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Clip from the Friday, February 14th 2014 edition of The Kyle Kulinski Show, which airs live on Blog Talk Radio and Secular Talk Radio monday - friday 4-6pm Eastern.
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"If the Bible says 2+2=5 then I wouldn't question it."
Christianity in a nutshell.
Fucking scary shit, man.
Send that guy back to freaking kindergarten!
lola bigcups "so Sad"
Most Christians don't believe that.
That was actually scary!
"My wife died of cancer, and now my new wife has cancer. Also I have cancer."
You know, for someone with supposedly infinite love, God sure does have a funny way of showing it.
God is a shit eater!
Helpful Hazz He just needs to use formaldehyde-free paints for home renovations.
I am sorry
Helpful Hazz
I am so sorry.
Imagine writing a story or a movie script or devising any piece of art. Some characters would have to be terrible people or go through terrible things or the story would have no meaning. "You can't cherry pick the bible". Yes actually you can and should cherry pick the bible. Especially if you're going to go cherry picking regardless in some other place. Evolve your religion with you based on your needs and desires; there's plenty of ways to conceptualize God that will mesh with your current understanding. The stereotypical version of religion; what's actually in the book and what you can interpret for yourself with 21 century knowledge are 3 different things; 2000 years of philosophy from some of the greatest philosophers to ever exist isn't worthless simply because our society seems to have focused on other avenues. In a similar vein to body; cells; DNA our understanding or capabilities to communicate with some 'divine' being may be in some in between stage. Perhaps the meaning becomes more obvious given certain circumstances; although quite a bit can be pulled from both testaments in relation to many aspects of life and structure. Nomenclature; repeating myths/legends; similar/overlapping symbols; speech. It also has a good way of attracting people with a grandiose view of themselves; which lends an easy way to spot them out or identify them. The quiet kid gone school shooter is almost the same sort of story or imaginings as Jesus; these individuals are however, unable to save anyone and thus often resort to violent actions to fulfill their fantasy.
"I would love to encourage mr. Darwin" lmfao better ask jesus for a time machine
Darwin was Christian and got less and less religious as he got older. He couldn't accept the churches god due to the realities of nature that he felt was cruel for a loving god.
@@deathpenguin005
I feel like there's some cross road people like us(x-christians) and creationists come to.
Before I became an atheist I realized either all of the bible was a lie or all of science was a lie because of all the inconsistencies between a literal interpretation of the bible and what science says.
After a deep critical dive into both biblical history and the natural sciences I just couldn't trust any part of that book.
I wish they would too turn to evidence and reason and not just blind faith but they've made their choice and it deeply saddens me.
"I would encourage Mr. Darwin to try God." WHAT is he a drug?
@@lividsphincter4098 GOD = EVIL virus of cancer that DESTROYS the healthy mind of the soul and reason. Too bad we protect these unhealthy dangerous delusional mindset of the religious. What else haven't they poisoned or infected with their ZOMBIE LIKE club?? You get bitten by a creationest you become one if they get to you. Y do we respect these vary harmful stupid delusional people for endlessly inslave knowledge and reason?? What a insane insanity of a insult to a intelligent society or waste of life. GOD cannot be the most effective greatest gold medal evil belief ever created by our imagination. Too bad they fall for it AND IS ACTUALLY WRONG about their GOD being the creator or real and are wasting the only life they truly get by a fantasy heaven afterlife THAT might NOT exist at this second.
@@Kugelblitz4275 the dead man would then have to go to God Rehab.
talking to God is called prayer... but when God talks back; that is schizophrenia
agreed.
There have been a few schizophrenics who have convinced large groups of people that God really was talking to them... Jesus, Muhammad, Joan of Arc.
😄😄😄right
lmao
When I have a conversation with darwin
Ken Ham actually said dinosaurs were vegetarians? Yea, those huge, sharp teeth and claws were perfect for chasing down fruits and plants.
+slumberzzzz -- As I understand it, when cornered, fruits and plants will defend their territory, with stem and leaf, especially to protect the young. Always go prepared with at least gloves and clippers. Good luck.
yeah i was surprised kyle didnt address that one especially since it was ken ham saying it.
Ken Ham is one of the most unapologetically dumb creationists out there.
Japanese fighting trees, those are my favorite trees there wood is battle hardened
Some of the largest dinosaurs were vegetarians. Elephants, the largest land animals are vegetarians.
So your first wife dies of cancer and you remarry? That is gonna make things real awkward up in heaven.
Isn't remarrying under any circumstances considered adultery and punishable by death?
Do they believe in their book or not
+Cavecat No, not at all. YOU need to read YOUR BIBLE! Abraham had 3 wives. Many other bible stars had more than one wife .. However ... If you are like me and like to read through a document completely .. you will notice God has set some limits as on to how many you may have. Instructions on how to deal with second and third wife etc ... are available to all who have a Bible with the Old Testament. Christian scholars have long debated what the number is that is acceptable to God. Most of our heros from Our First Testament had on average 4 wives. Since Abraham . the guy that God first decided he wanted to chat with ever had 3 ... It is considered the best amount of wives.
Acceptable amount as set in stone by Our Bible is: .. God suggests more than one BUT not more than four unless you are rich and can take care of them according to the rules he sets forth in a previous chapter in his book. ....... So it is written .. so shall it be done!!!!!
Cavecat ... Nowhere in our beloved Bible does it say you have to marry them at any schedule ...
So ... Hope I could help .. i have to run now ... Got my cross necklace on and my copy of the Bible .. I'm behind ... Still looking for wife #2 .... Bye .....
Gog Mclaine Abraham had 3 wives .. Issac about the same. The bible has instructions on how to treat the other wives ...
+ETericET So what you are saying is 'traditional' marriage as practiced is wrong? so same sex marriage infact could not destroy something that is wrong already? on a side note the bible also says a man should only have one wife, like everything else in it it contradicts itself :d
+officerduh321 Actually it's divorce and remarrying that is prohibited in the New Testament. A widow or widower remarrying is permissible.
"I was taught that the bible was true, therefore, anything that conflicts with it is false." So you believe the first thing you were told, and then close your mind off to anything beyond that.
well what if the bible and god is false
also I used to be a Christian like you but I converted
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Holy Trinity made a terrible mistake & made me buy a bible. There's no way in hell I'm not going to read a book I paid an outrageous price for. It threw my belief in god under the bus & laughed like hell. I just love it when some idiotic christian tells me I should read the bible.
I read it regularly, to try to find things I missed at 7. Like god lied 82 times. I guess they're good lies. Like, "I will love those who love me for 1000 generations & will hate those who hate me for 3 or 4 generations," I guess, he's going to toss a coin. So, if your grandfather loved him, you better hope your father loved him also, or you're going on the naughty list.
so does that mean she has never questioned something?
omg...
We tried god and we did transform ourselves: we became atheists.
😎👍🍺
That weird woman who thinks Mr. Darwin should "try God" should consider that most of us atheists were Christians first, but we just gave up on it. Her insinuation that I have never been exposed to Jesus is laughable. And Darwin was Christian.
Darwin also is dead. she seemed completely unaware of that PAINFULLY OBVIOUS fact. LMAO.
+Cat Austin I was hoping I wasn't the only one who realized that little bit of the video
Complete and utter stupidity at its finest
+Jack Gamboa I was indoctrinated and beat, to be forced to believe that the bible is written by god. That is a LIE!! Anybody can research and see that the bible is a collection of oral history mixed with myths from earlier writings. It plagiarizes other works, and does it poorly. If you want to believe in talking snakes and 900 year old people, fine, but if I ever catch anyone telling that bullshit to my kids...somebody will go to jail, and it'll probably be me.
+carl fisher like Jim Jeffries says "during surmons they never say that noah died at 900, cause we might think it's bullshit " XD
0:36 she is the one who sounds crazy
2:40 Pretty sure this woman thinks Darwin is still alive.
Lance Tschirhart I noticed that hahah. I imagine the creationists are applauding her ignorance as it seems their plan of keeping their flock ignorant is working perfectly.
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Wait does that woman think Darwin is alive?
yap
+DiDi Morga Well she believes the Earth is only 6000 years old...... So i think her believing Darwin is still alive is the least of her problems!! haha but I caught on to that too. "I say try god" like its some kind of drug, its like she is peddling some new drug on the street, Just try god, its amazing!! It gets you so high, like heaven high haha Anyways these people are absolutely confused, and idiotic. I cant believe they can make it through a day, Special Needs patients!!!
+DiDi Morga Not only alive but not Christian! He disagreed with young earth creationism but never renounced Christianity.
+pd4165 I was just thinking that!
+DiDi Morga She has either fried her brain, or she is so staggeringly stupid, she never bothered to learn who Darwin was and anything about his theory. All she did was parrot what she was told and made assumptions based off that.
"God made us in his image" - so God has a double chin? LOL
lol
Yes, Gaben does.
In His image doesn't mean exactly alike it means we resemble God.
Eric Lang It was a joke. Yahweh must have a really imperfect body if we resemble him.
CerberaOdollam If God made us in his image we'd all be hateful, undiplomatic pieces of shit.
1:16 "God made man in his image." Guess that explains why there are so many rapists, psychopaths, murders, etc.
+Jim C listeb are you an atheist?
There is also a saying that man created god on his own immage. That is why pople immagine a god looking like a man.
+Jim C
Well yeah, have you read the Bible? God kills _fucking everybody_.
+Master Markus I rather ask you have you red the Bible? If you red the Bible systematically, not cherry picking, then you must know that: In Genesis 1,3 we read that 'god' created light on the second day of creation. In 1,14 we read that he created the sun on the fourth day of creation. It is totally wrong. Then also in Genesis 1 we read that 'god' created 1. Plants, 2. animals, 3. man But in Genesis 2. we read that he created 1. man, 2. plants, 3. animals. So, what is right, what wrong. Then also in Genesis 1,27 we read that god created man and woman together, but in 2,23 we read that he created man alone and later the woman So, which is? These exampled are in the beginning of the Bible. So is throughout the Bible
Silvio Novaković
I have read it chronologically, but you have to get past the creation story, obviously. I think his first big genocide is flooding the Earth?
Did she just ask Darwin try Christianity? OMG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+cora bishop Clearly, she's unaware that a) Darwin has been dead for awhile, and b) prior to becoming a naturalist, he studied for the clergy. Darwin probably knew far more about the Bible than any of those fundies.
Thank you.I did not know that.
cora bishop Darwin's bio is really quite fascinating:
www.aboutdarwin.com/timeline/time_03.html
He seems to be the very definition of a late bloomer. I doubt that anyone could have imagined that he, a medical school drop-out, was destined to change the world, but there you go.
new meme: clueless conservative curmudgeon
that mr. galileo should put down the fancy tele-o-scope and watch some 700 club on the television.
that dang gregor mendel should stop messin with them pea plants and get back to his monastery.
that einstein feller oughta give up special relativity and get a special relationship with jesus.
that young newton boy oughta stop writin that crazy "principia" business and read rush's new book.
i told 'em i'll start listenin' to them scientists when Mrs. Armstrong's little boy walks on the freakin' moon!!!
new meme: clueless conservative curmudgeon
that mr. galileo should put down the fancy tele-o-scope and watch some 700 club on the television.
that dang gregor mendel should stop messin with them pea plants and get back to his monastery.
that einstein feller oughta give up special relativity and get a special relationship with jesus.
that young newton boy oughta stop writin that crazy "principia" business and read rush's new book.
i told 'em i'll start listenin' to them scientists when Mrs. Armstrong's little boy walks on the freakin' moon!!!
Meet Donald Trump's future Department of Education.
McLovin 3533 PLEASE don’t give that toxic orange turd blossom and his demented minions any ideas!!!
But you’re right...
Yep Betsey devos
In 2020 I fear he may actually try that, considering the world health org is too much for him
So animals didnt start eating each other until after sin? funny how the ones that turned out to be carnivores just happened to have sharp teeth and digestive systems suited for meat eating
+azsxdcfvgbhnjmhn It's even stranger that God would give Adam and Eve immune systems to combat disease organisms that were harmless before they ate the fruit. Why would he create such potentially dangerous things if he never wanted them to harm anyone?
+azsxdcfvgbhnjmhn
With God all things are possible, ha bloody ha !
@@wizardsuth adams first wife is Lilith
sounds like they are saying that vegans are the only ones free of sin
azsxdcfvgbhnjmhn
Then getting on the ark , made them vegetarians.
Oh wait , what did they eat when they got off the boat ?
All vegetation must’ve been dead and new vegetation would have taken a long time to regrow .
This is kind of scary to watch...........
Countdown The conditioning is very strong in this country
stupidity is scary
"sometimes i think that our culture has an over reliance upon science..." that right there is where i stopped to be honest I agree with you it is a bit un-nerving in a way...
Haha 😂😂
I'm loosing brain cells cause of this
+Finn , It's "losing", it's already working!
+Countdown the error was part of the joke and this is not working
Same top comment same
If dinosaurs and humans ever lived together, I'm pretty sure that we would be the ones that went extinct.
to be fair, mammals during that time were probably smaller than humans.
+Leonardo Cisija yeah,my that's probably the reason we made it. If we were small and fast, we could escape and crawl under objects impassable to giant predators
+Poodlekisses Remember there were smaller dinosaurs which would have hunted mammals.
+Terry Shulky yeah, but the problem with smaller dinosaurs is that if they were small and couldn't regulate their body heat they would die out as the earth was gradually cooling. And not all dinosaurs were carnivorous; some were insectivores and omnivores, if not complete herbivores. Those that adapted would become the ancestors of animals we have today.
+Poodlekisses The research over the last few years, with the discovery that theropods had feathers, indicates that they probably were warm-blooded. Theropods of all sizes seem to have been carnivorous, from T Rex. downwards. The smaller ones would have been able to feast on mammals. Do you think the KT event didn't happen? There was massive volcanism when the dinosaurs bowed out - ever heard of the Deccan Traps? There is a massive crater off the coast of the Yucatan circa 65 million years old. All over the world at what used to be called the K-T boundary there is a thin layer of mud with large amounts of Iridium. The Earth was gradually cooling?
Birds are the only surviving branch of the dinosaurs, btw.
"I never took a college level science class therefore the bible it true"
*School level , remember 2+2=5
They probably dropped out of high school because they failed biology, chemistry, and physics
You mean middle school science
I did try god, it didn't agree with me
pretty much
yeah I'm with you
Did you get Deityarrhea?
no but I was always very cross
Yep!!!
The Bible says pi=3, I guess that guy believes that. He'll never be able to calculate the circumference of a circle.
I'm referring to the first Creationist
TheRedTailShark If I member correctly that passage (in kings?) never says that the bowl or whatever it was was a perfect circle
And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.
Sounds to me like "round all about" describes a perfect circle.
Where does it say that in the Bible?
Zackary Johnston It gives the measurements of Solomon Temple. If you do the math you get pi=3, which is wrong. Pi=3.14..... Basically 22/7
I find it particularly ironic how the gentleman who looks remarkably like an elephant explains to us how he cannot fathom how we can be compared to animals.
2:38 Erm... Sweetheart... Mr. Darwin has been dead for quite a long time now...
+nordy2010
Darwin is with Jesus discussing evolution.
god was created in mans image
This... This hurts. I cannot fathom such stupidity. I would rather kill myself then be that stupid and apparently willingly ignorant. Wallowing in idiocy most be like sinking ever lower in a light-less abyss.
"I was raised in the belief the Bible is right, obviously, everything against it must be wrong." Whoever says that should question life choices, I mean, replace Bible with _anything_ else and it will be even more obviously.
I used to believe in God....but then I turned eight! EIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dogma Disputant I wish i could have managed that. i envy you. You beat me by twenty years.
Xyander Better late than never. As an eight year old, I could clearly see that Santa and god were just pretend. Santa had the same handwriting as my mother and god had the same behavior as my baby sister. She always threw tantrums and wanted constant attention. I knew that a real god wouldn't act like a four year old girl. It was obvious to me that during the week I was being taught facts in school, but on Sunday mornings and evenings I was being taught assertions, presumptions, absurd supernatural claims, prejudices, personal opinions and beliefs about things, that for the most part, I had understood to be blatant lies. I was taught that lying was wrong and yet I was consistently lied to by adults. I was told that what I was being taught by the Church were not lies, but was what they called "a matter of faith"; and faith was very important. I was not fooled by this religious spin... this revered dishonesty troubled me greatly. Faith is pretending to know things that you don't and lying about it.
Dogma Disputant We are in the same boat. I was up front of the church when they were all praying for the kids and the guy pushed me for some odd reason and I was thinking 'if the holy spirit which is more powerful than this dude, why does it need a hand on my head and for him to push me?" Not to mention that I just couldnt understand how 2 of everything got on a boat or how 1 man built it with his family with no modern technology and I just had to accept it as "God helped him" though it took god a damn month to write down the 10 commandments which isnt even really the 10 commandments your taught and had to write them again so there is another month to write down those 10 same commandments. Oh and the way I found out Santa wasnt real was seeing my parents putting presents under the tree because I had to go pee, seen them stacked up in the closet.
But Evolution aside, genesis has no ground to stand on, its all been taken away, light before the sun, the sun moon and stars are suspended in a water vault or canopy, flat earth has all been proven wrong through observation. Watching some of these people say some of these things like "if 2+2=5 was in the bible I would believe it" kind of bullshit just shows that there is so much more that is wrong with mankind that anyone could ever solve. You could take these people up into space, show them the world is spherical and you can orbit around it and they would still say the bible is correct. I dont know if I just dont give a damn of what people close to me think of me and these guys are the complete opposite, or if there is something fundamentally wrong with their brain.
babies are atheists...
Dogma Disputant I'm sure your reasons for turning away from the faith was based on very sound reason and profound thought at age 8. So much for 2000 years of Christian theology which has produced some of the sharpest thinkers in the world. I'm sure you had it figured all out at 8....
As a former christian I can tell you that it does not make one feel good, it makes one feel constricted. Also, I can answer a point you brought up. You brought up things that science provides, medicine, technology, etc. I know how they think as I once thought that way. They would tell you, "yes, but people invented or discovered those things and god led them to that.". They have ways of maneuvering around hard, factual points.
I have a question for Ken Ham and other gullible, indoctrinated Creationists: Can you name a single example in which a scientific explanation was replaced and endorsed by the peer reviewed scientific community with a biblically based one with more evidence and predictions? (cue the crickets)
samaurijacked
The theory of evolution is not theoretical. Science uses specialized terms that have different meanings than everyday usage. These definitions correspond to the way scientists typically use these terms in the context of their work. Note, especially, that the meaning of “theory” in science is different than the meaning of “theory” in everyday conversation. In the scientific world a theory is the highest level of achievement. Scientific theories explain facts. They are abstract inferential explanations. Theories are the foundation and thus the most important ongoing accumulation of knowledge for all the sciences. A hypothesis is made on an observation that is later confirmed (or disproved) many times to learn a 'fact' about the universe. Then the answer to WHY that fact is that way, is a theory. Some examples of scientific theories are the evolution theory, the heliocentric theory, the atomic theory of matter, germ theory and the theory of gravity. In ordinary colloquial language a 'theory' is a fact. We know that objects fall when dropped (a fact). Why? The THEORY of gravity.
There is absolutely no validation for any theological speculations. Evolution on the other hand is validated by the overwhelming amounts of evidence spanning six distinct fields of science. There is validation in geographical distribution, geological strata, the extensive transitional fossil record, modern medicine, comparative physiology, and comparative genetics. And even if five of those examples never existed, the study of DNA and genetics all by itself is enough to confirm common ancestry as an undeniable fact. This is all common knowledge that is easily available to anyone who wishes to know. The evidence for evolution can be found in biology text books and in public displays like the Smithsonian Natural History Museum and the Chicago Field Museum.
Evolution is the most tested and supported theory in the history of modern science. There are over 250,000 published (in main stream scientific journals), peer reviewed (in main stream scientific journals) scientific papers on evolution, in the past 150 years. How many bronze age myth fables have been published in these journals?
You have made good points. Some of which are factual, others less so. For one. There are many competing theories disproving the methods used in the field of genetics to obtain proof of common ancestry. The theory of evolution is not an undeniable fact in any sense of the term. What we know and what we can observe about our historical ancestry cannot be improved past certain points no matter how many papers are written on supporting evidence found using modern science. At a point we come to the conclusion that any competing theory cannot possibly hold more evidence and still co exist with the science based evidence supporting the existing theory. We assume that because the support for evolution outways any other theory scientifically, that It must be the truth. When in actuality nothing can truly be proven in the true sense of the word. We can observe and measure things to the extent where we can be confident that they are proven, But it is impossible for there to never be the possibility of miscalculation or misinterpretation causing an inevitable uncertainty of the undeniable factuality of something. What Im trying to say is that anything that can be "proven" has to be subject to uncertainty, because we can only way what we consider to be fact, against what is not supported by found evidence. If another side of an argument (about an existence of a theory) is existent then no matter what, one side cannot be proven 100%. Just really close.
So technically speaking it is impossible for something to be non theological and therefore the theory of evolution cannot be proven. Its just the best guess you've got.
weigh*
samaurijacked There is more directly observable evidence to support the theory of evolution than there is to support the heliocentric theory. The evidence is literally at your fingertips right now, waiting for anyone with the courage to look it up and the honesty to recognize reality even when it contradicts their longest held and most deeply cherished beliefs. It's no longer a matter of belief or choosing to believe the evidence. The reservoir of evidence is so vast and deep that denial of evolution is perverse. Refusing to look at the evidence for evolution cannot make it less true.
InformationIsTheEdge Someone reported your comment and it was removed as spam. I have restored it to its rightful place. I wonder who could have done such a dishonest thing? LOL
My friend died when we couldn't remember his blood type. As he died, he kept saying, "be positive," but it's hard without him. But I will try, my brother.
lol. thats funny!
Does he realize he's reasoning is so flawed at 1:16 (Charles Bonner)? "So to say that man is an animal and God created man in his own image...are you saying that God is nothing more than an animal?" By that reasoning, you (Mr. Bonner) are saying that God is a man or man is a god. And he looked so smug after he came out with that little gem of stupidity. Jeeezzz!
That woman thinks Darwin is alive!! Hahaha
Christians think Darwin is some newcomer who posts anti-god tweets.
Docktor Jim
This is very true - sigh, it's a fuckin worry ain't it
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Homo Sapiens = Wise man
Homo Idioticus = Creationist
*"just to make peace with Darwin."*
I speak with Darwin every morning and he told me that God is wrong, so I believe that.
Why do I never hear an English accent or a Danish accent or most of Europe for that matter ever talk of this 'creation'? Very strange in 2016. Relocate to Europe Kyle, we'll welcome you with open arms brother. X
That "If the Bible would say 2+2=5 to be right, I'd believe it" is a Theology of the Bible called Fideism. It presupposes the Bible to be absolutely right. And Answers in Genesis (among other hardcore Creationists) adheres to that philosophy and even states it bluntly in their Statement of Faith. That tells you everything about their integrity when it comes to scientific subject matters.
I keep thinking about the old saying " a wise man always continues to seek more knowledge but a stupid man believes he already knows everything. " but it is scary how people refuse to believe what is in front of them. It's odd one of the women actually sounded like she believes Mr. Darwin was still alive.
Lol, right!
Yes, that is the part of the video that struck me, does she think Darwin is still alive? If she does why would anyone take anything she says seriously? I mean she first displays total ignorance about evolution then asserts that Darwin is still breathing,.......damn!
Hal Barbour Not only that but she said she wishes Darwin would try Christianity. So much ignorance.
People never quite die....Like what they did in the world still has an effect.
If I have two kids, who have two kids, and then I perish...well to some degree my life would gain meaning as the number of people who wouldn't exist without me increase.
primer656 This illustrates the complete disconnect people have to this subject matter, where she was under the impression that Darwin was still alive and his purpose in the theory of evolution was to drive people from god!?! Why did HBO even show this idiotic clip with this woman and not inform her that Darwin is no longer alive and he just published his findings not interjecting an anti-theist manifesto?
The arrogance of these people. They can't even imagine the fact that maybe we are not special and are just one of many species on earth. "Oh I'm smarter than animals so I have to be special and made by a special invisible being in the sky"
The bible sells to the heart, science sells to the brain/logic. Emotion is the most powerful force on a human
I don't think that woman even knew who Darwin was. Emphasis on WAS. She fucking thought he's still alive.
"I'd encourage Mr. Darwin to TRY God"
What a bunch of small minds
"How does evolution deal with death"
Well, to be nitpicky, evolution doesn't deal with death. It isn't a living thing. But really (I can tell that this is directed at atheists, so I will use us) we deal with death by thinking "Well, it'll be like before we were born" I used to be afraid of dying when I just converted to atheism (grew up, in other words lol) but now I say "Meh, I don't have to set my alarm clock anymore" that's how I deal with death. You just think you will go to a magical place where everything is all good. In other words, heaven is a stoner's room. Apparently that needed to be a bribe for Christians on top of the threat of hell. So this raises a question: Why do Christians think that Atheists are Nihilistic, amoral douchbags, while Christians need to be bribed with eternal bliss and threatened with eternal suffering to keep them from doing the same things considered amoral?
Actually that answers in genesis guy answered the question of why will christian choose the bible over reality and it's really kind of sad but it's that these christians are afraid to die and for there not to be a heaven waiting for them. They are afraid of their consciousness ending and simply being nothing, but this is a reality they will sadly have to face (like everyone) that when we die that's it. There is nothing after that, and it will be over for us. It's not as scary as they think it is though.
+Nightshift10000
You have touched on a question that has long since intrigued me; If Heaven is so wonderful, why are they reluctant to go there as evidenced by their use of modern medicine which is the result of the science whose findings they deny.
+Nightshift10000 Ending of consciousness is easy. I think it's more a fear of hell. Even if there's only a .0000001% chance of it being real, they feel that it's still taking a gamble on being tortured for eternity. When you're a child, it's easy to become indoctrinated and to retain some fear of hell for the rest of your life.
Oddly, Jesus and Paul seem to disagree about what happens to nonbelievers. Jesus has everyone who didn't follow him being sent to lakes of fire, while Paul just has them dead with no afterlife. If Paul's version had won the day, there would be far fewer Christians. Unlike the Muslims, Christianity doesn't really sell its heaven. Only the fear of hell makes one convert and keeps him/her in the faith.
Someone, somewhere, somehow should gather data and develop a movie/scenario/documentary on how creationists would fair if we were to separate them from Science in this age. Maybe even toss the Republicans with them. I'm pretty certain theyll end up eating each other.
+Ben Pon That is a great idea for a sci fi book. I want to read that book.
I was raised and brainwashed as southern baptist until I broke away around 15 yrs old. I got tired of not having questions answered or at least not answered in a logical reasonable way over and over again. I have just one thing to say about this video. Ayyyaymen!
Gee, I get mocked a lot. I also get called "evil", a "whore", and a devil worshiper. Who does the name calling?
Christians.
***** and yet another name caller.
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oh really. Do explain how I earned it. This aught to be interesting.
Well, those aren't real Christians then...
***** so how exactly do I have a lack of spine? Can you explain without name calling this time, or is that beyond your capabilities?
***** Oh, so they aren't real Christians if they are assholes? There are jerks in every group on earth.
That smug face he makes at 1:31 is beyond disgusting as though he thinks he just made a point that completely refutes all claims against him.
2+2=5? I thought this was 2015, not 1984.
Just try Heroin. Try it, and see the difference it makes.
"Just try Heroin. Try it, and see the difference it makes"
lol very true
uncleanunicorn ok I tried it.....now what?
blake perdue Now become an atheist.
uncleanunicorn I did and the pink unicorn spoke to me. All praise the pink unicorn, the one true god.
May the Science be with You Blasphemer. He's not pink; he's Salmon-colored. Obviously, the only rational response is a religious inquisition now.
"I would like to encourage Mr Darwin" This statement really saids it all about the Religious Mindset, I really feel sorry for these people.
WTF 2 + 2 = 5!!!??? You can't reason with people who think like this.
"If the Bible says that 2+2=11 I will believe it."
That says it all right there - ignore logic, ignore reason, ignore your won two eyes and just believe whatever this ancient tome says you should...
Creationist logic can make you laugh harder than watching a stand-up comedy show.
These people are so emotionally dependent on belief it's scary and sad.
1:05 And creationists have the audacity to call atheists arrogant?
wants to encourage a man whose been dead a century to try god👍
That smug ass look on that dude that said "are you saying god is an animal" made me breath a little harder out of my nose
Sorry, but attacking their ideas is the same thing as attacking them, at least from their perspective. Remember, they used to *set people on fire* for disagreeing with them. That's a measure of how personally they take any criticism of their ideas. The mere fact that they can no longer set people on fire for disagreeing with them must make them feel very persecuted indeed. Anyone who goes from such a position of privilege to being merely equal to everyone else is going to feel that they have been persecuted and treated unfairly.
very good point Paul when you put it like that. I also get the feeling they are having the rug pulled out from underneath them. Sometimes I wonder if this is religions death cry. Imagine what the world in the future would be like with the wonder of science, logic and humanism behind it.
Grass hair Calling it a death cry is wishful thinking. We have certain kinds of bad thinking hard-wired into our brains because it helped our ancestors survive (e.g. hyperactive agency detection).
It would be better if you resign yourself to the fact that religion will always be with us in some form, and concentrate on attacking the bad arguments. You'll never get people to change those conclusions, but if you can get people to stop using bad arguments to support conclusions, then there is a chance you'll improve the quality of decisions they make when they contemplate other conclusions.
Paul T Sjordal True enough Paul but I can dream. I gave up 20 odd years ago trying to change people and instead try for reasoned arguments. Then again their are religions in the past which have slowly died out over time. It is becoming harder for many organized religions to keep their flock in the dark. A few years ago I considered myself agnostic due to what I considered religious experiences I had in my late teens. Years later with the help of the internet and some extremely well informed scientists I found what I deemed reasonable explanations for my experiences. I often wonder how many people have gone through similar experiences with the advent of this the dawning of the age of information.
Grass hair I'm more concerned with how people think than with what people think.
A number of studies suggest to me that ideology plays very little role in our moral decisions, so even if we could get religion to go away, I don't think the human experience would change very much. We might start making different bad decisions, but we would still make bad decisions.
As far as I'm concerned, worrying about religion is worrying about the symptom instead of the disease, and the disease in this case is sloppy thinking. If we can get other humans to be less sloppy in their thinking, then we can have a real impact on the world even if they continue to cling to these particular conclusions on this particular topic.
Paul T Sjordal Well yes your right I do agree with you. I do not loose sleep over religion and I have never been concerned with religion until it began to affect political decisions and try to change our education system. In these cases the disease of sloppy thinking is having a direct effect on our children. When you see how hard creationists are trying to discredit Darwin and change social reform which has taken centuries to put into place it concerns me. I felt the need to challenge crazy dangerous ideas. I have no desire to change people just challenge people and I hope to get the same in return.
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"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, burning bushes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say we are the ones that need help?" Mark Twain
Anyone wanna try some god? The first hit's free. That's how ya hook 'em.
I just went from hating these people, to feeling somewhat sympathetic towards their plight. These people cling to their religion because the thought of no after-life is too devastatingly sorrowful. In essence, he is choosing to reject Darwinism because he wants to feel hope. He can only justify his religion by describing how good it makes him feel. Sad. And quite pathetic really.
Science gave them the camera they are talking into.......bingo!
I've not forgotten where I started. There was a time, long ago, when I too believed in God. As a result of life experiences, education and lots of talking & studying, I was able to take that necessary leap of reason toward rational humanism and then finally to the positive atheism that I affirm and self-identify with today.
What's the point? It's that I don't condemn nor ridicule "believers" when I encounter them. I patiently try to share with them about my journey and my beliefs today. I avoid confrontation like the plague (no Biblical reference intended)...and I don't like to name call. I adamantly believe that nobody learns new ideas better or faster through humiliation....not the piano, not calculus, and certainly not new liberating perspectives on the stultifying effects of supernatural beliefs on the human personality.
I know it's not popular but I really prefer evangelizing for free-thinking with science and reason...respectfully, logically, clearly. If that doesn't work...fine. At least I've left the blind with the seeds of possibility. And without the bitter aftertaste of an encounter with a hostile, condescending atheist...which I certainly can be. I don't begrudge other fellow atheists their choice to approach it their way but...call me crazy...my way works for me. Although I realize other atheists may not even care if "a creationist comes to Darwin", but I do.
I can drag & beat a horse toward water but I can't make him drink.
I was in 1st grade (maybe 2nd) when I realized that reality flatly contradicts any sort of literal interpretation of Genesis.
Am I saying god is an animal? No. I'm saying god is a fictional being that one species of animal has been known to imagine. Also, I think Christians who are so deeply offended by the very concept of being in any way the same thing as other species of animals need to learn to have a lot more respect for animals. Animals can think, feel, some are self aware, some demonstrate empathy and compassion, and some are capable of metacognition. I think understanding how wonderfully complex animal thought and interaction is is so much more beautiful than assuming everything in the world is dictated by one magic man.
Aww this is so cute!
They are like little kids trying to describe santa clause!
She also asked if "Mr. Darwin" would just try God as if she thinks he is still alive. They are so out of touch with reality, they don't know very basic facts about history and science that are taught as early as elementary school.
Just because your religion makes you feel better about the world you live in doesn't mean that it's the truth. I'm tired of people who think that just because a god doesn't watch over them 24/7 that the world is a horrible place. Just because everyone wasn't created specially in the image of an all knowing magician doesn't mean your life means any less or that you are not responsible for your actions as a productive member of the human race.
No baby. God didn't make us in his image. We made him in our image.
Well, about the 2+2 thing... The Bible says Pi=3, so... yeah.
Of course it does.
This argument got Ray Comfort to ban me from multiple Facebook pages
Collin Stagner Sadly, I believe you... That says a lot about him, and not in a good way.
"I can't even fathom going from a little thing that crawled on the ground..." So you can't imagine going from a single cell to a complex organism capable of thinking, philosophizing and making art? That's very curious since you've done it yourself in only 9 months.
Saying these things should trigger a red flag in their heads.
They act as if we worship evolution.
"Well my belief offers everlasting life, and no cancer or disease. What does yours offer?"
We talk and teach about evolution because it's a scientific fact with evidence to back it up. It's a process of life. It's not an ideology or a religion. Geez.
That 2+2=5 is stupider than anyone imagines. What it means is that he cannot imagine there such a thing as textual criticism. He seems to be claiming that no manuscript of the bible could have an error. But probably he doesn't even imagine there is 2000 year long history of textual copy involved in the Bible and that the text of the Bible used by the KJV translators was carefully edited; he can't conceive reading two Biblical manuscripts with different readings or having to decide between them.
Yeah we being originated from a water life form into an ape is crazy, but beared dude that sacrifised his son for us that lives in the sky is totally legit. Its magic, i aint gonna explain that!
Kserijaro And a fat fucktard doesnt realize that human with all our evolution are the most disgusting animals in the world. He fucking looks like a pig and talks how he looks like a god....
It's actually really sad that many of these people are only believing in God so that they feel that they will be safe when they die. It's a really depressing thought.
The bible was compiled by 40 different people over the span of 1500 years. Several decades after Jesus's death. It's like the game telephone, what was the truth in the beginning never ends up being what was originally said!
To some degree, yes.
My question for the 2+2 guy is why? Why would you accept it? Why not question and how can you think it's truth if you're not questioning it?
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What evidence have you that they have any "brain thingy" ?
That second creationist, the woman? She was hilarious. Don't want to believe you started out as some little thing crawling on the ground? So are you calling your parents liars, sweetheart?
Keep the charlatans out of the science classes. Don't expect from science to change the goal-post. It means everything is open and on the table. A questioning skeptical mind is welcome.
Oooh the lady said Darwin and others should try god, ok firstly he is dead, second he did train in the clergy.
the whole if the bible says 2+2 = 5 then the bible is right is scary to me. Scary to know there are people who really think like that.
Later on, he says that if the whale had lived in Jonah for 3 days he would believe it too
I have found, after much unfortunate trial and error on my part, when I get into those conversations about evolution, and age of the earth, and big bang theory... that the best thing to say is, "what is your understanding of [insert scientific theory here]?" This has had the greatest responses for possible authentic discussion/conversation than anything else I have ever tried.
Absolutely Kyle!! Without fear, there is no religion. Accept our time as finite and make the most of this gift of life.
Believers are like mimes, their God's are manufactured and maintained in their imagination and they act out their lives as if something is there which isn't. People like this believe what they need to believe because believing in the romance of a lie is more comforting than accepting the truth.
The guy at 2:18 is exactly right, he just disproved christianity. Good job lol
I love that Kyle shows us the whole video before talking about it, rather than interject every few seconds
when she said "try God" she is proving "Religion is the opium of the people"
at 2:47.....I was at a cocktail party last month, and someone offered me a God. Just a small one. So I thought, "what the hell", & I tried it. I kind of liked it, so I tried another, and another, and another....
Funny, "the first 11 chapters are true cuz its gods word "
That's saying "Star Wars is true cuz It's George lucus's word"
And ken ham said its wrong to believe in evolution cuz it deals with lots of death and violence but the Bible creates a perfect word without death until after human sin
So basically we are supposed to believe in the Bible over evolution just cuz its sounds nicer and prettier
Creationists are stupidly crazy
The people that are the most ardent critics of evolution are people who don't actually understand it.
Someone needs to tell this woman that she herself started as a microscopic cell that over only 9 months divided into a baby. Big things have small beginnings.
Ken Ham: The bible shows a beautiful place where all living things, including dinosaurs, were vegetarian and there was no death or disease!
Me: That sounds boring and stupid.
Ken Ham: But the fossil record shows an evil place of death, animals eating each other and disease!
Me: SIGN ME UP! :D
These people make shit up without proper research
Let's make this simple: Religion and Science aren't opposed. They are only opposed to the close minded.
Let's make this complicated because reality is complicated: The scientific process requires you to use scepticism. If you have faith in what the results will be in scientific experiments, you might be proven right or wrong, but if it's wrong and your belief is too strong you might deny the science and make excuses for why something is true that isn't.
I'm not saying you mustn't have a religion because I believe in the right to choose, but as a scientist I feel it's important to avoid confirmation bias in order to find the truth.
There might be a God for all I know, but I can't be religious or have faith in that because science is about acknowledging you don't know until you get the answers, and religion is about having faith even if you're tested by doubt or a lack of definite proof. I'm not closed minded because I understand I don't know and God could be real, but it would be unscientific of me to act on the assumption that something that hasn't been proven scientifically is real.
If scientific data convinces me there's a God I'll believe it.
Science doesn't mean there's no God, but you'd be a failure as a scientist if you believe anything without proof, and you'd be a failure as a religious follower if you wouldn't believe without proof.
hmm as a scientist you can have faith in something more than yourself... be it god, the universe or what ever have you... but the important thing is to understand that you are biased, and that you have to do what ever you can as a scientist to ensure that your experiments and conclusions do not have your bias within it... I get where your coming from... Being a scientist does mean your skeptical, however, your personal faith should never get in the way... Just because I personally believe in a higher power I still understand the importance of empirical evidence and don't spout my beliefs as being the end all be all solution.. just as further information, I have a bachelors degree in Biology, and a minor in psychology, so don't get me wrong... i get where your coming from for sure, since it does seem the two fields of science and faith are at odds with one another, but really they are not.. Science has nothing to say on faith and faith has nothing to say in opposition to science and really religion should be all for it because the more we learn through science the more we understand how complex and amazing our universe is.
Luck Linni That's a very Christian view of religion. Many religions require no faith, and faith can be an all encompassing term.
Even the sensations that you use to perceive the world are taken on faith, and we take it on faith that world even exists at all. I mean seriously? You'd have very few opinions if you didn't believe anything without empirical evidence.
I digress though, using Christianity as the basis for religion, we still see that science and religion are not incompatible. It's only when we make the choice of them being incompatible that they are.
Essentially, we decide that one is right and superior. When in fact the categories where the two have overlapping ideas is small and minor, and most of two have nothing to do with each other.
Religion is mostly philosophy, or ideas about how to think, act, believe, behave, and moreover about how to be. Whereas science is more like logic. A precision tool we use to understand the world.
Science will never provide all the answers, as the human race will not exist long enough. Religion is in place to give us answers to the questions with no answer.
Kent Brockman I get that. I wouldn't describe religion and opinions as the same thing though. Religion tends to encompass practices and beliefs meant to be followed, but opinions are by nature subjective. I can have particular ideals based on my needs and experiences which result in placing a lot of value in something that someone with different experiences and as a result different values may be less able to appreciate. Thus, different opinions are formed based on perspective.
A religion is generally a code to be followed overriding personal desires and opinions, and certain facets of it are taken as universal facts without any proof. That is where I find it clashes with the scientific process, in a way that opinions by their subjectivity do not. Case in point: Creationists above refusing science because evolution doesn't match what they read in the Bible. They are taking every word of the Bible as fact, and taking science that contradicts it as therefore false. If the Bible is not up for debate and has to be true no matter what, any discoveries regardless of how much proof there is behind them have to be scrapped if they contradict that. Science doesn't work that way. You can't get accurate science if you have un-budging pre-conceived elements that have to be taken as fact before anything else is considered. That is closed-thinking.
The reverse isn't true. In science, anything we don't know is true could potentially be true. We don't act on the assumption that it is and often have to act on the assumption that anything that hasn't been proven shouldn't factor into an experiment unless it is what is being tested at that time. There are things we know little to nothing about, but the possibility of them exists. Knowing that you don't know is a key part of science. There are however a number of things we do know that contradict the Bible, because they are things that have been scientifically proven. This is also the case for a number of other religious texts.
We could try re-interpreting the texts and taking certain things as metaphors that were previously taken literally, but what's the point in making excuses for an ancient book? The people who wrote it lived before we knew some things that we do now, so it seems backwards to assume they have to be right no matter what even if we know things they didn't.
Luck Linni I'm not going to argue that you need religion. That's an entirely personal choice.
I will give you an interesting idea though. Back in the 1600s Jewish Kabbalists were revolutionizing the way those secluded spiritualists were looking a the Bible/Torah. A good many of their most respected ideas were interpretations of the holy book beyond the literal scripture.
Creationists don't follow the Bible, and they certainly aren't Biblical scholars. Instead they listen to the dogma their priests say, and generally don't even read their holy book. The idea that the earth is 6000 years old came from Chassidic Rabbi scholars who believe that Moses wrote the Bible.
The majority of the scholarly community is in agreement that the Bible was an oral tradition before it was ever transcribed. I mean, there are even errors in many translations where the scribes notes (the ones who rewrote the aging ancient scripts) were accidently left in the Bible. (One reason it seems like we have more then one creation story being told in Genesis)
The old texts are history, and just like the ancient Greek god pantheon they tell of god-kings, prophets, wars and power shifting hands. The interesting part of religion isn't the dogmatic bullcripe that's been used through the centuries to control the populace.
It's that so many diverse and sometimes entirely isolated civilizations and people have had the same spiritual experiences. That the human story extends to realms that we've yet to understand. Whether that's metaphysical, psychological, or an interesting mixture of the two is up to debate, but what's not is the fact that these experiences exist and anyone can have them.
Anywho, religion is more then dogma, but unfortunately many are taught that scripture is king. Which is hilarious, (in a sardonic sense), because now the word of God has become a new idol to distract from the teachings.
So, a learned and open mind is not bound to any constricting rule, but unfortunately many are simply taught the dogma that spirituality means unquestioning obedience to some arcane laws of conduct.
"I was raised that the bible is fact and if someone disagrees with it then they are incorrect" LMAO worst statement of the year award goes to the woman at 4:02
I don't see how this reacurring trend of athiest moral view or philosophy could be considered bad or destructive in anyway. What I've seen so far ( and this is a constant with my standpoint) is this unanimous urge to enjoy life and help theirs enjoy life while bettering the world in as many ways as we can..... HOW IS THAT A BAD THING?!?!?!?! I never understood theargument against this as it usually come with alot of assumptions and ignorance. I think this scientific perspective is a beatiful and optomistic view of the world and that it should be imbraced( althouhg i see how eople may need time with accepting these thing as they are rather hard to swallow)
Definitely, most atheists turn to secular humanism, which is an extremely moral and positive outlook. Recognizing that this is the only life we have is important, it improves desire to improve our condition and ensures that we are in this together. The sad thing is that Secular Humanists are actually the most accepting, they dont adhere to some religion and dont mind if religious people keep their faith. Its just the second that they try to force it upon other people, inject their unsupported beliefs where it doesnt belong, and mute the voices and rights of those who dont hold their beliefs is when religions becomes a problem. The problem is that most religions tend to involve indoctrination of youth, it demands that children be brainwashed into unquestioning loyalty and claims that those who dont believe are evil. Religious indoctrination includes the idea that without religion, humans are immoral demons, when in reality thats not true. Secular countries have the lowest crime rates, better health, and overall happier citizens that allow people to hold their beliefs and converse. Religions has hijacked the numinous and morality, it claims to be the source of truth when in reality its the source of ignorance and stubbornness. Without indoctrination and bold faced lies most religions wouldnt last beyond a generation. I look forward to the day that humanity transcends archaic modes of thought and learns to deal with reality as it is.
I will join your Vicodin religion brother.
"Darwin should try God"
Wasn't Darwin christian?
"We've been mocked and hated by the world"
you ARE the world, literally 2.18 billion out of 7
"Dinosaurs did not eat other dinosaurs till after sin."
With that type of mindset your saying that carnivorous, large, lizards, were living during the same time as humans and somehow they became extinct and not humans
"we have too much of a reliance on science"
I trust studies that can be reenacted in front of me with facts that reappear daily, more than I trust a book written by homophobic, sexist, and racist men thousands of years ago.
+Brandon Rodriguez Well, Darwin WAS quite a strong Christian, even studied Theology. But at the end of his life, while not an Atheist, he wasn't really a Theist anymore.
Chuck been there, done that. He found the beliefs of Christianity to be incompatible with the natural world.
"Try God."
I did. Why do you think I'm an atheist?