I never realized Dr. Krauss was this humble. He doubtless could have interjected many times to supplement what Dr. Dawkins was saying, but he held back. If I had to choose between a conversation with Dr. Dawkins, and being knighted by the queen, I would choose the former. Of course, the same applies for Dr. Krauss, in case he reads this lol
Such incredibly knowledgeable people. Their critical thinking skills are amazing. We need more people like them in this world. And so glad both of them are professors/educators for younger people eager to learn.
L.Ron Dow Ha ha, I was replying to what was perhaps a more sensible person and not a dishonest gossiper, name caller and slanderer, with only love for himself: As you show yourself to be! Who thinks himself too high and mighty to live in the Spirit of truth peace and goodwill! Like all criminals! And it is because you know only the evil of Atheism! ... : ))
***** Ha ha, And none more so to be "Thrown out of this world" than all of you who religiously worship yourselves to be above all that is "Truth" in his true teaching, through the dishonesty hate and slander that becomes the false religion and the evil cult; Atheism; a false God of all self-worship, self-righteousness and all such self-deceit! ... : )) - Matthew 12; 30-37 -
JTB Pred Ha ha, Do you mean a "Warning" for the "Mentally" insane, who don't want to live in the Spirit of truth peace and goodwill to all men and women? And who have already lost it?... : ))
JTB Pred "i was referring to the smart people... you know the atheists..." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! *_If they are made INSANE by reading mere COMMENTS from other folk, they're not that smart, are they?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
***** the loser here is you, I didnt know you like eating bull shit that nasty.. ***** if you never started taking stupid pill you still be a Christian...
I sorely miss Christopher Hitchens, but so very glad we still have these erudite gentlemen to keep illuminating truth seekers against brain-washing, pseudo-science, superstitions and delusions.
@@ohgosh5892 Indeed, I’m in complete agreement with you about those gentlemen, and don’t forget Steven Pinker and Sean Carrol too, they are amazing. As you probably know, the ever clever Stephen Fry was a good friend of Hitchens.
@@AFMMD-q8 Indeed. We just need some equivalent folk to take on brexit and the current tory government. I'm no longer prepared to tolerate tory lies any further.
@@patman142 What's fascinating about such people is that despite being indoctrinated with religion they saw the light and became aware of the bullshit of religion and stopped believing in God too whereas on the other hand there's me who doesn't believe in religion at all and also doesn't want to believe in God but can't because it scares me that something bad will happen to me. And it's very frustrating. Even writing this is giving me anxiety 😰
Cheshire Tiger Has a fellow nerd and science lover I can show overwhelming evidence of there being a creative intelligence behind all that exists. I do quite welcome any challenges to the contrary...
***** as "Hitch" once said "the man forged manacles of religion are not liberating" ... believing anything without proof is nonsensical ... you have been brainwashed ... all religions are sick !!!
daryl H " as "Hitch" once said "the man forged manacles of religion are not liberating" ... believing anything without proof is nonsensical ... you have been brainwashed ... all religions are sick !!!" *_What "liberates" YOU is to believe that THE UNIVERSE CAME OUT OF NOTHINGNESS, eh?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! *_HOW is that sort of "liberation" different from TAKING LEAVE OF YOUR SENSES AND SANITY?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
daryl H "nice they took your straightjacket off long enough for you to peck at your keypad ..." Hahahahahahahahahahaha! *_In the meantime, YOU are the one who believes that SOMETHING CAN COME OUT OF NOTHINGNESS, aren't you?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Zaki Aminu all the gods came from nothing more than ignorant imaginations ... sorry your ancestors were Bonobos who didn't quite know whether to eat the banana or sit on it ...
I'm not sure who penned this quote but I remember reading "Science asks questions that may never be answered while religion offers answers that may never be questioned". It has stuck with me ever since.
Hello Friend , wanted to share this debate with you , that you would see the other side of evolution, did the universe created it self our did some intelligent Being created it . God bless you ! m.th-cam.com/video/PqHgrUu4ZWg/w-d-xo.html
An agnostic from Pakistan. I'm always excited to learn something new. Wish I am in America and enjoy these discourses live. Love these intellectuals. ✌️
After 12 years through 3 American presidents, this talk is still relevant. How many more presidential terms will religion take possession of people”s mind and soul if science and critical thinking are not taught properly in schools?
It is going to take a very long time as religion is so entrenched in American society……. Even although many from within the church do not believe the “ stories in the bible” The going to church itself is not such a bad thing as mostly only the better bits from the bible are cherry picked. …..luckily.
@Robert Vann 😅😂🤣 Some men just cain’t be hepped. Keep your eyes on the ground, your rabbit’s foot in your pocket, your holy book in your hand. Pobrecito. 🙄
@Christ is king just quoting a ridiculous book is no evidence for god, jesus etc. But using too many capital letters is a evidence for a dumb-assed mind. personal testimonies without scientific proof are just nice fairy-tales.
@@markoheneka I think it's clear as crystal that "green eggs and ham by Dr Seuss" has more depth than your ability could strain with much effort to grasp!! Let's be fair here though and give you a chance!... A brand new start in fact with some positive motivation!! Why don't you gather up all your reference material and rubber bands and create a book for all of us to live by as I am sure it will be a number one best seller throughout the entire world!! It's very obvious to me that you are up for the challenge as you present to be a very humble and wise soul so please put your money where your mouth is and give us the gold!! I would love to see what you come up with!! I will even design the cover for you and free of charge! I am sure that you will be remembered let's say in 2,000 years from now!! Internet Atheist bullies are only remembered for a brief time and that's because they have no class or quality of character with nothing substantial or productive to say!... You know simple cowards!
When I listen to men of knowledge, integrity and wonder my mind is like a dry sponge so eager to absorb as much as I can. There are so few people who excite my senses in such a way. Even if I just learn a fraction of what they are saying it’s so worth it. I get hope for the future and mankind as long as we have brilliant people like Dawkins to fertilize our imaginations.
M M Man : steady on, just what are you going to do with all this knowledge? ....... Not going to be on the web scamming people, that you can cure warts are you....?
@@davidbanner6230 What? Everything we learn can be used in countless ways. Why would you link learning with scamming people? It’s those people who don’t learn who make easy targets for con men, like all Christians who have been scammed into believing in a god that is a serial mass murderer that loves genocide, is a misogynist and loves rape, incest, and all kinds of horrendous behaviors. Oh yeah, he loves animal, blood and human sacrifices too. How can anyone believe an insane book written almost exclusively by anonymous primitive, barbaric men?
The point that Dawkins made about pigeons in skinner-boxs was probably the simplest explanation for existence of religion I have ever heard. Thank you!
Thanks for pointing that out it made me actually listen more intently to the video. I was gonna sit and listen passively. The fact that he said that broadens my mind horizon. Thanks again
How have 667 people disliked this shit? This shit is genius! Lawrence Krauss is a genius, and Richard Dawkins is just beyond definition in modern or relevant terms.
Outside of his Bio Lab, Dawkins is just another guy with an opinion, same as you or i. Because he ( or any other scientist) is an expert in their science, that does not necessarily mean their views have any more validity than anyone else's. In fact Dawkins has been spectacularly wrong in so many things. From McCain, to Assange, to the fake Trump/Russia collusion etc. It baffles me that his fans ignore these blunders and still believe him when he tells them his views on the BIG questions. The guy lives in a bubble of privilege, and has little idea of the real world.
Thank you, Dr. Dawkins for articulating my feelings about the religious brainwashing of young children. My mother was a "devout Catholic", and started pumping religious BS into my mind as soon as I could understand language. I was a quick learner, so I got started early, and became so proficient in the mythology that I was selected by adults to teach other children when I was 12. However, that is precisely when my mind began to question things which I was told, and I started gravitating towards reality, a state I acquired around the time I was 13. I call what was done to me as a child, "Soul Rape", which as a Catholic, isn't as bad as it could have been. To this day, and I am 76 and am a fact, data, science-based person today, religious reflexive thoughts enter my mind. You used the word "brainwashing", which is precisely the word I use, as it aptly describes the process and the life-long damage done. Don't get me started on organized religion as a whole. Great discussion,
So well expressed! My being a daughter of Evangelical Fundamentalist Southern Baptist missionaries to (former) Belgian Congo in the 60's gives me one THOUSAND percent perspective on the evils done by religion. The denial of logic by all religions is mind jarring. That we should NOT use our innate search for truth is SO very incomprehensible to me. The slaps and whippings I received for "doubting" the WORD OF GOD are memories still with me. I am 80 years of age and still loving to learn from giants such as Richard Dawkins and his ilk.
@user-xd9sq4sz3f Dude, logic is an isomorphism to set theory... which is what your grocer uses to sort apples into one basket and cherries into another. Of course "set theory exists independently of the human mind": it's the most trivial aspect of classical physical objects. That "math works so well to describe reality" has a totally trivial reason: we extracted the basic rules used by mathematicians from reality. ;-)
@user-xd9sq4sz3f Logic is not immaterial. Nature implements a subset of it in the classical world. As far as abstracts are concerned the application of logic always requires an existence proof, first. Why? Because in propositional logic (A is a property of the elements of S and not A is a property of the elements of S) is trivially true if S is the empty set. And once you have that, you can prove anything about the empty set, which makes logic completely useless UNLESS you prove first that your set S contains at least one element. Did you pay any attention in math class? I don't think you did. ;-)
@user-xd9sq4sz3f Are you asking me if a mountain exists independently of your thought of a mountain? Are you the Buddha who sits underneath the tree all day long while his monks are asking poor people for food donations? Dude... ;-)
*_That's because they're not really debating with one another but spreading the same atheistic propaganda. Look how they disagree with people from the audience though. Hardly polite, are they?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
I much prefer this than debating theists who have nothing rational to say. I used to like watching those debates but what's the point, why give them the air of respectability by letting them share the stage with some proper thinkers, the time has come to treat them like the strange man on the bus, just ignore them and let them stay in their own weird world .
+Old timer Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! *_You atheists have been HUMILIATED so much by theists in debate that you now avoid them, eh?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Old timer "Nurse ! Nurse! Zaki Aming has stopped taking his tablets." Hahahahahahahahahaha! *_Don't get so excited Old Timer! Your colostomy bag will come lose again and spread SHIT ALL OVER THE PLACE LIKE THE LAST TIME! YOU WILL HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP THIS TIME!_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
+Old timer hint - I blocked troll Zaki some time ago so i don't see any posts by the fool, and after i did that, food tasted better, my grass looked greener, my sheets smelled fresher, and my car burned less oil. I highly recommend it!
+t r andrews Yes…Blind and brainless followers of these 2 charlatans who can not defend their positions do need to block reason to believe the nasty food coming from these 2.
I remember going (or rather being sent) to bible school every wednesday and there I was told about St Thomas who didn't believe Jesus was back from hell or whatever and wanted proof of that by seeing his wounds. It seems like a very healthy attitude, to demand proof for extraordinary claims. But St Thomas was protrayed as a bad guy for that. Religion teaches children to believe everything they're told without thinking.
Skg Extraordinary claims ? How about this one : Something can come from Nothing ! That is the most extraordinary claim I have ever heard. How is this claim less extraordinary than the claim that God exists ?
+Steve MetalHammer Its the same claim. If God exists and created everything then where did he come from? If something cannot come from nothing that makes no sense because God could not have "willed" himself into existence. It's like saying God can do anything and nothing is impossible for him, but that means he cannot create something that is impossible for him to do. So that becomes impossible even for him. It is a nonsensical paradox.
I was a believer simply because my parents took me to church and raised me as such... I became an atheist in 9th grade and stayed that way for 14 years. I "found" God as they say sometime after that. I struggled very much with faith because like most of you on here I am a critical thinker, analytical, cynical and question most things. Because of this I have a much more mature faith then when I was a child. I sought out "truth" in several religions. I enjoy watching video's like this because I want to challenge myself, I do not simply want to believe in something just because its what make me feel warm and fuzzy. I choose to believe because in my life it's what seems to be most logical. Some deductive reasoning brought me here. But I am who I am so I will not lie to myself, faith does not come easy for me. The doubts will always be there for me and I am okay with that. No need for all the fighting on here, everybody in this comment section is friends with or loves someone who is an atheist or believer. Mutual respect.
@Benny Rich was at reconciliation three weeks ago my friend. But please be careful uttering such phrases as they can be divisive. There is Grace to be had is almost all denominations of Christianity and I have no doubt there are those in Heaven whom never stepped foot in a Catholic church. Yes, we have the sacraments and the Bible teaches to participate in them in order to be in more perfect union. I agree. However God can claim whomever he wants and there are holy and righteous people that will make it, maybe they go to purgatory first, who knows.
@@pooddescrewch8718 Rational skepticisms is my natural mind state. A "leap" a faith for me is is a massive jump over a chasm. But I learned a lot in the argument for a God from teachings from Aquinas, Edith Stein and many many more.
Hmmmmm....... God put two hundred billion trillion stars into the sky just to make it look nice at night when we can only see around 5,000 of them with the naked eye? Critical, analytical questions please.
wow, 5 +1's from an accidental comment! TH-cam sometimes glitches out when you watch playlists of videos. This comment was intended for a video of the first Hitchens vs Turek debate where Hitchens, while obviously not on his best day, and appearing to be ill, so thoroughly crushed Turek, that I felt bad for petty anti-intellectual. As ridiculous and nonsensical and utterly fallacious as Christian apologists are on their best day, Turek is the worst I have ever seen.
+The Vicious Chicken of Bristol *_Creationists DON'T ACCEPT that SOMETHING CAN COME OUT OF NOTHINGNESS!_* *_As for the second part of your question, God made the universe OUT OF HIS OMNIPOTENT WILL!_*
The Vicious Chicken of Bristol "That makes no sense. Out of his will? Where did he get the materials from?" *_ALL OF MATTER is a PRODUCT of God's Will too!_*
The Vicious Chicken of Bristol "How do you know this?" *_Before Matter came to be, IT HAD TO BE ALREADY POSSIBLE, didn't it? And WHERE ELSE do you think that POSSIBILITY of its coming into existence resided - IF NOT IN ITS CREATOR?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
that moment when you go on a binge of watching videos like this and realize after 20 vids one of the main people from them are dead and have been since 2011... :( rip hitchens
@Xavier Foisse for one atheists don't think the universe has arisen from nothing, no one has ever really made that claim in any concrete manner. (if you are referring to the big bang that is an evidence based theory garnered by scientist much smarter than me looking at stars, it in no way is stated to be the start of everything in reality but people seem to have that conception of it) atheists directly claim they have no idea how the universe was formed and through exploring the universe and finding what bit of evidence that's available to us, we have found no reason or proof that would suggest gods exist. doesn't mean they don't, it just means the universe in our current understanding can exist without them two; why the heck are you comparing flat earthers to atheists? i don't even know a good enough analogy for that one. you couldn't have picked two things furthest apart if you tried (im sure someone is going to read this and try and one up that now) Atheism isn't a religion, its not even a belief. in fact its an expulsion of belief (if you want to get into the nitty gritty of semantics knock yourself out, i'm not biting that hook) the whole point of atheism is pretty much rejecting magic, gods, and the supernatural as no evidence is available to definitively prove any of it exists (subjective evidence and anecdotes generally aren't good enough to prove anything, provable means testable and repeatable)
Xavier Foisse - Apparently, you don’t know what an atheist is. An atheist is not convinced there’s a god. That’s it. Atheists have different thoughts on the beginning of the universe - there isn’t an ‘atheists view” on it.
@vlаdimir рutin is аndrеi раnin jfk is jimmy carter Yes I have. I'll let you in on a little secret. I'm a member of the alien species plotting world domination. Our plan is to confuse the human race into submission. That's why we start all of these conspiracy theories. We make people like you believe in crazy things so when we come to take over the world, nobody will ever believe you. Shh, don't tell anyone.
Wonderful program! May I request, please, that all Origins -type discussions be Closed Captioned? If one finds it difficult to hear, it's most discouraging trying to keep in touch with modern scientific rational, thought. It's so important .
creationism is the opposite of Science. In a nutshell, Science observes, then explains. creationism starts with a rigid conclusion and then looks around for natural phenomena that might support this conclusion.
Science does observe... observes God's creation! Not looking for natural phenomena. A painting doesn't need proof that someone painted it. Our very existence is supernatural. Created. As an artist creates artwork first and foremost from his own expression, works the tools and paints he's gathered to craft a blank canvas into a beautiful painting.
@Make Me Believe Scientism certainly observes many deaths in evidence of its own cult like status quo. Good science is good science. Scientism is an unjustified cult based on poor never proven theory for tighter social control and change. Again, good science is good science. However, stating something came from nothing is moronic. Something comes from something. Some thing never comes from no thing and nothing certainly is not pre-existing gases and atoms waiting to randomly collide and bang. These morons have tried to say they have replicated this in experiments before, completely ignorant of the very fact these experiments were created by a pair of hands and a mind in the first place. As we are little creators made in the image of God. He creates, we create. These fools see nothing more than biological androids and just numbers. Never been replicated.
@@lambislion7485 People who believe in god are the only ones claiming something came from nothing. It is a straw man argument. Scientifically we don't understanding nothing because nothing has never been observed so it is nonsensical. Abiogenesis is the frontier we are trying to get to, however we are constantly fighting morons who claim they know we came from a god which is a completely made up idea from the mind of primitive human beings.
it's incredible that theists below think that the theory that our universe is a guided process is more sound than science. Science today have not explained everything far from it, but it will not stop trying.. religion says dont look further we know. it's our book, scroll, stone tablet put down thousands years ago by doubtfull subjective sources and retold /rewritten 100 of times that has all the answers. hmmm..
I am a Muslim and my religion encourages me to search beyond, reason, question and to uncover proofs to glorify and be thankful to the ONE AND ONLY ALLAH. I THANK ALLAH FOR GUIDING ME TO HIS LIGHT AND BEING CONCIOUS OF HIM AND GRATEFUL THATS THE TRUE PATH.
Look stop attacking people based on any reason. You're missing the entire point of this by attacking people for believing in what ever they want. It's not a belief contest and everyone's opinions are their own and they're entitled to them, but education is necessity. If someone who believed in God was here watching this video then they got here by one way or the other, and they are humans trying to learn which is a good thing. People can believe whatever they want but you still need to be kind to them. You're not truly that hateful person you're displaying and you're forgiven for that because we're all fucked up, just conditioned to these things that keep us from displaying our true nature. Human nature is to be kind and coexist with each other and if you use logic and reasoning you'll see that. You've just had years of psychological warfare drilling you to feel a certain way without deciding for yourself. Events and experiences just happen, you're the one who defines what they mean by actually thinking for yourself. Once you start to catch these programs of subconscious thoughts you can analyze and deal with them. If you pay attention you'll start seeing more and more subconscious definition that you're not actually thinking about doing
You're entirely wrong my friend I'd like to break that down into a few parts where first off most theist believe in science as well except for the you wild off the Spectrum you can't say that all non-theist are entirely in the right mind either I can't speak for religion as a whole but I can say that I believe in something divine and you're going to be stuck in a redundant Circle that you never Escape until you have that aha moment to yourself I was completely against any religion up until two months ago I was the king of calling b******* every person of faith that was simply trying to empower themselves by believing in something I would point out the holes that their religion or belief would have and say nope that's wrong don't believe that but then when asked what I believe it's like well I don't know I don't have faith in anything finding truth and finding faith are two different things secondly I like to address your manner in your comment we are all human beings and if you subscribe to the people are horrible concept then you need to take a look at the reality you're creating in front of you it's a mirror bro try to smile every now and then point the spotlight on how amazing and good human beings are instead of the minuscule Petty contrary and you'll see a completely different play presented for you. Sorry talk-to-text sucks but by commenting here about people believing differently than you do what was your goal did you just come here to troll others and put other people down or did you actually intend on educating someone and in belief that your belief is correct try to use respect and kindness and be humble to your brothers and sisters of man rudeness and disrespect came out instead my point being people are good yes there are evil people but by our nature as a whole people are good and people are beautiful human beings are the most amazing discovery in the observable universe regardless what origin system you subscribe to listen to me or not please just take this advice and try to be more kind to other people shift your paradigm and give that a shot instead of focusing on the negative and seeing negative try to focus on the positive and then analyze what you see
How to molest women for years and get a way with it. Them and OJ are biggest legends in escaping the law. But he at least had Naked Gun movies, they don't even have that. Just old, sad, sexual offenders looking on each other thinking of "mild prison rape" or something...
@Michael Brown thx 4 replyng mate , atheism was spread like a plaghe here in indonesia , every grup that meant to educate ,theres always bunch of atheist there , even in christian and muslim grup funny thing is , they were seen as. a bunch of jokes here 🎃🎃🎃 and fun fact , atheist dont want religious people to tell other people about their religion ,but why atheist kinda force us to join atheism , why double standart 😂🤣
@Michael Brown It's quite funny to read what you have to say. How do you feel about other religions? There are over 4000 of them, so why is it that the one you are raised with is the only true one? And why do people, no matter what religion, also believe that their god or gods are the only true ones? Have you considered to open your eyes and use your brain, instead of relying on what other people are telling you? As an example something that was written down thousands of years ago in a book. Back then, science was in its infancy and we knew barely anything about the world - which is why there are so many stories and ideas that don't make sense, that we can easily disprove with modern science - not that you believe in any real science of course. Yet you probably enjoy the internet - does your god get the credit for that one too? You people sure are interesting, quite delusional, but interesting.
Although i'm an atheist, It never gets in my head these theories that something can come from nothing because nothing means literally NOTHING, no empty space, no laws of physics and nature, no chaos, no time, if something can come from nothing, then "nothing" doesn't exist.
My thoughts exactly, an actual nothing is absurd. The big bang was the start of time so the way I see it before that there was no time so something was there but there would have been nothing perceivable by the likes of humans since we are temporal creatures. In that way our universe as we know it was born from an eternity rather than actually nothing.
borntobustass "My thoughts exactly, an actual nothing is absurd. The big bang was the start of time so the way I see it before that there was no time so something was there but there would have been nothing perceivable by the likes of humans since we are temporal creatures. In that way our universe as we know it was born from an eternity rather than actually nothing." *_And that "ETERNITY" would be its CREATOR, would it not?_*
i don't think like that but i don't have any good theory, i guess there are things that unfortunately we will never know. I've just seen a debate with Neil deGrasse Tyson, Lawrence Krauss etc speending 2 hours talking about "Nothing" you should chek out. The video is "The Existance of Nothing"
Nothing is the word chosen to describe it, but it is not nothing as we understand it. Beyond that, we don't know yet what kind of nothing there was before proposed theories of the beginning of the universe. That's what we're trying to figure out. In the absence of proof that it was the Sky Fairy, we're better off using Occam's Razor and going on from there.
Unfortunately, you are much closer to reality than you think. Did you ever wonder where the never-ending inflation is coming from? Banks do indeed fabricate "money" out of nothing - only they do it to inflate their own worth in the form of debt obligations. This is in fact what happens every time you go and get a loan; They actually create your debt out of nothing. It is a perfectly legalized way to manipulate the money supply, known as 'fractional reserve banking', which is a very dirty and well-kept but could be regarded the most important secret in the world. It is effectively a scam which defrauds you of your wealth. The U.S. government even recently used the corona situation as a pretext to reduce the reserve requirements on some loans to zero. If you want to know how it works, watch the first chapter of Peter Joseph's 'Zeitgeist: Addendum' here, and prepare to have your mind blown: th-cam.com/video/HbvCxMfcKv4/w-d-xo.html
@@ole555 Everyone needs to know this. It is indeed one of the most kept secret. the corona situation shows what politics actually is: brainwash people into allowing their wealth and rights to be taken away. Not just the money value. It gets used to force people to buy masks. This is greatly abused and the reason why it is widely endorsed despite the people advocating against it at first when they were not available suddenly changed their mind. their are other equally abused concepts that are as dangerous as a forced inflation. Racism and Society issues get abused the same way. They cast fear of persecution into the mind of minorities to use words like racist to discredit people when they made sense. Thats also where all the rape accusations of famous people suddenly come from. All politics is is brainwashing people to like their own oppression. As example, in Germany you get brainwashed to not be opposed to refugees even if they commit crimes. The government makes an active effort to get more into the country. Why? because they get lots of money from the state that come feom taxes that end up in the hands of people owning the real estate they live in and so on. thats why left wing politics tries to make not working people get more money. Its essentially a way to rob the tax money by controlling where it ends up in the end. Same with climate change. All trash is made by companies selling it with everything you buy. When u throw it away, it gets sold by companies or dumped in the sea for financial reason. Same with gases. they all get produced by producing products to be sold. But people are brainwashed to think they as consumers are damaging the enviroment or the air by driving cars. All that to push products and laws that restrict your freedom in way that benefits the companies responsible. Essentially everything gets twisted and used to take money away. The problem is that it can only be stopped by enough people realizing it, but that will never happen.
@@freddan6fly First of all, how is "the alternative" worse? You mean an _actually government-issued_ currency without a profit motive behind its control and without debt directly built into its very creation would somehow make the world worse? Or are you maybe just positing the old propaganda canard that the central banks are "stabilizing" the economy and protecting us from the business cycle? Second of all, if that is really what the countries are trying to do, they seem to have incredibly bad aim, considering that the effective buying power of a unit of currency has only dropped precipitously for maybe centuries all over the industrialized world. I guess government economists are just too stupid to simply look at a graph of the absolute index of the official poverty line over time and see how wrong they (and you) are. The whole monetary scheme is quite obviously designed to systematically benefit the people who don't need loans and fleece the people who are dependent on them. The debt-currency scam should be the easiest part of it to understand.
Sanity and logic can be so refreshing sometimes, especially after a day of explaining to believers that Noah probably did not really have room for enough Magic Refrigerators to keep all the fresh vegetation tasty for the animals for a whole year.
***** The Ken Ham scientists on his payroll have concluded definitively with their precise calculations that Noah used the deadly methane gas from all the animal poop to power not only the Holy Magic Refrigerators, but also the air conditioning units to keep the polar bears content and the heaters to keep the tropical critters happy. Noah kept Himself busy mostly trying to figure out what KIND of animal the platypus mammal was, with a duck's bill on the front end, the habit of laying eggs but no feathers, and a beaver's tail, actual fish eyes, the fur of a weasel, and real snake venom in spines on its hind legs and the webbed feet of a frog.
Kassandra Echebima LIFE is never still. Death is still. At birth we all await death as the sands of time slip away. Fear not! All is as it should be and you need not struggle so.
***** lol, lol Death is not Be still and observe For surely a lost wanderer observes the compass And a searching-man observes the Star p:s It appears that the continuation of converse has allowed you to fabricate authority or a false reality, and in so doing uttering many litters of words that do not exist, not in meaning, and not in relevance. Anyhow, let us await, and see what is birth [and death, we seek against; the none-existent]; yet you shall bear what you have carried. Truth
I was lucky enough to meet Lawrence Krauss this weekend and hear him speak and every time I hear him speak I get a better picture of not only the universe but also why there is such misconceptions about it in religious and faith based circles. Those that are religious do NOT like new information and what little new information they allow in is already a hundred years old because it takes them that long to adapt it so that it fits into their beliefs and can reinterpret what they find in the bible and other scriptures in order to let it fit the new information. For a very long time the earth was the center of the known univers and what is known for sure was paultry. Just a few planets and everything else were just dots poked into the shroud that lay beyond and I guess what lay beyond was the kingdom of heaven. God was easy to accept and our place was the universe and it was ALL about us. As Krauss says, 85 years ago what was known about the universe was that it was just our galaxy and it was fixed, permanent in time and unchanged - THAT is something that with some effort can be attributed to a god, ALMOST. Major mental gymnastics need to be done to reconcile that information but I can see how it could be done. Now we know there are BILLIONS of galaxies and pretty much know that the universe had a specific start and is spreading out forever so how can you reconcile that with the idea of a god? You ignore it or push what you think is god out beyond it. To conceit from the earth being the universe to accepting that we are the smallest spec of dust in relationship to the universe is impossible to believe that a god made the universe for us. And yet people work very very very hard to convince themselves of just that. Religion is based on a lack of knowledge and before people had the excuse that the information was not available. Now there is so much information available that there is NO excuse to still believe there is a god that created a universe for us so the only way people can do it is to simply NOT ACCEPT the information and purposefully completely change the concept of god to encompass it. To believe in a god is to lie to yourself. To believe there is a god is to choose ignorance. To have a god is to deny reality in favor of something that doesn't scare you. God is just a concept and a concept is something we use to encompass a great many thing into a single thing to make it easier to understand.
Colin Barr Easy, this Universe didn't cause itself, just because. Where did the energy and matter come from? Why was there a big bang? Why is this, the only planet with life, that evolved on it? If you think this is all by chance, then you have more faith than anyone, who believes in God or the afterlife. We have much to learn as a species. Keep an open mind. Best wishes.
***** Thor exists like it or not. Flying pink unicorns exist like it or not. AND there is a flying spaghetti monster that has reached god status, like it or not. And YOU can not prove any of them aren't. Buddy.
***** "So sad watching failed minds such as yours. Bigotry knows no boundaries." But, aren't you one of those who believe that SOMETHING CAN COME OUT OF NOTHINGNESS? Is it even POSSIBLE to have a better example of a failed mind than that? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
+Toten Kommando Now you seem to have an overwhelming obsession of Anti-Christian sentiment. A vicious cycle. Don't reply to someone who is begging for attention.
It’s fascinating how different people think about their surroundings. I remember from a very young age questioning the religion I was brought up in and thinking wow you really believe things without evidence. Yet people continue to this day to go their entire lives without doing so. While enjoying the benefits directly of people who realized how the world really works. I wish evolution would speed up on some people.
It was obvious magical thinking to adhere to the bible as your source of knowledge . Its easily seen by children but then they are usually ill equipped to deal with the gaslighting and circular reasoning adults use to enfeeble their natural scientific curiosity .
But do they? do they realize the world fully? and here comes religion. but of course even in religion only blind faith is not good, one should look for answers and search for it. as one great being said once 'half learning makes you an athiest and full learning makes one religious' something like that.
I remember being a kid going to church (Methodist) and being convinced that these amazing, scientifically literate men and women speaking out and engaging in the incredible defense of atheist modes of thinking were essentially modern-day villains. We were being taught that these people who spoke up against religion and against the church were intrinsically evil and were lead astray by the devil to persuade us all into damnation. I am so immeasurably glad that I picked up a book on astrophysics and particle physics and got interested in science and its vast and diverse fields of study in order to shed the cloth "wool" from my eyes so that I can see clearly what life has to offer. I feel so much more alive as an "anti-theist" than I ever did as a Christian. only about 3 years into my newly free life and I absolutely have no interest in turning back. I in fact cannot even think of the possibility of ever believing in a religion of any kind ever again. I'm glad to have found a community of like-minded people who actually encourage debate and rational thinking rather than just "leaving it in the hands of the lord".
You irrationally made anti-theism a meaning for your life. I suggest reading some philosophy books and also about some other religions before jumping into this train.
@@tunahankaratay1523 also I see shopping around religions to see which one fits my moral fortitude best as a complete waste of time and anyone who chooses to do so is incapable of seeing religion for what it truly is.
@@niceshotmano The difference is if your working on your relationship with God your not seeking pride or admiration from men. It becomes more and more worthless to you.
I do agree that it is hard to grasp the time scale. Recently I was explaining to my 11 years old daughter how the megafauna has died. I told her that this happened not long time ago, about 10000 years ago. She directly asked me what do I mean by "not long ago". It was an interesting question. For almost every time scale I can take it was not long ago as in comparison with 13 billion of the universe, 4.5 billion of planet earth, 64 millions of dinosaurs being gone to heaven :-) or even 3 millions of human evolution megafauna died just a moment ago. My daughter did understand this concept and I felt sorry for all those creationists who didn't have somebody to explain to them the world.
***** No, he's thinking for himself (which is a good thing) and not letting a storybook run his life. Hate to break it to you but some people grow up and face reality, whereas some don't.
Luckily I was not brainwashed as a child. I believed in evolution in grade school. I still own one of the first books that I read about the subject in about fourth/fifth grade. The title was the first man in the world. It was the absolute beginning of me questioning religion for the rest of my life. And that was in 1954.
So many angry religious people in the comments. This is not a video intent on explaining why atheism makes more sense than theism. It's just an interesting discussion of our modern understanding of the universe. If it helps you cope to believe in some highly improbably doctrines, go ahead. Just shut up about how you think your nonsense is somehow more valid than scientific discoveries. There is no more debate. Theism may disappear over time or stay with us forever but there is already enough information out there to lead a reasonable person to reject religion.
I'm sorry that you feel fear in regards to my conclusion on the validity of religion. I do not regard the love of a fictitious character as meaningful in any way. But, I hope you can stop being afraid of reality and one day relies that you can think for yourself, there is no eternal hell fire waiting to gobble you up if you ever question your religion.
jay choi God is fair and God is just. Most people don't like to admit that. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." - The Word of God. Everyone gets what they deserve. But there can be forgiveness and salvation through Jesus Christ. If you choose the dark, how will you complain? Accept the Lord today and be saved.
as an Iraqi born & raised in Baghdad where religion is a big thing! not a big thing in my life since childhood! but I grew up as a muslim who never practice, not anymore for sure!! all religions are fake
u guys are both wrong ur own people destroyed form your retarded culture not religion. bagdad used to be a place for higher thinking around the 1200s. kings and queens would send their kid their for learning. or did u forget your own history. islam is not at fault since after islam people thrived culture changed and people misinterpreted islam not to mention it was destroyed by politics
Joe Grantstranger9865 you are a dipshit! only a true fool defends ignorance. seeking understanding in the natural world isn't blasphemy, it's curiosity and it's the most human part of us.
"who cares what feels good, who cares what makes you feel comforted, who cares what helps you sleep at nights. What matters is whats true" I think more people need to really take this sentence in and reflect that in their lives, so many people cling to a religion due to the fact that without it they feel hopeless.
@@faisalarif3461 Simple , because there is no evidence to support the belief nor is there a need to believe . Its an unnecessary imposition to assert god into the study of physics and nature .
So respect all these guys. They are so passionate about getting their messages across to people, they make the effort to write books and read aloud on audible in order to reach people of all learning capacities
@God's creature Dennet develops intellectual tools . Intuittion pumps and the like meant to help establish a fringe from which to establish a basic orientation in regards to enigmatic subject matter . However , one can hammer a nail with a wrench . Application is everything , efficiency is the goal .
@May Ling Its of higher order than testimonial in court . It can be reproduced and attributed to but a single source and provide basis for prediction that will validate it even further . That is knowledge . What these religious people pretend they have is certitude . Which is of course , for a finite mind and being , completely impossible . Knowledge is the highest order of belief justified by facts to such a degree that its irrational not to accept . What they have is simple edict sourced forom inevident authority with no proof whatsoever .
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It's just beautiful… Two intelligent, cultured people talking. No moderators needed.
This entire comments section is dedicated to the intellectually shallow judging the intellectually deep as "stupid". Congrats on getting it completely ass backwards.
Which group is the intellectually shallow? I don't see why there are so many comments calling religious people stupid. Just explain to them what theory means. Help them out to discover science.
Relax Ken I like gay men -- Ken give me an amen Ken: A-mmmmmeeeeen!" Dear god the boy needs Jesus , please save him from these demons , and by the way give me a prostitute while my wife's sick in the hospital"" I'm a criminal! -- Eminem
People's anecdotes will change from "I was at Woodstock" or "I was at that Sex Pistols gig" to "I saw Dawkins/Krauss having a conversation about science". I love it. 👌
Simen Sebastian Thoresen Funny thing we dont believe we know everything and that is more then shown on this video and in any scientific debate, research anything for that matter, but you believe you know everything you believe you know the origin of life, of humans, but proofs that you have are absolutely 0.
*Magical time vs. INTELLIGENCE.* With magical time anything can happen *OR* with INTELLIGENCE we can get the fine tuning parameters of the universe and the exquisite, optimal, intricate designs we see in nature. INTELLIGENCE destroys magical time in this competition. It takes stupidity and blind faith to believe that the fine tuning parameters of the universe and the biotechnological designs we see in nature came about because there was enough time for it to happen and THAT'S IT! INTELLIGENCE is the more logical, rational, credible and intelligible position which doesn't require blind faith, just a little faith to believe that this GREAT INTELLIGENCE exists.
+Zaki Aminu Thanks. Intelligence is something they have a hard time arguing against. Krauss reveals over and over again that his position against the Creator is philosophical and has nothing to do with science.
Christianity gave us science ...it was hijacked by a mob of angry atheists whose wishes are to destroy it and redefine it....you cant name a single Atheist who founded a major branch of modern science ...it is all Christians, ...modern Geology, Physics, Astronomy, Biology, Genetics, ...its all Christians ....and some of them were clergy
@@lukevillarreal973 Bollocks. Most were Jews. They woke up long before any Christian was born and Greeks before Christians too. Grow up and smell the roses.
yeah nice fiction talk with no basis in nature and no foundation in science. this is what is called scientism. theories based on the mental degeneration of the person, actually ignoring laws of nature that we have alraedy proven. do not let them fool you and listen critically. ask the right questions.
It's true that the idea of eternity, let alone torture for eternity, is so beyond our comprehension that Abrahamic religion took advantage of this, using fear to convert and spread.
Here’s some information I found - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/evidenceoftheresurrection/ investigates Christianity with Reason and Logical Evaluation. Using Evidences and Sources that establishes reasons for reliable truthful reporting, and explains Proven Biblical Manuscript History ( Historiography ) being the most testified in ancient manuscripts - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/manuscriptevidenceofthebiblepages/ Also answers sceptic accusations trying to discredit witness accounts. Worth a read
science is not about finding the answers to everything, its more about asking why things happen as they do, and dismissing those that have no evidence of their claims at all.
Atheism is not an alternative to religion, it's simply a rejection of theism. It is a philosophy without content. Saying it's a religion is like saying abstinence is a sex position. Quoting theology isn't going to convince those who reject theism in the first place.
Deism, atheism and agnosticism are considered philosophies, mainly because they don't have any organized doctrine. Atheists tend to be former theists who have had enough of it.
I more or so see it like the word "gay". originally it had a different meaning. But now its loosely used, and has a different meaning (and is likewise controversial). its more or so a word with the same spelling and slightly different meaning now, (a homonym). Hence I'm an atheist, but with the looser more modern take. So next time there is a "fire", "fire" your weapon.
It's a big tent philosophy, which means atheists tend to disagree with each other about philosophy all the time. Anyone could be a Realist or an Idealist, these are philosophical labels. But the meaning of these labels don't tend to change, they still mean basically the same thing they always have.
SpaceTimeMachine Science needs to override and replace their 'facts' at regular intervals whenever they are proven erroneous. The Bible reveals truth that has been attacked and vetted countless times each year it has always remained true without need of change Truth is impregnable irreducible and complete. If altered in any way the result is untruth .
This is just 2 men bouncing ideas off each other to build their own confidence in what they believe. Thank you Richard Dawkins for helping to spread the Gospel.
don't worship Cow, don't worship idols, don't worship human being, Don't worship money, don't worship stars, don't worship the sun or moon, don't worship this wordly life, but worship the creator who created them all. The one who created you. he puts for you eyes which much better than any kind of new camera, puts for you eras so you can hear the things around you, puts for you a mind which is much complicated than any super computer that have ever been made. gave you hands to move things easily and fingers to hold things, legs to move you anywhere. and so on so forth. and then he made for you a male if you are a female or a female if you are a male so you can love each other and keep the race of the human being. all of these signs are not enough for you guys ? I believed in the one only true God and I believe that Moses, Noah, Jesus, Abraham, Muhammad and others peace be upon them all are his prophets and messengers.
You're the kind of person whose brain can scarcely comprehend its own existence. I hope you have the same slender grasp of gravity, fail to acknowledge its merit, and you float the fuck away.
Ryan Rigby Ha ha, What a pity there are you who are to be respected as fellow humans and world neighbours, but who cannot use reason or wisdom, but only the foul language of thugs... : ))
Who is this fucking creator, that never shows himself, never has been proven, never seems to exist except in human made mythology. Seems to be an excuse or comfort blanket, but not based in reality. Too many myths, so little time. Not worth taking a single one of them seriously, as all are mostly debunked, discredited and outright ridiculous.
***** Ha ha, Does that mean "Don't worship" the word of "Atheism" as a false God of self; or "Don't worship" what should be our true God, that of the word of "Truth"? ... : ))
@vlаdimir рutin is аndrеi раnin jfk is jimmy carter Well...there are many phenomena that are ONLY explained by the earth being a globe. So what we see in the night-sky would make no sense at all if we would be a square or flat or pyramid shaped. So we can literally SEE us revolving around the sun...long before we started to take photos of our planet from the distance. Even some ancient greeks figured that out...with two sticks. - And no...I personally have not been to space...but I also haven't been on top of the mount Everest or seen a giant squid...but I don't have any reason to believe that everyone who HAS been there or seen one lied to me. So people have been to space...and what they found there matches the things I can test from earth..while NONE of the things I can test on earth matches the idea of a flat plane...at least not with a basic understanding of physics. And I know that flat earthers believe in loads of stuff they can't see...like dome or a magic magnetic mountain or an Ice ring or a second sun or other stuff. - And no I haven't proven it myself...(if you don't count watching a sunrise) but I have not seen anyone disproving it...while not failing at elementary school physics.
+Romolus Wayne Lucinus Ha ha, "Gentlemen"? "Good money"? They would love nothing better than your hard earned money! But, where to learn how to live in the Spirit of truth peace and goodwill to all men and women, will cost you nothing at all: And is worth far more than all the treasures on Earth! ... : ))
In the Q&A session, someone young man asked tremulously if there was some way to disseminate ''this information'', more widely(meaning what these two scientists had been discussing for the last hour or so), and I am amazed at the poverty of this question. It seems that the obvious answer should be to bring up children to become readers of books. You may attend as many lectures of these and other eminent scientists as you like, but unless you have read their books, you will never truly grasp what they are talking about. The fundamental problem with many schools is that they deny children the kind of education early on that will open doors for them into the two important sciences of evolutionary biology and physics. There are socio-political forces working against imparting a sound education to young children, as opening their minds to science will threaten the status quo of societies based on what I would call "dumbism".
is what he saying ??? first there was the void, only empty space, then there was one quantum particle from somewhere, then later there were more quantum particles from somewhere, then later there were compounds, etc... but, where did the empty space come from? even so, it's always good to remember that raw energy can convert to mass (matter).
According to quantum mechanics space it self coming out of existence from nothing According to Heisenberg uncertainty principle (energy ,time ) causes something called zero point energy This is the minimum energy of a system empty space is actually unstabel . For a very short amount of time for a very tinny volume since time is too small so there is big uncertainty in energy for that space so this energy causes virtual particles pair of particle and antiparticle and then in fraction of time they get annhillate so the total energy must be conserved . just search something about it then you would have idea what's going on .it's going to be intresting . Thanks 😊
@@spiralgaming8940 personally i think we are asking the question the wrong way around. the nothing is a made thing by the universe. imagine a universe where you couldn't die even if your head was blown off? how would that work? then you see why there has to be a nothing.... a universe made thing. the universe is the creator of everything - us , nothing, everything
I watched this whole video in full screen and by the end I forgot I was on TH-cam. Imagine the horror when I re-size the video and go from an intelligent conversation between two elite scientists to the roiling cauldron of vomit that is the TH-cam comment section.
PoofyKittyPants Ha ha, Then why have you added your own words of "roiling cauldron of vomit that is the TH-cam comment section" to this comment section? ... ; ))
PoofyKittyPants Ha ha, Then why not try living outside of yourself and outside your own limitation of thought that you unkindly put into words about my thought (Perhaps?) put into comments as invited by TH-cam in the box provided above? Try living in the thought and in the Spirit of truth peace and goodwill to all men and women. That of which Yeshua sacrificed his flesh and blood to teach us! ... ; ))
Abdealii: Brilliant? You're not listening. In answer to a question on the belief in a god by the suffering masses (1hr 39m), Dawkins says " Who cares what brings them comfort.." He is an elitist who has lived a life of great privilege. Dawkins neither knows nor cares how the ordinary people live.
I grew up without religious indoctrination. In Germany, Berlin. My father...a American soldier...my mother Irish-German. Of course I had religious studies in school ( you had to pick the Evangelical or Catholic denomination ) and found it extremely interesting in a historical sense...nothing more. While in Berlin and young I would climb over fenced areas into " protected areas " of nature. Of course I could've got in trouble because it is illigal and some species aren't " human " friendly 🤣 as a young moron I figured a switzer pocket knife stuck via ducktape on the tip of a stick was enough protection... But ok, what I wanted to explain is...individuals that spend hours in nature observing it and really thinking about its mechanism will come to evolution naturally. I did. Ants were the most obvious...from them I learned that they all looked similar but have different habitats and strengths/weaknesses. I also was fascinated by fungi and plants and the many adaptions.... Years later when confronted with Darwin's ideas I instantly thought there's really nothing special here because no other explination makes any sense....then I started reading about Alexander Van Humboldt, Alfred Wallace, Thomas Huxley, Asa Gray and from there went into the modern synthesis of Evolutionary theory ( Theodosius Dobhzansky, Ernst Mayr, Julian Huxley, Sidney Brenner, Christian De Duve, Ronald Fisher etc ) and then into the what I call extensions of Evolutionary theory like Lynn Morgulis / Endosymbiosis...Carl Woese and his work with 16sRna & Phylogenetics...Barbara McClintock and Transposons...Frederick Griffith and Horizontal Gene Transfer...Quantum Biology etc. Most individuals have zero and I mean NULL clue about these subjects. It takes hours of study to absorb the evidence, mechanisms and history of Evolutionary biology and Genetics. So when somebody tries to tell me Evolution is just a "theory" and God did it I laugh and tell them sure...now please provide some evidence. Of course there is none. Historians are all over the place but thru further scrutiny I realized they have NOTHING. Christian apologists use philosophical arguments that lack often critical thinking skills and completely disregard the arguments of many non religious individuals ( best presented in " The Portable Atheist " by Christopher Hitchens or " Doubt: A History " by Jennifer Michael Hecht ) without ever doing so convincingly... I took my time really trying to see why so many believe in religious arguments...but failed. Compared to modern science and philosophy...the religious perspective has really one big problem= Methodological Naturalism. When one human being somehow manages to present an repeatable experiment proving there is SOMETHING supernatural ( meaning outside/separate of the natural material world ) convincingly....i might rethink my position. Until then...i prefer the beauty and explanatory power of modern science.
I asked myself how could anyone be stupid enough to be religious in a modern world. I found the shocking answer: most people believe what they want to believe because they like it to be that way. the idea comforts them and is tied to the identity these people have given themself. Thats why you get irrational emotional reactions from them. Proving them wrong gets perceived as attacking the persons identity. When its tied to the identity, taking it away gets perceived as a threat.Thats what causes their response. I observe the same phenomenon in other matters. When you disprove something that is emotionally tied to person, you wont get rational behaviour. If I call out that someone has been lied to by a friend, instead of thanking me I get personally attacked ? Why thought? its completely irrational, yet it is so common. its because the brain forces them to act that way to prevent the painful realization to take place. Lying to themself to avoid the unpleasant feeling of the consequences. For me, its the kind of behavior that makes me the most furious because it prevents people from aquiring knowledge that is actually useful. because most people sadly value a delusional feeling more than the truth without realizing that they harm themselfs.
Comparitive religion should be required learning . I have noticed a greater acceptance of science in those who were forced to learn about not just their religion but others and also atheism . In fact I have seen a great many drop their prior belief system for either a deist or atheistic position on the facts .
@@sshreddderr9409 It is about the fear of their own death and the mystery of it and loss of the sense of control that we all develop as a coping mechanism .
The purpose of science is a continuous study of our natural surroundings, gather evidence, and evaluate the evidence to build our knowledge of the world we live in. If the knowledge does not provide concrete answers (as an example for simplicity sake, the sky is blue), then we are left with assumptive reasoning. This is why science should always allow for open-mindedness when it comes to topics that are not concrete. Nothing should be an exception to this way of thinking. It's ok if we subscribe to a belief that is based on some level of reasonable assumptions, but if we do not leave room to being open-minded, we can eventually find ourselves defending something with irrational bias. The evolution belief/paradigm should be no different. We all should take the time to be open minded and consider a different paradigm/belief without scourging the other side. Especially when the evolution paradigm dead-ends at three of the most important unexplainable pivotal moments in time... a) nothing in space turning into something b) something dead turning into something living c) something living turning into the mind-bending genetic & dna-filled complexity known as man. When the only answer to those questions is if given enough time, those things can occur, that isn't even remotely an answer that should convince anyone to automatically subscribe to that theory. A genuine discussion and debate with open-minded people needs to be had to evaluate real evidence. I think what reasonable people will find without me infusing my religious beliefs would be there are way too many assumptions being made to stand solely on the evolutionary paradigm. If everyone could set aside your personal experiences with man whether in a church or outside the walls of a church in a science forum for a moment, deconstruct what you've learned, and actually rely on evidence, we'd reasonably find room to consider another possibility other than the evolution belief. Take the journey with an open mind...
@@aprilgroup6143 I listened to merely 9:25 - 10:15. (I must have listened to the part leading up to that some time ago-but I don’t recall). People that allow in that kind of drivel (as from an authority) are not likely to be interested in how we actually got here. Intellectually, it’s dishonest... Like the blind leading the blind-both fall into a pit.
I never realized Dr. Krauss was this humble. He doubtless could have interjected many times to supplement what Dr. Dawkins was saying, but he held back. If I had to choose between a conversation with Dr. Dawkins, and being knighted by the queen, I would choose the former. Of course, the same applies for Dr. Krauss, in case he reads this lol
You better home the Queen doesn't read this.
Well the queen’s dead so….💀💀
You're kidding right? He's telling him everything he wants to hear. Of course he's going to be humble.
@@fordhamdonnington2738They didn’t even agree on everything in this video.
Same. Granted I’m American. lol.
Such incredibly knowledgeable people. Their critical thinking skills are amazing. We need more people like them in this world. And so glad both of them are professors/educators for younger people eager to learn.
*****
Ha ha,
So you would advise against youngsters learning how to live in the Spirit of truth peace and goodwill to all men and women? ... : ))
L.Ron Dow
Ha ha,
I was replying to what was perhaps a more sensible person and not a dishonest gossiper, name caller and slanderer, with only love for himself:
As you show yourself to be!
Who thinks himself too high and mighty to live in the Spirit of truth peace and goodwill!
Like all criminals!
And it is because you know only the evil of Atheism! ... : ))
*****
1 Peter 3:9
This may not happen until religion is thrown out of this world.
*****
Ha ha,
And none more so to be "Thrown out of this world" than all of you who religiously worship yourselves to be above all that is "Truth" in his true teaching, through the dishonesty hate and slander that becomes the false religion and the evil cult; Atheism; a false God of all self-worship, self-righteousness and all such self-deceit! ... : ))
- Matthew 12; 30-37 -
Warning for those who are mentally sane, do not read comments below you will lose it.
JTB Pred
Ha ha,
Do you mean a "Warning" for the "Mentally" insane, who don't want to live in the Spirit of truth peace and goodwill to all men and women?
And who have already lost it?... : ))
*****
i was referring to the smart people... you know the atheists...
JTB Pred
"i was referring to the smart people... you know the atheists..."
Hahahahahahahahahahaha! *_If they are made INSANE by reading mere COMMENTS from other folk, they're not that smart, are they?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
JTB Pred This is the third warning down...
Challenge accepted.
***** the loser here is you, I didnt know you like eating bull shit that nasty.. ***** if you never started taking stupid pill you still be a Christian...
I sorely miss Christopher Hitchens, but so very glad we still have these erudite gentlemen to keep illuminating truth seekers against brain-washing, pseudo-science, superstitions and delusions.
There are several other reasonable folk out there, including de Grasse Tyson, and even General Melchet (Stephen Fry).
@@ohgosh5892 Indeed, I’m in complete agreement with you about those gentlemen, and don’t forget Steven Pinker and Sean Carrol too, they are amazing. As you probably know, the ever clever Stephen Fry was a good friend of Hitchens.
@@AFMMD-q8 Indeed. We just need some equivalent folk to take on brexit and the current tory government. I'm no longer prepared to tolerate tory lies any further.
If anything, I think Matt Delahunty is even better. he knows the bible from top to bottom and can see through BS from 5 miles
@@patman142 What's fascinating about such people is that despite being indoctrinated with religion they saw the light and became aware of the bullshit of religion and stopped believing in God too whereas on the other hand there's me who doesn't believe in religion at all and also doesn't want to believe in God but can't because it scares me that something bad will happen to me. And it's very frustrating. Even writing this is giving me anxiety 😰
I have to thank Richard Dawkins for making me interested in science.... now I'm a nerd and it's the best type of person I could have ever been...
takudzwa mazwienduna You just get dumber if you believe in theory....
Kill Bill do u know what the word theory means in science? Stfu
Kill Bill ah, I disbelieve in the theory of gravity, I have gained 100 IQ!
Cheshire Tiger Has a fellow nerd and science lover I can show overwhelming evidence of there being a creative intelligence behind all that exists. I do quite welcome any challenges to the contrary...
Cheshire Tiger yes but in all intellectual honesty can I not say the very same of you?
Lawrence's and Richard's penchant for humor make it clear that the pursuit of learning is a joy ...
***** as "Hitch" once said "the man forged manacles of religion are not liberating" ... believing anything without proof is nonsensical ... you have been brainwashed ... all religions are sick !!!
daryl H
" as "Hitch" once said "the man forged manacles of religion are not liberating" ... believing anything without proof is nonsensical ... you have been brainwashed ... all religions are sick !!!"
*_What "liberates" YOU is to believe that THE UNIVERSE CAME OUT OF NOTHINGNESS, eh?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! *_HOW is that sort of "liberation" different from TAKING LEAVE OF YOUR SENSES AND SANITY?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Zaki Aminu nice they took your straightjacket off long enough for you to peck at your keypad ...
daryl H
"nice they took your straightjacket off long enough for you to peck at your keypad ..."
Hahahahahahahahahahaha! *_In the meantime, YOU are the one who believes that SOMETHING CAN COME OUT OF NOTHINGNESS, aren't you?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Zaki Aminu all the gods came from nothing more than ignorant imaginations ... sorry your ancestors were Bonobos who didn't quite know whether to eat the banana or sit on it ...
I'm not sure who penned this quote but I remember reading "Science asks questions that may never be answered while religion offers answers that may never be questioned". It has stuck with me ever since.
Hello Friend , wanted to share this debate with you , that you would see the other side of evolution, did the universe created it self our did some intelligent Being created it .
God bless you !
m.th-cam.com/video/PqHgrUu4ZWg/w-d-xo.html
I would rather living with questions I cannot answer than to live with answers I cannot question .
@@georgeelmerdenbrough6906 I would rather live whit the truth ,than believe in vain thinks.
@@karoliskarolis5514 I do not care what dreck you rather . Buzz off .
I like the double meaning of may here, pointing out both probability and being allowed to do something
An agnostic from Pakistan. I'm always excited to learn something new. Wish I am in America and enjoy these discourses live. Love these intellectuals. ✌️
So by some means you consider them prophets of Atheism ?
Right on brother!!
After 12 years through 3 American presidents, this talk is still relevant. How many more presidential terms will religion take possession of people”s mind and soul if science and critical thinking are not taught properly in schools?
It is going to take a very long time as religion is so entrenched in American society……. Even although many from within the church do not believe the “ stories in the bible” The going to church itself is not such a bad thing as mostly only the better bits from the bible are cherry picked. …..luckily.
"something from nothing" sounds like my ex when ever she starts arguements with me.
Lol good one!
@Robert Vann Complete nonsense, check your facts before your argue bucko.
@@moatasemkassab4517 How about "Nothing" happens without a force acting on it. High school physics F=ma pounds
@Robert Vann 😅😂🤣 Some men just cain’t be hepped. Keep your eyes on the ground, your rabbit’s foot in your pocket, your holy book in your hand. Pobrecito. 🙄
On point . Once you are married u will have an infinite nothings culminating to mutiple somethings
"My grandfather wasn't a monkey."
"Well in your case thats not so clear." This made me lol
it makes sure ur born to pig bro
@Christ is king just quoting a ridiculous book is no evidence for god, jesus etc. But using too many capital letters is a evidence for a dumb-assed mind.
personal testimonies without scientific proof are just nice fairy-tales.
This made you because you obviously lack education. And so does the one who said it.
@Christ is king Go fuck yourself.
@@markoheneka I think it's clear as crystal that "green eggs and ham by Dr Seuss" has more depth than your ability could strain with much effort to grasp!!
Let's be fair here though and give you a chance!... A brand new start in fact with some positive motivation!!
Why don't you gather up all your reference material and rubber bands and create a book for all of us to live by as I am sure it will be a number one best seller throughout the entire world!!
It's very obvious to me that you are up for the challenge as you present to be a very humble and wise soul so please put your money where your mouth is and give us the gold!!
I would love to see what you come up with!! I will even design the cover for you and free of charge!
I am sure that you will be remembered let's say in 2,000 years from now!!
Internet Atheist bullies are only remembered for a brief time and that's because they have no class or quality of character with nothing substantial or productive to say!...
You know simple cowards!
When I listen to men of knowledge, integrity and wonder my mind is like a dry sponge so eager to absorb as much as I can. There are so few people who excite my senses in such a way. Even if I just learn a fraction of what they are saying it’s so worth it. I get hope for the future and mankind as long as we have brilliant people like Dawkins to fertilize our imaginations.
M M Man : steady on, just what are you going to do with all this knowledge? ....... Not going to be on the web scamming people, that you can cure warts are you....?
@@davidbanner6230 What? Everything we learn can be used in countless ways. Why would you link learning with scamming people? It’s those people who don’t learn who make easy targets for con men, like all Christians who have been scammed into believing in a god that is a serial mass murderer that loves genocide, is a misogynist and loves rape, incest, and all kinds of horrendous behaviors. Oh yeah, he loves animal, blood and human sacrifices too. How can anyone believe an insane book written almost exclusively by anonymous primitive, barbaric men?
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@MovieMakingMan I exactly understand what you are saying. I feel the same way. Do you know any such community so we can express ourselves freely??
Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss are both amazing men! I absolutely love listening to them speak!
IMBÉCILES ....L E S C O N V I E N E N O C R E E R E N D I O S E N A R A S D E S U A R R O G A N C I A P E R V E R S A.
And now progressives strip Richard Dawkins if humanism awards.
The point that Dawkins made about pigeons in skinner-boxs was probably the simplest explanation for existence of religion I have ever heard. Thank you!
Amen! LOL😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for pointing that out it made me actually listen more intently to the video. I was gonna sit and listen passively. The fact that he said that broadens my mind horizon. Thanks again
God damn he finally talked about skinner boxes 2 hours in god damn I listened to the whole thing for that what a fukcing life
How have 667 people disliked this shit? This shit is genius! Lawrence Krauss is a genius, and Richard Dawkins is just beyond definition in modern or relevant terms.
Tyler Fisher
Ha ha,
Matthew 7; 13-14 ... : ))
***** why are you on a science video trying to talk religion. youd do alot better commenting on one of ken hams videos.
***** Sounds like you're the one going through the wide gate
richard dawkins is british
Outside of his Bio Lab, Dawkins is just another guy with an opinion, same as you or i. Because he ( or any other scientist) is an expert in their science, that does not necessarily mean their views have any more validity than anyone else's. In fact Dawkins has been spectacularly wrong in so many things. From McCain, to Assange, to the fake Trump/Russia collusion etc. It baffles me that his fans ignore these blunders and still believe him when he tells them his views on the BIG questions. The guy lives in a bubble of privilege, and has little idea of the real world.
Thank you, Dr. Dawkins for articulating my feelings about the religious brainwashing of young children. My mother was a "devout Catholic", and started pumping religious BS into my mind as soon as I could understand language. I was a quick learner, so I got started early, and became so proficient in the mythology that I was selected by adults to teach other children when I was 12. However, that is precisely when my mind began to question things which I was told, and I started gravitating towards reality, a state I acquired around the time I was 13. I call what was done to me as a child, "Soul Rape", which as a Catholic, isn't as bad as it could have been. To this day, and I am 76 and am a fact, data, science-based person today, religious reflexive thoughts enter my mind. You used the word "brainwashing", which is precisely the word I use, as it aptly describes the process and the life-long damage done. Don't get me started on organized religion as a whole. Great discussion,
So well expressed! My being a daughter of Evangelical Fundamentalist Southern Baptist missionaries to (former) Belgian Congo in the 60's gives me one THOUSAND percent perspective on the evils done by religion. The denial of logic by all religions is mind jarring. That we should NOT use our innate search for truth is SO very incomprehensible to me. The slaps and whippings I received for "doubting" the WORD OF GOD are memories still with me. I am 80 years of age and still loving to learn from giants such as Richard Dawkins and his ilk.
@user-xd9sq4sz3f Dude, logic is an isomorphism to set theory... which is what your grocer uses to sort apples into one basket and cherries into another. Of course "set theory exists independently of the human mind": it's the most trivial aspect of classical physical objects. That "math works so well to describe reality" has a totally trivial reason: we extracted the basic rules used by mathematicians from reality. ;-)
@user-xd9sq4sz3f Logic is not immaterial. Nature implements a subset of it in the classical world. As far as abstracts are concerned the application of logic always requires an existence proof, first. Why? Because in propositional logic (A is a property of the elements of S and not A is a property of the elements of S) is trivially true if S is the empty set. And once you have that, you can prove anything about the empty set, which makes logic completely useless UNLESS you prove first that your set S contains at least one element. Did you pay any attention in math class? I don't think you did. ;-)
@user-xd9sq4sz3f Are you asking me if a mountain exists independently of your thought of a mountain? Are you the Buddha who sits underneath the tree all day long while his monks are asking poor people for food donations? Dude... ;-)
@user-xd9sq4sz3f Can you think of food and survive without eating? The Buddha couldn't. ;-)
This is so great. These two people are gentlemen. When they disagree, they do it politely.
*_That's because they're not really debating with one another but spreading the same atheistic propaganda. Look how they disagree with people from the audience though. Hardly polite, are they?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
shinarit its all staged Moron
@@ZakiAminu1 Good joke
@@markanthonyk1504 Who cares
@@anapaulapedro7025 What do you mean who cares? Of course we will care if its staged.
I much prefer this than debating theists who have nothing rational to say. I used to like watching those debates but what's the point, why give them the air of respectability by letting them share the stage with some proper thinkers, the time has come to treat them like the strange man on the bus, just ignore them and let them stay in their own weird world .
+Old timer
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! *_You atheists have been HUMILIATED so much by theists in debate that you now avoid them, eh?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Nurse ! Nurse! Zaki Aming has stopped taking his tablets.
Old timer
"Nurse ! Nurse! Zaki Aming has stopped taking his tablets."
Hahahahahahahahahaha! *_Don't get so excited Old Timer! Your colostomy bag will come lose again and spread SHIT ALL OVER THE PLACE LIKE THE LAST TIME! YOU WILL HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP THIS TIME!_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
+Old timer hint - I blocked troll Zaki some time ago so i don't see any posts by the fool, and after i did that, food tasted better, my grass looked greener, my sheets smelled fresher, and my car burned less oil. I highly recommend it!
+t r andrews Yes…Blind and brainless followers of these 2 charlatans who can not defend their positions do need to block reason to believe the nasty food coming from these 2.
I remember going (or rather being sent) to bible school every wednesday and there I was told about St Thomas who didn't believe Jesus was back from hell or whatever and wanted proof of that by seeing his wounds.
It seems like a very healthy attitude, to demand proof for extraordinary claims. But St Thomas was protrayed as a bad guy for that.
Religion teaches children to believe everything they're told without thinking.
Skg Extraordinary claims ? How about this one : Something can come from Nothing ! That is the most extraordinary claim I have ever heard. How is this claim less extraordinary than the claim that God exists ?
Steve MetalHammer If you would understand physics you would know how you cang get something from nothing, also there is evidence for big bang
+Steve MetalHammer Its the same claim. If God exists and created everything then where did he come from? If something cannot come from nothing that makes no sense because God could not have "willed" himself into existence.
It's like saying God can do anything and nothing is impossible for him, but that means he cannot create something that is impossible for him to do. So that becomes impossible even for him. It is a nonsensical paradox.
***** fart
***** good, but you can get something from nothing
I was a believer simply because my parents took me to church and raised me as such... I became an atheist in 9th grade and stayed that way for 14 years. I "found" God as they say sometime after that. I struggled very much with faith because like most of you on here I am a critical thinker, analytical, cynical and question most things. Because of this I have a much more mature faith then when I was a child. I sought out "truth" in several religions. I enjoy watching video's like this because I want to challenge myself, I do not simply want to believe in something just because its what make me feel warm and fuzzy. I choose to believe because in my life it's what seems to be most logical. Some deductive reasoning brought me here. But I am who I am so I will not lie to myself, faith does not come easy for me. The doubts will always be there for me and I am okay with that. No need for all the fighting on here, everybody in this comment section is friends with or loves someone who is an atheist or believer. Mutual respect.
@Benny Rich was at reconciliation three weeks ago my friend. But please be careful uttering such phrases as they can be divisive. There is Grace to be had is almost all denominations of Christianity and I have no doubt there are those in Heaven whom never stepped foot in a Catholic church. Yes, we have the sacraments and the Bible teaches to participate in them in order to be in more perfect union. I agree. However God can claim whomever he wants and there are holy and righteous people that will make it, maybe they go to purgatory first, who knows.
Atheism is not a unified state . Rational Skeptics get it right.
@@pooddescrewch8718 Rational skepticisms is my natural mind state. A "leap" a faith for me is is a massive jump over a chasm. But I learned a lot in the argument for a God from teachings from Aquinas, Edith Stein and many many more.
@vlаdimir рutin is аndrеi раnin jfk is jimmy carter my man, who are talking to and what are you going on about?
Hmmmmm.......
God put two hundred billion trillion stars into the sky just to make it look nice at night when we can only see around 5,000 of them with the naked eye?
Critical, analytical questions please.
I am a theist. I believe in Frank Turek, God of Baseless Assumptions, Empty Assertions, and Abject Stupidity.
wow, 5 +1's from an accidental comment! TH-cam sometimes glitches out when you watch playlists of videos. This comment was intended for a video of the first Hitchens vs Turek debate where Hitchens, while obviously not on his best day, and appearing to be ill, so thoroughly crushed Turek, that I felt bad for petty anti-intellectual. As ridiculous and nonsensical and utterly fallacious as Christian apologists are on their best day, Turek is the worst I have ever seen.
Also, I wonder if I can pander for more +1s for saying. _The Unbelievers_ was a great movie? ;)
^ pretty much.. your precious "science" is the new inquisition
Bill hicks
Tbf I gave you a like for the Bill Hicks avatar not so much the actual comment 😄
If creationists don't think that something can come from nothing, what do they think god made the universe out of?
+The Vicious Chicken of Bristol
*_Creationists DON'T ACCEPT that SOMETHING CAN COME OUT OF NOTHINGNESS!_*
*_As for the second part of your question, God made the universe OUT OF HIS OMNIPOTENT WILL!_*
That makes no sense. Out of his will? Where did he get the materials from?
The Vicious Chicken of Bristol
"That makes no sense. Out of his will? Where did he get the materials from?"
*_ALL OF MATTER is a PRODUCT of God's Will too!_*
How do you know this?
The Vicious Chicken of Bristol
"How do you know this?"
*_Before Matter came to be, IT HAD TO BE ALREADY POSSIBLE, didn't it? And WHERE ELSE do you think that POSSIBILITY of its coming into existence resided - IF NOT IN ITS CREATOR?_* Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
that moment when you go on a binge of watching videos like this and realize after 20 vids one of the main people from them are dead and have been since 2011... :(
rip hitchens
I also found out about Hitch after his passing. Went through a sort of mourning that I still experience from time to time.
@Xavier Foisse for one atheists don't think the universe has arisen from nothing, no one has ever really made that claim in any concrete manner. (if you are referring to the big bang that is an evidence based theory garnered by scientist much smarter than me looking at stars, it in no way is stated to be the start of everything in reality but people seem to have that conception of it)
atheists directly claim they have no idea how the universe was formed and through exploring the universe and finding what bit of evidence that's available to us, we have found no reason or proof that would suggest gods exist. doesn't mean they don't, it just means the universe in our current understanding can exist without them
two; why the heck are you comparing flat earthers to atheists? i don't even know a good enough analogy for that one. you couldn't have picked two things furthest apart if you tried (im sure someone is going to read this and try and one up that now)
Atheism isn't a religion, its not even a belief. in fact its an expulsion of belief (if you want to get into the nitty gritty of semantics knock yourself out, i'm not biting that hook) the whole point of atheism is pretty much rejecting magic, gods, and the supernatural as no evidence is available to definitively prove any of it exists (subjective evidence and anecdotes generally aren't good enough to prove anything, provable means testable and repeatable)
who?
Xavier Foisse - Apparently, you don’t know what an atheist is. An atheist is not convinced there’s a god. That’s it. Atheists have different thoughts on the beginning of the universe - there isn’t an ‘atheists view” on it.
I would love to have heard Hitchen's critique of Trump as president. But I don't think you need much of an imagination for that.
The fact that this shows up after the video I was watching is all the proof I need that the programmers at youtube are pinky and the brain.
Yup
Why? Was it after a top 10 “fat people falling and crying” video? Lol.
@@fashizzlemanizzle4808 I didn't see that one. Was it hosted by Simon Whistler?
@vlаdimir рutin is аndrеi раnin jfk is jimmy carter Yes I have. I'll let you in on a little secret. I'm a member of the alien species plotting world domination. Our plan is to confuse the human race into submission. That's why we start all of these conspiracy theories. We make people like you believe in crazy things so when we come to take over the world, nobody will ever believe you. Shh, don't tell anyone.
Wonderful program! May I request, please, that all Origins -type discussions be Closed Captioned? If one finds it difficult to hear, it's most discouraging trying to keep in touch with modern scientific rational, thought. It's so important .
38:50 Echoes of Douglas Adams ;-)
creationism is the opposite of Science. In a nutshell, Science observes, then explains. creationism starts with a rigid conclusion and then looks around for natural phenomena that might support this conclusion.
Science does observe... observes God's creation! Not looking for natural phenomena. A painting doesn't need proof that someone painted it. Our very existence is supernatural. Created. As an artist creates artwork first and foremost from his own expression, works the tools and paints he's gathered to craft a blank canvas into a beautiful painting.
@Make Me Believe Scientism certainly observes many deaths in evidence of its own cult like status quo. Good science is good science. Scientism is an unjustified cult based on poor never proven theory for tighter social control and change. Again, good science is good science. However, stating something came from nothing is moronic. Something comes from something. Some thing never comes from no thing and nothing certainly is not pre-existing gases and atoms waiting to randomly collide and bang. These morons have tried to say they have replicated this in experiments before, completely ignorant of the very fact these experiments were created by a pair of hands and a mind in the first place. As we are little creators made in the image of God. He creates, we create. These fools see nothing more than biological androids and just numbers. Never been replicated.
@@lambislion7485
If nothing comes from nothing where did your God come from?
@@lambislion7485 People who believe in god are the only ones claiming something came from nothing. It is a straw man argument. Scientifically we don't understanding nothing because nothing has never been observed so it is nonsensical. Abiogenesis is the frontier we are trying to get to, however we are constantly fighting morons who claim they know we came from a god which is a completely made up idea from the mind of primitive human beings.
@@SBayne762 people who believe in God see God similar to how scientists see the universe
it's incredible that theists below think that the theory that our universe is a guided process is more sound than science. Science today have not explained everything far from it, but it will not stop trying.. religion says dont look further we know. it's our book, scroll, stone tablet put down thousands years ago by doubtfull subjective sources and retold /rewritten 100 of times that has all the answers. hmmm..
Or Religion poisons everything by Christopher Hitchens
Is it really, totally implausible that if there was indeed a Creator that He would reveal Himself to men?
I am a Muslim and my religion encourages me to search beyond, reason, question and to uncover proofs to glorify and be thankful to the ONE AND ONLY ALLAH. I THANK ALLAH FOR GUIDING ME TO HIS LIGHT AND BEING CONCIOUS OF HIM AND GRATEFUL THATS THE TRUE PATH.
Look stop attacking people based on any reason. You're missing the entire point of this by attacking people for believing in what ever they want. It's not a belief contest and everyone's opinions are their own and they're entitled to them, but education is necessity. If someone who believed in God was here watching this video then they got here by one way or the other, and they are humans trying to learn which is a good thing. People can believe whatever they want but you still need to be kind to them. You're not truly that hateful person you're displaying and you're forgiven for that because we're all fucked up, just conditioned to these things that keep us from displaying our true nature. Human nature is to be kind and coexist with each other and if you use logic and reasoning you'll see that. You've just had years of psychological warfare drilling you to feel a certain way without deciding for yourself. Events and experiences just happen, you're the one who defines what they mean by actually thinking for yourself. Once you start to catch these programs of subconscious thoughts you can analyze and deal with them. If you pay attention you'll start seeing more and more subconscious definition that you're not actually thinking about doing
You're entirely wrong my friend I'd like to break that down into a few parts where first off most theist believe in science as well except for the you wild off the Spectrum you can't say that all non-theist are entirely in the right mind either I can't speak for religion as a whole but I can say that I believe in something divine and you're going to be stuck in a redundant Circle that you never Escape until you have that aha moment to yourself I was completely against any religion up until two months ago I was the king of calling b******* every person of faith that was simply trying to empower themselves by believing in something I would point out the holes that their religion or belief would have and say nope that's wrong don't believe that but then when asked what I believe it's like well I don't know I don't have faith in anything finding truth and finding faith are two different things secondly I like to address your manner in your comment we are all human beings and if you subscribe to the people are horrible concept then you need to take a look at the reality you're creating in front of you it's a mirror bro try to smile every now and then point the spotlight on how amazing and good human beings are instead of the minuscule Petty contrary and you'll see a completely different play presented for you. Sorry talk-to-text sucks but by commenting here about people believing differently than you do what was your goal did you just come here to troll others and put other people down or did you actually intend on educating someone and in belief that your belief is correct try to use respect and kindness and be humble to your brothers and sisters of man rudeness and disrespect came out instead my point being people are good yes there are evil people but by our nature as a whole people are good and people are beautiful human beings are the most amazing discovery in the observable universe regardless what origin system you subscribe to listen to me or not please just take this advice and try to be more kind to other people shift your paradigm and give that a shot instead of focusing on the negative and seeing negative try to focus on the positive and then analyze what you see
The fact that this video has millions of views gives me a small glimmer of hope
th-cam.com/users/shortsjvs2FZlJguQ👌👌👍👍
It's always so satisfying to my mind (not joy or happiness) that you can learn so much from two great minds in science.
Great minds? Now I heard everything.🤦🏻♂️
mcdus78
Do you have any clue what these two have accomplished?
Bleh Yes. For being the most bigots on the face of the earth.
mcdus78
I think you overestimate your intelligence
How to molest women for years and get a way with it. Them and OJ are biggest legends in escaping the law. But he at least had Naked Gun movies, they don't even have that. Just old, sad, sexual offenders looking on each other thinking of "mild prison rape" or something...
Thank you for not having a moderator. Most of them just love to hear themselves talk, interrupt and make the guests and audience miserable.
I can agree with that . Also they can enforce their biases in their role at times too
It's not a debate
@Michael Brown where i can read llya said that ?
@Michael Brown thx 4 replyng mate , atheism was spread like a plaghe here in indonesia , every grup that meant to educate ,theres always bunch of atheist there , even in christian and muslim grup
funny thing is , they were seen as. a bunch of jokes here 🎃🎃🎃
and fun fact , atheist dont want religious people to tell other people about their religion ,but why atheist kinda force us to join atheism , why double standart 😂🤣
@Michael Brown It's quite funny to read what you have to say. How do you feel about other religions? There are over 4000 of them, so why is it that the one you are raised with is the only true one? And why do people, no matter what religion, also believe that their god or gods are the only true ones?
Have you considered to open your eyes and use your brain, instead of relying on what other people are telling you? As an example something that was written down thousands of years ago in a book. Back then, science was in its infancy and we knew barely anything about the world - which is why there are so many stories and ideas that don't make sense, that we can easily disprove with modern science - not that you believe in any real science of course. Yet you probably enjoy the internet - does your god get the credit for that one too?
You people sure are interesting, quite delusional, but interesting.
Although i'm an atheist, It never gets in my head these theories that something can come from nothing because nothing means literally NOTHING, no empty space, no laws of physics and nature, no chaos, no time, if something can come from nothing, then "nothing" doesn't exist.
My thoughts exactly, an actual nothing is absurd. The big bang was the start of time so the way I see it before that there was no time so something was there but there would have been nothing perceivable by the likes of humans since we are temporal creatures. In that way our universe as we know it was born from an eternity rather than actually nothing.
borntobustass
"My thoughts exactly, an actual nothing is absurd. The big bang was the start of time so the way I see it before that there was no time so something was there but there would have been nothing perceivable by the likes of humans since we are temporal creatures. In that way our universe as we know it was born from an eternity rather than actually nothing."
*_And that "ETERNITY" would be its CREATOR, would it not?_*
Sure. Why not? That's what I believe.
i don't think like that but i don't have any good theory, i guess there are things that unfortunately we will never know. I've just seen a debate with Neil deGrasse Tyson, Lawrence Krauss etc speending 2 hours talking about "Nothing" you should chek out. The video is "The Existance of Nothing"
Nothing is the word chosen to describe it, but it is not nothing as we understand it. Beyond that, we don't know yet what kind of nothing there was before proposed theories of the beginning of the universe. That's what we're trying to figure out. In the absence of proof that it was the Sky Fairy, we're better off using Occam's Razor and going on from there.
I WANT KRAUSS AS MY BANK MANAGER....something from nothing
Unfortunately, you are much closer to reality than you think. Did you ever wonder where the never-ending inflation is coming from? Banks do indeed fabricate "money" out of nothing - only they do it to inflate their own worth in the form of debt obligations. This is in fact what happens every time you go and get a loan; They actually create your debt out of nothing. It is a perfectly legalized way to manipulate the money supply, known as 'fractional reserve banking', which is a very dirty and well-kept but could be regarded the most important secret in the world. It is effectively a scam which defrauds you of your wealth. The U.S. government even recently used the corona situation as a pretext to reduce the reserve requirements on some loans to zero. If you want to know how it works, watch the first chapter of Peter Joseph's 'Zeitgeist: Addendum' here, and prepare to have your mind blown: th-cam.com/video/HbvCxMfcKv4/w-d-xo.html
@@ole555 Everyone needs to know this. It is indeed one of the most kept secret. the corona situation shows what politics actually is: brainwash people into allowing their wealth and rights to be taken away.
Not just the money value. It gets used to force people to buy masks. This is greatly abused and the reason why it is widely endorsed despite the people advocating against it at first when they were not available suddenly changed their mind.
their are other equally abused concepts that are as dangerous as a forced inflation.
Racism and Society issues get abused the same way. They cast fear of persecution into the mind of minorities to use words like racist to discredit people when they made sense. Thats also where all the rape accusations of famous people suddenly come from.
All politics is is brainwashing people to like their own oppression.
As example, in Germany you get brainwashed to not be opposed to refugees even if they commit crimes. The government makes an active effort to get more into the country. Why? because they get lots of money from the state that come feom taxes that end up in the hands of people owning the real estate they live in and so on. thats why left wing politics tries to make not working people get more money. Its essentially a way to rob the tax money by controlling where it ends up in the end.
Same with climate change. All trash is made by companies selling it with everything you buy. When u throw it away, it gets sold by companies or dumped in the sea for financial reason. Same with gases. they all get produced by producing products to be sold. But people are brainwashed to think they as consumers are damaging the enviroment or the air by driving cars. All that to push products and laws that restrict your freedom in way that benefits the companies responsible.
Essentially everything gets twisted and used to take money away. The problem is that it can only be stopped by enough people realizing it, but that will never happen.
@@ole555 Well since the alternative is much worse, most countries aim for an inflation on par with the industrial annual efficiency improvement.
@@freddan6fly First of all, how is "the alternative" worse? You mean an _actually government-issued_ currency without a profit motive behind its control and without debt directly built into its very creation would somehow make the world worse? Or are you maybe just positing the old propaganda canard that the central banks are "stabilizing" the economy and protecting us from the business cycle? Second of all, if that is really what the countries are trying to do, they seem to have incredibly bad aim, considering that the effective buying power of a unit of currency has only dropped precipitously for maybe centuries all over the industrialized world. I guess government economists are just too stupid to simply look at a graph of the absolute index of the official poverty line over time and see how wrong they (and you) are.
The whole monetary scheme is quite obviously designed to systematically benefit the people who don't need loans and fleece the people who are dependent on them. The debt-currency scam should be the easiest part of it to understand.
@@ole555 Check out Japans recently 25 years of deflation because they did not want to admit to have made a mistake. Negative growth for 25 years.
Sanity and logic can be so refreshing sometimes, especially after a day of explaining to believers that Noah probably did not really have room for enough Magic Refrigerators to keep all the fresh vegetation tasty for the animals for a whole year.
what?
***** The Ken Ham scientists on his payroll have concluded definitively with their precise calculations that Noah used the deadly methane gas from all the animal poop to power not only the Holy Magic Refrigerators, but also the air conditioning units to keep the polar bears content and the heaters to keep the tropical critters happy.
Noah kept Himself busy mostly trying to figure out what KIND of animal the platypus mammal was, with a duck's bill on the front end, the habit of laying eggs but no feathers, and a beaver's tail, actual fish eyes, the fur of a weasel, and real snake venom in spines on its hind legs and the webbed feet of a frog.
***** It is over! Be still
Is it birth. Let us await.
Kassandra Echebima LIFE is never still. Death is still. At birth we all await death as the sands of time slip away. Fear not! All is as it should be and you need not struggle so.
***** lol, lol
Death is not
Be still and observe
For surely a lost wanderer observes the compass
And a searching-man observes the Star
p:s It appears that the continuation of converse has allowed you to fabricate authority or a false reality, and in so doing uttering many litters of words that do not exist, not in meaning, and not in relevance. Anyhow, let us await, and see what is birth [and death, we seek against; the none-existent]; yet you shall bear what you have carried.
Truth
I was lucky enough to meet Lawrence Krauss this weekend and hear him speak and every time I hear him speak I get a better picture of not only the universe but also why there is such misconceptions about it in religious and faith based circles.
Those that are religious do NOT like new information and what little new information they allow in is already a hundred years old because it takes them that long to adapt it so that it fits into their beliefs and can reinterpret what they find in the bible and other scriptures in order to let it fit the new information.
For a very long time the earth was the center of the known univers and what is known for sure was paultry. Just a few planets and everything else were just dots poked into the shroud that lay beyond and I guess what lay beyond was the kingdom of heaven. God was easy to accept and our place was the universe and it was ALL about us.
As Krauss says, 85 years ago what was known about the universe was that it was just our galaxy and it was fixed, permanent in time and unchanged - THAT is something that with some effort can be attributed to a god, ALMOST. Major mental gymnastics need to be done to reconcile that information but I can see how it could be done.
Now we know there are BILLIONS of galaxies and pretty much know that the universe had a specific start and is spreading out forever so how can you reconcile that with the idea of a god? You ignore it or push what you think is god out beyond it.
To conceit from the earth being the universe to accepting that we are the smallest spec of dust in relationship to the universe is impossible to believe that a god made the universe for us. And yet people work very very very hard to convince themselves of just that.
Religion is based on a lack of knowledge and before people had the excuse that the information was not available.
Now there is so much information available that there is NO excuse to still believe there is a god that created a universe for us so the only way people can do it is to simply NOT ACCEPT the information and purposefully completely change the concept of god to encompass it.
To believe in a god is to lie to yourself.
To believe there is a god is to choose ignorance.
To have a god is to deny reality in favor of something that doesn't scare you.
God is just a concept and a concept is something we use to encompass a great many thing into a single thing to make it easier to understand.
You met Krauss too! So jealous man. He is such a great voice for atheism.
God exists Tom, like it or not.
*****
What demonstrable evidence do you have for this claim.
Colin Barr Easy, this Universe didn't cause itself, just because.
Where did the energy and matter come from?
Why was there a big bang?
Why is this, the only planet with life, that evolved on it?
If you think this is all by chance, then you have more faith than anyone, who believes in God or the afterlife.
We have much to learn as a species.
Keep an open mind.
Best wishes.
***** Thor exists like it or not. Flying pink unicorns exist like it or not. AND there is a flying spaghetti monster that has reached god status, like it or not.
And YOU can not prove any of them aren't. Buddy.
I am an American Atheist. we exist.
Jack jr Verrelli
Yeah, there's all sorts! Doesn't mean they're all alright! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
*****
"Someone's had a bad day."
What happened to you?
*****
"So sad watching failed minds such as yours. Bigotry knows no boundaries."
But, aren't you one of those who believe that SOMETHING CAN COME OUT OF NOTHINGNESS? Is it even POSSIBLE to have a better example of a failed mind than that? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Jack jr Verrelli I do not believe in you.
+Toten Kommando Now you seem to have an overwhelming obsession of Anti-Christian sentiment. A vicious cycle.
Don't reply to someone who is begging for attention.
Lawrence is the first guy I see yo make Dawkins laugh
I thoroughly enjoyed this program. Not much more needs saying.
It’s fascinating how different people think about their surroundings. I remember from a very young age questioning the religion I was brought up in and thinking wow you really believe things without evidence. Yet people continue to this day to go their entire lives without doing so. While enjoying the benefits directly of people who realized how the world really works. I wish evolution would speed up on some people.
It was obvious magical thinking to adhere to the bible as your source of knowledge . Its easily seen by children but then they are usually ill equipped to deal with the gaslighting and circular reasoning adults use to enfeeble their natural scientific curiosity .
But do they? do they realize the world fully? and here comes religion. but of course even in religion only blind faith is not good, one should look for answers and search for it. as one great being said once 'half learning makes you an athiest and full learning makes one religious' something like that.
@@sajidulislamskilled Well that's silly. Even on interpersonal issues religion is archaic and childish.
Its very late and i cant take a break to dehydrate myself ...the discussion is like food and water to my mind. My respect to genuine scientists
yes I stayed up till 2 and felt enlivened by the conversation
They are not genuine. Some very flawed reasong
I remember being a kid going to church (Methodist) and being convinced that these amazing, scientifically literate men and women speaking out and engaging in the incredible defense of atheist modes of thinking were essentially modern-day villains. We were being taught that these people who spoke up against religion and against the church were intrinsically evil and were lead astray by the devil to persuade us all into damnation. I am so immeasurably glad that I picked up a book on astrophysics and particle physics and got interested in science and its vast and diverse fields of study in order to shed the cloth "wool" from my eyes so that I can see clearly what life has to offer. I feel so much more alive as an "anti-theist" than I ever did as a Christian. only about 3 years into my newly free life and I absolutely have no interest in turning back. I in fact cannot even think of the possibility of ever believing in a religion of any kind ever again. I'm glad to have found a community of like-minded people who actually encourage debate and rational thinking rather than just "leaving it in the hands of the lord".
Thats called indoctrination and insulation
Beautiful comment
You irrationally made anti-theism a meaning for your life. I suggest reading some philosophy books and also about some other religions before jumping into this train.
@@tunahankaratay1523 how on earth is being against religion a "train" as you put it?
@@tunahankaratay1523 also I see shopping around religions to see which one fits my moral fortitude best as a complete waste of time and anyone who chooses to do so is incapable of seeing religion for what it truly is.
Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins, both of them are my favorite scientists!
Zem Kerrek what have they said that is a lie?
Mr.dawķins.someone.is.pulling.your.leg.6000.years.is.aprox..thé.sophisticated.awareness.ofsignificant.human.knowledge.
They pulled out the expensive camera for this one lol. That footage quality is amazing!
Right?!
Dawkins in HD
Yes yes his head is most detailed at being big
The camera?!... What about those chairs!?
I love vestigial words like “footage”... and there are several of them inherited from the Age of Film.
I have assignments to do, and I just cant stop watching :(
Men of reason. Proud of these two.
Yes, something from nothing is very reasonable. Catch the sarcasm.
@@ladyzelda4323 Ahh you're right. So something must come from a god. Catch the sarcasm.
You can reserve your pride for them. Their cups are already overflowing in their own pride.
@@stell4r1 Agreed there, a lot of pride on both sides of the debate if you ask me.
@@niceshotmano The difference is if your working on your relationship with God your not seeking pride or admiration from men. It becomes more and more worthless to you.
I do agree that it is hard to grasp the time scale. Recently I was explaining to my 11 years old daughter how the megafauna has died. I told her that this happened not long time ago, about 10000 years ago. She directly asked me what do I mean by "not long ago". It was an interesting question. For almost every time scale I can take it was not long ago as in comparison with 13 billion of the universe, 4.5 billion of planet earth, 64 millions of dinosaurs being gone to heaven :-) or even 3 millions of human evolution megafauna died just a moment ago. My daughter did understand this concept and I felt sorry for all those creationists who didn't have somebody to explain to them the world.
You told your daughter a lot of bullshit f.ex. That the dinosaurs went to heaven. Laughable!
I will be the first to admit, I was brainwashed, from a young age
Me too friend. But from your presence here I assume you too saw the power of logic?
***** No, he's thinking for himself (which is a good thing) and not letting a storybook run his life. Hate to break it to you but some people grow up and face reality, whereas some don't.
@@2gointruth My dog just left your gospel on the front lawn. A big steamy pile of shit.
2gointruth With Good News of The True Gospel
There’s a demon in you.
I prayed for you but god said you’re doomed.
Oh well, best of luck.
Luckily I was not brainwashed as a child. I believed in evolution in grade school. I still own one of the first books that I read about the subject in about fourth/fifth grade. The title was the first man in the world. It was the absolute beginning of me questioning religion for the rest of my life. And that was in 1954.
So many angry religious people in the comments. This is not a video intent on explaining why atheism makes more sense than theism. It's just an interesting discussion of our modern understanding of the universe. If it helps you cope to believe in some highly improbably doctrines, go ahead. Just shut up about how you think your nonsense is somehow more valid than scientific discoveries. There is no more debate. Theism may disappear over time or stay with us forever but there is already enough information out there to lead a reasonable person to reject religion.
I'm afraid you have been deceived. Rather, the truth is all around us. Jesus loves you. There is no need to be deceived.
I'm sorry that you feel fear in regards to my conclusion on the validity of religion. I do not regard the love of a fictitious character as meaningful in any way. But, I hope you can stop being afraid of reality and one day relies that you can think for yourself, there is no eternal hell fire waiting to gobble you up if you ever question your religion.
Mi at yet, the god has to so selfish to throw everyone in to hell who believes other god t none at all, and has to be so unfair to all females
jay choi
God is fair and God is just. Most people don't like to admit that. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." - The Word of God. Everyone gets what they deserve. But there can be forgiveness and salvation through Jesus Christ. If you choose the dark, how will you complain? Accept the Lord today and be saved.
Mi at I would rather rely on my family and friend/assosiates who can actually help me through my life.
haven't heard much of Krauss' talks but what a beautiful mind
as an Iraqi born & raised in Baghdad where religion is a big thing! not a big thing in my life since childhood! but I grew up as a muslim who never practice, not anymore for sure!! all religions are fake
I wish you were wrong, but you NOT
u guys are both wrong ur own people destroyed form your retarded culture not religion. bagdad used to be a place for higher thinking around the 1200s. kings and queens would send their kid their for learning. or did u forget your own history. islam is not at fault since after islam people thrived culture changed and people misinterpreted islam not to mention it was destroyed by politics
Proofs of such a claim ? Or Dawkins endoctrinated you dude ?
Jay Bazzaz , welcome to life!
Same my family is Muslim but I used my brain and figured out it's all bs
"Richard? Richard! Come back out for applause. Richard... come back out....for....applause.. where do you think you're going?"
Anyone else think Dawkins sounds like a grown up Stewie from Family Guy? =)
+mazzy star indeed haha :D
+mazzy star oh yes!
it cannot be unheard >.
Lol thanks dude you just ruined Dawkins for me for the rest of my life
Joe Grantstranger9865 you are a dipshit! only a true fool defends ignorance. seeking understanding in the natural world isn't blasphemy, it's curiosity and it's the most human part of us.
Most people who say they believe really do not .... they concede the fight
"who cares what feels good, who cares what makes you feel comforted, who cares what helps you sleep at nights. What matters is whats true"
I think more people need to really take this sentence in and reflect that in their lives, so many people cling to a religion due to the fact that without it they feel hopeless.
That's because they're been trained to feel hopeless by their religious indoctrination.
The irony of you guys, lol
How do you justify that there's no God?
@@L.Ron_Dow Its a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby .
@@faisalarif3461 Simple , because there is no evidence to support the belief nor is there a need to believe . Its an unnecessary imposition to assert god into the study of physics and nature .
So respect all these guys. They are so passionate about getting their messages across to people, they make the effort to write books and read aloud on audible in order to reach people of all learning capacities
Not everyon has the nerve to appreciate truthful discussion of the natural world .
@God's creature Philosophy is not a science .
@God's creature By the way , Dennett is both a scientist and a philosopher . Most of what he does is exercise .
@God's creature Dennet develops intellectual tools . Intuittion pumps and the like meant to help establish a fringe from which to establish a basic orientation in regards to enigmatic subject matter . However , one can hammer a nail with a wrench . Application is everything , efficiency is the goal .
@May Ling Its of higher order than testimonial in court . It can be reproduced and attributed to but a single source and provide basis for prediction that will validate it even further . That is knowledge . What these religious people pretend they have is certitude . Which is of course , for a finite mind and being , completely impossible . Knowledge is the highest order of belief justified by facts to such a degree that its irrational not to accept . What they have is simple edict sourced forom inevident authority with no proof whatsoever .
It's just beautiful… Two intelligent, cultured people talking. No moderators needed.
I bet you forgot you commented this
No one has seen nothing.
"Sophisticated Theologian"
I'm surprised Richard and Lawrence didn't cackle at that.
Erroneous beliefs can be attained theough sophisticated means .
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These guys are amazing to listen to!
*****
Ha ha,
Yes truly shocking! You'd think they'd know better, because for "Truth" nothing is impossible! ... : ))
@@A-Aart what
@@A-Aart Actually makes sense to me.
@@ericbitzer5247 what is your blieve? If I can ask, i am a Muslim.
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This entire comments section is dedicated to the intellectually shallow judging the intellectually deep as "stupid". Congrats on getting it completely ass backwards.
+waynebollman Welcome to the mad-house.
Which group is the intellectually shallow?
I don't see why there are so many comments calling religious people stupid. Just explain to them what theory means. Help them out to discover science.
This video is a universal treasure
Yes, one of the best comedy stand ups ever, like that "something from nothing" joke killed it, I was laughing so hard XD
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I am in utter shock that 2.3 K people did not like this video. I wonder what church they belong to that did them such an injustice.
What a dumb comment.
I wish my Wife looks at me the same way Lawrence Krauss looks at Richard Dawkins 29:51
Relax Ken I like gay men -- Ken give me an amen
Ken: A-mmmmmeeeeen!"
Dear god the boy needs Jesus , please save him from these demons , and by the way give me a prostitute while my wife's sick in the hospital""
I'm a criminal! -- Eminem
lol
This wish is only available after you have reached level 17
lol
Faze no doubt. I skipped ahead and easily saw what you meant.
People's anecdotes will change from "I was at Woodstock" or "I was at that Sex Pistols gig" to "I saw Dawkins/Krauss having a conversation about science". I love it. 👌
Dawkins and I used to go bar hopping and pick up chicks.
Don't make gods of these people. Both support Israel even now as they commit genocide.
Wish to watch this on BBC1 Sunday morning - IMPOSSIBLE I guess hahaha
Have just ordered The Magic of Reality for 9 year old grandson. I hate the thought people will try to indoctrinate him with a theist perspective.
I weep for humanity reading some of the below comments from the religious..
I weep because of people like you. Claiming to know everything.
Simen Sebastian Thoresen
So being unconvinced of god equals claiming to know everything? Wow you religious people sure are "logical"...
Jack Chesnut I expect atheists/agnostics will be perhaps the most zealous of the Noahides to come www.endofhistory.info
jonnyy40
You believe in childish nonsense..
Simen Sebastian Thoresen Funny thing we dont believe we know everything and that is more then shown on this video and in any scientific debate, research anything for that matter, but you believe you know everything you believe you know the origin of life, of humans, but proofs that you have are absolutely 0.
*Magical time vs. INTELLIGENCE.*
With magical time anything can happen *OR* with INTELLIGENCE we can get the fine tuning parameters of the universe and the exquisite, optimal, intricate designs we see in nature. INTELLIGENCE destroys magical time in this competition.
It takes stupidity and blind faith to believe that the fine tuning parameters of the universe and the biotechnological designs we see in nature came about because there was enough time for it to happen and THAT'S IT!
INTELLIGENCE is the more logical, rational, credible and intelligible position which doesn't require blind faith, just a little faith to believe that this GREAT INTELLIGENCE exists.
+MosheMYY M
*_Great point!_*
+Zaki Aminu Thanks. Intelligence is something they have a hard time arguing against. Krauss reveals over and over again that his position against the Creator is philosophical and has nothing to do with science.
MosheMYY M
*_Didn't he say he couldn't bear to live in an universe that has anything to do with God?_* Hahahahahahahahaha!
+Zaki Aminu LOL Right! And that is an atheistic evolutionary scientific statement.
MosheMYY M
*_Indeed! But I wouldn't call it scientific!_*
Best thing I’ve watched among many great discussions, 2 sublime minds.
Dawg they still can’t explain the original genes. It’s because they’re atheists and can’t explain why. It’s because a creator is mandatory, aka God.
Speedious
You can’t explain the original god.
So fuck off.
The video quality is amazing for a live talk show.
Lawrence (about 1:30): 'God is irelevant to science...' I would say that a church is sometimes irelevant to religious man.
Christianity gave us science ...it was hijacked by a mob of angry atheists whose wishes are to destroy it and redefine it....you cant name a single Atheist who founded a major branch of modern science ...it is all Christians, ...modern Geology, Physics, Astronomy, Biology, Genetics, ...its all Christians ....and some of them were clergy
@@lukevillarreal973 Bollocks. Most were Jews. They woke up long before any Christian was born and Greeks before Christians too. Grow up and smell the roses.
Can't even remember how many times I've watched this video. Has to be their very best talk.
yeah nice fiction talk with no basis in nature and no foundation in science. this is what is called scientism.
theories based on the mental degeneration of the person, actually ignoring laws of nature that we have alraedy proven.
do not let them fool you and listen critically. ask the right questions.
@@pekbekmkek6310 you're too bound towards the hidden assumption that "naturalism is true", but it's not.
@@shawnchristophermalig4339 no surely not, as much as materialistic scientism isnt.
earth was created and so nature is part of creation.
... so far.
Whackadoos on this thread
Amazing. Thanks fo publishing.
It's true that the idea of eternity, let alone torture for eternity, is so beyond our comprehension that Abrahamic religion took advantage of this, using fear to convert and spread.
thank you for the conversation
Great conversation....brilliant stuff
Lol
You Ex Shias need to go back to school and learn real science
Nah, evolution is not only wrong and never been proven, but it's just stupid.
@@ericbitzer5247 Nah
Here’s some information I found - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/evidenceoftheresurrection/ investigates Christianity with Reason and Logical Evaluation. Using Evidences and Sources that establishes reasons for reliable truthful reporting, and explains Proven Biblical Manuscript History ( Historiography ) being the most testified in ancient manuscripts - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/manuscriptevidenceofthebiblepages/ Also answers sceptic accusations trying to discredit witness accounts. Worth a read
Comment section is a freak magnet. Keep it coming :-)
science is not about finding the answers to everything, its more about asking why things happen as they do, and dismissing those that have no evidence of their claims at all.
Atheism is not an alternative to religion, it's simply a rejection of theism. It is a philosophy without content. Saying it's a religion is like saying abstinence is a sex position. Quoting theology isn't going to convince those who reject theism in the first place.
That's your take on it my friend...
Deism, atheism and agnosticism are considered philosophies, mainly because they don't have any organized doctrine. Atheists tend to be former theists who have had enough of it.
I more or so see it like the word "gay". originally it had a different meaning. But now its loosely used, and has a different meaning (and is likewise controversial). its more or so a word with the same spelling and slightly different meaning now, (a homonym).
Hence I'm an atheist, but with the looser more modern take.
So next time there is a "fire", "fire" your weapon.
It's a big tent philosophy, which means atheists tend to disagree with each other about philosophy all the time. Anyone could be a Realist or an Idealist, these are philosophical labels. But the meaning of these labels don't tend to change, they still mean basically the same thing they always have.
SpaceTimeMachine Science needs to override and replace their 'facts' at regular intervals whenever they are proven erroneous. The Bible reveals truth that has been attacked and vetted countless times each year it has always remained true without need of change Truth is impregnable irreducible and complete. If altered in any way the result is untruth .
A GREAT DISCUSSION BETWEEN TWO GREAT MINDS.
Well, this was incredible.
If knowledge is power then blind faith is the absence of power .
Its the surrender of the capacity to empower oneself .
Krauss was great in Honey I Shrunk the Kids and Ghostbusters.
I always got that vibe from him lmao, now I know
That was Rick Moranis.
@@fairysmall51 😑
@@fairysmall51 that is his stage name. Don’t dilute his film work.
Krauss is great in his films and on stage. His best is in Honey I Shrunk the Kids, great acting in both arenas. Cheers!
Note to Richard Dawkins: speculative Si based life was the ALIEN from the film of the same name, by Ridley Scott. (The GOOD one from 1979).
I loved that movie
I never realised they were silicon based and I've watched those films countless times. Obviously need to watch it again after this 😄
I’m always staggered by the Q&A when people ask questions that the speakers covered in the conversation
This is just 2 men bouncing ideas off each other to build their own confidence in what they believe. Thank you Richard Dawkins for helping to spread the Gospel.
And your post is n obvious , biased defense of a security blanket
You have described church . Not this discussion
@@KanekiKen-in3pf thank you for demonstrating you have absolutely no idea what it is that Christians believe
@@georgeelmerdenbrough6906 what? there's no conversation in church. it's just lecture
@@pooddescrewch8718 care to elaborate?
Is it weird that i've watched this 8 times?
StarReel damnnn u spent 16 hours of ur life watching this, must be good.
Tell u what, now u r more sane than most of the human population.
I've watched it several times
i think i am at 4.
this was educational af
To a rabbit
don't worship Cow, don't worship idols, don't worship human being, Don't worship money, don't worship stars, don't worship the sun or moon, don't worship this wordly life, but worship the creator who created them all. The one who created you. he puts for you eyes which much better than any kind of new camera, puts for you eras so you can hear the things around you, puts for you a mind which is much complicated than any super computer that have ever been made. gave you hands to move things easily and fingers to hold things, legs to move you anywhere. and so on so forth. and then he made for you a male if you are a female or a female if you are a male so you can love each other and keep the race of the human being. all of these signs are not enough for you guys ? I believed in the one only true God and I believe that Moses, Noah, Jesus, Abraham, Muhammad and others peace be upon them all are his prophets and messengers.
You're the kind of person whose brain can scarcely comprehend its own existence. I hope you have the same slender grasp of gravity, fail to acknowledge its merit, and you float the fuck away.
Ryan Rigby
Ha ha,
What a pity there are you who are to be respected as fellow humans and world neighbours, but who cannot use reason or wisdom, but only the foul language of thugs... : ))
Who is this fucking creator, that never shows himself, never has been proven, never seems to exist except in human made mythology. Seems to be an excuse or comfort blanket, but not based in reality. Too many myths, so little time. Not worth taking a single one of them seriously, as all are mostly debunked, discredited and outright ridiculous.
*****
Ha ha,
Does that mean "Don't worship" the word of "Atheism" as a false God of self; or "Don't worship" what should be our true God, that of the word of "Truth"? ... : ))
All of this, is just evolution...
I miss the time when the sentence: "No-one in the adminstration said, its designed to kill us, lets forget about it" got a genuine laugh.
yeah they dont even have to discuss it cause they all know it's purpose.
LOVE your profile picture.
@@Keithmata7 Yes...stop viruses from killing people.
@@Yourlibrarian Thanks. Love your name.
@vlаdimir рutin is аndrеi раnin jfk is jimmy carter
Well...there are many phenomena that are ONLY explained by the earth being a globe.
So what we see in the night-sky would make no sense at all if we would be a square or flat or pyramid shaped.
So we can literally SEE us revolving around the sun...long before we started to take photos of our planet from the distance.
Even some ancient greeks figured that out...with two sticks.
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And no...I personally have not been to space...but I also haven't been on top of the mount Everest or seen a giant squid...but I don't have any reason to believe that everyone who HAS been there or seen one lied to me. So people have been to space...and what they found there matches the things I can test from earth..while NONE of the things I can test on earth matches the idea of a flat plane...at least not with a basic understanding of physics.
And I know that flat earthers believe in loads of stuff they can't see...like dome or a magic magnetic mountain or an Ice ring or a second sun or other stuff.
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And no I haven't proven it myself...(if you don't count watching a sunrise) but I have not seen anyone disproving it...while not failing at elementary school physics.
Where can I attend one of these discussions? I would pay good money to listen to someone like these two gentlemen.
+Romolus Wayne Lucinus
Ha ha,
"Gentlemen"?
"Good money"?
They would love nothing better than your hard earned money!
But, where to learn how to live in the Spirit of truth peace and goodwill to all men and women, will cost you nothing at all:
And is worth far more than all the treasures on Earth! ... : ))
Trust me, you don't want to hear Krauss.
Love how they put psychic readings adverts on this video
I got a bible basher ad trying to convert me
Mine was ad free
Preachers are very happy to know that they can get something for nothing.
@Make Me Believe
Yes
In the Q&A session, someone young man asked tremulously if there was some way to disseminate ''this information'', more widely(meaning what these two scientists had been discussing for the last hour or so), and I am amazed at the poverty of this question. It seems that the obvious answer should be to bring up children to become readers of books. You may attend as many lectures of these and other eminent scientists as you like, but unless you have read their books, you will never truly grasp what they are talking about. The fundamental problem with many schools is that they deny children the kind of education early on that will open doors for them into the two important sciences of evolutionary biology and physics. There are socio-political forces working against imparting a sound education to young children, as opening their minds to science will threaten the status quo of societies based on what I would call "dumbism".
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is what he saying ??? first there was the void, only empty space, then there was one quantum particle from somewhere, then later there were more quantum particles from somewhere, then later there were compounds, etc... but, where did the empty space come from? even so, it's always good to remember that raw energy can convert to mass (matter).
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According to quantum mechanics space it self coming out of existence from nothing
According to Heisenberg uncertainty principle (energy ,time ) causes something called zero point energy
This is the minimum energy of a system empty space is actually unstabel . For a very short amount of time for a very tinny volume since time is too small so there is big uncertainty in energy for that space so this energy causes virtual particles pair of particle and antiparticle and then in fraction of time they get annhillate so the total energy must be conserved . just search something about it then you would have idea what's going on .it's going to be intresting . Thanks 😊
There is a theory called The mutliverse theory its different from this
@@spiralgaming8940 personally i think we are asking the question the wrong way around. the nothing is a made thing by the universe. imagine a universe where you couldn't die even if your head was blown off? how would that work? then you see why there has to be a nothing.... a universe made thing. the universe is the creator of everything - us , nothing, everything
@@fraser_mr2009 exactly , I completely agree with you . By the way nice to talk with you .😊
I watched this whole video in full screen and by the end I forgot I was on TH-cam. Imagine the horror when I re-size the video and go from an intelligent conversation between two elite scientists to the roiling cauldron of vomit that is the TH-cam comment section.
PoofyKittyPants
Ha ha,
Then why have you added your own words of "roiling cauldron of vomit that is the TH-cam comment section" to this comment section? ... ; ))
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PoofyKittyPants
Ha ha,
Then why not try living outside of yourself and outside your own limitation of thought that you unkindly put into words about my thought (Perhaps?) put into comments as invited by TH-cam in the box provided above?
Try living in the thought and in the Spirit of truth peace and goodwill to all men and women.
That of which Yeshua sacrificed his flesh and blood to teach us! ... ; ))
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Highly Intellectual and Informative.Both are brilliant ❗
Two geniuses in full flight
Abdealii who do you think is more intelligent
Abdealii: Brilliant? You're not listening. In answer to a question on the belief in a god by the suffering masses (1hr 39m), Dawkins says " Who cares what brings them comfort.." He is an elitist who has lived a life of great privilege. Dawkins neither knows nor cares how the ordinary people live.
@@briansmith3791 stfu
@@andrewcoursaris8824
You need Allah
I grew up without religious indoctrination. In Germany, Berlin. My father...a American soldier...my mother Irish-German. Of course I had religious studies in school ( you had to pick the Evangelical or Catholic denomination ) and found it extremely interesting in a historical sense...nothing more.
While in Berlin and young I would climb over fenced areas into " protected areas " of nature. Of course I could've got in trouble because it is illigal and some species aren't " human " friendly 🤣 as a young moron I figured a switzer pocket knife stuck via ducktape on the tip of a stick was enough protection...
But ok, what I wanted to explain is...individuals that spend hours in nature observing it and really thinking about its mechanism will come to evolution naturally. I did. Ants were the most obvious...from them I learned that they all looked similar but have different habitats and strengths/weaknesses. I also was fascinated by fungi and plants and the many adaptions....
Years later when confronted with Darwin's ideas I instantly thought there's really nothing special here because no other explination makes any sense....then I started reading about Alexander Van Humboldt, Alfred Wallace, Thomas Huxley, Asa Gray and from there went into the modern synthesis of Evolutionary theory ( Theodosius Dobhzansky, Ernst Mayr, Julian Huxley, Sidney Brenner, Christian De Duve, Ronald Fisher etc ) and then into the what I call extensions of Evolutionary theory like Lynn Morgulis / Endosymbiosis...Carl Woese and his work with 16sRna & Phylogenetics...Barbara McClintock and Transposons...Frederick Griffith and Horizontal Gene Transfer...Quantum Biology etc.
Most individuals have zero and I mean NULL clue about these subjects. It takes hours of study to absorb the evidence, mechanisms and history of Evolutionary biology and Genetics. So when somebody tries to tell me Evolution is just a "theory" and God did it I laugh and tell them sure...now please provide some evidence.
Of course there is none. Historians are all over the place but thru further scrutiny I realized they have NOTHING. Christian apologists use philosophical arguments that lack often critical thinking skills and completely disregard the arguments of many non religious individuals ( best presented in " The Portable Atheist " by Christopher Hitchens or " Doubt: A History " by Jennifer Michael Hecht ) without ever doing so convincingly...
I took my time really trying to see why so many believe in religious arguments...but failed.
Compared to modern science and philosophy...the religious perspective has really one big problem= Methodological Naturalism. When one human being somehow manages to present an repeatable experiment proving there is SOMETHING supernatural ( meaning outside/separate of the natural material world ) convincingly....i might rethink my position.
Until then...i prefer the beauty and explanatory power of modern science.
I asked myself how could anyone be stupid enough to be religious in a modern world. I found the shocking answer: most people believe what they want to believe because they like it to be that way. the idea comforts them and is tied to the identity these people have given themself. Thats why you get irrational emotional reactions from them. Proving them wrong gets perceived as attacking the persons identity. When its tied to the identity, taking it away gets perceived as a threat.Thats what causes their response.
I observe the same phenomenon in other matters. When you disprove something that is emotionally tied to person, you wont get rational behaviour. If I call out that someone has been lied to by a friend, instead of thanking me I get personally attacked ? Why thought? its completely irrational, yet it is so common. its because the brain forces them to act that way to prevent the painful realization to take place. Lying to themself to avoid the unpleasant feeling of the consequences.
For me, its the kind of behavior that makes me the most furious because it prevents people from aquiring knowledge that is actually useful. because most people sadly value a delusional feeling more than the truth without realizing that they harm themselfs.
@@sshreddderr9409 Most people think pretense is belief and belief is certitude
Comparitive religion should be required learning . I have noticed a greater acceptance of science in those who were forced to learn about not just their religion but others and also atheism . In fact I have seen a great many drop their prior belief system for either a deist or atheistic position on the facts .
@@sshreddderr9409 It is about the fear of their own death and the mystery of it and loss of the sense of control that we all develop as a coping mechanism .
The purpose of science is a continuous study of our natural surroundings, gather evidence, and evaluate the evidence to build our knowledge of the world we live in. If the knowledge does not provide concrete answers (as an example for simplicity sake, the sky is blue), then we are left with assumptive reasoning. This is why science should always allow for open-mindedness when it comes to topics that are not concrete. Nothing should be an exception to this way of thinking. It's ok if we subscribe to a belief that is based on some level of reasonable assumptions, but if we do not leave room to being open-minded, we can eventually find ourselves defending something with irrational bias. The evolution belief/paradigm should be no different. We all should take the time to be open minded and consider a different paradigm/belief without scourging the other side. Especially when the evolution paradigm dead-ends at three of the most important unexplainable pivotal moments in time... a) nothing in space turning into something b) something dead turning into something living c) something living turning into the mind-bending genetic & dna-filled complexity known as man. When the only answer to those questions is if given enough time, those things can occur, that isn't even remotely an answer that should convince anyone to automatically subscribe to that theory. A genuine discussion and debate with open-minded people needs to be had to evaluate real evidence. I think what reasonable people will find without me infusing my religious beliefs would be there are way too many assumptions being made to stand solely on the evolutionary paradigm. If everyone could set aside your personal experiences with man whether in a church or outside the walls of a church in a science forum for a moment, deconstruct what you've learned, and actually rely on evidence, we'd reasonably find room to consider another possibility other than the evolution belief. Take the journey with an open mind...
If we one day find life on another planet I'd put my shirt on none of our mythologies exist there.
some play music; some go hiking; some go biking;
Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss
engage in intellectual exercises just for fun...
There's nothing scientific about the statement: "Something from Nothing". Just plain stupidity, yet gullible mediocres buy it!
@@aprilgroup6143 I listened to merely 9:25 - 10:15. (I must have listened to the part leading up to that some time ago-but I don’t recall). People that allow in that kind of drivel (as from an authority) are not likely to be interested in how we actually got here. Intellectually, it’s dishonest... Like the blind leading the blind-both fall into a pit.
@@aprilgroup6143 It really is stupid.
@@ericbitzer5247 mmm
Lol lookit the triggered
I literally had goosebumps when Krauss said about educating women 😭
Fired from asu for s3xu@l misconduct. Accepted 250k from good buddy jeffrey epstein for his bogus origins project.
Time Stamp? I want to feel the schadenfreude.
@@shootingstarzz6161 wrong
@Chrundlethegreat 1
Best buddies with Jeffrey Epstein
Says it all right there
@@shootingstarzz6161 No it doesn't
Anyone else end up here from falling asleep with autoplay on?
Me, Ha ha ha ha!
nope u should rewatch it tho