Vietnamese Crude Blowback 1911 Copy
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ย. 2016
- This is an example of a craft-made pistol captured in Vietnam and brought back to the US. While many Vietnamese fighters were supplied with good-quality weapons from other nations (primarily Chinese-made AK and SKS rifles), weapons are virtually never in sufficient supply for guerrilla-type forces and that forces improvisation. In this case, some Vietnamese hops tried to fabricate copies of American weapons - in this case a 1911 pistol.
This pistol was clearly made by someone who did not fully understand its mechanical elements. The safety, for example, is fixed solidly in place, and neither moves nor would function as a safety if it did move. Interestingly, under the left grip panel is an out-of-battery safety that was not used in the 1911 itself, but is common to other similar pistols - and it is constructed in such as way as to not actually function.
The most significant functional concern with this pistol is that it has no locking system, and functions simply as a blowback pistol. This is seen in other insurgent-type arms as well, like the Spanish Civil War Izard. This would quickly batter itself to pieces if used, as the slide and spring are definitely too light to safely fire its .45ACP ammunition.
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This gun is a physical representation of me trying to copy my friend's math homework and trying to show my work at the same time.
STAHLHELM TURTLE underrated comment
Lol
I see you alot
@@dandesso8926 okay....
STAHLHELM TURTLE on other videos I see your comments
This is a functional firearm, in that if you load it and pull the trigger, the list of objects suddenly accelerating away from the gun will probably include a bullet.
Lol
And fingers, bits of hand etc
As much as it’s non functions, I gotta imagine the designer was like a savant gunsmith in the middle of the jungle. Pull him out and put him in an Enfield or Colt factory and watch him whip up some magic. I sure as shit couldn’t make a replica even 1/10 as good as this, even if it’s still crap.
The iron man of gunsmithing
Well said sir. If I was stuck in the middle of a jungle I would consider a makeshift hut and a hammock as the limits of my crafting ability. Stumbling out of the jungle with a basically working self-loading pistol ....not so much
I might trust it if it was 7.62 tokarev.
Vietnam during the Vietnam war just just hurr durr jungle though, this might as well have been an early copy produced in a northern Vietnamese civilian factory that was converted into a weapons factory in the beginning of the war
"I sure as shit couldn’t make a replica even 1/10 as good as this, even if it’s still crap."
this 100% but even with the best possible shop full of equipment one could ask for, let alone basically nothing in a jungle.
"So we made a 1911." *Hmmm* "Its straight blowback" *Ah Hmmm* "And we brazed it together" *Hmmm uh hmmm, you do know there are easier ways to make a hand grenade right*
much harder to make one your enemy would take and activate himself, on himself.
Sry bit new to guns... whats wrong with straight blowback, someone please tell me before I kill myself trying to find out the old fashioned way
@@valeriandamoclesmarcellus8756 The problem isn't really with the action itself, it's the gun using it. Straight blowback requires a good spring and heavier slide to operate reliably. As the video description says, it would batter itself to pieces. The spring is too light and the metalwork probably isn't strong enough to withstand the forces of the round it's firing.
@@AkkaOniVA hi this is his friend.... he found out himself why the gun was a disaster waiting to happen..... at least he left me his account tho, thanks for helping he would have appreciated your advice
@@AkkaOniVA I would love to buy this in order to pull the trigger with a piece of rope whilst standing 10 feet away behind an inch of plexiglass
nice grenade u got there
Timothy White suicide grenade to be exact
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This comment is pretty fucking funny
“Hand” grenade
Tactical hand amputator
Whoever made that gun had the skills to make a functioning gun, if they knew how one actually worked.
That gun will work once, but it might hurt you more than it hurts them.
Your right, but if they had gone for a .22 or a .32 and a single shot they would have been OK. That gun has more complex metal work than a Sten gun does.
Judging by that out of battery lever, I think who ever built this did build a .32 copy at one time and knew just enough about firearms to make a simple blow back....not enough to make a locked .45, ha.
Nah, it's just as safe as a Sig P320
This is like almost a genius.
You know, coming back to this, when you consider who was making it, under the circumstances they were making it, this is a rather amazing reproduction. It didn't make it all the way certainly, but impressive all the same.
I'd love to see this sort of thing added to the National Museum of the Marine Corps' Vietnam collection.
There's actually a lot of Vietnamese homemade/crude factory guns in museums there. Hanoi's main military museum has dozens on display.
TwoHeavens It’s also important to remember that the person who made it likely had to make a lot of them in a short period. Of time, with limited tools.
Gimme some kind of rubber buffer (like, slide some fuel line tubing over the recoil spring or something) and the weakest load you can find and it'd probably function well enough. In fact, looking down the barrel at the copper scrapes, the cracking brazing around the "bushing" and at all the fretting on moving/impact surfaces, I think it DID function several times already.
@@LenKusov It probably functioned for testing but the maker didn't have time to finish. My theory was this was made in a civilian environment and the operation was being done in a sort of a underground way. However the US raided the business this was built in and captured the firearms, since the US assumed it wasn't functional allowed a soldier to keep it as a souvenir. If given the time it would've been given locking lugs, and a functional safety.
you and so many people just basically repeat what the video says and a bunch of people will throw hundreds or thousands of likes on a comment that adds nothing to the topic. i dont understand this world and i dont belong here.
This gun reminds me of a story my grandfather once told. In the late 1930s he and his friends made a "blunderbuss" out of some wood and metal piping and other materials available to labourers' and farmers' sons. They loaded it up, but then they got cold feet. So, instead of just firing it they tied it to a tree and fired it remotely, whether with the help of a long stick with a burning match or a string pull (he never told whether it was touch hole design or if it had a trigger, nor whether it used loose powder or a cartridge or a shotgun shell. Hell, the far as I know the guys may have used a land-clearing explosive, so called "stump bombs," widely used by farmers at the time).
The result was just as expected: the whole gun exploded and tore the bark of the trunk, shattering and blackening it in the process. They never dabbled in "firearms engineering" ever since.
They were smart to get cold feet
@@commandercody2980 I wholeheartedly agree.
that aint cold feet, thats just common sense
Patrick F. McManus would be impressed with your grandfather's efforts.
Nonono, Ian you did not understand what that is. It is not a gun. It is a remarkable example of those vietnamese boobytraps left on the side of roads for soldiers dumb enough to say "hey let's pick that up and see if it works".
Just like the US put C4 RDX into 7.62x39mm cartridges and hope the VC picks them up so they go boom.
Doubt it. It still took many many hours of work to produce. Why put all that time in for a one use booby trap? More likely it was meant to shoot underpowered loads.
GoldenGuns762 Hey guys!! Here we have a fine specimen of the "obvious-comment-because-does-not-understand-jokes" guy!!
Jacopo Toniazzo
I think my serious comment might have helped that misunderstanding.
Nah man, your comment was historically accurate, significant and something different from specifying the obvious
I'm pretty sure if this gun could talk, it would be begging for someone to kill it. Also, Ian, you should consider having a "Comically Malformed Guns" series.
Check out Ian's video about the Iraqi Tariq as well.
You must be joking. This gun had hours poured into by some guy with a hammer and a file in a jungle. It's amazing for what it is. Any yahoo can press the "start" button on a modern CNC machine and pop out a nice 1911. In this case, so guy was handed a 1911 and told "Make this. Feel free to use that old bicycle and some pots and pans to do so"
I'm not saying what was achieved wasn't impressive, it's much better than what I could ever produce (as Ian pointed out, most regular folks would too.) However, this does not mean that I cannot point out how misshapen and faulty the design is.
I am fairly sure the average person would have better luck building a bloody 15th century style cannon.
+G36Ghost Can it fire a 45 acp cartridge? Does it have any measure of accuracy? If so, it serves its porpouse.
It seems like someone wanted this as a status symbol, and a very crafty guy with a torch some files and probably no electricity cobbled together a look a like 1911. A very impressive achievement.
Related to status symbol = symbol of authority. Displayed on hip, to scare people. Americans are prone to firing their guns, but in many parts of the world just brandishing a gun will have the desired effect. I lived in Cambodia, and 'big men' would draw a weapon and put it on the bar to let everyone know they mean business. The bigger and more chrome on the gun, the better. (junk guns)
That makes sense. If they wanted to handcraft something which actually works and can be used, they would have used a smaller caliber, because smaller calibers can actually be used as simple blow-back, and are less likely to blow up in your face if your steel is not of the best quality. Or they could have made a break-action derringer or something, doesn't look so cool but it would be much more practically useful as a survival pistol, than this attempt at copying the 1911.
By the way, the fact that the front of the slide is decorated to look like a 1911 is another clue for this to be made as a status symbol instead of a functional guerilla weapon.
Ho Chi Minh actually gifted people with 1911s, that he got from his initial aid from USA. If you go to museums in Vietnam, you see a lot of "This random revolutionary dude from this city was gifted a 1911 by Ho Chi Minh and here it is under glass for you to look at." I'm guessing this gun could have a storyline of a pretender wanting something so he could say he got it from Bac Ho himself, who knows, though.
@@puppieslovies Yeah you would, people did it a lot in Warlord Era China.
Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave! With a box of scraps!
So I see Hi-point has started making 1911's.
Hi Points actually WORK lol
Lmao
Hi points are actually well made. Just heavy with low round counts
R/wooooooosh
I'd take this over a high point any day of the week
I know its a piece of shit, but if i was handed a 1911 and made this thing from scratch i would be pretty damn proud of myself lol. Im sure it at least fired, I know its just terrable but I think they did a decent job for the resources they had
finished the breakdown, I redact my statment haha
Lets be honest, no one was payed for this
Frist Name Last Name Or a CZ75
Frist Name Last Name I mean it's not that much worse than the actual 1911 give me the original Browning or the excellent Soviet TT-33 any day
PrOntEZC I will point out that was made by communists.
9:17 My teacher looking at my homework
Ok you've got me right there 😆
LOL
Copies something and does not know what it does
“There are no locking lugs”
“Oh”
it's a blowback. We don' need no steeeenkin' locking lugs ! That tiny brazed on mounting lug on the bottom should be JUUUST fine !! ;-)
looks like a blast to shoot.
Emphasis on "blast"
You might say, this gun is the bomb.
if anyone still doesn't get it this guns gonna blow up if you fire it so watch out!!!!! XD
lol
oh the puns on this channel. :)
It's so beautiful in it own ugly way.
Lord Bryant This one's different
max headroom
(dun dunn dun)
Why are talking about my ex gf? 😂😂
"Mom, can I have a M1911?"
"We already have a M1911 at home"
M1911 at home:
2020 Edit: Fucking hilarious how a simple comment gets everyone all riled up. Chill the fuck out.
what? whats does that even mean? stfu with this stupid goddamned meme I see everywhere
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
@@datsun7918 Lmao salty. Lighten up have some fun. It's just a joke.
@@datsun7918 someones salty that they dont understand memes😂
Dat Sun Whoosh
It may be a POS but its still better then what I could make using the same tools under the same conditions .
Nah I seriously doubt it.
honestly a slam fire shotgun would be better than this
@Брандон Кeллeр I was saying the OP could make a better gun than what he expects for himself.
@@hereb4theend he didn't say that tho, read again.
@@user-nt4rq5ml4m dude you don't even speak English. Go away.
Sadly, the Craftsman did not have the tooling necessary to give it the historically appropriate and traditional BROWNINGS MAUSER FABRIQUE PATENT BREVETE PATENT BREVETE BELGIQUE BELGIQUE markings.
(Also SDGD, because man, this one needs it.)
What if I load it with a high pressure blank and turn the pistol so that the slide would fire at them instead of myself.
Brandon Stone Then you've got a Slide launcher
You sir, are a genius
Make sure you have a disposable arm as youll launch that aswell
Why not just throw it at them and End them Rightly?
@@kabob0077 *pulls slide of the gun*
*throws slide*
lol the messed up serial is my favorite part. "Do we need the numbers?" "Of course we do. Don't be stupid, it's like flames or racing stripes. Makes it go faster." Lol the 777 was also probably a feeble attempt at good luck, so you don't lose your fingers on the first round.
LOL that's funny 😂
7 is a lucky number, in the US.....
@@rslover65 just like the gun they tried to copy.
I mean, have you seen the Brandon Herrera video where the insurgents in the middle east think the forward assist is a sniper button?
It's funny because most people couldn't match the quality of that gun if they had the Colt shop let alone if they were in a jungle
I remember seeing an article about the same, or a very similar gun in a Gun Digest book years ago. The article was about home built Viet Cong weapons, and one of them I remember was a blowback "1911" in 45. The frame was braized/welded together, the barrel had no locking lugs, no safeties, and so on. Might have been the very same gun. The GD must have been from the early 70's or so.
The one I remember seeing in a book was similar, but it had been fired enough that the barrel was bent. Not seriously, but from the side it looked about like a quarter smile.
someone with a burnzomatic and a file in a dirt cave made that . Really makes you wonder, given just the bare minimum of mechanical engineering/ gunsmith classes and the bare minimum lathe /mill and hand tools what could this handyman produce.
it seems like a good thesis project for an experimental archaeologist or anthropologist. Figure out what tools an jungle gunsmith in north vietnam would have had, and see how hard it would be to actually make that thing. Someone with a surprisingly high degree of skill designed all the little bits of metal that had to be cut and bent and shaped together to make it work. Makes you wonder how many jungle Brownings there were out there and what they could have come up with in a better circumstance.
I think this was made in the south in covert VC workshop, it looks like a part time project of someone with time and tools.
And they make better replicas.
daniel it made in the south under cu chi tunnel or some base in the jungle the gun made in north Vietnam will be in factory or higher quality + during 1945-54 in the north did have few jungle workshop when we fighting the French colony force and we made bazooka from bomb that didn't explore used the shell to made the gun and used the explosive to made the war head that lead to the famous job in Vietnam bomb cutting that still some people doing that thing illegal now day when some guy found bomb or arty shell this guy come up buy it and bring home cut it take the explosive out and shell the metal just last year one guy blew him self up and his house in nearby Hanoi while trying to cut a bomb @@
funshootin1 not in a cave, probably in a city, Hanoi or such, the guy probably had a normal repair shop fixing scooters or something. Vietnam isn't just jungles you know
Given how evident not only was the lack of complex tools or resources, but also the minimal experience or understanding of guns on the part of the craftsman of this gun, it's honestly rather remarkable they put together something that looks this close and technically functions.
"Mum can we buy a 1911?"
Mum: "we have a 1911 at home"
1911 at home:
fuck you
Plz explain
@@alexlemus2559 it's just a lazy ass dumb fucking attempt at a "joke" that unfunny kids are now repeating on youtube when they are too stupid to think of something original and funny.
@@memberberry8242 I think it's hilarious lmao. Sounds like you need to get laid dude.
Ngl that made me ugly laugh
so much work into a piece of junk.they could have built several sten style smg's that actually work in the same amount of time.
Infact. With the same effort, they could have made a pair of perfectly functional shotguns, that, are surely better than a single, barely usable, handgun, both for military than for other purposes.
IH - MTXRGU firing this gun may be as dangerous to the shooter as to whoever he is aiming at.
IH - MTXRGU yeah and probably back fires in your face in the process or blows your hand off
All these so called keyboard artisan's make me laugh most couldn't organise a fuck in a brothel.
Stens are stamped, this is much more difficult to do in a workshop without a specialty machine. The only milled part is the bolt.
Very few machinery shops had steel pressing machines, most shops have a milling machine.
INB4: "I didn't know Kimber sold to the Vietnamese".
I have a Kimber that's been a better gun than my Colt.
Русский Парень what kimber's do you have the ones that I've shot have been worth shit than the 1911 itself
Bro. I died when I read this. Thank you.
Wow, I was going to give my 7 Kimber's to you, never mind. Maybe Ian will sell you that tunnel made Viet Cong booby trap.
@@AnarchAngel1 says no one ever
gotta say. for what they probably had, the fact that this was made is probably a massive compliment to human ability. imagine having some of the absolute basics of machining tools. its sort of like saying "well. here is a camera. copy it" when all you got is some scraps of plastic, a screwdriver, and a lightbulb. and it manages to take a picture... before the light bulb explodes and shoots glass everywhere
I bet that Vietnamese "gunsmith" is proud that his work is being showed to so many people
i highly doubt the guy who made it is even a gunsmith
I highly doubt that the Craftsman is alive at this point, even if he is, he would be extremely old and unable to watch gun jesus.
To be honest, if I made a 1911 by hand in the jungles (or maybe underground) of Vietnam with only hand tools and brazing, I'd show it off too.
That being said, I wouldn't dare fire it!
@@harveyknguyen please show me when you make a gun with hand tools.
The parts looked manufactured at worst, good luck with hand tools buddy
God have mercy on the man that had to stake his life on a weapon such as this. I'd honestly take a bow if that was my only option for a firearm
My great grandfather
I’d take a kitchen knife over this.
"It's hard to build a 1911 yourself, they're too precise" "TONY STARK BUILT THIS IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!"
tbf the team of scientists in the movie couldn't build it either and they just said they're not Tony Stark
I owned one of these at one time, I worked as a gunsmith from 1985-2007 and had my own business until l retired. I was at a Gunshow in Detroit and purchased it from a Vietnam Veteran who had taken it from a tunnel workshop he and his buddies had overwhelmed. He had all the proper Bringback papers from the army with a notorized affadavit describing how he had gotten it. The only marking on it was the numeral 1 ... we assumed that was the serial #, so that is what we used. I later sold it to a collector who probably still has it. This makes the second one l have ever heard of... I doubt there are many around!
"Hey man can I copy off you?"
"Sure, just change it a little bit so the teacher doesn't find out."
i copy but i pass the exam and u dont.
Brazing is an interesting way to hold a pistol together.
Imagine if Taurus did this with their guns. Gives a whole new meaning to the term "brazen bull".
Brazing's too complicated for Taurus, they just use plumbers putty and Voodoo.
@@jimmyrustler8983 no, use honey from bee hives he has locally, wait, ke should make a MARKOV with beeswax
230777 = 230 grains of good luck?
I'd guess that 230777 was the serial number on the weapon The Craftsman used as his pattern.
I say thats really impressive for a handcrafted gun
This is literally the scariest firearm I've ever seen
It is the scariest. My grandfather blew his hand off with one of these (I'm a Vietnamese)
JasonM ok jason
Anyone reloading or clearing a round from a Zip Gun makes me scared for their safety.
As an M1911 buff, this is fascinating. I'd love to know more about the craftsman who made it and what their process was. Alas . . .
Danao seems to have a better handle on quality control... most of the time.
Buy us a 1911 copy and make us a video about it.
I believe this is actually a Cao Dai Pistol. The Cao Dai were a religious sect in S. Vietnam who actually became pretty well known for Handbuilding guns. 1911's specifically
hey mike. you should write a song about this gun. :) i think i could come up with one. i cant sing tho. laughs. anyhow, i enjoy your music. i like the 1911 too. I was surprised to see you pop up in the comments i might add :P
Is Viet Cong booby trap gun.
they're gonna sneak their bootleg 1911 and swap out the original 1911's
Việt cộng cc
@@Johnwick-ko1ex bình tĩnh bạn ơi,người ta đùa thôi mà
@@Johnwick-ko1ex ý ông ấy này là súng này của Việt Cộng dùng để làm bẫy nhử lính mỹ vào bẫy, dốt anh văn lại thích toxic
@@Johnwick-ko1ex 3/ cho hay
The pistol equivalent of "we tried".
Made by Joss Whedon
1:30 "Yup that's a mighty fine lookin BBQ pit."
1:35:"WHY DOESN'T MINE LOOK LIKE THAT?!"
A brazed together blowback .45. Wow! Suddenly many of the random Chinese blowback "Mauser broom handles" don't look so bad.
You mean Wauser
i love these mystery pistols , wish more showed up as the craftsmanship is always interesting to look at
it is a testament to Ian's good character that, out of a community that is quick to disparage low quality work, he has gone out of his way to appreciate the gunsmithing undertaken by a downtrodden, colonized people in the course of their struggle against foreign oppressors.
People can call this gun a useless crap, but...
*IT COSTS 2300$ TO HAVE THIS WEAPON* (for 12 seconds)
PUG-alo Entertainment It costs $400,000 to hold this weapon... For 12 seconds.
That's more like the medical bill after successfully firing it for 12 seconds.
HappyBeezerStudios - by Lord_Mogul It also counts as $400,000 for twelve seconds.
@@James-qn3wi
Oh...I don't think it would take 12 seconds to cook this baby off. Now, I'm genuinely curious as to where the bullet would go after it was fired. I'm thinking the slide flies back at 200-300 feet per second caving the shooters head in. It would also likely amputate the hand of said trigger puller. Dislocating their arm and randomly killing anyone stupid enough to be standing near the guy firing it.
I have an idea! We should bring back that old TV show Fear Factor. We should replace their so called fear challenges with something truly horrifying. We could feature this very weapon in rotation. ;)
Sinn0100 For fuck sakes, just type in "Meet the Heavy" to understand the joke.
In Vietnam
War : Crafted M1911s , AK Copies , Soviet Rifles , Browning HPs, MGs under bunkers
Peacetime : We cant even make a nail
Sam Tran : Not any more .
@Carlos Moreno uh... how does copying something that already exists count as innovation?
@Carlos Moreno innovation doesn't exist under socialism or communism because it has to be sanctioned first. during war this doesn't apply. during war you're no longer under effective rule.
Quite a funny thing of our country isn't it?
Potato Juice hilarious, comrade
Looks like the p250 from rust, about the same level of craftsmanship too.
I was thinking the exact same thing
The what?
Rust is a survival multiplayer PC game. Most of the weapons are crude and made from pipes, salvaged springs, etc
Those things have more range than a bloody icbm though lol
@Tevo77777 it’s the semi automatic pistol (Not the military, but the one comparable to the 8 shot revolver)
I use forgotten weapons as ASMR to help me sleep but this was so funny I couldn't fall asleep.
I like to imagine this gun being a one-time thing in a video game where you can only fire one bullet before it breaks but it one-shots everything and has pinpoint accuracy and infinite range
This is actually so impressive, there's no way with no training I could make something this well tbh props to the dude
“It would go so far as to detonate a cartridge” is an underrated quote from this channel
I think this is my favorite youtube video. Sure I laugh at the craftsmanship, but I'm still so impressed by it. It's the definition of putting your soul into a project.
They did a hell of a lot better than I could have. Definitely a fascinating piece of Vietnam War history. I definitely wouldn't want to be around if it's fired, but I'd love to have it in my collection.
It is chambered in .45 -P
Ian, have you ever been tempted to fire any of your Chinese 'mystery' pistols? (Say, with it clamped in a vice, while you stand behind something solid and pull the trigger with a loop of string around.)
Nope, can't say I have been.
Its not about saftey issues, but the desire to preserve these somewhat strange pieces of history.
If you take the proper precautions nobody will get hurt when the gun blows up, but the gun will stay blow up.
Forgotten Weapons fabricate a vice for it and make a video firing it please.
We are interested in seeing what would actually happen.
Maybe it will surprise us all :)
gonzalez519
It would fail and that would be it. The point is to showcase historic firearms, however flawed they might be, not to destroy them.
Linus Fehr you are right, but it would be kinda cool nonetheless to see if it would work 😅
These video's about homebrew gun copies really makes me appreciate how much effort went into producing (and designing) factory made guns.
Man, seeing this gun really makes you appreciate a well made handgun, as well as the amazing amount of skill required.
It looks like the developmentally challenged offspring of a Colt 1911 and a Tokarev TT-33.
It's barely a gun, It's an art piece
I call it "Century Arms makes a 1911"
i really love these craft-built firearms videos, so fascinating
Truly a remarkable firearm, thanks Ian!
I always find it funny when people combine the words “crude” and “blowback” with the implication that blowback itself is crude. Obviously this is not what’s being said in this video, but there are people who associate the terms interchangeably or synonymously.
This is almost as good as those chinese mystery pistols you showed us a while back. I would love to see more mystery pistols from different countries and different time periods.
As I write this in 2019, this is by far the most entertaining video that you've made, Ian. As I read the comments below, I see I am not alone. I suppose this particular specimen was recovered from the previous owner after just one shot.
Love this kinda stuff, thank you , the more bizarro the better!
The Vietnamese also used SVT 40 and Mosin Nagant rifles my great uncle brought an SVT40 back
Yes Russian provided them with AKMs as well as some old stock they had in inventory. You will find an odd mix of Russian designs in the Vietnamese arsenal.
In the 1950s, before the Cold War Powers decided to make Vietnam the playground the separatists were using whatever weapon they could find, from Jap weapons and flintlocks to captured or stolen French weapons. Some had gas pipe shotguns like in the Philippines and whatever they could cobble together. The US entry into the arena after Diem Bien Phu really accelerated the conflict and the resulting flow of arms.
1911 has to be the best handgun ever created. I love it!
The M1911 is an amazing go to!
I disagree.
I saw one that had been fired many times and without barrel lugs, the slide simply hammered itself to the end of its travel eventually causing the slide to develop a swayback appearance. It was covered in an NRA magazine many years ago. They reported on several semi-autos built by the North Vietnamese and actually used in battle. As crude as the guns were you have to admire what was built with an absolute minimum of machining equipment.
Very interesting vids! Thanks for making em!
So these guys' thinking is like the Japanese during the end of WW2:
"I don't care if it is safe or not, i want something that shoots and kill. Make me those weapons, no matter how bad it is. Use the available material!"
Ian has shown Last ditch weapons before. Things like this are the definition of such.
Damian Grouse That's the philosophy of desperate people trying to arm themselves.
Japanese desperation guns were still safe to fire and certainly made by people who knew how they were supposed to function. More importantly, they had safety. The problem with them was life expectancy. The manufacturers didn't build them as robust as the originals because they thought very few of those guns were going to last to 2000 rounds anyway.
This gun is kinda awesome in its total ignorance of the very concept of safety. How is the user supposed to carry it anyway?
Cocked and Unlocked😱🍻
Andrew Suryali I was talking about the typical unsafe guns in bad quality material.
This includes the dangerous Type 94, soft iron to replace brass for ammunition, and many more. From Japanese to any Guerilla fighters.
So if you were to own a gun like this, would it ever be possible to shoot it at a range if you took precautions, or is it just too dangerous to mess around with?
I would not shoot this one.
Maybe light loaded wooden bullet?
Maybe thats the point and nobody understands the concept of the mighty slide launcher.
This is the kind of thing you fire remotely behind a blast shield, if at all.
if you had it set up in a controlled setting where its shielded and fired remotely then yeah you could but there would not really be a point unless you just had the money to waste and didn't care about the history of the weapon.
Dude you dont know how much ur videos have helped me especially the m1a1 paratrooper carbine seeing if its fake
I had the opportunity to take a close look at a similar pistol that my boss, who had been a junior Marine Corp infantry officer in Vietnam, had brought back as a trophy. I was truly amazed by the weapon and I have never been able to get the experience out of my thoughts. Handmade weapons being used against a superpower that had the best of everything in quantity. How do you fight a people that will take scrap, engineer it into a firearm that works by hand, and take that weapon into combat against highly trained and we'll equipped troops. It just blew my mind. The audacity to persevere is amazing and proved unconquerable.
Why not make copy of the M3 grease gun or something similar? Easier to make,safer to shoot,holds 30 rounds full auto.
If they don't know how a 1911 works how the fuck will they know about the grease gun???
The grease gun is much more simple than a 1911.
It is not necessary to be a direct copy of the grease gun or any gun, just make their own open bolt SMG design by the pipes and pieces of metal they had aviable.
That only works if you actually have an understanding of what makes a gun work and have the know how to not only build, but design your own gun. I'd say the going by this example that while the craftsman knows how to build a gun they don't know anything about designing a gun, if they did then they'd likely produce a far more accurate copy of the 1911. Instead, they simply copied what they saw all the while not understanding everything they saw, you see the same thing in the mystery Chinese pistols that Ian had done a video on previously where the Chinese gun makers copied features of various guns with no clear understanding of what those features were for so they were often non-functional as a result.
The person who made it was not a gunsmith and didn't know how guns work. He simply had a gun to use as a pattern and attempted to copy it the best he could with what he had on hand.
When I was younger and dumber I fired an imitation beretta similar to this. It was strait blowback and the construction was very similar to this though it was 9mm. The slide came back and got stuck over my hand and the hammer came off. The barrel was also pined similar to this and ended up loose and hanging out of the gun.
Love the NVA weapons there so rare and unique would love more content on more stuff like this
Good video. My culture appreciates such a contribution.
I'm gonna disagree a tad. I was in Vietnam up north and so happened to visit a lot of military museums. The one in Hanoi actually has a big showcase of North Vietnamese made weaponry (that from the descriptions in the museum they're extremely proud of...) and some was shitty produced stuff, but most was really dead on accurate looking accurate looking copies, complete with notation of even the factory and city they were made. The most surprising thing I saw up North in all the museums was actually very few SKSs and AKs like you'd expect, but a lot of M1 Carbines. Apparently North Vietnam actually made local copies of M1 Carbines that were dead on to the originals. I even talked to someone 18 years old that said they shot an M1 Carbine for their kind of high school ROTC equivalent in present times. North Vietnam actually had at least decent enough industrial capacity to make some amount of small arms properly in real factories. Just yes, they made crude ones in workshops, but there was also dead on right local production. I think the shitty produced guns like you're showing were probably made in central and South Vietnam during the war when there was obviously arms control to keep guns out of militant hands, or it could be even older and produced when the French were in power, and again, people were subject to gun control.
3:33 that gun was made on the 27 of July 1977
I’ve seen in another video that some poor communities in Philippines craft 1911’s with raw tools, not a single tooling machine, all manually and they had their own Quality Control System, and produced good guns, logically this weapons were for criminal groups.
I’ll give the guy credit, he did a pretty good job given the circumstance
"Ho, I need you to build me many copies of the American's pistols." Says NVA general.
Ho drags on his cigarette. "I'll need pots, pans, and one week." Lol
I would love to see this fire. Like the trigger connected to a string, behind a cover, pull the string and pray :D
These pistols are actually pretty impressive examples of craftsmanship.
I'd certainly feel comfortable taking it to the range.
I love these craft guns. Amazing workmanship considering the situation.
Would love to see this being fired, even if it's clamped down and fired with a string to the trigger pulled from a bunker..
For all the hand craftsmanship and ingenuity this gun is worth far more
Say what you will, but as a machinist, for me at least, these little guns are absolutely fascinating.
i like your fair and professional look at history.
I like how you said e x t r e m l y d u b i o u s
I like how he manages to convey the build quality and other aspects without being realy condesending and adding in a bit of contexual info to help.
😂 when u first showed them side by side I had to check to see if TH-cam decreased my quality to like 240p but it was still on 1080p
I was like WTF, then u said u had changed the focus 😂😂😂😂
U got me bro u got me lol
A wise man named Don Vito Corleone once said: “Look at how they’ve massacred my boy.”
HAHAHAHAHA
Focus, focus, fuck!
I got that reference
AvE
Now I really want to see a BOLTR on what guns you can get ahold of up in Kanuckistan.
It amazes me that you would call a Tokerv anything but a paperweight. I bought one when I was 21 new in the box for $100. I took it to the range. I fired one round, then I fired the second. The slide locked back, all the rounds in the magazine ejected, and springs and other parts of the gun came apart. I Then swore I would never buy a semi-auto again and carried a .357 revolver. I got a huge deal when our local department went to 40 cal and I got a Beretta 92fs 3 hi-cap mags, and a jokester for $200. I also made deals with a lot of officers who were carrying Gluck 9mm’s and made a little finders fee. It’s amazing what craftsmanship is when you have something of quality. My 92, has never jammed and I have never had an issue with it. I almost fell off my chair when you mentioned that Chinese Tokerv as being anything more than a POS
thank you so much Ian . that knockoff 1911 has such unsexy lines to it.