'the original research' == damage control messages from parties embroiled. few months ago tyson was sending influencers messages being peeved that they were mentioning that kiwifarms exists and that there is actual information on there in neutral light.
Exactly. If Dr Disrespects victim came out tomorrow and said “yeah he sent inappropriate DMs but i wasnt groomed, he was just playing around” are we gonna continue like normal? Grooming is entirely manipulative and supposed to be secret from the victim. Of course they wont think they were groomed until all of the pieces come together.
@@audioholic850No, not it could not. It doesn’t mean they weren’t, as some victims don’t even realize the situation they were in, or the severity of it, but it also doesn’t mean they were.
bro there is no legal action to be taken. bro didn't break a single law? talking to a minor and saying inappropriate comments is not a crime and never will be because of freedom of speech however i can understand your annoyance that someone would say those comments in a group chat/server that has a couple of minors. also the victim i don't believe ever said it was fine just that he wasn't groomed or taken advantage of and that the environment he was in was friendly and safe and that the jokes were just edgy and out of pocket not that they weren't inappropriate
@@JokerChany He is still going to be cancelled regardless, so it really does not matter if its legal or not. Same way doc is getting cancelled for talking to a 17 y/o. Chris is a COOKED MAN.
Y'all realize he makes those mistakes for engagement reasons right? TH-camr's know the number one way to drive comments is to make minor/innocent mistakes that they can be corrected in the comments and get hundreds of otherwise non commenters commenting on their video to please the algorithm.
Got mine disturbingly early. I was the most clueless thing under the sun and didn’t even perceive gender differences between myself and my male classmates. According to some people this is a ripe age for mating and reproduction! 😍
@@Vowkki the brain is literally never fully matured before 20 years of age. So what’s the argument around trying to lower the age of consent then ???????
11:50 “I wasn’t groomed and was never in danger” is exactly what a child who was groomed by a predator starting at the age of 15 would say, though. That’s why we teach kids not to trust adults who want to be their friends.
@@justinwalters612stop trying to protect a predator you could do anything else go touch some grass get some sunlight on your eyes because i can see youve never been outside
Explain me, why talking with minors about s3xual topics as an adult is something wrong? I am in similar age as these people that Chris Tyson was talking to and I don't know how it could be harmful to them? It's normal to teenagers to talk about s3xual things and I know it from experience, so explain me why this is wrong?
JUST A REMINDER CALLING OUT TRANS PREDATORS ISN’T TRANSPHOBIC AND TRANS PREDATORS DOES NOT = ALL TRANS PEOPLE ARE PREDATORS -update- some these comments prove my point people wanna be transphobic when the real issue is that ava is a predator hope yall kept the same energy w cody ko!
As long as you highlight they're predators and don't infer that they're predators because they're trans. It's similar to caucasians not being profiled as criminals when an individual white person commits a crime, but when an individual black person does, they *will* say "oh the usual suspects" or "typical".
@@b00g3rs21 yeah exactly, it’s just his mentality trying to dismiss everything and make himself the victim because boohoo he got attacked online because his actions were exposed, it’s genuinely so disgusting how someone will do what he did and then play the victim
When ur a young teen, you may think you’re grown and it’s ok to have inappropriate convos with adults, may even be flattering but their intentions are always disgusting and s*xual. They’re losers, call them out if they try to talk to you. If you’re an adult you don’t engage in relationships with kids under 18 period. Any normal adult knows that. Yes, there’s the weird area maybe in highschool where one is 18 and one is 17 but Y’all kwim. I have taught my kids this, parents need to always talk to their kids about the online dangers with adults and grooming. Kids sometimes think they can trust ppl they’ve been talking to online but they are ALL strangers , if u don’t personally know them and it’s so dangerous!
Kendrick Lamar, used his domain expansion, now we can clearly see them for what they are, predator that will never change, they are simply "not like us".
Also a reason why most victims are scared to take things to court and make accusations public. They then have to deal with the embarrassment from the homophobic population of our cou try which os sadly huge still.
if yall wanna know and dont feel like searching it up(please dont search it up), shadman drew an inappropriate image of keemstar's 8 year old daughter. disgusting
I unfortunately have seen many of his drawings when well you know watching Corn. And man it gets bad... Like real bad i remember seeing 4 different minor related pictures.
@@creatingtoomuch_yt20because you’re 18, in my opinion it’s fine. It’s not illegal, but there will still be haters. I think it’s fine. Maybe if you were in your 20s, it would be odd, but right now, it’s should be fine
You said over 18 tho? My guy essentially they are kids in highschool by your logic please do not stoop to that level of harassing kids let’s focus on the adults
I have a theory that most kiddy didders just have more charisma or know how to manipulate people more effectively than the average person so it's more likely that they will blow up in popularity than the average person.
plenty of grooming has happened during the early days of the internet but it’s all just coming out now. unfortunately, children have always been unsafe on the internet but people are just realizing how bad it truly is.
@@ezarbeluh9989 A lot more of it going around now because certain mental disabilities are celebrated and encouraged, and a deeply disturbed group of the population is desperate to be around children at all times, and anyone who calls them out on it is labeled as a "transphobic fascist", which is probably why Jimmy never came out about anything.
as someone whose been groomed and SA as a 15 year old i never thought of myself as a victim. i always remember that "relationship" as something i wanted. now i realize how much I've been used and i hate that person from the bottom of my heart. thinking back on it as an adult gave me some serious mental health issues and anxiety.
The most insidious part of grooming is that the child is made to feel like their boundaries are not being violated and that the inappropriate behavior on the part of the adult is normal. I feel very bad for Lava, he is still very young and I would not be surprised if in a few years Lava has a very different perspective on his relationship with Ava.
@@Yunggravi3 If someone can't respect a child enough to not sexualize them/act inappropriately, I don't think people should be morally required to respect their preferences.
A victim coming out saying they weren’t groomed doesn’t mean they weren’t. The whole point of grooming someone is to make them believe they’re aren’t being groomed or being a victim. So at the end of the day, I don’t care what lava believes.
@squibbelsmcjohnsonLava already came out saying those rumors are false, I dunno lavas a full adult consciously saying constantly saying hes not groomed so I’ll just take his word instead of speaking for him.
As a trans person, I truly appreciate how this video focused on the harmful actions of an individual, rather than perpetuating negative stereotypes about trans people.
fr i had 16 yo friends when i was 17-18 and they were still annoying asf. kids at that age are trying to find their identity while trying on all sorts of cringe things and thinking they're super smart, it's a typical teen phase everyone looks back at and cringes at themselves. why would an adult crush on that cringe stuff. the thought of even being friends with someone like myself at that age makes me want to chug bleach, yet alone dating them.
In my opinion those ex employees of Mr.Beast who claim that Jimmy knew all along, that would also put a light on them knowing all along as well which is just as disgusting.
Yea I feel like those people who are saying that are just accusing him for knowing it. Which again could be the case but again he might likely didn’t know about Ava messaging minors and the secretary that she was using.
I agree, but let's not forget Mr. Beast asked for NDAs to be signed left and right which have serious legal consequences upon breaking. Maybe saying he new does not violate the NDA. not sure, just saying as at this point everyone can just speculate.
The difference is that these people don't think they would have the platform or voice to acceptably make these claims, unlike say, Mr. Beast, who leads the whole operation. You ignore the difference in power and public standing.
@@dorotvarga1640 well know at some point because if an nda was broken by saying “jimmy knew all along”, then anyone who said that will face legal repercussions, which would also confirm that jimmy did know about it, but it also confirms that anyone who signed the nda knew about it too & agreed not to talk about it
Hate to burst your bubble, but Kendrick is most likely a PDF file as well like most of extremely rich people are. Kendrick is just smart and knows calling the kettle black will make gullible fans believe he is a saint that can do no wrong.
@@jbzhummerh2gamerrealistically nothing happened to doc. I go on his reddit and there’s hundreds of people coping and saying “they destroyed this man’s life” like he didn’t admit to it and also he hasn’t lost anything at all. He lost no money, no freedom, and probably will get more fans that think he was canceled unjustly. (Canceling is not even real, it’s called the consequences of your words and actions)
As a victim of grooming myself. It took until 30 to finally admitt that I was. I made me embarrassed. I felt weak like I had no strength to see it or fight it off. I can see how this would be even harder for a man to admit as most never do. Thanks, Society. Now add the ENTIRE FN WORLD having a say, I can only imagine. That is grooming, whether he wants to admit it or not. He isn't the only one either. This isn't the first we've heard of Chris being gross towards minors. These are the things that we have seen. How much have we not seen? When you have been through it, you see it and through the bs a lot faster and more than those have not been through it. Relatable in the worst way.
Here's the problem I have with this logic. It's applied very liberally to meet a certain conclusion. Maybe Lava wasn't groomed, and these were harmless jokes. Maybe Chris didn't know Lava's age until later in their communications after the worst examples. Maybe Chris himself was groomed when younger, and that lead to him thinking that this was normal behavior, since he was only in his 20s. There's a lot of potential factors at play here that no one seems to be taking into account, because they really want to reach the end-goal narrative that Kris is evil and needs to fall and maybe Mr Beast with him.
@@Phatnaru0002 People are going to straw man what you said by saying "you're saying there was definitively no wrongdoing here." I appreciate the nuance, but I worry for your inbox in a day XD
@@Phatnaru0002 Except that Kris/Ava owned loli drawings done by a guy who draws CP of RL children. Twist it into "lolicon" all you want, it's still CP. They fetishize children. Then let's recall Kris/Ava made "inappropriate jokes" with kids. And told them Kris/Ava loved them. And called them daddy. They are kids. Kris/Ava was an adult. As an aside, as someone who was victimized as a child, it's really condescending to hear the old "Well maybe he was groomed too!" BS peddled out every time the predator is famous or popular, as if that's some kind of redeeming excuse for the actions. They made a choice to repeat the cycle. They stop being victims when they start becoming abusers. I personally dngaf about Kris/Ava being trans. I had this same energy for DrDisrespect, I had it for Drake, I had it for Diddy, and I have it for Kris/Ava. They're all predatory. I am consistent. Those who were cheering the downfall of those like DD and have fallen silent because of a flag, be very ashamed of yourselves.
@@Justaprixit’s when an adult befriends a minor and constantly gets closer and closer personally, flirts, makes them feel more dependent on them, etc etc. Can be many things they do or a few of those until they are 18 then they start dating if they weren’t already dating underage
The underage victim coming out saying they’re not a victim - is this not literally the whole point of the age of consent? That is to say, you’re not emotionally/mentally mature enough to fully understand the situation and make an informed decision as to whether you really want something or not, hence any of age person having relations with an underage person is guilty of stat. r**e, as regardless of the underage persons willingness, they’re legally not able to make that decision to give consent So, with that in mind, it’s easier for someone that is older / mentally mature to manipulate your thoughts to make you feel like everything is ok, but you dont realise that what they’re doing is wrong - that’s grooming, and the whole point is for the victim to not feel like a victim
True that, ive been groomed before multiple times when i was 13-15, its an utterly disgusting thing and i hope one day they get caught for what they did to me and others
@@lasskinn474the brain hasn't developed fully until someone is roughly 25 years old. Maybe theyll understand better in a couple of years, unless they're fully indoctrinated by what you've pointed out.
THANKYOU for highlighting that anyone engaging in “culture war” BS is solely being destructive. I wish everyone would just be chill and focus on positivity, working together to better everyone and stop being hateful and negative. You’re a great influence and I hope you change some people’s minds on negativity.
In my opinion even if a minor thinks they weren't groomed it can still be grooming. The child is young and naive, of course they wouldn't understand what's happening. I should clear this up: I am not specifically talking about Lava when I say "a minor". I'm just saying in general a kid would be too naive to recognize a groomer
I agree, but i’m not sure if it applies in this situation. Their conversations were in a group setting and doesn’t seem to go beyond edgy jokes. So I don’t know.
I love how Caleb is talking about this stuff and still being very respectful to them and the people involved, shows how great u are Oompa. glad to be a follower!
As someone who actually loves kids - for the proper reasons, these people are really starting to make me literally sick to my stomach. I just don't know how anybody thinks this is okay, at all. Leave kids alone for God's sake. Also, you are just a fool if you actually think a CHILD is even interested in you at all. It's delusional. They're KIDS! Leave them be and let them continue being kids instead of destroying their innocence. It's so wrong! If ANYBODY in my life/circle was to hurt a child I'm not sure what I would do to them.
then the next day gets called a liar and he wasn’t the only one groomed by the same kid in the infamous photos of him and Ava/Chris the one contradicting the boy would know best: there were two boys in the photos shown as proof of them having a relationship with the second victim stupidly NOT blurred when people were showing the first grooming victim 🙄
Inappropriate sexualized conversations (edgy jokes) with a minor is the definition of grooming. Lava has every right to feel like/ make the claim he is not a victim, but that does not mean he wasn’t victimized.
i dunno. if he says he wasn't a victim then why not take his word for it? i was on discord servers when i was a kid making edgy jokes with adults, it never meant anything
@@tsrenis frankly how the action is received by the minor is irrelevant. It is the responsibility of the adult to know the situation is not just morally wrong but illegal.
I just want to flag here, that Destiny should not be used as a source on morality for the age of consent. Homie literally said that if you lobotomize a fetus before birth, it's not immoral to use it as a pleasure toy during his conversation with Trent Horn.
@@catsotoriousI don't think he used the word lobotomize, but yeah he said that if a baby never became conscious, the there was nothing wrong about using it as a sx toy.
I find it insane how people think just because the victim doesn’t know he was groomed, that must mean Ava is innocent. If anything, that just means she was an expert level groomer if she was able to convince him that her behavior was okay. No doubt he wasn’t her only victim.
i was gr**med at the age of 14 as well by a stranger online. i didn't think that anything was wrong with it. but now, looking back at it as a 23 year old, i cannot imagine ever doing the things that were done to me at that age. absolutely disgusting. i used to be a kris defender and thought she was so brave to transition in public, but this is horrific. i hope she goes to jail where she belongs.
I'm technically part of the LGBT community, and I've had it up to here with people tip-toeing around the subject (not you, I mean, generally speaking). It puts the whole of LGBT in a bad light. It frustrates me that so many people rather not say anything bc they fear of getting called x-phobic something. Just because you're LGBT doesn't mean you're absolved from any wrong-doings. Esp. not this type of wrong-doing! People need to learn to keep politics out of this shxt! And it doesn't help if media outlets such as Rolling Stone focus on trxnsphobia instead of the actual issue at hand........................ The LGBT community needs to call this out! (Some do, but many don't dare.)
Because it's a hard topic to talk about, what Kris did os obviously bad, the problem is not "defending our side", but rather that people will attack our very existence because an individual in "our group" did something bad. The perpetrator is not being attacked for what they've done, but rather because they're in the community, at least partly or as a starter. I can't talk for anyone but I feel like many people don't like talking about this not to defend the criminal or ignore them but because it'll have to turn into defending themselves just because they're in the same community
im trans and a majority of us call this kind of thing out, I feel like people always assume we coddle other people just for being lgbt but we really dont lol. If someone is a bad person we shun them, easy as
@@NorthernCheese its not really our job to do so, its not like we have anything in common with these people besides also being lgbt. everyone should be calling this out because its horrible
That honestly seems to be the least of anyone’s concerns, but to be honest, I didn’t even realize that they had completed “changed” for a lack of a better word
Kris using LavaGS saying he hasn't been groomed as a defense is disgustingly sinister. Whether or not Lava believes himself a victim or not doesn't excuse Kris's behavior, and taking the non-apology route while trying to take advantage of their alleged victim is vile.
I think it’s one of those scenarios where Lava still admires Kris so he doesn’t realize he is a victim, maybe once he matures he’ll realize that what happened was messed up.
Yeah, he probably won't realize until he has kids of his own. That's when your perspective on so many things change, and most victims of groomers don't even realize they were groomed ... Which is the entire point of grooming. Chris should be investigated by actual law enforcement cause I guarantee there's more skeletons in his closet.
More and more, I am proud of my decision to keep my children away from social media. How many adults use their platform to act creepy with children? Probably more than we will ever know. Stay away from the children!!!!😡
Let your children on the internet just keep them away from like discord servers( some of them not all of them) and remind them of what predators are and to stay away from them
This coinciding with the revelation that Kris was into Shadman correlates because a not tiny number of edgy 4chan types are trans, which goes to show that gender dysphoria isn’t in fact tied to your politics, and that predatory behavior toward children can be found in every single demographic. Fame, money, and power seems to exacerbate the occurrence of predation, however.
A vast majority of people claiming they're trans don't have gender dysphoria. They're the equivalent to someone shaving their head bald to get attention by claiming they have cancer.
or exacerbating the chance of you hearing from it. tge incidence of predators could be higher in not famous population, but you wouldn't know it since nobody talks about it when a random talks to a teen...
Nobody believes u that’s why. Abusers behave like animal predators. Charisma, and also ur scared. And after my experience at a dv shelter where one of the workers said I wasn’t pretty enough to be a victim, I outright told my abuser to just… get it over with. Police are also useless. So just.. now u know I guess
yes true but in this case we cant just say "lava ur a victim u dont have a saying in that" bc without any further info we cant say for certain if he was groomed or not and we cant tell and force somebody to feel a certain way only bc we think that is what the person should feel. Not saying that Lava still is a victim of inapproriate behavior through Kris just not right now a victim of grooming.
This situation is a clear reflection of how convoluted the internet can get. The waves of misinformation combined with personal narratives make it hard to discern the truth. It's frustrating to see behavior like Ava's that seems inappropriate, which in turn impacts everyone involved.
Eh you all need to help and love eachother, if you saw someone sick would you disregard them or get them help by government services? I don’t believe in a bad person unless they are deliberately being bad (in other words, Ignorant to their wrongs)
Man Oompa is the best, he and Kris are legit the only TH-camrs that I know the can cover these sorts of topics and know with full confidence that it ain't gonna be biased because theirs is a trans woman in the video. I also love how he continues to use her correct pronouns even though she has clearly done some very questionable things, a lot of other TH-camrs have instead weaponised the pronouns which is disgusting
More information is coming out about this, another minor that was in the discord has screenshots that directly go against what Lava said and this person has said there are more screenshots to come, including proof of an NSFW discord chat where "corn" was frequently spammed by Tyson to multiple minors. While Lava may not feel like a victim, if the screenshots are real, Lava and multiple other minors are victims.
What is pretty annoying and upsetting is that Lava basically dismisses all the allegations creating excuses. Simply he is not a victim. And that we should be focused on "real victims." I don't care if he thinks perv*rted humor is acceptable among minors in 2016, CHRIS WAS NOT A MINOR. It is not okay, Kris should be cautious and mindful to keep minors safe. Minors making perve*ted jokes to each other, well this is different in my opinion since I understand this. We all experienced edgy humor in highschool, some of us even turning to d*ugs and s*x. We have no control over a minors heart and free will, but we do have control as adults to make a choice and keep kids safe from predators
I love how oompa talks about serious stuff but puts some comedy aspects in so it’s not just boring old talking about stuff and getting board 8 minutes in this man is the only person who can make me watch an entire informative video
A minor cannot consent. That is the law. Setting that aside, it doesn't matter if a minor "thinks" they've been groomed or not, it is a matter of objective fact. Even adults are clueless to situations where they are a victim often times, you think a child can tell? You CANNOT talk sexually, as an adult, to a MINOR. That on it's own is already a crime. If that wasn't enough, there is a clear pattern of behavior here. I don't care about internet outrage, people can do as they like and you aren't entitled to approval on the internet. From a legal aspect though, this is far more than enough to warrant criminal investigation.
Ive been doing research on this subject to try and develop a video that is meant to be a quicker version of this for those who are attention deficit as myself, so im glad my favorite youtuber made a video so that i can know if my information is right
First sneako said he likes cuties and defended it and now he's talking about lowering the age of concent to a "developed age". They need to check his hard drive next
He never said lower it, if anything a developed age would be older because humans brains fully develop at like 25. I hate to say it but yall are twisting his words
@@MRCY223 still liked and defended the movie cuties, knowing that it doesn't seem that far fetched that he wants the age of consent lowered. Also when asked he didn't want to answer what he meant
@@MRCY223the only thing is he didn’t say what was a developed age and knowing sneako he probably thinks something under 18. if he doesn’t want us twisting his words then maybe don’t support pedos?
“I wasn’t groomed” sounds like something somebody who was groomed would say. Like…you kind of can’t ask “were you groomed?” You can ask about most abuses but if you are groomed then you are groomed to feel a certain way about it all so that talking about it feels wrong, weird, off or even shameful. “It was normal guys! It was all normal! Come on! I wasn’t groomed, it was normal for a teen to have an adult talking to them about inappropriate things! Everybody experiences that, right guys? No? You’re just jealous. Stop making it weird. Stop making it seem weird. Leave me alone. Go away.” Strangers aren’t the ones who need to help victims unravel that trauma.
you're putting a lot of words into his mouth. he never said anything about it being normal or about jealousy he just didn't want people to assume he was a victim because mind you the events happened almost 10 years ago and he is a full grown adult capable of self reflection and understanding the concept of grooming. i'm sure he also has friends he talked about before he made the tweet saying he wasn't groomed. you act like this came out a few months after it happened and that lava hasn't gone several years without interacting with the mr beast crew. You should give people more credit he didn't come out acting like he was defending kris but rather just simply stating he doesn't want people to auto assume he was groomed because he is able to reflect and look back on all his interactions which we can't do and yet he still says he wasn't groomed. if we had more damning evidence then maybe we could argue he was but all we have is weird messages in groups and servers and out of pocket jokes or remarks with very few of them being directly remarked towards lava. grooming would have a lot more evidence and we would actually have messages of kris trying to calm down lava and explain to him that this stuff is normal or okay. don't overblow this all and don't speak for lava because you want to assume he was groomed when we have no reason to not believe him other than your feeling
@@bloxstarluke bruh. Just say no and that you're underage simple as. If they keep asking tell an adult you trust and or just stop interacting with that person
@@bloxstarlukeReport his account and block him. If you know him in real life at any stretch, have your parents take you to the police to file a restraining order.
Where is your focus? He briefly addressed the keemstar situation but said the whole thing couldn’t be included in the video. Most people with any sort of hearing comprehension skills got what he meant.
I think it can very difficult for a victim of grooming to realize they are one, especially when there hasn’t been a lot of time that’s passed. I think lava was groomed. At the worst Ava groomed him, at the best he had a very inappropriate relationship with a child that is inexcusable and wrong. Ava Tyson deserves cancellation and possibly jail time
Love seeing the Hasan Piker community downplay this as simply "inappropriate talk with a minor" instead of what it is: Literally the same kind of inappropriate talk with a minor that Dr. Disrespect did. I wonder why they don't want to equate the two?
We have a lot more information about Ava’s situation than anything with DrDisrespect. We have chat logs from Discord, Reddit posts, twitter posts and just strange connections from Ava to a CP artist who she public endorsed. I haven’t seen anything expect DrDisrespect just saying it’s true.
@@brd6184 ava being a disgusting predator doesnt change the fact that theyre a trans woman though. You cant just take away a trans person's identity once you find out theyre a terrible person, thats indicates that you dont view trans identities as legitimate and instead something you can give or take away depending on the person's moral character. Think of it this way, nobody started to referring to Dr Disrespect as a woman once they found out he was a creepy predator, because yes he is a predator, but he is still a man. Just like how Ava / Kris is a creepy predator, but she is still a woman. Although in fairness I think Ava said they dont mind being referred to by the name Kris either, but it sounded like you were implying we should refer to her as a man just because she's a disgusting creep. Anyone of any identity can be a predator, that doesnt change their gender / identity.
I don't care if the minor was ok with it or not, it's weird to talk to minors like that.
It's werid even talk to minors anyway
'the original research' == damage control messages from parties embroiled. few months ago tyson was sending influencers messages being peeved that they were mentioning that kiwifarms exists and that there is actual information on there in neutral light.
Exactly. If Dr Disrespects victim came out tomorrow and said “yeah he sent inappropriate DMs but i wasnt groomed, he was just playing around” are we gonna continue like normal?
Grooming is entirely manipulative and supposed to be secret from the victim. Of course they wont think they were groomed until all of the pieces come together.
Ban edgy jokes
@@BonShula dont talk to minors unless you are a family member
A potentially groomed minor saying they weren't groomed... isn't exactly all that surprising.
It could be argued that is proof of grooming.
supposedly he signed an nda with mr beast a while before that so if he knew that he was being groomed theres a chance he just hides it
@@audioholic850yeah like the whole point of grooming is that the groomee doesn’t realize it’s happening
@@audioholic850No, not it could not. It doesn’t mean they weren’t, as some victims don’t even realize the situation they were in, or the severity of it, but it also doesn’t mean they were.
@@XerouEffect13where tf did you get this information from? Who was sent to jail?
any adult that voices that they think the age of consent should be lower needs to be on a watchlist !
why?
@@pitue_ what do you mean why?
@pitue Gross
what is age of consent in the US? In my country it is 14 which is pretty wild.
@@tangente00 not exactly sure but I think it depends on each state.
Just bc the minor/victim says “it’s fine” doesn’t mean it’s okay. Legal action needs to be taken.
bro there is no legal action to be taken. bro didn't break a single law? talking to a minor and saying inappropriate comments is not a crime and never will be because of freedom of speech however i can understand your annoyance that someone would say those comments in a group chat/server that has a couple of minors. also the victim i don't believe ever said it was fine just that he wasn't groomed or taken advantage of and that the environment he was in was friendly and safe and that the jokes were just edgy and out of pocket not that they weren't inappropriate
@@JokerChany right in a legal way wrong in a moral way 🤔
@@parkermiller5466moral depending on who you ask
@@JokerChany Are you serious? 😂😂😂 I wonder what kind of skeletons you got in your closet after making such a comment. This world is cooked smh.
@@JokerChany He is still going to be cancelled regardless, so it really does not matter if its legal or not. Same way doc is getting cancelled for talking to a 17 y/o. Chris is a COOKED MAN.
How hard is it not to like minors?
we talkin music or children
Yeah is getting rough
FOR REAL!
Very hard apparently. Disgusting.
Well the odds decrease significantly the further down the acronym you get with LGBLTQ+
"Over 300 thousand subscribers", technically the truth
He's coping hahaha
he tried and we love him for that
Yes most are bought
A broken clock
Y'all realize he makes those mistakes for engagement reasons right? TH-camr's know the number one way to drive comments is to make minor/innocent mistakes that they can be corrected in the comments and get hundreds of otherwise non commenters commenting on their video to please the algorithm.
“DrKrisRespect.” 😭😭😭
not even 5 secs in and he already made me spit out my drink
Haha beat me to it!
Whattt
Nogla terroriser 😂
Nasty work!
1:51 A 'developed' age can be as early as 7 because literal children can get their periods and it's pretty common. Absolutely disgusting.
Got mine disturbingly early. I was the most clueless thing under the sun and didn’t even perceive gender differences between myself and my male classmates. According to some people this is a ripe age for mating and reproduction! 😍
i think he meant when their mind is at a mature level where they can have their own decision? just my thought about what he meant yk
@@Vowkki the brain is literally never fully matured before 20 years of age. So what’s the argument around trying to lower the age of consent then ???????
@@Meirins Ugh the fact that some people think that's a 'ripe age' for reproduction is absolutely disgusting D:
@@Meirins 25
11:50 “I wasn’t groomed and was never in danger” is exactly what a child who was groomed by a predator starting at the age of 15 would say, though. That’s why we teach kids not to trust adults who want to be their friends.
It's also EXACTLY what someone who wasn't groomed would say.... So what's your point
@@justinwalters612stop trying to protect a predator you could do anything else go touch some grass get some sunlight on your eyes because i can see youve never been outside
@@justinwalters612someone who wasn’t groomed wouldn’t have to come out and say it if t turns to that than you WERE DEFINITELY BEING GROOMED
@@justinwalters612so your fine with minors getting sent 18+ content by adults?
Explain me, why talking with minors about s3xual topics as an adult is something wrong? I am in similar age as these people that Chris Tyson was talking to and I don't know how it could be harmful to them? It's normal to teenagers to talk about s3xual things and I know it from experience, so explain me why this is wrong?
JUST A REMINDER CALLING OUT TRANS PREDATORS ISN’T TRANSPHOBIC AND TRANS PREDATORS DOES NOT = ALL TRANS PEOPLE ARE PREDATORS -update- some these comments prove my point people wanna be transphobic when the real issue is that ava is a predator hope yall kept the same energy w cody ko!
So true I’m trans and I hate krys she’s an awful person,doesn’t matter if she’s trans or not she needs to be locked up alone forever.
As long as you highlight they're predators and don't infer that they're predators because they're trans. It's similar to caucasians not being profiled as criminals when an individual white person commits a crime, but when an individual black person does, they *will* say "oh the usual suspects" or "typical".
@@kami_1789 exactly krys is a disgusting predator and should be held accountable but their actions should not define the community
Twitter would call this a bold statement.
Self destruction is a predatory practice, no?
“I’m gonna focus on my mental health” is such a stereotypical thing to say in an apology/cutting ties statement lol
That’s just how they pull the victim card even when they’re literally nowhere close to being the victim lol
@@bjornzek it makes sense in my opinion, this dude really only cares about himself. why would he have concern for his victims?
@@b00g3rs21 yeah exactly, it’s just his mentality trying to dismiss everything and make himself the victim because boohoo he got attacked online because his actions were exposed, it’s genuinely so disgusting how someone will do what he did and then play the victim
“And focus on my family” which is wild….
Very reminiscent of a certain Ladd who blamed his actions on his mental health and try to gather sympathy.
When ur a young teen, you may think you’re grown and it’s ok to have inappropriate convos with adults, may even be flattering but their intentions are always disgusting and s*xual. They’re losers, call them out if they try to talk to you. If you’re an adult you don’t engage in relationships with kids under 18 period. Any normal adult knows that. Yes, there’s the weird area maybe in highschool where one is 18 and one is 17 but Y’all kwim. I have taught my kids this, parents need to always talk to their kids about the online dangers with adults and grooming. Kids sometimes think they can trust ppl they’ve been talking to online but they are ALL strangers , if u don’t personally know them and it’s so dangerous!
Yeah. Adults shouldn’t be doing that.
2024 has been a year where people are getting called out for their predatory behavior.
Kendrick Lamar, used his domain expansion, now we can clearly see them for what they are, predator that will never change, they are simply "not like us".
Not really, most of these accusations were from late 2019, it’s still pretty disturbing
Yup even Cody Ko
@@AwakenLahence why he got called out
and zero ofthemare in jail...most of themare hollywood celebs.
Just saying, people who were groomed dont often acknowledge being groomed
wise words, mr. handsome
@@waffleluvrx I try my best, sir
Thank you Chris 🙏
@@waffleluvrx are you a fed??? 🤯
@@laurawilliams6805 I assure you, I am NOT affiliated with any federal agency.
A minor will never think they were groomed or a victim bc in their eyes it was consensual. But in reality a predator will manipulate their victim
Can confirm from experience
Especially as a male
nothing happened 😐
@@miniature030 It’s sad how people don’t see a problem until it’s gotten physical.
Also a reason why most victims are scared to take things to court and make accusations public. They then have to deal with the embarrassment from the homophobic population of our cou try which os sadly huge still.
if yall wanna know and dont feel like searching it up(please dont search it up), shadman drew an inappropriate image of keemstar's 8 year old daughter. disgusting
That is disgusting, no one should be drawing kids despicable person should not have a platform.
I unfortunately have seen many of his drawings when well you know watching Corn.
And man it gets bad... Like real bad i remember seeing 4 different minor related pictures.
If you are over the age of 18 on the Internet just don't talk to anyone under 18 it's pretty easy. Just be like oompa. (We hope this ages well)
It’s not about gender that’s the weirdest thing, any adult talking to any minor like that is just weird 🙃
what if im turning 18 but my friend is 17 or 15-16 because i became friends before 18?
@@creatingtoomuch_yt20because you’re 18, in my opinion it’s fine. It’s not illegal, but there will still be haters. I think it’s fine. Maybe if you were in your 20s, it would be odd, but right now, it’s should be fine
@@creatingtoomuch_yt20 If you are close friends and have known each other before you were 18 then it dont matter as much because y'all have been buds.
You said over 18 tho? My guy essentially they are kids in highschool by your logic please do not stoop to that level of harassing kids let’s focus on the adults
does fame just equal being a kiddy diddler?
FRRRRR
I have a theory that most kiddy didders just have more charisma or know how to manipulate people more effectively than the average person so it's more likely that they will blow up in popularity than the average person.
No that’s just trans people
Yes
At this point, definitely.
I swear "Not Like Us" is the 2024 theme song at this point
They not like us 🎶
Certified lover boi , certified pdf
@@sarahwenckebach1231whop whop whop
Trying to strike a cord n it’s Ava with a minorrrr
Say kris... Heard you like em' young...
I swear being a minor in 2024 is the equivalent of being black in South Park.
Lol
plenty of grooming has happened during the early days of the internet but it’s all just coming out now. unfortunately, children have always been unsafe on the internet but people are just realizing how bad it truly is.
Sadly im a minor
@@ezarbeluh9989 A lot more of it going around now because certain mental disabilities are celebrated and encouraged, and a deeply disturbed group of the population is desperate to be around children at all times, and anyone who calls them out on it is labeled as a "transphobic fascist", which is probably why Jimmy never came out about anything.
@Lil6ixGT fr
Not being a predator is the easiest part of being a TH-camr 💀
They all fail tho💀
Cheese
* being an adult
90% of adult men are predators and you’re projecting
Should probably stop the ts and start using their real pronouns then
children are innocent, to take their innocence is one of the most vile things someone could do.
I wouldn't go so far to say that but I'd agree with the second part of that
children are evil
But weren't u innocent until some hurt u? Than u hurt someone else?😂 Just keep it simple, they don't know themselves well enough to consent
I'm of the mindset that no one is born innocent. Born neutral, yes. Life and choices adds or subtracts from that.
@@jcbuk2us ur a psychopath
as someone whose been groomed and SA as a 15 year old i never thought of myself as a victim. i always remember that "relationship" as something i wanted. now i realize how much I've been used and i hate that person from the bottom of my heart. thinking back on it as an adult gave me some serious mental health issues and anxiety.
❤
I am 16 years old but I groom an 24 years old.
It’s that realisation of “oh, that’s why I respond this way” that makes you realise that yes, it actually did affect you
Mental health and anxiety from something not happening means you need to let it go and move tf on. Stop holding on to trauma , it’s not a backpack.
@@talion4033so real 😭😭😭
“1$ lawyer vs 1,000,000$ lawyer”
underrated comment 💀
The most insidious part of grooming is that the child is made to feel like their boundaries are not being violated and that the inappropriate behavior on the part of the adult is normal. I feel very bad for Lava, he is still very young and I would not be surprised if in a few years Lava has a very different perspective on his relationship with Ava.
10000%
Chris*
@@full.grain.dude get a life😭 this is sad
@@Yunggravi3 If someone can't respect a child enough to not sexualize them/act inappropriately, I don't think people should be morally required to respect their preferences.
@@Cardinal_claw okayy..!
Sneako: calls everyone pdfs after not instantly calling out Ava
Also Sneako: "we should lower the AoC"
@squibbelsmcjohnsonyeah he’s a freak
@squibbelsmcjohnsonwho is his victim? It's crazy u people are praying he m0lested a child 🤮🤮
Also enjoyed and defended the movie cuties
He defended it because he's following Allah
@@logbuzz that makes sense 😂
A victim coming out saying they weren’t groomed doesn’t mean they weren’t. The whole point of grooming someone is to make them believe they’re aren’t being groomed or being a victim. So at the end of the day, I don’t care what lava believes.
You're 💯 correct
@squibbelsmcjohnsonLava already came out saying those rumors are false, I dunno lavas a full adult consciously saying constantly saying hes not groomed so I’ll just take his word instead of speaking for him.
@@CardiacYew-xt5zqLook up Stockholm Syndrome when you get a chance.
Yeah why would he want to air there weird henti groups lol and cross dressing @@CardiacYew-xt5zq
@@CardiacYew-xt5zqthe problem is there’s no way to refute the claims if these people don’t even believe the victim
As a trans person, I truly appreciate how this video focused on the harmful actions of an individual, rather than perpetuating negative stereotypes about trans people.
oompa the type of person to
What? Degenerate stereotypes about a certain community? Never!
crushing on minors is weird af, like whats attractive abt them picking their nose bsfr 😭😭 ???
Not what she was though.
fr i had 16 yo friends when i was 17-18 and they were still annoying asf. kids at that age are trying to find their identity while trying on all sorts of cringe things and thinking they're super smart, it's a typical teen phase everyone looks back at and cringes at themselves.
why would an adult crush on that cringe stuff. the thought of even being friends with someone like myself at that age makes me want to chug bleach, yet alone dating them.
@@DanielJacobs-rz1zlyou're going around defending kris like it's your job bro get a life
@@DanielJacobs-rz1zl what she? Everyone involved is a guy.
@@DanielJacobs-rz1zlthe dude clearly has mental health issues. Indicated by his appearance
In my opinion those ex employees of Mr.Beast who claim that Jimmy knew all along, that would also put a light on them knowing all along as well which is just as disgusting.
Yea I feel like those people who are saying that are just accusing him for knowing it. Which again could be the case but again he might likely didn’t know about Ava messaging minors and the secretary that she was using.
I agree, but let's not forget Mr. Beast asked for NDAs to be signed left and right which have serious legal consequences upon breaking. Maybe saying he new does not violate the NDA. not sure, just saying as at this point everyone can just speculate.
@@dorotvarga1640 there is more news now, but I'm just avoiding it until this whole thing ends.
The difference is that these people don't think they would have the platform or voice to acceptably make these claims, unlike say, Mr. Beast, who leads the whole operation. You ignore the difference in power and public standing.
@@dorotvarga1640 well know at some point because if an nda was broken by saying “jimmy knew all along”, then anyone who said that will face legal repercussions, which would also confirm that jimmy did know about it, but it also confirms that anyone who signed the nda knew about it too & agreed not to talk about it
Rolling Stones is defending Kris so hard it's pathetically sad they ignore the minors.
Rolling stone is trash
Absolutely TRASH
it makes for better news it will sell more.
The 80s band?
@@imavoid4239 that or the magazine
“Omnipresent, Omnipotent, and Omnipotent(pronounced differently).” 😂
I caught that too 😂 I think the third one he was trying to think of was omniscient
Year of the dragon ✖️
Year of the diddlers ✅
How many dudes did Diddy didke if Diddy did didle dudes?
@dsmianblanchard3422 Kendrick Kendrick on the wall who's the drakest of them all
Kendrick really wrote the anthem for 2024 💀
Deadahh
Hate to burst your bubble, but Kendrick is most likely a PDF file as well like most of extremely rich people are. Kendrick is just smart and knows calling the kettle black will make gullible fans believe he is a saint that can do no wrong.
@@oopsurdeadm8so true seems it’s one with the music industry at this point
@@oopsurdeadm8 he is the furthest thing
@@LMD123-u6z Yeah you say this now.
Cody Ko right now “thanks, Ava”. Internet sure moves fast
I bet Dr. Disrespect feels the sane way, even with the Dr. Krisrespect.
Sure does. This mess gets worse every day.
@@jbzhummerh2gamerrealistically nothing happened to doc. I go on his reddit and there’s hundreds of people coping and saying “they destroyed this man’s life” like he didn’t admit to it and also he hasn’t lost anything at all. He lost no money, no freedom, and probably will get more fans that think he was canceled unjustly. (Canceling is not even real, it’s called the consequences of your words and actions)
who is cody ko?
@olmosti4464 if only there was a place you could type that exact question to reveal the answer. DAM!
Do you know how weird it was for me to constantly hear my name said knowing it wasn't actually me? 😂
Main character syndrome
@@Just_be_yourself109 its her name being said over and over, how is it main character syndrome
Yeah
@@Just_be_yourself109 no?
Ava kris alt account confirmed
As a victim of grooming myself. It took until 30 to finally admitt that I was. I made me embarrassed. I felt weak like I had no strength to see it or fight it off. I can see how this would be even harder for a man to admit as most never do. Thanks, Society. Now add the ENTIRE FN WORLD having a say, I can only imagine. That is grooming, whether he wants to admit it or not. He isn't the only one either. This isn't the first we've heard of Chris being gross towards minors. These are the things that we have seen. How much have we not seen? When you have been through it, you see it and through the bs a lot faster and more than those have not been through it. Relatable in the worst way.
Here's the problem I have with this logic. It's applied very liberally to meet a certain conclusion. Maybe Lava wasn't groomed, and these were harmless jokes. Maybe Chris didn't know Lava's age until later in their communications after the worst examples. Maybe Chris himself was groomed when younger, and that lead to him thinking that this was normal behavior, since he was only in his 20s. There's a lot of potential factors at play here that no one seems to be taking into account, because they really want to reach the end-goal narrative that Kris is evil and needs to fall and maybe Mr Beast with him.
@@Phatnaru0002 People are going to straw man what you said by saying "you're saying there was definitively no wrongdoing here." I appreciate the nuance, but I worry for your inbox in a day XD
@@Phatnaru0002 Except that Kris/Ava owned loli drawings done by a guy who draws CP of RL children. Twist it into "lolicon" all you want, it's still CP. They fetishize children. Then let's recall Kris/Ava made "inappropriate jokes" with kids. And told them Kris/Ava loved them. And called them daddy. They are kids. Kris/Ava was an adult.
As an aside, as someone who was victimized as a child, it's really condescending to hear the old "Well maybe he was groomed too!" BS peddled out every time the predator is famous or popular, as if that's some kind of redeeming excuse for the actions. They made a choice to repeat the cycle. They stop being victims when they start becoming abusers. I personally dngaf about Kris/Ava being trans. I had this same energy for DrDisrespect, I had it for Drake, I had it for Diddy, and I have it for Kris/Ava. They're all predatory. I am consistent. Those who were cheering the downfall of those like DD and have fallen silent because of a flag, be very ashamed of yourselves.
@@gregorsmirnow6337 If they don't want responses they shouldn't make the strawman statement excusing predatory behavior.
These are facts I didn’t realize till I was 20. Is so insidious because as a kid your brain can’t comprehend what’s happening to you
Lava was definitely groomed. Most victims never realize they were groomed until years later.
What is meant by getting groomed? I do not know.
@@Justaprixjust google it, pal
@@Justaprixit’s when an adult befriends a minor and constantly gets closer and closer personally, flirts, makes them feel more dependent on them, etc etc. Can be many things they do or a few of those until they are 18 then they start dating if they weren’t already dating underage
@@tmo_117 ok thanks
Can vouch. Can confirm. I went through that and it's really hard to see that it's bad until you left.
The underage victim coming out saying they’re not a victim - is this not literally the whole point of the age of consent?
That is to say, you’re not emotionally/mentally mature enough to fully understand the situation and make an informed decision as to whether you really want something or not, hence any of age person having relations with an underage person is guilty of stat. r**e, as regardless of the underage persons willingness, they’re legally not able to make that decision to give consent
So, with that in mind, it’s easier for someone that is older / mentally mature to manipulate your thoughts to make you feel like everything is ok, but you dont realise that what they’re doing is wrong - that’s grooming, and the whole point is for the victim to not feel like a victim
True that, ive been groomed before multiple times when i was 13-15, its an utterly disgusting thing and i hope one day they get caught for what they did to me and others
in this case the victim as a 20 year old man owes their whole perceived current success in life to the groomer giving them attention.
@@lasskinn474the brain hasn't developed fully until someone is roughly 25 years old. Maybe theyll understand better in a couple of years, unless they're fully indoctrinated by what you've pointed out.
@@homerodysseus4203 they already backpedaled after "checking logs" and smelling the wind
THANKYOU for highlighting that anyone engaging in “culture war” BS is solely being destructive. I wish everyone would just be chill and focus on positivity, working together to better everyone and stop being hateful and negative. You’re a great influence and I hope you change some people’s minds on negativity.
Sneako the man who defended a lot of child diddlers is against Kris that's funny.
Its because she's a trans woman
He's been proven as being transphobic and homophobic
It's because kris doesn't fit his religious narrative
The only reason he's against her is because she is a trans woman.
It’s because he’s transphobic, that’s it. Thats literally it. If Ava was still Kris, he’d be SOUNDING off.
Getting angry with sneako rather Krisava atm is a bit insane though.
In my opinion even if a minor thinks they weren't groomed it can still be grooming. The child is young and naive, of course they wouldn't understand what's happening.
I should clear this up: I am not specifically talking about Lava when I say "a minor". I'm just saying in general a kid would be too naive to recognize a groomer
The whole thing with grooming is that the victim doesn’t know they’re being groomed
Exactly. @@SparrowSprings_
@@SparrowSprings_ yeah, exactly. They just think it's a whole joke/actual love (That's usually because the adult convinces them it is)
I agree, but i’m not sure if it applies in this situation.
Their conversations were in a group setting and doesn’t seem to go beyond edgy jokes.
So I don’t know.
@@Maxwellish they knew there was a minor in their group. It's still grooming involving a kid in those "jokes"
Get famous and not talk to minors: level impossible
Real
How come this only came up now and not when it happened? It feels as if “hating p3dos” is an easy way to earn free internet points
I love how Caleb is talking about this stuff and still being very respectful to them and the people involved,
shows how great u are Oompa. glad to be a follower!
As someone who actually loves kids - for the proper reasons, these people are really starting to make me literally sick to my stomach. I just don't know how anybody thinks this is okay, at all. Leave kids alone for God's sake. Also, you are just a fool if you actually think a CHILD is even interested in you at all. It's delusional. They're KIDS! Leave them be and let them continue being kids instead of destroying their innocence. It's so wrong! If ANYBODY in my life/circle was to hurt a child I'm not sure what I would do to them.
Ok bro don’t start your sentence off like that it sounds crazy😂
@@antoinefields390
He literally says “for the proper reasons” in the SAME SENTENCE, you melt
@@antoinefields390I'm with you , I was scanning the comments , and saw " ok I like kids " 😂🏴✌️
Pim i dont think you should be shouting that at the top of your lungs
That first sentence was a rollercoaster
"I was not groomed."
-Grooming Victim
Yeah anyone who uses his word as proof of no grooming taking place needs to look up the definition of grooming lol
well this didn't age well
then the next day gets called a liar and he wasn’t the only one groomed by the same kid in the infamous photos of him and Ava/Chris
the one contradicting the boy would know best: there were two boys in the photos shown as proof of them having a relationship with the second victim stupidly NOT blurred when people were showing the first grooming victim 🙄
What an awful day to be named Ava 🧍🏾♀️
Don't worry, that's not his real name anyway
🫵🫤 pdfile
Hahaha
@@anymoosedang, way to be a hater :/
His name is Chris
Doesn't matter if Lava views himself as a victim or not. Children cannot consent, period.
Ah, yes, the "don't believe the victim"-card
@@OGSiX33 He is a victim. What part of children can't consent don't you understand?
@OGSiX33 what? They're saying he IS the victim?
@@whiskeysaint5609 Except he's saying he isn't himself. So we must always "believe the victim" unless the alleged victim says "I'm not a victim"?
@@OGSiX33 OK, Groomer.
Inappropriate sexualized conversations (edgy jokes) with a minor is the definition of grooming. Lava has every right to feel like/ make the claim he is not a victim, but that does not mean he wasn’t victimized.
i dunno. if he says he wasn't a victim then why not take his word for it? i was on discord servers when i was a kid making edgy jokes with adults, it never meant anything
@@tsrenissomeone who was groomed isn't gonna know they were groomed until long after they're older
@@tsrenis Victims of abuse often don't consider themselves victims because they don't know any different.
It's testing the waters before full on grooming 🤢
@@tsrenis frankly how the action is received by the minor is irrelevant. It is the responsibility of the adult to know the situation is not just morally wrong but illegal.
I just want to flag here, that Destiny should not be used as a source on morality for the age of consent. Homie literally said that if you lobotomize a fetus before birth, it's not immoral to use it as a pleasure toy during his conversation with Trent Horn.
Uhhhhhhhhhh, welp, definitely fact checking this and coming back. Brb, hopefully
Jesus, what
Sick! (in the most horrible way)
@@catsotoriousI don't think he used the word lobotomize, but yeah he said that if a baby never became conscious, the there was nothing wrong about using it as a sx toy.
Someone mentioned destiny here? Rare! Someone mentioned Trent Horn? Amazing! You are 100% right though. Destiny isn't really a trustworthy person.
I find it insane how people think just because the victim doesn’t know he was groomed, that must mean Ava is innocent. If anything, that just means she was an expert level groomer if she was able to convince him that her behavior was okay. No doubt he wasn’t her only victim.
Yeah, his name is Chris
@@sherockowmy name is Freddie fivebear
he aint innocent
Also the victim signed an NDA a while back with Mr Beast and obviously has motivation to brush it off.
@@sherockow you and the other agents of the Adversary need to return to your home, and leave this discussion to actual humans
i was gr**med at the age of 14 as well by a stranger online. i didn't think that anything was wrong with it. but now, looking back at it as a 23 year old, i cannot imagine ever doing the things that were done to me at that age. absolutely disgusting. i used to be a kris defender and thought she was so brave to transition in public, but this is horrific. i hope she goes to jail where she belongs.
Yeah, a men's prison.
Yeah, a men's prison.
Where He belongs.
Sneako is so annoying
A fellow sunbro speaking the truth
@@gygfyyhh sneako doesn't participate in jolly cooperation
here before the sneako ball lickers😭🙏
Looking at Sneako makes me angry in general
@Sun_Bro69 i bet sneakos a moonveil user 😡
I'm technically part of the LGBT community, and I've had it up to here with people tip-toeing around the subject (not you, I mean, generally speaking). It puts the whole of LGBT in a bad light. It frustrates me that so many people rather not say anything bc they fear of getting called x-phobic something.
Just because you're LGBT doesn't mean you're absolved from any wrong-doings. Esp. not this type of wrong-doing! People need to learn to keep politics out of this shxt! And it doesn't help if media outlets such as Rolling Stone focus on trxnsphobia instead of the actual issue at hand........................ The LGBT community needs to call this out! (Some do, but many don't dare.)
Because it's a hard topic to talk about, what Kris did os obviously bad, the problem is not "defending our side", but rather that people will attack our very existence because an individual in "our group" did something bad. The perpetrator is not being attacked for what they've done, but rather because they're in the community, at least partly or as a starter.
I can't talk for anyone but I feel like many people don't like talking about this not to defend the criminal or ignore them but because it'll have to turn into defending themselves just because they're in the same community
I respect you for saying this. I truly wish more of the community would stand up against the craziness.
im trans and a majority of us call this kind of thing out, I feel like people always assume we coddle other people just for being lgbt but we really dont lol. If someone is a bad person we shun them, easy as
@@NorthernCheese its not really our job to do so, its not like we have anything in common with these people besides also being lgbt. everyone should be calling this out because its horrible
Ik this is a serious topic but i love ur clay pfp@@NasaIStrip
2024 will forever be remembered as The Year of the PDFiles
@squibbelsmcjohnson Thanks my bad 😂😂 The year is unhinged
@@Stennolio yeah
And remember in 2023, Colleen Ballinger stuff...
@@andrewhorn4549 The whole ukulele, cringe non apology video plus denying all evidence of grooming.. definitely unforgettable
@@Stennolio ya ikr
I like how oompaville doesn't use the situation as an excuse to deadname
That honestly seems to be the least of anyone’s concerns, but to be honest, I didn’t even realize that they had completed “changed” for a lack of a better word
Kris using LavaGS saying he hasn't been groomed as a defense is disgustingly sinister. Whether or not Lava believes himself a victim or not doesn't excuse Kris's behavior, and taking the non-apology route while trying to take advantage of their alleged victim is vile.
Oftentimes, the victim doesn't know they're being/they were groomed.
"Omnipresent, Omnipotent, and Omnipotent" 😭😭
but with a different intonation hahhahaa
"😛"
Was looking for this lol
Oompa loompa
I appreciate your comments about culture war here. This is respectable content.
“Omnipresent, omnipotent, and….omnipotent”. Nailed it 😂
was waiting for someone else to catch that haha, no one ever remembers omniscient
@@jonathanjellison466we used to learn omniscient stuff in school 😂
I laughed at that too
he was looking for omniscient. (non native speaker, might be wrong on the word)
@@jonathanjellison466 oh, you beat me to it. :)
I think it’s one of those scenarios where Lava still admires Kris so he doesn’t realize he is a victim, maybe once he matures he’ll realize that what happened was messed up.
Yeah, he probably won't realize until he has kids of his own. That's when your perspective on so many things change, and most victims of groomers don't even realize they were groomed ... Which is the entire point of grooming. Chris should be investigated by actual law enforcement cause I guarantee there's more skeletons in his closet.
More and more, I am proud of my decision to keep my children away from social media. How many adults use their platform to act creepy with children? Probably more than we will ever know.
Stay away from the children!!!!😡
Let them watch continue watching Mr Beast tho since all he did was know and not do anything
@@CatlystStormz5That's bs! If it was my kid, I would want him canceled!
How tf you got kids watching oompaville
Let your children on the internet just keep them away from like discord servers( some of them not all of them) and remind them of what predators are and to stay away from them
@@Idostopmotion557wow. What great advice 🙄
It’s that simple, is it ?
ofc lava said he wasnt groomed, groomers make the kids feel that way.
9:44 is nobody gonna mention that oompa said omnipotent twice but just pronounced it in different ways thinking they were two different things 😭
💀💀
I was wondering if he was making a joke😭💀
He meant Omniscient
just homeschooled kid things hahaha
I was looking for the exact comment
Trying not to message minors in 2024 challenge impossible
I don’t get why these people aren’t in jail
@@Takaichi666- the legal system is really dumb and just doesn't work the way it's intended sometimes
This coinciding with the revelation that Kris was into Shadman correlates because a not tiny number of edgy 4chan types are trans, which goes to show that gender dysphoria isn’t in fact tied to your politics, and that predatory behavior toward children can be found in every single demographic. Fame, money, and power seems to exacerbate the occurrence of predation, however.
Fame, wealth, power. The king of the pirates had it all.
People with poor seggusual urge control being predators, coincidence? 🤣
A vast majority of people claiming they're trans don't have gender dysphoria. They're the equivalent to someone shaving their head bald to get attention by claiming they have cancer.
or exacerbating the chance of you hearing from it. tge incidence of predators could be higher in not famous population, but you wouldn't know it since nobody talks about it when a random talks to a teen...
I guess Sneako forgot about his Cuties take
A wife who gets assaulted by her husband will say she isn't a victim.
This.
I've known people in abusive relationships who defend their abusers. That doesn't make the abuse not abuse
Nobody believes u that’s why.
Abusers behave like animal predators.
Charisma, and also ur scared.
And after my experience at a dv shelter where one of the workers said I wasn’t pretty enough to be a victim,
I outright told my abuser to just… get it over with.
Police are also useless.
So just.. now u know I guess
yes true but in this case we cant just say "lava ur a victim u dont have a saying in that" bc without any further info we cant say for certain if he was groomed or not and we cant tell and force somebody to feel a certain way only bc we think that is what the person should feel. Not saying that Lava still is a victim of inapproriate behavior through Kris just not right now a victim of grooming.
Because victim has become a word with negative connotations
@@CHloE748its always been negative
Pr3d: (gets caught)
Also Pr3d: “Uh…uuuh, it was a minor inconvenience!”
Everyone else: “Yeah, we know!”
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This situation is a clear reflection of how convoluted the internet can get. The waves of misinformation combined with personal narratives make it hard to discern the truth. It's frustrating to see behavior like Ava's that seems inappropriate, which in turn impacts everyone involved.
And with AI and other things, it's much more worse to decern truth these days.
Eh you all need to help and love eachother, if you saw someone sick would you disregard them or get them help by government services? I don’t believe in a bad person unless they are deliberately being bad (in other words, Ignorant to their wrongs)
Man Oompa is the best, he and Kris are legit the only TH-camrs that I know the can cover these sorts of topics and know with full confidence that it ain't gonna be biased because theirs is a trans woman in the video. I also love how he continues to use her correct pronouns even though she has clearly done some very questionable things, a lot of other TH-camrs have instead weaponised the pronouns which is disgusting
More information is coming out about this, another minor that was in the discord has screenshots that directly go against what Lava said and this person has said there are more screenshots to come, including proof of an NSFW discord chat where "corn" was frequently spammed by Tyson to multiple minors. While Lava may not feel like a victim, if the screenshots are real, Lava and multiple other minors are victims.
What is pretty annoying and upsetting is that Lava basically dismisses all the allegations creating excuses. Simply he is not a victim. And that we should be focused on "real victims." I don't care if he thinks perv*rted humor is acceptable among minors in 2016, CHRIS WAS NOT A MINOR. It is not okay, Kris should be cautious and mindful to keep minors safe. Minors making perve*ted jokes to each other, well this is different in my opinion since I understand this. We all experienced edgy humor in highschool, some of us even turning to d*ugs and s*x. We have no control over a minors heart and free will, but we do have control as adults to make a choice and keep kids safe from predators
As a minor you can convince yourself easily you weren’t a victim of grooming when you were.
I love how oompa talks about serious stuff but puts some comedy aspects in so it’s not just boring old talking about stuff and getting board 8 minutes in this man is the only person who can make me watch an entire informative video
hey oompa. seriously appreciate the care in which you handle this stuff.
If you take the L out of Lava you get Ava. Wake up people
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you’re on to something….
@@sniffingyourbuttcheeksnah hes ON something
😧 YOURE RIGHT, THE PROPHECY!
Katt williams was right he said 2024 is the year of accountability. Its just gonna keep going and going
A minor cannot consent. That is the law. Setting that aside, it doesn't matter if a minor "thinks" they've been groomed or not, it is a matter of objective fact. Even adults are clueless to situations where they are a victim often times, you think a child can tell?
You CANNOT talk sexually, as an adult, to a MINOR. That on it's own is already a crime.
If that wasn't enough, there is a clear pattern of behavior here. I don't care about internet outrage, people can do as they like and you aren't entitled to approval on the internet.
From a legal aspect though, this is far more than enough to warrant criminal investigation.
Hes 20, not minor, old enough to understand what happened
@@yourfriendgus7238 lava wasn't 20 at the time of the grooming, a 20 year old who was a victim is still likely unable to recognize that fact.
aoc varies. so idk what you mean by that.
the law is someone at that age in that area can. below it you cant
@@playernotfound9489 naturally if you're of the age to consent, you aren't legally a minor.
@@b00g3rs21 in Germany ig at 14 you arent legally a minor...
Ive been doing research on this subject to try and develop a video that is meant to be a quicker version of this for those who are attention deficit as myself, so im glad my favorite youtuber made a video so that i can know if my information is right
I had no idea Sneako was born from the Mr.Beast brand.
ikr my jaw dropped finding that out
Yeah it’s shocking that guy was there
it seems like at one point he was a relatively normal, self aware guy. unfortunately he didn't stay that way for very long
Someone said "sneako can't form his own opinion and just takes on the opinions of people around him" and honestly nothing could be truer
@@TheDoctorDavey that begs the question
Who gave him his opinion in the aoc
First sneako said he likes cuties and defended it and now he's talking about lowering the age of concent to a "developed age".
They need to check his hard drive next
He never said lower it, if anything a developed age would be older because humans brains fully develop at like 25. I hate to say it but yall are twisting his words
@@MRCY223sounds Like you're a child diddler
@@MRCY223 still liked and defended the movie cuties, knowing that it doesn't seem that far fetched that he wants the age of consent lowered. Also when asked he didn't want to answer what he meant
@@MRCY223 25, lol, now youre twisting his words, he probably means smth like 16
@@MRCY223the only thing is he didn’t say what was a developed age and knowing sneako he probably thinks something under 18. if he doesn’t want us twisting his words then maybe don’t support pedos?
Once again breaking news: ukelele sales skyrocket as more youtubes get caught for coming in contact with cupcakes
same goes for social media handlers who put out copyright strikes and make spoof emails
“I wasn’t groomed” sounds like something somebody who was groomed would say. Like…you kind of can’t ask “were you groomed?” You can ask about most abuses but if you are groomed then you are groomed to feel a certain way about it all so that talking about it feels wrong, weird, off or even shameful.
“It was normal guys! It was all normal! Come on! I wasn’t groomed, it was normal for a teen to have an adult talking to them about inappropriate things! Everybody experiences that, right guys? No? You’re just jealous. Stop making it weird. Stop making it seem weird. Leave me alone. Go away.”
Strangers aren’t the ones who need to help victims unravel that trauma.
you're putting a lot of words into his mouth. he never said anything about it being normal or about jealousy he just didn't want people to assume he was a victim because mind you the events happened almost 10 years ago and he is a full grown adult capable of self reflection and understanding the concept of grooming. i'm sure he also has friends he talked about before he made the tweet saying he wasn't groomed. you act like this came out a few months after it happened and that lava hasn't gone several years without interacting with the mr beast crew. You should give people more credit he didn't come out acting like he was defending kris but rather just simply stating he doesn't want people to auto assume he was groomed because he is able to reflect and look back on all his interactions which we can't do and yet he still says he wasn't groomed. if we had more damning evidence then maybe we could argue he was but all we have is weird messages in groups and servers and out of pocket jokes or remarks with very few of them being directly remarked towards lava. grooming would have a lot more evidence and we would actually have messages of kris trying to calm down lava and explain to him that this stuff is normal or okay. don't overblow this all and don't speak for lava because you want to assume he was groomed when we have no reason to not believe him other than your feeling
I’m a 14 year old boy and someone is messaging me asking for a pic of my “sausage” idk what to do
@@bloxstarluke bruh. Just say no and that you're underage simple as. If they keep asking tell an adult you trust and or just stop interacting with that person
A child saying I'm not a victim is not how that works.
they are 20
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@@joener6968 but a minecrafter when it happened. No excuses.
True. It took me until my late 20s to realize how badly I was groomed.
Brain isn't fully developed till you're 25, and even then, if you have mental health issues, it can be even older, @joener6968
9:40 bro really said "omnipotent" two different ways and counted it as two different words I'm dead
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Lol, caught that too. The word he meant to say was Omniscient.
Someone that is 34 is messaging me on discord and im 14
I’m a 14 yr old boy and theres a 34 year old guy asking for d pics of myself, but i don’t wanna give him pics
@@bloxstarlukeReport his account and block him. If you know him in real life at any stretch, have your parents take you to the police to file a restraining order.
wish he had talked about how shadman drew nsfw of ACTUAL REAL KIDS instead of the fictional stuff
Where is your focus? He briefly addressed the keemstar situation but said the whole thing couldn’t be included in the video. Most people with any sort of hearing comprehension skills got what he meant.
That is probably the thing he had to cut out of the middle of the video. Also, 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
“Omnipresent, omnipotent, and… what’s the other one? Omnipotent.”
"I was not groomed. I am not victim. I was asking for it" -Every grooming victim in history.
To be fair, also everyone who wasn't groomed.
Dr. Krisrespect is incredible
EVERY groomed kid will testify that they're not groomed... that's literally what they're groomed to think
This is why I love oompa. He actually finds factual evidence
I think it can very difficult for a victim of grooming to realize they are one, especially when there hasn’t been a lot of time that’s passed. I think lava was groomed. At the worst Ava groomed him, at the best he had a very inappropriate relationship with a child that is inexcusable and wrong. Ava Tyson deserves cancellation and possibly jail time
“DrKrisrespect” caught me off guard 💀
Love seeing the Hasan Piker community downplay this as simply "inappropriate talk with a minor" instead of what it is: Literally the same kind of inappropriate talk with a minor that Dr. Disrespect did. I wonder why they don't want to equate the two?
We have a lot more information about Ava’s situation than anything with DrDisrespect. We have chat logs from Discord, Reddit posts, twitter posts and just strange connections from Ava to a CP artist who she public endorsed. I haven’t seen anything expect DrDisrespect just saying it’s true.
its the trans/lgbt aspect isnt hasan that one libtard right ?
Yeah hasan pikers day is coming
@@roscoeorginal*kris, don’t show respect to a child predator, let’s be fr
@@brd6184 ava being a disgusting predator doesnt change the fact that theyre a trans woman though. You cant just take away a trans person's identity once you find out theyre a terrible person, thats indicates that you dont view trans identities as legitimate and instead something you can give or take away depending on the person's moral character. Think of it this way, nobody started to referring to Dr Disrespect as a woman once they found out he was a creepy predator, because yes he is a predator, but he is still a man. Just like how Ava / Kris is a creepy predator, but she is still a woman. Although in fairness I think Ava said they dont mind being referred to by the name Kris either, but it sounded like you were implying we should refer to her as a man just because she's a disgusting creep. Anyone of any identity can be a predator, that doesnt change their gender / identity.
Jimmy knew, they’ve been friends for 16 years
Also I think lava is saying they’re not a victim because they’re young when they’re 30 they’ll look back and realize they were a victim
Right, and people who have become actual adults know this.
Actual adults don't prey on children for any reason.
Right, and people who become actual adults don't prey on children for any reason.
Yeah. I've been groomed twice (8 and 11), didn't even realize it until recently.
@@TheKoiCatDragon I’m so sorry to hear about that I hope you’re doing better now
@@atomicmark Thanks, fortunately it hasn't affected me too much
“Omnipresent, Omnipotent and…. Omnipotent(said a little differently)” 9:40 😭
😂😂 ikr? Probably meant omniscient but still funny
Ik I thought I was the only one who saw that 😂😂
haha exacly, the third one should be omniscient
Or he did it for you to interact with the video 🤔
On that algorithm grind 👍
I love oompa man 😂
People are so surprised at the amount of people being caught, but just think about the ones who don't.
I love oompavile he’s like the only TH-camr that actually covers this type of stuff