Thanks for your thoughtful review. I completely agree with you. Thought you might like to hear of my recent experience with the car, a 2017 with about 2,000 miles. I am experiencing the exact same issue that you mention in your review: first and second gear are exceedingly sensitive, touchy, as you say, with little in the way of clutch "feedback' in regard to the actual sweet spot of engagement, which is particularly frustrating when on an incline in first gear. As you mentioned, third, forth and fifth work flawlessly. It is odd to have such a well designed car with this such a noted problem. For years I have driven manual transmissions (my other car is a 2001 special edition Miata), and am well versed in driving same. I love the added control that this offers in most cases. It appears that 2018 now will feature the added 6th gear and, I believe a bit more power. This, I imagine will be a very welcome addition to the evolution of the Crosstrek. Thanks again for your note!
We're now at 18k miles in the car, and either the clutch has gotten broken in or it's broken me in. I still find it a bit touchy in the first two gears, but not too bad. My main complain continues to be the lack of adequate high-speed gearing, so I'm glad the 2018 may rectify that problem. It's a great car off road and in the snow!
I have a 2017 premium 5 speed and I think it sucks. I like the car, but hate how it drives. Most un-smooth vehicle I've ever driven, no clutch pedal feel; touchy throttle and horrible rev hang. Have always owned manuals and I enjoy driving, but this one just flat out sucks. YMMV
I have a 2020 Impreza and this is the SAME EXACT issue with its manual transmission as well. Subaru doesn't know how to make clutches or something because it is a dog compared to my Civic.
Your video was a nice surprise in that it mirrored my concerns with my 15 Impreza. I got rid of the OEM shift knob immediately and still have to consciously focus on shifting with 1-2nd gear to avoid jerking around like it’s my first time with a manual. I’ve driven manuals exclusively for 40 years!
Those manual transmission cars are getting harder to find -- but our Crosstrek is still going strong (and great in the snow). We got another Crosstrek a few years later with the 6-speed. It's a bit better
I’ve been able to shift my 15’ Impreza smoothly if you wait like 1.5 seconds before letting the clutch out, and let it out to about 3/4 of its travel, and apply just a tiny tiny bit of throttle. I also have a v6 accord with a 6 speed which is so much easier to drive smoothly. That thing has the best shifter and clutch feel ever.
Your right. It comes with the six speed now. I was told at a car show in 2017 (Canada) and I was actually waiting for this. The only issue I have now is the power to weight ratio, Im going to wait for a test drive. Im trying to watch reviews. But all the reviews do is talk through the car spec. They are dull as hell, tell you nothing about their interpretation of the drive and practically in everyday situations. Thats why I liked this video. No bullshit and to the point. I drive a 2002 CRV Manual. You can manipulate the AWD by going in second with high revs to send power to the rear. But Honda stopped the manuals in 2005. I looked at Forrester manual but they stopped the manuals in 2018 and are hard to find.
I’ll tell you this: the power is not impressive. Pulling onto the highway with four people in the car is dicey compared to a turbo. But it’s a great snow car
Your video gave me some peace of mind, thank you! I was feeling like an idiot the first few weeks in my Crosstrek after having driven a WRX wagon for 12 years because it was taking off so jerky, even when I tried to feel it out better. I've successfully driven an STi with a really light clutch installed...so my 2014 Crosstrek really threw me off. I've gotten a little more used to it (3 months later). The rev hang drives me nuts, as I used to use engine braking a ton in my WRX. This thing maintains speed too well for that to even be very helpful anymore :( Still, I'm happy I was able to find this car. It was 40 minutes away, the right price, any only had 32,000 miles on it.
The "automatic" is a CVT - and is sluggish and a bit weird at 80 MPH here in Wyoming because of undulating highways. The CVT has a "manual" feature that I believe is fantastic. For highway driving, I exclusively use "manual" now that I've discovered it. Paddle shifters work quicker than "stick shifters" to boot.
I tried those paddle shifters on the car I test drove, and really liked them! Very nice and easy to use. Of course, turning and shifting would be tough, but that situation probably doesn't come up that much. :)
Yeah, the paddle shifters are surprisingly nice. I use them all the time, too. I pull around 2100 RPM at 70, and maybe 2400 RPM at 80. I don't think the higher RPMs on the manual are a big deal, just might be slightly noisier on the highway. I was tempted by the stick version, but they didn't have one at my dealer either, and I just decided to get the CVT.
Yeah, I'm in Tallahasee, FL and in order to get my manual, I had to order my base level Impreza through a dealer 150 miles away in Gainesville who got it from another dealership 300 miles away in Melbourne. the only option it came with was the all-weather floor mats. 3,000 RPM is nothing for a Subaru. I cruise at 80 all the time. Of course, don't forget, the Crosstrek is supposed to be an offroad vehicle so it's going to get the lower gear ratios. My Impreza is still close to 3,000 but considering that the redline is over 6K, I'm not concerned. i routinely sustain over 3,000 RPM when pulling a heavy trailer.
I was surprised to learn that the dealers don't stock stick shifts -- but I guess folks like the ease of the automatic. I guess I'll just have to get used to the high revs ...
I just checked tonight on the way to work. 60MPH has me about 2,600 RPM and 80 is about 3,300. Redline is about 7,000 so we're nowhere near maxing the engine out
Gene Floyd Tallahassee? I'm in Jacksonville. we have the number one subaru dealership. the crosstrek is good but sluggish when merging on to the highway or starting from a stop light.
The rpms are actually pretty reasonable for a small displacement 4 cylinder. I had a Mazda 6 with a 2.3 it reved at 3000 rpm at 60 mph, the Crosstrek revs the same as my old Ranger 5 speed 2.3 at 60 mph. At 60 mph you need to keep the rpms up there's a lot of resistance against the car and a small 4 cylinder won't produce enough power below 2000 rpm realistically. I've driven both the 5 speed and cvt Impreza and the cvt is a bit annoying on anything besides a flat open highway. Any small dip in the road or any increase speed needed requires the cvt to increase rpms from 1500 rpm and downshift and I do mean really any small dip or speed change, it becomes annoying and would be nice if it reved higher like the 5pd. The test I did on the cvt and 5 speed for mpg on the same stretch of road and conditions same day the 5 speed did slightly better than the cvt for mpg.
@@metaspencer Only problem tho they went from metal linkage to cables and it feels really weird and soft to shift. It's still decent, but not as fun as more properly made manual transmission, including tighter feeling cable shifters in other cars i driven.
Nice! I also have a 2.0i base trim, and that rubber knob and steering wheel were such a bummer, it felt needlessly cheap in what is a nice car. I opted for the STI shift knob, and also swapped out the steering wheel with a leather wrapped one from an Outback. for $40 its a nice upgrade.
Those are great ideas. I've looked at a couple of knobs, but haven't bought one yet. Can you just unscrew the existing knob? Or maybe you need to put a pair of pliers on the stick itself when unscrewing?
metaspencer yeah, the OEM one just unscrews. And the shift boot just slides off the bottom of the knob. Easy change. The hardest part is finding the one you want!
Would you say the clutch is heavier than other daily drivers? I test drove a 15 Impreza (should be close enough) and the clutch was extremely heavy, way heavier than anything daily driver I have tried.
@@metaspencer Same here. I am coming from a Honda Civic more than 10 years old and the new Impreza has been annoying to drive for now. It's only been two weeks, so I'm hoping I'll get used to it. I also don't like how clunky the shifter is and how strange the clutch feels.
@@brotendo Having had the Crosstrek a couple years now, I can tell you that I have gotten used to it. But it's still not my favorite manual (I have a couple of trucks with stick shifts). I bet that IMprezza has some power!
Nice video metaspencer, what version is your Crosstrek, looks like a base one? I got a Sport CVT in mid August and I really love it. At first, I was not a big fan of the CVT (always had manual cars) but it is by far the best CVT I have tried so far! My only gripe is the lag when you floor it, but I have read and noticed that it is a lot quicker when you put the throttle about 3/4 down. It definitely needs a turbo but I have noticed that it really shines in the snow! I live in Eastern Ontario and winter can be extreme! I had the most fun in manual mode in a parking lot with a good 7 inches of snow! :) This is my second AWD, I previously had a Suzuki SX4 which was a blast for winter drift but the Crosstrek is a notch above! As for the interior, I really like it and prefer it to my parent's 2017 Forester, which was bought the same day as my Crosstrek! :D
We did get the base model with the manual. I test drove the CVT and really liked it, but just couldn't figure out how you could use those paddle shifters while turning. The paddles seems like a nice idea but not for driving on roads that are anything but straight. As for lag, I know what you mean: it's just not the most powerful engine. But with that said, snow performance is excellent!
I bought a 2016 CVT Crosstrek last winter. The manual wasn't available with the sunroof, and I wanted the sunroof. A Webasto sunroof could work for those of you with a manual Crosstrek. I like the chain-driven CVT with paddles OK so far. It feels better than a 4cyl/CVT Altima I rented a few years ago. This little hatch is HEAVY. It feels like a Grand Tourer to me, on the road, rather than a sporty hatch. My '95 Jeep YJ had a similar curb weight. The ride is surprisingly nice for such a small economy car (especially considering the solid-feeling handling for basically a LIFTED Impreza hatch), and the boxer motor is smoother than most 4cyls I have had. I already have skids, a high-flow cotton airfilter, yellow fogs, an Eco-hitch, a multi-mount winch, and 225/60-17 AT Trails. Rockers and a rear diff-locker are next. Intake spacers may follow too. The 2.0L could use a bit more power, IMO. MPG is way better than EPA ratings, but I use the cruise a LOT on my 50mile commute. I've gotten 45+MPG on a tank, with stock tires. I can still get 35-40MPG with the taller AT Trails.
Thank you for the video. Decided to buy my mother in laws XV (cross trek in Australia) off of her. It’s a 2015 but the odd thing is, it’s a 6 speed. Not sure why we got the extra overdrive gear
yeah they put different transmissions in them -- here in the States they started getting the 6'th gear a few years ago. Lower revs on the highway so you're psyched, mate!
European version of XV/Crosstrek has a 6 speed, difference is that they switched from metal/rod linkage to cables and way its mounted is a bit more flimsy, its really good on the highway and ratioes are perfect, its just not as good as it could be if they stuck to metal linkage. I think that they just put that EU/JDM spec transmission and shifter to 2nd generation Crosstrek in USA.
Your video is as correct as it gets! I have a 2015 crosstrek 5 speed with 32 thousand miles, do you feel that 1st and 2nd feel a-little bit Notchy when shifting? Also in first gear my engine is very loud lol.
It seems like the few MT cars available today tend to have a short cruising gear, even if they have 6th gears. No wonder automatics are now getting better MPGs. We had a hard time buying a new 2012 Honda Fit Sport in 5MT and when the 3rd generation came out with a 6th gear it was the same ratio as our 5th gear even if it had more HP. We're now in the market for the new Impreza Sport hatch in MT or the upcoming Crosstrek if they offer it in MT. Since dealers aren't carrying any MTs in stock we might finally surrender to the +$800 CVT, which obviously gets better mileage, better for resale, and Eyesight becomes available. My real concern is how much acceleration and fun driver involvement the CVT kills.
Everything you say I agree with. Everything is pushing us to buy automatic transmissions, and your story about the 5th and 6th gears being the same is crazy. I had a Jetta with a 6th gear that was perfect at high speeds ... but I had to sell it back. Good luck with your new Impreza Sport! It's gonna have some power and be fun to drive either way.
It doesn't even need a 6th gear, just a taller 5th gear. It should already be a tad lighter with no torque converter so I don't understand why they can't give it a similar cruising gear ratio as the automatic. I don't want more wasteful RPMs, less mpgs than the CVT, and I don't mind dropping a gear to pass a truck. Rowing the gears is why we want a manual. Heck, my wife wants the manual and that's rare!
Well said: a 6th gear is just how some makers have made highway driving possible at low RPMs ... a better 5th would be great. It's too bad about the high RPMs on the manual, as I also really like everything else about it.
I am curious on your opinion if this would be a good first car to get in stick. I have driven stick shift cars before but never my own as an everyday vehicle. Looking at this because of the standard AWD option since i live in the snowy northeast.
I have mixed feelings about the stick shift in this car. On the plus side, it's very hard to find stick-shift cars these days! On the negative side, the shifting is a bit touchy at the lower gears ... and the transmission is geared in such a way that you get very high RPMs on the highway. The best thing about the stick is how it performs off road and in snow, in my opinion. In those conditions, it's unbeatable. The manual transmission also splits the power evenly between front and rear wheels, which is nice.
@metaspencer I heard that the new generation doesn't have manual transmission, maybe it's just in my country, such a pity Subaru doesn't have more manual option other than the WRX and BRZ..
metaspencer oh I wonder why they do that. Upgrade the outback earlier. Silly. Yes the 6th gear is my fuel saver on the highway. I think every car should have it
my theory is they want us to buy that damn cvt. I ended up buying a Forester to get a very nice 6 speed ans the torquey 2.5. my girlfriend as a manual crosstrek and we basically get the same fuel mileage. Down side is, my manual touring forester is a very nice , quiet and soft OLD MAN CAR. I'm going back to impreza , but I will be stuck with that 5 speed. unless they build me an 2018 hatchback wrx
I agree with your theory: no auto maker wants to sell multiple versions of the same car, so they promote the automatic. Going along with that, many people no longer want to drive a stick. Impreza sounds fun: more power!
Hi Metaspencer love the videos of the Subaru in the snow so nice and they run great . I know what you meen with the 5speed I have a 2015 Subaru XV as the are Cold here in Sweden and it is a 2.0 diesel 150hk and it have a 6speed so doing 55-60 mils it have 1600 rpm
@ Yup. The first gen has a 5 speed. Fun to drive but the low gearing takes some adjustment. A little frustrating on the freeway going 70 at over 3000 rpm. Great camping car at the end, though.
Yep, that is where I was going with this. Crosstreks look sweet lifted with the right wheel/tire combo. Lifting vehicles generally lowers fuel efficiency a tad, but I think it would still benefit @ highway speeds. And if you do any off roading it is a no brainer. If sticking to the streets I would see if a slightly taller tire would clear(google search forums) without lifting next time you need new tires.
@@BornN2Grave1 225/60R17s fit 1st-gen Crosstreks on stock rims without a lift or trimming. 215/75R15s fit with the right rims. The taller AT Trails I have are a bit heavier than all-season tires, and the speedo/odo reading is changed, but I still read 35+MPG per tank with cruise used at 55-65MPH.
I really love my stick shift CrossTrek, but the problem I have is that if I change gears lower than 3k I will always hear the engine knocking... yes, cruising on a flat road is not problem after getting momentum... the problem is when lifting and getting to the cruising speed. The dealer said to change gas or to change gears at a higher RPM, around 2.5 to 3.5... I've been doing that and I don't hear the knocking, but this is the first stick shift I ever drove that requires that. Has any one else encounter this problem?
Metaspencer, you and one other person all over the internet (for now) are the only ones that have talked about the high RPMs (specially for the manual transmission). I was thinking of trading my 2015 for the 2017 because I thought mine had an issue. Now I will keep it, until 2022 at least if that model is way better, if not, I'll keep this one which I love by the way. Anyhow, that other guy, AWDfreak (www.subaruxvforum.com/forum/engine-drivetrain/48873-5-speed-manual-transmission-feedback-5.html) said this which I have found to be happening with my XV (brackets [ ] are my comments): -------------------------------------- 1st gear is short, but I personally want it a tiny bit shorter. [I like it just the way it is] 2nd gear is perfect, especially for aggressive passing at speeds between 35 MPH and 55 MPH. It's also the gear I use most for my fun mountain pass drives. 3rd gear is also fine as it, I use it for freeway/highway passing up until 85 MPH. [I never go over 3rd gear on the street - up to 45 mph] 4th gear is the gear I use for passing above 85 MPH and the gear I use to get very near top speed. I like how the tach and speedo are nearly perfectly in sync when I'm in 4th. [I use 4th gear from 45 mph to 70 mph and it feels just right that way with my XV] 5th gear, being the only overdrive gear, needless to say, is the fuel-saving gear once above 40 MPH. Not recommended for any kind of acceleration except for top speed. [I only use 5th gear if over 75 mph] -------------------------------------- If I shift lower than these speeds for the respective gears I will hear engine knocking always... don't you? If I drive it like AWDfreak describes I will never hear engine knocking and it feels powerful, peppy... So far, I have gotten used to the high RPMs and I'm loving it... specially when doing double-clutching (no revving with double clutching though). Heal-toe is not easy to do on this car and I found it not necessary, yet... Thank you both. My mind is at ease now about this RPM subject.
Thanks for the detailed note! In general, I agree with the notes from AWD Freak. For me, I don't follow strict rules for shifting (speed or RPMs) but tend to go with the feel and sound of the situation. Hills and what I'm towing will often influence shifting times. But I never hear knocking and you certainly don't ever want to lug an engine. Take care!
Sorry if this was already posted or if you've already seen it, but here's the Engineering Explained guy commenting on his own manual transmission equipped 2016 Subaru Crosstrek. He talks about the transmission too, and says some of the same things: th-cam.com/video/4CF6ibHBuqs/w-d-xo.html
i think we're scared or high rpms cause we're used to old tractor engines and old school american v8s. most small engines like to rev. motorcycles got me used to that, my old honda sits at 5k rpm on the interstate and redlines at 10k
Having driven the XTrek now for a few years, I know what you mean: I had been driving a diesel VW that had very low RPMs on the highway ... now I'm more used to running at 4k
If I'm not mistaken these in manual are a better choice anyways b/c they split shell drive 50/50 to the front and rear while the automatics are split 70 front 30 rear
Yes, I've read the same thing: the all-wheel drive system in the manual transmission cars is more mechanical and less electronic. In my own experience, the manual is REALLY GREAT on snow and ice. I've been very impressed.
Automatic are not split 70/30, actually do some research before posting misinformation. On normal conditions the CVT splits it 60/40 and when the ESD detects there are traction problems the computer automatically splits it 50/50. It balances it out while the manual doesn't. Also the manual uses more gas.
@@metaspencer I got Arenbel Ball Shift Knob on amazon it screws right in just need figure out what to use keep fabric right up other than that I like it
i drive at least 80 on the highway sometimes 100+... lol id hate that... my CVT is at 2,500 at 80 and like 3200 at 100... i dont love the CVT... im a racecar guy and generally like a manual... but not if its got too short of gearing... that would be super annoying for me... im on my second crosstrek.. the first one has 200k and the one i just bought has 70k... the old ones CVT doesnt always shift when i want or shifts when i dont want... the newer one is much much better... i also drove a new 2025 and decided the used one fels no different and decided to savve some money... and i already have a car woth of spares... minus a headgasket... the first car was super reliable till the headgasket went at 200k... and even then still drove me around for four months as long as i added water daily... it still runs and drive now and im probably gonna put a used motor in it and keep it for a spare vehicle.
Im in the UK, 3100 rpm in fifth gear is not that high. My Abarth 500 had five speed, and at 70mph it was doing about 2900 rpm, and felt fine. Anything above 3500 rpm on any car at cruising speed I find is unrelaxing and a bit noisy. Secondly, in the UK this Subaru has 6 speed manual, which I would like next, and would make a big difference. Ive driven the Impreza hatch which has 5 speed manual and even at 70 it was fine because the engine settles down and having character with being a boxer engine it was not a problem at speed. Enjoy,
Have a 2016 Sti crosstrek, low miles, with the CVT. Now that I know it over revs with a manual 5 speed, it's just more depressing news. Anyone interested in doing a Cummins 2.8 swap in a crosstrek that will function, it seems more practical and would love to eliminate stress and worry about the crosstrek once and for all good riddens, and sianara to the stress mess. Let's do a Cummins r2.8t and be done with it, whoever wants to do this I'm game.
I see a whole shop being setup for this with the fall of Subaru, even the Toyota landcruisers are swapping to the r2.8 Cummins, and folks love it. I say start over from scratch and do a Cummins swap.
metaspencer But I don't see why they would, since they're almost the exact same car. The Crosstrek isn't that much heavier. Meanwhile diesel models gets 6 gears.
At first thought I thought it could have to do with tire or wheel circumference differences, but I'm doubtful that the Crosstrek/XV has a smaller circumference ...
metaspencer I thought the exact same thing. I do know all Crosstrek trims have wider tires than some of the lower Impreza trims, but I'm pretty sure the circumference is the same between all models. I may look more into this, just out of curiosity.
Finally, another person who noticed the over revving problem when shifting and taking off from a still. It makes it impossible to fluently match the RPMs and shift at your own pace. I fucking hate that shit. The newer VW jettas do it even worse. Its like they tailored the ecu to compensate for someone who doesnt have a clue what they're doing. 🤢
Just bought a 2019 crosstrek. Your review is pretty accurate, overall the shifting experience is NOT impressive compared to many other manual transmissions. However, honestly I feel like it’s teaching you how to drive IT’S transmission. Kinda forget what you know about others. I’ve found that because of the slower shifting speeds amongst gears try shifting at higher revolutions(3-4K). Also, mine is a 6 speed and the stock shifter is much better than that atrocious stock thing yours had!
All of the vehicles I have had in my life (about 10), were all manual and all 4 cylinders. 3000 rpm at 70 mph and 4000 rpm at 80 mph is about standard for 5 speeds manual. Manuals have the great advantage of total control over the RPM and torque. A weak engine with an automatic finds life with a manual. It is so much better to pass cars on two lanes highways by down shifting a manual than can be done with an automatic.
I've only driven manuals, too, but have found a better gear range in modern sticks: like the VW Jetta, which I might have mentioned. It turns out that Subaru has gone with a 6 speed in the newer models, dealing with the high revs
Here are the 3 reasons to get the AUTOMATIC: 1) I get it. Hear me out..I drove manuals my entire life...BUT---Paddle shifters on the automatic do virtually the same thing. The automatic gets better gas mileage (huge reason people always got manual transmissions in the past) and the CVT shifts silky smooth, which is VERY beneficial on slippery surfaces like rain, slush, snow and ice. IE: the manual is not linear and can "BREAK" traction due to shifting into a actual gear, making it tricky to do that perfectly smooth every time like the auto. No bueno on ice. I mean think about it... 2) ALL snowmobiles use CVT transmissions, which makes total sense regarding the physics involved. One long smooth consistent acceleration is crucial when its on snow and ice. Deceleration is also enhanced by being consistent back down to standstill. Using the paddle shifters to slow down is magic on snow and ice. Just don't have to push a clutch...such a bummer? 3) Last and most importantly, the automatic goes quietly down the highway at 80. The manual sounds like a droning vacuum cleaner on high suck. It gets old fast. Get the paddle shifters w/CVT. I have driven both extensively. The Automatic CVT rocks.
I really want my vehicle(s) to last, so I tend to be pretty utilitarian when I drive my Subaru (I know..boring). I only use the paddles on downhills, uphills (rarely) and or slippery conditions. I love the way my car drives and corners, but I don't generally try to rev hard around corners rally'n it. Since it's all wheel drive all the time, I actually try to not torque the driveline by hard accelerations when the steering wheel is turned, and tend to time my accelerations for just before the turn(when the steering wheel is still straight), letting off during the apex and then accelerate again on the straight line pulls out of the turn (when the tires are straight again). If you truly want to rally around corners look at the rear wheel drive BRZ or the tunable WRX STI which lets you bias the differential to the rear wheels with a push of a button (still feels like a AWD, just less twister feel) they are both neat little carvers. BTW- I was a top producer in sales for Subaru for 2 years when I worked for them (2011-2013). I have driven everything they make extensively and currently have a 2012 Legacy 2.5 automatic. If I had a farm that I was driving around on and using the vehicle on dirt roads more than highways and such, I would consider the manual. But only in that context.
I actually think the Forester is where it's at for that particular chassis. It has the 2.5 and gets close in fuel economy with more power and it was named 2014 Motor Trend SUV of the Year. It's the one to get between the XV or Forester. It's dorky looking, but it is outstanding in every way. The Forester XT premium with Eyesight is my next car. So much car for the money. It's basically a 250 horsepower WRX with almost 9 inches of ground clearance and gets 28 mpg on highway. Total badass machine. It beat everyone in the Motor Trend shootout unanimously, including Audi SQ5 which is $60,000 MSRP.
Manual reported to have 2-3 mpg less than CVT. 1 repair on a CVT will likely exceed the mileage saving$ of CVT vs MT & Manual-fun & you’re driving not flicking buttons.
You can't get a CX-5 with both AWD and a manual and you loose ride height. You either get FWD w/manual, or AWD w/auto. Otherwise, they do have nice manuals, and they handle pretty neatly. I wish there was some other maker of AWD manual crossovers besides Subaru and Jeep. I'm still bummed that the new Forester XT only has a CVT... A sporty (turbo) AWD manual crossover is what I want to see more than anything.
Thanks for your thoughtful review. I completely agree with you. Thought you might like to hear of my recent experience with the car, a 2017 with about 2,000 miles. I am experiencing the exact same issue that you mention in your review: first and second gear are exceedingly sensitive, touchy, as you say, with little in the way of clutch "feedback' in regard to the actual sweet spot of engagement, which is particularly frustrating when on an incline in first gear. As you mentioned, third, forth and fifth work flawlessly.
It is odd to have such a well designed car with this such a noted problem.
For years I have driven manual transmissions (my other car is a 2001 special edition Miata), and am well versed in driving same. I love the added control that this offers in most cases.
It appears that 2018 now will feature the added 6th gear and, I believe a bit more power.
This, I imagine will be a very welcome addition to the evolution of the Crosstrek.
Thanks again for your note!
We're now at 18k miles in the car, and either the clutch has gotten broken in or it's broken me in. I still find it a bit touchy in the first two gears, but not too bad. My main complain continues to be the lack of adequate high-speed gearing, so I'm glad the 2018 may rectify that problem. It's a great car off road and in the snow!
I'm happy they brought the six speed option to the 2018 model.
+Kolt Bailey ... they did? Woohoo! So needed
I have a 2017 premium 5 speed and I think it sucks. I like the car, but hate how it drives. Most un-smooth vehicle I've ever driven, no clutch pedal feel; touchy throttle and horrible rev hang. Have always owned manuals and I enjoy driving, but this one just flat out sucks. YMMV
I have a 2020 Impreza and this is the SAME EXACT issue with its manual transmission as well. Subaru doesn't know how to make clutches or something because it is a dog compared to my Civic.
Your video was a nice surprise in that it mirrored my concerns with my 15 Impreza. I got rid of the OEM shift knob immediately and still have to consciously focus on shifting with 1-2nd gear to avoid jerking around like it’s my first time with a manual. I’ve driven manuals exclusively for 40 years!
Those manual transmission cars are getting harder to find -- but our Crosstrek is still going strong (and great in the snow). We got another Crosstrek a few years later with the 6-speed. It's a bit better
I’ve been able to shift my 15’ Impreza smoothly if you wait like 1.5 seconds before letting the clutch out, and let it out to about 3/4 of its travel, and apply just a tiny tiny bit of throttle. I also have a v6 accord with a 6 speed which is so much easier to drive smoothly. That thing has the best shifter and clutch feel ever.
Great review. I test drove the Cross Trek in 2016. I found it needing a 6th gear. The revs were a tad high in 5th. It needed a 6th.
From what I hear the 2019 version is getting that 6th speed in North America, a gear that has been in the car on other continents. Just took time.
Your right. It comes with the six speed now. I was told at a car show in 2017 (Canada) and I was actually waiting for this. The only issue I have now is the power to weight ratio, Im going to wait for a test drive. Im trying to watch reviews. But all the reviews do is talk through the car spec. They are dull as hell, tell you nothing about their interpretation of the drive and practically in everyday situations. Thats why I liked this video. No bullshit and to the point.
I drive a 2002 CRV Manual. You can manipulate the AWD by going in second with high revs to send power to the rear. But Honda stopped the manuals in 2005. I looked at Forrester manual but they stopped the manuals in 2018 and are hard to find.
I’ll tell you this: the power is not impressive. Pulling onto the highway with four people in the car is dicey compared to a turbo. But it’s a great snow car
Your video gave me some peace of mind, thank you! I was feeling like an idiot the first few weeks in my Crosstrek after having driven a WRX wagon for 12 years because it was taking off so jerky, even when I tried to feel it out better. I've successfully driven an STi with a really light clutch installed...so my 2014 Crosstrek really threw me off. I've gotten a little more used to it (3 months later). The rev hang drives me nuts, as I used to use engine braking a ton in my WRX. This thing maintains speed too well for that to even be very helpful anymore :( Still, I'm happy I was able to find this car. It was 40 minutes away, the right price, any only had 32,000 miles on it.
(And the dealership asked me like three times if I was aware it was manual. I'm like yeah, that's why I want it!)
Good to hear I'm not alone! We still love the car -- awesome in the snow -- but it's got it's own character
The "automatic" is a CVT - and is sluggish and a bit weird at 80 MPH here in Wyoming because of undulating highways. The CVT has a "manual" feature that I believe is fantastic. For highway driving, I exclusively use "manual" now that I've discovered it.
Paddle shifters work quicker than "stick shifters" to boot.
I tried those paddle shifters on the car I test drove, and really liked them! Very nice and easy to use. Of course, turning and shifting would be tough, but that situation probably doesn't come up that much. :)
Yeah, the paddle shifters are surprisingly nice. I use them all the time, too. I pull around 2100 RPM at 70, and maybe 2400 RPM at 80. I don't think the higher RPMs on the manual are a big deal, just might be slightly noisier on the highway. I was tempted by the stick version, but they didn't have one at my dealer either, and I just decided to get the CVT.
Yeah, I'm in Tallahasee, FL and in order to get my manual, I had to order my base level Impreza through a dealer 150 miles away in Gainesville who got it from another dealership 300 miles away in Melbourne. the only option it came with was the all-weather floor mats.
3,000 RPM is nothing for a Subaru. I cruise at 80 all the time.
Of course, don't forget, the Crosstrek is supposed to be an offroad vehicle so it's going to get the lower gear ratios. My Impreza is still close to 3,000 but considering that the redline is over 6K, I'm not concerned. i routinely sustain over 3,000 RPM when pulling a heavy trailer.
I was surprised to learn that the dealers don't stock stick shifts -- but I guess folks like the ease of the automatic. I guess I'll just have to get used to the high revs ...
I just checked tonight on the way to work. 60MPH has me about 2,600 RPM and 80 is about 3,300. Redline is about 7,000 so we're nowhere near maxing the engine out
Gene Floyd Tallahassee? I'm in Jacksonville. we have the number one subaru dealership. the crosstrek is good but sluggish when merging on to the highway or starting from a stop light.
Are you driving the automatic, Gene?
metaspencer yes. I have leg problems.
The rpms are actually pretty reasonable for a small displacement 4 cylinder. I had a Mazda 6 with a 2.3 it reved at 3000 rpm at 60 mph, the Crosstrek revs the same as my old Ranger 5 speed 2.3 at 60 mph. At 60 mph you need to keep the rpms up there's a lot of resistance against the car and a small 4 cylinder won't produce enough power below 2000 rpm realistically. I've driven both the 5 speed and cvt Impreza and the cvt is a bit annoying on anything besides a flat open highway. Any small dip in the road or any increase speed needed requires the cvt to increase rpms from 1500 rpm and downshift and I do mean really any small dip or speed change, it becomes annoying and would be nice if it reved higher like the 5pd. The test I did on the cvt and 5 speed for mpg on the same stretch of road and conditions same day the 5 speed did slightly better than the cvt for mpg.
+Bass Ackwards ... all well said. Now my old turbo diesel 4 cylinder had major power, but that’s another animal
In Germany the 2.0 has a 6 Gear Manual with 150 PS. And it s offerd as 1.6 114 PS with the 5 Gear with Low Range. And we also have a 2.0 Diesel
Okay, that does it: I'm moving to Germany! You guys have all the great cars!
andreas frank same as in UK, its a great car. I love Subarus
Maybe I'm spoiled by US car offerings, but 114 PS in a 3200 lb, AWD car would be glacially slow!
@@metaspencer Only problem tho they went from metal linkage to cables and it feels really weird and soft to shift. It's still decent, but not as fun as more properly made manual transmission, including tighter feeling cable shifters in other cars i driven.
@@Kacpa2 bummer! a tight connection makes all the difference
Nice! I also have a 2.0i base trim, and that rubber knob and steering wheel were such a bummer, it felt needlessly cheap in what is a nice car. I opted for the STI shift knob, and also swapped out the steering wheel with a leather wrapped one from an Outback. for $40 its a nice upgrade.
Those are great ideas. I've looked at a couple of knobs, but haven't bought one yet. Can you just unscrew the existing knob? Or maybe you need to put a pair of pliers on the stick itself when unscrewing?
metaspencer yeah, the OEM one just unscrews. And the shift boot just slides off the bottom of the knob. Easy change. The hardest part is finding the one you want!
excellent. I've ordered and new one and can't wait to put it on
Would you say the clutch is heavier than other daily drivers? I test drove a 15 Impreza (should be close enough) and the clutch was extremely heavy, way heavier than anything daily driver I have tried.
I wouldn’t say heavy ... I’d call it tight and touchy
metaspencer thank you. I thought that clutch was broken
2:50 I think you're talking about rev hang.
Yep, you've got it. Having previously had older vehicles I wasn't aware of it. Good call!
@@metaspencer Same here. I am coming from a Honda Civic more than 10 years old and the new Impreza has been annoying to drive for now. It's only been two weeks, so I'm hoping I'll get used to it. I also don't like how clunky the shifter is and how strange the clutch feels.
@@brotendo Having had the Crosstrek a couple years now, I can tell you that I have gotten used to it. But it's still not my favorite manual (I have a couple of trucks with stick shifts). I bet that IMprezza has some power!
Nice video metaspencer, what version is your Crosstrek, looks like a base one? I got a Sport CVT in mid August and I really love it. At first, I was not a big fan of the CVT (always had manual cars) but it is by far the best CVT I have tried so far! My only gripe is the lag when you floor it, but I have read and noticed that it is a lot quicker when you put the throttle about 3/4 down.
It definitely needs a turbo but I have noticed that it really shines in the snow! I live in Eastern Ontario and winter can be extreme! I had the most fun in manual mode in a parking lot with a good 7 inches of snow! :)
This is my second AWD, I previously had a Suzuki SX4 which was a blast for winter drift but the Crosstrek is a notch above!
As for the interior, I really like it and prefer it to my parent's 2017 Forester, which was bought the same day as my Crosstrek! :D
We did get the base model with the manual. I test drove the CVT and really liked it, but just couldn't figure out how you could use those paddle shifters while turning. The paddles seems like a nice idea but not for driving on roads that are anything but straight.
As for lag, I know what you mean: it's just not the most powerful engine. But with that said, snow performance is excellent!
Yeah paddles shifting has a learning curve!! I rarely use them though
I bought a 2016 CVT Crosstrek last winter. The manual wasn't available with the sunroof, and I wanted the sunroof. A Webasto sunroof could work for those of you with a manual Crosstrek. I like the chain-driven CVT with paddles OK so far. It feels better than a 4cyl/CVT Altima I rented a few years ago.
This little hatch is HEAVY. It feels like a Grand Tourer to me, on the road, rather than a sporty hatch. My '95 Jeep YJ had a similar curb weight.
The ride is surprisingly nice for such a small economy car (especially considering the solid-feeling handling for basically a LIFTED Impreza hatch), and the boxer motor is smoother than most 4cyls I have had.
I already have skids, a high-flow cotton airfilter, yellow fogs, an Eco-hitch, a multi-mount winch, and 225/60-17 AT Trails. Rockers and a rear diff-locker are next. Intake spacers may follow too. The 2.0L could use a bit more power, IMO.
MPG is way better than EPA ratings, but I use the cruise a LOT on my 50mile commute. I've gotten 45+MPG on a tank, with stock tires. I can still get 35-40MPG with the taller AT Trails.
Cool report ... we also have a 2019 Crosstrek now with the 6-speed stick. Cool cars and GREAT in the snow. Unstopable
@@metaspencer how would you compare manual to cvt in the new gen crosstrek for light off roading? How would you compare the awd systems
@@Mrfix-iz4di I also have a 2020 XTrex with a manual -- an improvement for sure. I'm not an automatic transmission guy tho
Thank you for the video. Decided to buy my mother in laws XV (cross trek in Australia) off of her. It’s a 2015 but the odd thing is, it’s a 6 speed. Not sure why we got the extra overdrive gear
yeah they put different transmissions in them -- here in the States they started getting the 6'th gear a few years ago. Lower revs on the highway so you're psyched, mate!
European version of XV/Crosstrek has a 6 speed, difference is that they switched from metal/rod linkage to cables and way its mounted is a bit more flimsy, its really good on the highway and ratioes are perfect, its just not as good as it could be if they stuck to metal linkage. I think that they just put that EU/JDM spec transmission and shifter to 2nd generation Crosstrek in USA.
Yeah, I've heard that the new Crosstreks in the US have a 6 speed ... now they just need a turbo and slightly bigger engine
Your video is as correct as it gets! I have a 2015 crosstrek 5 speed with 32 thousand miles, do you feel that 1st and 2nd feel a-little bit Notchy when shifting? Also in first gear my engine is very loud lol.
Yep, 1st and 2nd are a bit notchy but you get used to it. Ours has 70k on it now and we have a newer 2020 with the 6 speed. Great snow cars!
How is the paint holding up? I've read they chip real easy up front...
+tfpjr ... I've heard the same thing, but mine is fine
Mine has 2 little chips. I'm sealing them and painting the leading edge and the roof with Herculiner.
Nice
It seems like the few MT cars available today tend to have a short cruising gear, even if they have 6th gears. No wonder automatics are now getting better MPGs. We had a hard time buying a new 2012 Honda Fit Sport in 5MT and when the 3rd generation came out with a 6th gear it was the same ratio as our 5th gear even if it had more HP. We're now in the market for the new Impreza Sport hatch in MT or the upcoming Crosstrek if they offer it in MT. Since dealers aren't carrying any MTs in stock we might finally surrender to the +$800 CVT, which obviously gets better mileage, better for resale, and Eyesight becomes available. My real concern is how much acceleration and fun driver involvement the CVT kills.
Everything you say I agree with. Everything is pushing us to buy automatic transmissions, and your story about the 5th and 6th gears being the same is crazy. I had a Jetta with a 6th gear that was perfect at high speeds ... but I had to sell it back.
Good luck with your new Impreza Sport! It's gonna have some power and be fun to drive either way.
It doesn't even need a 6th gear, just a taller 5th gear. It should already be a tad lighter with no torque converter so I don't understand why they can't give it a similar cruising gear ratio as the automatic. I don't want more wasteful RPMs, less mpgs than the CVT, and I don't mind dropping a gear to pass a truck. Rowing the gears is why we want a manual. Heck, my wife wants the manual and that's rare!
Well said: a 6th gear is just how some makers have made highway driving possible at low RPMs ... a better 5th would be great. It's too bad about the high RPMs on the manual, as I also really like everything else about it.
2016 had a 4.44 ratio hence the highway rpms. My 15 impreza is 4.11. Was hoping to swap for the treks 4.44 but cant find any crashed anywhere
Yeah our newer XTrex now has a 6 speed which is better ... you'll find one
Is it geared wide enough to skip 2nd?
In the right situation you can do it (like a downhill stretch of road)
I am curious on your opinion if this would be a good first car to get in stick. I have driven stick shift cars before but never my own as an everyday vehicle. Looking at this because of the standard AWD option since i live in the snowy northeast.
I have mixed feelings about the stick shift in this car. On the plus side, it's very hard to find stick-shift cars these days! On the negative side, the shifting is a bit touchy at the lower gears ... and the transmission is geared in such a way that you get very high RPMs on the highway.
The best thing about the stick is how it performs off road and in snow, in my opinion. In those conditions, it's unbeatable. The manual transmission also splits the power evenly between front and rear wheels, which is nice.
metaspencer That's what I've heard. I know Subaru makes decent gearboxes. Hopefully I can test drive it
The only other options with a stick that were even close to our price range were Jeep and Toyota (the tacoma) ... not many options these days
Is the Crosstrek manual 50/50 instead of FWD biased like the CVT version?
yeah the cvt is 60/40 ... I prefer the manual in so many ways and new ones are 6 speed in north america finally
@metaspencer I heard that the new generation doesn't have manual transmission, maybe it's just in my country, such a pity Subaru doesn't have more manual option other than the WRX and BRZ..
So did they give you a 2015 model? The interior doesn't look like my 2016 with the orange stitching.
I got the basic, cheapest trim model. I'm too cheap to pay for orange stitching. :)
30 combined or on the highway? I was thinking of a Crosstrek and will use it to commute to work. all highway and was curious about the highway mpg.
+Chad Spidle 30 highway ... I never measure combined. Downside for us is small space n low power. Awesome in snow
My 2010 outback has 6 gears. Interesting that newer crosstrek is still 5 gears
That's so wild! The 2020 XTrek in North America is now a 6 speed, as I hear ... that extra gear of yours must be really nice on the highway
metaspencer oh I wonder why they do that. Upgrade the outback earlier. Silly. Yes the 6th gear is my fuel saver on the highway. I think every car should have it
How many gears does an STI have? I wonder if he can swap in a transmission from the WRX..
Oh that would be sweeeeeeet
I hear the new Crosstrek (2019) will have a 6-speed in manual ... if so, maybe a wrecked one could be salvaged
I think 2018 M has 6th gear.
Would be sweet
my theory is they want us to buy that damn cvt.
I ended up buying a Forester to get a very nice 6 speed ans the torquey 2.5.
my girlfriend as a manual crosstrek and we basically get the same fuel mileage. Down side is, my manual touring forester is a very nice , quiet and soft OLD MAN CAR. I'm going back to impreza , but I will be stuck with that 5 speed.
unless they build me an 2018 hatchback wrx
I agree with your theory: no auto maker wants to sell multiple versions of the same car, so they promote the automatic. Going along with that, many people no longer want to drive a stick. Impreza sounds fun: more power!
Hi Metaspencer love the videos of the Subaru in the snow so nice and they run great . I know what you meen with the 5speed I have a 2015 Subaru XV as the are Cold here in Sweden and it is a 2.0 diesel 150hk and it have a 6speed so doing 55-60 mils it have 1600 rpm
Stefan Persson I envy your diesel! if only we could buy them in NAmerica
What mpg do you get with it?
+Chad Spidle ... around 30 depending on load
I thought there 6 speed well in Australia they are
Yeah they hav six speeds here in the US now too
Such a bummer they killed the MT post 2023. Just purchased a used 2017.
I didn't know that! oh dang ... we got a 2021 manual and it's sweet with that 6 speed
@ Yup. The first gen has a 5 speed. Fun to drive but the low gearing takes some adjustment. A little frustrating on the freeway going 70 at over 3000 rpm. Great camping car at the end, though.
Taller tires would not only lower RPMs at higher speeds, but would also increase fuel economy. The trade off is slightly slower acceleration.
interesting idea ... perhaps a lift kit would accomodate the larger tires
Yep, that is where I was going with this. Crosstreks look sweet lifted with the right wheel/tire combo. Lifting vehicles generally lowers fuel efficiency a tad, but I think it would still benefit @ highway speeds. And if you do any off roading it is a no brainer. If sticking to the streets I would see if a slightly taller tire would clear(google search forums) without lifting next time you need new tires.
great idea ... lower RPMs would be nice
@@BornN2Grave1 225/60R17s fit 1st-gen Crosstreks on stock rims without a lift or trimming. 215/75R15s fit with the right rims.
The taller AT Trails I have are a bit heavier than all-season tires, and the speedo/odo reading is changed, but I still read 35+MPG per tank with cruise used at 55-65MPH.
Cool. I run blizzaks
I really love my stick shift CrossTrek, but the problem I have is that if I change gears lower than 3k I will always hear the engine knocking... yes, cruising on a flat road is not problem after getting momentum... the problem is when lifting and getting to the cruising speed. The dealer said to change gas or to change gears at a higher RPM, around 2.5 to 3.5... I've been doing that and I don't hear the knocking, but this is the first stick shift I ever drove that requires that. Has any one else encounter this problem?
+Ze Za ... I haven't had knocking, but always shift over 2500 ... I'm eager to hear what others experience
Will do... thanks. It is reassuring to hear that this car should be shifted at least around 2,500 RPMs.
Metaspencer, you and one other person all over the internet (for now) are the only ones that have talked about the high RPMs (specially for the manual transmission). I was thinking of trading my 2015 for the 2017 because I thought mine had an issue. Now I will keep it, until 2022 at least if that model is way better, if not, I'll keep this one which I love by the way.
Anyhow, that other guy, AWDfreak (www.subaruxvforum.com/forum/engine-drivetrain/48873-5-speed-manual-transmission-feedback-5.html) said this which I have found to be happening with my XV (brackets [ ] are my comments):
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1st gear is short, but I personally want it a tiny bit shorter. [I like it just the way it is]
2nd gear is perfect, especially for aggressive passing at speeds between 35 MPH and 55 MPH. It's also the gear I use most for my fun mountain pass drives.
3rd gear is also fine as it, I use it for freeway/highway passing up until 85 MPH. [I never go over 3rd gear on the street - up to 45 mph]
4th gear is the gear I use for passing above 85 MPH and the gear I use to get very near top speed. I like how the tach and speedo are nearly perfectly in sync when I'm in 4th. [I use 4th gear from 45 mph to 70 mph and it feels just right that way with my XV]
5th gear, being the only overdrive gear, needless to say, is the fuel-saving gear once above 40 MPH. Not recommended for any kind of acceleration except for top speed. [I only use 5th gear if over 75 mph]
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If I shift lower than these speeds for the respective gears I will hear engine knocking always... don't you? If I drive it like AWDfreak describes I will never hear engine knocking and it feels powerful, peppy... So far, I have gotten used to the high RPMs and I'm loving it... specially when doing double-clutching (no revving with double clutching though). Heal-toe is not easy to do on this car and I found it not necessary, yet...
Thank you both. My mind is at ease now about this RPM subject.
Thanks for the detailed note! In general, I agree with the notes from AWD Freak. For me, I don't follow strict rules for shifting (speed or RPMs) but tend to go with the feel and sound of the situation. Hills and what I'm towing will often influence shifting times. But I never hear knocking and you certainly don't ever want to lug an engine. Take care!
Sorry if this was already posted or if you've already seen it, but here's the Engineering Explained guy commenting on his own manual transmission equipped 2016 Subaru Crosstrek. He talks about the transmission too, and says some of the same things: th-cam.com/video/4CF6ibHBuqs/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the link! Cool to see
i think we're scared or high rpms cause we're used to old tractor engines and old school american v8s. most small engines like to rev. motorcycles got me used to that, my old honda sits at 5k rpm on the interstate and redlines at 10k
Having driven the XTrek now for a few years, I know what you mean: I had been driving a diesel VW that had very low RPMs on the highway ... now I'm more used to running at 4k
If I'm not mistaken these in manual are a better choice anyways b/c they split shell drive 50/50 to the front and rear while the automatics are split 70 front 30 rear
*wheel drive not shell drive
Yes, I've read the same thing: the all-wheel drive system in the manual transmission cars is more mechanical and less electronic. In my own experience, the manual is REALLY GREAT on snow and ice. I've been very impressed.
Automatic are not split 70/30, actually do some research before posting misinformation. On normal conditions the CVT splits it 60/40 and when the ESD detects there are traction problems the computer automatically splits it 50/50.
It balances it out while the manual doesn't. Also the manual uses more gas.
Aoru notice the first few words were "If I'm not mistaken" learn to read before you start place "facts" in my mouth jackhole
762forMeandYou Says the guy telling me im placing facts in your mouth when you're the one spewing misinformation. Ironic.
I got 2013 5spd I replace shifter with a ball shifter
Ball is nice. Good idea
@@metaspencer I got Arenbel Ball Shift Knob on amazon it screws right in just need figure out what to use keep fabric right up other than that I like it
Please consider that this car has a horizontally opposed 4 cylinder vs inline 4 and awd when comparing it to i4 fwd gear ratios
i drive at least 80 on the highway sometimes 100+... lol id hate that... my CVT is at 2,500 at 80 and like 3200 at 100... i dont love the CVT... im a racecar guy and generally like a manual... but not if its got too short of gearing... that would be super annoying for me... im on my second crosstrek.. the first one has 200k and the one i just bought has 70k... the old ones CVT doesnt always shift when i want or shifts when i dont want... the newer one is much much better... i also drove a new 2025 and decided the used one fels no different and decided to savve some money... and i already have a car woth of spares... minus a headgasket... the first car was super reliable till the headgasket went at 200k... and even then still drove me around for four months as long as i added water daily... it still runs and drive now and im probably gonna put a used motor in it and keep it for a spare vehicle.
Yeah do the engine swap! You’ll find one. We have a second xtrek now and it’s geared a bit better and has 6th
Im in the UK, 3100 rpm in fifth gear is not that high. My Abarth 500 had five speed, and at 70mph it was doing about 2900 rpm, and felt fine. Anything above 3500 rpm on any car at cruising speed I find is unrelaxing and a bit noisy. Secondly, in the UK this Subaru has 6 speed manual, which I would like next, and would make a big difference. Ive driven the Impreza hatch which has 5 speed manual and even at 70 it was fine because the engine settles down and having character with being a boxer engine it was not a problem at speed. Enjoy,
Okay, that does it: I'm moving to the UK to get a 6-speed! Sounds awesome
Have a 2016 Sti crosstrek, low miles, with the CVT. Now that I know it over revs with a manual 5 speed, it's just more depressing news. Anyone interested in doing a Cummins 2.8 swap in a crosstrek that will function, it seems more practical and would love to eliminate stress and worry about the crosstrek once and for all good riddens, and sianara to the stress mess. Let's do a Cummins r2.8t and be done with it, whoever wants to do this I'm game.
That would be a really cool swap and perfect solution to the revs issue ... I'd love to see it!
I see a whole shop being setup for this with the fall of Subaru, even the Toyota landcruisers are swapping to the r2.8 Cummins, and folks love it. I say start over from scratch and do a Cummins swap.
A really great idea ... I'll have to check out those landcruisers ... that would be so, so sweet
The reason that there would be room enough for this is because the crosstrek looks ok lifted, that allows more room for whatcha wanna do.
Weight would be a factor, but it would be cool
Weird, I have a 2016 Impreza and it revs to around 2900RPM at 70MPH. Still not great but 200RPM is significant.
Yeah, they just geared them differently. Crazy, right?
metaspencer But I don't see why they would, since they're almost the exact same car. The Crosstrek isn't that much heavier. Meanwhile diesel models gets 6 gears.
At first thought I thought it could have to do with tire or wheel circumference differences, but I'm doubtful that the Crosstrek/XV has a smaller circumference ...
metaspencer I thought the exact same thing. I do know all Crosstrek trims have wider tires than some of the lower Impreza trims, but I'm pretty sure the circumference is the same between all models. I may look more into this, just out of curiosity.
Lol just ordered one of these sight unseen… deposit was put down without ever seeing it much less driving it
Yer gonna love it in the snow. Great snow car
Rev hangs man. And yes, Subaru needs to update to 6spd.
I hear the 6-speed manual is coming soon in North America ...
The 2018 crosstrek has the 6spd.
@@YocoWheelin gotta be an improvement
And here we are, in 2020, and manuals are still every bit as hard to find at dealers. They disappear fast!
But I hear they're greatly improved with a 6 speed! :)
Finally, another person who noticed the over revving problem when shifting and taking off from a still. It makes it impossible to fluently match the RPMs and shift at your own pace. I fucking hate that shit. The newer VW jettas do it even worse. Its like they tailored the ecu to compensate for someone who doesnt have a clue what they're doing. 🤢
Yup you said it super annoying
Just bought a 2019 crosstrek. Your review is pretty accurate, overall the shifting experience is NOT impressive compared to many other manual transmissions. However, honestly I feel like it’s teaching you how to drive IT’S transmission. Kinda forget what you know about others. I’ve found that because of the slower shifting speeds amongst gears try shifting at higher revolutions(3-4K). Also, mine is a 6 speed and the stock shifter is much better than that atrocious stock thing yours had!
6 speeds is a big improvement... awesome car in the snow and fun in many ways ... enjoy it!!
WTF is touchyer?
I think what you're talking about is the word "touchier" ... means more touchy or oversensitive
All of the vehicles I have had in my life (about 10), were all manual and all 4 cylinders. 3000 rpm at 70 mph and 4000 rpm at 80 mph is about standard for 5 speeds manual.
Manuals have the great advantage of total control over the RPM and torque. A weak engine with an automatic finds life with a manual. It is so much better to pass cars on two lanes highways by down shifting a manual than can be done with an automatic.
I've only driven manuals, too, but have found a better gear range in modern sticks: like the VW Jetta, which I might have mentioned. It turns out that Subaru has gone with a 6 speed in the newer models, dealing with the high revs
VW, Fiat, Subaru, Jeep? What a terrible choice of vehicles when there are so many other (actually) good vehicles on the road.
Here are the 3 reasons to get the AUTOMATIC:
1) I get it. Hear me out..I drove manuals my entire life...BUT---Paddle shifters on the automatic do virtually the same thing. The automatic gets better gas mileage (huge reason people always got manual transmissions in the past) and the CVT shifts silky smooth, which is VERY beneficial on slippery surfaces like rain, slush, snow and ice.
IE: the manual is not linear and can "BREAK" traction due to shifting into a actual gear, making it tricky to do that perfectly smooth every time like the auto. No bueno on ice. I mean think about it...
2) ALL snowmobiles use CVT transmissions, which makes total sense regarding the physics involved. One long smooth consistent acceleration is crucial when its on snow and ice. Deceleration is also enhanced by being consistent back down to standstill. Using the paddle shifters to slow down is magic on snow and ice. Just don't have to push a clutch...such a bummer?
3) Last and most importantly, the automatic goes quietly down the highway at 80. The manual sounds like a droning vacuum cleaner on high suck. It gets old fast. Get the paddle shifters w/CVT. I have driven both extensively. The Automatic CVT rocks.
The more I drive the stick the more I think you might be right. But how do you turn and paddle shift? That seems like playing twister.
I really want my vehicle(s) to last, so I tend to be pretty utilitarian when I drive my Subaru (I know..boring). I only use the paddles on downhills, uphills (rarely) and or slippery conditions. I love the way my car drives and corners, but I don't generally try to rev hard around corners rally'n it.
Since it's all wheel drive all the time, I actually try to not torque the driveline by hard accelerations when the steering wheel is turned, and tend to time my accelerations for just before the turn(when the steering wheel is still straight), letting off during the apex and then accelerate again on the straight line pulls out of the turn (when the tires are straight again).
If you truly want to rally around corners look at the rear wheel drive BRZ or the tunable WRX STI which lets you bias the differential to the rear wheels with a push of a button (still feels like a AWD, just less twister feel) they are both neat little carvers.
BTW- I was a top producer in sales for Subaru for 2 years when I worked for them (2011-2013). I have driven everything they make extensively and currently have a 2012 Legacy 2.5 automatic. If I had a farm that I was driving around on and using the vehicle on dirt roads more than highways and such, I would consider the manual. But only in that context.
I actually think the Forester is where it's at for that particular chassis. It has the 2.5 and gets close in fuel economy with more power and it was named 2014 Motor Trend SUV of the Year. It's the one to get between the XV or Forester. It's dorky looking, but it is outstanding in every way. The Forester XT premium with Eyesight is my next car. So much car for the money. It's basically a 250 horsepower WRX with almost 9 inches of ground clearance and gets 28 mpg on highway. Total badass machine. It beat everyone in the Motor Trend shootout unanimously, including Audi SQ5 which is $60,000 MSRP.
Yep!
Manual reported to have 2-3 mpg less than CVT. 1 repair on a CVT will likely exceed the mileage saving$ of CVT vs MT & Manual-fun & you’re driving not flicking buttons.
Mazda CX 5 would have been better
Really? Do you have one?
You can't get a CX-5 with both AWD and a manual and you loose ride height. You either get FWD w/manual, or AWD w/auto. Otherwise, they do have nice manuals, and they handle pretty neatly. I wish there was some other maker of AWD manual crossovers besides Subaru and Jeep. I'm still bummed that the new Forester XT only has a CVT... A sporty (turbo) AWD manual crossover is what I want to see more than anything.
Agreed, Derek: there isn't much diversity in the marketplace! Emission regs have killed a few manuals, according to what I've read
The aftermarket support for the Crosstrek continues to grow.