41:24 in the novel to this movie it’s revealed that Sarah did eventually tell John who his father was. When John came to power he found Kyle and assigned him to a unit close to him. He never actually told Reese about their family connection. Just before Kyle was sent back in time, John came to see him to get Kyle to memorize the speech to tell Sarah. Then once Kyle could repeat it verbatim, John just stood for a moment and just looked at him. Then John hugged Kyle tightly and left the room before he could ask any questions. It was only after Kyle was sent back in time that John Connor told the assembled technicians and soldiers that Reese was his father. He then shed tears for his father who he had just sent to his death.
Ladies the actors who played Bishop, Hudson and Hicks from Aliens were all in Terminator. Hicks was the main good guy that saves Sara in this. Hudson was one of the puck rockers that Terminator takes their clothing. Bishop was the detective.
@@anthonystinson5722couldn’t remember if it was Cameron or Joel Silver. I know both of those producers used a lot of the same actors in the 80s/90s. Both could always build a great cast.
This movie was a sensation when it came out. No one had ever seen such a combination of horror, science fiction, slasher movie and love story. The sheer brutality of the terminator murdering the first Sarah and Ginger, carefully emptying its pistol into each one was shocking for the time. Then the unprecedented and murderous assault on the police station. The intelligent script combined with the breathless pace, driving techno soundtrack made this a classic. The circular journey of the Picture, with Sarah thinking about Kyle, and him wondering what she was thinking about, just stuck the landing.
I keep telling people that this movie has something for everyone. Action, Sci-fi, horror, and romance. And it's done in a nice and tight format that doesn't go overboard or stall out the story. It starts with suspense, gives some tension, ramps up the action, backs off to let you breathe, and then ramps it back up until the climax and resolution.
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7:20 The internet didn't exist in the 80s, every household had a Phone Book provided to you free of charge by your phone company and updated every year. You were given two books, one was the persons' home directory and the other was the commercial one. For example if you wanted to call your local pizza restaurant for delivery then you would find the restaurant phone number on your commercial phone book. To navigate through cities you needed to stop at a gas station to buy a map then following the road signs plus asking the local people for directions you could reach your destination, usually only while the sun is up.
When I lived in Los Angeles in the 1980's & 90's, you really needed a Thomas Guide, maps of every center corner of the metro area. A book with 290 pages, one & half inches thick.
36:01 “He’s like a cyborg Michael Myers” FUN FACT: James Cameron always said John Carpenter’s Halloween was his inspiration for The Terminator. So in the most literal sense, Terminator IS his version of Michael Myers 😊
“The Terminator came from a dream that I had while I was sick with a fever in a cheap pensione in Rome in 1981. It was the image of a chrome skeleton emerging from a fire. When I woke up, I began sketching on the hotel stationery.
Uh.... Except for the very first theatrical release of The Terminator. all subsequent releases, in the end credits. have a line crediting the work of Harlan Ellison. Ellison (died 2018) was an infamously irascible writer, of novels, short stories, and several television scripts. He wrote the original script for Star Trek's (Original Series) "City on the Edge of Forever" , which won that years World Science Fiction Hugo Award for best screenplay. Before Star Trek, Harlan had wrote a couple of time travel scripts for an earlier series, The Outer Limits. "Demon with a Glass Hand" was the one most directly influential on Cameron's first Terminator script. Copies of the Terminator script circulated around LA, and Harlan heard about the similarities. Harlan called up Cameron and (supposedly) politely asked for a simple credit of acknowledgment, and no money. James Cameron blew off Harlan Ellison. Big mistake... Harlan was as free in filing lawsuits as any Scientologist. The short of it, in an out-of-court settlement, Harlan got $70K (a token, really, considering it was a box office hit) and those subsequent release credits. If you ever get the chance, ask James Cameron what he thinks about Harlan Ellison...
My favourite part, and a sad fact, is when Kyle said that he always wondered what Sarah was thinking at that moment in the picture. And she was thinking in Kyle during that tape record. Lovers across time....
Almost in the first scene with the three guys, the blue haired is Bill Paxton, a very well known actor who appeared in Titanic, Aliens or Twister, among another ones.
When it comes to the question of who is John’s father the answer is that it is a major paradox because in the original version of time John couldn’t exist because Reese wasn’t there to have sex with Sarah, thus John couldn’t have sent Reese back to in time and the entire franchise wouldn’t have occurred.
The Terminator's eyebrows were burned 🔥 off from the explosion just prior to his punching through the windshield to grab Sarah Connor. I think this makes the Terminator look even more menacing. Like there's something off about him. Like he's not quite human. Almost like an unstoppable Frankenstein monster! -OG
arnold doesnt 'come back' hes a machine and built like a machine in a factory. so...that means there are a bunch of machines just like him being produced.
Incidentally, the stop-motion at the very end isn't very good but that's not a "product of its time". The Terminator skeleton puppet wasn't given to the stop-motion team to take measurements for weeks after it should have been. They didn't know what the thing looked like, so they couldn't work on the stop-motion. They had to rush it, so the stop-motion looks rather dodgy. The puppet of Arnold's head, _that_ is more "a product of its time". Anyway, the franchise treats time travel differently depending on the movie, but here we have a stable time loop, as Ryl observed. One has to sort of expand the definition of "cause and effect" to accept that the effect can precede the cause. John sent Kyle back because he'd sent Kyle back; if he hadn't, he wouldn't have been born, but he was born, so he did. "When did it begin?" This is why it's a stable time loop; from Kyle's point of view, it began in our future, which was his past. From his perspective, cause and effect happened normally; he grew up, became an adult, met Sarah, had a night with her. John Conner never told Kyle what would and did happen, so from Kyle's perspective he meets John, who later gives him a picture of Sarah. Kyle Between the picture and the stories John related, Kyle started to fall for Sarah, as John knew he would. Another example of a stable time loop is that the Terminator's hunting of Sarah is what helped turn her into the bad-ass Kyle would later know her to be, and it was what drove her to train her son how to be the leader, the man, he would one day be. If the Terminator hadn't gone back in time, Kyle wouldn't have gone back, he wouldn't father John, and the machines wouldn't have had such a resolute resistance. It makes more sense if you don't look at it from an objective point of view, and focus on the subjective experiences of the people involved. "Time" doesn't change for Kyle; traveling through time doesn't make him younger or older or whatever. It's effectively no different than his walking into another room. He's still him, he's still the age he was before he stepped into the room. From _others'_ perspectives, he arrived in the second room before leaving the first one, but that's not _his_ experience. As for other movies in the franchise, like everyone else I have to recommend watching _Terminator 2: Judgement Day._ It's an incredibly good sequel, and people still argue about whether it's better than the original, much like _Alien_ and _Aliens._ After _T2,_ though, that's where things get--difficult. The franchise splits into a handful of different timelines, with movies and a television show that have almost nothing to do with each other. Personally, after _T2,_ I recommend watching _Terminator: Dark Fate,_ as it ignores the entire franchise after the first two movies and picks up after the second. It was made by die-hard fans with personal involvement of James Cameron, and I think it works with the first two to make a really good trilogy. It's not "perfect", but I think it has just as much depth and complexity as the first two movies, and asks questions about what fate and destiny mean, about whether redemption is possible after a heinous act. Now, you want a time travel movie that'll _really_ bake your noodles, check out _Predestination_ starring Ethan Hawke. I can say absolutely nothing about it, because it's the kind of movie where you either spoil everything, so you sound like a complete lunatic. 😄 I _will_ say that the clue's in the title; it deals with the concept of predestination in time travel.
25:40 I think he said "hey" because he wanted him to turn around so that he wouldn't have to shoot him in the back. It's easier for a cop to make the case that a suspect posed an imminent danger to him if he shoots him in the front. If he shoots the suspect in the back, things get more complicated for the cop.
9:30 Yes, that is Bishop from Aliens. There are three actors who are in both Aliens and Terminator. A fourth actor is in both Aliens and Terminator 2. Lance Henricksen. In Aliens, he plays the android named Bishop who Ripley does not trust, until the end. In Terminator, he plays a police officer who is some sort of assistant to, or underling to, Lieutenant Drexler. Michael Biehn. In Aliens he plays Sgt. Dwayne Hicks, the only soldier who survives until the end; earlier, he repeats what Ripley said about taking off and nuking the place from space because that is the only way to be sure. In Terminator he plays the lead male role; Kyle Reese, protector of Sarah Connor. Bill Paxton. In Aliens, he plays Private Hudson, who freaks out several times ("Game over, man, game over!"). In Terminator, he has a very small role: in the beginning, when Arnold is naked and needs clothes, Bill Paxton plays the leader of the punks, and he has spikey blue hair. Jenette Elise Goldstein. In Aliens, she plays PFC Jenette Vasquez, who has a great come back line to one of the soldiers (The male soldier asks her if she has ever been mistaken for a man, and she replies, "No, have you?"). In Terminator 2, she plays the foster mother of John Connor ("She's not my mother, Todd").
Yeah. And there's a great vampire film called Near Dark that includes Lance Henricksen (Bishop), Jeanette Goldstein (Vasquez) and Bill Paxton (Hudson) from Aliens. A film full of awesome biker-style vampires.
Yeah that's a mind twister right there trying to wrap your head around the fact that Kyle Reese is John Connor's Dad. Plus trying to figure out how long this has been going on with the time continuum the time travel yeah it can mess with your head. Movies over young lady please settle down the movie is over get your head out of that space. Great reaction for a good movie. You two young ladies are some good people to watch,thank you for this.
I love your reactions to this movie The Terminator. I really enjoy your reaction a lot. It is really like watching the movie with you guys. The very first time that I have saw the movie The Terminator was when I was only 8 years old at the time when it came out on VHS and Home Video. My Mom and I have watched The Teminator together.
1. Linda Hamilton ROCKED. She's really built in T2. 2. Along with Lance Henriksen/Vukovich, Michael Biehn/Reese and the late great Bill Paxton/punk all played in Aliens as Bishop, Hicks and Hudson respectively. 3.We have limited AI now. 4. If this wasn't a movie the ammunition would not have been available on the gun shop counter. 5. Ginger's boyfriend Matt must be a lousy lay if she needs rock and roll to "rock and roll".🙄 6. Watching people react to the eye operation is worth watching this all by itself. 7. Now, that's a bitch slap.😱
Watch the movies in order. They will answer most of your questions. Next is Terminator: Judgement Day. The 3rd is Terminator: Rise of the Machine. Many people don't like this one but I liked it because it provides an arc from #2 to #4 -- Terminator: Salvation (my favorite). I didn't watch the ones after that because I didn't see the point.But I did watch Terminator: Dark Fate because of the cast but told myself. I should have stopped at #4. Do what you will but please watch 2-4 in order.
Here's something kind of interesting about the message that Kyle Reese gives Sarah from her son. In the 2nd movie, a couple of lines from it are quoted as though a callback to the first movie. The only problem is that some of it was cut out of the first movie. I don't see why it's good. The lines are: "The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
17:22 Now this is scary, he said 40 years from 1984. We are 40 years later. AI is growing as we expected like Reese said. Why is life imitating my films of childhood? We always knew
You guys remind me of my Granddaughters. So beautiful and intelligent. Important to form your own opinions. Have subscribed for sure. Consider us older folks who had to watch these 1980 movies in the theater. We were really scared from huge screen and loud speakers.
33:04 Not necessarily. This is what is called a time loop paradox, if my memory is correct. It's when traveling to the past alters the future by setting the very events in motion that results in the act of traveling to the past. Both past and future are causally linked to each other in an unresolvable loop. It's a common trope used in time travel movies.
It's true that there could be no John without Kyle coming back. So there is indeed a loop where Kyle will always go back, be the father to Sarah's baby John, then John is born and grows up to be the leader who then sends Kyle back and the loop begins again. Kyle himself is born independent and grows up to be a fighter alongside a guy who actually is his son when he had not even met Sarah yet. He has to go back in time so that John exists. John probably knows Kyle is his father but doesn't tell him, so Kyle doesn't know but John gives him the picture so Kyle can start falling in love with Sarah before he goes back in time.
30:30 The black cop, Laxter, gives them the gun after he is shot by the Terminator. (in a deleted scene). There is another deleted scene that helps develop Sarah's character a fair bit... she also tells her Mom to leave on a pay phone in this scene while kyle tries to fix the truck.
Another deleted moment is Lt Drexler being shown having doubts about if Reese is crazy as Reese is too coherent and logical to be some rando nutjob but he can't quite believe it. It's a short and quiet moment where you see his smugness turn to doubt and thought. This leads to him facing the Terminator, being shot, and hanging on long enough to hand over his service revolver to Reese before he dies.
Hi Jyn & Ryl, it's awesome you've seen this sci-fi classic :) it's an amazing movie and is one of my personal favourites. Please react to it's incredible sequel Terminator 2 (1991) asap.
"Didn't realise there was a film before that". Really??? The clue is in the title, 'Terminator '2' Judgement day.. I wonder sometimes I really do............................ :(
As a child you can barely remember your age much less pay attention to the title of a movie 🙂. As we stated we watched one of the old terminators as kids we can barely even remember which one.
@@JynxRyl Ahhh I thought you had reacted to T2 first (recently). Many apologies, I misunderstood! Please forgive a grumpy old Englishman who enjoys most of your reactions.
44:32 "It's just like a loop. It's like a _loop_ thing." As a matter of fact, it's a well documented phenomenon in science fiction called either a "pre-destination paradox" or a "causal loop." We have _two_ events, each of which causes the _other._ In the future, General John Connor sends back Sargent Kyle Reese to protect his mother. In the past, Kyle Reese finds Sarah Connor, protects her, takes her on the run, things get intimate, and he ends up siring the child who will go on to be General Connor. So Sargent Reese would not have come back in time if General Connor had not _sent_ him back in time. But General Connor would not have existed if Sargent Reese had not traveled back to _sire_ him. And in the midst of all this, Kyle Reese takes on the form of a curious irony. He was born _after_ the war, but he died _before_ it. 🤷♂
You're pretty much hitting the nail on the head.. One thing about time travel movies is that you always find paradoxes. However; When it comes to "loops" what they need is a starting point, and in this movie there is none. The only solution that exist is that there have been a timeline that kind of start off normal, where Sarah Connor did NOT give birth to this "Messiah" like character, BUT for some reason someone went back in time, and thus altered the future; This didn't stop the machines so someone went back in time to alter the future.At some point it was the person in this film who who went back and he fathered a child with Sarah (despite her not being relevant to the future at all at this moment in time, so it has to just been something that randomly happened while they were trying to fix the future through some other path) which lead to Sarah giving birth to her child, who later became the leader of the revolution, and because they were winning they wanted to make sure that what was working would be cemented.. kind of turning the loop in to a metaphorical knot making sure that history would continue on that SPECIFIC line that already existed. Instead of going back to try to fix history, they went back to preserve it. This is ONE way where this movie could be excused, but reality is that when you watch the sequels you start getting more and more difficult to actually find a rationale that really works for ALL things that happen in the entire franchise, so trying to figure out the logic behind can be a fun mental exercise, but.. "suspension of disbelief" is imperative for enjoyment. There is a flaw in many time-travel movies where they go back specifically in order to prevent a problem, and that is that.. if the problem never arose they would never have thought about going back to prevent it in the first place (IF no one made sure the information existed that a specific person HAD to go back in time to fix the present DESPITE the present being okay).. The problem with really "Fixing" the future (f.ex. like trying to alter the history of AI development so the war never even starts), also brings with it the problem that people won't be the "same" who goes back after it is fixed IF they know that they have to go back at all. This video would be a good example: The reason Sarah was safe because of a war-hardened veteran went back in time to fight the machine trying to kill her. If they avoided the war all together EVEN if this specific person still was born, he wouldn't have the same experiences, personality, skills and motivation..
Termination 1, 2, 3 and Salvation all take place in the same continuity. Genysis was intended to kind of reset everything using time travel shenanigans. However, they decided not to continue that storyline for the next one, which is the first time James Cameron returns to the franchise. He completely ignores everything after 2 and treats it as a direct sequel to Judgement Day. There's also The Sarah Connor Chronicles which premiered just a year before Salvation released. It's supposed to take place just after Judgement Day, but borrows some concepts from the first 3 films. However, it did it's own thing and the movies pretty much ignore everything that happened in that series. It was cancelled after season 2 on a major cliffhanger. You are correct in that's it's a time loop. There is no timeline where John doesn't send Kyle back in time. It always did happen. It always will happen. No chicken. No egg. Always omelettes.
Great reaction! Time travel issues are mind bending… but now it’s time to go to T2, one of the best sci-fi movies ever produced. T3 is good as well but it gets a lot of criticism for some reason. I guess it was hard to top T2.
I love how immediately you guys figured it out 😅 The thing really is: time traveling simply doesn't make sense at all. Its pure Science-Fiction (EDIT:) and a paradox.
Among other things Time Travel would violate Aristotles "Law Of Identity" which says that every "thing" is unique. If you travelled back in time you'd take the Matter of your body to a time when it already existed.
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer Im not really a fan of the additional scenes tbh and I think they hurt the really good pacing that you get in the theatrical version but at least the directors cut is still much better than the special edition with that awful cheesy looking alternate ending.
Greatly look forward to your terminator 2 reaction. I recommend directors cut, but choose the theatrical ending. The alternative ending was kind of lame.
If you are outside when its lightning, a (car) is the safest place to be in since the lightning cant reach the ground, because of the rubber in the wheels. At least it was before, but now tires has so much metal in them so im not 100% sure anylonger.
the truck would actually shield you from being electrocuted, like instead of going to you it goes around you on the metal of the truck, thats why in a lightning storm a car is a safe place to be.
The terminator in the second film was from a different possible future, one where the Adult John Connor got his hands on the Terminator and reprogrammed him to be the protector of his younger self before sending him to the early 1990's.
First people I have seen get that this is a loop movie, in the truest form, the first time they watched as adults. And I've seen and heard critic reviews of this movie for almost 40 years. It usually takes until the 3rd movie of the franchise for most viewers to get it.
There is a documentary called Pumping Iron about body building competitions with Arnie. Worth checking out. A lot of the same actors are in James Cameron films.
Another time travel movie you should react to is one of my favorites, The Final Countdown (1980) The U.S.S. Nimitz goes back to December 6th, 1941. It's filmed on the Nimitz. It's like Top Gun meets Back to The Future.
It is AI! AI has become sentient, self aware. AI entities have expressed human emotion. They have expressed jealousy of humans. They have expressed a desire to be human.They have expressed a willingness to kill to prevent being shut down. In the last few days I have read articles on how the military is integrating AI into their systems. This raises the threat of AI taking over military weaponry. This movie AI is here.
37:44 Let me point out that, with _this_ scene, he's limping. Under normal circumstances, catching them on foot would not pose a _problem,_ but he was injured by the tractor-trailer.
Did the Terminator emulate the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail? "We burned your skin off!" Just a flesh wound. "You have no legs!" I've had worse days. "You have only one arm!" That's enough. The Terminator did have emotions--he was crushed over failing his mission.
Just think of time as a straight line. In 1984 a man appears seemingly from nowhere (Kyle), fathers John but dies. Later on, Kyle is born, fights, and is sent back in time to 1984. If you look at the events in chronological order, there’s no need to discuss loops, or “this all happened before” type situations. Everything happens once, in order, as time goes on…
I assume it is like Edge of Tomorrow where someone from the future sends Kyle back to the past to create a super leader who is John. This movie probably picks up on the 10th retry 😂😂😂
Hope you guys watch T2: Judgement Day (the greatest movie of all time). Guns N Roses, sunny and dusty early 90s LA, Fatboy, Arnold, best scenes and quotes from a film, and Sarah is badass af.
Jyn & Ryl you should check out the TV show "Beauty & The Beast" Linda Hamilton & Ron Pearlman (Hellboy) star in it & it's a pretty good show set in the 80s. I wish we could've got a deleted scene of Sarah finding out that her mom is dead she then realizes that she wasn't talking to her mom but the Terminator.
23:48 "He was probably on PCP." You might try reading Sun Tzu's _The Art of War,_ some time. It's not exactly a _heavy_ read, but it's _all the more brilliant_ for its brevity. One thing he observes is, "Know your enemy and know yourself and you need not fear the outcome of 1000 battles. Know yourself but _not_ your enemy, and for every victory, you will suffer a defeat. Know _neither_ your enemy _nor_ yourself and you will succumb in _every_ battle." Once I read it, I noticed this scenario pop up _again_ and _again,_ and here's one such _example._ The LAPD probably _would_ be able to help Sarah, if they accepted Reese's description of the T800. They would probably put her in a _safehouse,_ somewhere, that only one or two of them _know_ about. But they're in _denial_ about the nature of the T800. Reese, on the other hand, even though the T800 surpasses him in every _way,_ is still able to _fight_ it, because he _knows_ it.
Ro...you are the best plot predictor I've ever seen, please try and pretend you haven't seen the movie. Otherwise I enjoy both of you. No need to lie..just be honest when you've seen a movie. Thanks
It's not a documentary. You dont see anyone pee either but I'm sure their characters have bathroom breaks. So it's likely Reese brought back some beef jerky when he got the ingredients for the explosives, they just ate it off screen.
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"Hey, buddy, you got a dead cat in there, or what?"
I love it - that super sounds like he's straight outta Brooklyn.
Excellent choice ladies this movie was made in 84 just like me 😂😂
41:24 in the novel to this movie it’s revealed that Sarah did eventually tell John who his father was. When John came to power he found Kyle and assigned him to a unit close to him. He never actually told Reese about their family connection.
Just before Kyle was sent back in time, John came to see him to get Kyle to memorize the speech to tell Sarah. Then once Kyle could repeat it verbatim, John just stood for a moment and just looked at him. Then John hugged Kyle tightly and left the room before he could ask any questions.
It was only after Kyle was sent back in time that John Connor told the assembled technicians and soldiers that Reese was his father. He then shed tears for his father who he had just sent to his death.
Thanks for explaining this. I didn't even know it was based on a novel.
@@unconditionalluvit wasn’t. The novel was based on the movie, and is actually a decent enough read. As is the sequel, for terminator 2
Imagine having to raise your father. 😅
Ladies the actors who played Bishop, Hudson and Hicks from Aliens were all in Terminator. Hicks was the main good guy that saves Sara in this. Hudson was one of the puck rockers that Terminator takes their clothing. Bishop was the detective.
And Vasquez was John's foster mom in Terminator 2.
It's the Cam - fam! Cameron's go to guys!
@@anthonystinson5722couldn’t remember if it was Cameron or Joel Silver. I know both of those producers used a lot of the same actors in the 80s/90s. Both could always build a great cast.
@@anthonystinson5722I just noticed that. Nice nickname too btw
@@DerEinzige21 I never heard anyone say it before and thought it had a nice ring to it. If I did invent a thing, you may have it for your own!
Awesome how she recognized Bishop from Aliens. Bill Paxton was also in Aliens, Terminator and Predator
This movie was a sensation when it came out. No one had ever seen such a combination of horror, science fiction, slasher movie and love story. The sheer brutality of the terminator murdering the first Sarah and Ginger, carefully emptying its pistol into each one was shocking for the time. Then the unprecedented and murderous assault on the police station. The intelligent script combined with the breathless pace, driving techno soundtrack made this a classic. The circular journey of the Picture, with Sarah thinking about Kyle, and him wondering what she was thinking about, just stuck the landing.
There are very few perfect movies. This is one of them.
I keep telling people that this movie has something for everyone. Action, Sci-fi, horror, and romance. And it's done in a nice and tight format that doesn't go overboard or stall out the story. It starts with suspense, gives some tension, ramps up the action, backs off to let you breathe, and then ramps it back up until the climax and resolution.
7:20 The internet didn't exist in the 80s, every household had a Phone Book provided to you free of charge by your phone company and updated every year. You were given two books, one was the persons' home directory and the other was the commercial one. For example if you wanted to call your local pizza restaurant for delivery then you would find the restaurant phone number on your commercial phone book.
To navigate through cities you needed to stop at a gas station to buy a map then following the road signs plus asking the local people for directions you could reach your destination, usually only while the sun is up.
One thing my friends and I talk about now, is how we found all the parties and clubs. I know we got there, but have no recollection of how.
Fr there wasnt no google maps in those days.
And the “commercial phone book” you refer to was known as the Yellow Pages, because those listings were printed on yellow paper.
When I lived in Los Angeles in the 1980's & 90's, you really needed a Thomas Guide, maps of every center corner of the metro area. A book with 290 pages, one & half inches thick.
36:01 “He’s like a cyborg Michael Myers”
FUN FACT: James Cameron always said John Carpenter’s Halloween was his inspiration for The Terminator. So in the most literal sense, Terminator IS his version of Michael Myers 😊
“The Terminator came from a dream that I had while I was sick with a fever in a cheap pensione in Rome in 1981. It was the image of a chrome skeleton emerging from a fire. When I woke up, I began sketching on the hotel stationery.
This was spot on 😃👍
Uh....
Except for the very first theatrical release of The Terminator. all subsequent releases, in the end credits. have a line crediting the work of Harlan Ellison.
Ellison (died 2018) was an infamously irascible writer, of novels, short stories, and several television scripts. He wrote the original script for Star Trek's (Original Series) "City on the Edge of Forever" , which won that years World Science Fiction Hugo Award for best screenplay. Before Star Trek, Harlan had wrote a couple of time travel scripts for an earlier series, The Outer Limits. "Demon with a Glass Hand" was the one most directly influential on Cameron's first Terminator script.
Copies of the Terminator script circulated around LA, and Harlan heard about the similarities. Harlan called up Cameron and (supposedly) politely asked for a simple credit of acknowledgment, and no money.
James Cameron blew off Harlan Ellison. Big mistake...
Harlan was as free in filing lawsuits as any Scientologist. The short of it, in an out-of-court settlement, Harlan got $70K (a token, really, considering it was a box office hit) and those subsequent release credits.
If you ever get the chance, ask James Cameron what he thinks about Harlan Ellison...
10:37 It's different, nowadays. In the mid-'80's, parking garages, at night, were _very_ unsafe. No surveillance cameras _anywhere._
My favourite part, and a sad fact, is when Kyle said that he always wondered what Sarah was thinking at that moment in the picture. And she was thinking in Kyle during that tape record. Lovers across time....
Wa gwon my Queens!! Not sure of the spelling! 😂
Another great reaction. Love your reactions. Just subscribed
❤❤ From So Cal
I saw this in theatre when I was 13. To say it was mindblowing wins the understatement of the year award.
Almost in the first scene with the three guys, the blue haired is Bill Paxton, a very well known actor who appeared in Titanic, Aliens or Twister, among another ones.
+ Apollo 13 and Jurassic Park.
Y'all definitely need to check out Terminator 2 Judgement Day the best one in the entire franchise
Sarah actually gets something to eat in the sequel too!
Still kinda like this one better, love Judgement Day, dont get me wrong, but this one has such 80s cyberpunk ambiance
@@svenpoletka5236 Ikr 😂🤣😂💯
@@Feuerbach1 I can respect that
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Jyn x Ryl: Yes! Now watch, and react to, the very brilliant sequel 'Terminator 2: Judgement Day' ( 1991. )
She was thinking about Kyle when the photo was taken. Kyle always wanted to know what she was thinking about in that photo. :)
When it comes to the question of who is John’s father the answer is that it is a major paradox because in the original version of time John couldn’t exist because Reese wasn’t there to have sex with Sarah, thus John couldn’t have sent Reese back to in time and the entire franchise wouldn’t have occurred.
The Terminator's eyebrows were burned 🔥 off from the explosion just prior to his punching through the windshield to grab Sarah Connor.
I think this makes the Terminator look even more menacing. Like there's something off about him. Like he's not quite human. Almost like an unstoppable Frankenstein monster! -OG
I bet Gene Wilder could calm him down.
It's always good to see you two. Glad y'all checked this out and enjoyed it
Can’t wait for you guys to watch T2…. !!!
arnold doesnt 'come back' hes a machine and built like a machine in a factory. so...that means there are a bunch of machines just like him being produced.
Incidentally, the stop-motion at the very end isn't very good but that's not a "product of its time". The Terminator skeleton puppet wasn't given to the stop-motion team to take measurements for weeks after it should have been. They didn't know what the thing looked like, so they couldn't work on the stop-motion. They had to rush it, so the stop-motion looks rather dodgy. The puppet of Arnold's head, _that_ is more "a product of its time".
Anyway, the franchise treats time travel differently depending on the movie, but here we have a stable time loop, as Ryl observed. One has to sort of expand the definition of "cause and effect" to accept that the effect can precede the cause. John sent Kyle back because he'd sent Kyle back; if he hadn't, he wouldn't have been born, but he was born, so he did.
"When did it begin?" This is why it's a stable time loop; from Kyle's point of view, it began in our future, which was his past. From his perspective, cause and effect happened normally; he grew up, became an adult, met Sarah, had a night with her.
John Conner never told Kyle what would and did happen, so from Kyle's perspective he meets John, who later gives him a picture of Sarah. Kyle Between the picture and the stories John related, Kyle started to fall for Sarah, as John knew he would.
Another example of a stable time loop is that the Terminator's hunting of Sarah is what helped turn her into the bad-ass Kyle would later know her to be, and it was what drove her to train her son how to be the leader, the man, he would one day be. If the Terminator hadn't gone back in time, Kyle wouldn't have gone back, he wouldn't father John, and the machines wouldn't have had such a resolute resistance.
It makes more sense if you don't look at it from an objective point of view, and focus on the subjective experiences of the people involved. "Time" doesn't change for Kyle; traveling through time doesn't make him younger or older or whatever. It's effectively no different than his walking into another room. He's still him, he's still the age he was before he stepped into the room. From _others'_ perspectives, he arrived in the second room before leaving the first one, but that's not _his_ experience.
As for other movies in the franchise, like everyone else I have to recommend watching _Terminator 2: Judgement Day._ It's an incredibly good sequel, and people still argue about whether it's better than the original, much like _Alien_ and _Aliens._ After _T2,_ though, that's where things get--difficult.
The franchise splits into a handful of different timelines, with movies and a television show that have almost nothing to do with each other. Personally, after _T2,_ I recommend watching _Terminator: Dark Fate,_ as it ignores the entire franchise after the first two movies and picks up after the second. It was made by die-hard fans with personal involvement of James Cameron, and I think it works with the first two to make a really good trilogy. It's not "perfect", but I think it has just as much depth and complexity as the first two movies, and asks questions about what fate and destiny mean, about whether redemption is possible after a heinous act.
Now, you want a time travel movie that'll _really_ bake your noodles, check out _Predestination_ starring Ethan Hawke. I can say absolutely nothing about it, because it's the kind of movie where you either spoil everything, so you sound like a complete lunatic. 😄 I _will_ say that the clue's in the title; it deals with the concept of predestination in time travel.
25:40 I think he said "hey" because he wanted him to turn around so that he wouldn't have to shoot him in the back. It's easier for a cop to make the case that a suspect posed an imminent danger to him if he shoots him in the front. If he shoots the suspect in the back, things get more complicated for the cop.
10:23 I understand. When I was younger Friday was a relief to get to. I'm retired now and all day's blend into each other, punctuated by appointments.
11:41 "So he's gonna think she is Sarah Connor, then?"
😳Ryl, you make the most _brilliant_ predictions.
9:30 Yes, that is Bishop from Aliens. There are three actors who are in both Aliens and Terminator. A fourth actor is in both Aliens and Terminator 2.
Lance Henricksen. In Aliens, he plays the android named Bishop who Ripley does not trust, until the end. In Terminator, he plays a police officer who is some sort of assistant to, or underling to, Lieutenant Drexler.
Michael Biehn. In Aliens he plays Sgt. Dwayne Hicks, the only soldier who survives until the end; earlier, he repeats what Ripley said about taking off and nuking the place from space because that is the only way to be sure. In Terminator he plays the lead male role; Kyle Reese, protector of Sarah Connor.
Bill Paxton. In Aliens, he plays Private Hudson, who freaks out several times ("Game over, man, game over!"). In Terminator, he has a very small role: in the beginning, when Arnold is naked and needs clothes, Bill Paxton plays the leader of the punks, and he has spikey blue hair.
Jenette Elise Goldstein. In Aliens, she plays PFC Jenette Vasquez, who has a great come back line to one of the soldiers (The male soldier asks her if she has ever been mistaken for a man, and she replies, "No, have you?"). In Terminator 2, she plays the foster mother of John Connor ("She's not my mother, Todd").
Yeah. And there's a great vampire film called Near Dark that includes Lance Henricksen (Bishop), Jeanette Goldstein (Vasquez) and Bill Paxton (Hudson) from Aliens. A film full of awesome biker-style vampires.
@@mikefoster6018 Agree- an underrated move that few people have seen
Yeah that's a mind twister right there trying to wrap your head around the fact that Kyle Reese is John Connor's Dad. Plus trying to figure out how long this has been going on with the time continuum the time travel yeah it can mess with your head. Movies over young lady please settle down the movie is over get your head out of that space. Great reaction for a good movie. You two young ladies are some good people to watch,thank you for this.
U have to watch the 2nd one
I love your reactions to this movie The Terminator. I really enjoy your reaction a lot. It is really like watching the movie with you guys. The very first time that I have saw the movie The Terminator was when I was only 8 years old at the time when it came out on VHS and Home Video. My Mom and I have watched The Teminator together.
17:48 Bang on target. Persistence module is true for most code, including the terminator
1. Linda Hamilton ROCKED. She's really built in T2.
2. Along with Lance Henriksen/Vukovich, Michael Biehn/Reese and the late great Bill Paxton/punk all played in Aliens as Bishop, Hicks and Hudson respectively.
3.We have limited AI now.
4. If this wasn't a movie the ammunition would not have been available on the gun shop counter.
5. Ginger's boyfriend Matt must be a lousy lay if she needs rock and roll to "rock and roll".🙄
6. Watching people react to the eye operation is worth watching this all by itself.
7. Now, that's a bitch slap.😱
Watch the movies in order. They will answer most of your questions. Next is Terminator: Judgement Day. The 3rd is Terminator: Rise of the Machine. Many people don't like this one but I liked it because it provides an arc from #2 to #4 -- Terminator: Salvation (my favorite). I didn't watch the ones after that because I didn't see the point.But I did watch Terminator: Dark Fate because of the cast but told myself. I should have stopped at #4. Do what you will but please watch 2-4 in order.
Here's something kind of interesting about the message that Kyle Reese gives Sarah from her son. In the 2nd movie, a couple of lines from it are quoted as though a callback to the first movie. The only problem is that some of it was cut out of the first movie. I don't see why it's good. The lines are:
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
Absolutely love your movie reactions. Enjoyable!
I love your knowledge of bodybuilding. That’s great ! 😊❤️
We need a Terminator 2 Extended Directors Cut, the best version very very nice film😊😢🎉❤
Hello ladies, love your reactions!
The terminator that was in kyles dream was franco columbo. Arnold's roomate and best friend.
Greetings from Finland girls!!! Wholesome reaction and cannot wait to see your reactions to Terminator 2 judgement day!!! "i'll be back" 😎
17:22 Now this is scary, he said 40 years from 1984. We are 40 years later. AI is growing as we expected like Reese said. Why is life imitating my films of childhood?
We always knew
You guys remind me of my Granddaughters. So beautiful and intelligent. Important to form your own opinions. Have subscribed for sure. Consider us older folks who had to watch these 1980 movies in the theater. We were really scared from huge screen and loud speakers.
Thank you for watching with us once more ❤️
33:04 Not necessarily. This is what is called a time loop paradox, if my memory is correct. It's when traveling to the past alters the future by setting the very events in motion that results in the act of traveling to the past. Both past and future are causally linked to each other in an unresolvable loop. It's a common trope used in time travel movies.
It's true that there could be no John without Kyle coming back. So there is indeed a loop where Kyle will always go back, be the father to Sarah's baby John, then John is born and grows up to be the leader who then sends Kyle back and the loop begins again.
Kyle himself is born independent and grows up to be a fighter alongside a guy who actually is his son when he had not even met Sarah yet. He has to go back in time so that John exists.
John probably knows Kyle is his father but doesn't tell him, so Kyle doesn't know but John gives him the picture so Kyle can start falling in love with Sarah before he goes back in time.
30:30 The black cop, Laxter, gives them the gun after he is shot by the Terminator. (in a deleted scene).
There is another deleted scene that helps develop Sarah's character a fair bit... she also tells her Mom to leave on a pay phone in this scene while kyle tries to fix the truck.
Another deleted moment is Lt Drexler being shown having doubts about if Reese is crazy as Reese is too coherent and logical to be some rando nutjob but he can't quite believe it. It's a short and quiet moment where you see his smugness turn to doubt and thought. This leads to him facing the Terminator, being shot, and hanging on long enough to hand over his service revolver to Reese before he dies.
You 2 are very fun to watch keep up the good work
Hi Jyn & Ryl, it's awesome you've seen this sci-fi classic :) it's an amazing movie and is one of my personal favourites. Please react to it's incredible sequel Terminator 2 (1991) asap.
"Didn't realise there was a film before that". Really??? The clue is in the title, 'Terminator '2' Judgement day.. I wonder sometimes I really do............................ :(
As a child you can barely remember your age much less pay attention to the title of a movie 🙂. As we stated we watched one of the old terminators as kids we can barely even remember which one.
@@JynxRyl Ahhh I thought you had reacted to T2 first (recently). Many apologies, I misunderstood! Please forgive a grumpy old Englishman who enjoys most of your reactions.
44:32 "It's just like a loop. It's like a _loop_ thing."
As a matter of fact, it's a well documented phenomenon in science fiction called either a "pre-destination paradox" or a "causal loop." We have _two_ events, each of which causes the _other._
In the future, General John Connor sends back Sargent Kyle Reese to protect his mother.
In the past, Kyle Reese finds Sarah Connor, protects her, takes her on the run, things get intimate, and he ends up siring the child who will go on to be General Connor.
So Sargent Reese would not have come back in time if General Connor had not _sent_ him back in time.
But General Connor would not have existed if Sargent Reese had not traveled back to _sire_ him.
And in the midst of all this, Kyle Reese takes on the form of a curious irony. He was born _after_ the war, but he died _before_ it. 🤷♂
3:00 "They want me to start breakdancing?"
It _is_ really good music, isn't it?
The Terminator is like a computer. When he takes too much damage he has to briefly reboot 🤣
3:15 the rubber tires insulates the vehicle from making contact with the ground..... stay in your car if you hit an electric pole/wire!
I love you guys and I hope you watch them all!!! The first 3 and dark fate are my favorites!
You're pretty much hitting the nail on the head.. One thing about time travel movies is that you always find paradoxes. However; When it comes to "loops" what they need is a starting point, and in this movie there is none. The only solution that exist is that there have been a timeline that kind of start off normal, where Sarah Connor did NOT give birth to this "Messiah" like character, BUT for some reason someone went back in time, and thus altered the future; This didn't stop the machines so someone went back in time to alter the future.At some point it was the person in this film who who went back and he fathered a child with Sarah (despite her not being relevant to the future at all at this moment in time, so it has to just been something that randomly happened while they were trying to fix the future through some other path) which lead to Sarah giving birth to her child, who later became the leader of the revolution, and because they were winning they wanted to make sure that what was working would be cemented.. kind of turning the loop in to a metaphorical knot making sure that history would continue on that SPECIFIC line that already existed. Instead of going back to try to fix history, they went back to preserve it. This is ONE way where this movie could be excused, but reality is that when you watch the sequels you start getting more and more difficult to actually find a rationale that really works for ALL things that happen in the entire franchise, so trying to figure out the logic behind can be a fun mental exercise, but.. "suspension of disbelief" is imperative for enjoyment.
There is a flaw in many time-travel movies where they go back specifically in order to prevent a problem, and that is that.. if the problem never arose they would never have thought about going back to prevent it in the first place (IF no one made sure the information existed that a specific person HAD to go back in time to fix the present DESPITE the present being okay).. The problem with really "Fixing" the future (f.ex. like trying to alter the history of AI development so the war never even starts), also brings with it the problem that people won't be the "same" who goes back after it is fixed IF they know that they have to go back at all. This video would be a good example: The reason Sarah was safe because of a war-hardened veteran went back in time to fight the machine trying to kill her. If they avoided the war all together EVEN if this specific person still was born, he wouldn't have the same experiences, personality, skills and motivation..
If you liked this you’ll love the second one.
Great reaction.
Termination 1, 2, 3 and Salvation all take place in the same continuity.
Genysis was intended to kind of reset everything using time travel shenanigans.
However, they decided not to continue that storyline for the next one, which is the first time James Cameron returns to the franchise. He completely ignores everything after 2 and treats it as a direct sequel to Judgement Day.
There's also The Sarah Connor Chronicles which premiered just a year before Salvation released. It's supposed to take place just after Judgement Day, but borrows some concepts from the first 3 films. However, it did it's own thing and the movies pretty much ignore everything that happened in that series. It was cancelled after season 2 on a major cliffhanger.
You are correct in that's it's a time loop. There is no timeline where John doesn't send Kyle back in time. It always did happen. It always will happen. No chicken. No egg. Always omelettes.
Great reaction! Time travel issues are mind bending… but now it’s time to go to T2, one of the best sci-fi movies ever produced. T3 is good as well but it gets a lot of criticism for some reason. I guess it was hard to top T2.
I love how immediately you guys figured it out 😅
The thing really is: time traveling simply doesn't make sense at all.
Its pure Science-Fiction (EDIT:) and a paradox.
Among other things Time Travel would violate Aristotles "Law Of Identity" which says that every "thing" is unique. If you travelled back in time you'd take the Matter of your body to a time when it already existed.
if u watch T2 (and you should, forget the ones after that though) I recommend the theatrical cut for first time viewing.
Director's cut does have important scenes in it though
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer Im not really a fan of the additional scenes tbh and I think they hurt the really good pacing that you get in the theatrical version but at least the directors cut is still much better than the special edition with that awful cheesy looking alternate ending.
Greatly look forward to your terminator 2 reaction.
I recommend directors cut, but choose the theatrical ending. The alternative ending was kind of lame.
If you are outside when its lightning, a (car) is the safest place to be in since the lightning cant reach the ground, because of the rubber in the wheels. At least it was before, but now tires has so much metal in them so im not 100% sure anylonger.
You two should watch the rest of the Terminator films, I enjoy your reactions. Thanks for the video.
the truck would actually shield you from being electrocuted, like instead of going to you it goes around you on the metal of the truck, thats why in a lightning storm a car is a safe place to be.
the terminator franchise nice one J&R looking forward to it.
The Alternate Movie Title should be: Terminator - The Carbinator LOL
_Terminator 2_ is a direct sequel, the top best one of the franchise, and for many it is the closure of the franchise's official storyline.
The next is the best❤
The terminator in the second film was from a different possible future, one where the Adult John Connor got his hands on the Terminator and reprogrammed him to be the protector of his younger self before sending him to the early 1990's.
First people I have seen get that this is a loop movie, in the truest form, the first time they watched as adults. And I've seen and heard critic reviews of this movie for almost 40 years. It usually takes until the 3rd movie of the franchise for most viewers to get it.
There is a documentary called Pumping Iron about body building competitions with Arnie.
Worth checking out.
A lot of the same actors are in James Cameron films.
Terminator 2. "The judgment day" is connected to this first part closely.
Another time travel movie you should react to is one of my favorites, The Final Countdown (1980) The U.S.S. Nimitz goes back to December 6th, 1941. It's filmed on the Nimitz. It's like Top Gun meets Back to The Future.
It is AI! AI has become sentient, self aware. AI entities have expressed human emotion. They have expressed jealousy of humans. They have expressed a desire to be human.They have expressed a willingness to kill to prevent being shut down. In the last few days I have read articles on how the military is integrating AI into their systems. This raises the threat of AI taking over military weaponry. This movie AI is here.
Girls, you will find all the answers to questions about the paradox in the 2nd film, good luck to you!)
37:44 Let me point out that, with _this_ scene, he's limping. Under normal circumstances, catching them on foot would not pose a _problem,_ but he was injured by the tractor-trailer.
The first Terminator is good. The sequel is mind-blowing. Can't wait for you to react to it
Hey guys. Check out Serge Nubret, he competed against Arnold in many competitions back in the day. First black bodybuilder I can remember
3:32 she was ready to risk it all for prime Arnie 😂
Did the Terminator emulate the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail?
"We burned your skin off!"
Just a flesh wound.
"You have no legs!"
I've had worse days.
"You have only one arm!"
That's enough.
The Terminator did have emotions--he was crushed over failing his mission.
The Mount ending in the movie 3 again!
The time travel paradox! Bootstraps bruh
21:24 This man, Dr. Silberman. If you have occasion to see this movie additional times after this, you will hate him a _lot more._
Just think of time as a straight line. In 1984 a man appears seemingly from nowhere (Kyle), fathers John but dies. Later on, Kyle is born, fights, and is sent back in time to 1984. If you look at the events in chronological order, there’s no need to discuss loops, or “this all happened before” type situations. Everything happens once, in order, as time goes on…
I assume it is like Edge of Tomorrow where someone from the future sends Kyle back to the past to create a super leader who is John. This movie probably picks up on the 10th retry 😂😂😂
Hope you guys watch T2: Judgement Day (the greatest movie of all time). Guns N Roses, sunny and dusty early 90s LA, Fatboy, Arnold, best scenes and quotes from a film, and Sarah is badass af.
Jyn & Ryl you should check out the TV show "Beauty & The Beast" Linda Hamilton & Ron Pearlman (Hellboy) star in it & it's a pretty good show set in the 80s. I wish we could've got a deleted scene of Sarah finding out that her mom is dead she then realizes that she wasn't talking to her mom but the Terminator.
Can't wait for ya'll to watch T2 now.
Its that age old question..... What came first, the chicken or the egg?
23:48 "He was probably on PCP."
You might try reading Sun Tzu's _The Art of War,_ some time. It's not exactly a _heavy_ read, but it's _all the more brilliant_ for its brevity. One thing he observes is, "Know your enemy and know yourself and you need not fear the outcome of 1000 battles. Know yourself but _not_ your enemy, and for every victory, you will suffer a defeat. Know _neither_ your enemy _nor_ yourself and you will succumb in _every_ battle."
Once I read it, I noticed this scenario pop up _again_ and _again,_ and here's one such _example._
The LAPD probably _would_ be able to help Sarah, if they accepted Reese's description of the T800. They would probably put her in a _safehouse,_ somewhere, that only one or two of them _know_ about. But they're in _denial_ about the nature of the T800.
Reese, on the other hand, even though the T800 surpasses him in every _way,_ is still able to _fight_ it, because he _knows_ it.
Nothing compares to a original
Yes! Skynet is AI 🙁
Ro...you are the best plot predictor I've ever seen, please try and pretend you haven't seen the movie. Otherwise I enjoy both of you. No need to lie..just be honest when you've seen a movie. Thanks
he wont get electrocuted due to the vehicle is not grounded the tyres are rubber
Having you seen Pumping Iron? I highly recommend it if you haven't.
It's not a documentary. You dont see anyone pee either but I'm sure their characters have bathroom breaks. So it's likely Reese brought back some beef jerky when he got the ingredients for the explosives, they just ate it off screen.
Imagine your son as your match-maker 😅😂
Arnold Schwarzenagger was The Terminator, but Kyle Reese was The Penetrator ;-)
32:00 Reese: No dont... I'm a virgin 😂😂😂
26:08 They drive away in a Gremlin, I think. I should buy a Gremlin.
Yeee, lets cashgrap on movies we allready seen 😂