These 2 young men were putting on a nice defensive display when the incompetent Ref inserted himself into the match. Hopefully he isn't reffing anymore
@@aaronsakhai no no you can touch the head but there’s an area of the face you cant touch and if you do it to block Vision that’s when you get hit with the call.
@@treverolson4154 Unless your poking someone's eyes, or outright slapping them in the face, there is no penalty. The ref was gesturing to the coach he was pulling down headgear, which he wasn't.
I think more to the point... the official doesn't recognize that it is a Technical Violation, and not an Illegal hold. That error leads one to wonder if he's therfore calling the 'Hands to the Face' (or 'raking the face) correctly... Seems like this is a bit of a stretch. But... He called it.
So what is the hand,signal for technical violation as far as I know that is the hand,signal for all illegal activity in the match now for team point violations different,story but that is the only hand,signal in the match itself I have ever seen either way unwarranted in both cases shitty call
Hmm maybe the ref use to be the head coach. Happened to me once. Ref was a teacher from our school who use to be the head coach. I don’t recall exact details, but the next day at school I recall having words with the teacher/ref. He said something about our coach. Again I don’t recall what was said but it was clear he had an issue with the new coach. After we had words I was sent to the office. The teacher never called our matches again.
I clicked on this video because this guy was a ref for us when I was in hs 15yrs ago. He was at every tournament and a lot of our duals. Is this the East Lake tournament or a quad?
lol coach should file a grievance with the officiating body and have the ref suspended for failure to not only do his job but to know the rules or in this case any rules and not be reinstated till he goes through a certified USA ref clinic.
Also I love the red explain it at the end to the coach. He was acting like he was punching the kid in the face and way more than hands to the face which is legal they just don't like eye gauging. At the very and the kid in purple acccidently had a bit of the head gear and it moved slightly while hand IMO. The face but nothing illegal and not intentional at all. Just a very bad ref.
the only think i saw that was even moderately close to illegal was hands to the face and neither of them were really doing so. i don’t even remember if that was a new rule in 2017 but i know the rules differentiate in different states and styles. either way the ref sucked.
I don’t know 100% of the rules in the American wrestling organisation because i’m from Sweden , but I couldn’t se anything wrong in this match. Can anyone update me , please?
That was some of the worst officiating I've seen. I hope someone presented this to that officials' group or supervisor for review. Nothing I saw was illegal and certain nothing warranting a DQ.
@@Michael89240 This is maybe the dumbest thing I've ever seen written in relation to Wrestling. You ABSOLUTELY can "grab people's head." It's about 90 pct of hand fighting. No, they POORLY called hands to the face...when it was to the forehead...which is legal. You can't get down around the eyes, he wasn't(and the other kid was also doing it and he was doing it legally). And you also give at LEAST a couple warnings. This ref had some issue with that team or...IDK. Sloppy.
My brother used to be an assistant wrestling coach at Sickles High School in Tampa from summer 2001-2005 and when he saw this he didn't see any wrongdoing by either wrestler. The ref must have seeing things that never happened.
As a former wrestler who's competed at the collegiate level. This is one of the worst displays of officiating I've ever seen. The ref must be on drugs.
@@anbublackhawk1031 it is though. You can’t touch around the eyes to mouth area for 2 reasons. It blocks your opponents vision and you can also have eye pokes
I've been involved with wrestling since ... I've wrestled from Elementary school then 6 years of HS... % years of college.... Officiated, Coached etc... That is the ALL TIME WORST CALL I'VE EVER SEEN. The Ref wanted to Beat his chest and show that he was in charge when in fact his position is to try to help the kids. IF the kid was continually doing something wrong or illegal after being warned he should stop the match and tell the kids and COACHES. Then if it happened again take action... The kid obviously didn't know what was going on.
Ref was wrong. Wayyyyyy too quick to call and eventually eliminate the purple wrestler. Plus, the final exchange appeared legit. Tough break for that kid. Ref needs some correction.
I have been involved in the sport of high school wrestling for many years, as a wrestler, as an official, and now as a fan. I do not understand what this referee did. Hands to the face? Perhaps...
I rewatched the video and did see one instance of hands to the face, but my question is this: why did the ref not assess the penalty the moment it happened? Why did he wait until the end of the period to assess the penalty and DQ the wrestler in the blue singlet? From my point of view, he was being the most aggressive wrestler, attempting several single leg takedowns, and his opponent did mostly countering the attacks. I believe this was a poor job of officiating.
Horseshit ref! Must have had a beef with the school, coach, or wrestler. I’ve seen it before but this was as bad as it gets. Neither kid looks a challenger for a state champion but imagine if that’s what was on the line
The match was ended because it was boring. This is why I liked watching the heavy weight matches. It was like being on a river boat in Africa watching the hippos slam their jiggly masses against each other to establish dominance.
I have absolutely no clue what the ref was calling there....like really. The ref just reminded me of John Dupont from Foxcatcher. That's all I thought the entire time after the first terrible call.
Literally there was nothing illegal to Warren a disqualification. They were both in the neutral position and while both weren’t really doing that much they were still on occasions going for shots. There was no punches thrown no nothing. The only thing I could say is that they possibly both were stalling but in that sense in the neutral position it’s kind of hard to call that since neither one of them are really doing that much. But even with stalling it doesn’t warrant a disqualification it would just be you get a couple of points if you keep doing it. This has to be the worst officiating I’ve ever seen from a rough. And in my days of wrestling in high school I’ve seen some pretty terrible calls.
This popped up in my feed after watching mma, ufc and boxing videos.... This video, hands down, probably the gayest fucking video I have ever watched in my life.... and I've watched CNN. (Accidentally) smh
In my HS years I never had the intelligence or maturity to wrestle. I was the horror show that knew enough to quit before I was banned. I had reasonable skills but would lose my mind when being bested. Not a good trait. Perfect gentleman now
Ref needs to retire yesterday. Worst display of reffing i have ever seen. Reverse racism maybe?...I just don't get it. Looked like it would have been a good match btwn two equally talented wrestlers. Just a shame.
I ref in a different sport, don't know the "rules" of wrestling, but I don't get this ref. No movement from him what so ever. No attempt to find a better angle or move with urgency. This is poor refereeing skill period. If you are ever gonna get into refereeing, which I hope you do cause we need them in all sports, use this video as WHAT NOT TO DO.
That ref needs to retire or figure out where he lost his nuts. There wasnt any eye gouging, punching, or slapping. That's a standard distraction technique. Please dont tell me this sport is gonna get soft like the rest now. I wrestled for 14yrs including college at a D2 school in swpa. Then coaches after college and never saw a ref this soft. The other kid wasnt complaining. What a joke of a call.
this is when as a coach you simply take you team and leave the ref is a clown and you file a protest with the organization. just sad. don't tolerate or put up with this level of incompetence. it is a sport of young people and idiot refs should not be allowed to ruin it. you want to win that bad you can have it. obviously the ref it throwing the match. so take it
Wait... can someone explain what happened? I legit don't see hands to the face or anything. Just normal every match setups and faints. Is this a basketball ref that walked into the wrong gym?
As an objective observer the one kid kept trying to pull his headgear down into his opponents eyes twice. The kid was warned in other matches for doing the same thing
If that was a chic on roids all would be fine. Sports are a waste of time. Youll never wrestle anyone on a discussion, out shoot an idea on the court, or run faster than reality. Use your brain cause your muscle will go to shit one day lol
This ref on that bullshit. Against a kid in a JV match I was just picking him apart because I was varsity. There was a total of like six suplexes and it was like 13 to 2 and all I got in that match was a cation.
I think that was a it's quitting time and this match will be a triple OT and all the other Refs will drink at the bar drinking without me....we can't have that!! Horrible and sad part was the other kid was putting hands tj the face and as long as there are not poking eyes it's all good. I think a protest to never have that red back.
Wtf is this. That young man was doing what you call wrestling. Hand fighting whatever. Nothing at all wrong with anything he did. This ignorant ref shouldn’t be on a mat ever.
Wait does he know what he is signaling? That is is a full Nelson signal which cant really be done from neutral... I don't know what this ref was thinking.
ummmmmmm... What! So one kid gets dq'd for bumping the forehead but the other ones is free to do it; I would have that ref Dq'd that that stupid ass shit.
I've watched it like 5 times and I still cant tell what the reff was calling. I mean what about a hand to the face can possibly be an illegal hold, like clearly wasn't an eye poke or nothing.
WTF was that all about every match he has ever reffed ended up as a disqualification if thats all it takes I saw nothing warranting either penalty stoppages
Bro i do the same shit but the ref doesn't call me out like that not like hard but like to distance my self after if he get close get the collar tie and snap down.
These 2 young men were putting on a nice defensive display when the incompetent Ref inserted himself into the match. Hopefully he isn't reffing anymore
It looks like he had to many hands to the face calls on him so that’s why he got DQ’d
@@treverolson4154 You're allowed to puts hands on an opponents face. He was accusing him of pulling down his headgear. It was a bad call.
@@aaronsakhai no no you can touch the head but there’s an area of the face you cant touch and if you do it to block Vision that’s when you get hit with the call.
@@treverolson4154 Unless your poking someone's eyes, or outright slapping them in the face, there is no penalty. The ref was gesturing to the coach he was pulling down headgear, which he wasn't.
@@treverolson4154 I rewatched the video, you were right, too many head taps, not headgear--- still a dumb call.
I think more to the point... the official doesn't recognize that it is a Technical Violation, and not an Illegal hold. That error leads one to wonder if he's therfore calling the 'Hands to the Face' (or 'raking the face) correctly... Seems like this is a bit of a stretch. But... He called it.
So what is the hand,signal for technical violation as far as I know that is the hand,signal for all illegal activity in the match now for team point violations different,story but that is the only hand,signal in the match itself I have ever seen either way unwarranted in both cases shitty call
The Coach didn’t even fight that what so ever.........😑 that’s disgusting.
A good way to get ejected from the tourney is to argue with a ref this bad.
Refs have the final say and with refs like this fighting their decision only makes it worse
This stupid ref walks around like a zombie. Absolutely terrible call.
Historically one of the worst officials in Pinellas county.
That ref is really bad. He didn't break any rules. not even close.
Nothing like a ref who trys to make himself more involved in the match than the wrestlers themselves
Hmm maybe the ref use to be the head coach. Happened to me once. Ref was a teacher from our school who use to be the head coach. I don’t recall exact details, but the next day at school I recall having words with the teacher/ref. He said something about our coach. Again I don’t recall what was said but it was clear he had an issue with the new coach. After we had words I was sent to the office. The teacher never called our matches again.
I clicked on this video because this guy was a ref for us when I was in hs 15yrs ago. He was at every tournament and a lot of our duals. Is this the East Lake tournament or a quad?
East lake tourney
Why are they wearing helmets? I wrestled in the 1960s and no one wore helmets.
That white kid looked exhausted he should try for cheerleader instead
Wow 😯. Dealing with horse shit refs has become the norm unfortunately
lol coach should file a grievance with the officiating body and have the ref suspended for failure to not only do his job but to know the rules or in this case any rules and not be reinstated till he goes through a certified USA ref clinic.
This ref needs to work the soccer or basketball games.
sam elliot should stick to acting i don’t think officiating is his thing
The thing is that the red probably thought he was poking his eye and was warned for ir
Bruhh i feel bad for the purple guy..
What I would give to have seen ref get blind sided by a parent or coach.
Am I missing something here, what was the reason for the DQ? I didn't see anything here that was deserving of a DQ.
Also I love the red explain it at the end to the coach. He was acting like he was punching the kid in the face and way more than hands to the face which is legal they just don't like eye gauging. At the very and the kid in purple acccidently had a bit of the head gear and it moved slightly while hand IMO. The face but nothing illegal and not intentional at all. Just a very bad ref.
I’ve wrestled when I was younger don’t know why I’m into these videos now tho
I’m so confused and I wrestled for 12 years
What a crock that official is!!
Looks like an NFL official.
the only think i saw that was even moderately close to illegal was hands to the face and neither of them were really doing so. i don’t even remember if that was a new rule in 2017 but i know the rules differentiate in different states and styles. either way the ref sucked.
I don’t know 100% of the rules in the American wrestling organisation because i’m from Sweden , but I couldn’t se anything wrong in this match. Can anyone update me , please?
is the phone wearing headgear or something
Disqualified for WHAT? A stupid referee?
Needs to ref basket ball .What a clown .
Red:*taps head*
Ref: “FULL NELSON 2 POINT GREEN, RED DISQUALIFIED!!”
Spartacus 940 that was a potentially dangerous call not full Nelson
@@officerporter wrong it's an illegal hold. Potentially dangerous is when he puts one arm behind his head. Either way the refs an idiot.
This ref is an idiot either way
@@officerporter potentially dangerous is just one hand behind the head. Two hands behind the head is an illegal move.
Hands to the face possibly
That was some of the worst officiating I've seen. I hope someone presented this to that officials' group or supervisor for review. Nothing I saw was illegal and certain nothing warranting a DQ.
It just looked like wrestling to me too. Don't know what the ref sees that is illegal or warranting a DQ against the kid.
Grabbing headhear was the call....pretty lame.
Someone took off my headgear by pulling on it, the ref didn’t stop wtf
It was the headgear call I've never seen someone DQ for that though I've accidentally pulled kids gear off from head snap I've never seen a DQ from if
Confused i was wanting to see the match still not sure what the call was?
I don't know why I'm obsessed with wrestling videos now, I've never done wrestling in my life
That's good. Wrestling is becoming more popular......I hope
Shrubtheshrub because it is the greatest most raw sport in the world
You’re probably gay
@@brocklee7859 bro 6 days a week 2 hours a day. 90% humidity at 100°. I miss it to be honest. My coach got coach of the year in Michigan
@@bloodtimemaximusfullthrott226 Lol
The ref needs to be reported.
i saw nothing illegal, absolutely nothing
ron glass stalling
HyPe MoOn that's really illegal to do? That's stupid.
His hand got hung on his headgear and MAYBE a stalling call but I don't think so it was mostly the headgear
it was a hands to face too many times
@@harambe1365 its wrestling get over it. It's not that serious to dq someone for it. Jordan Burroughs only gets a warning and that's in the Olympics
What? Disqualification for what? That's crazy!
You can't repeatedly grab people's head
@@Michael89240 i wrestled for 11 years. and i used to bully kids heads.
@@Michael89240 ofcourse you can
@@Michael89240 This is maybe the dumbest thing I've ever seen written in relation to Wrestling. You ABSOLUTELY can "grab people's head." It's about 90 pct of hand fighting.
No, they POORLY called hands to the face...when it was to the forehead...which is legal. You can't get down around the eyes, he wasn't(and the other kid was also doing it and he was doing it legally).
And you also give at LEAST a couple warnings. This ref had some issue with that team or...IDK. Sloppy.
@@Michael89240that’s absolutely not true, even clubbing is allowed most of the time
Kicked the kid out for doing exactly what his opponent did several times.
My brother used to be an assistant wrestling coach at Sickles High School in Tampa from summer 2001-2005 and when he saw this he didn't see any wrongdoing by either wrestler. The ref must have seeing things that never happened.
Positioning poor, attitude poor, disinterested demeanor, rules knowledge poor. I hope this wasn't a post season tourney.
bad ref, bad call, I enjoyed watching these 2 young athletes, it was a good match, you can tell they were both good
As a former wrestler who's competed at the collegiate level. This is one of the worst displays of officiating I've ever seen. The ref must be on drugs.
WTF did he do wrong? I been in wrestling since 1989, since a kid, wrestling to this day and I even coach.... ? I don't get it
It looks like he had to many hands to the face calls on him so that’s why he got DQ’d
@@treverolson4154 but that’s not illegal
@@anbublackhawk1031 it is though. You can’t touch around the eyes to mouth area for 2 reasons. It blocks your opponents vision and you can also have eye pokes
I've been involved with wrestling since ... I've wrestled from Elementary school then 6 years of HS... % years of college.... Officiated, Coached etc... That is the ALL TIME WORST CALL I'VE EVER SEEN. The Ref wanted to Beat his chest and show that he was in charge when in fact his position is to try to help the kids. IF the kid was continually doing something wrong or illegal after being warned he should stop the match and tell the kids and COACHES. Then if it happened again take action... The kid obviously didn't know what was going on.
I love getting a dq for trying to lock up
I had to look at the comments because I thought I missed something.
Ya, wtf was he calling them for? There was nothing dangerous, and no full nelsons
Referees like this need to be removed. That was an absolutely despicable example of refereeing.
The type of ref that actually does need to be yelled at by coaches
Ref was wrong. Wayyyyyy too quick to call and eventually eliminate the purple wrestler. Plus, the final exchange appeared legit. Tough break for that kid. Ref needs some correction.
Ahh yes the classic “I need attention everyone look at me ref”
Makes me miss high school watching these... Wrestling was so fun... Slamming people around . Miss those days
Take some jiujitsu classes man
I wrestled for a lot of years I would've never won a match with this clown officiating.
35 years doing college and high school. I still am trying to see what was the violation. Saw nothing.
WTH😨...it was like the ref said "the hell with this I'm ready to go home." SMH
We related?
That's the worst ref by far! Since when can you not put a hand in an opponent's head?
I just hope they took away this guy’s referee license.
The forehead is fair game.
How this ref doesn’t understand this is beyond me…
Must have been a basketball ref subbing in! lol
Well theres a couple mins of my life I cant get back
So why comment then theres a couple more minutes you won't get back jackass
Then just stop watching, Period!!
I have been involved in the sport of high school wrestling for many years, as a wrestler, as an official, and now as a fan. I do not understand what this referee did. Hands to the face? Perhaps...
I rewatched the video and did see one instance of hands to the face, but my question is this: why did the ref not assess the penalty the moment it happened? Why did he wait until the end of the period to assess the penalty and DQ the wrestler in the blue singlet? From my point of view, he was being the most aggressive wrestler, attempting several single leg takedowns, and his opponent did mostly countering the attacks. I believe this was a poor job of officiating.
What!? I’m so confused was it for stalling I may just be a first year in wrestling but I can see nothing wrong with that match
It was for hands to the face, but that's a completely bs call
Blue had a mean cross face tho
The ref deserves a 10 year prison sentence
How about we start with community service at a wrestling referees academy first...
In demonstrating the call for the coach, the ref used more force than the offending wrestler did. What a joke call.
This has to be a prank
Sadly not I'm on the blue team I was before this match
Ref is trying to go home early everyone gets DQ pr pinned
Seriously? For touching the hair? He wasn't pulling it or anything. He just happened to touch it. This is why kids think this shit is lame.
Horseshit ref! Must have had a beef with the school, coach, or wrestler. I’ve seen it before but this was as bad as it gets. Neither kid looks a challenger for a state champion but imagine if that’s what was on the line
The match was ended because it was boring. This is why I liked watching the heavy weight matches. It was like being on a river boat in Africa watching the hippos slam their jiggly masses against each other to establish dominance.
Abel NInan - The thing about subjective statements is that they are subjective. :)
Cody S. As a heavyweight wrestler. My division is horrible, but entertainment.
Chance Jackson - Exactly
😂😂
It's boring until you get some heavyweights that can move like myself
Regardless, both of these kids were super quick and both were great! great match!
The guy in black and purple singlet needs to drive those shots man he had them he just needed to get off them knees and drive
I have absolutely no clue what the ref was calling there....like really. The ref just reminded me of John Dupont from Foxcatcher. That's all I thought the entire time after the first terrible call.
Literally there was nothing illegal to Warren a disqualification. They were both in the neutral position and while both weren’t really doing that much they were still on occasions going for shots. There was no punches thrown no nothing. The only thing I could say is that they possibly both were stalling but in that sense in the neutral position it’s kind of hard to call that since neither one of them are really doing that much. But even with stalling it doesn’t warrant a disqualification it would just be you get a couple of points if you keep doing it. This has to be the worst officiating I’ve ever seen from a rough. And in my days of wrestling in high school I’ve seen some pretty terrible calls.
This popped up in my feed after watching mma, ufc and boxing videos....
This video, hands down, probably the gayest fucking video I have ever watched in my life.... and I've watched CNN. (Accidentally) smh
In my HS years I never had the intelligence or maturity to wrestle. I was the horror show that knew enough to quit before I was banned. I had reasonable skills but would lose my mind when being bested. Not a good trait. Perfect gentleman now
Ref needs to retire yesterday. Worst display of reffing i have ever seen. Reverse racism maybe?...I just don't get it. Looked like it would have been a good match btwn two equally talented wrestlers. Just a shame.
I ref in a different sport, don't know the "rules" of wrestling, but I don't get this ref. No movement from him what so ever. No attempt to find a better angle or move with urgency. This is poor refereeing skill period. If you are ever gonna get into refereeing, which I hope you do cause we need them in all sports, use this video as WHAT NOT TO DO.
That ref needs to retire or figure out where he lost his nuts. There wasnt any eye gouging, punching, or slapping. That's a standard distraction technique. Please dont tell me this sport is gonna get soft like the rest now. I wrestled for 14yrs including college at a D2 school in swpa. Then coaches after college and never saw a ref this soft. The other kid wasnt complaining. What a joke of a call.
If that was me coaching that ref and I would've had a few words- WHAT was he calling!?
this is when as a coach you simply take you team and leave the ref is a clown and you file a protest with the organization. just sad. don't tolerate or put up with this level of incompetence. it is a sport of young people and idiot refs should not be allowed to ruin it. you want to win that bad you can have it. obviously the ref it throwing the match. so take it
Don't see anything?? They both seem like excellent wrestlers though.
come on dude that was JV wrestling excellent no still learning very much
david florez how do you know is JV?
Wait... can someone explain what happened? I legit don't see hands to the face or anything. Just normal every match setups and faints. Is this a basketball ref that walked into the wrong gym?
What in the world??????????????????
As an objective observer the one kid kept trying to pull his headgear down into his opponents eyes twice. The kid was warned in other matches for doing the same thing
If that was a chic on roids all would be fine. Sports are a waste of time. Youll never wrestle anyone on a discussion, out shoot an idea on the court, or run faster than reality. Use your brain cause your muscle will go to shit one day lol
This ref on that bullshit. Against a kid in a JV match I was just picking him apart because I was varsity. There was a total of like six suplexes and it was like 13 to 2 and all I got in that match was a cation.
Nothing out of the ordinary here to Warrant a disqualification. I was about to hit blue with a caution for being passive.
I think that was a it's quitting time and this match will be a triple OT and all the other Refs will drink at the bar drinking without me....we can't have that!! Horrible and sad part was the other kid was putting hands tj the face and as long as there are not poking eyes it's all good. I think a protest to never have that red back.
I'm trying to understand this whole hand to the face resulting in a DQ.
I Wrestled in the seventies I saw nothing wrong nothing at all maybe they need to re evaluate the referee
Crazy..So disqualify him..Yet the other guy did it numerous times and not one call on him..Pure bullshit..
Wtf is this. That young man was doing what you call wrestling. Hand fighting whatever. Nothing at all wrong with anything he did. This ignorant ref shouldn’t be on a mat ever.
Wow you can’t tap the head now in wrestling you can’t do knee bar in bjj even if your a blue belt or higher? What has become of these sports?
Wait does he know what he is signaling? That is is a full Nelson signal which cant really be done from neutral... I don't know what this ref was thinking.
ummmmmmm... What! So one kid gets dq'd for bumping the forehead but the other ones is free to do it; I would have that ref Dq'd that that stupid ass shit.
I've watched it like 5 times and I still cant tell what the reff was calling. I mean what about a hand to the face can possibly be an illegal hold, like clearly wasn't an eye poke or nothing.
WTF was that all about every match he has ever reffed ended up as a disqualification if thats all it takes I saw nothing warranting either penalty stoppages
Does this referee know the rules. I don’t know why I’m asking that because this video clearly shows he doesn’t
Even the kid who won looked disappointed - he knew that it was bs
Agreed he stole that match from,both of them,
Stupid ref was signaling an illegal move. But the kid was *maybe* too close to the face with his head taps. But that is a pretty lame reason.
If that was for hands to the face, it was ridiculously minor. It is illegal but that was pretty tic tac if that was indeed the call he was making.
Bruh...I don't even wrestle and I know that referee didn't know what he was doing. Definitely no DQ here.
Grabbing and pulling headgear purposefully
big NONO especially repeated.
Ref needs more than just glasses, I hope he gets fired because he has no place officiating
Who is this guy. Where do these kids wrestle
Christian Pena, npr Florida. It was a bs match
Bro i do the same shit but the ref doesn't call me out like that not like hard but like to distance my self after if he get close get the collar tie and snap down.