My Thoughts on the R151 - Is the hype justifiable? What are the plaguing issues?
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From my understanding, the train jerking was caused from wheelslips during wet weather. Very normal for all the other trains also.
and the reason why the door open abit when the R151 was jerking its because the R151 doors can be push back just like the C751A doors
@@SingaporeTrainsChannel as someone who takes the NEL ALOT, the C751A doors dont do that
@@arnoldcobarrubias6593 th-cam.com/users/shorts-R0eusevzp0?feature=share
@@arnoldcobarrubias6593I am also one of the frequent commuter on the NEL since it serve my area, but usually I would prefer the C751C mainly because of the LED display and the motor sound
This is my first time to see the replacement train in my lifetime and I excitingly take the hole ride towards psr. The first thing surprising me is the door closing announcement, which sound similar to the one used on CCL and also being used decade ago. The second moment is also memorial for me when the train heading towards PSR departuring the Tanah merah with c151 on the middle plf together, a very touched moment. Third thing to mention is the jerking fault when heading west bound. I just heard of this after viewing some videos on the debut day, just hope that they can fix this as soon as possible and make it comfortable and safe for commuters:D
9:25 most likely its for privacy reasons (cos TCs dont like to be observed while working) and possibly security reasons as well. These windows are featured on C151B and C151C trains but have been covered up
The handgrips have different colours unlike the previous generations
yes, i just realised
they are longer too
The caution sign is cool, but it can be a bit annoying. Because the announcement “This train service will end at Joo Koon”. Is it to warn passengers or to give advise? I can understand if lets just say the emergency button is activated and the train service is delayed and there’s a caution sign. But I don’t think there’s a need to have the caution sign on the transfer announcements e.g., Change at the next station for the Downtown Line.
ngl i agree
@@sbs2828s bad use of icons. should just use the yellow public transportation logo instead
I just took it yesterday but it had no problem.
I also recorded it and uploaded it.
I live near dover and I have a friend who lives near rochor and we both use the mrt ALOT. He keeps teasing me on how the downtown line is so much better and more modern than the east west line. Well well well, how the tables have turned....
but which is more crowded?
@@Corsair8GB1x8GB ewl lol, but dtl can also get very crowded in peak hours. AHEM CIRCLE LINE
The digital screen looks as close as the Thomson East Coast Line and the Refurbished North East Line train.
The door closing red light is similar to DownTown Line trains
More like identical to the Refurbished C751A
For me I have been always been looking at the order of which door closes first, where I would expect that the train doors closes first, then the platform doors.
I am quite disappointed that the doors on the R151s close later than the platform doors compared to the other models (overground only, the very unreliable underground PSD always closes first 💀). Oh, and as you have pointed out, they always move and open (sometimes wider than the other models) when the train jerks, presuming that they aren’t fixed when closed, and that’s a big red flag in safety.
I would honestly fix these issues if I was LTA but knowing them they will do some ‘suspicious stuff’ 🤦🏻♂.
Only 1 R151 trainset was operational (at the moment). But luckily due to weather and personal reasons, i did not go to experience the new trainset today.
Hi there! Thanks for your time for making this video, havent gotten the chance to ride it since the debut since i only ride NSL than EWL. its amazing how you pointed out the flaws as well.
Tbh, as much as i love the newer trains, i very much prefer the C151. C151 a/c is colder, smoother journey and the comfiest seats. I hate servicing their components due to their old age and the amount of faults, but i enjoy the train as a consumer.
I enjoyed your video. thank you!
glad you've enjoyed 😉
R151 is quieter but has fewer A/C vents & looks less elegant & more bulbous
Looking forward to ride the new model soon with the new display screen and interiors!
A lot of C951 vibes. The new LCD DRMD and SMRT announcements help mask it quite well though.
Especially there must do something with the circle line because circle line does not have exactly like the screen in East West Line
Maybe it’s good? Apparently it ended it service at Redhill while inside of the R151, mainly because of door fault? Overall, I can say that the debut is worth it, smooth!
Hi yes I understand Abt the train jerking incidents but I believe it's something to do with the train safety systems or computers not used with the heavy passenger load but don't worry! There more trains along the way and I am pretty sure they will iron the issues out but overall it's quite good and I am looking forward to take them
The loud announcement made it hard to sleep.😂
The train jerking has been like that since it was tested, it happens to almost stations, R151 823/824 should be the one to go to svc as it was the first train tested and was perfect while 824/825 was having problems
During the morning not really that much jerking but during like almost the afternoon the train started to jerk after departing the station. The door being forced open is quite scary
The seats are pretty much comfortable as compared to the KSF C151A, C151B and C151C trains.
But they have lesser seats so KSF is much better
@@chocolatechips878 Agree
I use the East-West Line, the line that I use most frequently.
full windows = more heat into the cabin = more hot...
PA voice is not required to change as her voice is nice. It is a standard voice using on all SMRT stations, trains and buses.
Thanks for the meet up and no problem for the grab ride
no problem, today was rly fun :)
I think the Downtown line and North East Line also have the same new train as the East West Line
Nice documentary narration of the new train 💚♥️🚇
The R151 also has almost similar to the PMSM motor sound
When the train jerked after departing from the station the doors moved hard and it felt like as if the train derailed lol but at least it has a safety feature to protect the passengers inside but overall the R151 is a vary excellent train just that it lacks alot of seats which most people from the public find it useless when they replaced it with perch seats for more standing area.
i honestly won't be surprised if this ends up in a collision with an older train
p.s love the text to speech you use please never stop using it
let's hope this never happens though
also yes i will continue using this voice!
@@sbs2828sThis voice is well suited for these 'commentary' train videos and I like it
eh don’t give me that joo koon ptsd lor, i from fuhua sec in jurong west and i scared already i live there lol
Quite disappointed that the corner seats are removed :(
I notice after the "Chime" the pause before the announcements is a little longer
I’m in Japan with the cab windows and the PMSM monitor lol
hope you're having fun!
(i love japan)
also kinda ironic that 7 11 was a shop there, it was closed tho
2:57 do you see people running to board the train
😂😂
Attention, the R151 uses the Bombardier (Alstom) Mitrac SiC VVVF, not IGBT.
Apart from Japan and Stockholm it is the only network to have it.
-For the seat down, it's like explaining to increase the capacity of the trains.
The green line is 6 cars long, which for a long line literally crossing the whole country from east to west is not much. In addition, it serves the airport and the city center, and other popular places.
I don't know if the stations were originally sized for longer trainsets, but 8 or 10 car trainsets are necessary.
Extending the stations is expensive. In the meantime, we are artificially increasing the capacity of the trains.
Moreover, being in Paris, I can tell you that having too many seats makes the trains infernal at rush hour (bi-level train or not)
-For the problem of shaking and doors.
Suspension? possible but not certain.
But this happens on acceleration and the door will move better if a force in its axis is present. It is therefore probably a longitudinal movement rather than a vertical one. I'm leaning more towards a jerk linked to traction which cuts off and resumes quickly or wheelspin. The doors peeling off, the associated sensor is triggered and orders emergency braking, and the associated message believing it has an opening in progress.
The locking system will be reviewed after verification. For jerks during traction...tests and modifications will take place.
R151's propulsion system sounds similar to London's Elizabeth Line/CrossRail's Class 345's
Currently NSEWL runs 1 train every ~2min 20s during peak hrs but the signalling system lets the frequency be raised up to 1 train every 100s
Actually the pink seats are for North South Line not East West Line
Wah first alstom train in EWL and the NSL And i hope to spot one when i go changi
r151 dh on changi branch
i believe it was on manual drive on part of its first trip
I think the main reason why this Mitrac system sounds like a 13000 series train is because this is one of the first MITRAC systems to use SiC instead of a traditional IGBT. But I highly doubt it's because of use of Mitsubishi technology.
i SAW THIS TRAIN SHAKE SO MUCH WHEN I WAS ONBOARD IT THAT A DOOR FLANG OPEN
The train is jerking because the doors open while moving so the emagency button has been activated
Even though this train looks pretty modern, i think there could be some improvements which can be trialed to be placed on for future batches of r151 and trainsets.... first is the seats. I think they could make the seats more comfortable by adding in cushions like seoul metro, korail and japan railway are doing. Secondly, i think they should add more seats instead of decreasing no of seats like c151, if they removed the emergency button between each side of the door, they could probably add 1 or 2 more seats. For priority seats, i feel like they should be at the 4 sides of each car that way it could be more organised to tell which are priority seats and probably reduce the arguments between ppl fighting for the seats. Thirdly this thing is also a suggestion is to do smth similar to the 3rd batch seoul metro 2000 series train. They could add the led lights at the side of each doors like: green (door open), yellow and flashing (door closing), red (door closed). Finally, i reccomend adding doors to connect each carriage as uk standing in between carriages is dangerous as when train turns, they have a chance of falling and they cant grab anything so adding doors will make sure ppls dun stay in them. All in all are just feedback and hopefully lta can use this to improve the newer batches of r151.
those are really good opinions, but the lta will forever say no to fabric seats due to the maintenance issues (seats wont stay clean for long unlike japan as singaporeans prob wont really bother to keep the seats clean), a reason why plastic seats were voted for and implemented when the MRT first opened in 1987.
decreasing the seats is meant to increase train capacity, so i can see why the LTA removed seats on the r151.
doors in between gangways aren't really necessary in my opinion, as people don't really lose balance at turns that easily, and it isn't worth the extra cost and maintenance
@@sbs2828s for me i still think they should implement the priority seats at the 4 sides of the train instead of putting them at each side of the door on a long row as u seen many cases of ppl fighting over these seats so giving a dedicated priority seats will force the ppl to seat at the normal seats instead of hogging up the priority seats. The reason why i want to put seats as based on this video, i see lots of ppl rather have seats than more standing space. There is one thing i forgotten to point out is to put tv screens at the place where they put the train maps and paper advertising that way the screen can show the whole map instead of an advertising screen and blocking the map and advertising and tv shows have their own screen. Tbh actually lots of my suggestions are actually based on the korail and seoul metropolitan subway system as i still see a lot of potential in sg mrt system that could use some of the things that the seoul metropolitan system have. Btw now i see why seoul metro decided to remove cushions seat from their 3rd batch of new 2000 series. Thanks for telling me about the cushions and see if my other suggestions would be good for the mrt.
"They could add the led lights at the side of each doors like: green (door open), yellow and flashing (door closing), red (door closed)"
Yes, this exists on the MPM 10 in Montreal or on the platform doors of line 4 in Paris (which is in the process of completing its full automation).
This has a downside (it may not exist in Singapore). People with earphones screwed into their ears, seeing the orange light, they start running, and block the doors of the train to get on.
The Mp14 uses a similar system inside the train. Some lights near the doors change from classic white lighting to orange when closing the doors. This is less visible from the outside, but quite well inside.
@@Lodai974 For SG, I think usually only during peak hrs or when ppl in a rush, they would rush into the train but I think this is a problem all big cities need to adapt. Like take Tokyo trains for example, ppl would usually rush in but the conductor would usually find the perfect time to shut the door b4 another big crowd comes. For the LED Lights, I am going to use Seoul Line 2 where all their newer rolling stocks use this LED lights. But as long as the conductor can shut the door on time, its fine but for Singapore since they usually are a OneMan team, the driver would usually shut doors by themselves and drive the train also.
@@ItsRabootOfficial In Japan people are much more disciplined...
there are cases of forcing doors, but it's much rarer than in Europe (for SG I can't compare). There, we queue to go up.
Completely unrelated but can you PLEASE do a "10 most used mrt stations"? I'm waiting for that video to come out :)
soon maybe 👀👀
@@sbs2828s YES LETS GO
Nice video! The blue doesn't really look blue, it's more like turquoise.
Add on: I agree that the ads on the DRMD can be paused temporarily, or even omitted completely so that the full EWL route can be shown.
As for the 72 seats being sacrificed, there needs to be some give-and-take if we are going to make the MRTs more inclusive for passengers on wheelchairs, parents with baby strollers and those with foldable bicycles.
I didn't get to see the train debut (as I was sleeping and preparing for work 😂) but overall, from what I heard, the ride is pretty good and the trains seem quieter than the older stocks. Hopefully more will be rolled out on the EWL soon as I take this line often too so there will be a higher chance to catch a ride on them. 😀
Same for me
Never heard of them since I didn't get to ride one.
The 'bloatware' announcement is unnecessary and I don't really like it on the NEL, TEL, NSL and EWL LCD displays. What's the purpose of it if the purpose of the LCD is to display the stations? ESPECIALLY if it's damn long like TEL ???
Feedback to lta for the see through cab window
I am still wondering if the jerking comes from the failure of the ATP system
Me sad cause on the day of the debut. I was sick, so I was unlucky
What time R151 does always at Jurong east around morning ?
not sure tbh
9:15 "see one five one see" lol
oops i forgot to modify the subtitles💀
make that into a meme
😂 KFC
honestly speaking this was the most futuristic train i've ever ridden
will there be a giveaway in the gameshow??
i have no money 😭😭
One question, how often does a R151 come?
as of now 1 trainset, however likely 2 trainsets will be in service by the end of june
I saw myself at 2:40. The really short dude.
Up till today, I had not taken the new train
Very disappointing with the size of the above door LCD display. Could be much much bigger. The fonts are too small to read unless you are standing right under it. So much about the talk of our rapidly ageing population.
Why it is covered? Some wants privacy
could be "security reasons" too
exactly 1 year ago lol
4:06 so you hate the blue?
Don’t worry, in the future there will r651, r151b, r751b,r151c
not wrong 🙃
U forgot the feature naz sleeping 💀
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What!
I was sleeping in my room the whole time :(
Heres 5 sgd
thank you so much for the support :)
Ur first one i huess
The video sounds like you have your girlfriend to do the voice scripting for the video LOL
but idh one soooo
Thats text yo speech
The lack of seats is not good for older people and an aging population !!
Older people have priority, so they will always have a seat. If the priority seats are all already being used, and more old people enter the train, people with regular seats can still give up their seats.
R151 can go 840km/h
in your imagination
I can tell
You have a crush right or no
R U 10 YO?
69th comment haha funny number
The issues is too many of trans port nerds!