I know it’s silly, but another driving factor imo for Ping/Titleist/Srixon is that their release cycle is every 2 years, so you don’t feel like you have “old” equipment after a year like the other brands make you feel…
100% agree. Plus I usually like to skip a generation since not that much changes so I'm upgrading/updating every 4 years rather than every year or every two years.
No that's not silly in the slightest taylormafe makes.good drivers but I hate seeing tje latest and greatest pop up every year...that's always driven me away from them
Would have been really nice to see two drivers sneak into the competition. The PXG Gen 5 driver is currently $299 with 3 adjustable weight ports and plenty of available stock shaft options. Tour Edge Exotics should have been in the test as well given how well they have fared in other driver shootouts on TXG.
Put the new 0211 ($199.99) and new 0311 (289.99) up against the wilson. Those are also before a military discount if you are eligible. It's tough to beat, IMO.
Great review Mark.The G430 looks great, but for me the price for golf clubs are ridiculously high especially here in AUS. What annoys me the most when you search on line, golf outlets do not have the Ping and Titleist prices they ask you to send for a Quote, other brands no problems.I will stick with my Ping V2 Rapture for now until I win the Lottery😅
That's what I love about data driven reviews. Which there are few. Opinions on sound and feel then the numbers are all that matters. The few who don’t get that obviously do not understand what they are reviewing. Sad really.
Brilliant, unbiased review. I personally would love a Paradym this year. Currently have the Cobra speedzone. Probably shouldn't upgrade my driver before I've 'upgraded' my skills 😂
Michael....I have the Speedzone also...2021 direct from Cobra at $299 was a steal !! Mines the black polished look. Its a beautiful driver and the ball just jumps off the face, but the the clunk sound of carbon is a bit diff.... I prefer the titanium sound, but I'm set with this driver for a few years. I'm definetly replacing my 18 yr old steal Viper( cobra copys)5wood with either the TSR3...Paradym or Ping 430. You really wanna replace that Speedzone already?? Its an excellent driver. I really love the wrap around face. It's very unique. Dont jump ship yet😜
Got fitted by Titleist for my Tsr2 at the end of last year and I would recommend this club to anybody. Make sure you are fitted for whatever driver you buy. My 45 minutes with the Titleist pro was the best experience I've ever had purchasing clubs and after 25 rounds I can honestly say it's the best money I've ever spent on golf equipment. It is a fairway heat seeking missile launcher.
I'm a 15-20 handicap and I game the TSR3. Its longer and straighter than my old Ping G425. I consistently hit the toe side and don't see much drop off in speed or distance. I love it and its staying in the bag for a long time.
Hi Jose paul here have you tried this at setup have your ball between centre of clubhead and shaft . I find on a bad day this gives me centre strikes , I am no pro but through practice I found this .
i can't wait to order my tsr2. ultimately they are all gonna perform within such a tight range a golfer of my skill isn't going to be consistent enough to notice. its all about 2 things, looks and sound.
I really appreciate that you've brought up the resale value of these clubs. Over the past few years, so much golf equipment has crossed into a price that is a bit unreasonable for average players. Being able to utilize some value and trade up is such a big part of the buying process now it does effect which brands even more.
I just got a cobra radspeed brand new for $199 and love it. Even mishits and the ball is in the fairway. Plus it leaves mark on face every time. Love it gives me feedback where I hit it on the face.
Personally, I like the look of the Mizuno and the look of the TItlelist. Totally hear what you’re saying bout Titlelist holding value though. Thanks Mark!
I'm in my mid seventies and have the Srixon ZX5 and the PXG Gen 0311 and either one plays as well as the other. I recently got a deal on a used TSR2 and tried it for a couple rounds but it never out performed the ZX5 or Gen 5. Jsst goes to show no matter what is advertised as the best or top dog won't necessarily play well for everyone.
Only had a budget of £350 so tested the Wilson and the Cobra. I take your point about resale value but I don't want to spend an extra £100 plus for marginal performance and maybe something extra back if I sell it. I ordered the Wilson as it was a big step forward over the Yonex VXF I have had for 10 years.
Wilson starting with this line could be turning a corner on brand, too. Their new CEO is really focusing on building tour level products and getting them into tour player hands. So resale might not be as bad as people think in 5 years time.
My Titleist TSR2 is phenomenal. Still in disbelief how much farther and straighter it is than my Titleist TS3 that was a very good driver. I’m finding myself down the fairway in places I have not seen in a long time and that has been during the middle of winter.
6:44 When I look at these prices, I am damn happy that this past October I bought a new 2021 PXG 0211 driver custom made to my specs for US$126.56 (includes delivery and any sales tax). I doubt that I would play any better with drivers in this review that cost up to four times as much.
Have to agree on the Titleist. Notice on tour just how many non contracted players use the Titleist. And despite not paying the players the mega bucks like Callaway and Taylormade, it's winning the driver counts on both tours every week, and five years ago that was Taylormade.
thanks for the review.. but surprising to see you chose TSR2 as the winner after eulogising on both the Stealth2 and Paradym.. I certainly agree with that choice as I am more a traditionalist.. carbon has yet to give me the comfort of having a real trustworthy driver in my hands..
great video . I have hit the Titleist and Callaway and Srixon and Mizuno and TM. The ones I liked the best were the Titleist and Callaway. I just have to decide now. They are so similar but I love love the titleist looks, so old school and beautiful.
In Canada the Cobra LS $699.99 Ping LST $849.99. The Ping was 8 yards shorter on carry and not all that forgiving. I bought the Cobra and love it. The Callaway Paradym TD was close to the Cobra performance with great dispersion,but that was with a $400. Ventus Blue Velecore shaft.$1200. total. LOL I bought the Cobra with stock Hazrdus Smoke RDX Blue 6.0 .
If you or anyone like me really believes that flowing the golf shaft is the best way to get the most out of that golf shaft, then the Callaway is the only way to go. Because of its shaft sleeve system the shaft goes in the hosel and any adjustments are made by turning the cams, there in the flowed shaft is never turned away from the sweet spot, which I truly believe is the way to go. The others you turn the shaft all over the spectrum losing the sweet spot of the flowed shaft by turning it adjusting for moving the clubhead up or down in loft. Pay a lot for an after market shaft makes no sense for any of the other driver manufacturers. My opinion, but then it's my money too. Good video Mark, thanks.
Great review Mark and interesting comments especially when you trade in. I tend to change every two years golf is my hobby now I’m retired, and so trade in prices are important to soften the blow when buying new equipment. Even the big brands drop my TSR1 was £499 now after a year £140.
Had a great fit last week. 108 swing speed. Ended up with 10.5 degree triple diamond paradym. 55g shaft. Totally different to what I thought I needed or had before.
Excellent review and really good explanation of stats. Just purchased G430 Max 9 degree driver and it’s fantastic even for a slow swing player like me (87mph) goes 215 yds with best shots up at 250yds. Best bit is dispersion is much better and improved over G410.
@@petekenny3774 the reason clubs are so expensive is because manufacturers know people keep trading in perfectly decent clubs for ones that are no improvement. It’s a pity really as they wouldn’t charge it if people didn’t keep buying new ones for basically no reason other than boredom
@Guy Whittern yeah but thats what 90% golfers do unfortunately it won't change will it ...people don't realise in the past 5 years there is no tech or advancement the colours change ridiculous tech words are used and boom the marketing works doesn't it...if you want a new driver every year and have the cash buy it...i personally don't I play a mavrik max that's 3 year old now
I tried the Titleist TSR2 and TSR3. I though they looked, sounded, and felt amazing. I've never tried a driver that felt so good. However, I tested it against my 2017 Callaway GBB Epic, and found no difference in distance, and my bad swings still led to bad results. I saved myself $599. As for resale, my five year old Epic still sells used for about $200. I think I bought it used in 2019 for $250. They really do hold their value.
As one who likes to wait it out and see what last year's top dog costs after the new ones come out, here are some typical U.S. online store prices a year later: Aerojet- $300 Mizuno 230s- $300 Paradym- $400 Stealth 2- $400 Wilson Titanium - $300 Cleveland XL2 is already $350. $250 next year? Last year I bought a new ZX5 for $180 shipped.
IMO the manufacturers who produce a new line once a year their value drops off faster. Cobras from a year ago are dead cheap now. They are basically giving away Rad Speeds. Rogue ST second hand price fell off a cliff. I think Mizuno, Ping and Titleist will hold their value over time since they are on longer release periods.
Great review, Mark. Very informative and well done. Nice to see your clubhead speed creeping up to 114mph. For me, the TSR3 with Tour Design is still a high performing premium combo. It is truly the most consistent ball speed machine I have tested. 👍🙏🔥🔥🙌🙌💯💪💪
Why is it that no one includes PXG drivers in these comparisons tests ? When they do it’s usually the 0211 which is there lowest cost driver and they compare it to drivers that are 3 times the cost. I just purchased a PXG Gen 5 0311 XF for $299, half the cost of the drivers you reviewed here. $600 for a driver, I pay $630 for my annual golf membership which is unlimited golf with a cart at one of the nicest courses here in upper Michigan. $600, I don’t think so
Good luck selling it. I bought one last summer off a guy like new that he had for only a few months. It had only been out for a few months at that time. 100.00 I paid for it. It was the Lite version. I played one round with it and hated it. I sold it for 150.00 the next day. People won't pay much of anything for a used Cleveland. If you love it keep it...
Maybe it's time for an upgrade, strong believer in it 's not the club but how you hit it that really matters. My 2004 460CC Adams Redline Driver has served me well, had the shaft shortened and regripped a few years back for better consistency. Will head to 2nd Swing for a fitting and let the chips fall where they may ......
I love driver reviews I just find it hard to take the prices seriously when you know a PXG 0211 is available for £199 with: an adjustable loft sleeve, range of fitting options and a warranty.
The PXG may be nice but honestly I can't stand the look of any of their clubs and I despise their entire marketing strategy. I wouldn't even consider PXG for those reasons no matter the price.
I have gotten extremely similar results and ball speeds to you, so this is an interesting comparison. The TSR2 and Aerojet are the two drivers I’m in between. Get a little bit more ball speed with the tsr2, but the cobra is super consistent and launches just a bit higher. Feels like it always clears 250 carry for me even on awful strikes were the ball speed drops below 155, where a bad miss for the TSR drops below 230. Feel like for the price and just a bit more forgiveness gives it to Aerojet for me.
Outstanding review Mr Crossfield. I'm that kinda golfer looking for the newest, greatest club on the market to improve distance and accuracy, I also understand that no matter what material is incorporated into today's clubs, the USGA has it's limits on clubface speeds. So no matter what material you choose, it comes down to your personal clubhead speed. Keep up the good work. Appreciate the informative reviews.
The limit is at the hottest point. The innovation in new clubs is to have the face stay hot over a wider area & controlling spin across the face for less drop-off on off-center hits. I have a lot of drivers and hit dead middle, my TaylorMade SLDR is still the longest. But an inch off center, my Mavrik Max holds up distance WAY better.
100mph swing speed, moderate tempo. Got fit into the TSR2 10° set at A1, Mitsubishi C6 Red 60 Stiff at 45”. Gained 20 yards carry over my Mizuno STZ. Tested against the new paradym, stealth 2, and Ping g430. TSR2 was hands down the best distance, second to the paradym on dispersion. Paradym was 10 yards shorter for me.
Great review Mark as we have come to expect the honest reviews from you , I got fitted into a Stealth 2 , my dispersion was the best with that club and a bit more ball speed thanks 👍
Lol Mark as an OG fan I feel like this video/thumbnail so not you. But I understand you need to play the TH-cam game. Wishing you some success. Are you planning to do a commentary video on LIV? Did you already do one? Maybe I missed it. Here’s an idea. Inject a bunch of golf youtubers into the LIV league to add some personalities. I think if LIV wants to succeed they need to increase the hype and personalities for entertainment value because the golf and prize money alone will not be enough to move the golf needle.
Great content as usual Mark. Love the look and sound of that new Titleist driver, it's perfect if you ask me. That being said, is their a reason you left out PXG in this test? Just harder to get ahold of it across the pond? Also, Cobra doesn't quite hold it's value well enough for me to say it's the winner on price.
I’m not in the market for a new driver. Can’t justify it. But love watching your reviews. Data doesn’t lie and neither do your reviews. If I had to pick one, I couldn’t I’d choose 2, either the ping or the cobra for me. But cobra fan mainly because of rickie fowler still playing amp forged irons probably time for an upgrade. Keep up the good work
Great video. Excellent result. A proper test. Imho, manufacturers don't make bad golf clubs, just some can maximise more income than others. 1 question - I guess you used the same golf ball throughout the test, but would different golf balls produce much different results?
Great pick for overall winner, I have the TSR2 and love it! I'd be tempted to buy an AeroJet too though, just because I love what Cobra are doing (and have a Cobra bag as well lol (minus putter)).
I'll be gaming the TaylorMade Sim2 for another year or two. Just added a bit of lead tape. I gained a few yards and tightened the dispersion. I need to work on speed. Mark has got me by 50 yards at this point.
Awesome video. I still see no benefit in switching drivers from the past 5 years. I would love to see you compare the g400 vs the g435 to see if the extra $2-300 is even worth it for the newest drivers. I see no difference and actually like the sound of the g400 better.
Value retention is a lot higher with Ping and Titliest. Callaway nearly half in value on the second-hand market within 12 months. AeroJet won't hold its value like you'd think or hope. Ping G425 up until 8 weeks ago was still going second-hand on eBay for over £300.
Mark. Serious question. When it comes to "forgiveness" what was your criteria? Loss of distance on mishits? Fairways missed? Better dispersion? I know I have days I hit my driver well and keep it in the fairway. There are other days I know my strike isn't as good with the driver. On those days I still want a fairway finder as much as possible. Even if it means a shorter drive. What I don't want with mishits is the ball going into the rough or worse ( bunkers, OB, trees, or water) down either side of the fairway. So, when club reviewers discuss "forgiveness", it would be nice if they explained it in a bit more detail. Ta mate.
I notice at address on the close ups of you hitting the Driver that the leading edge / face is almost angling into the ground with the back of the the club slightly raised off the floor at address. Is that on purpose or is an optical illusion from the camera angle.?
Great video Mark well presented and I think that you made a very valid point on trade in price and purchase price. Wilson make great clubs and offer superb value and compete with the big brands. To be fair Cleveland and Cobra also offer great value. So on price a bag of clubs only Wilson and Cleveland come in for around £1700-£1800. ( Callaway X series £1100) But and here’s the but yes they will drop in price but you have saved a fortune when purchasing . My Titleist T300 irons and TSI woods are worth £900 on trade in but cost £2700 twelve months ago so premium clubs still cost you. The big brands now come out at £2200-£2800 for a full bag minus putter! I change every couple years only because like cars the longer you keep them the more you lose. Now I’m retired I spend my money on my hobby golf. Not for everybody I know. I’ve always loved Wilson good products at sensible prices and slightly left field it’s great to out perform your mates and you say Wilson, seriously yes seriously!
For me, as a slow swing speed player, the golf shaft trumps the golf head. It would be very interesting to see a test of the same club head with different golf shafts for different swing speeds. Senior women are twenty miles per hour slower than senior men on average. PS My current favorite driver is a 44" Cobra F-Max Superlite with their Superlite 40 women's flex shaft. :)
It’s nice to hear somebody speak about some of of the brands selling clubs off marketing. The performance really only jumps every 4-5 years imo. The year to year marketing from TaylorMade drives me nuts, but I’ve see a bunch of stealth 2.0’s in bags so far haha.
Mark, how about a retro driver review of the new swing. I remember seeing you and Mat doing jetspeed driver review you had 258 carry Mat 263 would like to see what you get now with it. Was the driver of my choice back then still play with it now
I love cobra drivers, I said this on an earlier video of yours but I used to lean taylormade when it came to drivers and I test them all before buying any, but 5 or 6 years ago I just began leaning more and more cobra every year after testing them. I also think that while they hold their value in the long run well, say three or four years the trade in isn’t much less than say a taylormade driver the same age, I think the year old cobra seems to always be discounted a hundred bucks less than again say the taylormade driver of the same year, and I buy my drivers a year old usually when they’ve been discounted to make room for the new drivers..
I really like the milled faced on the previous cobras, so I went Ltdx ls from my f8+. Got it in peacoat blue to match my navy blue oban airburst 😍 it’s so damn good looking. It is lower spin than the f8+ so I got it in 10.5 turned down to 9, vs 9-9.5 to 8
I think sound is irrelevant, but clubs now days are painfully expensive so be sure to get what suits you the best. I like Taylor made carbon fiber woods, Cleveland wedges but I like Titleist irons & putters.
Love my ping g425 and absolutely love the noise especially on the driving range grrrr it’s like the heavy metal / goth driver 😂 can’t afford the new one but don’t really need it realistically or maybe I do lol
I often wonder how many players out there know what they’re club head speed is …. I have a portable monitor and a swing radar and I’m shocked how often I’m down the range and someone wants a go and they are often dramatically slower than they expect
i may be overgeneralizing here, but I feel like people with sub 105+ club head speed are generally so inconsistent that reviews of clubs are kind of useless. They'll swing so wildly different and hit so different from swing to swing, it wouldn't tell you much about each club.
@@PJo336 Poor assumption Consitant but getting older. Was hitting 275 yrds down middle of fairway 20 yrs ago. Good one now is 240 ish Still feel the reviews are all at 110mph swing speeds not the majority of golfers. My mate recently got fitted, younger & taller than me, SS 115 mph. We spend more time in rough looking for his ball than mine.
Over the years buying and selling PING hold the best price for used clubs ...see for yourself .....Great clubs ...my mate uses a g25 hybrid it's fantastic 👏
What would be your number one driver of all time?
G425 changed my game so im biased. I did hit the 430 and it sounds sooooooo much better
g400 Max
As a Nike fan I would choose the Nike Vapor 440 flex. If I wasn’t a Nike fan I would like the Taylormade Burner Draw
As of right now, my clear choice is my current Callaway Rogue ST driver!
2017 gbb epic!
I know it’s silly, but another driving factor imo for Ping/Titleist/Srixon is that their release cycle is every 2 years, so you don’t feel like you have “old” equipment after a year like the other brands make you feel…
Brilliant points.
not silly at all. totally legitimate which is why i started gaming clubs from companies that are NOT releasing new stuff every 12 months
100% agree. Plus I usually like to skip a generation since not that much changes so I'm upgrading/updating every 4 years rather than every year or every two years.
I have Nike Vapors and I still don't feel like my driver is old. People that waste money on drivers every year or two are kinda crazy.
No that's not silly in the slightest taylormafe makes.good drivers but I hate seeing tje latest and greatest pop up every year...that's always driven me away from them
Probably the best overall driver review I’ve ever seen. I love the idea of all the category winners (sound, looks, cost etc). Brilliant.
Would have been really nice to see two drivers sneak into the competition. The PXG Gen 5 driver is currently $299 with 3 adjustable weight ports and plenty of available stock shaft options. Tour Edge Exotics should have been in the test as well given how well they have fared in other driver shootouts on TXG.
Is this txg?
Put the new 0211 ($199.99) and new 0311 (289.99) up against the wilson. Those are also before a military discount if you are eligible. It's tough to beat, IMO.
I think your considerations of holding value over time was spot on and that was a comment I hadn’t heard in driver reviews before.
Agreed
Great review Mark.The G430 looks great, but for me the price for golf clubs are ridiculously high especially here in AUS. What annoys me the most when you search on line, golf outlets do not have the Ping and Titleist prices they ask you to send for a Quote, other brands no problems.I will stick with my Ping V2 Rapture for now until I win the Lottery😅
Well done Mark. Nice balanced overview, testing and ranking of each. 👏🏻 👏🏻
That's what I love about data driven reviews. Which there are few. Opinions on sound and feel then the numbers are all that matters. The few who don’t get that obviously do not understand what they are reviewing. Sad really.
One of the best reviews i could think about before, well done and shows? How close are all together!
Brilliant, unbiased review. I personally would love a Paradym this year. Currently have the Cobra speedzone. Probably shouldn't upgrade my driver before I've 'upgraded' my skills 😂
Michael....I have the Speedzone also...2021 direct from Cobra at $299 was a steal !! Mines the black polished look. Its a beautiful driver and the ball just jumps off the face, but the the clunk sound of carbon is a bit diff....
I prefer the titanium sound, but I'm set with this driver for a few years. I'm definetly replacing my 18 yr old steal Viper( cobra copys)5wood with either the TSR3...Paradym or Ping 430. You really wanna replace that Speedzone already?? Its an excellent driver. I really love the wrap around face. It's very unique. Dont jump ship yet😜
Paid 399 for a srixon zx7 and 12 month after I got 120 in a trade in, think your right it's got to be considered.
Got fitted by Titleist for my Tsr2 at the end of last year and I would recommend this club to anybody. Make sure you are fitted for whatever driver you buy. My 45 minutes with the Titleist pro was the best experience I've ever had purchasing clubs and after 25 rounds I can honestly say it's the best money I've ever spent on golf equipment. It is a fairway heat seeking missile launcher.
Excellent video Mark. I have the TSR2 in the bag and found it to be a great driver in every category
I'm a 15-20 handicap and I game the TSR3. Its longer and straighter than my old Ping G425. I consistently hit the toe side and don't see much drop off in speed or distance. I love it and its staying in the bag for a long time.
Hi Jose paul here have you tried this at setup have your ball between centre of clubhead and shaft . I find on a bad day this gives me centre strikes , I am no pro but through practice I found this .
i can't wait to order my tsr2. ultimately they are all gonna perform within such a tight range a golfer of my skill isn't going to be consistent enough to notice. its all about 2 things, looks and sound.
question. did you perform these tests with the stock shafts or your own? which shafts? many thanks
I really appreciate that you've brought up the resale value of these clubs. Over the past few years, so much golf equipment has crossed into a price that is a bit unreasonable for average players. Being able to utilize some value and trade up is such a big part of the buying process now it does effect which brands even more.
Thanks for the review. I'm a new golf looking to move from my package set (Callaway Warbird). I'm tempted by the Paradym.
Just got the paradym after having an M2 for a while now, just a beautiful driver and sounds amazing
I just got a cobra radspeed brand new for $199 and love it. Even mishits and the ball is in the fairway. Plus it leaves mark on face every time. Love it gives me feedback where I hit it on the face.
Thanks for the great video. May I ask what shoes you are wearing in the outdoor portion of your testing? Thank you.
Custom fitter myself best performing drivers are the cobra and tsr drivers. Cobra with the wrap around face low strikes are amazing.
Personally, I like the look of the Mizuno and the look of the TItlelist. Totally hear what you’re saying bout Titlelist holding value though. Thanks Mark!
Titleist also holds their value because they have longer release cycles than other manufacturers. No clue if this has changed or not
I'm in my mid seventies and have the Srixon ZX5 and the PXG Gen 0311 and either one plays as well as the other. I recently got a deal on a used TSR2 and tried it for a couple rounds but it never out performed the ZX5 or Gen 5. Jsst goes to show no matter what is advertised as the best or top dog won't necessarily play well for everyone.
Only had a budget of £350 so tested the Wilson and the Cobra. I take your point about resale value but I don't want to spend an extra £100 plus for marginal performance and maybe something extra back if I sell it. I ordered the Wilson as it was a big step forward over the Yonex VXF I have had for 10 years.
Wilson starting with this line could be turning a corner on brand, too. Their new CEO is really focusing on building tour level products and getting them into tour player hands. So resale might not be as bad as people think in 5 years time.
And how are you finding the dynapwr in play?
Very forgiving. Good sound and decent distance without having to swing beyond controllable speeds
@@buddyspaniel8285 ok i am between this ( dynapower) and keeping my stz220 but with a new shaft I can't compare them so dont know which to go for
I was lucky, my 96 year old dad gave me £250 towards the club.
My Titleist TSR2 is phenomenal. Still in disbelief how much farther and straighter it is than my Titleist TS3 that was a very good driver. I’m finding myself down the fairway in places I have not seen in a long time and that has been during the middle of winter.
6:44 When I look at these prices, I am damn happy that this past October I bought a new 2021 PXG 0211 driver custom made to my specs for US$126.56 (includes delivery and any sales tax). I doubt that I would play any better with drivers in this review that cost up to four times as much.
Have to agree on the Titleist. Notice on tour just how many non contracted players use the Titleist.
And despite not paying the players the mega bucks like Callaway and Taylormade, it's winning the driver counts on both tours every week, and five years ago that was Taylormade.
I love my Wilson d9 driver
thanks for the review.. but surprising to see you chose TSR2 as the winner after eulogising on both the Stealth2 and Paradym.. I certainly agree with that choice as I am more a traditionalist.. carbon has yet to give me the comfort of having a real trustworthy driver in my hands..
great video . I have hit the Titleist and Callaway and Srixon and Mizuno and TM. The ones I liked the best were the Titleist and Callaway. I just have to decide now. They are so similar but I love love the titleist looks, so old school and beautiful.
Another well reasoned review Mark. However, the review I want to see is of the guitars on your wall. They look the business!
You dont know the about the 4Gs of life?!?
God..Golf..Guitars..Guns...👍
In Canada the Cobra LS $699.99 Ping LST $849.99. The Ping was 8 yards shorter on carry and not all that forgiving. I bought the Cobra and love it. The Callaway Paradym TD was close to the Cobra performance with great dispersion,but that was with a $400. Ventus Blue Velecore shaft.$1200. total. LOL I bought the Cobra with stock Hazrdus Smoke RDX Blue 6.0 .
If you or anyone like me really believes that flowing the golf shaft is the best way to get the most out of that golf shaft, then the Callaway is the only way to go. Because of its shaft sleeve system the shaft goes in the hosel and any adjustments are made by turning the cams, there in the flowed shaft is never turned away from the sweet spot, which I truly believe is the way to go. The others you turn the shaft all over the spectrum losing the sweet spot of the flowed shaft by turning it adjusting for moving the clubhead up or down in loft. Pay a lot for an after market shaft makes no sense for any of the other driver manufacturers. My opinion, but then it's my money too. Good video Mark, thanks.
Great review Mark and interesting comments especially when you trade in. I tend to change every two years golf is my hobby now I’m retired, and so trade in prices are important to soften the blow when buying new equipment. Even the big brands drop my TSR1 was £499 now after a year £140.
As always enjoyed the video Sir and very good information
Had a great fit last week. 108 swing speed. Ended up with 10.5 degree triple diamond paradym. 55g shaft.
Totally different to what I thought I needed or had before.
Stiff ?
@@BuffaloBarber24 sometimes
Excellent review and really good explanation of stats. Just purchased G430 Max 9 degree driver and it’s fantastic even for a slow swing player like me (87mph) goes 215 yds with best shots up at 250yds. Best bit is dispersion is much better and improved over G410.
Like the guitars in the background!
Thanks they are my pride and joy.
I'm going for the TSR4. It feels great! Gonna be my in bag soon.
I just bought it and tough to get used to so far.
The Wilson Ti is coming in at rrp £349 not £399, performs just as good as the others, great driver
If you keep it for 5 years ...yes...if you don't waste of money...99% of golfers swap there drivers a lot TM callaway titleist ping holds value
@@petekenny3774 99% Really not from my experience no where near that often
@@petekenny3774 the reason clubs are so expensive is because manufacturers know people keep trading in perfectly decent clubs for ones that are no improvement. It’s a pity really as they wouldn’t charge it if people didn’t keep buying new ones for basically no reason other than boredom
@Guy Whittern yeah but thats what 90% golfers do unfortunately it won't change will it ...people don't realise in the past 5 years there is no tech or advancement the colours change ridiculous tech words are used and boom the marketing works doesn't it...if you want a new driver every year and have the cash buy it...i personally don't I play a mavrik max that's 3 year old now
@@petekenny3774 Rogue from 2018 for me with a Rogue 22 headcover from eBay on it 👍
I tried the Titleist TSR2 and TSR3. I though they looked, sounded, and felt amazing. I've never tried a driver that felt so good. However, I tested it against my 2017 Callaway GBB Epic, and found no difference in distance, and my bad swings still led to bad results. I saved myself $599.
As for resale, my five year old Epic still sells used for about $200. I think I bought it used in 2019 for $250. They really do hold their value.
Do they vary much in shaft length and flex?
As one who likes to wait it out and see what last year's top dog costs after the new ones come out, here are some typical U.S. online store prices a year later:
Aerojet- $300
Mizuno 230s- $300
Paradym- $400
Stealth 2- $400
Wilson Titanium - $300
Cleveland XL2 is already $350. $250 next year?
Last year I bought a new ZX5 for $180 shipped.
IMO the manufacturers who produce a new line once a year their value drops off faster. Cobras from a year ago are dead cheap now. They are basically giving away Rad Speeds. Rogue ST second hand price fell off a cliff. I think Mizuno, Ping and Titleist will hold their value over time since they are on longer release periods.
Ping hold the best value 👌
Great review, Mark. Very informative and well done. Nice to see your clubhead speed creeping up to 114mph. For me, the TSR3 with Tour Design is still a high performing premium combo. It is truly the most consistent ball speed machine I have tested. 👍🙏🔥🔥🙌🙌💯💪💪
Great video and from seeing all the drivers I agree with you however,,, PXG is not a driver in 2023?
Why is it that no one includes PXG drivers in these comparisons tests ? When they do it’s usually the 0211 which is there lowest cost driver and they compare it to drivers that are 3 times the cost. I just purchased a PXG Gen 5 0311 XF for $299, half the cost of the drivers you reviewed here. $600 for a driver, I pay $630 for my annual golf membership which is unlimited golf with a cart at one of the nicest courses here in upper Michigan. $600, I don’t think so
Bought the Cleveland Golf XL Launcher. Great price and never hit it straighter! Great MOI and price. A winner.
That's a 2022 driver, not 2023. This review was for 2023 releases.
Good luck selling it. I bought one last summer off a guy like new that he had for only a few months. It had only been out for a few months at that time. 100.00 I paid for it. It was the Lite version. I played one round with it and hated it. I sold it for 150.00 the next day. People won't pay much of anything for a used Cleveland. If you love it keep it...
Duuuude- love your reviews
Great video. Can you please do this with Woods and hybrids too, as they're not discussed as often as they should be.
As ever a great honest review.
In essence, it all boils down to personal preferences 👍🏼
Maybe it's time for an upgrade, strong believer in it 's not the club but how you hit it that really matters. My 2004 460CC Adams Redline Driver has served me well, had the shaft shortened and regripped a few years back for better consistency. Will head to 2nd Swing for a fitting and let the chips fall where they may ......
Great Review.
Enjoying your content as of late.
Thanks for watching Jeff
I love driver reviews I just find it hard to take the prices seriously when you know a PXG 0211 is available for £199 with: an adjustable loft sleeve, range of fitting options and a warranty.
The PXG may be nice but honestly I can't stand the look of any of their clubs and I despise their entire marketing strategy. I wouldn't even consider PXG for those reasons no matter the price.
Any chance you’ll release the fairway woods of this before my custom fitting on Saturday?
Nice review.
was the test done with the same shaft/ weight / flex/ length
Mark, in your opinion does the sound mean distance or lack of it . by this I mean louder more umf less noise less distance .
paul
Great video Mark, very balanced and informative, thank you
Replaced my Srixon ZX5 with a TSR2 last month. I've played 5 rounds with it so far and can confirm: it is brilliant.
I have gotten extremely similar results and ball speeds to you, so this is an interesting comparison. The TSR2 and Aerojet are the two drivers I’m in between. Get a little bit more ball speed with the tsr2, but the cobra is super consistent and launches just a bit higher. Feels like it always clears 250 carry for me even on awful strikes were the ball speed drops below 155, where a bad miss for the TSR drops below 230. Feel like for the price and just a bit more forgiveness gives it to Aerojet for me.
Hi Mark - really like your penguin golf polo but cannot find it online - please provide details
Thanks Mark!!!
Outstanding review Mr Crossfield. I'm that kinda golfer looking for the newest, greatest club on the market to improve distance and accuracy, I also understand that no matter what material is incorporated into today's clubs, the USGA has it's limits on clubface speeds. So no matter what material you choose, it comes down to your personal clubhead speed. Keep up the good work. Appreciate the informative reviews.
The limit is at the hottest point. The innovation in new clubs is to have the face stay hot over a wider area & controlling spin across the face for less drop-off on off-center hits.
I have a lot of drivers and hit dead middle, my TaylorMade SLDR is still the longest. But an inch off center, my Mavrik Max holds up distance WAY better.
100mph swing speed, moderate tempo. Got fit into the TSR2 10° set at A1, Mitsubishi C6 Red 60 Stiff at 45”. Gained 20 yards carry over my Mizuno STZ. Tested against the new paradym, stealth 2, and Ping g430. TSR2 was hands down the best distance, second to the paradym on dispersion. Paradym was 10 yards shorter for me.
Did you not test the new stz230 to see if it was longer than the stz
@@conalsands4748 STZ 230 wasn’t in stock at the time of fitting.
Great review Mark as we have come to expect the honest reviews from you , I got fitted into a Stealth 2 , my dispersion was the best with that club and a bit more ball speed thanks 👍
The Aeroflot looks nice.
Lol Mark as an OG fan I feel like this video/thumbnail so not you. But I understand you need to play the TH-cam game. Wishing you some success.
Are you planning to do a commentary video on LIV? Did you already do one? Maybe I missed it. Here’s an idea. Inject a bunch of golf youtubers into the LIV league to add some personalities. I think if LIV wants to succeed they need to increase the hype and personalities for entertainment value because the golf and prize money alone will not be enough to move the golf needle.
Great content as usual Mark. Love the look and sound of that new Titleist driver, it's perfect if you ask me. That being said, is their a reason you left out PXG in this test? Just harder to get ahold of it across the pond? Also, Cobra doesn't quite hold it's value well enough for me to say it's the winner on price.
Bought Cobra LS crazy fast and crazy long very happy
I’m not in the market for a new driver. Can’t justify it. But love watching your reviews. Data doesn’t lie and neither do your reviews. If I had to pick one, I couldn’t I’d choose 2, either the ping or the cobra for me. But cobra fan mainly because of rickie fowler still playing amp forged irons probably time for an upgrade. Keep up the good work
I bought the cobra LS very happy its fast and long
Great video. Excellent result. A proper test.
Imho, manufacturers don't make bad golf clubs, just some can maximise more income than others.
1 question - I guess you used the same golf ball throughout the test, but would different golf balls produce much different results?
I'd love to see a comparison between the Cobra King SZ (2020) vs this new AeroJet model.
Great pick for overall winner, I have the TSR2 and love it!
I'd be tempted to buy an AeroJet too though, just because I love what Cobra are doing (and have a Cobra bag as well lol (minus putter)).
I'll be gaming the TaylorMade Sim2 for another year or two. Just added a bit of lead tape. I gained a few yards and tightened the dispersion. I need to work on speed. Mark has got me by 50 yards at this point.
Mark, if you’re ever over in the states in Ohio for any reason, would love you play 18 with you. Thanks for all the information you provide.
Best driver review I have seen in 2023
Awesome video. I still see no benefit in switching drivers from the past 5 years. I would love to see you compare the g400 vs the g435 to see if the extra $2-300 is even worth it for the newest drivers. I see no difference and actually like the sound of the g400 better.
The G435 is 2 years away so that battle will have to wait......
@@jlnew10 I meant the g430 lol sorry
Value retention is a lot higher with Ping and Titliest. Callaway nearly half in value on the second-hand market within 12 months. AeroJet won't hold its value like you'd think or hope. Ping G425 up until 8 weeks ago was still going second-hand on eBay for over £300.
Are those the gel kyano?
Mark. Serious question. When it comes to "forgiveness" what was your criteria? Loss of distance on mishits? Fairways missed? Better dispersion?
I know I have days I hit my driver well and keep it in the fairway. There are other days I know my strike isn't as good with the driver. On those days I still want a fairway finder as much as possible. Even if it means a shorter drive. What I don't want with mishits is the ball going into the rough or worse ( bunkers, OB, trees, or water) down either side of the fairway.
So, when club reviewers discuss "forgiveness", it would be nice if they explained it in a bit more detail. Ta mate.
After seeing say a few - modestly put - reviews, I think There are two choises of surprise.
Callaway Paradym [paradim] and Mizuno STX.
I notice at address on the close ups of you hitting the Driver that the leading edge / face is almost angling into the ground with the back of the the club slightly raised off the floor at address. Is that on purpose or is an optical illusion from the camera angle.?
Great video Mark well presented and I think that you made a very valid point on trade in price and purchase price. Wilson make great clubs and offer superb value and compete with the big brands. To be fair Cleveland and Cobra also offer great value. So on price a bag of clubs only Wilson and Cleveland come in for around £1700-£1800. ( Callaway X series £1100) But and here’s the but yes they will drop in price but you have saved a fortune when purchasing . My Titleist T300 irons and TSI woods are worth £900 on trade in but cost £2700 twelve months ago so premium clubs still cost you. The big brands now come out at £2200-£2800 for a full bag minus putter!
I change every couple years only because like cars the longer you keep them the more you lose. Now I’m retired I spend my money on my hobby golf. Not for everybody I know. I’ve always loved Wilson good products at sensible prices and slightly left field it’s great to out perform your mates and you say Wilson, seriously yes seriously!
For me, as a slow swing speed player, the golf shaft trumps the golf head. It would be very interesting to see a test of the same club head with different golf shafts for different swing speeds. Senior women are twenty miles per hour slower than senior men on average. PS My current favorite driver is a 44" Cobra F-Max Superlite with their Superlite 40 women's flex shaft. :)
It’s nice to hear somebody speak about some of of the brands selling clubs off marketing. The performance really only jumps every 4-5 years imo. The year to year marketing from TaylorMade drives me nuts, but I’ve see a bunch of stealth 2.0’s in bags so far haha.
Those Asic golf shoes are beautiful. I need me a pair of those.
Great content…
Mark, how about a retro driver review of the new swing. I remember seeing you and Mat doing jetspeed driver review you had 258 carry Mat 263 would like to see what you get now with it. Was the driver of my choice back then still play with it now
I love cobra drivers, I said this on an earlier video of yours but I used to lean taylormade when it came to drivers and I test them all before buying any, but 5 or 6 years ago I just began leaning more and more cobra every year after testing them. I also think that while they hold their value in the long run well, say three or four years the trade in isn’t much less than say a taylormade driver the same age, I think the year old cobra seems to always be discounted a hundred bucks less than again say the taylormade driver of the same year, and I buy my drivers a year old usually when they’ve been discounted to make room for the new drivers..
Great video Mark , please test Them out against greatest from the last 5-10 years, as i Think the tech is over sold 😜
How do they rate to the launcher XL?
I really like the milled faced on the previous cobras, so I went Ltdx ls from my f8+. Got it in peacoat blue to match my navy blue oban airburst 😍 it’s so damn good looking. It is lower spin than the f8+ so I got it in 10.5 turned down to 9, vs 9-9.5 to 8
I think sound is irrelevant, but clubs now days are painfully expensive so be sure to get what suits you the best. I like Taylor made carbon fiber woods, Cleveland wedges but I like Titleist irons & putters.
Love my ping g425 and absolutely love the noise especially on the driving range grrrr it’s like the heavy metal / goth driver 😂 can’t afford the new one but don’t really need it realistically or maybe I do lol
Great stuff.
What I'd like to know is how they perform with a 95mph Swing speed?
Nobody seems to do that.
I often wonder how many players out there know what they’re club head speed is …. I have a portable monitor and a swing radar and I’m shocked how often I’m down the range and someone wants a go and they are often dramatically slower than they expect
i may be overgeneralizing here, but I feel like people with sub 105+ club head speed are generally so inconsistent that reviews of clubs are kind of useless. They'll swing so wildly different and hit so different from swing to swing, it wouldn't tell you much about each club.
@@PJo336 Poor assumption
Consitant but getting older.
Was hitting 275 yrds down middle of fairway 20 yrs ago.
Good one now is 240 ish
Still feel the reviews are all at 110mph swing speeds not the majority of golfers.
My mate recently got fitted, younger & taller than me, SS 115 mph. We spend more time in rough looking for his ball than mine.
@@petemajor5693 sounds like you should start making some vids then! I'd watch that for sure
@@PJo336 has crossed my mind😁
Maybe hire myself out to the popular channels😂
What looks the best is your shirt. Have to buy one
Over the years buying and selling PING hold the best price for used clubs ...see for yourself .....Great clubs ...my mate uses a g25 hybrid it's fantastic 👏