Fire Truck Goes Down While Fighting A 10,000 Acre Wildfire!
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- This type 4 wild land fire engine was working on the Crazy Creek Fire in the Ochoco National Forest, which as of editing this video is 15,000 acres and 0% contained, when it went into limp mode due to an emissions derate. Luckily the crew was able to drive it away from the active fire and down to base camp where they sent me to go pick it up, but this just goes to show how dangerous this emissions equipment is on these emergency vehicles. There is absolutely nothing physically wrong with the truck that should stop it from functioning as normal and continuing to do its job. But due to some sensor or computer glitch, the truck was brought down in a dangerous situation with a crew of fire fighters out on the line. Now on top of that, the truck has to be towed to a dealership where it will be out of commission for who knows how long during a time when we are already stretched WAY too thin on fire fighting resources.
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Update: This fire is now over 60,000 acres.
Also, the truck is too tall to go on the deck, no you can’t just put the transfer case in neutral, and leaving it idle to keep transmission fluid pumping would be a $25k gamble that a truck that’s already in derate wouldn’t shut itself off if left idling for an hour and a half.
Good man being willing to help! We should all be doing our part to support our firefighters. Its been pretty good in Jackson Co this year, but it will be our turn next. Got lightning today
Why couldn't you just put the the transfer case in neutral since almost all 4x4 vehicles can be flat towed by placing the transfer case in neutral. Starting in the 1980s most transfer cases have self contained lubrication pumps driven from the rear output shaft.
@@ChrisHarding-lk3jj there are TWO forms of lubrication in a lot of transfer cases (most definitely not all). Can you tell me what they are??
Always a fan of the vids Casey! Curious as to why you don’t do any rotational tows?? not sure if you’ve ever spoken about it.
@@trevormason6717 because I don’t meet the requirements, and I have zero desire to change that.
Our first ambulance with DEF was horrible. Multiple times it went into limp mode while transporting a patient to the hospital. The fact that the federal government wouldn't give a free pass to emergency vehicles is ridiculous.
That’s horrible hope the patient was ok.
Well they will on federal land to protect they’re federal property (federal workers)… they don’t give a phock about us
It's all part of the democrat population control agenda because they don't care.
But yet many federal government owned vehicles are exempt down to diesel pickups they use, but here we have federal Wildlands fire engine with full emissions/sensor b/s.... "The rules are for thee, not me"
We had a 1982 Ford that had limp mode before limp mode was even a thing! It would just suddenly die or the lights would just shut off It was always hit or miss until that fateful day it actually got hit. I unfortunately was driving it at the time and ended up leaving me with a neck injury and two crushed disc's in my neck that have bothered me ever since.
Emissions systems, on a wildland fire appliance? You have to be kidding. US military vehicles don't have any, and neither do cop cars, what the hell do fire trucks? While ours do here in Australia it's a one-button override for as long as needed.
I cut fire trails with a 1938 D6, 8 litres, 3 cylinders, no electrics at all apart from the magneto on the pony. No way would I be on a fireground on a dozer with emissions gear, it's already dangerous enough. As long as my girl has fuel and air, she'll run.
Stay safe mate.
Exactly..
Old School
wait till you see the new ev trucks wonder how he will tow
Your government actually has a brain between them. Probably took 1 person to raise the question during a committee meeting. What happens if the computer detects an emissions problem during a fire?...6seconds later... Well shit we can't have that then. How about a switch to tell the computer it's ok to ignore it? Excellent solution, all in favor? Eye. Motion carried, what's for lunch.
@@tomviolette7053 My guess is you have to pull axle shafts. It might depend on the truck I think all the trucks that have two drive axles have a rear axle with a clutch disconnect for the motor. Theoretically you would have to make sure the clutch is disconnected and then you can tow it like normal.
because companys dont want to risk it which is stupid
50ton wrecker here.... just learned a new way to go about beater drivelines.... thanks man
The hillbilly U-joint press was entertaining, classic example of "its only stupid if it doesn't work"
MacGyver has nothing over Casey !! Casey always finds a way to get the job done!
You’d think emergency equipment would be exempt from anything that could hamstring it
You would think so right. Only government vehicles are allowed to be exempt🤦♂️
@@TowMan127 hilariously that fire truck IS a government vehicle , even has government plates
@@krald8421 yeah I know which is why it’s stupid. It’s selected vehicles I guess. Emergency vehicles should have any restrictions.
It's all about the money, they can add more to the cost of the vehicle new and it guarantees lots of repair bills for the life of the vehicle. Mechanics have to eat and pay bills too.
just got back from 14 days on that fire, thanks for what you do.
Thank YOU for what you do.
Thanks Casey. Appreciate your support to fire agencies. Best wishes from a volunteer wildland fire-fighter here in Australia 🇦🇺
As a retired former fire service mechanic for a large city (24 years) I can appreciate your service on those. For future reference if the trick has a split shaft transfer case to drive the fire pump you don’t have to pull the drive shaft to tow by engaging the pump which disconnects the rear axle from the transmission. It is in a case full of gear oil and will lubricate the bearing in the pump transmission.
This truck has a pony motor pump. Completely independent of its drive system
@@CaseyLaDelle Too bad. Thanks for putting this video up. Anything about fires and firetrucks is near and dear to my heart. Thanls for taking care of our firecrews and their equipment.
Calculator pro tip. You can swipe right on the number if you enter it wrong and it works as a backspace so you don’t have to clear it out and restart.
Sitting here in a hospital bed, recovering from reversal surgery of Hartmanns, enjoying watching Casey do another awesome recovery, thanks Casey , you took my mind off things for a minute here, all the best from New Zealand 🇳🇿
I'm glad you put in the total unhooking and putting away your tools because it shows there's just as much work if not more when you're finished a towing job. A lot of people think it's an easy job that anyone can do it. I know that I have more respect for the towing community since the company I drove for had me doing the heavy haul towing for them for a few months.
I’m in a fire department in Montana and our fire truck certified mechanic told me that def/DPFs or whatever emissions systems aren’t required on fire apparatus. Also when I was in the military they deleted all of our vehicles that had diesel emissions. They obviously know it’s a joke and does nothing but cause problems but still require us peasants to have these systems in our trucks and equipment
I'm a former FF/EMT chauffer. Depends on the state. However the way the law reads its on the engine type vs chassis type. That what I was told by our mechanic. The fire service as a whole has to push back to get that exemption changed. But since many government agencies follow "California Emissions" California will never change the standards. And since the new Electeic fire engines cost $1.85 million a piece.... yeah... we are in trouble in the volunteer service.
These wildland engines belong to the feds, and unfortunately theyre stuck with the stupid DEF systems. Trust me, they hate it even more than you
lights, tiger tool, cable ties, air kite, plastic bags sticker for the windshield to tell that the drive Linds been pulled.
Boss lady going to fire you for not going to job prepared 😂😂😂😂
Ever hear of owner/operator? That means he’s his own boss. He’s self-employed, which means he works for himself.
@@EmergencyGuy no shit Sherlock I have My own business as well
@EmergencyGuy You missed the entire point he was trying to make. Ever heard of sarcasm?
C you truly have that rollback customized to point where it is so versatile for any situation. Again showing your professionalism. Wish you serviced my area! Thanks for videos.
You're very knowledgeable and your personality fits the job you do. Sometimes you have to rig up something to make it work. My Dad used to have a tow truck and car hauler and he always had chunks of wood with him to make the tow. How long have you been doing this? Take care of yourself. Oh love the little tour you gave us. It's nice to see the countryside of different places when you don't get to go anywhere.
Hello Casey. Don't forget the zip lock bags and window stickers for your kit. Hope you and your family have a great weekend.
I liked the way you pressed out that spider. Great note to self.👍🙏
I drive a 2020 RAM 5500 at work. The catalytic converter gotten plugged from the stupid Def emission system, went into limp mode and crawled. The truck was loaded with trash and had to be dumped at the landfill. The longest dump run ever taken. 20 mph was the most I got from it
Sounds like a pain in the ass.
My work is getting me a new F450 dually for my work truck and that kind of shit is the only reason I’m glad they went with a gas engine. I’m hoping they specced it out with the 7.3L.
If only there was a sneaky GovJuice delete way......>.>
If these engines were properly tuned and optimized for peak performance there would be no need for def . Great work Casey. Keep it up man
Def/GovJuice is just another waste of money & does it's own bit to hurt the environment. But if they say it's helping, who are the blind to disagree? A well made engine doesn't need extra garbage.
An Awesome Cascade Heavy Rescue!!!!! Thanks for stopping at the scales to show how heavy!!!
Casey you are excellent operator I worked on bus and trucks for 35 years popping drive shaft caps was beautiful beats shit out of using bottle jack
In a Mack dealership recently, they had a military Mack 6x6 dump truck. Huge truck, absolutely no emissions! Govt says "Do as I say, not as I do!"
You damn good at getting them holes and pins lined up would take me forever
Absolute genius Casey. Experience and perseverance wins every time. I learn almost every video.
These "emissions" are more of a pain than they are worth!! Here in Northeast Wyoming one of my friends had to tow a brand new fire truck off a fire scene because the emissions system shut the truck down.. I personally think these fire departments need to get rid of the latest greatest thing and be allowed to eliminate the emissions crap
I dont know why Fire departments dont have factory deletes of the emission systems. I know Police vehicles and Army vehicles dont have any emission crap right from the factory.
@thesayxx Former Fed Wildland Fire Officer here: we requested it. Nationally. Numerous times.
Then the issues started- this is FAR from the first time an apparatus has gone into limp OR regen mode, and several occurrences have been under MUCH worse and dangerous conditions than this.
New Fed apparatus is still coming off the assembly line with emissions fully intact.😬
@@MarkGTLLC That sucks. I get it why we mortals have to shoulder the bullshit with the crappy systems that are good only on paper, but Firefighters should definitely not have to deal with a regen cycle of all thing when fighting a fire, while having their own ass on the line. I bet those armoured limousines they use don't have and DPF's and EGR's :D
@thesayxx dude, that's the problem right there: there's no "we mortals", except in the minds of certain individuals who think themselves better than the rest of us. Internalizing and repeating it just gives it power, and to that, i would say: don't.
A few mins in Casey talks about being a contract dozer operator for CalFire and they loaned him a nice snazzy new dozer... that went into limp mode at the bottom of a deep drainage and put him at risk.
There are people self-appointed above us who do not share our values or common sense, and whose values and "common sense" are deleterious to ours. That's really the baserock of the situation.
Give the military the same emissions. How quick would the problem get solved. Engine manufacture could disallow emissions deletes around election day.
Izee-Paulina Rd? If so yes that is probably Big Sunmit Prairie back up towards the base of the hills north.
I was a Fire Prevention Officer on the Malheur, not too far east of there.
One reason they might have wanted to ditch it at the spike camp is they could put the crew in a "6 pack" chase rig and still have the folks available as manpower.
If the engine goes down halfway to Prineville, now they have stranded crew that needs to be picked up and brought back to ... get in a 6 pack chase rig.
Having you out there is actually a bigger help than you might have realized.
Oh he knows as like he stated in the video he used to run dozers under contract by calfire in california
Good morning Casey. Wild fires there and floods on the East coast. My mothers home was badly flooded. We are trying to rebuild . it is overwhelming.
9 sec. faster, you good.....still thinking about you, hope it all gets better?
@@JanelleVocate-Ames Thank you Janelle , we're trying to not get discouraged. Mom had no flood insurance because she does not live in a flood prone area. FEMA is a complete joke , Mom is 87 years old and had to ride out the flood inside all alone. I started a money raising fund for her to try and help. I hope that you are safe from the fires there. Thank you Janelle and big hugs.
@@richardthomas1743 oh honey, I was going to ask if she lived there or if it was just property you took care of...I'm SO glad SHE's okay, everything else can be replaced(sort of) The closest fire went the other way so we're ok for now, but the dry lightning last night scared the💩 out of me!
@@JanelleVocate-Ames OMG I bet it did! Way too dry there and way too wet here.
@@richardthomas1743not even wet on the east coast man. Everywhere needs 3 days of steady rain. (Virginia)
Tiger Tool, Air Fittings Kit, Drive Line Cables, Zip Lock Bags, Magnetic Lights, CYA Stickers, Pen 😉😉 Great job without your tools! Ingenuity & knowledge won!👍😎 Stay safe out there!❤️🙏
Your comments are right on re: emissions on Emergency vehicles, but don’t expect the EPA to think reasonably.
The thing that gets me is that I'm pretty sure emergency apparatus, while they are required to have the emissions aftertreatment system, are *NO LONGER* (as of like 2013) required by the EPA to derate in fault conditions. Christmas tree of warning lights, yes, potentially belching incredibly toxic partially-treated exhaust, but it should maintain full power specifically for these life safety reasons. You just have to contact the engine manufacturer with your bona fides to get that ECU programming (and, of course, the engine manufacturer needs to have programming for it. Cummins does, maybe some of the other manufacturers don't)
Another great video Casey
The joys of owning a business the never ending battle of keeping vehicles stocked with everything you need to do a job. Don't forget to stock the first aid kit and check the fire extinguishers.
I liked that trick you used to press out the u-joint on that driveline
Hopefully they can get that truck back in action ASAP. We need all the equipment we can this year. Another great video!
Even though the wood block trick is well known, I still thought is was a cool trick. Seeing you use your under reach reminded me of another cool trick. This may also be a well known trick too but I had never seen it. A guy wanted to quickly flip a SUV back on its wheels. It was on its side. He extended the under reach and then raised it. He attached a short piece of chain to the top frame rail and to the under reach. He then dropped and pulled in the under reach. It worked a charm. Quick and easy.
This flip ring locking pins I like to call finger biters 😂😂😂
This is where the old prepper motto comes to mind. Two is one, and one is none... If you have one tool, then essentially, you have none. Case in point, if you forget to bring it or take your other truck. Kudos on the workaround. It almost seemed easier to do it the way you did anyway. I thought you did have a remote for the rollback 🤔
Having 2 different styles of tow trucks sure does give you more recovery options. The down side is, you need to have 2 complete sets of tools. I feel your pain.
Actually he has at least 3 types of wreckers
My father talks about brining the wrong truck tools. You could have dozens of trucks tools.
Emissions should not be on any emergency vehicles or commerical vehicles. Great job Casey
I think we jinxed you as I thought to myself, "he's going to make it!", just before the last pin snapped you. Appreciation for what its like to undo the vehicle in the dark of night after a long day, trying to avoid the tripping hazards and remember all the fittings etc. Thought for sure you might comment on the AC in the roll back! 😁
stunning scenery
Imagine if a fire crew was in a working fire & their engine went into derate & the water stopped flowing... THANKS EPA! .!. .!. .!.
I would have to look it up but pretty sure that HAS happened. I know I've seen reports of engines going into regen or limp enroute to calls.
Interesting , Thank You . Another fine example of what makes you such a fine example to us
Pro tip for the iPhone calculator users, looking at you Casey. If you miss-input a number, or miss a number, you can swipe across the screen to delete and retry without clearing the rest of your previous calculation.
So you could have left the 5100+35700+4 (swipe across to delete it), correct to 14350 and still hit =. Now you don't have to remember the previous numbers!
Thanks for the good company while I watch sunrise drinking my coffee
Stay safe and healthy brother 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🤙🏼🤟🏼🖖🏼🇳🇿
Another good recovery...Like the way you got the drive-shaft disconnected..Good thinking Casey....Stay safe and see you next one
Wildfire season in your area is NUTS right now!! 😳 I just drove up I84 yesterday and almost every rest area had lots of heavy equipment and fire trucks staged or in route.
Wow 😮 it actually worked... Can't count the amount of times those stupid pins got me 😢
I'm curious why that pretty new employee you have isn't with you on this recovery? I feel like we've been robbed lol 😂😂😂😂😂
My guess is she's looking after their daughter.
I think he filmed this before she became a new employee? Maybe.
@@EatCarbs good point
Most likely taking care of daughter and doing office stuff.
Did you forget that they have a daughter?
You can back swipe on the calculator if you make a mistake. Great video 👍🏻
There is nothing wrong with taking extra precautions in the job... Especially when you are the boss!
As always, great video! Can't get over how much extra equipment and tools are needed for each truck. Don't forget to get Ziploc bags for the rollback! 🙂
I think that Casey needs to spend a morning checking that both of his trucks are fitted out with the same tools and equipment so that he can just use whichever truck is the correct one for the job in hand and not worry about having forgotten anything.
Add plastic bags and window stickers to your shipping list....sounds like a good job for your new employee!
Love your ingenious way of solving problems.
Thanks for sharing your part of the country with us, always like the change of scenery.🙂
Who sponsored the lumber.. LOL.. daaammm strong :)
Limping emissions equipment on a wild fire apparatus ahahahahahahaaaaa
It’s good to see shenanigans again
That Regen is nothing but a pain for truckers. Having all the right tools the same in both trucks saves time having to move from one truck to the other. Good job Casey !
Nice job on the u joint
Anything that decreases Dependability should Not be on Emergency Equipment!
I understand the disaproval of Def because of its high fail rate. And esspecially first aid equipment should be reliable at all times. But? is it the Def system or bad Def causing it? Here in europe there are not that many failures. It seems more reliable. Different engines/systems?
Note to myself? #1 inspect truck before leaving and blame the new employee if things are missing😂.
#2 check the truck i want to tow if i pul it forward or backyard before turning it around. But then we would not have had this content.
I worked for a company where we did not have a own car. So i had a bag with all personal items (garmin, laptop, personal safety equipment etc) i took with me to the car. You could make a box you take with you on the car you use. Or have to buy stuff triplex. I hear a lot lately: oh no thats in the other truck.
Most DEF system failure problems seem to be related to the formation of crystal. The packaging does have a temperature range warning. Most west coast summertime temperatures will easily exceed the limit; then add the heat of a fire and...
So why is this system approved for use?
delete. delete. delete
Thats why us navy Ford trucks are factory emissions deleted.
@@morthomer5804 Internal Combustion Engines are Simple Machines. Those used in Emergency Vehicles Generally receive Regular Maintenance, which would allow them to meet or exceed most Emissions requirements, reducing or Removing the "need"(?) for ALL the additions made to engines to meet those supposed requirements.
@@henkoosterhof5947how about we just rid of the stupid shit all together?
Just a suggestion on coiling your air hoses... Look up the "over/under" technique for coiling hoses and extension cords. It keeps the hose from kinking up as you pull it out to use it.
Adapt and overcome, good job Casey!
Hey Casey, when on the apple calculator if you swipe backwards it will clear the last number so you can clear that number. That way you don’t have to start all over
Greased slide bars and the like; Yup in fire service we learn to leave some parts dry for the exact reason you showed. The great dusty west!
Just found out you’re in my neck of the world. I live SW of Redmond by Peterson Rock Garden. Subscribed to your channel. I want to support our local people!
Great video Casey.
Dude, you are the shit in your industry. i have no idea what you were doing with the blocks and the up and down on the drive train but clearly you do/did. with respect to your pricey and comprehensive equipment inventory, do you need me to send you a good flashlight/headlamp? kills me to see you using your phone light. haha thanks for your effort in this video and supporting the wild fire fighting....
It is always nice to follow you! Thanks
Those wood blocks are the key tool for any work truck 😂, I had to pick up a trailer once solo and found out the jack on it was broken and it sat a few inches under the hitch. No air bags no hydraulics so I pulled forward and placed some wood blocks for the front tires to reverse over to lower my fixed hitch in rear and then another piece of cribbing to pry with to pop it into place. Maybe two buff guys could of lifted the tongue but it was a Reel trailer so all the weight is on tongue jack with not any real leverage to teeder the rear of the trailer.
Never seen the Tigar tool 6x6 trick before pretty slick!
Doing side of the road , emergency repairs years back, a small hydraulic jack and length of 1/4 chain worked well for those press-ins as well. Whatever it takes...
I'm a retired firefighter, currently enjoying your newest video about towing the fire engine. A couple of points - fire engines with tanks are usually shipped with about. Quarter tank of water. When they're empty, the tank can bounce in its frame, causing wear. Also, not sure about that forestry rig, but our structural trucks had a bypass for the regen so it wouldn't do anything unexpected while pumping or something.
Depending on how rough the roads are, an empty tank is better than a partial full due to the water sloshing back and forth, which could break the internal baffle walls since most tanks are made out of plastic and the plastic welds can break. It's a no-win situation. I've had to put my Tanker truck in the shop. My coverage area didn't have a lot of hydrants.
Nice job improvising with the wood. 29:09 next time just hit the “C” once and you can continue adding. Press it twice and it clears everything
Oh, man. I, in the future jinxed you in the past. I barely finished the thought of you not pinching your finger when it got you. I always enjoy when you point out the old/abandoned structures. Another great video.
Work smarter not harder! Use the tools you have on hand. Yes blocks of wood make great tools as you just showed. Brilliant Casey!
You could use some curtesy lights around the perimeter of your truck so you can move about safely in the pitch black dark!
If I wanted lights, I would have them
Good work lights.
Things was being screwy because the boss and Grumpy wasn't there.😂
What a great trick getting that driveline free. I was 71 F250 on 16” rims with chains on all four corners, but was high centered on an icing snow drift. The five ton Jack just compressed the snow, so we could Jack the truck up to get tree branches under the tires. Put a frisbee under the Jack and up the truck went.
I hope you went ahead and ordered those parts already. 😉😉
Thanks for the video
Well Casey, it's a good thing you came prepared for the job 👀
Also air fitting kit all for the roll back.
Some call it being MacGyver, some call it jury-rigging and there are other names. End of the day we do what we have to do to get the job done!
It is indeed amazing how wildfire smoke can make a sunset so beautiful.
I'm still happy this truck is back in action :)
Where in St Louis Missouri and we got some of that smoke crazy stuff man
A lot of emergency fire companies do not realize that there is a law that was passed that allows them to order fire trucks and ambulances without emission equipment on them or even legally have their vehicles deleted. The problem comes when they resell them they can never be retagged unless purchased by another fire company.
I like you said crescent wrench in sted of adjustable
tis wildfire season for sure. Yesterday afternoon the Milemarker fire started 2 miles from our house. Nice to have the air tanker center so close at RDM airport. it was quite the air show for a while with 3 tankers, 2 helicopters and an air boss plane. Big DC-10 tanker brought up from Sacramento. At one point 10,000 Pacific Power customers lost power in 103° heat, Fortunately our neighborhood is on a different provider. They had it under control in a few hours; those firefighters and all those that assist them are great.
Add a couple rechargable lights to the rollback wish list. Good job Casey. The little tricks like dropping the air on the deck to get your right tilt angle make the fight so much easier
Those wheel chocks are slick as snot
😂just sat for 20 minutes listening to the darkness talk about towings pro's and con's?😂😂Good job Casey/darkness?
Diesel Chevy Ambulance I ran years ago, thing would go into "slow mode" and limit our speed to next to nothing. Guess people have to wait for an ambulance due to emissions.
Great improvising.
Hey Casey here to remind you to order a tiger tool haha. Good evening
emissions derate on an emergency vehicle? Who was the genius who thought that was a good idea?
I wonder what kind of sound you hear in the haunted brothel ?
@@edj3010 moans.
@@CaseyLaDelle and groans !
And probably the sounds of some Rampant Rabbits also
Oddly enough, same sounds as before the joint was haunted.
That truck would weigh25,150lbs and another 6,000lbs if loaded with water witch would be 31,150lbs!! That is a good amount to haul!! But not for Casey for sure because he is definitely very careful on his limits on weights!! Awesome video Casey!!!