North Vietnamese K-50M Submachine Gun
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The K-50M was a North Vietnamese modification of the PPSh-41 submachine gun to mimic the handling of a French MAT-49. Made from Chinese Type 50 guns (which were direct copies of the original PPSh-41) in small shops, the K-50M used a wholly new lower receiver assembly. This new lower fitted an AK pistol grip and a collapsing wire stock patterned after the MAT-49. The barrel was kept intact, but the barrel shroud was shortened, the muzzle brake/compensator removed, and a new AK (or SKS) style of front sight block added. Mechanically, the guns remained unchanged, firing from an open bolt in 7.62x25mm Tokarev caliber, with the semiauto selector switch of the original Shpagin. The K-50M is compatible with PPSh-41 drums (allowing for fitting issues), but was issued with 35-round box magazines.
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It looks like an AK and a PPS had a child and abandoned it in the wilderness where it was raised by a tribe of outcast MP40s.
I like your funny words magic man
I like your funny words magic man
I like your funny words magic man
....perfect description lmfao
I like your funny words magic man
Welds on the barrel look so crude because the welder had tears in his eyes
That and he lost part of his vision and had a headache for a month.
I was aware that the gun could be reactivated. I was going to comment on that then he said it at the end of the video. I worked at a shop where a gun came in for reactivation. The tooth paste booger welds didn't take long to remove once the paperwork was in order.
@@JSCB-365 What paperwork is required? I got a trophy gun home from a deployment and wasn't aware I could re-activate it.
@Hoàng Nguyên this is one week ago? Damn I grew up watching my uncle weld with proper protection and were not allowed to look at the light
@@JSCB-365 Wouldn't those welds destroy the integrity of the gun? I can imagine the barrel not being really safe after all that heavy welding done
An interesting SMG I first learned about from Rising Storm 2: Vietnam.
same and crazy fire rate!
Weird i just finish playing Rising Storm 2. I got some kills with it. lol
same, very interesting smg
Same here. It’s good when it’s used by a us soldier >:D
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Vietnamese viewer here. We call it the K-50M in Vietnam as well. In museums and historical catalogues/documentaries, it's often referred to as "tiểu liên K-50M", meaning "K-50M submachine gun".
It goes without the hyphen sometimes, I mean, it's kinda inconsistent.
Có 1 sự khác biệt "khá lớn" giữa súng trường rút gọn (carbine) và súng tiểu liên.
@@arandomguy1378 thanks bro, mình ko biết "carbine" dịch ra tiếng mình là gì
Also pretty sure the "K" prefix is not based on US docs, it's just short for "Kiểu", which is a Vietnamese word for "Type".
@@kaitokatsuki6862 carbine cứ hiểu là súng trường rút gọn
interesting ....
Just about broke my heart when I saw it was deactivated. That's murder...
It's not dead, it's only sleeping.
I ought to be against the law to defile a cool peice of history like that.
I mean Ian said at the end it could be reactivated with a $200 fee. if I understood right anyway.
@@bt1234567892010 An SOT/FFL07 could definitely turn it back into a machinegun. But since the registry is closed, it still wouldn't be accessible to us peasants... *shakes fist at 1986 NFA*
@@bt1234567892010 Nevermind, I just watched it to the end and it appears to have been registered already.
*EVERY TIME* I watch some war documentary on tv and I see a weapon I’m not familiar with, the next day conveniently pops up a video of it on Forgotten Weapons!
It’s uncanny. Thank you! 🙏🏻
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One might even say he works in mysterious ways.
Gun Jesus protects his flock
What documentary did this show up in?
recognition Bias ;)
Dunno if anyone knows this but Vietnam has a *double stack* variant of the Tokarev pistol called the K14-VN, it also has better sights and longer barrel for more accuracy
It still lacked a safety though.
Nice to know
@@a.hauptmann8798 I don't think they needed one though
Nice to know
@@a.hauptmann8798
Only the export version of the Tokarev had a safety, the Soviet military versions had no safeties at all.
K-50M is the correct vietnamese designation. K is just an abbreviation for "Kiểu" in Vietnamese, which means "type" or "model". A lot of Chinese weapons when given to Vietnam were assigned a "K" designation. For example, the Type 54 pistol, the Chinese version of the TT-33, is called K-54 in Vietnam
hóa ra chữ k là như vậy :)))
It seems that a lot of Asian languages have single word that can be translated to either Type or Model. Makes me wonder why in the west we choose to translate it to Type even though in non-Asian weapons are usually designated Model something or other.
Probably just direct translating the names.
@@Drownedinblood infact, it is
"open gaps in the gun..." You mean, "mud alleviation ports."
More like, "mud ingress points"
Lol let me know how that goes for you
nobody:
Ian: Somehow the French had influenced this.
Basically
He right, I explained it in my comment feel free to check it out.
@@ComradeAesthetic or that Google is always listening if it was an older upload :)
Vietnam was called French Indochina before they became independent
See French influences is of course smokeless powder
For $200 and the gunsmithing cost of reactivating this could be a good investment if the auction price was not too much.
@@ffarmchicken Yeah it's a shame that they mutilated this gun like that, but it's a historical artifact at this point and not so much a practical firearm. Better to preserve what's left of it rather than take a risk like that.
With what I see, it only needs the barrel chamber remachined. There is no weld holding the barrel in. Easy job.
I mean a Dremel is only 100 dollars, you can buy a Mosin and take out its barrel, cut it in half and you have a PPSh barrel :P that's how they were made in WW2 anyway
@@user-njyzcip the secret to why every Soviet Gun prior to the AK74 was a 7.62, whether it was a 7.62R,7.62 AK or 7.62 x25mm.
They all use the same barrel drill
I'll bet the current owner knows that.
The "K" in "K-50M" is an acronym. In Vietnamese, it means "Kiểu" and in English, it means Type.
Sorry for bad English hope you guy understand
Edit 1: OMG Thank for the like, heart and kind words guy !!!
Thank you for the explanation. And don't worry, your English is fine!
@@TheDeadfast Yeah, I definitly read comments worse then this XD
Ur English is understandable bruh. Btw Vuetnamese here
K = "kiểu"= type
Thank for the kind words guy, stay safe and healthy.
Those welds hurt my eyes.
They hurt every one's eyes.
Thoes laws hurt my heart :(
I agree. My interest in this video dropped way off after Ian revealed it was deactivated. I watched till the end though.
james riggs Funny enough me too. Which is silly because all the guns Ian shows may as well be deactivated... I’m never going to own or eve shoot hardly any.
@Geba Who all had zero reason for being there in the first place. So the hurt was OK. :-)
Me: "oh man, I hope there's firing footage!"
*hears the word "decommissioned"
Me: well damn
It's just a PPSh and there's firing footage of that
@@user-njyzcip correction: it's a *cool-looking* PPSH-41
Deactivated or decommissioned, either way "destroyed" would be more accurate. : (
@@denyspoyner4150 it's not "destroyed". I could get that firing in a morning. Defaced is more like it.
Eh, just rebuild a new one with exact part.
Dayton Airforce Museum has one on display.
Everyone's looking at the airplanes, and I'm edging around a glass display case trying to get the best picture of an SMG, lol
Best aircraft museum in my opinion!
During 1960, the North Vietnamese Army decided that they must design a new weapons to provide for a guerrillas soldier in the south, this weapons must be have a strong firepower and simple to be fit for guerrilla tactics. This mission was assigned to Z1 factory. They used the stock and a rear sight of a MAT-49 SMG to replace the original stock and rear sight of an original PPSh-41, remove the barrel casing and used the 35 round- box megazine, so that how the K-50M SMG was create
chào ae
How the hell do you know that ?
@@frisk3320 Chào đồng chí
@@nemergix1707 Because I know everything about NVA and Vietcong weapons in the Vietnam war, not just AK-47 or SKS
@@lethanhlam3434I have a question that do the Vietnam factories produce M16 and M14 rifles
Scout, report in
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I love the Aim-Down-Sight views you include in your videos. It's always been my favorite part. Thank you for putting in that little extra time and effort. You're the man Ian!
Only seen one of these. It had been de-activated by several 5.56 hits to receiver Aug. 1969. Never forget how handy it looked.
A rather iconic North Vietnamese weapon, glad to see Ian finally got his hands on one!
Ppsh41 and Mp40 ended up in Vietnam and a gunsmith was like, “Này đây là những khẩu súng tuyệt vời. Hãy để tôi băm chúng và đặt chúng lại với nhau!” And then he was like, “Này, tôi có thể tận dụng thiết kế này! Họ có thể sẽ tuyên bố tôi đã đóng góp cho sự nghiệp của mọi người nhưng bất cứ điều gì!”
> Băm chúng
> Nhưng bất cứ điều gì
You used google translate right?
sorry i don't speak trees
@@wisniewski5171 Not really, old Vietnamese use them alot. Especially in the North
@@wisniewski5171 i speak trees and i can say both of yall are speaking nonsensical bullcrap
Thanks Ian.
Excellent video and a very welcome break up to my day during these near-lockdown days in Australia.
I am so glad you made a video about this gun, thank you
5:00 I think that's a good design coincidence, considering how the average Vietnamese person is shorter than the average Frenchman, especially back then with (North) Vietnam being a new, poor country with poor nutrition (my own mother is from Vietnam, and she would've starved to death even in the 80's and very early 90's when she was a college student if it wasn't for her supportive friends. That's to give you an idea how poor Vietnam was). My own grandfather was a Major in the South Vietnamese Army as a paperwork officer (with all due respect to him) and was imprisoned for 10 years after South Vietnam fell for working for the South Vietnamese government.
And I'm surprised how this video was out for only a few hours and how there are so many Vietnamese people in the comments section.
SayNoTo Democide well we’re developed now, ~10% left is still suffering from starvation only
I think no one is starving today, it is more like they are struggling to pay for food, which is cheap because Vietnam is a food exporter. People might be poor but they ain't starving.
@@tophatvn8278 The 10% number is poverty, not starvation
D G hey, that ain’t nice!
You know, Vietnam is a pretty small country so when some foreign TH-camrs mentioned about Vietnam, they are really proud of their country
What a treat! I read about it in a magazine, always wanted to see one.
I remember reading about this gun in Small Arms of the World, and wondering how the NVA got something like this to work.
Sad to see such an amazing piece of history deactivated but I imagine $200 was still no small amount in 1960s-1970s
Killian never mind the 60’s-70’s, imagine $200 in 1934.
That’s the price of a car. Or a Thompson.
That's a very nice vest you're wearing Ian. Comfy + classy.
So to make things clear because I had a chance to use a K-50M:
1. The base of the gun is inconsistent. Some of them is the real papasha after WWII and most are from the Chinese clone. You held a Chinese-baseyd. There are small modifications just to make the mag holder works as the original papasha. because the original Type-50 can use its drum magazines only, while the papasha can use both.
2. Its fire rate is only 700rpm with soft rubber buffer, you can use the PPSh buffer to restore the badass 1250rpm fire rate, but it will make the gun overheat quickly. That means fire rate will depends on the recoil buffer materials. I used to add some plastics to increase the fire rate to 900rpm and this is suitable for me, but for the NVA and VC at that time, 700rpm is the best for them because of more open fields and they have to sync with the AK training too (AK, not AK-47)
3. This thing, alongside with PPSh-41 and Type-50, can be modernized to use in law enforcements if they adjust the case ejecting position, but they just stopped the improvising project when they got AKMS aids from Soviet Union. most of all modern SMGs can't be compared with the value of the papasha bought to you: big mag, reliable, accurate, adjustable fire rate, and insane firepower just behind the P90 and MP7.
Thanks Ian for covering this unicorn. Some interesting information I found from Vietnamese materials on the K-50M: it was created in an attempt to build "ghost guns" not directly traceable back to North Vietnam. These guns were hence mostly made in the early 60s (~10,000 of them, made by the Z1 arms factory). After the US got directly involved in combat, there's no reason to hide anymore, and North Vietnam sent Soviet/Chinese weapons down south in large number.
I remember learning of this from Mercenaries: Playground Of Destruction back when I was a preteen
That would be the similar looking Chinese type 85. What a game.
i played that game, i think it was mostly NK officers and some of the Russian mafia guys would carry it in the game
@@UgandanAirForce
Had the highest rate of fire too...
I can throw my shoe at em' if you want to?
I can assure you that the K50 fired very fast - it felt like 1,000 RPM - and it would eject the empties straight forward. We discovered this when we fired ours into the sand and saw an extra row of holes about 4 inches above the bullet impacts. We captured ours when its former owner tried to fire it at us but the round in the chamber failed to go off. I still have that round with its dented primer. Unfortunate for him, but great for us.
I can see that the fire control group is original, so is the barrel shroud, etc. They have essentially removed the wooden buttstock and replaced it with bent steel sheet welded directly to the remaining parts and slapped what appears to be a surplus MAT 49 stock. Simple, efficient. glorious.
Nice, knew you'd eventually get around to this.
On the modern firearms website the k50 submachine gun has a rate of fire of 700 rpm which is considerably slower than the original pps 41
Weird Comment, but i want that sweater. It looks cool.
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@@onzuoantteri4507 I had to go searching the comments for this too. That sweater looks so comfortable. Thanks!
Oh god almighty have i been waiting for this! Very little actual info on it on the Internet, so very welcome video
I finally got my book, and it looks amazing. I can't think of a better way to spend my quarantine.
great info
K 51m is what would begun if ppsh 41 and mat 49 were cousins in Alabama.
Great work Sir
Ian saying Pa-Pa-Sha is a joy to hear.
This is a much more correct way of pronouncing the name of this weapon. Ian finally heard complaints from his viewers about the mispronunciation of the names of weapon designers and the incorrect spelling of abbreviations.
@@AlASokolov Being 'murican, I used to call it a pee-pee-shush as a kid lol
Very sleek and cool looking
I saw one of those at the 1st cavalry division museum at Fort Hood, TX.
Love your vids Ian!
Would love to see you review a capture MAT49 that North Vietnam rechambered for Tokarev round.
This is actually a very sound design in terms of training your troops - it has an AK front sight, a PM Mle 49-esque rear sight and stock, overall it's lighter and has some ergonomic qualities to it.
An interesting person, papa shaw must've been to be mentioned this many times by Ian
Osama The Llama, maybe John Brownings father-in-law?
I wonder if he is related to Papa John?
Papa Shpagin
I remember watching John Wayne’s “Green Beret” and Sgt Muldoon saying, “ChiCom K-50”
It appears to be a PPSh :-O
Sauce : th-cam.com/video/Yb7tb548Ngk/w-d-xo.html
K-50 is the Vietnamese name for the PPSh and Chinese Type 50 clone of the PPSh. The "K" at the beginning is Vietnamese for "Kieu" meaning model or type. It is no different then calling a gun a M-44 or T-53. The K-50M is the modified version of the K-50
That was the name I knew these as for a long time and when I saw the image in the vid section I was like WOO! Finally gonna learn about this gun! :D (Ironically the ChiCom bit was what instantly came to mind too! XD )
The best Vietnam War documentary.
Considering that they filmed The Green Berets at Fort Benning, I wonder if that display board of "captured weaponry" (as Sgt. Muldoon describes it) was provided by the Army. Maybe they used it for enemy weapons familiarization training or something.
This is the first time i ever got a Forgotten Weapons notification, even though ive the bell icon active.
Thank you , Ian
These old, crudely modified guns are way more interesting to me than the fucking samey polymer ARs with fuckin laser sights and scopes and shit
@Forgotten Weapons I really like your sweater. Well done. Great video as always.
I’m new to your channel, love your content and I’m now addicted 👍
Got to shoot one of these, pretty cool gun!
Something about crudely made/modified guns that make them look cool in my eyes.
It's a tough Mad Max/Post Apocalyptic look.
I know Ian's got a huge backlog of footage available to release for as long as the pandemic lasts...
...but it's more fun to think that he's sheltering in place at Rock Island and they're just letting him keep the collection tidy and make videos.
Cool looking gun
just found out about it when playing rising storm 2 yesterday
Scout report in
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oh boy this takes me back 10 years to Battlefield Vietnam and the Arsenal Mod
One of my fav guns in RS 2
Thanx!!!
Last time i was this early, there was still a South Vietnam.
I am still south vietnam :D
@@WanganTune3DXPluDeaf South Vietnam is not a country, but a region. There were 2 regimes at once in the South, one is American-puppet "Republic of Vietnam" and the other is "Provisional Revolutionary Government of Republic of South Vietnam". West-East Germany or North-South Korea don't have that situation at all.
@@huuduyvu9714 one is Chinese communist puppet aka north Vietnam lol
@@oggyoliver3651 the other has been a dead puppet state of the US for 45 years.
@@oggyoliver3651 and the enemies of NATO can even help the one of them (the NATO's member) better than the NATO themselves. I bet this is not the first time the almighty bald eagle abandon his allies, right?
PPSH: receiver
AKM: grip
Grease Gun: stock
Looks like fancy Khyber pass stuff.
BTW, the PPsH41 they have here - at the local firing range, works perfectly with the drum mag, and frequently malfunctions with the stick magazine.
Just try to use a few another drum mags from the different pieces. You'd be surpised.
One of the coolest sub guns ever
I've never clocked that those are AK grips.
I always wanted to know more about this machine gun. Not that much informations are avalable on the internet
Ian, thanks for mastering the pronounciation of PPSh, now it's right between it's original name and it's army nickname Papasha (Daddy). It's really nice to hear this from you, in place of a faceless abbreviation (especially since last two English letters stand for one Russian letter).
that thing is bad ass and shoots a great round
Looks pretty decent and comfy to use
Scarce Vietnamese submachine gun. Isn't this a sweet treat. Thanks Ian!
Been hoping for to this smg for a while. 😀
if you ever get the chance can you do another video on home produced firearms i really enjoyed the one on the avenger smg
“Deactivated war trophy.” Ian, that was painful to see.
I really hope you pick this one up Ian. The whole time I was watching this I was thinking "wow what a cool gun I love stuff like this" I want to see it at the range.
I looked very light to me bet I kicks like a mule at 7.62 I'd also like to see an operating one on the range to satisfy my curiosity
It's deactivated so sadly it'll probably never go on a range again
Really cool to finally see this gun live. Next on the wish list would be 7.62 Tokarev conversion of Mat-49. If they were a real thing that is?
as a Vietnamese, I say it real
This looks like the SMG Tintin uses in Flight 714. I’ve always wondered what Herge used as a template.
Ahh yes, the good old morning gun video. Nothing can compare to firearms and breakfast
6:17 - not sure how those welds are holding the barrel in. It should be the larger reciever pivot pin that retains the barrel which looks untouched by weld.
Regardless, a little bit of grinding would take those right off....
@@RichieRichOverdrive The real question is could one possibly salvage the barrel and reactivate this little bad girl?
@@ryanking5262 Nothing is impossible. Finding the correct barrel would be very,very difficult, but a good machinist could probably chamber and profile a blank to suit. Not that I'm suggesting that.
@@RichieRichOverdrive ya, it could be nearly fully restored with a dremel. I think one of two things are at play here.
1. A rube deactivated this and thought the whole trunnion needed removed to remove the barrel
2. Fake barrel retention welds to be purposefully deceitful for an easy reactivation.
@@webtoedman it's the same barrel as a common ppsh, but with a front sight post pressed and pinned. If the weld is only in the chamber, it would be an easy drill and rechamber job.
looks like an mp38 and a stgw44 had a baby
Ive always wanted a k50m
An Ak, grease gun, mp40 and ppsh 41 had a baby.
Dead Frontier players will always remember this gun
When I lived in Thailand they were thicker than fleas on a cat.
I would use a fine rasp so drums would fit.
Favorite gun in Mercenaries 1 and 2.
Looks fairly crude, but highly effective...
i am lorax,i speak for the trees
*the trees are speaking vietnamese*
player 5.56 best comment I have seen all week...
@@billping6712 thank you
I saw one of these at the October 2019 Knob Creek shoot/show, it was a transferable machine gun and had already sold for $25,000!
Are you looking for one?
@@ronmiller1578 I would love to have one, I could never afford it unless the MG market collapsed though
I saw it on one of the Vietnam war books that i have, i always that was some kind of weird old french SMG; nice to know now.
Those welds are stupidly easy to take off, even with just a dremel tool. If the original trunnion can be saved assuming the destroyed barrel isn't welded to the trunnion, all it needs is a new barrel. Very easy reactivation.
I was drooling until Ian showed the plugged barrel:(-John in Texas
in my country, the Netherlands has 1 K-50m at the moment
but has been disabled
wonder whether i can find one
it looks like the child of the PPSh-41 and the AK.
That is a gorgeous jumper Ian, where can I get one?
Looks like it got some modified parts from ppsh41, upper for sure, mag well etc, gotta watch when i have few mins...
That looks just plain fun to shoot in the back yard at nothing in particular
I like your sweater Ian, and may be after 50 it will sold in Rock Island Auction company as gun jeesus jacket 😁😁
Hate to see any weapon deactivate.
Read about this in my American Rifle magazine. I like the looks of it compared to its ppsh41 and ppsh43 relatives.
Like 3 days ago, i thought to myself that Ian hasn´t made a video about the K-50M smg yet. And now it came out.
Ian, are reading my mind?