordan and McKay!
I liked when he did the the bit with the song and the Hollies vs Radiohead vs Lana Del Rey. Cool podcast as usual from ya'll.
came back to thank Chelsea for gifting The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives !!!! one of best reality binges i experienced in a while 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Just to prove to Chelsea I love the podcast equally as much as the Kill Count, I’m watching the podcast before the kill count today
Hahaha I did the opposite. Saved it like it's for dessert
Clearly nobody grew up obsessed with the Virgin Suicides soundtrack like I did, because the Hollies' song is on there
Hmmm I never looked at the ending that way. I’ve seen it once but that interpretation of the ending makes it a bit better than I remember
I am a current member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints, and i am very appreciative of how sensitive and informed you are and how you don't present things as being certainly the way you feel about it. That's part of why I've been off fan of y'all for a while. One point of clarification i have is that there is a big difference between "Mormon culture" and the church's doctrine. Unfortunately the culture does overtake the religion in teachings and practice too often, but that is not the case in every congregation and certainly is not what the core of the religion, in truth, is. As always, loved this episode and i always love listening to the podcast as i work!
50:38 you mean the song from the Saw X trailer?
I can’t hear this song as a romantic song because I just input the screaming into the background.
I really like thinking about the career's evolution of Hugh Grant, from romantic british comedy.....to this stuff 😂😂😂
Fun fact i live in the town this film was filmed in. It was awesome seeing them film very near i worked. The actors killed it
Chelsea is so right comparing some of the conversations in this film to Zero Escape and I love it.
Need new krampus count, it’s been 6 years!!!!