Part One: I Do Not Like Elon Musk Very Much | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
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Part One: I Do Not Like Elon Musk Very Much | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Robert is joined by Sofiya Alexandra to discuss Elon Musk.
Original Air Date: June 3, 2020
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It's amazing how Elon Musk managed to turn his life around in the years since this was recorded, and is now a paragon of virtue in our community. Yep, he's not at all a far, far bigger catastrofuck of a human being today.
LOL
I'm now in love with that term. Thank you very much.
Its not even comparable, really. Its insane how many people he fooled into thinking he might be the smartest man alive. His time at twitter showed how much of a fraud he is.
i like how future-proofed this statement is.
Hahahahhahahah, ahhhhhhh, now this is hilarious
Man this episode is such a time capsule. What a wild time when we didn't know Elon's opinion of every single political issue, and couldn't escape knowing that.
Here's my thing about Musk's life growing up- he may say he hates his dad, or the way things were in S. Africa, but a a grown man he certainly doesn't act like someone who hates those things. Documented facts about how he treats his spouses and children. Documented facts about how he treats his workers. Documented fats about the kinds of rules he wants for society, whether he's building his own or trying to change this one. All those show him to be just like his dad and just like someone really fond for the white ruling class days of S. Africa. Sure some thing about his life sucked and some people treated him like shit. But instead of growing past it, he's taken 'hurt people hurt people' to industrial levels.
so insane listening to this one in the future knowing he’s gone full alt right at this point. I keep waiting for them to mention his daughter who disowned him, or his attempt at running twitter, or literally anything else he’s done over the past three years. I always knew he wasn’t legitimately working for the good of people but if you’d asked me at the point this originally aired if he’d end up being one of today’s most powerful fascists, I don’t think I’d have been able to predict the extent to which he spiraled
my god....revisit this episode now....hilarious that you back then compared the elon breakdown to the kanye breakdown, and they should keep it off twitter. I guess the writing was on the wall
Revisit it now to learn that under Musk's watch, Twitter has actually increased censorship at the request of dictatorships.
On behalf of the International Order of Errols, Errol Musk is the Canonically worst Errol. And that's saying a lot when Errol Flynn is in the mix.
Aren't like 98% of the allegations against Flynn proven to have been made up entirely or incredibly altered facts of the events? Like, the woman who claimed he raped her also said she was madly in love with him and couldn't believe he chose her out of all people. And his biographer just straight made up shit because he 'had a gut feeling it was true.'
Common Sense Skeptic did a thing about the stairs incident - what Elon left out what that he didn't just "bump into the guy" in the cafeteria. Apparently the guy's father had recently died (edit: apparently it was a suicide! /edit) and Elon made a joke about it. And *that's* why they went after him.
That doesn't excuse what happened to him... but it wasn't just some random bullying as he makes it out to be.
_He_ was the bully.
And Musk's dad was like "ok, fair enough, he deserved it" IIRC!
Knowing what we now know about him, a LOT of those stories about the computer rocket-building geek sound like complete bs
Carefully cultivated BS. One thing Muck did do well is cultivate his own image to promote his companies - the Edison strategy. The image of the lone genius inventor still has cultural power.
He wouldn't be able to build a Lego rocket
You can literally play his 1984 game "Blastar" online today.
@@karenrobertsdottir4101 and what relevance does that have to anything?
@@TheDarthbinkyhe was human and did at least some things I guess
Rich trust fund kid 'sink or swim' is like they do a gymnastic routine on the floor while everyone else has the do the same on the balance beam.
I think when he was asked to describe his version of socialism once, he described a world where resources are allocated, but, for the benefit of everyone, the greatest slices of pie should go to those already wealthy/successful so they can still be in charge of leading everyone else with their successfulness and wealth and... capital. So......... a type of capitalism in which they're absolved of all guilt for owning too much because someone OFFICIALLY picked them to be the best, smartest boys.
That's not an accurate description of what he said. The actual quote was: "By the way, I am actually a socialist. Just not the kind that shifts resources from most productive to least productive, pretending to do good, while actually causing harm. True socialism seeks greatest good for all."
Of course, his politics has changed dramatically over the past several years so I doubt he'd say that any more. And the main thing I'm sure he was referring to was his (outspoken) support for Universal Basic Income.
So business as usual?
@@karenrobertsdottir4101 Sounds like a pretty good description of what he said, then.
That part about Kingston has me laughing. To this day, Queens/Kingstown is considered the party school and party city for our Universities/colleges. That tracks and has lasted over thirty yrs
I dont think you can equate Elon hating South Africa with hating apartheid. He has no trouble behaving, speaking, and tweeting in a way that shows he thinks he owns people. And his contempt for those he considers beneath him is breathtaking.
New to the podcast and instantly clicked "Subscribe" on "I want to make sure everyone is giving him shit for the proper reasons". Eff-ing loved it.
The story I heard on why Elon got pushed down the stairs was that he was mocking one of the kids because his father had just died by suicide. It was an interview with Errol talking about it.
*edited for accuracy
[Citation needed]
it was elon making a joke about the other kid's father committing suicide but c'mon dude. you could use google on the device you're using, instead of commenting "citation needed" like a dipshit
@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 At this point we have literally *nobody's* word on this except for "AndrewWestfall65 at TH-cam".
@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 Yes, Elon was pushed down the stairs, and we have the world of multiple people.
What we don't have is the word of any people, except "Andrew Westfall 65 at TH-cam", that it was because "he was mocking one of the kids because his mother had just died."
Hence: [Citation needed].
The proper answer to a [citation needed] request is: to give a citation.
If you can't: It's made-up internet BS.
We do have word though. We have Errol's word. Stop ignoring the fact that several people here have said that.
I've only just recently been recommended to your channel, but I have to say that I am really loving the depth of the content and the even-handedness of dealing with these truly terrible people.
Honestly I actually really enjoyed the fact that Sofiya wouldn't let things lie and would poke holes in the kind of narratives that get pushed for these dorks. I admire that, I can't say I'm a strong enough person to do that amongst people I consider my friends (but I do have my limits).
It's so interesting to listen to this in context of everything that happened between 2020 when this was recorded, and now.
All the melting down on twitter since, yeah, but also the mention of it being a good thing dodging military service in Ukraine for her cousin
I live in the bay and it’s CRAZY how much good will Elon has squandered.
I am of a similar age to Elon. People of our age didn't get assessed for autism unless we were beating our heads on the ground and playing with trains and dinosaurs. I had my tonsils and adenoids removed partially because they thought I was hard of hearing. I would just go off and zone out randomly. The sad thing is I was hard of hearing and autistic, but because of my hearing issues the autism was missed. I was bullied. I had weird levels of genius about some things, and was stupid about others. I could read at a college level, yet I couldn't learn to tell time. As an autistic person I can tell you that Elon is definitely on the spectrum. He is probably more on the spectrum than I am because I learned how to socialize almost to a "normal" level. Now don't get me wrong, I am not proud of Elon being an autistic person. Most of us are awesome, but when we are bad we are really really shitty people. I have an older brother who is Asperger Syndrome, mentally gifted, very very weird. He is also a true psychopath. You can be a psychopath and have autism. I think Elon is a psychopath. He devalues other people's lives.
Good point. Also blaming autism when he gets caught for something dumb or evil he did is a very psychopathing thing to do.
@@Studeb There is this misnomer that people with autism lack empathy. We show empathy in a different way, but many of us are even more empathetic than average. Some of us have something called "synthesia", meaning we have literal empathetic pain by being around people in pain. This is how I discovered I am highly likely to be autistic. It isn't some wuwu psychic thing. It is a condition where your body develops the symptoms of people you care about. Just thought I would mention that most autistic people are highly caring even if we do not understand certain emotions. Some of us can't get angry, or lack the ability to be romantic, etc, but that doesn't mean we completely lack emotion, or compassion for feelings we can't share.
@@karenholmes6565 I think everybody has some level of autism, at least I see some very lower level signs in myself. I have met very autistic people who seem very selfish, I consider this to be something different from typical psychopathy, but it still results in me not wanting to be anywhere near these people.
@@Studeb There is nothing wrong or ableist to decide that a certain person is not your vibe. It is another to describe all autistic people as "selfish". I can imagine some of us get hyper focused on our special interests and that would be off putting. Here is the thing though, autism at its root is a sensory and communication disorder. Autistic people are not innately selfish.
I find most allistic people to be some level of narcissistic, they reason from emotion. They can be extremely hierarchical. They often bully. The snobbery among allistics is pretty gross. Not all allistic people are like this, but a good many are.
Contrary to you, I don't think he is on the spectrum. I think he is self-diagnosed and in truth has a wholly different condition. The story about him being bullied is, like everything he says about himself, a distorted account, it was actually him who bullied another person who hit back.
He is not asocial, not in the way people on the spectrum are. He has an almost pathological need for adulation & praise. He also said himself that he has a great fear of being alone, and that's why he had so many divorces and quick re-marriages - that's not the kind of relationships people on the spectrum would or could have.
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Your team could to 1000 episodes on this guy and I would listen to all of them.
Wow I really want them to revisit this episode. When I first started listening to it I thought it was only 5 months old (the TH-cam post date) but the half hearted semi defense of maybe he didn’t deserve an episode at the beginning and other sympathetic comments throughout made this very hard to listen to (it’s obvious he was having major trouble dropping his fanboy opinions of Elon at that time still in 2020 and I would hope that has changed) made me realize this had to be an archive episode so I checked the description.
Still the Kanye comparison was apt and the writing was on the wall in 2020 and I just want to hear updated opinions now that he’s gone full mask off Nazi, all his degrees are fake, he’s been sicking people on the trans community, most of the abusive childhood and bullying was fake (Elon was the bully in most cases and that beating they mentioned came after Elon was bullying them and they fought back - we now know he just wanted this backstory of a bullied misunderstood genius), and he has been courting MAGA Republicans and helping Russia in their war against Ukraine. And that’s a very incomplete list.
Ikr? There's so much more material to work with in an episode now
Yeah a group of Italians in Africa in the late 70s or early 80s in desperate need of a plane were willing to pay around 8 times what it would cost new and owned part of an emerald mine just across the border from Rhodesia they wanted to get rid of. I am sure everything was legit.
Important note about how he benefited from grandpappys citizenship is that Canada doesnt let autistic people immigrate here, and it is extremely likely that he was only able to come because of the familial connection. (Speaking as an autistic Canadian, this is a deeply screwed up situation, particularly given that the claimed purpose is to limit the burden on our support systems, and yet it is exceedingly difficult even for someone born here to get access to those supports)
Wait, what? That's awful! How do they even screen for that? Lots of autistic people don't even know they are.
That is BS
This aged well 🤣
Might need to do an update on the ol Muskareeno there, with all the ways he's gone even more off the deep end since 2020 lmao
I refuse to call him anything but his full name: Elongated Muskrat. XD
At last! Thanks Robert.
damn watching this from the future makes me really appreciate sofyia's anti-musk energy
Listening to this in 2023 is a trip.
Damn this really needs an update
2012 - Disney buys Lucanfilm for $4 billion (and immediately proceed to destroy it),
2022 - Creepy Musk buys TWITter for $44 billion - 44 BILLION - 11 times more than the Disney Purchase, thus making him, eh, 11 times SMARTER, yeah? Oh wait - he also immediately proceeded to destroy it. KNOB!
Which is why I don't think the 'wokeness' is the reason Disney sucks. I think it's just terminal corpo brain. As Musk demonstrates.
I believe Elon was traumatized at very early childhood, which led to him dissociating and being misdiagnosed with some other disorder around hearing and attention. It took me a lot of therapy to reach a point where I didn't dissociate. What happens is time freezes, your whole body clenches, and you become catatonic. Sometimes it happens while you are doing something, so your body kind of just keeps doing whatever repetitive pattern you were doing that doesn't require cognition, while your consciousness is sifting through memories to consolidate them. With very early childhood trauma, we don't retain much of the raw sensory input as memory, we just absorb it as a strong emotional response. Therefore, we grow up never knowing we were traumatized at very early childhood. We just grow up with these intense feelings and confusion around it all. Given how bad Elon's father was, there is no doubt that something traumatic happened either to him or around him at an age when he didn't properly consolidate the memory.
It seems to me that musk is just trying to get his lies straight.
I can somewhat relate to the guest whomst I have forgotten the name of. When I was a small ween, I had to have grommets shoved in my ear canals due to fluid build up making me deaf for quite a bit relatively and unable to speak for a bit. I now just have to clean my ear canals quite often, because them mfs fill up with wax and are huge. Like getting noise-cancelling to work with ear buds is a pain, and I can hear and feel pressure changes when going up and down elevations when in a car or train.
Hearing is kinda cool tho, so I wouldn't object if I was given a time machine and the ability to change the outcome of my life.
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If only he had the money to get some therapy for his issues... 😶
I enjoyed the video! Thanks so much!
All hail the Algorithm.
Update when?
Gonna need a part 3 now lol
1:06:49 This was pre -Raytheon as a sponsor? Because that would have been a great 'Knife missile" plug
yea so this is gonna need a part 3
He's alive. That's the right reason. He's alive.
Spacing out occasionally is associated with a number of neurological disorders, but seems to be common in certain heritable epilepsies.
Ashlee Vance is a guy, not a girl.
Yeah, I feel like this is important in a few places. A lot of his takes would probably not be a woman's take on the same situation.
"These goods and services respect consent." I'm dying.
"do you think I'm insane"
The blandest breed, yes
But is he really a career obsessed workaholic? It looks to me like he f*s around on twitter all day. I counted them once and he sent over 90 tweets in one day, I don't have time to do that with one job.
From 2017 to 2022, Musk posted on twitter about 10,000 times. Which works out to about 6 posts a day. Ok, that doesn't sound like a lot... but that's just original posts, that number doesn't include retweets, "likes", or replies, which he does far more frequently than original posts; nor does it include time spent reading, formulating posts/responses, and surfing, which, let's be honest, you can't really quantify but it all presumably happens. And this rate of posting hasn't changed significantly since his acquisition of the company in late 2022.
If he's the CEO of 4-5 companies... kinda seems like he doesn't actually do much for hose corporations. Especially where, as mentioned, he acquired twitter in late 2022 and seems to be spending an inordinate amount of time dealing with the mess he created there (as I type this, he is threatening to put Twitter behind a paywall, which obviously is a really good idea that couldn't possibly backfire).
Oh he also spends a lot of time - by his own admission - playing video games. I know for a fact he played Elden Ring last year.
@@TheDarthbinky I was counting both original tweets and replies, I didn't look at likes. It's hard to figure out where he finds the time when he's running three companies and wants people to think he's a real-life Tony Stark.
@@lisadioguardi5742I agree with you, I was just using numbers provided by Common Sense Skeptic, another youtuber who takes great joy in debunking Musk's nonsense. That 6 posts a day was just an average; presumably he goes WAY over that on some days and there may be days where he doesn't post anything. Your numbers are probably right for that timeframe you looked.
Oh yeah, I was rewatching a CSS vid earlier and he pointed out that Musk also does a lot of publicity stuff. He's constantly doing interviews, tedtalks, and those promotional things, like that one where he had a "dancing robot" that was just a guy in a terrible robot costume or the ones where he lies about the stuff he's about to come out with and then never comes out with it but his cultists want to jerk him off anyway.
That's more time spent away from his jobs as CEO.
pre twitter buying elon deep dive ,,, its wild to hear anyone with a non decisive opinion abt muskrat
It's wild listening to this in the future after the twitter debacle
Can’t wait to hear about “Jamie Loftus/hammers”!!!!
Don't worrh, he turned out fine
OMG, someone else who called Jeff Bezos Bee-zos. I thought it was just me
1:04:19
*Big belly laugh*
🤣😂😫
He's like the kid who wasn’t invited to the party but came anyway and shat in the pool just to get a reaction.
Privilege. It exists. But, talking to a banker? No. You can learn that by watching television and reading books.
SpaceX would still be making good progress without him being involved. It might have been doing better had he just thrown a lot of money at it, and then done NOTHING. So the best I can say about his involvement with it, is that he didn't drive it too far into the ground for it to survive.
If you're driving a rocket company into the ground, all you need to do is turn it upside down because someone assembled it wrong
I'm late to this, enjoying the podcast ... but I would like to point out one small thing ... Ashlee Vance ... is a man ... 🤣
Errol Musk is maybe the only person on Earth whose version of events should NOT be given more credence than Elon's.
Oh of course he's tied to The Scoop.
We aren't really a better country, we just have better PR
Edit: my parents used to hide my books so I'd play with toys, according to them.
Ah, someone who would be gone if only the SEC did their job.
....then there was TFG, who threatened his kindergarten teacher with hid dad's clout and threw rocks at the neighbor toddler in his crib.
All this was before Elon bought Twitter too. 😂
And rebranded as X!
IMO problem with Musk is he might not be the worst person in his childhood and at the same time he qualifies as the Bastard in flying colors at the same time which compounds with reality distortion effect
IT takes whomping privilege to PRESUME so far as to cold call influential strangers to ask for their personal time and attention, to say nothing of funds to buy lunch from wherever such people deem acceptably luxurious.
The "internship" was paid for by his dad.
Child abuse sucks because it forces you to be slightly sympathetic towards assholes. That's probably the worst thing about it, tbh.
you and i live in different worlds. i've always thought traumatized/dead children would be the worst thing about child abuse :/
@@technopoptart - Yeah, I might not have been entirely serious about that.
@@FTZPLTC my bad, it is hard to place the vibe on written stuff and plenty of people would say this in ernest
Michael Jackson comes to mind. The man had /serious/ issues, up to and including the not-proven-in-court-but-probably-true pedophilia. But given his upbringing of physical and emotional abuse, it's no surprise that he was so fucked-up.
If he hadn't also become super-rich, he would probably have ended up in prison. But you know how it goes... a poor man with psychiatric problems is a dangerous criminal, a rich man with the same is an eccentric.
Honestly, no matter how bad someone is, it is out of their hands at some point. Either their environment made them bad or they were born bad. There are no other options. Either way, you don't actually get to choose who you become
The waffling in this is legendary
The sympathy here seems a little weird to me, because probably every other single bastard this podcast has ever talked about had shitty childhoods, some much worse than Musk and they don't get this level of empathy, it kinda sour the episode for me.
I think my takeaway would be that this is a positive new development in their practice. This is only my second video of theirs, other than Scott Adams, who definitely didn't have that kind of childhood, so I can't really speak from experience. But as a whole, I like this approach, because people often are morally complex like that and I think the sympathy is a good reminder that we could've been bastards too if we grew up like that.
@@sageoftruth I understand that people are morally complex, but it's is annoying to me when it's done conditionally, in this same episode they talk about how horrible Sadam Russein was, a person who had a much, much, much, shittier childhood than Musk.
@bluester7177 Well and the slight defense of Erol owning an emerald mine.
"Well we don't know how he came to own half of it"
Does it matter how he got it when it's easy to summarize what he did with it either way?
God bless bad fathers. World wouldn't be the same without them.
That's disgusting.
@@bethanychatman9531 truth often is.
We don’t need Elon musk for any of the things Musky boy had taken credit for
Yeah but what about what Elon contributed to Cadillacs and dinosaurs? But honestly I heard his coding is shit and stuff he wrote just didn't work.
Waaaay too much benefit of the doubt is given Elon here. Wow
So Elon is basically Draco Malfoy. Very hateable, and then you see how his dad and his dad's friends treat 'em.
Nope, I don't think you can compare the two. Draco grew out of his asshole horrible ways and Musk has not. He's a racist, misogynystic, oppressive person, that apparently is a bad father.
That is insulting to Draco!
sympathetic or simpathetic
I like this show, but anyone okay with the goverment being able to tell someone what their childs name can be is a little off.
I didn't know Sophie lived in Odessa. I almost died there at age 4. Odessa sucks almost as bad as Musk.
Elon seems to have learned all the wrong lessons(or just didn't learn any) about being an abused neurodivergent.
He was actually the abuser (in the story about him being tossed down the stairs... that happened because he made fun of a kid's recently deceased parent), and he's probably lying about being neurodivergent as a cover for his sociopathic behavior.
Whats wrong with nate silver? Why does robert not like him?
because he sucks
i gathered that but what has he done/said. honestly i would like to know. i used to listen to him before the 16 election. has he gone off on some dilbertesque meltdown?@@hardlyworking_
Yikes you are in support of elons ego SpaceX.
This episode was recorded in 2020, so lots of things are outdated from then
@@benny_lemon5123 ok, fair enough.
Elon Musk is a scammer and I’d want to snipe the short position, the only thing to look out is when the public perspective is changing.
I thought this was behind the bastards not an elon musk puff piece. Sheesh.
Unlike some of these I feel this is terribly out of date. And now either Robert hates Elon with serious passion or hes way more of a lib than I thought he was.
This aired in 2020. It's in the description.
@@christineortiz5019 that's my point. A lot has happened since.
@@BriarLeaf00 like what? All of Elon's moves since then have been worse
@@YTwoKay Jesus fucking christ. Yes that's my point. Christ almighty.
What? Robert having liberal leanings? Preposterous!
STOP SAYING "LIKE"
do you not like it?
Now that you've pointed it out, I can't un-hear it.
Like, why?
Oh boy their covid talk did not age well 😂
Your channel is similar to the young turks. Why don't you ever crit Biden, Schumer, Pelosi or the Clinton crime families? Just crit influential ppl near the right instead. Missed opportunities giving dems no attention. Bummer.
Bro why in the world do you pay that weird big head of yours there the whole time it's unnerving. Take it down!
Great segment on a well known bastard. Sofiya Alexandra is intolerable, however. Please I hope you do not have her return.
Lol. I’m unfamiliar with her, can you bring me up to speed?
58:10 insightful and valid point- difficult for most to apply in cases like these, yet appropriate. Despite her clearly stated disdain, she went here. She's potentially the most intellectually honest person I've heard in a while... Fresh air of sorts🫡
Honestly the most objective, deeper defense/insight into Elon than Robert or prob most similar analysis attempting the same