*Keep in mind that most people on anti-anxiety medication don't have sudden suicidal or homicidal urges. Mass murderers are an incredibly small percentage of people. I mean INCREDIBLY small. There have to be a lot more things in place to lead a person to do something like that. If you're on anti-anxiety medication, take your proper dosage. And if you experience strange thoughts like wanting to self-harm, tell your doctor IMMEDIATELY! It could be the medication, and a dosage change or a switch over to another medication could fix that problem! Be smart!*
Rob DykeIn my honest opinion is that it not only by medication but also the fact on genes and personal tolerance level. Even the way they think is important cause it tells a lot on person's character. Also society influence and the environment plays an vital role in this progression towards mass homicides. We have to be extremely cautious around if any guy shows these any traits of such potential catastrophe
It's not always the medicine in my opinion, dealing with kids it's the children at the schools bullying the children everyday that starts the depression then at one point they just snap, implosive people are more serious than explosive people, implosive just holds there anger in over a period of time until it explodes. Explosive yells and such so watch out for those "shy" people they have feelings to.
roslan bayu What do you mean? Of course it doesn’t look the same. In one case a plane crashed into an urban environment and in the other it was just mountain side. Most of the 911 wreckage was buried under debris from the buildings.
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It's sad that that many people had to die for us to realize that depression is a serious mental illness. I've lived with it all my life and everytime I would tell someone about it they would tell me to stop feeling sorry for myself. Only just recently have people started to actually realize just how bad my depression is...a
depression isnt an illness, its a state of mind and a symptom of a psykological illness like bipolar disorder, anxiety, autism, or a reaction to a horrible situation.
thunderclanliveson1 Would you not want to ... not cheer him?... I mean, sure that sounds mean... but it's like a nurse telling you (after helping you heal through a deadly accident (Car crash or something similar)) "We hope to see you again". No... Don't hope to see them again please ;3; ...
You could have easily gone into law enforcement & criminology, but you chose to follow your entertainer side of you. I just love the fact that you didn't leave your fascination with crime & killers behind. I like how to use your channel to combine them together. I think mental health screenings need to be more of a priority. Many people with mental illness won't seek help before something potential fatal may happen, i think if we reach out more instead of pretending it doesn't exist, it would make it at least a bit better. Will there always be evil people, is my question...
Emily Kamikaze Sadly yes there will always be people who sense of right and wrong or presumption is messed up but remember their is nothing that is truly evil or good only different views.
People love to say that mental health screenings are the answer to so many problems... serial killers, depressed pilots etc... while im not against screening, let me play devils advocate. Say we make a mental health screening part of a yearly physical. Who gets to dictate what and what isnt mentally healthy? Besides the obvious of couse. But then again the obviously mentally ill arent really the issue. How would a wide scale screening catch a serial killer for example, who are fantastic at hiding symptoms. Give an empathy test? But then what about those who are naturally less empathetic but arent killers. Medicate them? Not to mention the massive spike in people being dosed with psychotropic drugs akin to the mass prescription of anti depressants and adhd medicine.
b33lze6u6 There is not good answer we just have to bumble are way forward. As to the serial killer they don't tend use guns as his videos have proven the killers that mostly use are talked about here serial killers take delight and joy in their killings they savor the pain of their victims.
Parker Family You sir are a bigot and one of the major problems with the world I respect your opinions and your right to have them but right now you are attacking a person based of their believes and not their current actions.
I am a man who has suffered from depression and anxiety all my life, I am also a Law Enforcement Officer working in the Department of Corrections and Owen firearms here in the U.S.A. the difference from me and these psychopaths is I never in my mind would consider harming another human being. I sought help when I felt I needed it and at low points in my life if I or my family and/or friends thought my firearms may come to the jeopardy of my own physical well being, I willingly relinquished then till everyone, including myself knew I was in stable sound peace of mind. I have also spoken with doctors and asked them their professional opinions of they would think a man in my situation should own, posses or operate firearms and none felt that I would or will ever become a safety hazard to myself or anyone else with the precautions we have set in place for the times I feel less than happy. I do believe as I deal with criminals on a daily basis know evil is out there, but also know there are ways to prevent these tragities we now hear about on almost a daily. If you know a family, friend or co-worker that seems to be on the brink of something like in the stories Rob has spoken about in this video, then speak up and reach out. Or if you think you may one day get to that point, know it's not needed, help is out there. I've personally felt helpless, hopeless and lost. But having the right structure and support changed all of that. Don't give up on yourself and feel that taking it out on the world is the answer.
It's an interesting topic to consider. Medications are good for the mentally ill (like myself) but they do carry some horrible side effects. Anything that works to change your overall brain chemistry is going to have some unwarranted responses. Depending on the person and what they are being treated for. I am really glad you brought this video up, Rob. As it's an issue that doesn't always get thought about too much.
Nate i wish it was easier to find good psychiatrists. i've had so many that gave me the wrong kind of meds without even reading the correct chart. no lies. i was incorrectly diagnosed with schizophrenia at age 13 and loaded up with heavy medication that made me so delusional that at one point i started thinking it was fake and overdosed so badly that i technically died and was in a coma for 3 days. thankfully i have been re-diagnosed properly now and surprise to no one that idiot had no idea what was going on before. i do rely on several medications to treat my psychosis and personality/anxiety disorders and depression but now i have a wonderful doctor who collaborates her efforts with my therapist for the most successful treatment i could have imagined. i don't know if you live in the US, but i have medicaid and as much as it is necessary, the majority of the care you can receive is of poor quality and you are treated like scum sadly. i am one of the lucky ones who have enough knowledge and experience with the system and my own mental functions that i can now mostly avoid the shittier situations, but that isn't the case for most. there should be a way for us to be heard and taken seriously instead of being written off as "crazy" or stupid for having a mental illness. however i am glad that i've never been allowed a gun, because there are times when i will admit that i could be so unaware during an episode that i am afraid of what would happen. so, i think both are very important, though the mental health screenings should be a priority if you ask me.
I agree, sometimes finding a good doctor can be hard. They were a bit TOO medication happy when I was in inpatient. They asked me if I wanted an Ambien ontop of my other TWO sedatives and I declined, saying I would be comatose enough as it was. When ti comes to mental health we are still trying to fill in the blanks and patch up the cracks.
yeah my old psychiatrist (rafael tatay by the way, avoid him at all costs if you want to keep your brain intact lol) had me on 800mg of seroquel per day which is the max legal dosage and he said he wanted to bump it up to 1,200mg, so i said fuck him and saw someone else. my new doctor was absolutely horrified when i told her what he would prescribe me. he should lose his fucking license.
Ysmanol Batista How do you know that anything he's said is true? Even then, if his sources are correct. They aren't his. From what I heard, he's just recapping.
Ysmanol Batista Before TH-cam, Rob worked as a counselor for sexual offenders, private investigator, and executive protection specialist. But he chose and pursued his passion of comedy (WWYPTOTI), and film. Which I'm really grateful, because I love the contents in his videos.
Your character for your "darkside" videos is great. You put off this "I've seen, learned and know too much worldy vibe". It's like your telling us things to try to give us understanding and knowledge... but there is a sarcastic dry almost corny "I'm telling you but you probably wont remember this to save your own life" flavor to it that just makes it wonderfully entertaining. This character would make a great "horror host". Come to think of it.... you are!
the government needs to stop denying treatment for mentally disturbed people and get them more help and to find ant-depressant that won't have that side effects. .
This is one of my favourite videos of yours so far; I could watch a documentary length version! The way you listed the categories of mass murders/serial killers with examples, and especially parallels, I found really interesting
One of the best episodes you've done yet Rob, very interesting. Mental health is such a personal and complicated issue that I think must be tackled case by case.
This is an episode that hits close to home. With my mental illnesses, I've been prescribed many different medications, and a few caused sudden suicidal urges. It's pretty scary...
Rob thanks for this video -- you are the first person (that I am aware of) that has taken the time to explain the differences in a video - you made this very easy to understand the differences between each type. #murderers #murder #questions #killers #crime
+SonofSethoitae Idk about that. In many of the cases I've seen, the perpetrators have some SERIOUS issues. People like Seung Hui Cho, Jared Loughner, James Holmes, John Russell Houser, Dylan Klebold/Eric Harris, for instance, all had some SERIOUS issues, and there were PLENTY of signs prior to their kililng sprees which hinted toward their derangement and potential to do what they did. They didn't just flip out one day out of nowhere. They planned their attacks, and in many cases, they wrote manifestos or recorded video speaking their RIDICULOUSLY INSANE nonsense explaining their motivations.
They ARE regular people, just suffered through more abuse. Why don't we start acknowledging the abuse by people that drove them that far? Those people get away clean. Yeah the person was in emotional and neurological distress. From whom?
Anyone is capable of horrific acts. Everyone starts as a relatively innocent child. Your growing up years do have a great impact on who you become, but I know personally 13 out of 15 kids who came from a horrific background who are now doing excellently. The one really went off the deep end, and the other had a bad number of years but is doing very well. How bad things are handled also have a major part to play. Take Hitler for example. He blamed all his failures on the Jews and became who he was
Thank you for talking about this in depth. Most of the time the media just portrays people with mental illnesses as crazy and dangerous and as someone who has been suffering from depression for 7 years this just makes me incredibly sad. I would never willingly hurt anyone and I don't condone any kind of violence. I'm grateful for the insight you gave us by mentioning all the other factors that lead to people commiting such horrendous crimes and not just blaming it on mental illnesses.
I think both are important. But with mental health screenings there needs to be the support for people with mental illnesses. Otherwise it's just making a bad situation worse. And unfortunately we do live in a world where governments loves to cut corners and save nickels and dimes by cancelling programs which can help people get their lives back on track.
People refuse to give support to those with mental health issues because they fear what they don't understand. That's why they cut funding. That's also another reason why a lot of times people with BPD can't get to the therapy designed to help them learn to cope with their disorder. Their insurance won't pay for it. It's a hard road for those with mental illness and until someone takes a stand, no one will get the help they deserve
Brii Hammer True and if you are low income enough to qualify that would mean you'd barely be getting by with expenses. But also I've noticed that if you're not the right kind of "screwed up" so to speak, you don't qualify either, personal experience. This could be different elsewhere, and I hope it is.
WhenTheSkyTurnsDark I'll be honest, I never thought much about this.But coming from my own perspective, I've had a traumatic brain injury that nearly costed my life. To say that gun restriction is needed is absurd to me. I think mental health screening is much more needed. Just because there are a few bad eggs in the basket doesn't mean you throw them all out. It sounds absurd, but there's been many occasions that law-abiding citizens do stop killings and thieves. I'm not saying everybody should be armed- but majority of these mass murders are in areas that are typically "safe" for the mass murderer to get away with it until the police arrive (which is typically 30 minutes.) The mass killers know the perfect locations to make their violent acts in- "gun-free" zones. They know that they are going to commit a terrible act and want it to go on without a hitch. So they choose for the easiest targets and best place to commit their crimes.
Cor Atro i was against guns but i am slowly being turned to the side of allowing guns cause the people who wanna kill will obtain the gun no matter what illegally but if the right person has a gun they can potentially save so many lives
This episode is a slightly different format than previous episodes. However, it's engaging and thought provoking. Once again, you prove you can tweak the episodes to keep each one interesting without losing the original intent of the series. Good job, Rob!
@msjoppie5414. Tell your doctor your symptoms and how you are feeling and let him or her change the medication. There is no need to feel like a zombie today with so many drugs out there. Tell your doctor to change the medicine because it is not good for you. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE who knows your body 100%. And if this doctor doesn’t change your medicine, then CHANGE DOCTORS until you find one that listen to you. I hope this helps. Good luck to you.
Any remember Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction? Jonathan Franks and James Brolin both hosted the shows back like 15 years ago. Anyway, I think they should remake that show and you should totally host it Rob :D You would be perfect!
you did this video really well Rob. You explained why mental health medication helps but also explained that it can alter mindsets of certain people since it is so touchy. Yet you managed to explain that while yes in the grand scheme of tjings it prevents depression it can also cause something to snap if not properly monitered.
Prozac made me extremely suicidal. I only took it for a few months and it made me anxiety better but my depression was so bad I’d cry and self harm at night like 5 times a week whereas before meds ur was probably 1-3 times every 2 weeks
Hey, so I have a few things to add to the discussion; Firstly, in an American context, there's a never-ending debate over whether they should ban guns (it's not going to make the situation any better, if someone has decided they're going to murder other people they'll find a gun/weapon somewhere). I can not help but notice how frightening the American media is. I'm Irish and our national broadcaster is pretty banal, however American TV is scary. Take for example a news channel informing everyone that there is a flu outbreak. Now, if that were broadcasted in Ireland we'd be shown clips of a few people in bed with a few cringy transitions and slides of random information. But in America, whoah, it would be like watching some kind of sci-fi horror flick (I'm not hypothesizing here, I've seen this kind of stuff). What I'm trying to say is that from an outsiders perspective, the American media is very, very good at creating hysteria even in the smallest proportions. A great example is Bush's 'war on terrorism' when quite frankly, it is he who is the war criminal (I'm not in any way saying that what happened in New York on 9/11 wasn't awful, but seriously, look into it and see what America was up to in the middle east). Basically what I'm saying it is seems to me that the media has everyone on edge and scared shitless. Combine this with a lack of mental health care and you have a recipe for disaster. Of course there's other factors too however I don't think the debate should revolve around guns. Debate should revolve around mental health, education around mental health and media sensationalism taken too far. That's my two cents. Feel free to debate.
You pretty much nailed it. That's exactly the reason why I don't watch the news (and many other reasons). When Ebola hit the scene, I was waiting for it to blow over. The first news thing I saw on it when browsing through channels was a chart showing how many people it would spread to in a span of 2 months and how many would die. I admit it scared me a little. I forgot about it after a few months after endless coverage of it and remembered it a few weeks ago on a video discussing 2014. There has been no coverage of Ebola since that scare. It just went away. I'm not really sure how I feel about American news. On one hand, things like Ebola, shootings, bombings, etc should be covered. I'm sure if they didn't make it sound like a big deal then people would freak out for not covering such atrocities, but can they cover the story without the full intent of scaring the shit out of the public? When the Virginia Tech shooter couldn't be found, my schools shut EVERYTHING down. I live in South Dakota and the media said he could literally be anywhere. We heard that my little brother's school was evacuated because they heard a gunshot. Our news station was suddenly covering the story of the VT shooter possibly being in one of our Elemenary Schools. They also covered a kid who went missing and said he was either dead or a hostage. The next day, we learned that the gunshot heard was a table collapsing over and the kid was hiding in a bush for hours because he thought he was in trouble. It was all my school could talk about for 3 days.
Doomslayingrocker It's pretty crazy. Everything from Kim Kardashian's left knee to tragedies such as the Boston bombing are sensationalised in the American media.
Tony Tony Chopper If you're confused as to why I said 'in an American context' it's because I'm from Ireland and we're talking about America, so I just wanted to clarify that as I'm not actually directly affected by the media I was critiquing.
Lainehh Honestly I totally feel the same. I live in Germany and in comparison to what they show on american media its nothing here. The media does exaggerate often though. But it's hard to know when.
My daughter showed me your videos and now I am hooked. I have always been a little obsessed with serial killer's and u got some videos on here I am fixing to watch.You are awesome thanks for sharing these.Rock on .
This is very common actually, a lot of antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds have what is called a "black box warning". In other words, antidepressants meant to get rid of suicidal thoughts can cause you to become suicidal...
+The Phantom Safety Pin You can get so depressed that you're not motivated to commit suicide even if you have the thoughts. The meds give you back motivation which may drive you to suicide but after a while the thoughts may recede.
+KoshVader The fortunate thing is that most people with clinical depression will, eventually, find a medicine that works or will seek another option. Depression is a difficult and tricky thing to deal with, as is any mental illness. For some (like me) becoming suicidal can be a wake-up call. For others, that feeling never goes away even with medicine. I will post this here for anyone who is dealing with suicidal thoughts, or perhaps having trouble with depression or anxiety. If you're suffering with these thoughts, please remember you are NOT alone. It might not feel like it now, but the agony you're feeling won't be forever. Please, reach out to someone and get help. Here is a suicide prevention hotline (not sure of the number in other countries, but here it is for the US): www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org
When a mass murder or suicide or anything like this happens, people want to be able to blame one thing. They want to be able to say 'the medication made her do this, let's not use this medication' or 'Violet video games made him do this, let's ban/restrict violent video games.' It's just not as simple as this. While better regulations or banning some of the factors that lead to the crime may help, there will still be people who commit these crimes. Human behaviour is one of the hardest things to predict, yet we rely on doctors and psychs and teachers to predict it and get angry when they miss something or there wasn't anything there to begin with. Honestly, more accessible and cheaper mental health services are a good place to start. What about the people who are good at pretending and lying to psychs though? And what about the people who do these things without ever showing signs of mental illness? While I know that America isn't the only country with this kind of crime, it's definitely the place where it seems to happen the most. Easy access to guns is definitely a factor, and there's no denying that Australia's gun crime numbers have massively decreased since stricter gun laws were brought in after the Port Arthur Massacre. I feel like the culture around men and guns and violence needs to be looked at, as well as mental illness/genetics. I can't recall/find who said this, but I think it's fitting in a lot of these cases, "His genetics load the gun, his psychology aims it, and the environment pulls the trigger."
Mikayla Mackenzie Australias gun violence didnt go down BECAUSE of the ban after Port Arthur...... i hate that people dont look closer at the issues. It was going down already BEFORE Port Arthur....... SAME as the United States. Which has gone down consistently since 1991 WITHOUT a gun ban........gun control is not proven to correlate to crime control. It went down in America and Australia. Starting at around 90, 91. One had a gun ban and one didnt. Also look at Mexico and Brazil..... very restrictive gun control..... blew their crime numbers way up. To the point Brazil is considering repealing all gun control and adding a 2nd amendment right type amendment. And look at the UK who love to talk about US and guns, missing the irony of that. Their overall violent crimes and homicides went UP after gun ban. It spiked and eventually started coming down, but is still couple percentage points above where it was when ban was enacted. In other words no years have had lower homicide rates than the year Ban was enacted. Yet US has halved their Homicide Rate since 1991. ........ but please tell us more how a country with half the worlds guns.......... is ironically the one that has halved its homicide rate without any ban.....is the crazy country
Something people seem to think silly, but choose to ignore is that Australia is an island. A very very big island. However, it’s separated from places that would bring weapons illegally into the country. The largest sources of illegal drugs and weapons in this country come from Mexico. If guns were completed banned in the United States, it wouldn’t stop the violence
This is one of the reasons I refuse to take meds for my depression/anxiety. Its kinda screwed up that it alters people differently so you never know how it might affect you. Thanks for the videos there amazing. Ive been watching you since before the seriously strange series and I absolutely love it. Keep up the good work on your videos rob you're amazing!!!(:
Mental health screenings are more important in my opinion, The tighter the gun restrictions, the better the black market for them becomes. At least this way we will have a better idea who is susceptible to the allure of such acts as the ones spoken of in this video
+Parker Family Did you not read what he said? He said that restricting them would just create more criminals, as the black market for them would grow. He's defending current gun laws.
Cody Lampley bullshit. in europe due to gun restrictions, the culture of using guns to protect/attack just completely evaporated. nobody would think of using a gun to commit crime here, and if they do it's *almost always* a gas pistol or a bb gun.mental health screenings and gun restriction are equally important.
mikeyroxxit93 The difference is motive. A terrorist kills for political/religious reasons. A mass murderer might kill because his employer fired him. Big difference.
mikeyroxxit93 Yeah, the point with a terrorist is to instill fear with political/religious motivations, mass murderers aren't necessarily trying to instill fear to inact change. They just want to kill.
Having depression and anxiety myself, I still think mental health screenings would be more beneficial than gun control. As is commonly said, it's not the gun doing the killing, it's the person holding it. Considering I've experienced the extremities of both depression and anxiety as well as minor bouts of mania, I think I can say how debilitating it really can be. And how much it can alter the mind to think or do things it normally wouldn't. I believe there are genuinely bad people out there, but I'm not sure all killers = bad dudes. Keep in mind, though, that I'm not saying killing people is an acceptable action and can be forgiven.
Yeah, I often saw it happen in the wwyptoti videos and I thought it was for dramatizing the scenario but I noticed it a few times I'm this one and now I'm not sure
Rob Dyke I watched all your videos with my brother and i never really understood the why in making all of these disturbing videos, but now i realized that you are strong and try to stand up for the blind and the realizing people that this world needs a change of heart but we know no one will awaken from septembers slumber. for those 150 people that left on the 24/03/2015 to give a sign,the wolrd deserves a moment of peace for them.
@@alphabetsoup6837 There's a lot of fundamental attribution errors. Like when we see somebody else doing a bad thing, we assume they're inherently bad. Yet we look at ourselves in such situations and we don't attribute our personality to wrong actions we commit.
I feel like mental health screening is more important, mental health care in america is really lacking, especially with all the new pressure kids get now a days in school.
This was a great video, it was well thought out and researched. It also presents the information and does not come to a definitive conclusion or stance. Thanks Rob, those types of videos really fascinate me.
I think we need to focus on the fact that most deviant behaviours start because the person endured horrible childhood. If we made sure no child is neglected, abused, bullied or hurt in similar ways, we would live in a much better world.
A lot of people have gone through hell in their lives and do NOT kill, maim, or attack other living things. People need to stop using what might be a REASON as an EXCUSE for their behaviours.
Rob, I'm glad that you decided to do this video, not enough people talk about mental illness and want to act like it doesn't exist even when they have relatives that suffer from it. Only when something tragic happens to them that they want to start to talk about it and try to change the system. I'm not talking about everyone, just those select people that choose to turn a blind eye, depression is a real disease I have know that since I was a child. At one point in time I suffered from it and was able to get past it, but each individual is different, I hope that as a society we will start to talk openly about it more. And something can be done to help people get the proper care they need, and one more thing, people need to stop. Making people feel ashamed of suffering from depression and other mental illnesses that is one way to get started with helping people.
I'm prescribed lorazepam and it makes sense. If I were to change the dose in amount or frequency , I would become intensely irrational, be incredibly angry and panic.
Hey Lorazepam brother, I take it to stick me in a calmed state when I have incredibly painful Humira Shots in my leg. Amitriptyline is used from 10 - 25 mg to treat Irritable Bowel Syndrome, but in higher doses, 25 - 50 mg it can be used as a mild antidepressant and psychotic.
Mhm, yes, some people really do need these medications to try and lead a better life. It's tough. Mental health screening is so important but it can be treated as taboo at times.
Keesha McNeill I have never heard of a benzo making people angry. I have had too much of klonopin (another -pam, and I had forgotten I had taken a dose already - it was a bad anxiety day) and it only made me incredibly tired and dizzy. You might want to talk to your doctor about changing your med to something different if you are finding it is giving you episodes of anger if you accidentally take too much.
Keesha McNeill I know the feel. I was told to take a much to high dosis of sertralin, and it resulted in me becoming almost zombie like, unable to feel emotion, until it would all build up and I would explode in violent fits of anger. It was the scariest experience of my life. I felt like a different person.
You're absolutely right. If I deeply wanted to kill someone with a spoon, I bet I could get the job done. So now I need a gun to protect me from rouge spoons.
Thanks Rob for this episode! I'm currently taking a Criminology class and these articles and topics, including your entire serial killer series, is helping me breeze through this class! Plus they are just so fascinating!
I think we should definitely focus more on Mental Health than outlawing guns and other weapons. Anyone can take up a weapon, but only a mentally unbalanced person (or someone with a psychological disorder) would take up that weapon and use it to injure or kill another human being. Especially another human being that they have no connection with or someone they have a deeper connection with, such as a spouse or parent.
wildnorthsea Our guns are for punishing & arresting politicians who transgress the Constitution and abuse their temporary powers, for instance, a president refuses to leave office after 8 years and makes a deal with military leaders to protect them from the public and protect their treason...well, we have 400 million guns and a few billion rounds of ammo, those officials instantly become fugitives, and patriotic federal judges issues warrants for their arrest and deputizes 30 million people...those arrest will happen, the easy way or the hard way. That is the point of our 2nd Amendment. It may be a shame that occasional crazies hurt people but I am one of millions of armed citizens, Ill defend myself. There is no perfect world, either you have citizens who are the last firewall againat tyranny or you have suicidal murderers who use fire, or planes or cars to kill people but also a government with absolute power that can be infiltrated with nut jobs and citizens are helpless to do anything about it.
I personally think Andreas didn't even consider the other people on the plane, and here's why. I've suffered from depression in the past, and, at times I've wanted to kill myself. So trust me when I say, it's hard not to, and I was not a teenager when I dealt with it, not having any real problems. But back to my point, I don't think he even thought about the fact that 150 people would die with him, he probably just thought he had nothing left to live for, and killed himself, so I don't even think he should be considered a mass murderer, maybe a manslaughterer
KaPowSplat Althought a case could be made for manslaughter by suicide, the way he planned everything and how anything played out seem to imply mass murder for notorioty ("If you are a nobody in life, maybe in death people will start to notice you...")-He knew it would only be a matter of time before Lufthansa and Germanwings learned of his condition, ending his career. He could have killed himself in his home, and nobody else would been hurt. Yet he decided to fly the plane. -He took over the plane when his colleague went to the toilet, he locked the pilot out and kept ignoring him as he screamed at him and tried to break open the door with an ax. This would imply Andreas knew every well what he was doing, and was aware that he was about to kill 150 people. -One theory about Andreas (I don't know if it has been proven or it can be proven) is the suggestion that he might have put some laxative medication in the drink of the other pilot, so he would to go to the toilet during mid-flight, an essential part of the plan to crash the plane. Not every depressed person will simply commit suicide, some want to inform the world of what they have done to that person, namely by taking dozens of people with them in their fall...
First off I'm glad you got through your hard times. I also have suffered clinical depression and have unfortunately had a botched attempt at taking my life. I think there is a definite distinction here between an otherwise sane minded person being so depressed they want to die and a person who is clearly sociopathic becoming suicidal and not only not caring how many people go with them but wanting to take as many as possible.
+MaPowSplat, that's your opinion, I respect that....but in my opinion it doesn't hold water....first, his doctor wrote him a note saying he was "unfit" to work that day, he didn't just ignore it, as if he forgot, he took the time to tear it up and disregard! Second...he had planned this entire event, acting all normal with the other pilot for the first part of the flight, just waiting on the pilot to leave the cockpit, and the second he does leave...he gets up and locks the door, on the recordings you could hear he was still alive and listening to the pilot and other trying to get back in but he never said a word. So in my opinion, every soul on that plane was on his mind, and he figured if he couldn't live happy then neither should they, and that's murder, it's extremely sad but very true. Depression effects everyone different and there are different levels, I am in a deep depression myself, I'm not suicidal, but there have been times I wish I was dead. Suicide is against my beliefs and I know I could never do it, I just can't imagine how someone could think innocent people are responsible and deserve to die just because there life is in a rut? Again, this is only my opinion.
I wasn't really sure what to expect from this video. I don't want to see more gun restrictions, however, I didn't have a lot of knowledge about mental health screening and how that could help especially since most of the mass-murders seem kinda random. They want attention, they grab the first gun they see whether a shotgun, rifle, or pistol and start shooting with the shock value as they main goal. This gave me a lot more insight on how mental health can have more involvement than just putting tighter gun restrictions. Great video.
***** Charles Manson did. That's who he's referring to. It has nothing to do with Germany and everything to do with the Mansons and the murders they comitted out of a desire for racial purging and to ignite a race war.
I have depression and have suffered for a while and i got new meds since then i have grown violent and lost control and even drawn knives on my mother and father. I believe medication can change a person and make them do things they would never do because i have had this happen first hand.
+Ryu Lightorb It's messed up to get so angry and do such a thing. Maybe try not get angry at your parents but those that caused you to be who you are today which i am fucking disgusted by.... people... try cherish your family and your pets. Everyone else is scum and out for themselves
Yes! Thank you for bringing up this subject. It MUST be talked about. A lot of people like myself, have several severe mental illnesses. For instance, someone could have chronic complex PTSD, panic disorder, bipolar and agoraphobia. No studies have been done on the specific interactions between most, if not all, of the medicines needed for that persons drug cocktail. We dont know the long term side effects of this mutant drug. That scared the crap out of me.
I suffer from depression/anxiety and refuse to take any anti-depressants because of the side affects. I prefer to sit back smoke some medicinal cannabis and just chill. Doctors hand out anti depressants like candy, yet we don't know the long term side affects. If one doesn't work, you're put on another one instead and sometimes combinations. When you start combining a drug with many disturbing side affects with another one of it's kind, you may as well be playing russian roulette.
That's what I'm saying! The side effects lasted weeks even after I stopped taking the pills. I mean all it does is suppress parts of your brain while giving off tons more side effects. Not worth it.
GPS know when you shouldn't mix two medications together (for the most part). I take 60mg of prozac and have been taking prozac since I was 10 years old, and honestly, it probably saved my life. Sure there are different side effects according to the persons brain chemistry, and I'd much rather be tired then depressed, no doubt. I would go on prescribed weed if I could, but that's simply illegal here. You just have to go with the best option, despite the best option not being all that great.
Gene Blake Yeah I agree, they work for some, but if you have spend a long period of time finding the 'right' anti depressant for you, the odds are all of the other anti depressants have messed with your brain chemistry in some sort of way. Also, sometimes switching between medicines causes a combination of both if you take before the first is out of your system. Like cymbalta to effexor, that's a horrible switch that can lead to a coma or death. Just do your research if switching and you should be fine.. but I feel safer not taking them and having to take them for the rest, if not a good portion of my life.
aresdotexe Cooking Mama doesn't make me a chef, NBA 2K15 doesn't make me a pro basketball player, and Skate 3 doesn't make a pro skater, so why would GTA or Call of Duty make me a murderer?
aresdotexe ofcourse, not social stress, struggles with society or chemical alteration of the brain, wich all reoccur in murderers are the cause of this. nono, video games....
I'm no psychologist, but.. Andres killed people to make his name known. Wouldn't it be better never to use his name, and just give him a humiliating title, like... Shithead McPedo, to deny him his grab at infamy, and possibly discourage other idiots who might follow? Just never release his name to the public, and use the slander name even in all books and documentation, except for like, the initial police and court reports?
Not everyone with depression want to kill or even harm anyone. Most people with depression or even major depression live very peaceful lives. However, When provoked, anyone with courage will stand up for themselves especially against corrupt police and a corrupt justice system. A lot of people who are depressed use common law instead of guns or weapons. They are the ones the police are afraid of.
as a person who suffers from severe anxiety, depression, and a multitude of other personality and psychotic disorders, it was to see that you did your research. you didnt just straight up blame mental illness, labeling all schizophrenics or psycho/sociopaths and mass murderers and serial killers who cause harm and destruction wherever we go. in many of your video where you discuss mental health issues, you do it with respect for the person and those affected. thank you very much for taking your time to be well educated and supportive.
I'm an American and I believe that gun restrictions are not an inherently bad idea. However I fear crazy people so... Yeah. You could call the cops but you can only report it after it's happened. And sometimes seconds count. I feel with America's general culture of non stop warfare and glamour of making the news for shooting unarmed people is just going to get worse. Medical screenings are one thing but BETTER EDUCATION will stop more in the long run. You will have more reasoning and humbleness in citizens. Nuff said.
jgarfunkle Another thing that would help stop it would be to stop saying the criminals name multiple times, just refer to them as the 'perpetrator" and "the killer", focus on the victims, stop glamorizing what happened and using the tragedy for your own personal gain. [General you here]
jgarfunkle I agree with the better educational system (America's is an outdated one based off of a what was it Polish system? forgot) but I really don't think America's general culture is like that I mean war has been on the low for a while now if you compare it to a century or two ago really its because of democracy's rise but well lately wars have been a lot fewer and farther in between we seem to be living in the most peaceful period in the history of humans hell almost all of the territorial wars are completely gone and almost all of the wars right now are either civil wars or local conflicts no real wars between major nations.
Most times, when people on medication for anxiety/depression, it isn't really the medicine that causes them to have violent or suicidal thoughts. They already have them. The medication is to help motivate them, normally to get over the anxiety/depression, but if not in the correct dosage, it can motivate someone just enough for them to go through with something they were thinking. In the case of depression, it makes you not want to do anything, yet still want to die. As soon as you get motivation, yet still want to die, you'll actually have the 'energy' to go through with it.
Most of the time it is. There are cases where medication can cause mental side effects, but thats not at all common. Physical side effects, yes, but not mental
You are very good at making your case in arguments. It's also because it is human nature to be violent even if it is rare. I think mental health screenings are far more important.
Mental Health Screenings. Put the military budget into it. Develop a system of identifying people who can potentially become mass murderers/serial killers and keep them under watch for life.
America needs help with its funds. More is spent on public health yet we have some of the worst public health on the planet. Military spending should be cutback and optimized, followed by optimization of the rest of the budget. Surplus being put into education and mental healthcare.
SteelBadger13 Wow that's a COMPLETE breach of privacy besides, how would you classify who can POTENTIALLY be a serial killer or a murderer, I mean come on just because someone is sick or well i don't know, diagnosed as a psychopath or sociopath does not mean they will be a killer I mean think about how they would feel, its completely unconstitutional besides the amount of money it would take to keep watch on them at all times is crazy.
This really opened up my mind.. I have borderline personality, PTSD, bi polar, depression and ADHD, i am on several that i stopped not long after i started taking them due to worsening suicidal tendency and irritation, but i never took into consideration that this debate could be something that is effecting more and more people.
What we really need to do is stop making these guys famous. Think about it, before their acts, you never knew these people even existed. But now, you do know, because the media outlets keep shoving their names down your throat, and keep focusing on the perpetrator and not the victims.
+Alexander Thompson (Parabellum1994) I agree. The problem here is the media though. They make tons of money when these type of things happen. It’s an absolute field day for them. Remember when, after the San Bernardino shootings, all the media people were crowded into the couples’ apartment like it was some kind of circus sideshow? Yeah, they make too much money off this stuff. They actually have laws on reporting suicide to prevent “copycat” situations. They should do something similar with these shooters.
Jack Mills A gun is just 1 of many weapons people can use to accomplish their goals.. Its ONLY the Mental Health that needs improved. Get rid of guns, home made bombs would be used or knives, baseball bats, rocks... or the first weapon ever in history that everybody has... their barehands to punch, choke etc..
I feel like gun ownership should be limited to hunting rifles/shotguns and manual 9mm pistols. All automatic and semi-automatic weapons should be illegal for civilians to own. In addition, a background check before purchase should be mandatory, even at gun shows. The background check should cover both criminal activities and mental illness. These restrictions won't prevent all gun violence, but I feel like they would decrease shootings.
wolfiecommander 1) Limiting the ownership of firearms of Americans who legally own their firearms to just hunting rifles, shotguns, and 9mm handguns is absurd. Just because you pass a law that makes it so Americans ( who legally own their firearms ) can only own those guns criminals will still get them. They are already breaking laws so illegally obtaining a gun will be no different to them. You will be hurting everyone but criminals/potential criminals with such a thing. 2) Automatic weapons in the United States requires a machine gun license ( which in most states is near impossible to get ) and you typically go through a long process with the federal government. On top of that you have to register all of your firearms and pay annually to keep your ability to own such firearms. 3) Semi-Automatic sporting rifles should remain legal for civilians to own. The most common firearms in these mass-shootings is handguns and occasionally shotguns. There is literally no reason to try and make it illegal to own any semi-automatic sporting rifles. 4) When you say "Semi-Automatic weapons" you forget that there are Semi-Automatic shotguns and hunting rifles out there. While it is completely overkill in some states you can hunt with a Barrett M82 which is Semi-automatic rifle that shoots .50 BMG rounds. 5) Most states require a background check before you purchase a firearm and you do have to present a valid license ( FID, LTC B, or LTC A ). While some states do not require this process or some stores just ignore this process overall it is mandatory. Also if you are a convicted felon or anything that mandates your firearms license be taken away you will not be able to purchase any firearm whatsoever. 6) It's pretty much impossible to screen someone for mental illness when they are trying to purchase a gun. A person could show no signs of having a mental illness. 7) Those restrictions would not decrease shootings whatsoever. Those kinds of restrictions would make it easier for those shootings to occur. There are quite a few examples of civilians stopping shootings with their own firearms.
Many hunting rifles are semiautomatic. And there's next to know difference between semi auto hunting rifle and ar15 besides tac rails and pistol grips. Tac rails and pistol grips don't kill anyone. You could argue magazine size. But do u know how easy it is to get a large magazine? Making it illegal wouldn't stop anyone since the Internet exists.
Wait, I'm a loner consistently met with failure, and I can't seem to be in a healthy relationship, I like guns, and I look at anti government stuff... Shit..
Bahama Lynn Sawdin i am the same and i take anti anxiety pills. without them i wouldn't leave my house... in my opinion there is another mental illness that has yet to be discovered. not everyone is the same. i wouldn't kill anyone or myself just because my medication numbs me out. it takes a certain type of sicko to do those things so fret not my friend
OMG I'm gettin' SICK of people talking about "gun bans". NOBODY is advocating for outright gun bans except a small percentage of people. The MAJORITY of people only ask for sensible gun controls like mental health screenings and removing certain loopholes, an honest debate. People keep muddying the waters by talking about "we can't ban guns" and using that as the reason why we can't enforce basic, sensible gun control methods. Everybody keeps talking about how we need to focus on mental health, which is OBVIOUSLY true. However, if you think that mentally-handicapped people or terrorists should have easy access to guns (many mass shooters bought their guns legally themselves or had their guns purchased legally by others), you might just be mentally handicapped yourself.
"What do you think is more important: gun restriction, or mental health screenings?" Why not have both? Who says it has to be one or the other? And why make the discussion so divisive from the outset?
Among my many groups, past and present, of associates, we've always had a saying about weapons. "Don't be afraid of the gun, be afraid of who's pointing it at you." I mean, gun restrictions might have a small effect on the number of murders yearly, but that only stops the accidental deaths. And while it's true that serial killers and mass murderers are a *very* small percentage of the population, just one of them has the potential to kill hundreds. I mean after all, what is it they say? "A single man can change the world"? And most likely with guns acquired through illegal means, or that were *already in their possession beforehand.* People should stop worrying about gun restrictions so much and focus on the mental health of the people. Because it doesn't just take a gun to kill. It takes a mindset, too. If you have anything to add, or to say, feel free too. I'm curious as to what you guys have to say, as well.
Well said, my thoughts have been the same for a number of years. One thing to add, only law abiding citizens would turn in their guns. That means the majority is just more susceptible to crime. I have heard an interesting quote, something like “If only criminals keep their guns, I will become a criminal.”
Obviously, a person's predisposed neurological wiring plays a large part of in their participation in violent atrocities, but one environmental factor I never see discussed in depth is bullying. Many if not most of the mass killers were heavily and cruelly bullied when they were younger by either their parents or their classmates. They were humiliated and abused by almost everyone, and learned that they could never expect anything but abuse from their peers. This prevented many of them from ever forming bonds and thus integrating into society and probably instilled a great sense of general hatred for the people around them and society in general. It is very likely that being called mentally ill after being understandably depressed/angry at their abuse only further agitated them as it's denying their need for justice by placing the blame for their issues on "chemical imbalances" and "behavioral disorders". You cannot reasonably expect a person who has been bullied their entire life by a majority of their peers to turn around and value their own life, much less the lives of others. Hence the suicidal/homicidal desires are not opposed by respect or love for their fellow man. If you take a group of people and kick them and beat them, some will cower and submit and grow timid with depression and anxiety, but others will burn slow with hatred and strike out at a world they perceive as being completely hostile. And many innocent people are killed as a result. I am not trying to make excuses for the heinous behavior of these individuals, but am merely trying to give people some empathy into their motives, because if you do not know the proper cause of an illness you cannot find the cure. And I might draw some fire for saying this, but I kind of think these mass murderers are a force of twisted karma. How many of you watching this video can claim to have not picked on our stood by in apathy as someone else was heavily abused by their peers? In a sense we are creating mass murders, but I don't think it's for many of the reasons that are currently being listed.
We need more mental health screenings over banning guns and taking care of others. I'm diagnosed with anxiety and depression and before I went on medication for it I had the urge and thoughts of committing suicide bc I was so numb I ended up getting help and I'm a lot better today on medication. The government needs to reform mental health and really take a harder approach on it.
I completely understood what rob was saying about depression. I was diagnosed with clinical depression when I was around 13-14 (I'm almost 19 now) and I have been on anti anxiety/depressants since then. BUT rob was not defending this guy particularly, but he was saying that this man had more than clinical depression going on. Clinical depression is a mental illness, but one of the more easily treated ones. The whole point is that mental illness is very very complicated and complex.
I suffer from severe anxiety and severe depression, caused by society, people bullying me, telling me i am worthless.. so while i do get angry i prefer to retreat into myself.. and avoid all people because as i have said "I know the monster i could become". I am under therapy at the moment.. 90% of all my troubles are caused by people and events, and me believing them, 10% i would say is myself.. the less i am around people the better i feel.. anxiety and depression is very individual..
Having seen the "Mayday" episode about this crash, this episode of Seriously Strange is quite interesting. While Mayday focused a lot more on how he carried out the crash, with a little insight into why, this focuses on the potential why's a lot more in depth. Putting the two together, it makes for an interesting case to study.
That video kind of scared me. I am suffering from depressions, taking anti-anxiety medicine, and have a track record of failed relationships (last one cheated on me). I never had any intention of killing anyone other than myself, but these facts sort of worry me...
As a person who suffers from bipolar disorder, I do take medications. One thing I noticed though about psychiatrists is they don't evaluate the patient enough before prescribing medications. I suggest to anyone to see a psychologist first, and have them evaluate whether medication is needed. Also if you suffer from depression, and blame others for your issues, this is a sure sign that medication will probably make your situation worse. Self acceptance is the first thing to recovery.
You can hear the Captain trying to batter down the cockpit door with the fire axe on the black box. But of course cockpit doors are nowadays impregnable. Yet Andreas just sits silently, his breathing becoming more heavy closer to impact. Utterly horrendous.
As a psych major, I've been exposed to stories and statistics of abnormalities in human behavior resulting in both positive and negative outcomes of the individuals suffering. In addition I have been exposed to people hurting others who suffer from a mental illness. Those cases that resulted in death or serious injury are rare and I would like to encourage people to look into the warning signs of depression (since it is the most common mental illness) and other mental illnesses. If the entire world had information on mental illnesses, then we might have a chance in stoping the stigma that comes along with it. If we stop the stigma and approach it with understanding I believe we are half way with a cure.
Medication alone is just not enough for some types of mental illnesses. Therapy and constant monitoring is needed too in a lot of cases. Besides which, everyone is an individual case and should be treated as such. There is no one answer. Health authorities are overwhelmed so become a bit lax in their treatments. People go unmedicated, or given the wrong meds, or inappropriate therapies..etc. It's a combination that sometimes results in stories talked about in this video. But as you said, these cases are very rare. Most people on meds for depression/ anxiety etc do not have such reactions.
I have suffered from depression for most of my life and as a result I have been on and off different antidepressants, at the moment Im off. My last depressive episode was fairly severe and I was put on a pretty heavy duty antidepressant, one of the side effects was suicidal thoughts, which worried me because I have been suicidal in the past, after a period of time I was taken off my meds because I was at a place in my life where I was able to cope on my own. Mental health is a complicated issue and there is not a single answer, but everyone needs to be involved and informed in order to help those that need it.
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*Keep in mind that most people on anti-anxiety medication don't have sudden suicidal or homicidal urges. Mass murderers are an incredibly small percentage of people. I mean INCREDIBLY small. There have to be a lot more things in place to lead a person to do something like that. If you're on anti-anxiety medication, take your proper dosage. And if you experience strange thoughts like wanting to self-harm, tell your doctor IMMEDIATELY! It could be the medication, and a dosage change or a switch over to another medication could fix that problem! Be smart!*
Rob DykeIn my honest opinion is that it not only by medication but also the fact on genes and personal tolerance level. Even the way they think is important cause it tells a lot on person's character. Also society influence and the environment plays an vital role in this progression towards mass homicides. We have to be extremely cautious around if any guy shows these any traits of such potential catastrophe
Seriously an important note,thanks Rob
important item to note that the crash site of 911 does not in any way look like the germanwngs crash site with all the debris.
It's not always the medicine in my opinion, dealing with kids it's the children at the schools bullying the children everyday that starts the depression then at one point they just snap, implosive people are more serious than explosive people, implosive just holds there anger in over a period of time until it explodes. Explosive yells and such so watch out for those "shy" people they have feelings to.
roslan bayu What do you mean? Of course it doesn’t look the same. In one case a plane crashed
into an urban environment and in the other it was just mountain side. Most of
the 911 wreckage was buried under debris from the buildings.
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Your voice is perfection 👌
Rob Dyke Yes Bianca, his voice is like an anti-depressant. :-)
You and Matthew Santoro are my favorite youtubers! I share a lot of your videos on Facebook! You guys are so awesome!! :D
Rob Dyke
I take Lorazepam by the way.
Watch out.
PS Yes, you are an incredible narrator. You need to have a TV show or something.
Rob Dyke Hey, how about “Power Killers” (my own made up name), like Police who murder and Governments who send troops to unjust wars?
It's sad that that many people had to die for us to realize that depression is a serious mental illness. I've lived with it all my life and everytime I would tell someone about it they would tell me to stop feeling sorry for myself. Only just recently have people started to actually realize just how bad my depression is...a
Zoe Marie Horton Those idiots who tell you to stop feeling sorry for yourself are the worst.
Zoe Marie Horton people still don't realize how important mental illness is
Those people are var
gardbage .. wish you the best thought 《3
@The God Emperor Himself you're a dick.
depression isnt an illness, its a state of mind and a symptom of a psykological illness like bipolar disorder, anxiety, autism, or a reaction to a horrible situation.
I've lost 10 years of my life to crippling depression and never once thought of hurting people.
Iain Clark 10 years? Damn. Good job, seriously. That's extremely amazing. Keep going, you're doing great. c:
thunderclanliveson1 Would you not want to ... not cheer him?... I mean, sure that sounds mean... but it's like a nurse telling you (after helping you heal through a deadly accident (Car crash or something similar)) "We hope to see you again".
No... Don't hope to see them again please ;3; ...
Iain Clark good for....other people
InfamousCrimes Because!
kad yz Oh calm down, it's an expression.
You could have easily gone into law enforcement & criminology, but you chose to follow your entertainer side of you. I just love the fact that you didn't leave your fascination with crime & killers behind. I like how to use your channel to combine them together.
I think mental health screenings need to be more of a priority. Many people with mental illness won't seek help before something potential fatal may happen, i think if we reach out more instead of pretending it doesn't exist, it would make it at least a bit better. Will there always be evil people, is my question...
Emily Kamikaze Sadly yes there will always be people who sense of right and wrong or presumption is messed up but remember their is nothing that is truly evil or good only different views.
People love to say that mental health screenings are the answer to so many problems... serial killers, depressed pilots etc... while im not against screening, let me play devils advocate.
Say we make a mental health screening part of a yearly physical. Who gets to dictate what and what isnt mentally healthy? Besides the obvious of couse. But then again the obviously mentally ill arent really the issue. How would a wide scale screening catch a serial killer for example, who are fantastic at hiding symptoms. Give an empathy test? But then what about those who are naturally less empathetic but arent killers. Medicate them? Not to mention the massive spike in people being dosed with psychotropic drugs akin to the mass prescription of anti depressants and adhd medicine.
sonamyfan666 Ahhh, true.
b33lze6u6 There is not good answer we just have to bumble are way forward. As to the serial killer they don't tend use guns as his videos have proven the killers that mostly use are talked about here serial killers take delight and joy in their killings they savor the pain of their victims.
Parker Family You sir are a bigot and one of the major problems with the world I respect your opinions and your right to have them but right now you are attacking a person based of their believes and not their current actions.
I am a man who has suffered from depression and anxiety all my life, I am also a Law Enforcement Officer working in the Department of Corrections and Owen firearms here in the U.S.A. the difference from me and these psychopaths is I never in my mind would consider harming another human being. I sought help when I felt I needed it and at low points in my life if I or my family and/or friends thought my firearms may come to the jeopardy of my own physical well being, I willingly relinquished then till everyone, including myself knew I was in stable sound peace of mind. I have also spoken with doctors and asked them their professional opinions of they would think a man in my situation should own, posses or operate firearms and none felt that I would or will ever become a safety hazard to myself or anyone else with the precautions we have set in place for the times I feel less than happy. I do believe as I deal with criminals on a daily basis know evil is out there, but also know there are ways to prevent these tragities we now hear about on almost a daily. If you know a family, friend or co-worker that seems to be on the brink of something like in the stories Rob has spoken about in this video, then speak up and reach out. Or if you think you may one day get to that point, know it's not needed, help is out there. I've personally felt helpless, hopeless and lost. But having the right structure and support changed all of that. Don't give up on yourself and feel that taking it out on the world is the answer.
It's an interesting topic to consider. Medications are good for the mentally ill (like myself) but they do carry some horrible side effects. Anything that works to change your overall brain chemistry is going to have some unwarranted responses. Depending on the person and what they are being treated for. I am really glad you brought this video up, Rob. As it's an issue that doesn't always get thought about too much.
Oh and you get bonus points for that Hannibal picture ;)
Nate i wish it was easier to find good psychiatrists. i've had so many that gave me the wrong kind of meds without even reading the correct chart. no lies. i was incorrectly diagnosed with schizophrenia at age 13 and loaded up with heavy medication that made me so delusional that at one point i started thinking it was fake and overdosed so badly that i technically died and was in a coma for 3 days. thankfully i have been re-diagnosed properly now and surprise to no one that idiot had no idea what was going on before. i do rely on several medications to treat my psychosis and personality/anxiety disorders and depression but now i have a wonderful doctor who collaborates her efforts with my therapist for the most successful treatment i could have imagined. i don't know if you live in the US, but i have medicaid and as much as it is necessary, the majority of the care you can receive is of poor quality and you are treated like scum sadly. i am one of the lucky ones who have enough knowledge and experience with the system and my own mental functions that i can now mostly avoid the shittier situations, but that isn't the case for most. there should be a way for us to be heard and taken seriously instead of being written off as "crazy" or stupid for having a mental illness. however i am glad that i've never been allowed a gun, because there are times when i will admit that i could be so unaware during an episode that i am afraid of what would happen. so, i think both are very important, though the mental health screenings should be a priority if you ask me.
I agree, sometimes finding a good doctor can be hard. They were a bit TOO medication happy when I was in inpatient. They asked me if I wanted an Ambien ontop of my other TWO sedatives and I declined, saying I would be comatose enough as it was. When ti comes to mental health we are still trying to fill in the blanks and patch up the cracks.
yeah my old psychiatrist (rafael tatay by the way, avoid him at all costs if you want to keep your brain intact lol) had me on 800mg of seroquel per day which is the max legal dosage and he said he wanted to bump it up to 1,200mg, so i said fuck him and saw someone else. my new doctor was absolutely horrified when i told her what he would prescribe me. he should lose his fucking license.
I heard that seroquel can now be legally taken at 1200mg. But jesus that's fucking insane bro.
Why Rob isn't a detective is beyond me.
Ysmanol Batista How do you know that anything he's said is true? Even then, if his sources are correct. They aren't his.
From what I heard, he's just recapping.
Kotta Maa Detectives use information to get to conclusions. Why does it matter at all if the "sources aren't his"?
Im pretty sure rob was somewhere in the federal agentinces.
Ysmanol Batista I think he used to be a private investigator :)
Ysmanol Batista Before TH-cam, Rob worked as a counselor for sexual offenders, private investigator, and executive protection specialist. But he chose and pursued his passion of comedy (WWYPTOTI), and film. Which I'm really grateful, because I love the contents in his videos.
Your character for your "darkside" videos is great. You put off this "I've seen, learned and know too much worldy vibe". It's like your telling us things to try to give us understanding and knowledge... but there is a sarcastic dry almost corny "I'm telling you but you probably wont remember this to save your own life" flavor to it that just makes it wonderfully entertaining.
This character would make a great "horror host". Come to think of it.... you are!
the government needs to stop denying treatment for mentally disturbed people and get them more help and to find ant-depressant that won't have that side effects. .
Yes!
indeed
they can find it i didn't say it would be easy but if they work on it they will find it. i know easier then done
i was a side affects like thoughts of suicide or thoughts of hurting other people
Shar Shastri exactly!
We need to address and erase the stigma of mental illness. The stress of hiding a mental disorder can make the disorder thrive.
Angelique Flippen Blackmon ^^^^^^
This is one of my favourite videos of yours so far; I could watch a documentary length version! The way you listed the categories of mass murders/serial killers with examples, and especially parallels, I found really interesting
One of the best episodes you've done yet Rob, very interesting.
Mental health is such a personal and complicated issue that I think must be tackled case by case.
You look like that gut from hotline Miami
This is an episode that hits close to home. With my mental illnesses, I've been prescribed many different medications, and a few caused sudden suicidal urges. It's pretty scary...
Rob thanks for this video -- you are the first person (that I am aware of) that has taken the time to explain the differences in a video - you made this very easy to understand the differences between each type.
#murderers #murder #questions #killers #crime
Hey Rob. Keep doing what you do! I'm lovin' it!!
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No pls.
I think what scares me the most about this is that, really, they're not so very different from regular people.
+SonofSethoitae Idk about that. In many of the cases I've seen, the perpetrators have some SERIOUS issues. People like Seung Hui Cho, Jared Loughner, James Holmes, John Russell Houser, Dylan Klebold/Eric Harris, for instance, all had some SERIOUS issues, and there were PLENTY of signs prior to their kililng sprees which hinted toward their derangement and potential to do what they did. They didn't just flip out one day out of nowhere. They planned their attacks, and in many cases, they wrote manifestos or recorded video speaking their RIDICULOUSLY INSANE nonsense explaining their motivations.
They ARE regular people, just suffered through more abuse. Why don't we start acknowledging the abuse by people that drove them that far? Those people get away clean. Yeah the person was in emotional and neurological distress. From whom?
bastiaan0741 thank yu!
Anyone is capable of horrific acts. Everyone starts as a relatively innocent child. Your growing up years do have a great impact on who you become, but I know personally 13 out of 15 kids who came from a horrific background who are now doing excellently. The one really went off the deep end, and the other had a bad number of years but is doing very well. How bad things are handled also have a major part to play. Take Hitler for example. He blamed all his failures on the Jews and became who he was
Thank you for talking about this in depth. Most of the time the media just portrays people with mental illnesses as crazy and dangerous and as someone who has been suffering from depression for 7 years this just makes me incredibly sad. I would never willingly hurt anyone and I don't condone any kind of violence. I'm grateful for the insight you gave us by mentioning all the other factors that lead to people commiting such horrendous crimes and not just blaming it on mental illnesses.
I think both are important. But with mental health screenings there needs to be the support for people with mental illnesses. Otherwise it's just making a bad situation worse. And unfortunately we do live in a world where governments loves to cut corners and save nickels and dimes by cancelling programs which can help people get their lives back on track.
People refuse to give support to those with mental health issues because they fear what they don't understand. That's why they cut funding. That's also another reason why a lot of times people with BPD can't get to the therapy designed to help them learn to cope with their disorder. Their insurance won't pay for it. It's a hard road for those with mental illness and until someone takes a stand, no one will get the help they deserve
Brii Hammer True and if you are low income enough to qualify that would mean you'd barely be getting by with expenses. But also I've noticed that if you're not the right kind of "screwed up" so to speak, you don't qualify either, personal experience. This could be different elsewhere, and I hope it is.
Brii Hammer The GOP love to fear a lot of things. I think the fear is "caring about people and not profiting from them in some way"
Exactly to the both of you.
WhenTheSkyTurnsDark I'll be honest, I never thought much about this.But coming from my own perspective, I've had a traumatic brain injury that nearly costed my life.
To say that gun restriction is needed is absurd to me. I think mental health screening is much more needed. Just because there are a few bad eggs in the basket doesn't mean you throw them all out.
It sounds absurd, but there's been many occasions that law-abiding citizens do stop killings and thieves.
I'm not saying everybody should be armed- but majority of these mass murders are in areas that are typically "safe" for the mass murderer to get away with it until the police arrive (which is typically 30 minutes.) The mass killers know the perfect locations to make their violent acts in- "gun-free" zones. They know that they are going to commit a terrible act and want it to go on without a hitch. So they choose for the easiest targets and best place to commit their crimes.
Have you ever seen a gun pick itself up, load itself and move around to shoot people? Me neither.
Cor Atro i was against guns but i am slowly being turned to the side of allowing guns cause the people who wanna kill will obtain the gun no matter what illegally but if the right person has a gun they can potentially save so many lives
Well yeah...
In a boardwalk haunted house once.
I mean unless John Cena was the shooter
This episode is a slightly different format than previous episodes. However, it's engaging and thought provoking. Once again, you prove you can tweak the episodes to keep each one interesting without losing the original intent of the series. Good job, Rob!
I suffer from anxiety. And I quit medication. It turned me into a zomby
@msjoppie5414.
Tell your doctor your symptoms and how you are feeling and let him or her change the medication. There is no need to feel like a zombie today with so many drugs out there. Tell your doctor to change the medicine because it is not good for you. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE who knows your body 100%.
And if this doctor doesn’t change your medicine, then CHANGE DOCTORS until you find one that listen to you.
I hope this helps. Good luck to you.
Any remember Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction? Jonathan Franks and James Brolin both hosted the shows back like 15 years ago. Anyway, I think they should remake that show and you should totally host it Rob :D You would be perfect!
MissAllanPoe1989 AHHH! I love that show, I still watch the reruns on chiller. Anyways, I think that rob would be a perfect host :)
That show was awesome but its impossible to find it except late night Halloween reruns. I have one episode on tape that I haven't seen in forever
Yes!!!
Agreed👍👍👍👍👍👍
Totally agree! That was a good show!
you did this video really well Rob. You explained why mental health medication helps but also explained that it can alter mindsets of certain people since it is so touchy. Yet you managed to explain that while yes in the grand scheme of tjings it prevents depression it can also cause something to snap if not properly monitered.
Lorazepam made me hear voices when I took 1 but the bottle said take 3 times a day. No thanks. 😒🤦🏽♀️
Prozac made me extremely suicidal. I only took it for a few months and it made me anxiety better but my depression was so bad I’d cry and self harm at night like 5 times a week whereas before meds ur was probably 1-3 times every 2 weeks
Hey, so I have a few things to add to the discussion;
Firstly, in an American context, there's a never-ending debate over whether they should ban guns (it's not going to make the situation any better, if someone has decided they're going to murder other people they'll find a gun/weapon somewhere). I can not help but notice how frightening the American media is. I'm Irish and our national broadcaster is pretty banal, however American TV is scary. Take for example a news channel informing everyone that there is a flu outbreak. Now, if that were broadcasted in Ireland we'd be shown clips of a few people in bed with a few cringy transitions and slides of random information. But in America, whoah, it would be like watching some kind of sci-fi horror flick (I'm not hypothesizing here, I've seen this kind of stuff).
What I'm trying to say is that from an outsiders perspective, the American media is very, very good at creating hysteria even in the smallest proportions. A great example is Bush's 'war on terrorism' when quite frankly, it is he who is the war criminal (I'm not in any way saying that what happened in New York on 9/11 wasn't awful, but seriously, look into it and see what America was up to in the middle east).
Basically what I'm saying it is seems to me that the media has everyone on edge and scared shitless. Combine this with a lack of mental health care and you have a recipe for disaster. Of course there's other factors too however I don't think the debate should revolve around guns. Debate should revolve around mental health, education around mental health and media sensationalism taken too far.
That's my two cents. Feel free to debate.
You pretty much nailed it. That's exactly the reason why I don't watch the news (and many other reasons). When Ebola hit the scene, I was waiting for it to blow over. The first news thing I saw on it when browsing through channels was a chart showing how many people it would spread to in a span of 2 months and how many would die. I admit it scared me a little. I forgot about it after a few months after endless coverage of it and remembered it a few weeks ago on a video discussing 2014. There has been no coverage of Ebola since that scare. It just went away.
I'm not really sure how I feel about American news. On one hand, things like Ebola, shootings, bombings, etc should be covered. I'm sure if they didn't make it sound like a big deal then people would freak out for not covering such atrocities, but can they cover the story without the full intent of scaring the shit out of the public? When the Virginia Tech shooter couldn't be found, my schools shut EVERYTHING down. I live in South Dakota and the media said he could literally be anywhere. We heard that my little brother's school was evacuated because they heard a gunshot. Our news station was suddenly covering the story of the VT shooter possibly being in one of our Elemenary Schools. They also covered a kid who went missing and said he was either dead or a hostage. The next day, we learned that the gunshot heard was a table collapsing over and the kid was hiding in a bush for hours because he thought he was in trouble. It was all my school could talk about for 3 days.
Lainehh This is America we're talking about...
Doomslayingrocker It's pretty crazy. Everything from Kim Kardashian's left knee to tragedies such as the Boston bombing are sensationalised in the American media.
Tony Tony Chopper If you're confused as to why I said 'in an American context' it's because I'm from Ireland and we're talking about America, so I just wanted to clarify that as I'm not actually directly affected by the media I was critiquing.
Lainehh Honestly I totally feel the same. I live in Germany and in comparison to what they show on american media its nothing here. The media does exaggerate often though. But it's hard to know when.
My daughter showed me your videos and now I am hooked. I have always been a little obsessed with serial killer's and u got some videos on here I am fixing to watch.You are awesome thanks for sharing these.Rock on .
This is very common actually, a lot of antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds have what is called a "black box warning". In other words, antidepressants meant to get rid of suicidal thoughts can cause you to become suicidal...
+The Phantom Safety Pin You can get so depressed that you're not motivated to commit suicide even if you have the thoughts. The meds give you back motivation which may drive you to suicide but after a while the thoughts may recede.
+KoshVader The fortunate thing is that most people with clinical depression will, eventually, find a medicine that works or will seek another option. Depression is a difficult and tricky thing to deal with, as is any mental illness. For some (like me) becoming suicidal can be a wake-up call. For others, that feeling never goes away even with medicine.
I will post this here for anyone who is dealing with suicidal thoughts, or perhaps having trouble with depression or anxiety. If you're suffering with these thoughts, please remember you are NOT alone. It might not feel like it now, but the agony you're feeling won't be forever. Please, reach out to someone and get help. Here is a suicide prevention hotline (not sure of the number in other countries, but here it is for the US): www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org
When a mass murder or suicide or anything like this happens, people want to be able to blame one thing. They want to be able to say 'the medication made her do this, let's not use this medication' or 'Violet video games made him do this, let's ban/restrict violent video games.' It's just not as simple as this. While better regulations or banning some of the factors that lead to the crime may help, there will still be people who commit these crimes.
Human behaviour is one of the hardest things to predict, yet we rely on doctors and psychs and teachers to predict it and get angry when they miss something or there wasn't anything there to begin with. Honestly, more accessible and cheaper mental health services are a good place to start. What about the people who are good at pretending and lying to psychs though? And what about the people who do these things without ever showing signs of mental illness?
While I know that America isn't the only country with this kind of crime, it's definitely the place where it seems to happen the most. Easy access to guns is definitely a factor, and there's no denying that Australia's gun crime numbers have massively decreased since stricter gun laws were brought in after the Port Arthur Massacre. I feel like the culture around men and guns and violence needs to be looked at, as well as mental illness/genetics. I can't recall/find who said this, but I think it's fitting in a lot of these cases, "His genetics load the gun, his psychology aims it, and the environment pulls the trigger."
Mikayla Mackenzie Hey! Purple video games have done nothing wrong. Why do people always have to blame the color purple for everything?
+Faegir Volva , I dunno man. People always be hating on the color purple.
Mikayla Mackenzie Australias gun violence didnt go down BECAUSE of the ban after Port Arthur...... i hate that people dont look closer at the issues. It was going down already BEFORE Port Arthur....... SAME as the United States. Which has gone down consistently since 1991 WITHOUT a gun ban........gun control is not proven to correlate to crime control. It went down in America and Australia. Starting at around 90, 91. One had a gun ban and one didnt.
Also look at Mexico and Brazil..... very restrictive gun control..... blew their crime numbers way up. To the point Brazil is considering repealing all gun control and adding a 2nd amendment right type amendment.
And look at the UK who love to talk about US and guns, missing the irony of that. Their overall violent crimes and homicides went UP after gun ban. It spiked and eventually started coming down, but is still couple percentage points above where it was when ban was enacted. In other words no years have had lower homicide rates than the year Ban was enacted.
Yet US has halved their Homicide Rate since 1991. ........ but please tell us more how a country with half the worlds guns.......... is ironically the one that has halved its homicide rate without any ban.....is the crazy country
Therapists ironically play a role in creating these killers and suicides.
Something people seem to think silly, but choose to ignore is that Australia is an island. A very very big island. However, it’s separated from places that would bring weapons illegally into the country. The largest sources of illegal drugs and weapons in this country come from Mexico. If guns were completed banned in the United States, it wouldn’t stop the violence
This is one of the reasons I refuse to take meds for my depression/anxiety. Its kinda screwed up that it alters people differently so you never know how it might affect you. Thanks for the videos there amazing. Ive been watching you since before the seriously strange series and I absolutely love it. Keep up the good work on your videos rob you're amazing!!!(:
Mental health screenings are more important in my opinion, The tighter the gun restrictions, the better the black market for them becomes.
At least this way we will have a better idea who is susceptible to the allure of such acts as the ones spoken of in this video
Cody Lampley Agreed
Cody Lampley that is exactly what I said
+Parker Family
Did you not read what he said? He said that restricting them would just create more criminals, as the black market for them would grow. He's defending current gun laws.
Cody Lampley bullshit. in europe due to gun restrictions, the culture of using guns to protect/attack just completely evaporated. nobody would think of using a gun to commit crime here, and if they do it's *almost always* a gas pistol or a bb gun.mental health screenings and gun restriction are equally important.
Honest question, why aren't mass murders just called terrorists. By definition aren't they the same thing?
mikeyroxxit93 The difference is motive. A terrorist kills for political/religious reasons. A mass murderer might kill because his employer fired him. Big difference.
mikeyroxxit93 Yeah, the point with a terrorist is to instill fear with political/religious motivations, mass murderers aren't necessarily trying to instill fear to inact change. They just want to kill.
mikeyroxxit93 yeah a lot of terrorists are mass murderers but most mass murderers, in the western world at least, aren't terrorists
Oh OK thanks. I was writing a script about this and couldn't find a way to describe the differences. Great help!
I'm not even sure the term murderer applies. Maybe manslaughter? He commited "Mass Manslaughter."
Thank you for bringing light to this topic. More people need to become aware of this.
Having depression and anxiety myself, I still think mental health screenings would be more beneficial than gun control. As is commonly said, it's not the gun doing the killing, it's the person holding it. Considering I've experienced the extremities of both depression and anxiety as well as minor bouts of mania, I think I can say how debilitating it really can be. And how much it can alter the mind to think or do things it normally wouldn't.
I believe there are genuinely bad people out there, but I'm not sure all killers = bad dudes. Keep in mind, though, that I'm not saying killing people is an acceptable action and can be forgiven.
do cross your eyes intentionally durring the intro?
For fucks sake I notice this every time thanks to you. Quite funny though
Same, saw the comment as he did it, can't pay for that kind of comedy timing
Yeah, I often saw it happen in the wwyptoti videos and I thought it was for dramatizing the scenario but I noticed it a few times I'm this one and now I'm not sure
Rob Dyke I watched all your videos with my brother and i never really understood the why in making all of these disturbing videos, but now i realized that you are strong and try to stand up for the blind and the realizing people that this world needs a change of heart but we know no one will awaken from septembers slumber. for those 150 people that left on the 24/03/2015 to give a sign,the wolrd deserves a moment of peace for them.
The amount of people with horrible misinformation about mental illness in this comment thread are worrisome. :\
Wym
@@alphabetsoup6837 There's a lot of fundamental attribution errors. Like when we see somebody else doing a bad thing, we assume they're inherently bad. Yet we look at ourselves in such situations and we don't attribute our personality to wrong actions we commit.
I feel like mental health screening is more important, mental health care in america is really lacking, especially with all the new pressure kids get now a days in school.
This was a great video, it was well thought out and researched. It also presents the information and does not come to a definitive conclusion or stance. Thanks Rob, those types of videos really fascinate me.
I think we need to focus on the fact that most deviant behaviours start because the person endured horrible childhood. If we made sure no child is neglected, abused, bullied or hurt in similar ways, we would live in a much better world.
Nonsense.
Violka1987 Dennis Rader lived a normal childhood and still became btk. Some people are just evil.
Exactly
A lot of people have gone through hell in their lives and do NOT kill, maim, or attack other living things. People need to stop using what might be a REASON as an EXCUSE for their behaviours.
Violka1987 I agree..... it always made me so sad when i saw Ted Bundys horrible childhood of....... uh.... snow skiing and delivering papers.......
6:40 am and no sleep this is perfect👌 x
Ellisha McKenna its 1:40 am here but i do agree with you
Where do you live? It's barely turning 1am here in Texas, usa
Hay look a British person
gokugohan9000 England aha :)
Love it!
Rob, I'm glad that you decided to do this video, not enough people talk about mental illness and want to act like it doesn't exist even when they have relatives that suffer from it. Only when something tragic happens to them that they want to start to talk about it and try to change the system. I'm not talking about everyone, just those select people that choose to turn a blind eye, depression is a real disease I have know that since I was a child. At one point in time I suffered from it and was able to get past it, but each individual is different, I hope that as a society we will start to talk openly about it more. And something can be done to help people get the proper care they need, and one more thing, people need to stop. Making people feel ashamed of suffering from depression and other mental illnesses that is one way to get started with helping people.
I'm prescribed lorazepam and it makes sense. If I were to change the dose in amount or frequency , I would become intensely irrational, be incredibly angry and panic.
Hey Lorazepam brother, I take it to stick me in a calmed state when I have incredibly painful Humira Shots in my leg. Amitriptyline is used from 10 - 25 mg to treat Irritable Bowel Syndrome, but in higher doses, 25 - 50 mg it can be used as a mild antidepressant and psychotic.
Finally a relevant comment that furthers the conversation you are one of the few
Mhm, yes, some people really do need these medications to try and lead a better life. It's tough. Mental health screening is so important but it can be treated as taboo at times.
Keesha McNeill I have never heard of a benzo making people angry. I have had too much of klonopin (another -pam, and I had forgotten I had taken a dose already - it was a bad anxiety day) and it only made me incredibly tired and dizzy. You might want to talk to your doctor about changing your med to something different if you are finding it is giving you episodes of anger if you accidentally take too much.
Keesha McNeill I know the feel. I was told to take a much to high dosis of sertralin, and it resulted in me becoming almost zombie like, unable to feel emotion, until it would all build up and I would explode in violent fits of anger. It was the scariest experience of my life. I felt like a different person.
mental health screen! Firearms are just a tool! the mind is what pushes the action!!!
You're absolutely right. If I deeply wanted to kill someone with a spoon, I bet I could get the job done. So now I need a gun to protect me from rouge spoons.
Thanks Rob for this episode! I'm currently taking a Criminology class and these articles and topics, including your entire serial killer series, is helping me breeze through this class!
Plus they are just so fascinating!
I think we should definitely focus more on Mental Health than outlawing guns and other weapons.
Anyone can take up a weapon, but only a mentally unbalanced person (or someone with a psychological disorder) would take up that weapon and use it to injure or kill another human being. Especially another human being that they have no connection with or someone they have a deeper connection with, such as a spouse or parent.
+124Nightwing What if there are no guns to shoot with in the first place?
wildnorthsea Our guns are for punishing & arresting politicians who transgress the Constitution and abuse their temporary powers, for instance, a president refuses to leave office after 8 years and makes a deal with military leaders to protect them from the public and protect their treason...well, we have 400 million guns and a few billion rounds of ammo, those officials instantly become fugitives, and patriotic federal judges issues warrants for their arrest and deputizes 30 million people...those arrest will happen, the easy way or the hard way. That is the point of our 2nd Amendment. It may be a shame that occasional crazies hurt people but I am one of millions of armed citizens, Ill defend myself. There is no perfect world, either you have citizens who are the last firewall againat tyranny or you have suicidal murderers who use fire, or planes or cars to kill people but also a government with absolute power that can be infiltrated with nut jobs and citizens are helpless to do anything about it.
I personally think Andreas didn't even consider the other people on the plane, and here's why. I've suffered from depression in the past, and, at times I've wanted to kill myself. So trust me when I say, it's hard not to, and I was not a teenager when I dealt with it, not having any real problems. But back to my point, I don't think he even thought about the fact that 150 people would die with him, he probably just thought he had nothing left to live for, and killed himself, so I don't even think he should be considered a mass murderer, maybe a manslaughterer
KaPowSplat Althought a case could be made for manslaughter by suicide, the way he planned everything and how anything played out seem to imply mass murder for notorioty ("If you are a nobody in life, maybe in death people will start to notice you...")-He knew it would only be a matter of time before Lufthansa and Germanwings learned of his condition, ending his career. He could have killed himself in his home, and nobody else would been hurt. Yet he decided to fly the plane.
-He took over the plane when his colleague went to the toilet, he locked the pilot out and kept ignoring him as he screamed at him and tried to break open the door with an ax. This would imply Andreas knew every well what he was doing, and was aware that he was about to kill 150 people.
-One theory about Andreas (I don't know if it has been proven or it can be proven) is the suggestion that he might have put some laxative medication in the drink of the other pilot, so he would to go to the toilet during mid-flight, an essential part of the plan to crash the plane.
Not every depressed person will simply commit suicide, some want to inform the world of what they have done to that person, namely by taking dozens of people with them in their fall...
First off I'm glad you got through your hard times. I also have suffered clinical depression and have unfortunately had a botched attempt at taking my life. I think there is a definite distinction here between an otherwise sane minded person being so depressed they want to die and a person who is clearly sociopathic becoming suicidal and not only not caring how many people go with them but wanting to take as many as possible.
+MaPowSplat, that's your opinion, I respect that....but in my opinion it doesn't hold water....first, his doctor wrote him a note saying he was "unfit" to work that day, he didn't just ignore it, as if he forgot, he took the time to tear it up and disregard! Second...he had planned this entire event, acting all normal with the other pilot for the first part of the flight, just waiting on the pilot to leave the cockpit, and the second he does leave...he gets up and locks the door, on the recordings you could hear he was still alive and listening to the pilot and other trying to get back in but he never said a word.
So in my opinion, every soul on that plane was on his mind, and he figured if he couldn't live happy then neither should they, and that's murder, it's extremely sad but very true. Depression effects everyone different and there are different levels, I am in a deep depression myself, I'm not suicidal, but there have been times I wish I was dead. Suicide is against my beliefs and I know I could never do it, I just can't imagine how someone could think innocent people are responsible and deserve to die just because there life is in a rut?
Again, this is only my opinion.
+KaPowSplat *
ReppeNThA707 If he was suffering with a debilitating mental illness all thoughts aside that is a pretty deep assumption to make.
Love the X-Files esque intro music. Makes me nostalgic for Fridays in the mid 90's when X Files came on. Your channel is great!
Damn I taped the notification as it came up and still not first
Same sadly ;-;
same fucking here
Same haha.
I know I did the same
Same (╯︵╰,)
A huge fucking spider just crawled right by my face and I can't find it. Should I burn down my whole apartment or just incinerate the room?
Joshua Hollis uh...nuke the planet?
Joshua Hollis burn down the city just to be safe
***** Big whoop, I woke up with a spider in my mouth once. Yes I cried.
Andrew Arnold I woke up with dog shit all over my face.....keep crying
Apartment. Let's play safe
I wasn't really sure what to expect from this video. I don't want to see more gun restrictions, however, I didn't have a lot of knowledge about mental health screening and how that could help especially since most of the mass-murders seem kinda random. They want attention, they grab the first gun they see whether a shotgun, rifle, or pistol and start shooting with the shock value as they main goal. This gave me a lot more insight on how mental health can have more involvement than just putting tighter gun restrictions. Great video.
You can't trust a guy who has a swastika on his forehead
Damn it man, you crossed the line!
but it start out as a big X, he just added the other four lines later.
was I the only one who thought that this person's name was Christian Grey?
***** Charles Manson did. That's who he's referring to. It has nothing to do with Germany and everything to do with the Mansons and the murders they comitted out of a desire for racial purging and to ignite a race war.
Luke Matthew Read my post below here to ***** . Don't be too hypersensitive.
I have depression and have suffered for a while and i got new meds since then i have grown violent and lost control and even drawn knives on my mother and father.
I believe medication can change a person and make them do things they would never do because i have had this happen first hand.
Get therapy, man
Jacen Barker i do goto a psychologist.
+Ryu Lightorb It's messed up to get so angry and do such a thing. Maybe try not get angry at your parents but those that caused you to be who you are today which i am fucking disgusted by.... people... try cherish your family and your pets. Everyone else is scum and out for themselves
Yes! Thank you for bringing up this subject. It MUST be talked about. A lot of people like myself, have several severe mental illnesses. For instance, someone could have chronic complex PTSD, panic disorder, bipolar and agoraphobia. No studies have been done on the specific interactions between most, if not all, of the medicines needed for that persons drug cocktail. We dont know the long term side effects of this mutant drug. That scared the crap out of me.
I suffer from depression/anxiety and refuse to take any anti-depressants because of the side affects. I prefer to sit back smoke some medicinal cannabis and just chill. Doctors hand out anti depressants like candy, yet we don't know the long term side affects. If one doesn't work, you're put on another one instead and sometimes combinations. When you start combining a drug with many disturbing side affects with another one of it's kind, you may as well be playing russian roulette.
Just so long as you don't decide to become a pilot
That's what I'm saying! The side effects lasted weeks even after I stopped taking the pills. I mean all it does is suppress parts of your brain while giving off tons more side effects. Not worth it.
GPS know when you shouldn't mix two medications together (for the most part). I take 60mg of prozac and have been taking prozac since I was 10 years old, and honestly, it probably saved my life. Sure there are different side effects according to the persons brain chemistry, and I'd much rather be tired then depressed, no doubt. I would go on prescribed weed if I could, but that's simply illegal here. You just have to go with the best option, despite the best option not being all that great.
Gene Blake Yeah I agree, they work for some, but if you have spend a long period of time finding the 'right' anti depressant for you, the odds are all of the other anti depressants have messed with your brain chemistry in some sort of way. Also, sometimes switching between medicines causes a combination of both if you take before the first is out of your system. Like cymbalta to effexor, that's a horrible switch that can lead to a coma or death. Just do your research if switching and you should be fine.. but I feel safer not taking them and having to take them for the rest, if not a good portion of my life.
Enjoy your dementia
Jack Thompson says gaming made these people kill.
I dont think its true
Mees Banning It's a joke about how Jack Thompson blames everything on video games without an ounce of evidence.
aresdotexe Cooking Mama doesn't make me a chef, NBA 2K15 doesn't make me a pro basketball player, and Skate 3 doesn't make a pro skater, so why would GTA or Call of Duty make me a murderer?
***** No I just remember it off the top of my head after seeing it before lol.
aresdotexe ofcourse, not social stress, struggles with society or chemical alteration of the brain, wich all reoccur in murderers are the cause of this. nono, video games....
Finally rob!
Ya changed the background and maintained the tone of your story.
NAILED IT!
Nice job dude!
I'm no psychologist, but.. Andres killed people to make his name known. Wouldn't it be better never to use his name, and just give him a humiliating title, like... Shithead McPedo, to deny him his grab at infamy, and possibly discourage other idiots who might follow? Just never release his name to the public, and use the slander name even in all books and documentation, except for like, the initial police and court reports?
THat would require good policy.
If the internet doesn't insist on keeping the man alive posthumously condemning him to damnatio memoriae is in theory possible yes.
Not everyone with depression want to kill or even harm anyone. Most people with depression or even major depression live very peaceful lives. However, When provoked, anyone with courage will stand up for themselves especially against corrupt police and a corrupt justice system. A lot of people who are depressed use common law instead of guns or weapons. They are the ones the police are afraid of.
What?
If you're interested in somewhat-related events, there's PSA 1771, PCA 773, FDX 705 (ths and Flight 1771 involving airline employees), SilkAir 185 or EgyptAir 990 (both involving flight crew).
Holy shit...I'm in the under 301 club.
Then again, by the time I finished typing this, I probably got passed.
So fuck it...
Same. Same. (╯︵╰,)
If Andres was muslim the story would be so different like "he's a terrorist" but the story says "nope, he had depression"
It just shows sometimes how racist the media can be
I know he did
as a person who suffers from severe anxiety, depression, and a multitude of other personality and psychotic disorders, it was to see that you did your research. you didnt just straight up blame mental illness, labeling all schizophrenics or psycho/sociopaths and mass murderers and serial killers who cause harm and destruction wherever we go. in many of your video where you discuss mental health issues, you do it with respect for the person and those affected. thank you very much for taking your time to be well educated and supportive.
I'm an American and I believe that gun restrictions are not an inherently bad idea. However I fear crazy people so... Yeah. You could call the cops but you can only report it after it's happened. And sometimes seconds count. I feel with America's general culture of non stop warfare and glamour of making the news for shooting unarmed people is just going to get worse. Medical screenings are one thing but BETTER EDUCATION will stop more in the long run. You will have more reasoning and humbleness in citizens. Nuff said.
Not all with mental health problems are crazy. XD
I would like to think I'm not.
jgarfunkle Another thing that would help stop it would be to stop saying the criminals name multiple times, just refer to them as the 'perpetrator" and "the killer", focus on the victims, stop glamorizing what happened and using the tragedy for your own personal gain. [General you here]
Do you have a phobia of them...
Tate Red And stop showing pictures of them everywhere. DON'T MAKE THEM FAMOUS!!! Stupid media
jgarfunkle I agree with the better educational system (America's is an outdated one based off of a what was it Polish system? forgot) but I really don't think America's general culture is like that I mean war has been on the low for a while now if you compare it to a century or two ago really its because of democracy's rise but well lately wars have been a lot fewer and farther in between we seem to be living in the most peaceful period in the history of humans hell almost all of the territorial wars are completely gone and almost all of the wars right now are either civil wars or local conflicts no real wars between major nations.
Most times, when people on medication for anxiety/depression, it isn't really the medicine that causes them to have violent or suicidal thoughts. They already have them. The medication is to help motivate them, normally to get over the anxiety/depression, but if not in the correct dosage, it can motivate someone just enough for them to go through with something they were thinking. In the case of depression, it makes you not want to do anything, yet still want to die. As soon as you get motivation, yet still want to die, you'll actually have the 'energy' to go through with it.
Most of the time it is. There are cases where medication can cause mental side effects, but thats not at all common. Physical side effects, yes, but not mental
You are very good at making your case in arguments.
It's also because it is human nature to be violent even if it is rare.
I think mental health screenings are far more important.
Dexter was the best show ever.
Mental Health Screenings. Put the military budget into it. Develop a system of identifying people who can potentially become mass murderers/serial killers and keep them under watch for life.
Not a bad idea! Honestly if the government actually cut spending on certain departments and areas maybe we could actually help our country.
America needs help with its funds. More is spent on public health yet we have some of the worst public health on the planet. Military spending should be cutback and optimized, followed by optimization of the rest of the budget. Surplus being put into education and mental healthcare.
SteelBadger13 Wow that's a COMPLETE breach of privacy besides, how would you classify who can POTENTIALLY be a serial killer or a murderer, I mean come on just because someone is sick or well i don't know, diagnosed as a psychopath or sociopath does not mean they will be a killer I mean think about how they would feel, its completely unconstitutional besides the amount of money it would take to keep watch on them at all times is crazy.
Nate G This sounds like an anime I'm watching
ThePursuit OfSymmetry I just remembered PsychoPass or something
This really opened up my mind.. I have borderline personality, PTSD, bi polar, depression and ADHD, i am on several that i stopped not long after i started taking them due to worsening suicidal tendency and irritation, but i never took into consideration that this debate could be something that is effecting more and more people.
What we really need to do is stop making these guys famous. Think about it, before their acts, you never knew these people even existed. But now, you do know, because the media outlets keep shoving their names down your throat, and keep focusing on the perpetrator and not the victims.
+Alexander Thompson (Parabellum1994) I agree. The problem here is the media though. They make tons of money when these type of things happen. It’s an absolute field day for them. Remember when, after the San Bernardino shootings, all the media people were crowded into the couples’ apartment like it was some kind of circus sideshow? Yeah, they make too much money off this stuff.
They actually have laws on reporting suicide to prevent “copycat” situations. They should do something similar with these shooters.
+Alexander Thompson (Parabellum1994) As if there weren't mass murders before the media...
Gratex True, but they were very much few and far between back then.
Gun restrictions and mental health screenings should go hand and hand.
You can't buy a gun in the USA if you have a mental health condition
Jack Mills A gun is just 1 of many weapons people can use to accomplish their goals.. Its ONLY the Mental Health that needs improved. Get rid of guns, home made bombs would be used or knives, baseball bats, rocks... or the first weapon ever in history that everybody has... their barehands to punch, choke etc..
They already do?
I love the take you did on this, it has to be the best one I've seen so far. You way of thinking is beautiful and I love it.Go you.
Thank goodness the USA is so particular and careful when hiring pilots...
I think he's being sarcastic=p
Yes cause we love it when our plane lands safely on the runway and not in the outer superstructure of an office tower :D
Henry Sodergren He was a German pilot on a German airline.
I feel like gun ownership should be limited to hunting rifles/shotguns and manual 9mm pistols. All automatic and semi-automatic weapons should be illegal for civilians to own. In addition, a background check before purchase should be mandatory, even at gun shows. The background check should cover both criminal activities and mental illness. These restrictions won't prevent all gun violence, but I feel like they would decrease shootings.
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1) Limiting the ownership of firearms of Americans who legally own their firearms to just hunting rifles, shotguns, and 9mm handguns is absurd. Just because you pass a law that makes it so Americans ( who legally own their firearms ) can only own those guns criminals will still get them. They are already breaking laws so illegally obtaining a gun will be no different to them. You will be hurting everyone but criminals/potential criminals with such a thing.
2) Automatic weapons in the United States requires a machine gun license ( which in most states is near impossible to get ) and you typically go through a long process with the federal government. On top of that you have to register all of your firearms and pay annually to keep your ability to own such firearms.
3) Semi-Automatic sporting rifles should remain legal for civilians to own. The most common firearms in these mass-shootings is handguns and occasionally shotguns. There is literally no reason to try and make it illegal to own any semi-automatic sporting rifles.
4) When you say "Semi-Automatic weapons" you forget that there are Semi-Automatic shotguns and hunting rifles out there. While it is completely overkill in some states you can hunt with a Barrett M82 which is Semi-automatic rifle that shoots .50 BMG rounds.
5) Most states require a background check before you purchase a firearm and you do have to present a valid license ( FID, LTC B, or LTC A ). While some states do not require this process or some stores just ignore this process overall it is mandatory. Also if you are a convicted felon or anything that mandates your firearms license be taken away you will not be able to purchase any firearm whatsoever.
6) It's pretty much impossible to screen someone for mental illness when they are trying to purchase a gun. A person could show no signs of having a mental illness.
7) Those restrictions would not decrease shootings whatsoever. Those kinds of restrictions would make it easier for those shootings to occur. There are quite a few examples of civilians stopping shootings with their own firearms.
Many hunting rifles are semiautomatic. And there's next to know difference between semi auto hunting rifle and ar15 besides tac rails and pistol grips. Tac rails and pistol grips don't kill anyone. You could argue magazine size. But do u know how easy it is to get a large magazine? Making it illegal wouldn't stop anyone since the Internet exists.
Or limit them to people who only use it for sport and to hunt food.
Not going to happen
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"Start your discussions in the comments"
You have opened the gates and released something you cannot defeat.
I wish you luck.
Wait, I'm a loner consistently met with failure, and I can't seem to be in a healthy relationship, I like guns, and I look at anti government stuff... Shit..
Bahama Lynn Sawdin I follow most of those categories but I'm not anti-government. I'm just anti-retarded government.
Same
If your mentally stable enough to realize something like that i don't think you have anything to worry about.
Bahama Lynn Sawdin i am the same and i take anti anxiety pills. without them i wouldn't leave my house... in my opinion there is another mental illness that has yet to be discovered. not everyone is the same. i wouldn't kill anyone or myself just because my medication numbs me out. it takes a certain type of sicko to do those things so fret not my friend
Just, don't kill people.
This is a fascinating watch, Rob! Thankyou for sharing it with us! :)
OMG I'm gettin' SICK of people talking about "gun bans". NOBODY is advocating for outright gun bans except a small percentage of people. The MAJORITY of people only ask for sensible gun controls like mental health screenings and removing certain loopholes, an honest debate. People keep muddying the waters by talking about "we can't ban guns" and using that as the reason why we can't enforce basic, sensible gun control methods. Everybody keeps talking about how we need to focus on mental health, which is OBVIOUSLY true. However, if you think that mentally-handicapped people or terrorists should have easy access to guns (many mass shooters bought their guns legally themselves or had their guns purchased legally by others), you might just be mentally handicapped yourself.
+nmryda Gun control is a slippery slope. The government shouldn't get to decide who is mentally ill
Gregory Samson Who said anything about the "government deciding"?
nmryda People who advocate for "common sense" gun control
Gregory Samson Where? Because that sounds like a talking point that you pulled out of your ass like the "ban guns" talking point.
nmryda fff.org/explore-freedom/article/who-is-mentally-ill/
"What do you think is more important: gun restriction, or mental health screenings?"
Why not have both? Who says it has to be one or the other? And why make the discussion so divisive from the outset?
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Among my many groups, past and present, of associates, we've always had a saying about weapons.
"Don't be afraid of the gun, be afraid of who's pointing it at you."
I mean, gun restrictions might have a small effect on the number of murders yearly, but that only stops the accidental deaths.
And while it's true that serial killers and mass murderers are a *very* small percentage of the population, just one of them has the potential to kill hundreds. I mean after all, what is it they say? "A single man can change the world"?
And most likely with guns acquired through illegal means, or that were *already in their possession beforehand.*
People should stop worrying about gun restrictions so much and focus on the mental health of the people.
Because it doesn't just take a gun to kill. It takes a mindset, too.
If you have anything to add, or to say, feel free too. I'm curious as to what you guys have to say, as well.
Well said, my thoughts have been the same for a number of years. One thing to add, only law abiding citizens would turn in their guns. That means the majority is just more susceptible to crime. I have heard an interesting quote, something like “If only criminals keep their guns, I will become a criminal.”
Obviously, a person's predisposed neurological wiring plays a large part of in their participation in violent atrocities, but one environmental factor I never see discussed in depth is bullying. Many if not most of the mass killers were heavily and cruelly bullied when they were younger by either their parents or their classmates. They were humiliated and abused by almost everyone, and learned that they could never expect anything but abuse from their peers. This prevented many of them from ever forming bonds and thus integrating into society and probably instilled a great sense of general hatred for the people around them and society in general.
It is very likely that being called mentally ill after being understandably depressed/angry at their abuse only further agitated them as it's denying their need for justice by placing the blame for their issues on "chemical imbalances" and "behavioral disorders". You cannot reasonably expect a person who has been bullied their entire life by a majority of their peers to turn around and value their own life, much less the lives of others. Hence the suicidal/homicidal desires are not opposed by respect or love for their fellow man. If you take a group of people and kick them and beat them, some will cower and submit and grow timid with depression and anxiety, but others will burn slow with hatred and strike out at a world they perceive as being completely hostile. And many innocent people are killed as a result.
I am not trying to make excuses for the heinous behavior of these individuals, but am merely trying to give people some empathy into their motives, because if you do not know the proper cause of an illness you cannot find the cure. And I might draw some fire for saying this, but I kind of think these mass murderers are a force of twisted karma. How many of you watching this video can claim to have not picked on our stood by in apathy as someone else was heavily abused by their peers?
In a sense we are creating mass murders, but I don't think it's for many of the reasons that are currently being listed.
We need more mental health screenings over banning guns and taking care of others. I'm diagnosed with anxiety and depression and before I went on medication for it I had the urge and thoughts of committing suicide bc I was so numb I ended up getting help and I'm a lot better today on medication. The government needs to reform mental health and really take a harder approach on it.
if that kid did wanna be bullied he shouldnt have styled his hair like that
***** I agree, but this kid didn't bother talking back, he bothered shooting everyone so obviously he did care what other people had to say.
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If that's what you're serving here I'm glad I got here too late.
I completely understood what rob was saying about depression. I was diagnosed with clinical depression when I was around 13-14 (I'm almost 19 now) and I have been on anti anxiety/depressants since then. BUT rob was not defending this guy particularly, but he was saying that this man had more than clinical depression going on. Clinical depression is a mental illness, but one of the more easily treated ones. The whole point is that mental illness is very very complicated and complex.
I suffer from severe anxiety and severe depression, caused by society, people bullying me, telling me i am worthless.. so while i do get angry i prefer to retreat into myself.. and avoid all people because as i have said "I know the monster i could become". I am under therapy at the moment.. 90% of all my troubles are caused by people and events, and me believing them, 10% i would say is myself.. the less i am around people the better i feel.. anxiety and depression is very individual..
Having seen the "Mayday" episode about this crash, this episode of Seriously Strange is quite interesting. While Mayday focused a lot more on how he carried out the crash, with a little insight into why, this focuses on the potential why's a lot more in depth. Putting the two together, it makes for an interesting case to study.
An underrated video the world needs to see right now
This was a very good episode! Well researched and thought out.
That video kind of scared me. I am suffering from depressions, taking anti-anxiety medicine, and have a track record of failed relationships (last one cheated on me). I never had any intention of killing anyone other than myself, but these facts sort of worry me...
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As a person who suffers from bipolar disorder, I do take medications. One thing I noticed though about psychiatrists is they don't evaluate the patient enough before prescribing medications. I suggest to anyone to see a psychologist first, and have them evaluate whether medication is needed. Also if you suffer from depression, and blame others for your issues, this is a sure sign that medication will probably make your situation worse. Self acceptance is the first thing to recovery.
You can hear the Captain trying to batter down the cockpit door with the fire axe on the black box. But of course cockpit doors are nowadays impregnable. Yet Andreas just sits silently, his breathing becoming more heavy closer to impact. Utterly horrendous.
As a psych major, I've been exposed to stories and statistics of abnormalities in human behavior resulting in both positive and negative outcomes of the individuals suffering. In addition I have been exposed to people hurting others who suffer from a mental illness. Those cases that resulted in death or serious injury are rare and I would like to encourage people to look into the warning signs of depression (since it is the most common mental illness) and other mental illnesses. If the entire world had information on mental illnesses, then we might have a chance in stoping the stigma that comes along with it. If we stop the stigma and approach it with understanding I believe we are half way with a cure.
Medication alone is just not enough for some types of mental illnesses. Therapy and constant monitoring is needed too in a lot of cases. Besides which, everyone is an individual case and should be treated as such. There is no one answer. Health authorities are overwhelmed so become a bit lax in their treatments. People go unmedicated, or given the wrong meds, or inappropriate therapies..etc. It's a combination that sometimes results in stories talked about in this video. But as you said, these cases are very rare. Most people on meds for depression/ anxiety etc do not have such reactions.
I have suffered from depression for most of my life and as a result I have been on and off different antidepressants, at the moment Im off. My last depressive episode was fairly severe and I was put on a pretty heavy duty antidepressant, one of the side effects was suicidal thoughts, which worried me because I have been suicidal in the past, after a period of time I was taken off my meds because I was at a place in my life where I was able to cope on my own. Mental health is a complicated issue and there is not a single answer, but everyone needs to be involved and informed in order to help those that need it.
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