Standard Car Industry behavior we've come to expect: Make the manual impossible to find with no features people want, and then cancel it citing "no customer interest" Yup
Also its just dumb on Subaru's part. Full spec MFP was available in pre facelift Crosstrek in Canada 1st generation in europe with 6-speed. They just accidentally play into this stupid notion fucking Mercedes started by making manuals look like they are for the poor. Worst thing is that for some reason they dont offer manual in Europe at all for XV/Crosstrek ever since 2nd gen came out in 2018
This is actually on purpose, with a lot of good reasons. 1) CVTs get better fuel economy and governments around the world are putting huge pressure on fleet economy. 2) Manuals are cheap to produce, and on a base barebones model (sometimes without even air-conditioner) it allows them to advertise in magazines and radio and TV that the vehicle "Starts at $X MSRP!" even though the "real" vehicle that people will buy has lots of upcharges. 3) The enthusiast community is very loud, and throwing them a bone w/ manual will shut some of them up. So ultimately you just want to produce a handful of manuals and at as low a price as possible.
@Pinky What we should do, as a society, is remove the laws that require manufacturers to even support the dealership system. Direct sales make far more sense in 2021 in the information age. Vendors like Carvana have shown its a VERY low overhead operation, and especially on a new car it makes sense that it could go straight from the factory to your door, exactly as you ordered it. You would save a fortune cutting out the middle-man and hassle that involves for lower fixed pricing, and not worry that your car was sitting in the sun and hail and who knows what else for months, washed by some random mexican guy off the street with a dirty towel that scratched it up, or taken on a bunch of test drives. Then you wouldn't have to worry about what is in stock, as you'd be ordering a car like you do anything else from Amazon.
@Nathan Greer No, you're way off on that. the problem is manual transmission buyers are the same ones that would also be considered extremely frugal. People who actually buy manuals are almost NEVER the ones to pay alot of money for a car. I've seen it time and time again, auto makers offer a really cool car with a manual, and NO ONE buys it. The manual transmission buyers bitch about how they won't be able to buy said car 10 years later for a 1/4 of the price, but the sales figures don't lie. People people who say they love manuals don't actually buy the cars new with lots of options. From the auto makers perspective, it doesn't make fiscal sense. I could ask YOU, Nathan, what you actually drive. I can also say with almost 100% certainty it isn't a kitted out new car with lots of options, its probably something 10-15 years old. THATS the problem.
Not just Subaru, I sold Jeeps back in '17-18 and manual Wranglers never lasted more than a few days. Used manual wranglers never lasted more than a few hours. We BEGGED them to order more manual Wranglers to sell, but the GM adamantly refused. There is absolutely and unquestionably more demand in manual transmission utility vehicles than what the sales figures show.
Yes, it's incredibly annoying, I know that with some brands and cars, manuals won't be as popular but it seems like no manufacturer in the US gives them a chance anymore. My guess is that it is more profitable for them to just make one transmission so they are trying to phase them out. That's just speculation though, I have no facts to back me up.
Your right I'm a Subaru Technician manual trans. Less maintenance and cheap to fix so they can't make profit with that rather than AT trans. More complexity, Specially when they break but still not too bad. it depends with the users but when it comes to safety CVT is a clear winner coz you have a eyesight 😁
@@Realistick actual reason is mpg. Automatics are sophisticated they now get better fuel economy than manual trannys. Since automakers keep getting squeezed for more fuel efficient vehicles, thats the reason theyre getting rid of them
@@anormalhickgamer5782 This is partially true, I talk about this in my Tacoma manual video, but the reason that the pr people tell you is related to sales. The gas mileage is why they try to limit the production, and then they quote sales as the reason.
I completely agree for myself too. I do know of a lot of people that do like the safety features though so subie could expand sales that way. Push button start is kind of nice but the accompanying proximity key unlock is something I'd definitely want in my crosstrek if I were to get one!
@@Realistick Also the only reason the CVT models have X mode is because they have a slightly different awd system. When the cvt's came out they couldn't handle the stress of the Subaru all wheel drive. The car's would reduce power to save the transmission and customers didn't like it so they put a selectable x mode so it would act like a normal Subaru for short periods of time. The manual doesn't need X mode. Less features means less to go wrong. I think a base model crosstrek with a manual is as close to a perfect car as one could get. Good review 👍
Agreed... I feel a lot of recent increased accidents on the road is due to passive system. Passive systems are reactive rather than proactive, there will always be a lag time.
I agree, hopefully they just get rid of the 2.0 and hopefully they retain the 6 spd option when they do. Although, I've heard that small turbo engines will replace both engines in the next redesign.
@@bobraible Yes, the manual transmission can handle the torque of the 2.5 liter engine as it was previously available in the Forester with that engine, and as he says in the video this transmission is also used in the WRX. I don't understand why Subaru didn't make the 2.5 liter engine standard across all Crosstrek trim levels. The 2.0 liter engine is sufficient for the Impreza, but the greater rotational inertia that comes with the Crosstrek's bigger wheels and tires really demands more torque for adequate acceleration.
I picked up the base model manual. I wanted a daily to take me offroad when needed, handle snow and was affordable. The crosstrek ticked all these boxes. I didn't expect how much fun it would be. It has a fun rally car feel and the manual is a real blessing to gear down in slushy conditions. I'm pleasantly surprised. I do agree with you that it'd be nice to have more options. I'd like the 2.5l engine, fog lights and push button but I also like the simplicity of this model.
In Canada, you can get the Crosstrek with a manual on all trims but the top "Limited" and "Outdoor" trims. The manual seems to be fairly popular at least in my area, I'd guess it has a take-rate of around 20%-25% but I'm not entirely sure on that. However, there's no doubt in my mind that if they offered it with the 2.5 litre engine they would have an even higher take-rate. It just seems like Subaru is trying to discourage people from buying them when there clearly is a market.
they're trying to push their eyesight which doesn't work with manual transmission (or they couldn't be bother to make it work with manual because profit reason obviously)
The lack of features because it's a manual makes it perfect!!! Less nonsense to break and us adults know how to drive without "driver aid " Bit#ch switches.
For some, yes. Personally, that isn't a deciding factor for me, but I'd definitely want the bigger engine or at least push button start, something that makes the car feel more new. I'd still buy it as is but I could see why that could turn some folks away too yk?
I have gotten so used to push button and keyless door entry (since my 2008 BMW 135i) that I find it really annoying to get a key out of my pocket. I know it sounds lazy but once you’re used to it it’s hard to go back.
Agreed. Driver aid is for my retirement Buick driving days. Subaru Manual have that awesome brake lock when you are stopped on a hill and can't roll back. Fun note my manual trans in Australia started without pushing the clutch, thought my engine was fudged. But turns out its a basic feature in manual trans abroad.
Great review! Two things I've experienced with my Crosstrek 6 speed manual: After the first 14,000 miles the shifting became buttery smooth and lost virtually all notchy feel it had when new. I have always well exceeded the EPA ratings, about 23-25 mpg in town, and 30-34 on the road, and 36 mpg setting the cruise control at 60-65 mph. A sunroof was a must, and after much research, I had a Webasto installed. You would never know it didn't come from the factory. Keep up the good work!
Just test drove a 2021 6 speed manual and it was in fact very notchy. Glad to hear it gets smoother over time. What do you think about the gear ratios?
@@MaidenBklyn The gear ratios are close to ideal for your average vehicle in my opinion. First gear could be more aggressive to make it easier to launch but it's alright for regular driving. Some people say it has too tall of gearing, but I think people tend to think that about every car that isn't super aggressive. The issue more or less derives from the 2.0 liter engine's lack of torque. Shorter ratios would make it more responsive but less efficient and probably slower in some regards as you already have to shift twice to get to 60 already. In other words, the ratios didn't ever get on my nerves, the lack of torque did!
I lucked out when I bought mine. They had one and it was off in a corner because no one wanted a manual. It was a plain Jane model and it was exactly what I needed. I’ve had it for 3 months and I couldn’t be happier.
@@nynv94ANY car is fine for everything. People need to get away from thinking they need a lot of power to drive safely without holding others up. Merging onto motorways ? Anticipate other road users, rule 259 of the highway code, on you go. No problem.
@@oddities-whatnotI now have a '23 premium 6MT. It's absolutely fine merging, commuting, highway, everyday driving etc. Is it slow? YES! haha but what can be expected from a Crosstrek. It does its overall job fine. 👍
I can say that you're right. If they offered the manual with more options than it would help. If they made it more available it would help. The manual is their only one that should have gotten the sport. Comparing my ladies Crosstrek to mine but hers is CVT to my manual both premium. You might as well just call mine a base model. The digitals dash is base, it just shares stitching and heated seats and fogs. The price difference is a rip off also. But I chose to get it anyways cause the manual is so worth it. I'm not a drone and will drive a manual untill they force me to stop.
Excellent review - everything mentioned is spot on. 2 years ago, I ordered my '19 6MT that I waited 4 months to get. Was OK with the wait because the transfer case is incredible. The only option that I was disappointed not being offered was the sunroof, but after receiving the car, I really didn't care. It's a real tough little bulldog that sees plenty of offroad and city gnarliness. There's only one body panel that isn't damaged. It's good that some tire companies are coming out with real A/T treads for the Crosstrek stock tire size, as they significantly improve obstacle grip without sacrificing handling and noise. So anyone out there thinking about it - don't hesitate - order it and wait because you never know when they're going to discontinue it....
In my personal experience, I am always beating the EPA mpg for my manual transmission, especially on the highway. I think those figures are possibly bogus and just make the CVT look more fuel efficient than it really is!
You are 100% correct. Any time I've seen people complain about cars not meeting the EPA rating, the car was an automatic. I had a corolla with an automatic and it got horrendous highway mileage because it didn't know how to deal with hills. With the cruise control on and set to the speed limit, it would downshift to second gear and rev the shit out of the engine when going up a slight hill.
Yes but automatics are more fuel efficient... However, toying with gear ratios can make manual absurdly fuel efficient. Example is my old f250 with 5.8 engine. If I am not in overdrive, I suck through gas. Once in overdrive (the ratios for zf5 is 0.84 I believe) I use minimal fuel and can stretch the fuel out to ~ 260 miles (that is with a 14 gallon tank). Automatics are optimized, manuals are driver dependent.
I learned how to drive on my moms 2023 blue manual Crosstrek, ive fallen in love with the car as I drive it wayyy more than anyone else in the family, and I know how to heel toe downshift the car now, I drive it on a touge road every day and I feel like im fully in tune with the car
@@countryacademy9053 Because fuel economy depends so much on driving style, its best to go to fuelly and look up the average fuel economy posted by thousands of drivers and averaged. Right now it shows the crosstrek averages 26mpg pre-refresh and 27mpg post-refresh.
@@BoopSnoot in town im 26mpg average. Took a 2100 mile road trip and averaged 31mpg doing 80. I didn't buy a standard for economy. Cvt transmission have yet to impress me for longevity. I personally am a gear head lol
I agree about menufacturers being at fault for manuals selling less. They constantly make it look like transmisssion for the poor, starting with luxury manufacturers eliminating them entirely like Mercedes. Combined with limiting options for no apparent reason on manuals it makes it even more so. Its so bad that even in europe manuals start to vanish from dosens of models and Subaru doesnt offer a manual at all there even tho majority of people drive stick there. Its just absurd. The 6-speed you have in 2nd gen Crosstrek was in 1st gen one in Europe and they just refuse to offer it for 2nd gen. I guess its because Subarus arent as popular in europe but still....its very bad decision on Subaru's part. I still love that they still preserve true awd manual on some of their models for so long when everyone else offers fake awd(ie FWD with emergency engagement of rear) or doesnt offer a manual at all, but they could do so much more.
Thanks for giving some love to the 6MT. I ordered my 2020 Premium Crosstrek and waited about two months but it was worth it. Ever since the rumors of the 2.5L and now its reality, I've been screaming for a 6MT mated to it but it's never going to happen. In fact, I'm convinced there will be no more manual Crosstreks after the next redesign (2023?). I like everything about the manual except for the excessive rev hang. Like one of your commenters already said, it's due to emissions control - at least that what I've read. I have 10,500 miles on mine. I just finished driving it from MN to AZ where I achieved 32 MPG for the entire trip (manually calculated as the gauge in the car tends to be "optimistic").
Thanks for the feedback, yeah I have my doubts too. I wish they would let the manual thrive more so they could justify its existence in the next gen. I too feel like it will probably die out when Subaru switches to turbo engines (planned for next gen I believe).
@@Realistick specially sad when you imagine the potential of a manual paired with a boxer Turbo engine and symmetrical AWD... Subaru please don't let the dream die!!!
@@victorteran9766 Manuals paired with Turbo Charged boxers and their AWD have been around for 20+ years lol Don't need to imagine the potential, go drive any WRX or STI from 2001 and newer
@@Algorithm. sure about that, I am just not very fond of sedans or cars without proper ground clearance for light trailing or off-roading. So thats why my perfect package would be everything you mention, ON a Crosstrek, not a sedan or hatchback plataform.
Awesome review, thanks for taking the time to do this one. My 6mt base model crosstrek is supposed to arrive at the end of November and it feels like I've been waiting an eternity. Can't wait!
@@anormalhickgamer5782 I love mine, real comfortable to me. Haven't been stuck yet and I've been in some deep stuff with it even pulling a small pop up camper. Hard to beat 26+ mpg while towing + awd all the time.
I agree with you about availability. While I understand the lack of eyesight (hard to safely stop a car when it will still), there is no excuse for the lack of moonroof and lane assist. They just bundle those with the eyesight system. I have a 2018 Manual Crosstrek. When I first asked about at the dealer, she asked me why I would want one! I wound up special ordering it from japan. It took over a month to get it, but I had every feature hand-picked and I saved money. One other feature of the manual I should point out is that it performs better off-road than the cvt. The engine will automatically throttle down when under stress in order to prevent belt slipping on the cvt. With the manual, you can just keep it in alow gear. And those high revs will take care of the rest.
Yep had the same issue. Luckily the dealership I went to had one of my acceptable colors on their next shipment. However I drove the new honda civic manual and it did have eyesight. Apparently it will auto engage the clutch for you when it has to slow down... I didn't test it so I'm not sure how it re-engages or if you have to manually do it. but it was interesting.
@@theinformationage No. Those were still only packaged with the Eyesight system. Even special ordering would not get those. In America at least. The Canadian Sport package would let you get the Moonroof. Almost considered it, but the import fees and taxes exceeded my budget.
I just ordered a manual yesterday. They said to give it about 8-12 weeks bc of the pandemic. I just want a sunroof- that is neither bell nor whistle. A pretty basic ask, especially for a brand that tries to appeal to the outdoorsy population. Am I right?
I have a manual its just pure fun and I have total control more than any automatic I have driven, I can come to a corner drop down and not brake go down a mountain see everyone else constantly braking me just drop down a gear coast, It accelerates away before most folks have even engaged their brains to lift foot off brake transfer to gas UGH !!!.. It honestly isn't underpowered like folks seem to suggested and I used to drive a auto v8 5.7lt truck...
Love this Subaru, you can take it anywhere and has good overall features. It would be awesome to have the 2.5 Lt engine with manual transmission or a Turbo with a manual...still solid yet underrated little Suv.
This is the most insightful review I've seen of the latest manual trans Crosstrek. I appreciate the details about its shifter-feel and clutch being "light, but not feather-weight." I, too, was suspicious of the low EPA fuel economy numbers for the manual, and am glad to see your more-realistic numbers ("30.8 mpg avg" on the gauge). There is a "save the manuals" sentiment among enthusiasts, but a poorly-engineered manual system (throttle + clutch + shift linkage) can be a daily annoyance to live with - much worse than a well-designed, modern automatic. 'Glad to see the manual brake lever, as well!
I just ordered a manual yesterday and they said 8 weeks but maybe longer bc of the pandemic. I just want a sunroof- that is neither bell nor whistle. A pretty basic ask, especially for a brand that tries to appeal to the outdoorsy population.
I definitely think offering a manual transmission without all the extra stuff is a good thing. What if someone 'Dosent want ' all those extra features? Someone like myself who just likes manual transmission in Australia and would want just a good car. Awd, yep, airbags, yep, air-conditioning, pwr steering, yep. I don't need blind spot monitoring, eyesight or a sunroof and all that other stuff. Halogen lights are ok, if I can see the road, great. Well done Subaru for offering a basic option.
Hopefully Subaru sees the demand here and responds at some point but who knows with automakers cutting costs lately. Congratulations, even without the extra features, these are an awesome buy!
Thanks for making this video and hopping into a m/t before someone snagged it off the lot to give us some real world driving impressions. I was worried it would have that budget car spongy feel to it but your mention of it being a little notchy is a good sign. This appears to be the last hold out for m/t within the segment and reading the comments below it sounds like I should place my order soon before they drop the option entirely.
As many have said before, had to order one to get manual trans , 6 more days to delivery. Would not drive anything else in Montana. Really like the control descending mountain passes and driving in winter conditions. This will be the 4th or 5th Suby with man. trans.. Paired with snow or studded tires, these are great for winter, forest roads to trailheads and in town snow days (city doesn't plow). Major point for me, THEY LAST FOREVER. I have 250,000 on an 06' Impreza and it still runs like a top and not super afraid to get it dirty or dinged up. Bought a 78' Suby wagon in 97' for $50 U.S., with an odometer that stopped at around 250,000 and made 100% profit on resale. That thing was unstoppable!
I agree wholeheartedly with your review! I was lucky to get my hands on one back in February and I love it for all the reasons you mentioned. It does feel like it has a soul and I’m in love with it. I’m okay without all the techy options but I do wish I had a sunroof. For some reason sunroofs and manual transmissions (in my humble opinion) go together like peanut butter and jelly 😁 but all in all it’s my favorite car I’ve ever owned
Great review! I wish they made the Sport version with the manual transmission. I think the 2.5 L engine with the manual would be a sweet driving crossover. Maybe Subaru will listen one of these days.
I Iike the options with the 6MT or lack thereof. I’m a little hesitant on missing out on x-mode though. I’d like to hear from owners who have had the manual off road in snow/muddy conditions.
I think you got this backwards. They put Xmode on the CVT to compensate for the lack of response you get compared to manual transmission. In essence Xmode is a crappy “manual transmission simulator”, even if you have to pay a lot more for it. Also, check the reviews for down-the-road problems with CVT. For us, it was manual transmission or no Subaru.
@@Petrvsco thanks. I’ve always preferred the manuals because I prefer the driving experience overall, but x-mode is really a piece of software that allows Subaru to simulate the very best off-roaders in low traction environments (think 4runners and co) by tapping into all of the vehicle ‘s engine, traction and braking systems. It started as a so-so simulation for v1 of X-Mode but the latest version is really neat. Still not convinced I want to give up the manuals for it and pay thousands more though. I agree reliability of these complex systems is always a concern.
I've been watching your videos for awhile now and never knew you were in Bloomington, Everywhere you went i kept thinking it looked familiar. My wife and son went to IU. Iove your reviews, keep it up
2:20 Good, Subaru understands its consumers. If Im buying a manual, its because I want to do the driving. Im glad it doesn't come with all that extra stuff, its just an annoying distraction anyway lol
I agree with you! The people who want a sometimes off-road vehicle would rather have a manual but I think Subaru is starting to get a little too big for it’s own good and telling people by there actions “take it or leave it”. So people will start to do just that!
I picked up one of the last 2023 manual crosstrek's and my girlfriend loves it! good space, enough features, great feeling drive. I'm so sad to see these things go.
I ordered a 2022 Crosstrek with the manual. I found it to be very disappointing that my options were limited. I don't know about anyone else but I would be willing to pay for a manual transmission if it were offered in the other trim levels or even other models. I told the dealership that if they offered a manual as an option, I would be willing to spend more money on an Outback or even the new Ascent.
Waited 3 months fort my manual 2020. Takes getting used to. Needs more Torque not as much hp. Both world be nice though leaning in the torque side. So what did I do? Lifted, tires wheels FA24 install soon. Winch bumper etc. This is the only chance we will get a wrx hatch again so I made one.... um that's lifted and off-road leaning. My lady has the 20 CVT. It's nice but lazy. I prefer the manual.
Bloomington, IN cool! I'm an IU grad living in Maine. Seriously looking into a stick Crosstrek and have been hanging on to my manual Vibe because I don't want to drive an Automatic. I have over 200,000 miles on it, and I would keep on driving it if it wasn't rusting out. Seems like my only choice for an SUV with a stick is a Crosstrek, but I've never owned a Subaru. Little gun shy making the switch. Wasn't liking that the gas mileage was worse than the Auto but your assurance makes me feel a bit better. Thanks for your video.
Yes, I wish I could tell you there was another similar option. The good news is that this is at least a very solid choice. Subaru's have great resale and have seemingly fixed their oil consumption problems from before 2015. I still am not 100 percent sold on their longevity but with phenomenal resale and a manual, I think the crosstrek is a smart buy. If you’re okay with a smaller car, I personally found the new Subaru Impreza to feel a bit more old school in a good way when it came to the clutch and shifter feel, it also has the same cargo and interior dimensions of the Crosstrek and AWD of course. You can also push button start and the better 8 inch touch screen in the impreza sport MT! Maybe check that out too (I'm posting a video on the MT model this month actually). Best of luck!
Happy to see that this 2021 Premium Crosstrek with Foglights *Does NOT* have: Push button Start (easier to steal); Sunroof(Hail will wreck the glass and it eventually leaks); No Eyesight =Less Inadvertant Braking! And Happy that this Crosstrek has an Actual manual HandBrake- Not Electric (when the batteries die, the Electric Brake will "seize the brakes", cant release, and you cant bump start the car!!).
I will always want a stick over an automatic......every time. I have a 2013 crosstrek. Manual transmission, and it kicks ass. Subaru cvt isn't as good as some of the competition, but the manual is really good.
The few other reviews I've seen for the manual Crosstrek criticized the gearing of the transmission which creates gaps in the rev range and doesn't effectively use the narrow power band of the 2.0 liter engine, which is mostly masked by the CVT. They also mention that the shift feel is horrendously bad! Would appreciate your take on that, thanks.
The gearing is average, they might feel that the ratios are tall but in reality, the car just doesn'thave torque. I had to shift twice before 60 so I would not call it poorly spaced. The car just doesn't have the torque to pull hard in the lower ranges. It's not a sports car so you can't really expect it to blast through the gears. If I was comparing it to my old SI or something then I would say something like that. But if you drive a new Hyundai or Nissan with a stick, I think this has better feel. It's all about what you compare it to (which is why I said if you compare it to your old Honda or Mazda, it isn't as pure or fun). It's good for what it is and on par with the new corolla!
The biggest reason why these manufacturers stop selling manuals is because it messes with their overall MPG/EPA rating. Companies like GM and Ford keep discontinuing manuals for that very reason. It's going to suck the day companies like Subaru or Toyota follow that in the United States. Just wish Subaru would give their manuals more love. I bought my wife a Crosstrek before upgrading her to a 2020 Forester and I loved that little car. Easy as heck to work on, gave me no problems, great gas mileage and even could have a little light off-road fun. Heck, I might just buy one for myself as my daily when I don't want to drive my modified WRX.
That's definitely true, I wish I knew more about that when I made this video, I asked around with sales managers on their reasonings and finally, the Toyota sales manager for a dealer where I sourced a tacoma MT told me pretty much the same thing (I made a video on that a few months after this one). The more they make, the more it hurts their epa rating :(
It’s a real shame. Standard transmissions are easy to work on and maintain. CVTs are prone to problems and expensive to maintain. I drove a Sport yesterday. The paddle shifter was weird and it drove fine but I just don’t know. I also don’t care about the eyesight system because I pay attention when I drive and don’t need it or it’s cost if it breaks or I need a new windshield.
I got one of the last 2023 manuals to enter Canada last year, it was 2.5K Canadian cheaper, and I appreciate the bare bones. For a base it is still pretty loaded compared to other companies, but yes has to get white, no other option.
great review, in Canada we can still get a manual with a sunroof on our sport trim level which is what i am going to look into in the spring of 2021 and our price is $28,795 CDN converts to about $24,400 USD thats before any dealer, freight,PDI, or taxes & insurance, the high idle you talk about has been a thing with the 2.0 4 cylinder as part of the warm up , my niece has 2010 forester 2.5 that is the same and an older Impresza 2.0 2012 thats the same, 👍
@@Realistick ii would also buy it in a second if it was available , even if i have to order it and i already know how much i can buy it forehand will probably go for the 1 option package below that the Touring package which saves me $2600
My pops had one of the last forester manuals with the same 6 speed. A good driver will surpass the mpgs regularly. Most people buy this car for the regular driving stuff. Option it with the auto dimming mirror so your eyes don't melt at night and maybe a couple other add ons
just ordered a manual yesterday. They said to give it about 8-12 weeks bc of the pandemic. I just want a sunroof- that is neither bell nor whistle. A pretty basic ask, especially for a brand that tries to appeal to the outdoorsy population. Am I right?
Just special ordered one with a manual in Plasma Yellow. I'm so excited! I actually like the lack of options. I'm not a fan of sun roofs, I don't want the eyesight system, I like having an actual key to start the car, I don't need power seats, etc. Just wanted a couple utility things like the engine block heater, all weather floor mats, rear seat back protector, etc. Throw in a leather shift knob and I'm good to go. It's going to be a painful wait till April, haha.
Congrats, and I like that they do have that available too, it allows you to spec a cheap one unlike the new tacoma or mazda3 mt where it's only higher trims and costs a ton
Yeah, it's really unfortunate, I addressed that toward the end of the video. I feel like there is a bigger demand than what Subaru allocates to dealers.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one! I just purchased one this past weekend and I've noticed that transitioning from initial roll off to second gear is notably rough :/
Don’t need the sunroof but I would want the choice of getting the manual in the 2.5 and upgraded interior off the Sport including the push button start. I’m just not a fan of the CVT.
I had to wait 6 months before the local dealer had a manual... they got a few of them in just a few weeks ago, and by the time I got there for a test drive, all they had was one Base trim. I was hoping to get a Premium for the heated seats, and someone else snapped up the Base within a day or two after my test drive. The demand is definitely there. @Realistick What are your thoughts between this and the Tacoma? I want to occasionally pull a utility trailer but also want a good daily driver that I can keep 15 years or more.
The Tacoma is much more expensive but it could be argued that it would hold up better in the long term due to Toyota's better reputation. I would recommend the Crosstrek as it is much more civilized for a daily driver if you don't really need the truck capabilities or the added safety and tech features of the taco. The gas savings will also really help but you can't go wrong with either. Both have great resale, predicted reliability, and are offered with a manual and modern tech!
Thx for the vid. Just bought one with the sport trim and manual trans. Waiting time for my order. 6 months and you just made me feel that is worth the while cause damn it's long. Cool, cause I'm getting all those nice options you say that they don't come with cause it's the sport trim I'm getting. Cheers.
@@Realistick Stupid question. How much trouble does it represent to import for you folks ? Versus me trying to export witch I won't but just for the value and comparaison of differences in trading. Is it possible ?
@@jfnoevilI can't say that i know. I don't think it is crazy difficult if it is from Canada to the US. I see Canada cars here on occasion but I assume there would be some process. Especially if you have an engine/transmission combo that's not offered with that car in the US. As some counties have emissions testing.
I am searching for the Crosstrek 6MT and there's none available in a 150mile radius of where I am. They say manuals don't sell, but if they don't have them available, then how can they sell them ? Pity.
Exactly! It's annoying, one dealer I talked to said toyota refuses to allocate more manual tacomas because they get worse gas mileage and it hurts their overall ratings with the EPA, I would assume it is the same with Subaru too.
Interesting that standard transmission sell quickly. Subaru customers may be different/unique as are the vehicles, and this might be the niche to have more manuals. What worries me in a long trip, if the other driver(s), don't drive a stick shift, then I would have to do all the driving; I have not owned a stick shift for years, and it would be fun to drive one again.
I've definitely been on the receiving end of that one, I drove from Indiana to California like that. It wasn't as bad as I was anticipating if I am being honest. I am also insane, but if you're wanting to buy another manual car at some point, your time to get a manual AWD is running short!
I agree 100%. I want all of my creature comforts and a manual transmission. I had a Buick Encore and it would have been the perfect car for a manual transmission.
Someone at some point commented that they had one put in on the aftermarket, maybe look into that! Seems like that would be expensive but if you really wanted one, maybe it's worth it?!
Me too, I'm looking at ordering a 2021 Premium with the manual, and plan on having the Webasto sunroof installed -- recommend by the dealer, and comes with warranty, about $1,500 to install.
Thanks for this! I currently have an '08 Outback MT, very close to rolling 200K on it. Starting to think about making a change to a newer vehicle. I had been somewhat resigned that I'd have to go AT on my next vehicle. If I do go AT, it will NOT be a Subaru--not interested in the CVT. But I think I'd really miss driving an MT, and so have been entertaining the idea of the Crosstrek in the MT. It would be my 4th Subaru if I get a Crosstrek. Hear that Subaru?--if AT, not Subaru, if MT, very possibly / likely Subaru. I agree there is more demand out there for MT's than manufaturers want to accomodate. I think it comes down to not wanting to have diversity in their offerings and manufacturing flow. Also I think there is an argument being put forward (perhaps for the above reason) that CVT's are more efficient, but I've seen quite a few MT drivers out there who report they beat the published EPA's of the AT / CVT's, and that the AT's / CVT's do not perform to the reported EPA's. Makes me think there may be some funny business in the data being put forward...just a thought..
Thank you for watching, I definitely understand avoiding the CVT. They rate them very conservatively for the epa for a reason I can't quite understand. But a big reason why they don't meet the demand for them is also because the more they produce, the more it brings down their epa numbers for the brand. And they can receive penalties for that. I didn't know too much about that until the next new car manual trans review. It's definitely an unfortunate situation so I would get one while you can!
hello mate! I saw your vid when it just came out, and loved it! my question is, I am (finally!) about to get my Crosstrek, 2021 and have the option to get it with a MT, but a friend of mine has one and tells me it is way harder to live with than the CVT, which is more confortable and just as capable off-road. What are your thoughts? I love driving stick but if the auto is better off-road then I could make the trade!
I think if you like driving manuals. Get the manual! You can manage it offroad with the manual handbrake and it's going to be a ton more engaging than the CVT on a day to day basis. I don't hate cvts and would recommend it to people that aren't enthusiasts or do not care about driver engagement but the manual here is pretty approachable and breathes life into the Crosstrek.
@@Realistick thank you soo much for your quick reply Tyler! so manual it is, I will let you know how that goes, and congratulations on your channel again!
@@Realistick hey man! just to let you know, I already got my manual last week, color white, and loving it already! thanks again and keep up the good work! 😁
I really appreciate you posting this review. I've only ever had manual transmissions before and as I'm starting to look at new cars I don't want to give that up but it's *impossible* to find a stick shift to test drive and understand what I'd actually be getting. It's frustrating because I feel like the stick shift Crosstrek would probably be a great choice but it's hard to just go for it sigh unseen when it's paired with the weaker engine.
Thanks, that's exactly why I try to do one when I can. I understand that frustration. It is slow but it's something I think that most people can live with if they are coming from a previous non-turbo or 3.6 Subaru. If you haven't already, I'd go and test drive a used auto crosstrek (make sure it isn't the 2.5), or just test drive a used, manual crosstrek and then try to place an order on one if you like it. If you're used to a manual, I think you will have no regrets on the crosstrek, but the power level can be insufficient for some.
@@Realistick So I found a used 2021 manual to try and I enjoyed it! I could see how it might be sluggish if it were loaded down with camping gear but, coming from the lower end sedan I’ve normally driven, i didn’t have any complaints…aside from the dealership asking for about $3k surcharge over a brand new one.
@@seant2347 awesome! Yeah, it sucks but I used to buy cars for another dealer in town and literally almost all Subarus that are within a few model years of new sell for msrp (sometimes over) AT AUCTION, then the dealer has to recondition little stuff usually and try to sell at a profit and you get stuff like that. The Subaru dealer I work with sells new at msrp but has to sell used over msrp due to that. Even trade in values are absurd!
I currently drive a 5 speed manuel Fiat 500 Pop. I have been looking into getting 4 wheel drive vehicle and started looking at options with manuel. I personally don't like all the computer type of features in cars these days. I don't need all that stuff. It's becoming more difficult to find vehicles without all this stuff. They are making it harder to fix your own vehicle with all the computers. Thanks for your information.
I do like the fact that REVERSE is down and right. I just bought an Elantra GT and after 40 years of driving a 5-speed, I'm having a heck of a time getting used to it being up and left. Just isn't intuitive and is difficult to alternate forward and backward quickly.
I 100% agree with the lamenting loss of manual transmissions, and believe It's less trim feature options, which are pushing people away from them, vs simply not wanting a manual. I purchased my first vehicle 4yrs ago: a 2012 Toyota Matrix XRS. When I was looking for the vehicle, I was insistent on it being a matrix with a manual transmission. My dealer rep had several slushbucket matrix's he kept trying to put me in, but I was insistent, on the manual. When be pushed me on why, I kept arguing it was being you have better traction control, but in reality, it's because I liked how I felt driving stick. I held out, and got my dream car: manual with a sunroof! I grew tired of stick maneuvering, after about 3mths, as I live, work and commute in the city, and shifting got old quick. I offhandedly said my next vehicle would be a slushbucket. Then winter hit: I came upon an icy patch of a rounded hill, at regular speed. I knew I was going too fast to maintain control, and I also knew if I hit my brakes, I'd spin out. So I downshifted into 2nd: tranny and engine were angry, but we all stayed out of the willywacks. It was that moment which I promised myself I'd only ever buy manual transmission, again. As much as I love my Matrix mobile, he's not awesome, in icy conditions. I live on the east coast of Canada, where ice happens a lot. Every winter, I've been stuck in the lot of my property, that floods terribly, and every winter, I lament not having AWD, and get the itch to trade him in for an AWD. When I started looking at options, for AWD and manual, I realized how limited my choices would suddenly be, especially when I consider features. I got super spoiled with my first car purchase, as it featured nearly everything I wanted, in a vehicle of it's time: manual, hatchbatch, sunroof, reliability, strong resale value (book value on this bad boy, is still the $9900 I paid for him). I quickly realized I'd be compromising my sunroof and hatch, for most options. But then I discovered Subi still makes a manual transmission. I was nearly set, on the Impreza, as it featured everything I wanted: sunroof, hatchback, manual transmission, reliability, strong resale value, but was put off he only came in 5spd. If I wanted a 6spd, I'd have to go with an STI or WRX, both of which were far more expensive, way too much torque (not looking to be fast & the furious here) and no hatchback. A friend told me Crosstrek, and older Forrester both come in manual, which had me like whoa. My cousin just purchased the Crosstrek in manual, and loves hers. My mom, who has only driven manual transmission herself, until her 2010 Toyota Rav purchase, will be looking to trade him in soon, and is looking hard at Subi, because they offer AWD with the manual, which she misses. We are a strong Toyota family here, and the lack of manual options, and features, with that brand, are what's driving us to consider other brands.
Yes, it's unfortunate that Subaru is just about the last one to make a manual with awd. I recently reviewed the Toyota Tacoma 6-Speed Manual and the dealer there told me something else about why they aren't fulfilling the full demand of manuals in the US: emissions. The EPA usually rates mt models very conservatively so the manufacturer usually decides to axe the manual or make them available in limited forms and refuses to allocate many. The more mt models, the worse their environmental numbers look, and with steeper and steeper regulations, all inneffiencies will be cut sooner or later until everything is electric. I personally want to buy a new vehicle with a manual transmission before that happens, because it's looking like electric will take over everything by the end of the decade and I don't see manuals making it past that.
They should put the manual on the 2.5 engine. You are right about the lack of availability driving down the take rate. I recently tried a manual Kia Soul. Rubber shifting. Rubber in molasses, actually.
The number one problem is the instant gratification that is expected in the United States. For example, in Japan buyers go online and build their car, submit their build and get the car in a reasonable time period. If we had this mentality in the US and if Manufacturers offered this type of purchasing process, I know more people would build manual transmission cars with a significant amount of upgrades. I love the idea of the manual Crosstrek in a Limited package.
Why does the engine idle so high and for so long? I've noticed that on several cross trecks and it seems like there is something wrong with the way it's set up. Also with the manual transmission you get a viscous clutch in 50 50 power distribution which really gives a better driving dynamic and could be more reliable. By the way I think you do the best reviews of anybody on TH-cam. They are always fact-based and clear not a lot of whining about Plastics!
My last car was just totalled after I got rear ended by a driver who's car had a auto braking system that clearly didn't work. I have no interest in the safety features, I actually DRIVE my cars, which is also why I want a manual. This is on my short list of vehicles. Tacoma is another.
You're correct. If they had a manual with the other options, I would buy 1. Sunroof and eyesight are good features. Don't like push button start. But the bigger engine is the biggest turn-off.
Standard Car Industry behavior we've come to expect: Make the manual impossible to find with no features people want, and then cancel it citing "no customer interest" Yup
Also its just dumb on Subaru's part. Full spec MFP was available in pre facelift Crosstrek in Canada 1st generation in europe with 6-speed. They just accidentally play into this stupid notion fucking Mercedes started by making manuals look like they are for the poor. Worst thing is that for some reason they dont offer manual in Europe at all for XV/Crosstrek ever since 2nd gen came out in 2018
This is actually on purpose, with a lot of good reasons. 1) CVTs get better fuel economy and governments around the world are putting huge pressure on fleet economy. 2) Manuals are cheap to produce, and on a base barebones model (sometimes without even air-conditioner) it allows them to advertise in magazines and radio and TV that the vehicle "Starts at $X MSRP!" even though the "real" vehicle that people will buy has lots of upcharges. 3) The enthusiast community is very loud, and throwing them a bone w/ manual will shut some of them up. So ultimately you just want to produce a handful of manuals and at as low a price as possible.
@Pinky What we should do, as a society, is remove the laws that require manufacturers to even support the dealership system. Direct sales make far more sense in 2021 in the information age. Vendors like Carvana have shown its a VERY low overhead operation, and especially on a new car it makes sense that it could go straight from the factory to your door, exactly as you ordered it. You would save a fortune cutting out the middle-man and hassle that involves for lower fixed pricing, and not worry that your car was sitting in the sun and hail and who knows what else for months, washed by some random mexican guy off the street with a dirty towel that scratched it up, or taken on a bunch of test drives. Then you wouldn't have to worry about what is in stock, as you'd be ordering a car like you do anything else from Amazon.
@Pinky you can special order one if you want no?
@Nathan Greer No, you're way off on that. the problem is manual transmission buyers are the same ones that would also be considered extremely frugal. People who actually buy manuals are almost NEVER the ones to pay alot of money for a car. I've seen it time and time again, auto makers offer a really cool car with a manual, and NO ONE buys it. The manual transmission buyers bitch about how they won't be able to buy said car 10 years later for a 1/4 of the price, but the sales figures don't lie. People people who say they love manuals don't actually buy the cars new with lots of options. From the auto makers perspective, it doesn't make fiscal sense. I could ask YOU, Nathan, what you actually drive. I can also say with almost 100% certainty it isn't a kitted out new car with lots of options, its probably something 10-15 years old. THATS the problem.
Not just Subaru, I sold Jeeps back in '17-18 and manual Wranglers never lasted more than a few days. Used manual wranglers never lasted more than a few hours. We BEGGED them to order more manual Wranglers to sell, but the GM adamantly refused. There is absolutely and unquestionably more demand in manual transmission utility vehicles than what the sales figures show.
Yes, it's incredibly annoying, I know that with some brands and cars, manuals won't be as popular but it seems like no manufacturer in the US gives them a chance anymore. My guess is that it is more profitable for them to just make one transmission so they are trying to phase them out. That's just speculation though, I have no facts to back me up.
Your right I'm a Subaru Technician manual trans. Less maintenance and cheap to fix so they can't make profit with that rather than AT trans. More complexity, Specially when they break but still not too bad. it depends with the users but when it comes to safety CVT is a clear winner coz you have a eyesight 😁
@@Realistick actual reason is mpg. Automatics are sophisticated they now get better fuel economy than manual trannys. Since automakers keep getting squeezed for more fuel efficient vehicles, thats the reason theyre getting rid of them
@@anormalhickgamer5782 This is partially true, I talk about this in my Tacoma manual video, but the reason that the pr people tell you is related to sales. The gas mileage is why they try to limit the production, and then they quote sales as the reason.
I think it's understandable that GM refused to send you more Wranglers.
The manual is a better deal. Plus you don't get all the safety stuff and no push button start both are positives to me.
I completely agree for myself too. I do know of a lot of people that do like the safety features though so subie could expand sales that way. Push button start is kind of nice but the accompanying proximity key unlock is something I'd definitely want in my crosstrek if I were to get one!
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Also the only reason the CVT models have X mode is because they have a slightly different awd system. When the cvt's came out they couldn't handle the stress of the Subaru all wheel drive. The car's would reduce power to save the transmission and customers didn't like it so they put a selectable x mode so it would act like a normal Subaru for short periods of time. The manual doesn't need X mode. Less features means less to go wrong. I think a base model crosstrek with a manual is as close to a perfect car as one could get. Good review 👍
Also no electric tailgate and no power seats i believe on the sport. Huge plus for me, hate those things
I don't need this EYE crap either.
Agreed... I feel a lot of recent increased accidents on the road is due to passive system. Passive systems are reactive rather than proactive, there will always be a lag time.
people who buy manual transmission know how to drive that's why they dont need all the other stuff
Give me heated seats heated steering wheel in four-wheel-drive that’s all the creature comforts I need
I mean I drive manual but I still can't drive
Yup
@@roberthoovan4130 definitely
@@devitrasuga7601 lol
They need to put the bigger engine in the manual.... People drive manuals because they are fun, not because they are cheap.
I agree, hopefully they just get rid of the 2.0 and hopefully they retain the 6 spd option when they do. Although, I've heard that small turbo engines will replace both engines in the next redesign.
This begs the question as to whether the Subaru manual tranny can handle the increased torque of the 2.5L.
Canada has the 2.5 but the U.S. doesn’t 🤦♀️
@@bobraible Yes, the manual transmission can handle the torque of the 2.5 liter engine as it was previously available in the Forester with that engine, and as he says in the video this transmission is also used in the WRX. I don't understand why Subaru didn't make the 2.5 liter engine standard across all Crosstrek trim levels. The 2.0 liter engine is sufficient for the Impreza, but the greater rotational inertia that comes with the Crosstrek's bigger wheels and tires really demands more torque for adequate acceleration.
@@r.j.bedore9884 Thx 4 the feedback. The 2.5L w/ the 6 spd manual would definitely interest me. I'm not particularly interested in a turbo.
I picked up the base model manual. I wanted a daily to take me offroad when needed, handle snow and was affordable. The crosstrek ticked all these boxes. I didn't expect how much fun it would be. It has a fun rally car feel and the manual is a real blessing to gear down in slushy conditions. I'm pleasantly surprised. I do agree with you that it'd be nice to have more options. I'd like the 2.5l engine, fog lights and push button but I also like the simplicity of this model.
yup love my 23 6MT premium
I heard the manual actually does better off-road than the cvt
In Canada, you can get the Crosstrek with a manual on all trims but the top "Limited" and "Outdoor" trims. The manual seems to be fairly popular at least in my area, I'd guess it has a take-rate of around 20%-25% but I'm not entirely sure on that. However, there's no doubt in my mind that if they offered it with the 2.5 litre engine they would have an even higher take-rate. It just seems like Subaru is trying to discourage people from buying them when there clearly is a market.
My guess is that the CVT is more profitable for them for some reason but I couldn't agree more! It really seems like they don't want to sell as many
they're trying to push their eyesight which doesn't work with manual transmission (or they couldn't be bother to make it work with manual because profit reason obviously)
I bet you it’s all about epa. Gas mileage
I would place an order for a 2.5L, 6MT, if available.
Another reason I want to move to Canada.
The lack of features because it's a manual makes it perfect!!! Less nonsense to break and us adults know how to drive without "driver aid " Bit#ch switches.
For some, yes. Personally, that isn't a deciding factor for me, but I'd definitely want the bigger engine or at least push button start, something that makes the car feel more new. I'd still buy it as is but I could see why that could turn some folks away too yk?
I have gotten so used to push button and keyless door entry (since my 2008 BMW 135i) that I find it really annoying to get a key out of my pocket. I know it sounds lazy but once you’re used to it it’s hard to go back.
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Agreed. Driver aid is for my retirement Buick driving days. Subaru Manual have that awesome brake lock when you are stopped on a hill and can't roll back. Fun note my manual trans in Australia started without pushing the clutch, thought my engine was fudged. But turns out its a basic feature in manual trans abroad.
Great review! Two things I've experienced with my Crosstrek 6 speed manual: After the first 14,000 miles the shifting became buttery smooth and lost virtually all notchy feel it had when new. I have always well exceeded the EPA ratings, about 23-25 mpg in town, and 30-34 on the road, and 36 mpg setting the cruise control at 60-65 mph. A sunroof was a must, and after much research, I had a Webasto installed. You would never know it didn't come from the factory. Keep up the good work!
That's very good information to have here, thank you for the feedback!
Just test drove a 2021 6 speed manual and it was in fact very notchy. Glad to hear it gets smoother over time. What do you think about the gear ratios?
@@MaidenBklyn The gear ratios are close to ideal for your average vehicle in my opinion. First gear could be more aggressive to make it easier to launch but it's alright for regular driving. Some people say it has too tall of gearing, but I think people tend to think that about every car that isn't super aggressive. The issue more or less derives from the 2.0 liter engine's lack of torque. Shorter ratios would make it more responsive but less efficient and probably slower in some regards as you already have to shift twice to get to 60 already. In other words, the ratios didn't ever get on my nerves, the lack of torque did!
Was this in the US because sun roof is a must for me?
@@Ocean7Fox5 Manuals in the US dont get the sunroof unfortunately, only CVTs.
I lucked out when I bought mine. They had one and it was off in a corner because no one wanted a manual. It was a plain Jane model and it was exactly what I needed. I’ve had it for 3 months and I couldn’t be happier.
Do you find it has enough power for every day driving and even merging on the highways? Thanks.
@@nynv94ANY car is fine for everything. People need to get away from thinking they need a lot of power to drive safely without holding others up. Merging onto motorways ? Anticipate other road users, rule 259 of the highway code, on you go. No problem.
@@oddities-whatnotI now have a '23 premium 6MT. It's absolutely fine merging, commuting, highway, everyday driving etc. Is it slow? YES! haha but what can be expected from a Crosstrek. It does its overall job fine. 👍
I would live to see the old days come back. You used to be able to order your vehicle any way you wanted it.
I can say that you're right. If they offered the manual with more options than it would help. If they made it more available it would help. The manual is their only one that should have gotten the sport.
Comparing my ladies Crosstrek to mine but hers is CVT to my manual both premium. You might as well just call mine a base model. The digitals dash is base, it just shares stitching and heated seats and fogs. The price difference is a rip off also. But I chose to get it anyways cause the manual is so worth it. I'm not a drone and will drive a manual untill they force me to stop.
Excellent review - everything mentioned is spot on. 2 years ago, I ordered my '19 6MT that I waited 4 months to get. Was OK with the wait because the transfer case is incredible. The only option that I was disappointed not being offered was the sunroof, but after receiving the car, I really didn't care. It's a real tough little bulldog that sees plenty of offroad and city gnarliness. There's only one body panel that isn't damaged. It's good that some tire companies are coming out with real A/T treads for the Crosstrek stock tire size, as they significantly improve obstacle grip without sacrificing handling and noise. So anyone out there thinking about it - don't hesitate - order it and wait because you never know when they're going to discontinue it....
In my personal experience, I am always beating the EPA mpg for my manual transmission, especially on the highway. I think those figures are possibly bogus and just make the CVT look more fuel efficient than it really is!
You are 100% correct. Any time I've seen people complain about cars not meeting the EPA rating, the car was an automatic. I had a corolla with an automatic and it got horrendous highway mileage because it didn't know how to deal with hills. With the cruise control on and set to the speed limit, it would downshift to second gear and rev the shit out of the engine when going up a slight hill.
Yes but automatics are more fuel efficient... However, toying with gear ratios can make manual absurdly fuel efficient. Example is my old f250 with 5.8 engine. If I am not in overdrive, I suck through gas. Once in overdrive (the ratios for zf5 is 0.84 I believe) I use minimal fuel and can stretch the fuel out to ~ 260 miles (that is with a 14 gallon tank).
Automatics are optimized, manuals are driver dependent.
Thank you, this is the comment I came here for.
I learned how to drive on my moms 2023 blue manual Crosstrek, ive fallen in love with the car as I drive it wayyy more than anyone else in the family, and I know how to heel toe downshift the car now, I drive it on a touge road every day and I feel like im fully in tune with the car
I'm getting 30 to 32 mpg around town and 35 hwy with my standard Crosstrek. Love this car.
That's crazy! I only get 24 in my 2020. I do like 85% town/city but damn
My 2021 is averaging 26 combined but only has 350 miles on it. Hoping it improves with break in.
@@countryacademy9053 Because fuel economy depends so much on driving style, its best to go to fuelly and look up the average fuel economy posted by thousands of drivers and averaged. Right now it shows the crosstrek averages 26mpg pre-refresh and 27mpg post-refresh.
@@BoopSnoot in town im 26mpg average. Took a 2100 mile road trip and averaged 31mpg doing 80. I didn't buy a standard for economy. Cvt transmission have yet to impress me for longevity. I personally am a gear head lol
Damn. I kinda want to trade in my 19 Corolla with 6mt for this !
I agree about menufacturers being at fault for manuals selling less. They constantly make it look like transmisssion for the poor, starting with luxury manufacturers eliminating them entirely like Mercedes. Combined with limiting options for no apparent reason on manuals it makes it even more so. Its so bad that even in europe manuals start to vanish from dosens of models and Subaru doesnt offer a manual at all there even tho majority of people drive stick there. Its just absurd.
The 6-speed you have in 2nd gen Crosstrek was in 1st gen one in Europe and they just refuse to offer it for 2nd gen. I guess its because Subarus arent as popular in europe but still....its very bad decision on Subaru's part. I still love that they still preserve true awd manual on some of their models for so long when everyone else offers fake awd(ie FWD with emergency engagement of rear) or doesnt offer a manual at all, but they could do so much more.
Thanks for giving some love to the 6MT. I ordered my 2020 Premium Crosstrek and waited about two months but it was worth it. Ever since the rumors of the 2.5L and now its reality, I've been screaming for a 6MT mated to it but it's never going to happen. In fact, I'm convinced there will be no more manual Crosstreks after the next redesign (2023?). I like everything about the manual except for the excessive rev hang. Like one of your commenters already said, it's due to emissions control - at least that what I've read. I have 10,500 miles on mine. I just finished driving it from MN to AZ where I achieved 32 MPG for the entire trip (manually calculated as the gauge in the car tends to be "optimistic").
Thanks for the feedback, yeah I have my doubts too. I wish they would let the manual thrive more so they could justify its existence in the next gen. I too feel like it will probably die out when Subaru switches to turbo engines (planned for next gen I believe).
@@Realistick specially sad when you imagine the potential of a manual paired with a boxer Turbo engine and symmetrical AWD... Subaru please don't let the dream die!!!
@@victorteran9766 Manuals paired with Turbo Charged boxers and their AWD have been around for 20+ years lol Don't need to imagine the potential, go drive any WRX or STI from 2001 and newer
@@Algorithm. sure about that, I am just not very fond of sedans or cars without proper ground clearance for light trailing or off-roading. So thats why my perfect package would be everything you mention, ON a Crosstrek, not a sedan or hatchback plataform.
Awesome review, thanks for taking the time to do this one. My 6mt base model crosstrek is supposed to arrive at the end of November and it feels like I've been waiting an eternity. Can't wait!
Hey did you finally get your hands on it? How do you like it?
@@anormalhickgamer5782 I love mine, real comfortable to me. Haven't been stuck yet and I've been in some deep stuff with it even pulling a small pop up camper. Hard to beat 26+ mpg while towing + awd all the time.
I'm subbing. Your reviews have that clean, professional vibe. You're gonna go far. Well done
I agree with you about availability. While I understand the lack of eyesight (hard to safely stop a car when it will still), there is no excuse for the lack of moonroof and lane assist. They just bundle those with the eyesight system.
I have a 2018 Manual Crosstrek. When I first asked about at the dealer, she asked me why I would want one! I wound up special ordering it from japan. It took over a month to get it, but I had every feature hand-picked and I saved money.
One other feature of the manual I should point out is that it performs better off-road than the cvt. The engine will automatically throttle down when under stress in order to prevent belt slipping on the cvt. With the manual, you can just keep it in alow gear. And those high revs will take care of the rest.
Yep had the same issue. Luckily the dealership I went to had one of my acceptable colors on their next shipment. However I drove the new honda civic manual and it did have eyesight. Apparently it will auto engage the clutch for you when it has to slow down... I didn't test it so I'm not sure how it re-engages or if you have to manually do it. but it was interesting.
Wait so you were able to get things like a sunroof and lane departure assist in the manual you custom ordered from Japan?
@@theinformationage No. Those were still only packaged with the Eyesight system. Even special ordering would not get those. In America at least. The Canadian Sport package would let you get the Moonroof. Almost considered it, but the import fees and taxes exceeded my budget.
I love mine. And I love the fact that it doesn’t have all those bells and whistles. I had to order mine and it was totally worth the wait.
I just ordered a manual yesterday. They said to give it about 8-12 weeks bc of the pandemic. I just want a sunroof- that is neither bell nor whistle. A pretty basic ask, especially for a brand that tries to appeal to the outdoorsy population. Am I right?
Waited for this review all week. Thank you!
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
I have a manual its just pure fun and I have total control more than any automatic I have driven, I can come to a corner drop down and not brake go down a mountain see everyone else constantly braking me just drop down a gear coast, It accelerates away before most folks have even engaged their brains to lift foot off brake transfer to gas UGH !!!.. It honestly isn't underpowered like folks seem to suggested and I used to drive a auto v8 5.7lt truck...
I bought my New leftover 2019 Impreza last April with Manual Transmission, No gimmicks to break.
Thanks!
Thank you, that money is going straight to a series I have cooking up!
Love this Subaru, you can take it anywhere and has good overall features. It would be awesome to have the 2.5 Lt engine with manual transmission or a Turbo with a manual...still solid yet underrated little Suv.
This is the most insightful review I've seen of the latest manual trans Crosstrek. I appreciate the details about its shifter-feel and clutch being "light, but not feather-weight." I, too, was suspicious of the low EPA fuel economy numbers for the manual, and am glad to see your more-realistic numbers ("30.8 mpg avg" on the gauge). There is a "save the manuals" sentiment among enthusiasts, but a poorly-engineered manual system (throttle + clutch + shift linkage) can be a daily annoyance to live with - much worse than a well-designed, modern automatic. 'Glad to see the manual brake lever, as well!
Just got mine this week! I had to special order it.
What was your wait time if I may ask?
@@confidentlocal8600 It took about 6 weeks
@@confidentlocal8600 Took me 9 weeks in Canada
I just ordered a manual yesterday and they said 8 weeks but maybe longer bc of the pandemic. I just want a sunroof- that is neither bell nor whistle. A pretty basic ask, especially for a brand that tries to appeal to the outdoorsy population.
Ordered mine yesterday they said October yes 4 months away
I definitely think offering a manual transmission without all the extra stuff is a good thing. What if someone 'Dosent want ' all those extra features? Someone like myself who just likes manual transmission in Australia and would want just a good car. Awd, yep, airbags, yep, air-conditioning, pwr steering, yep. I don't need blind spot monitoring, eyesight or a sunroof and all that other stuff. Halogen lights are ok, if I can see the road, great.
Well done Subaru for offering a basic option.
Our new car will be here in Nov, very bummed we couldn't get a sun roof and everything you listed. Hopefully those upgrades will be available later
Hopefully Subaru sees the demand here and responds at some point but who knows with automakers cutting costs lately. Congratulations, even without the extra features, these are an awesome buy!
Thanks for making this video and hopping into a m/t before someone snagged it off the lot to give us some real world driving impressions. I was worried it would have that budget car spongy feel to it but your mention of it being a little notchy is a good sign. This appears to be the last hold out for m/t within the segment and reading the comments below it sounds like I should place my order soon before they drop the option entirely.
Ordered a new 2022 premium trim in March in the Kool Grey Khacki in 6 speed MT. Can't wait to see it and drive it
As many have said before, had to order one to get manual trans , 6 more days to delivery. Would not drive anything else in Montana. Really like the control descending mountain passes and driving in winter conditions. This will be the 4th or 5th Suby with man. trans.. Paired with snow or studded tires, these are great for winter, forest roads to trailheads and in town snow days (city doesn't plow). Major point for me, THEY LAST FOREVER. I have 250,000 on an 06' Impreza and it still runs like a top and not super afraid to get it dirty or dinged up. Bought a 78' Suby wagon in 97' for $50 U.S., with an odometer that stopped at around 250,000 and made 100% profit on resale. That thing was unstoppable!
@ 8:12 "especially at FIRST" Then you see what's in the background. 😮 Well played, my friend. 🎉
I agree wholeheartedly with your review! I was lucky to get my hands on one back in February and I love it for all the reasons you mentioned. It does feel like it has a soul and I’m in love with it. I’m okay without all the techy options but I do wish I had a sunroof. For some reason sunroofs and manual transmissions (in my humble opinion) go together like peanut butter and jelly 😁 but all in all it’s my favorite car I’ve ever owned
Driving with CVT transmission I feel like a robot. With Manual transmission I feel alive and everything under control.
Great review! I wish they made the Sport version with the manual transmission. I think the 2.5 L engine with the manual would be a sweet driving crossover. Maybe Subaru will listen one of these days.
I Iike the options with the 6MT or lack thereof. I’m a little hesitant on missing out on x-mode though. I’d like to hear from owners who have had the manual off road in snow/muddy conditions.
I think you got this backwards. They put Xmode on the CVT to compensate for the lack of response you get compared to manual transmission. In essence Xmode is a crappy “manual transmission simulator”, even if you have to pay a lot more for it. Also, check the reviews for down-the-road problems with CVT. For us, it was manual transmission or no Subaru.
@@Petrvsco thanks. I’ve always preferred the manuals because I prefer the driving experience overall, but x-mode is really a piece of software that allows Subaru to simulate the very best off-roaders in low traction environments (think 4runners and co) by tapping into all of the vehicle ‘s engine, traction and braking systems. It started as a so-so simulation for v1 of X-Mode but the latest version is really neat. Still not convinced I want to give up the manuals for it and pay thousands more though. I agree reliability of these complex systems is always a concern.
I just got mines last week. I had it special ordered as well 👍🏻
I've been watching your videos for awhile now and never knew you were in Bloomington, Everywhere you went i kept thinking it looked familiar. My wife and son went to IU. Iove your reviews, keep it up
Thanks, I shoot most of my videos around 446!
2:20 Good, Subaru understands its consumers. If Im buying a manual, its because I want to do the driving. Im glad it doesn't come with all that extra stuff, its just an annoying distraction anyway lol
True, but definitely would have loved a better sound system in mine
Really enjoyed this. I'm looking for one of these right now to replace my 2014 CVT Crosstrek
I agree with you! The people who want a sometimes off-road vehicle would rather have a manual but I think Subaru is starting to get a little too big for it’s own good and telling people by there actions “take it or leave it”. So people will start to do just that!
I picked up one of the last 2023 manual crosstrek's and my girlfriend loves it! good space, enough features, great feeling drive. I'm so sad to see these things go.
100% agree w yout take on manual availability.
just include a sun roof wth! I think civic si includes one but the AWD is the selling point. sad the forester sport doesn’t even offer it.
The Forrester sport is not sporty.
I ordered a 2022 Crosstrek with the manual. I found it to be very disappointing that my options were limited. I don't know about anyone else but I would be willing to pay for a manual transmission if it were offered in the other trim levels or even other models. I told the dealership that if they offered a manual as an option, I would be willing to spend more money on an Outback or even the new Ascent.
Love my Canadian spec '19 Sport trim, all the goodies and the 6 speed! A 2.5 would have been nice though
Waited 3 months fort my manual 2020. Takes getting used to. Needs more Torque not as much hp. Both world be nice though leaning in the torque side. So what did I do? Lifted, tires wheels FA24 install soon. Winch bumper etc. This is the only chance we will get a wrx hatch again so I made one.... um that's lifted and off-road leaning. My lady has the 20 CVT. It's nice but lazy. I prefer the manual.
Bloomington, IN cool! I'm an IU grad living in Maine. Seriously looking into a stick Crosstrek and have been hanging on to my manual Vibe because I don't want to drive an Automatic. I have over 200,000 miles on it, and I would keep on driving it if it wasn't rusting out. Seems like my only choice for an SUV with a stick is a Crosstrek, but I've never owned a Subaru. Little gun shy making the switch. Wasn't liking that the gas mileage was worse than the Auto but your assurance makes me feel a bit better. Thanks for your video.
Yes, I wish I could tell you there was another similar option. The good news is that this is at least a very solid choice. Subaru's have great resale and have seemingly fixed their oil consumption problems from before 2015. I still am not 100 percent sold on their longevity but with phenomenal resale and a manual, I think the crosstrek is a smart buy. If you’re okay with a smaller car, I personally found the new Subaru Impreza to feel a bit more old school in a good way when it came to the clutch and shifter feel, it also has the same cargo and interior dimensions of the Crosstrek and AWD of course. You can also push button start and the better 8 inch touch screen in the impreza sport MT! Maybe check that out too (I'm posting a video on the MT model this month actually). Best of luck!
Happy to see that this 2021 Premium Crosstrek with Foglights *Does NOT* have:
Push button Start (easier to steal);
Sunroof(Hail will wreck the glass and it eventually leaks);
No Eyesight =Less Inadvertant Braking!
And Happy that this Crosstrek has an Actual manual HandBrake- Not Electric (when the batteries die, the Electric Brake will "seize the brakes", cant release, and you cant bump start the car!!).
I will always want a stick over an automatic......every time.
I have a 2013 crosstrek. Manual transmission, and it kicks ass. Subaru cvt isn't as good as some of the competition, but the manual is really good.
Agreed. I have a 2013 5 spd manual Forester. I am eyeing the Crosstrek 6 speed.
The few other reviews I've seen for the manual Crosstrek criticized the gearing of the transmission which creates gaps in the rev range and doesn't effectively use the narrow power band of the 2.0 liter engine, which is mostly masked by the CVT. They also mention that the shift feel is horrendously bad! Would appreciate your take on that, thanks.
The gearing is average, they might feel that the ratios are tall but in reality, the car just doesn'thave torque. I had to shift twice before 60 so I would not call it poorly spaced. The car just doesn't have the torque to pull hard in the lower ranges. It's not a sports car so you can't really expect it to blast through the gears. If I was comparing it to my old SI or something then I would say something like that. But if you drive a new Hyundai or Nissan with a stick, I think this has better feel. It's all about what you compare it to (which is why I said if you compare it to your old Honda or Mazda, it isn't as pure or fun). It's good for what it is and on par with the new corolla!
The biggest reason why these manufacturers stop selling manuals is because it messes with their overall MPG/EPA rating. Companies like GM and Ford keep discontinuing manuals for that very reason. It's going to suck the day companies like Subaru or Toyota follow that in the United States. Just wish Subaru would give their manuals more love. I bought my wife a Crosstrek before upgrading her to a 2020 Forester and I loved that little car. Easy as heck to work on, gave me no problems, great gas mileage and even could have a little light off-road fun. Heck, I might just buy one for myself as my daily when I don't want to drive my modified WRX.
That's definitely true, I wish I knew more about that when I made this video, I asked around with sales managers on their reasonings and finally, the Toyota sales manager for a dealer where I sourced a tacoma MT told me pretty much the same thing (I made a video on that a few months after this one). The more they make, the more it hurts their epa rating :(
I had to order my 2014 Crosstrek from Japan because I wanted a manual. Took 4 months to get it.
It's the sad reality but at least it didn't stop you from getting it!
They do have the push start and sunroof for the manual in Canada
I'm jealous, the US models can't get any optional packages with the manual
@@Realistick I’m buying it tomorrow dark blue only the 2.0L but for a manual it shouldn’t be bad
The fact that the Sport doesn't come available with a stick and the 2.5 is blasphemy.
Agreed. My guess would be they're going to drop it next year.
Fully aware. Thus, Subi can't have enough manual drivers interested in their products.
I will not buy a CVT. Subaru had all sorts of problems with the torque converters on theirs. A manual is tried and true.
@@confidentlocal8600 My guess is the manual is not long for this world.
It’s a real shame. Standard transmissions are easy to work on and maintain. CVTs are prone to problems and expensive to maintain. I drove a Sport yesterday. The paddle shifter was weird and it drove fine but I just don’t know. I also don’t care about the eyesight system because I pay attention when I drive and don’t need it or it’s cost if it breaks or I need a new windshield.
I got one of the last 2023 manuals to enter Canada last year, it was 2.5K Canadian cheaper, and I appreciate the bare bones. For a base it is still pretty loaded compared to other companies, but yes has to get white, no other option.
great review, in Canada we can still get a manual with a sunroof on our sport trim level which is what i am going to look into in the spring of 2021 and our price is $28,795 CDN converts to about $24,400 USD thats before any dealer, freight,PDI, or taxes & insurance, the high idle you talk about has been a thing with the 2.0 4 cylinder as part of the warm up , my niece has 2010 forester 2.5 that is the same and an older Impresza 2.0 2012 thats the same, 👍
Really!? I would personally buy one if they offered the manual with the sport and the 2.5, that's so cool!
@@Realistick ii would also buy it in a second if it was available , even if i have to order it and i already know how much i can buy it forehand will probably go for the 1 option package below that the Touring package which saves me $2600
I just got my crosstrek 6mt. It easily beats epa estimates
I just got mine and it does better than the CVT , I have been told the manual does not do well with gas millage , not true
My pops had one of the last forester manuals with the same 6 speed. A good driver will surpass the mpgs regularly. Most people buy this car for the regular driving stuff. Option it with the auto dimming mirror so your eyes don't melt at night and maybe a couple other add ons
I just ordered a manual one. There were none new or used on the market anywhere near me at all
Yep. Manual with a Moon Roof and I would get one... still thinking of one without the moon roof.
just ordered a manual yesterday. They said to give it about 8-12 weeks bc of the pandemic. I just want a sunroof- that is neither bell nor whistle. A pretty basic ask, especially for a brand that tries to appeal to the outdoorsy population. Am I right?
Manual puts the full control of the vehicle in the driver's hands and feet! ❤😊
Just special ordered one with a manual in Plasma Yellow. I'm so excited! I actually like the lack of options. I'm not a fan of sun roofs, I don't want the eyesight system, I like having an actual key to start the car, I don't need power seats, etc. Just wanted a couple utility things like the engine block heater, all weather floor mats, rear seat back protector, etc. Throw in a leather shift knob and I'm good to go. It's going to be a painful wait till April, haha.
Congrats, and I like that they do have that available too, it allows you to spec a cheap one unlike the new tacoma or mazda3 mt where it's only higher trims and costs a ton
This is a literal unicorn. It doesn't exist on dealer lots in real life; a lot of people are saying they have to special order a manual these days.
Yeah, it's really unfortunate, I addressed that toward the end of the video. I feel like there is a bigger demand than what Subaru allocates to dealers.
i got the only manual they had at the dealership here 😁
I just had my manual come in. Lovely car. Shifting into second smoothly is a bit tough though.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one! I just purchased one this past weekend and I've noticed that transitioning from initial roll off to second gear is notably rough :/
Don’t need the sunroof but I would want the choice of getting the manual in the 2.5 and upgraded interior off the Sport including the push button start. I’m just not a fan of the CVT.
I had to wait 6 months before the local dealer had a manual... they got a few of them in just a few weeks ago, and by the time I got there for a test drive, all they had was one Base trim. I was hoping to get a Premium for the heated seats, and someone else snapped up the Base within a day or two after my test drive. The demand is definitely there.
@Realistick What are your thoughts between this and the Tacoma? I want to occasionally pull a utility trailer but also want a good daily driver that I can keep 15 years or more.
The Tacoma is much more expensive but it could be argued that it would hold up better in the long term due to Toyota's better reputation. I would recommend the Crosstrek as it is much more civilized for a daily driver if you don't really need the truck capabilities or the added safety and tech features of the taco. The gas savings will also really help but you can't go wrong with either. Both have great resale, predicted reliability, and are offered with a manual and modern tech!
omg subaru treats the manual owners like a dad treats his middle child - then a shark swimming with a knife goes across screen lol so funny!!
I have a 2013 outback with a stick and it’s sooooo much better than a cvt model. This crosstrek sounds super fun
I have a 2013 Forester 5 spd...love it but I am eyeing the Crosstrek 6 spd.
Thx for the vid.
Just bought one with the sport trim and manual trans.
Waiting time for my order. 6 months and you just made me feel that is worth the while cause damn it's long.
Cool, cause I'm getting all those nice options you say that they don't come with cause it's the sport trim I'm getting.
Cheers.
Congrats, this is for US spec models, Canadians and others get the sport MT!
@@Realistick Stupid question.
How much trouble does it represent to import for you folks ?
Versus me trying to export witch I won't but just for the value and comparaison of differences in trading.
Is it possible ?
@@jfnoevilI can't say that i know. I don't think it is crazy difficult if it is from Canada to the US. I see Canada cars here on occasion but I assume there would be some process. Especially if you have an engine/transmission combo that's not offered with that car in the US. As some counties have emissions testing.
Great review I'm actually trying to buy a manual premium. You are right not too many choices available on a manual. Thanks
So this is weird, I just test drove a Crosstrek at that same dealership today and then found this vid. Hi from Bloomington!
Couldn’t help but notice you go through all the stop signs lol
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When you're driving a manual, stop signs are you and your clutch's enemy.
4:27 😮
I am searching for the Crosstrek 6MT and there's none available in a 150mile radius of where I am. They say manuals don't sell, but if they don't have them available, then how can they sell them ? Pity.
Exactly! It's annoying, one dealer I talked to said toyota refuses to allocate more manual tacomas because they get worse gas mileage and it hurts their overall ratings with the EPA, I would assume it is the same with Subaru too.
Interesting that standard transmission sell quickly. Subaru customers may be different/unique as are the vehicles, and this might be the niche to have more manuals. What worries me in a long trip, if the other driver(s), don't drive a stick shift, then I would have to do all the driving; I have not owned a stick shift for years, and it would be fun to drive one again.
I've definitely been on the receiving end of that one, I drove from Indiana to California like that. It wasn't as bad as I was anticipating if I am being honest. I am also insane, but if you're wanting to buy another manual car at some point, your time to get a manual AWD is running short!
Offer the Crosstrek with the WRX engine, 6 speed manual, 1.5in lift, and BFG tires. Everyone in Colorado will get one.
I don't know if they'd do big tires and a lift but Hyundai is now making a Kona N, maybe we will see an answer to that?
I agree 100%. I want all of my creature comforts and a manual transmission. I had a Buick Encore and it would have been the perfect car for a manual transmission.
totally agree, it sucks that they dont offer sunroof with a manual, so for that ill stick with my awd 5spd 02 Honda Crv Ex
I'd really REALLY love to have a manual transmission with a Sunroof!!!!!
Someone at some point commented that they had one put in on the aftermarket, maybe look into that! Seems like that would be expensive but if you really wanted one, maybe it's worth it?!
Me too, I'm looking at ordering a 2021 Premium with the manual, and plan on having the Webasto sunroof installed -- recommend by the dealer, and comes with warranty, about $1,500 to install.
@@monicamcpartland9390 Please don't do it unless it's factory! Hopefully I got you before it's to late!
Thanks for this! I currently have an '08 Outback MT, very close to rolling 200K on it. Starting to think about making a change to a newer vehicle. I had been somewhat resigned that I'd have to go AT on my next vehicle. If I do go AT, it will NOT be a Subaru--not interested in the CVT. But I think I'd really miss driving an MT, and so have been entertaining the idea of the Crosstrek in the MT. It would be my 4th Subaru if I get a Crosstrek. Hear that Subaru?--if AT, not Subaru, if MT, very possibly / likely Subaru. I agree there is more demand out there for MT's than manufaturers want to accomodate. I think it comes down to not wanting to have diversity in their offerings and manufacturing flow. Also I think there is an argument being put forward (perhaps for the above reason) that CVT's are more efficient, but I've seen quite a few MT drivers out there who report they beat the published EPA's of the AT / CVT's, and that the AT's / CVT's do not perform to the reported EPA's. Makes me think there may be some funny business in the data being put forward...just a thought..
Thank you for watching, I definitely understand avoiding the CVT. They rate them very conservatively for the epa for a reason I can't quite understand. But a big reason why they don't meet the demand for them is also because the more they produce, the more it brings down their epa numbers for the brand. And they can receive penalties for that. I didn't know too much about that until the next new car manual trans review. It's definitely an unfortunate situation so I would get one while you can!
Getting mine next month... can't wait
Congrats when it gets there!
hello mate! I saw your vid when it just came out, and loved it! my question is, I am (finally!) about to get my Crosstrek, 2021 and have the option to get it with a MT, but a friend of mine has one and tells me it is way harder to live with than the CVT, which is more confortable and just as capable off-road. What are your thoughts? I love driving stick but if the auto is better off-road then I could make the trade!
I think if you like driving manuals. Get the manual! You can manage it offroad with the manual handbrake and it's going to be a ton more engaging than the CVT on a day to day basis. I don't hate cvts and would recommend it to people that aren't enthusiasts or do not care about driver engagement but the manual here is pretty approachable and breathes life into the Crosstrek.
@@Realistick thank you soo much for your quick reply Tyler! so manual it is, I will let you know how that goes, and congratulations on your channel again!
@@victorteran9766 thank you for watching!
@@Realistick hey man! just to let you know, I already got my manual last week, color white, and loving it already! thanks again and keep up the good work! 😁
@@victorteran9766 congratulations! You got it pretty quick too, that's rare. I'm glad you're enjoying it, thank you!
I bought an 2021 Impreza sport hatchback in manual transmission, and mine came with push start ignition but "NO" sun roof 🤔.
I really appreciate you posting this review. I've only ever had manual transmissions before and as I'm starting to look at new cars I don't want to give that up but it's *impossible* to find a stick shift to test drive and understand what I'd actually be getting. It's frustrating because I feel like the stick shift Crosstrek would probably be a great choice but it's hard to just go for it sigh unseen when it's paired with the weaker engine.
Thanks, that's exactly why I try to do one when I can. I understand that frustration. It is slow but it's something I think that most people can live with if they are coming from a previous non-turbo or 3.6 Subaru. If you haven't already, I'd go and test drive a used auto crosstrek (make sure it isn't the 2.5), or just test drive a used, manual crosstrek and then try to place an order on one if you like it. If you're used to a manual, I think you will have no regrets on the crosstrek, but the power level can be insufficient for some.
@@Realistick So I found a used 2021 manual to try and I enjoyed it! I could see how it might be sluggish if it were loaded down with camping gear but, coming from the lower end sedan I’ve normally driven, i didn’t have any complaints…aside from the dealership asking for about $3k surcharge over a brand new one.
@@seant2347 awesome! Yeah, it sucks but I used to buy cars for another dealer in town and literally almost all Subarus that are within a few model years of new sell for msrp (sometimes over) AT AUCTION, then the dealer has to recondition little stuff usually and try to sell at a profit and you get stuff like that. The Subaru dealer I work with sells new at msrp but has to sell used over msrp due to that. Even trade in values are absurd!
I currently drive a 5 speed manuel Fiat 500 Pop. I have been looking into getting 4 wheel drive vehicle and started looking at options with manuel. I personally don't like all the computer type of features in cars these days. I don't need all that stuff. It's becoming more difficult to find vehicles without all this stuff. They are making it harder to fix your own vehicle with all the computers. Thanks for your information.
I do like the fact that REVERSE is down and right. I just bought an Elantra GT and after 40 years of driving a 5-speed, I'm having a heck of a time getting used to it being up and left. Just isn't intuitive and is difficult to alternate forward and backward quickly.
I had the same issue with the new Tacoma MT which places reverse left and forward with no lockout!
If subaru 1) kicks the oil burning and 2) gave the stick shift model more balls then id go for it.
I 100% agree with the lamenting loss of manual transmissions, and believe It's less trim feature options, which are pushing people away from them, vs simply not wanting a manual. I purchased my first vehicle 4yrs ago: a 2012 Toyota Matrix XRS. When I was looking for the vehicle, I was insistent on it being a matrix with a manual transmission. My dealer rep had several slushbucket matrix's he kept trying to put me in, but I was insistent, on the manual. When be pushed me on why, I kept arguing it was being you have better traction control, but in reality, it's because I liked how I felt driving stick. I held out, and got my dream car: manual with a sunroof! I grew tired of stick maneuvering, after about 3mths, as I live, work and commute in the city, and shifting got old quick. I offhandedly said my next vehicle would be a slushbucket. Then winter hit: I came upon an icy patch of a rounded hill, at regular speed. I knew I was going too fast to maintain control, and I also knew if I hit my brakes, I'd spin out. So I downshifted into 2nd: tranny and engine were angry, but we all stayed out of the willywacks. It was that moment which I promised myself I'd only ever buy manual transmission, again.
As much as I love my Matrix mobile, he's not awesome, in icy conditions. I live on the east coast of Canada, where ice happens a lot. Every winter, I've been stuck in the lot of my property, that floods terribly, and every winter, I lament not having AWD, and get the itch to trade him in for an AWD. When I started looking at options, for AWD and manual, I realized how limited my choices would suddenly be, especially when I consider features. I got super spoiled with my first car purchase, as it featured nearly everything I wanted, in a vehicle of it's time: manual, hatchbatch, sunroof, reliability, strong resale value (book value on this bad boy, is still the $9900 I paid for him). I quickly realized I'd be compromising my sunroof and hatch, for most options. But then I discovered Subi still makes a manual transmission. I was nearly set, on the Impreza, as it featured everything I wanted: sunroof, hatchback, manual transmission, reliability, strong resale value, but was put off he only came in 5spd. If I wanted a 6spd, I'd have to go with an STI or WRX, both of which were far more expensive, way too much torque (not looking to be fast & the furious here) and no hatchback. A friend told me Crosstrek, and older Forrester both come in manual, which had me like whoa. My cousin just purchased the Crosstrek in manual, and loves hers. My mom, who has only driven manual transmission herself, until her 2010 Toyota Rav purchase, will be looking to trade him in soon, and is looking hard at Subi, because they offer AWD with the manual, which she misses. We are a strong Toyota family here, and the lack of manual options, and features, with that brand, are what's driving us to consider other brands.
Yes, it's unfortunate that Subaru is just about the last one to make a manual with awd. I recently reviewed the Toyota Tacoma 6-Speed Manual and the dealer there told me something else about why they aren't fulfilling the full demand of manuals in the US: emissions. The EPA usually rates mt models very conservatively so the manufacturer usually decides to axe the manual or make them available in limited forms and refuses to allocate many. The more mt models, the worse their environmental numbers look, and with steeper and steeper regulations, all inneffiencies will be cut sooner or later until everything is electric. I personally want to buy a new vehicle with a manual transmission before that happens, because it's looking like electric will take over everything by the end of the decade and I don't see manuals making it past that.
@@Realistick contending and unfortunate theory. I agree, I don't see manuals surviving, in the electric car transition ☹️
I had a 87 Subaru hatch with a 5speed and it was a way better trans to drive than the new 6 speed Crosstrek
I had to order my crosstrek mt. I really wish that it was available with the 2.5 engine. CD player was also on my list.
So weird that we can get a manual sport trim here in Canada that has many of the features that are missing in the U.S manual crosstrek
For real, it is really frustrating to see how close we were to getting my personal favorite crosstrek spec!
They should put the manual on the 2.5 engine. You are right about the lack of availability driving down the take rate. I recently tried a manual Kia Soul. Rubber shifting. Rubber in molasses, actually.
The number one problem is the instant gratification that is expected in the United States. For example, in Japan buyers go online and build their car, submit their build and get the car in a reasonable time period. If we had this mentality in the US and if Manufacturers offered this type of purchasing process, I know more people would build manual transmission cars with a significant amount of upgrades. I love the idea of the manual Crosstrek in a Limited package.
I have a 2021 Sport with 2.0 and 6M - not sure if it is Canada only.
It is, at least for NA, I really wish we'd get that combo in the US, but especially with the 2.5!
Why does the engine idle so high and for so long? I've noticed that on several cross trecks and it seems like there is something wrong with the way it's set up. Also with the manual transmission you get a viscous clutch in 50 50 power distribution which really gives a better driving dynamic and could be more reliable. By the way I think you do the best reviews of anybody on TH-cam. They are always fact-based and clear not a lot of whining about Plastics!
My last car was just totalled after I got rear ended by a driver who's car had a auto braking system that clearly didn't work. I have no interest in the safety features, I actually DRIVE my cars, which is also why I want a manual.
This is on my short list of vehicles. Tacoma is another.
Sorry to hear about that, I actually did a review on the 2021 manual tacoma as well!
You're correct. If they had a manual with the other options, I would buy 1. Sunroof and eyesight are good features. Don't like push button start. But the bigger engine is the biggest turn-off.