Why I Don’t Recommend the Triangle Borea BR03 Speakers.
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Thank you for all you do! Seriously I have gotten a little tired of TH-cam reviews lately because everything is great. Seems like in world of youtube you can’t go wrong with anything you purchase. So refreshing to have a review that is honest and respectful to both manufacturer and owners. Your knowledge of measurements and how you describe not only the measurement but the impact to sound reproduction is awesome.
That's because 98% of them refuse to do "bad reviews"
They are mostly just advertising channels and they know if they give products bad reviews other companies might be hesitant sending them stuff (and money) for review.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596yeah, many of them just don't review items they didn't like. They'll just send them back to the manufacturer with some notes about why they aren't going to review it. Oh well, they might be more or less advertising but at least we can see the gear, what it looks like, and get some opinions on it. Or look and see what gear (by omission) is not being reviewed widely and take that with a grain of salt.
Cheap Audio Man, Zero Fidelity, and Andrew Lawrence pull no punches. If they don't like a product, they'll tell you. However, I'm rather suspicious of Darko Audio.
@HomeCinemaJunkie That's why forums such as Quora and Reddit are very useful for exchanging ideas and experiences on audio subjects.
I like my BR03 speakers with my Topping HIFI setup, I am very sensitive to certain sound ranges. These are the best sounding speakers for me. I spent a lot of time listening to demos, going to places in person to listen to speakers and I love these, I absolutely love the lows and the fact that the highs don't pierce through my ears like daggers. I'm in a small subset category - this is all subjective anyways.
I have the Borea br02 and i like the sound. In the past i had over 20 pairs of speakers, some of them budget and some much more expensive. And to me the BR02s are nice price/performance speakers.
Don't change.
I love your analysis and opinion.
Interesting review, and I appreciate your detailed technical analysis. I've owned a pair of these now for three years, and they have seemed very pleasant to my ears. I paired these to a Cambridge Audio AXR100 receiver which some people have described as slightly warm. I always keep my bass and treble at 0 balance. I've never felt the need to boost either, but I've appreciated the nice bass these speakers produce without me boosting it.
I listen to a wide range of music from classical to 50's/60's be bop jazz to late 60's psych rock, to 70's glam and prog rock, to 80's synth pop and heavy metal, to 90's and 2000's pop and rock. So far everything has sounded detailed and pretty balanced to me whether from vinyl or CD. I also have my 4K TV (with attached streaming device) connected to the receiver. Movies and TV shows have sounded great to me through these speakers. I've only noticed issues with some YT videos that seem to just have bad audio, and the occasional worn-down vinyl record. Maybe my 49-yo ears are more forgiving, but I'd like to think I would've returned these (within the seller's return window) if I would've detected harshness or other issues. I'll try to listen for some of the deficiencies you pointed out, but so far I've been very satisfied with them.
This review is very helpful to me. I listened these speakers and i did not ilke it. Now your analysis makes me understand much more. Thank you!
Glad to hear that
Great review, your criticisms are spot on with my experience owning these speakers over the last 18 months. As much as I'd like to defend them as I've quite enjoyed them as a living room speakers, I can't. So long as I don't push the volume past 75 db or listen too critically they keep me happy for background music/TV/light movie use and my wife enjoys the aesthetics. I've only come across one other reviewer who mentioned the volume issue. I'm surprised it isn't mentioned more as female vocals especially can become extremely harsh above 75 db (at 12 feet). Less of an issue with the matching center channel at least.
Keep it honest! Good stuff. Did not hear BR03 but I did experience BR02 and I did like it for $200. I’m assuming small brother measures better.
Thats why i went with the Br02. Its not as messy in the mid range area and is more flat. The sound seems to be more neutral and not as sibalant as the Bro3. Also the fact that Bro 2 is rear ported may be crucial to why the speaker is not as messy as the Bro 3.
I’ve heard the Br03 and Br02, and personally liked the smaller br02 so much better that I actually bought them and have been listening to them for about a year now. You should really give the smaller bro a listen, they are rear ported and lean a bit warm in my opinion.
I got mine for $200 and at that price, I am thrilled. I A/Bd them with the beloved Emotiva B1+. Both of these speakers have issues, IMO, reflected as a dip somewhere (or resonances, etc). Which come off as "something missing" plus "a bit too much of something else). As the Emotiva "tests really well" I still dont think it is a superior speaker to my ears, IN MY ROOM. The BR03 sounds way bigger, even though the bass isn't the strong suit of the Borea. Bigger soundstage and just more sonic energy.
My reference system is anchored by the Philharmonic Ceramic Mini in a super quiet, well treated, symmetrical listening room, so it's not like I can't hear the differences and shortcomings of the decidedly not neutral Triangle. The BR03 is NOT neutral. But it plays really well in my living room setup (which is less than sonically ideal). I have no upgradeitis, which says something.
FWIW, I like them both on and off axis and think they image well. My livingroom set up is NOT optimal and yet the BRO is flexible in placement and sounds good (but different) in multiple configurations. My room makes the brightness a strength.
So, no disagreement here, just the fact that the BR03 brings me joy, regardless of how poorly its tests.
Final thought: think about how your listening space influences what you hear. Your room is the biggest factor in sound reproduction.
Great review! Agree with your whole assessment. I knew I was hearing something that was off. That was the breakup points. And the sibilance was a big NO! I have the Bro 2's and love them. Totally opposite of the 3's.
I had Bro3:s and didn't hear much sibilence with my gear. Treble was rather smooth and overall sound was good for the money (400 euros). Later changed to Comete which was much better, but still that Triangle sound which some like and some don't. (Now have changed to something else again).
I have these and the Klipsch rpm 600 and the Elac db6
Triangle bro3 are the best, to me. Period !!
I've had the BR03 and BR02. Personally liked the BR02 better. Seemed more balanced and leaned a bit warm. Just my experience .
Same here with Bro02
Same here. Bought the 3s and sent them back. Bought b the 2s and never looked back. Much, much better sounding speaker to my ears.
I had these for a while, I liked them enough. I thought percussion instruments and acoustic guitar on these were quite good. Very natural sounding timbres. Good open soundstage and imaging.
The most important is taste, I needed a cloth dome tweeter for its smoothness (the inverse of a horn), and I needed front ports to put them closer to the back wall. Your on axis measurement feel strange to me because I had to boost with a peq in the 8k area. and my measurement (in place in the room) showed a dip around 125hz which is good in my case (saves the dishes and glasses in the closets), those are way better than my old mission and my diy focal I could compare. the BR03 receive only from 68hz up from a dbx driverack pa2 and are corrected by eq. The room is not treated, the application is music and home theater, always with a sub. the removal of extreme low frequencies are indeed cleanin the low mid at high volure. The fact is I rarely try to push this above 85db, at high volume problems appear, but I don't need that. The important point is that the sound is almost the same everywhere in my room, just boominess (sub) when i go to the kitchen. This speaker is not diretional and that is the main reason for purchasing.
Good horns are the definition of smooth, fwiw.
@@tylerhackman6832 for the moment I never heard one horn that was good to my ears, in general I like cloth positive dome tweeters. for me Klipsch are the worst offenders, impossible to correct even with eq. I very much dislike directional speakers. Question of taste, and I don't listen live music very often.
This gets me to ask myself what's going on in the "trust your ears" subjectivist community. I even have a sort of hypothesis on this.
Are we being led astray by listening for details? In the sense that hearing something we have not noticed before, is necessarily a good thing?
In that case I would think that roller coaster frequency responses can accentuate something that might have gone unnoticed in other systems, whether neutral, or just uneven in different ways. So we end up hearing something new in a familiar recording, assuming this is an improvement, buying the thing, keeping it until it gets on our nerves, going off to check out something else with the same mindset, and on and on. An endless cycle of "upgrades" right there.
What I find promising in a review is more along the lines of your typical "hard to describe" reproduction. Especially when you add "it goes loud" and "it goes deep".
One thing I keep coming back to is the very real possibility that I can, and do, love the sound of very different sounding systems. Within reason, etc, caveat emptor, etc. And, to be clear: that is wholly subjectivist. Would you rather drink Rose you hate or a big cab you love, regardless of price?
This is not to say I dont love Erins work. I do and think its super helpful.
@@leodesforges161 I might come out sounding like an arrogant and pretentious git, but here goes. I personally find I can tolerate an awful lot, but still generally prefer a reasonably flat on axis response and a room response gradually falling with increasing frequency. I generally also find I prefer systems with moderate or low distorion, and a reasonable capacity for SPL/ low compression, and low noise for electronics. Some deviations are easier to live with than others, and I'm far from being able to truly understand these, and translate my likes and dislikes to measurements or vice versa. But there is a tendency in consumer audio and the audiophile press to sell and praise stuff that I just find unnatural sounding. And it's not been getting better lately.
higher resolution should come from transparency and nondistortion and not a wonky freq response.
@@ManicMindTrick Yep. But is that usually the case?
One thing to consider is the age of the average audiophile who spends over 10k on a pair of speakers. They tend to have lost a significant part of their high-frequency spectrum as people naturally do with higher age so higher-end speakers with extra treble energy make a lot of sense.
I'm running my BRO3 speakers with a Schitt Freya+ tube preamp and the Jeff Rowland 125 power amp. I am very happy with the sound. Are there better speakers? I'm sure there are. I can't audition all the speakers out there. For the money I spent I am quite happy. To each his own I guess.
Thank you Erin. I'm looking for speakers for my dad. A few days ago I auditioned a number of speakers:
1. Dali Oberon 3
2. Triangle
3. ELAC DB6.2
One of my test tracks is "Take a walk on the wild side". In this track there is a lot of string rattling. And with Triangle it wasn't there. I thought it might be me, but you have restored the confidence in my hearing - thank you :)
On a side note, the Dali was too heavy on the lows. And ELAC was just fine.
I asked to connect the LS50 Meta, which I personally own for a few years, and they sounded anemic at best. There I knew something isn't right with their setup.
Any chance of a 1961 Monitor review?
Wow, such an honest review. And I agree with you.
Danny at GR research tore down the NEUMI and it has the same dual front port which caused a very similar problem in the response.
my opinion THE BOREA 03 ARE THE BEST SOEAKERS 500 EURO I HAVE EVER HEARD
They look cool and that’s probably the most important thing so I can see why they’re popular.
Didn't you hear how many colors they come in?!
Hi Erin. Your review has convinced me that measurements and neutrality are completely overrated. Balance is what most of us hear, neutrality is what you see, that is not what is heard whey you listen to this speaker. All the peaks and dips you see on the graphs do not translate to what you hear. Neutral is just another word for dull, this speaker is lively and engaging. Instruments sound real like you're at a concert in the front row not way in back. Dynamics and detail in the music i would venture to say are unmatched in this price range. We hear excellent deep bass and extension, lush midrange and airy treble. It's not sibilant it is just detailed. Ican listen to this speaker for hours in a day and my ears never get fatigued. But if you like a flat or in other words a dull response because it looks good on a graph rather than what the speaker sounds like you would say the highs are sibilant. A convincing soundstage and presentation. A wall of sound that in my room extends at least a foot beyond the speakers in both directions and that is conservatively speaking. This is what we hear. This should be the focus of reviews, not lines on a graph. That does nothing to describe what the Triangle BR03s actually sound like.
You did catch the part where I explicitly described what I heard and how it relates directly to the frequency response being varied, correct? These kind of things are (usually) easy to translate. The real question is a) do you have a reference to “know better” and b) are there other factors that make deficiencies less of a problem for you? Such as does the bass get low and that overrides the other audible issues.
I was able to pinpoint issues I didn’t like in my listening and explain those with data. For me there wasn’t much good about this speaker.
Exactly so, and very well said. "Neutral" is some marketing idea they made up to sell people flat, boring, dull-sounding speakers. It's just another sound profile/bias as much as any other.
Other reviewers have shown different graphs, so don't be so sure the one in this video is even accurate. I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but the fact is other graphs exist, so it has to raise the question.
I couldn't listen to these speakers for more than 20 minutes let alone hours. And something about the 3s were just not "right" overall to my ears.
Damn. I just took delivery of these last week, and you're confirming my gut feelings. They're just not what I was expecting. That lack of "fullness" or forward presence must be that midrange issue you've identified. These are going back to the vendor. I really appreciate your channel. Thank you for doing what you do.
Change your speaker cables, that will make everything great. Upgrade your router power supply, that should smooth out the speakers.
@@r423sdexit will still sound the same😂
@@r423sdex😂😂😂
@@r423sdex lol 😅
@@r423sdex Dont introduce people to snake oil
Didn’t these speakers start out twice as expensive and they were getting all kinds of good reviews, and then after the honeymoon was over, they got less expensive and people didn’t like them anymore ?!
I seem to recall something like that. What that suggests is that people can have a perfectly acceptable sound, but require a little variety, and then they hit on something that sounds different and they think, oh this is cool, but in reality, it doesn’t have a long term effect of actually being good.😉
I may be confusing these with a different model, I’m not sure.
You're correct, twice as expensive.
Exactly ! You need the right review. Erin is providing the correct one. Too many people are in the pockets of these companies.
@@34332 thanks.
@@r423sdex I know everyone isn’t right in the head or doing things for all the right reasons, but some of those reviewers really do believe what they’re saying, and there’s no deception going on from them, as hard as that may be to believe lol
Younger brother BR02 is better😑
What a great lesson on how the different components combine to a bad overall frequency response. Textbook stuff with the port/woofer cancellation and crossover design. Seems weird to me that they'd ship a speaker with all those issues. I wonder if the drivers are better matched in a different form factor or with other xovers and they're just grabbing parts off the shelf to make this. Great review as always!
Thanks for the feedback.
These speakers sound good with older music as they inject life into the music…but with modern recordings they are way too forward in your face so I sold my pair…Danny could fix these…the drivers are high quality with a good timbre…just too hot.
Strike three dips and peaks! You're out!!! Seriously, I heard these compared to a source track and they were not even close to the source. They're selling now for $349 on Amazon but personally, I wouldn't pay that much. There are better speakers for just a little more like Debut B6.3 at $450. A much better deal in my opinion. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the data and reviews!
I think, when one says "for the money", it should be clear sonically as well as otherwise what that means.
Being direct about where corners are cut and how that impacts sound should be clearly stated. Critical reviews are helpful.
To be fair, this is one of their cheapest speakers, currently going for just $348/pair. The 40th anniversary Comete might be a LOT better. For my den, I'm glad I went with the Wharfedale Diamond 12.2 supplemented by a Polk subwoofer.
Another great honest review. Kudos
Speakers like that, the first thing I try is plugging up those ports. I'm only guessing but I bet that if you put a soft plug (with polyfil) in each port that smooths out a lot.
I actually considered doing that and remeasuring this speaker but I realized that it would likely only help the dip at 1.2kHz. It won’t help the dip/peak combos other than that. I think my time is better spent moving on.
@@ErinsAudioCorner
Understood ... but I think you'll find that port stuffing in a cabinet that size is going to have numerous other effects that may not be intuitively linked to the test graphs.
I had a pair of the Cambridge Audio clones of the Elac DB6.2s and from all indications port stuffing would only clean up one cancellation at 800hz. So when I tried it the response shifted lower (almost an octave lower), the cancellation was gone and the tweeter appeared more evenly matched (which was an artifact of the apparent increase in woofer output).
Something similar may or may not have happened in this case, but for the zero cost of it, it is clearly worth a try.
Nope, not crazy at all, I returned them, found the sound to be messy
I agree I bought those and the warfdale Evo for speakers for the bedroom and I tried them in the living room where my hometheater is they are in my opinion a trash/ unpleasant speaker
I really like these BR03 speakers, I had the Comete EZ for a period, they were better at some stuff, nice details and clear sound, good for string instruments, piano etc. But overall I went back to the BR03s, since they are very good "allround" speakers, they are good for all types of music, films and videogames. And I can listen to them 24/7 without any tiring of my head or ears, I did get enough of the Cometes after a while and had to lower the volume or stop listening. I do have pretty good hearing if it matters, and that is my theory, good hearing and maybe horns create a bit too sharp tiring sounds.
I DO want to maybe upgrade to something bigger and better though, but I am not sure how much better speakers I need to feel it to be worth it, and actually be better of course. And what those speakers is. I find it strange that there is not any more a bit bigger bookshelf speakers.
The speakers are really excellent, they play more expensive than their price, but they definitely need warming up, I warmed up for + - 40 hours, before them there were kef q 150, I sold them after I bought triangl borea 03.
Replying here just in case someone suggests a good speaker upgrade. Been searching for a year now and none of the speakers Ive tried even with Triangles own upper range can dethrone the BR03 for metal and J-core and general symphonic pop stuff. Maybe Triangle can make a side grade to the comete with BR03's voicing but with the better tweeter. Since my one issue with the BR03 is that while the woofer is very layered the tweeter struggles to throw a image towards the back.
@@llysender I have now tried used Dali Opticon 2 MK1, I have tried them a couple days, tried different placings etc. But the BR03 are still better, the Opticons have more bass, and a rear bass port, they did have "more" bass, but not better bass, and I can hear more details in the music in the BR03 over the Opticons. The Opticons sounds good, they feel like more or less like an somewhat worse BR03.
Although, the Opticons are 4ohm speakers, I MAY need a better amplifier, now I use an Surround Receiver, so maybe it is that, but I do not listen to music really loud, so I would think it is not the biggest issue, the BR03s goes down to 4ohm under load too I believe.
Opticons are really good and bassy for electronic music, but not as detailed for guitars, violins and such, I feel some instrument dissappear in the sound compared to BR03s. Also the rear bass port on Dalis may interfer with my room, I had to pull them far out the get nicer sound.
I want to get another good stereo amplifier though, I have some other Stereo amplifiers i MAY try though, but not at the moment. I am not sure that is a solution anyway, but I should find out before I can conclude anything.
@@llysender If borea 03 is supplemented with a subwoofer, the metal will sound even better and more assertive.
I was just about to buy the Br3's after an hour long demo vs some Bowers. Crisp sound, tight bass, sound is a little shut in but I changed my mind and ditch them. The reason being is their tweeter. They're just normal tweeters, you'll know where they at once you listen to them, they don't create that stereo image that the Bowers do. The Bowers tweeters instantly disappear into the whole room and create that tall, wide stereo image. They make it seem like like some giant PA's are standing right in front of you
Triangle does not honor their warranty for US customers. They will give you the runaround and shift their responsibility to the distributor, even though manufacturers are supposed to take care of warranty according to their policy. If you are not in Europe, I recommend avoiding this brand.
I was going to by the triangle borea br03 BT before viewing you rewiew of the passive version, can I ask you why would you advise me instead (the price can be a bit higher) ?
Of course, it's all about matching the speakers to the amp (and the room and the recording and the pressing and the cartridge and stylus -- or the DAC and the CD player or streaming service or...). I can hear what you mean in the upper midrange when I've listened to the BR03s, but with certain recordings and certain (vintage) receivers, there's sometimes some punchy/airy magic there. It depends. Other times -- and I can say this about any pair of speakers I've ever had -- they can sound flat or dull or grating or lifeless or... My ears can get bored. Being able to change the equipment to suit your mood is the ultimate in listening luxury.
Meh, didn't see any reviewers actually praising this speaker, I've always got the impression from reviews that recommend this speaker that it is a very good overall speaker but not one of the best, recommended but nothing special or exceptional. And most will talk about the tweeter being a little harsh as well
The speakers are fantastic. I use them more than a year and the pleasure is getting fuller and fuller. Trust your years and not the subjective opinions of others.
So in this rough price range when looking at a bookshelf speaker with no major quirks in it's response, that can play loud without breaking a sweat and sounds dynamic and engaging, what would you recommend?
When 100 reviewers praise BR03 & only one reviewer say NOT GREAT , do listen to the 100 reviewers .
100!? Wow! That’s a lot!!! I didn’t even realize there were that many reviewers!
Meaning ! Majority reviewers worldwide praise br03 except this guy .
Others have shown different graphs, also, so you really have take everything with a grain of salt. I mean a spinning thing in a garage isn't exactly SOTA. ;-)
@@ricklanders what others? Mine match with other anechoic data. Please don’t tell me someone with a mic in their living room counts. There’s a fundamental difference between anechoic and in-room. And it’s a huge difference. 😉
@@ErinsAudioCorner Good thing no one listens to music in an anechoic chamber.
M-Audiophile vid has a graph, looks much more accurate, imo.
I would’ve never guessed in a million years I had the capability to understand all of this, or for that matter even want to.
I’ve been a musician for 50 years and have equipment from the 70s Marantz/ Cerwin Vega.
Even though this video was about the deficiencies of this particular speaker, your break down as to the reasons why taught me a whole hell of a lot about all the squiggly lines.
Someone shoot me if I don’t check with Aaron before buying audio equipment.
Nicely done, sir.
That’s awesome!!!
I still really like CerwinVega! Speakers, I can’t imagine them measuring to well. It would be great to see Erin measure a pair!
I was at first impressed when I listened to my jazz, instrumental test tracks. But with rock music particularly "What IF" by Creed. Try this track if you haven't because I believe it's a decent test of how forgiving the speakers are and if the speakers can play "distorted" guitars .... The guitars in this track sounded like it was bunched up together , no sense of separation .
I returned a pair as well for the same reason but I own two pairs of the BR02’s & a pair of Titus EZ…go figure!
Just a thought….did triangle supply these for you to review? Wonder if they are the same ones going around that other reviewers have had in and disliked
I also own the Bro02 and i find them much better than bro03. Tonality wise ans sound wise, more neutral and much less sibalant (birght up top). Aparently looking at Erins measurements not having front ports as the Bro3 benefit this speaker more. Also is a tad smaller
How's the Titus Ez? Almost bought a pair a while back.
Bright.@@MrWslindsay
@@MrWslindsay They are good! Same tone as the BR02 but with added spark
@@leeh4722 thanks man. Feedback is great!
Unfortunately it seems that 100% honesty all of the time depends on most of the YT reviewers bills and their relationship with manufacturers and retailers which is to be expected. Thanks for this.
So refreshing to hear 'honest'.
Perfect balance of subjective & data.
Thank you & keep it up please.
so, can the problem also be extended to the larger models, bro8 and bro8?
great review and spot on! had them for over a year...aesthetically pleasing... but that 'hole' in the mids and the augmented high frequencies were simply too much... ended (glad i did NOT sell them) going back to my Elac Uni-fi (original model) which are imho very linear and extremely natural sounding (pianos, vocals, cellos, acoustic guitars, cymbals). i now have them paired with an Audiolab 6000A and they have never sounded better! a joy!
I dont see the issue with not liking it. Its like how I find the elac Debult Ref to be a horrible sounding speaker due to all the time smearing. Also apperently Im FR deaf from my experence with personal audio with the things Im chasing being fast response, clean minimal time delay in the crossover and importantly a "boosted" post 10k along with peak transients needing to be high.
Mostly due to referencing how I hear things in a small hall enviroment where its accoustically boosted with non miced instruments and never in a studio setting which is why my preferences misalign with people that primary listen to speakers? Hard to say.
tutto ok, ma le BOREA 03 sono sono diffusori da 400 euro...io li posseggo e abbinati ad un amplificatore "adatto" direi che suonano molto bene. il rapporto qualità e prezzo è notevole..Rimango in attesa di ricevere da voi un diffusore concorrente di pari qualità e prezzo,grazie,Jerry
I had this speaker for a brief period of time. A selling point for me was that it was relatively efficient for my tube amp and seemed to be getting a lot of praise.
I didn’t have them for more than a few moths before I sold them. They weren’t offensive to my ears, but I found that there was something off about the midrange. I will say that they make bad recordings sound…better. And if your into vinyl, you won’t hear some imperfections as much.
So it makes most noN audiophile music sound...great :D Just kidding!Or am I?
I guess the bump at ~700Hz "brings vocals forward" and the treble has "air" due to the rise in the top end.
The sibilance might be coming from the woofer after seeing that ultra nearfield response
I read some of the comments, some like them, some don't. Erin can verify his stance, but of course not yours. It was a good review, maybe not what I want to hear, but, for $375 i think I can gamble on it. Just because I need another sound in my living room. For this price you can find speakers that measure better, maybe even sound better, but that's for you to decide. Even if Erin doesn't like it, doesn't make you not like it. It is a matter of taste. I've heard enough high end to find boring pretty common. Trust your ears (fix your room).
Recently I've had the opportunity to have both the BR03 in "black ash" which I bought 3 years ago and the newer "USA model" in a "driftwood" finish which is classified as purely a cosmetic change and produced by Triangle in collaboration "with the Antal Audio Group".
This allowed me to weigh the 4 speakers on a reasonably accurate electronic balance. The older black pair both weighed 15.9 lbs and the driftwood pair 14.8 and 15.2 lbs. The weights were obtained with grills off and weighings done several times to determine the same readings for each speaker. My question is, can the weights vary by 0.9 lbs /speaker if the only change is cosmetic? Doesn't a weight decrease of ~ 6% indicate something more radical in either the cabinets or components?
Curiously, Triangle's manual with these speakers lists them as weighing 13.22 lbs (2 places of decimals!).
I should add that I'm not comfortable in saying that one pair sounds different to the other pair because I don't trust my psychoacoustic sense when I might be influenced by other's comments and this finding.
I should add that the external appearance of the drivers and the cabinet dimensions were the same in both finishes.
Maybe a tube amp or class a could balance things out with this one?
i think you got a defective product/speakers. because on amazon they got 80% of quality reviews and minimal deception. did you test both speakers or just one?
I don't remember from which reviewer: the edition made in France was acceptable, and made in China was a disaster-> I passed!
I've enjoyed the speaker. Rooms creates more issues than this speaker creates. For $300 I couldn't purchase the materials to make the speaker myself and have it look as good as it does. Never mind my time is worth more than that. At least use sound correction to help take care of issues instead of looking for these perfectly smooth outputs that probably would need to be corrected anyway due to the room.
Man, that was on point I like the way you think
I like this speakers. Very pleasures for me. May be it's not very correct ? bha.... i like. I compair it with 40th anniversary (i got these also) and are different but very satisfactory speakers, and perhaps borea 03 it's more pleasant and less "hi-end sound"
@Erin’s Audio Corner I would be interested to see you analyze the Cambridge Audio SX-60.
Thanks so much for this review. I was THINKING about these for our soon to be renovated master bedroom/bath. Uhm, NO! I really appreciate ALL that you do, especially the TEACHING of the data. Nerds really do rule.
Nerds are indeed awesome!
I wanted to try the Triangle AIO Twin but, you can't find them ANYWHERE in Canada. PITA so I'll pass.
The Borea BR3, why do many TH-cam Talking heads like them? Because they can't say otherwise or no more speakers will be sent to them for review. The YT talking head lives off the content they can generate. The distributor / brand simply is funneling what would otherwise be advertising funding into samples to be sent to reviewers. They send so many, that no reviewer would even attempt to be critical of their product. All of them have done the same. They need the flow of new samples, towers, subs, BT and powered with Triangle Logos, so they can review and generate content. One misstep and no more samples - remember Mica-. I would guess effective for Triangle and bad for consumers. That’s the nature of the business today.
Yikes, own these for about 3 years now and never heard anything like this. I used them as desk speakers and now as tv speakers.
Hey man,
No, you're not (crazy). This is indeed a mediocre speaker. From a French perspective, I don't even understand the "mini-hype" for this in NA. Here, most would consider it as nothing but a budget speaker, mostly intended to be sold in mainstream home appliances stores. It is not even Made in France and there're much more competent offerings for the money, particularly from an US market perspective...
I congrat Triangle for successfully extending their market outside France these last few years, but it came at a cost:
- Now producing the vast majority of their speakers in China (only higher-end Esprit 40th, Signature and Magellan 40th are still made here).
- Sending their speakers to many random influencers who, as usual, praise anything they review, creating some undeserved hype around unremarkable speakers like this one...
Another great indepth review!
Doors - Light My Fire , never heard this song better than on this speaker
And the fact is, when people are auditioning, this speaker is lively... It convinced me !
@@filipedasilva8512 It does sound good. People are brainwashed to like what they call "neutral," which is just another sound profile in and of itself, not inherently better than anything else. "Neutral" is usually a very flat, boring sound that has no life or excitement to it. But hey, it's got the "right" graph, so it must be better, lol.
This why audiophile full of crap pair it whit a cambridge axr100 and thank me later.
Erin, I appreciate your honesty. Thanks for doing what you do.
Excellent job Erin. Arendal 1961 monitor coming soon?
Thanks. It is.
@@ErinsAudioCornerlooking forward to seeing the 1961 monitor on stage🎉🎉
Can you please try to review the Focal Teva No.1? Thanks!
Thanks for the teardown! I said on Patreon I guessed the sharp rise in IMD around 3KHz might be from using electrolytic capacitors in the crossover, but I was dead wrong! That is actually a pretty nice looking crossover for the budget.
If your reference is the RP-600M, you are lost.😊
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I watched Zero Fidelity review of the Borea and the PSB T200, as well as other reviewers, the comparison against the Klipsch always arises. Being confirmed the Klipsch is a V shaped response, that is the reason for my comment. Thank you for the video and being honest.
I really don't give a shite to graphs and measurements. I listened to these speakers. They sounded better than everything else in the same price range. I bought them and I am happy for more than 2 years with them now. Have a good day.
Sorry to hear that.
The treble boost is why reviewers love it: "The detail! The detail!"
Yes, classic "ear-flirting".
Are those heritage specials in the back 👀
Some people are in love with svs audio.
I’ve come to accept that the “usual suspect” reviewers on TH-cam sing the praises of whatever they’re sent. The Sony ss-cs5 was the turning point, they’re also terrible. Yet we are told they’ll destroy $1000 speakers. Then 2 months later there’s another swarm of videos once a company sends out their newest budget speaker. Sadly all these budget speakers sound budget, they just do.
A lot of reviewers like them? Just goes to show you how much interested motives are behind a lot of mainstream reviewers.
A lot of reviewers are shills.
I've had these speakers for over a year now, l can tell you that right now after many hours of playback - they sound much better than the first year for whatever reason. I initially purchased these for my sunroom and didn't want to spend too much. I can assure you ...they are amazing for the money.
I don't know, I like them. I went with them over Klipsch and Elac. While I'd go for the LS50 Meta if it was in my budget, these were the next best thing in my opinion. To each their own, but these are terrific speakers for their price. I did get them on Amazon renewed though. These will be with me for a long while and are currently hold over until I can buy something more expensive, but that doesn't make them bad.
Man,audio is a frustrating hobby. Pricey, and difficult to audition. So you go to review channels.
Do they help or hurt. This channel calls this speaker a turd.Zero review says its one of his favorite
All time bookshelf speakers. Who is right? They both are...for them.
I appreciate your opinions! Thank you for reviews
Interesting evaluation especially as I respect you as a reviewer and I think your approach to reviewing is very thorough. I have the Esprit Titus EZ from this company, a smaller bookshelf speaker than this but a model further up the range. I think this speaker is marvelous for it's price point (was about £1000 but can now be had for £699). I have heard a lot of bookshelf speakers around this price and none, and I mean not one, sounded as good to me as this one.
Erin, I am a late newcomer to the audio journey. I watch your channel very often, you do great work. I own a pair of Borea BRO3. Can a gr research upgrade of the crossover improve this speaker
Thank you! this (and Buchardt). are the most fanboi overrated speakers on the market right now. These are just nasty to me, and buchardt are syrupy and rolled off.
I was about to buy these... please suggest an alternative speaker with high sensibility (>88 dB) in this price range!
Love your videos. You're doing a great job.
Most premium speakers are too bright...
Maybe you can improve things with EQ. I would try getting a flat frequency response using White noise. However
"EQ can fix nothing". "EQ temporarily puts a Band-Aid on sonic flaws." (according to Dave the honest audiophile in his recent rant video) Personally I think Dave needs to get a life. Most people can get great results from EQ. The poorer the headphone/IEM or speakers the better the results I can get using EQ.
I tried these speakers for about a week, and knew right away they were not for me. Too bass-heavy, no mid-range, and honestly just cheap-sounding. Love your ears, Erin.
This speaker need help. Someone in the US, send one to Danny at GR research. Yes, he can help folks with their speakers and yes it ain’t cheap. No one works for free. But Danny makes these test for free and makes a YT video and maybe sell a bunch of upgrade kits to pay his salary. Wifey and family happy. Also employees. Probably will the person whom send in the speaker even more happy with a accurate sound.
got rid of these because they just sounded confused when sent anything a little complex. pretty awful
Best Speaker Review Channel !!
Never let up... good stuff
That's not very good at all. The big rise in the highs was what I expected from this one. I think this spesker was mostly built for fashion - look good, sound...well it has sound.