Man I wish we’d have the Gerald Undone in the photography world, your videos are.. basically perfect. On point, very technical, yet short and without the bullshit.
This is what makes Gerald so great. I can't think of anyone else doing these kinds of in depth tests that result in such a wealth of information. Thanks!
1. 8K mode has about 17ms rolling shutter. 2. 8K mode's 4K HDMI output uses nearest neighbour down-scaling, it appears sharp but at the expense of increased moire, compared to pixel-binning. 3. Canon's 4K HQ mode uses bi-linear down-scaling from 8K.
Finally: someone talking about the official battery grip! When everyone was talking about overheating, and Gerald noted that a dummy battery alleviates that, my mind instantly jumped to the battery grip. There's also a 4-battery external official dummy battery too.
I've always wondered who Gerald is looking out for in these intros, but you won't catch my man slipping. This timestamp 0:09 shows his eyes sharp, staying calm but focused so he can bring us the tech breakdowns we rely on. Thank you for your service Mr. Undone, I hope they catch whoever is out there looking for you.
Gerald, your dedication to sharing your deep understanding videography and photography is very much appreciated. And inspires me to understand my cameras better.
Here's something to test out: variable shutter and how to deal with flickering light sources in camera with A1's new fine-tunable shutter speed. You can test this in both photo and video mode. Currently there's not much out there on these minute but VERY IMPORTANT details. Also the new 1/400 flash sync and anti-distortion shutter might also be interesting to test out! Here's to Sony loaning you the A1 for another round of testing ;p
Hi Gerald. Not sure I missed this but I can’t see what setting do you recommend on the a1 to capture the highest quality on the ninja when the camera is setup to 8K. Did you say auto? Or 4K? For the hdmi output.
S-cinetone sounds interesting. You still have to deal with super whites though, right? Would love to see a video some day explaining super whites completely and how to properly use them in post. Thanks for the great videos!
I just love this channel so much. So much love and detail always goes into your videos. Thank you for this! Alwys hyped to see a new video coming out from you :)
as a 20 year long Canon user (tons of lenses) the R5 and R6 release made me think they'll change. But, looking at how quick Sony is with firmware updates, and that they don't go and cripple functions like USB-charging, oversampled external output etc etc.... now I'm back to thinking I should probably jump ship and get me a Sony system. The other thing next to trying to avoid the huge cost of switching is ergonomics. Sony cams feel cramped in my hands.
Gerald, this was one of the most useful videos for the ⍺1 that I've ever watched. I was happy to see that you have a JOIN button. I joined, and I look forward to learning more about my new ⍺1's video capabilities. Thank you for your detailed outlook.
Great catch on the external recording. I recently worked with a client that had pretty much this same implementation - read the sensor at one density, optionally pass through a dsp IC that has a switch to select input density and output density, where density here is resolution. If you are reading at high density it uses more power and you have oversample the output in the dsp, otherwise you can pretty much just pass through the signal. It's interesting that Sony didn't include logic to determine whether you are actually recording internally and changing the read resolution automatically - I don't have an a1 so I don't know, but I'm guessing it's no issue to start internal recording at any point while you are recording externally. They probably can't just flip the read resolution that quickly so they have to leave it as you set it. Very neat observation and video, thanks!
I’m surprised that they don’t bring out a grip that also contains an external hard drive, that can be linked to the camera so files are saved directly to it.
After watching your videos and other's producers for years. You still have the best in-depth video's ever. Bravo for your hard work. It's a lot of work what you do and I appreciate it! Thank you. Need more of this and less of the B.S. out there.
Gerald Great Vid! one question I have is whether the 8K to 4k output to the Ninja V is still truly 422 all-I on the ninja. Since the internal option only supports 420 HS does that affect the quality of the output in terms of chroma subsampling on the ninja V when set to 8K?
Presumably it should be possible because you can intelligently downsample 8k 4:2:0 into 4k 4:4:4 (don't downsample the chroma channels and oversample the luma channel). Don't know how the Ninja does it though.
When you summed up you great video by saying that you didn’t want to give the A1 back or return it to Sony it made me so happy that that I preordered mine last month. I’m getting excited. Thanks for your hard work and super great content
How’s the autofocus in 8K? In the previous gen (a7iii, a9, a7Riii, etc) when they first introduced 4K, AF was/is pretty lousy. How does it work, especially with eye and face AF in 8K?
At the 12:23 minute mark, I had to stop and write this down, Gerald, love your channel, but to answer your question at the time stamp, and to answer some other likely ones you have regarding the topic mentioned around that time stamp.... and that is as follows. Dude, It’s Sony, they R&D and manufacture the PlayStation, and have for over 20 years. You’re pointing out that the camera doesn’t lock us out of features for using the 8K option, which is good to hear, is what turned the light bulb on for me, bc that’s the type of thinking I’ve come to be accustomed to by preferring Sony on everything for the last 20 years. When you have to figure out how to manage heating with a GPU/CPU config for mass manufacturing, they’re gonna figure it out for their cameras too I’d like to think and think I just saw in your video.... best intro out of all cinema channels.
I need to create a compact battery system that fits into an underwater housing in a specific space. What voltage and amps are required to power/charge the camera through USB-C power delivery? Camera will have it factory battery installed.
Mate, noticed something interesting about the dual iso for s-cinetone. Forgive me if this was mentioned previously but when going to the upper base iso (2000), you actually have to go past it to 2500 and then back to 2000 for it to clean up. Just dialing it up from the lower values up to 2000, it has the same noise as 1600 but if you go to 2500 and then dial it back, it cleans up. 👍
Thank you Gerald! always the go to guy for this stuff. I love when watching other reviewers or people talking about gear how they usually refer to you for more detailed information. You are doing a great thing and I know it really helps so many people. Now if I only had unlimited funds to buy all this cool gear. lol. I know I don't need it all but some would be nice to have. Thanks again.
Noticed the same thing when sending 1080p from the A7SIII to the Atem Mini Pro ISO. Quality of the ISO recordings was much better when the camera is set to 4k internal.
The oversample thing is something I also saw way back on the Panasonic G70. You could go 1080p 60 or 30 without a crop or you could live with a slight crop, set the camera to 2160p 30 and output super sharp 1080p. I then had the signal fed into a USB capture thingie. Probably one of the best 1080p webcam solutions at the time.
Hi, I am a new Sony Alpha 1 user and I have noticed that my new Sony Alpha 1 machine has been slightly hot for three minutes while I was adjusting the menus. As I continued to adjust the menu, I felt the Sony Alpha 1 inside my hand getting noticeably hot when I adjusted it for ten minutes.
Gerald, I just updated the firmware of my A7S3 to 2.0, and somehow I'm now able to record XAVC S 4K 100 & 120fps onto a Lexar 128GB V60 SD card. Any thoughts on this? This shouldn't be possible tho, right?
I can confirm that the internal to external downsampling even works on the "consumer" level cameras like the a6400, when set to 4k internally and 1080p HDMI output it's much sharper, has less noise, and because of that wonderful old sensor also has more rolling shutter.
If you choose to record in 8K internally that mean you get 4:2:0 footage from the 8K, will you also get 4:2:0 4K externally? If yes, that’s kind of a double sword; cleaner image but less bit depth. One could be concerned to lose some dynamic range for color grading in post compared to 4K/4K.
Hey Gerald , BIG FAN. Got a question that I think only you have the answer for. Using this knowledge I set my a7iii to 4k internally but output 1080p, my capture card is saying this is 60fps. Now, does this mean I'm getting 4k 30 downscaled to 1080 but with added dead frames or am I getting some weird version of 4k 60fps (which the camera doesnt do) downscaled to 1080? Apologies for how dumb I am, hope that makes sense!
Over heating & battery issue is still the main issue apart from all the advanced technology , Canon 1Dx iii & Nikon D6 remains on their spot in case of durability all we need is and updated version of this two brands . Is Sony A1 test in Artic ?
Hi. Thank you for this revue. I would like to know what do you think about the possibility of power the A7SIII with an AC power charger from the grid. The Google 30W usb-C charger have 5volt, 9volt and 20v at the only usb output. Only 9v-3amp is recommended by sony. Could this kind of charger harm the camera? Is there a probability that the charger send 20 volt to the usb input and damage it ?
Question about timed video length tests... If the camera and subject are stationary, is that a “fair” test? I thought video compression works by minimizing data written in part by comparing frame to frame, and if that’s the case, isn’t a timed test of a wall where nothing ever changes making it easier on the camera than normal use? I wonder how a stationary test would compare to a camera on an automatic slider or panning rig in terms of heat and file size? I can see your gears turning already.
We shoot real estate interiors and SLOG3 is just so fussy. We however like the DR out of it. That said, would S Cinetone give me the most DR outside of LOG? I am getting good results with Cine4 and also standard with shadows at +7 and highlights at -7.
I have a question Gerald, if you don't mind, as you didn't really talk about this. Ok, so we set the camera internally to record 8k, but choose output to be 4k over HDMI. My only concern with this? Aren't we going to lose the 4:2:2 goodness, and also be stuck at 30P? I assume so :( Please confirm or correct me. Thank you for such great work on your videos, I love them!
Man I wish we’d have the Gerald Undone in the photography world, your videos are.. basically perfect.
On point, very technical, yet short and without the bullshit.
That 8k internal to 4k output is absolutely brilliant sir, well done
"I'm Gerald Undone and it's been S-Log since I've seen you"
aight you won this one
jesus this one is so good.
Slow down 😩
I love your videos but can you slow down no need to talk so fast
@@POSE4DAN Is that me or Gerald?
Now I know why everyone sends you to watch Gerald Undone
I bet James May would too, spanners are looking tidy and are correctly placed.
Thought everyone sees Markuspix
This is what makes Gerald so great. I can't think of anyone else doing these kinds of in depth tests that result in such a wealth of information. Thanks!
That is an interesting finding about the external recording.
Yup that is a fantastic find! Oversampled 4K recording.
I'm Gerald Undone, and I know Victoria's Secret.
This is the type of content almost nobody else creates and I truly appreciate it! Amazing work, as usual, thanks a lot, Gerald!
1. 8K mode has about 17ms rolling shutter.
2. 8K mode's 4K HDMI output uses nearest neighbour down-scaling, it appears sharp but at the expense of increased moire, compared to pixel-binning.
3. Canon's 4K HQ mode uses bi-linear down-scaling from 8K.
Finally: someone talking about the official battery grip! When everyone was talking about overheating, and Gerald noted that a dummy battery alleviates that, my mind instantly jumped to the battery grip. There's also a 4-battery external official dummy battery too.
My First thoughts were dummy battery in the grip 😅
But what about the dummy behind the camera? I hear it can cause issues.
I've always wondered who Gerald is looking out for in these intros, but you won't catch my man slipping. This timestamp 0:09 shows his eyes sharp, staying calm but focused so he can bring us the tech breakdowns we rely on. Thank you for your service Mr. Undone, I hope they catch whoever is out there looking for you.
I've been watching your vids for years, and they just keep increasing in quality. Always a pleasure to watch your discussions
Literally the best camera videos on TH-cam. Thanks, G.
Gerald, your dedication to sharing your deep understanding videography and photography is very much appreciated. And inspires me to understand my cameras better.
Genius setting 8k internal and getting a sharper 4K externally!
Love the attention to the Tech side of the review & testing various situations with multiple compositions of the gear ... Great Job as Always !
So appreciate all the technical deep dives. Been here for a long time and there is no one better. Thanks so much. 🙏🏼
the oversampling info was super nice Gerald, thanks for your exhaustive contribution as always!
Gerald, would you still recommend the A1 in April of 2022 or do you feel the new version will arrive later this year?
i've never found a youtuber that impresses me as much as this guy every video
Could the oversampled 4K got “fixed” by sony?
I’ve tried it and the 8K option is disabled while the HDMI cable is connected to the ninja v.
same
Here's something to test out: variable shutter and how to deal with flickering light sources in camera with A1's new fine-tunable shutter speed. You can test this in both photo and video mode. Currently there's not much out there on these minute but VERY IMPORTANT details. Also the new 1/400 flash sync and anti-distortion shutter might also be interesting to test out!
Here's to Sony loaning you the A1 for another round of testing ;p
"I'm Gerald Undone and all i want is a perfect camera"
Camera conspiracies...😂😂😂
Hell yes. We need this to happen before the cripple hammer comes out of hibernation...
Need a little conspiracy in your life?.....
Loser :)
Hi Gerald. Not sure I missed this but I can’t see what setting do you recommend on the a1 to capture the highest quality on the ninja when the camera is setup to 8K. Did you say auto? Or 4K? For the hdmi output.
Can you please recommend THE BEST dummy batteries to power the A1, A7Siii, and A7iii? I would like to power by mains and also d-tap. Thanks!
A new breed of TH-camr that really knows their stuff. Brilliant. Very informative. Thank you.
S-cinetone sounds interesting. You still have to deal with super whites though, right? Would love to see a video some day explaining super whites completely and how to properly use them in post. Thanks for the great videos!
Just because I know you can do this, does it run cooler when you drill holes in the dummy battery?
Not even a Sony guy, and I’ll sit and watch these videos cause Gerald makes it interesting.
The 8k internal / 4k output does not work if outputting raw over HDMI.
I just bought a7Siii and than FX3 came out... Should I return my a7Siii and get FX3 or just stay with what I have and finally unbox that bad boy?! :)
Depends. If you use xlr, and don't use the evf, the fx3 could be the better option. Other than ergonomics, it is literally the same camera
Stay with it
This Guy deserve at least 1 million subscribe, great job as always.
He'll get there... =)
Do you use a gray card for exposing S-cinetone or just stick to protecting highlights and getting what looks good in camera?
03:52 - Learning with Gerald. Love it!
What can I say? I'm SOOOOO thankful/grateful to have you advocating for the community and educating us as well! Alright... I'm done. :-)
That's awesome Gerald! Thanks for taking the time to put these tests together ✌🏽
There is nobody best at this than Gerald. A unicorn.
Truly excellent review / update! This is next level insight into the capabilities of these cameras that I haven’t seen elsewhere.
Such a pleasure to watch your work Gerald 👍thank you.
I just love this channel so much. So much love and detail always goes into your videos. Thank you for this! Alwys hyped to see a new video coming out from you :)
Hi Gerald, whats the brand of the powerbank?
Very informative and great comparisons on screen as usual! Thank you for taking the time and effort to compare these options and settings.
The gold standard for camera and video equipment content
as a 20 year long Canon user (tons of lenses) the R5 and R6 release made me think they'll change. But, looking at how quick Sony is with firmware updates, and that they don't go and cripple functions like USB-charging, oversampled external output etc etc.... now I'm back to thinking I should probably jump ship and get me a Sony system.
The other thing next to trying to avoid the huge cost of switching is ergonomics. Sony cams feel cramped in my hands.
Gerald, you’re my go to for anything creative related. Your honesty and in depth reviews are unmatched
Gerald, this was one of the most useful videos for the ⍺1 that I've ever watched. I was happy to see that you have a JOIN button. I joined, and I look forward to learning more about my new ⍺1's video capabilities. Thank you for your detailed outlook.
Great catch on the external recording. I recently worked with a client that had pretty much this same implementation - read the sensor at one density, optionally pass through a dsp IC that has a switch to select input density and output density, where density here is resolution. If you are reading at high density it uses more power and you have oversample the output in the dsp, otherwise you can pretty much just pass through the signal. It's interesting that Sony didn't include logic to determine whether you are actually recording internally and changing the read resolution automatically - I don't have an a1 so I don't know, but I'm guessing it's no issue to start internal recording at any point while you are recording externally. They probably can't just flip the read resolution that quickly so they have to leave it as you set it.
Very neat observation and video, thanks!
Gerald, you are the absolute best. You are the advocate that Sony didn't know, it needed.
I’m surprised that they don’t bring out a grip that also contains an external hard drive, that can be linked to the camera so files are saved directly to it.
Very exciting stuff here! Nice job as always with all the details. Boom!
This video was helpful and entertaining. Thanks, Gerald.
After watching your videos and other's producers for years. You still have the best in-depth video's ever. Bravo for your hard work. It's a lot of work what you do and I appreciate it! Thank you. Need more of this and less of the B.S. out there.
Gerald Great Vid! one question I have is whether the 8K to 4k output to the Ninja V is still truly 422 all-I on the ninja. Since the internal option only supports 420 HS does that affect the quality of the output in terms of chroma subsampling on the ninja V when set to 8K?
Presumably it should be possible because you can intelligently downsample 8k 4:2:0 into 4k 4:4:4 (don't downsample the chroma channels and oversample the luma channel). Don't know how the Ninja does it though.
The resolution should be there as Paramour mentioned in their reply as well.
@Gerald why not use HLG instead of S-Cinetone
Love your (non) sponsor disclosure at the beginning. Few TH-camrs do that, which speaks plenty for themselves.
Thank God for Gerald Undone. And thank Gerald Undone for Gerald Undone.
Feeling heat is a good thing, it shows it is dissipating the heat and not keeping it IN the device.
Great work Gerald, really appreciate your deep dives into all these topics. This information is invaluable.
I like that the wrenches in the background sort of mimic the dynamic range tester
this is next level inside tips. great work man!
Yes! S-Cinetone gets Undone!
Now we need a Rode Wirless Go 2 vs Hollyland Lark vs Saramonic Blink Pro
When you summed up you great video by saying that you didn’t want to give the A1 back or return it to Sony it made me so happy that that I preordered mine last month. I’m getting excited. Thanks for your hard work and super great content
Great information Gerald. Thank you for sharing! 👍
How’s the autofocus in 8K?
In the previous gen (a7iii, a9, a7Riii, etc) when they first introduced 4K, AF was/is pretty lousy. How does it work, especially with eye and face AF in 8K?
At the 12:23 minute mark, I had to stop and write this down, Gerald, love your channel, but to answer your question at the time stamp, and to answer some other likely ones you have regarding the topic mentioned around that time stamp.... and that is as follows.
Dude, It’s Sony, they R&D and manufacture the PlayStation, and have for over 20 years. You’re pointing out that the camera doesn’t lock us out of features for using the 8K option, which is good to hear, is what turned the light bulb on for me, bc that’s the type of thinking I’ve come to be accustomed to by preferring Sony on everything for the last 20 years.
When you have to figure out how to manage heating with a GPU/CPU config for mass manufacturing, they’re gonna figure it out for their cameras too I’d like to think and think I just saw in your video.... best intro out of all cinema channels.
I need to create a compact battery system that fits into an underwater housing in a specific space.
What voltage and amps are required to power/charge the camera through USB-C power delivery? Camera will have it factory battery installed.
How is it that you only have 241K subs?.... Great work man!
What about (8k in/4K out- Sony A1) VS (4k in/4k out Sony A7sIII) ? Which one looks better?
@Gerald Those closed captions of yours are amazing.
Mate, noticed something interesting about the dual iso for s-cinetone. Forgive me if this was mentioned previously but when going to the upper base iso (2000), you actually have to go past it to 2500 and then back to 2000 for it to clean up. Just dialing it up from the lower values up to 2000, it has the same noise as 1600 but if you go to 2500 and then dial it back, it cleans up. 👍
"I'm Gerald Undone and I love some S-Log for breakfast"
Make sure you add a hint of Dynamic Range to those pancakes
and overcook it a little more
Will Sony make an 'X' version of this camera too? Like they did with the FX3. Thoughts?
Thank you Gerald! always the go to guy for this stuff. I love when watching other reviewers or people talking about gear how they usually refer to you for more detailed information. You are doing a great thing and I know it really helps so many people. Now if I only had unlimited funds to buy all this cool gear. lol. I know I don't need it all but some would be nice to have. Thanks again.
Hi Gerald, I really like your videos.
Noticed the same thing when sending 1080p from the A7SIII to the Atem Mini Pro ISO. Quality of the ISO recordings was much better when the camera is set to 4k internal.
The oversample thing is something I also saw way back on the Panasonic G70. You could go 1080p 60 or 30 without a crop or you could live with a slight crop, set the camera to 2160p 30 and output super sharp 1080p. I then had the signal fed into a USB capture thingie. Probably one of the best 1080p webcam solutions at the time.
Excellent review and great find in the 8k/4K output!
Hi, I am a new Sony Alpha 1 user and I have noticed that my new Sony Alpha 1 machine has been slightly hot for three minutes while I was adjusting the menus. As I continued to adjust the menu, I felt the Sony Alpha 1 inside my hand getting noticeably hot when I adjusted it for ten minutes.
Gerald, I just updated the firmware of my A7S3 to 2.0, and somehow I'm now able to record XAVC S 4K 100 & 120fps onto a Lexar 128GB V60 SD card. Any thoughts on this? This shouldn't be possible tho, right?
What about the xavc i 4k 120 ?
@@YoungBlaze nah. doesn't work
Hi, awesome video, thanks a lot! What about a7RV? Is it the same story as a1? For static shots it sounds like a ideal compromise.
I can confirm that the internal to external downsampling even works on the "consumer" level cameras like the a6400, when set to 4k internally and 1080p HDMI output it's much sharper, has less noise, and because of that wonderful old sensor also has more rolling shutter.
Is it true that the A1 throttles the burst rate of third-party lenses? Like you can't get the full 30 frames per second is using a non Sony lens?
Thanks for the thoughtful, detailed, human reviews. Subscribed!
those shelves look familiar lol.
Fro Knows Photo!!!!
I think yours are higher quality. These are my old ones from my 2018 set. Home Depot ones.
Impressed. Answered to some questions I didn't even knew I had
If you choose to record in 8K internally that mean you get 4:2:0 footage from the 8K, will you also get 4:2:0 4K externally? If yes, that’s kind of a double sword; cleaner image but less bit depth. One could be concerned to lose some dynamic range for color grading in post compared to 4K/4K.
I just asked the same question, and I see nobody verified this point you are making too. I believe you are correct unfortunately, and that's a bummer.
Hey Gerald , BIG FAN. Got a question that I think only you have the answer for. Using this knowledge I set my a7iii to 4k internally but output 1080p, my capture card is saying this is 60fps. Now, does this mean I'm getting 4k 30 downscaled to 1080 but with added dead frames or am I getting some weird version of 4k 60fps (which the camera doesnt do) downscaled to 1080? Apologies for how dumb I am, hope that makes sense!
Over heating & battery issue is still the main issue apart from all the advanced technology , Canon 1Dx iii & Nikon D6 remains on their spot in case of durability all we need is and updated version of this two brands . Is Sony A1 test in Artic ?
Hi. Thank you for this revue. I would like to know what do you think about the possibility of power the A7SIII with an AC power charger from the grid. The Google 30W usb-C charger have 5volt, 9volt and 20v at the only usb output. Only 9v-3amp is recommended by sony. Could this kind of charger harm the camera? Is there a probability that the charger send 20 volt to the usb input and damage it ?
Question: How exactly to you connect your A1 to mains power? What are the components you use and trust on a, $6,500 camera.
Color phase +2 for scinetone as well?
I probably wouldn't, no. That's more of an S-Gamut3.Cine thing.
Appreciate the quick bullet style Gerald ... thanks tons!!!
You are very much underrated bro
Question about timed video length tests... If the camera and subject are stationary, is that a “fair” test? I thought video compression works by minimizing data written in part by comparing frame to frame, and if that’s the case, isn’t a timed test of a wall where nothing ever changes making it easier on the camera than normal use? I wonder how a stationary test would compare to a camera on an automatic slider or panning rig in terms of heat and file size? I can see your gears turning already.
Great video again Gerald I pre order sony a1 but active steady shot cannot be enable
Yay more Gerald Undone a1 content!
Great, any test video quality 8k compare to canon R5?
Hi Gerald, wouldn't filming moving object like ventilator blowing on tinsel be more representative of overheating?
We shoot real estate interiors and SLOG3 is just so fussy. We however like the DR out of it. That said, would S Cinetone give me the most DR outside of LOG? I am getting good results with Cine4 and also standard with shadows at +7 and highlights at -7.
I have a question Gerald, if you don't mind, as you didn't really talk about this. Ok, so we set the camera internally to record 8k, but choose output to be 4k over HDMI. My only concern with this? Aren't we going to lose the 4:2:2 goodness, and also be stuck at 30P? I assume so :( Please confirm or correct me. Thank you for such great work on your videos, I love them!