This movie answer a question I never asked but now I'm glad I know the answer of "Would I like a somewhat toned down Evil Dead with Marvel budget?" yes, yes I would.
If I had one issue with the movie(and for me it was honestly a pretty sizable issue), it was the sheer weight of the MCU (and more!)weighing it down. But damnit, when Raimi goes full Raimi it’s pretty freaking great. (SPOILERS INCOMING turn back people who haven’t seen it) when Wanda just starts unceremoniously murdering the shit out of the Illuminati or when Strange possesses the corpse of his alt and gives himself batwings made out of damned souls, it gave me true joy.
I love when a movie betrays its marketing in a GOOD way, IE: presents as much simpler to appeal to a wider audience, only to pull the rug out and reveal a secret depth.
Warning for parents: This movie earns its higher than normal age rating. There is at least one scene here which makes me think Sam Raimi was a big fan of Omni-Man's scenes in 'Invincible'.
Sam Raimi was a horror director long before Superhero stuff and an old school comic fan and considering Doctor Strange has always been dark it was designed for horror so yeah it'll get bloody.
I feel like the only reason the characters that got bodied by Wanda where chosen was because their powers and physical makeups allowed for a near PG 13 massacre by Wanda.
Don’t forget to show Danny Elfman some love. He did some stuff on the score, one action scene in particular, that was unlike anything I’d ever heard in a movie before.
i'm a sucker for fight scenes that really encorporate the music, like that one sword fight from pirates that's timed to the music, and the music scene in this was amazing! the creative ways they use strange's powers is awesome!
I saw this movie in a small town movie theater, the place is fine but it's not great. That one scene alone made me consider going to a bigger town with a better theater, just to see and hear it again in higher quality :D
Outside of *that* scene tho, Elfman is really just going through the motions I thought. Giacchino's score from the first film (which was teased in No Way Home and Ragnarok) gets completely abandoned here even tho it's way more interesting than anything Elfman comes up with to replace it. It's especially disappointing since the last MCU movie we got was No Way Home and Giacchino goes out of his way in that one to bring back Elfman's theme from the original Spider-man trilogy. Not cool, Elfman. Not cool.
@@whateverreally1347 there was a few good moments like some use of certain previous theme songs, but yeah...theres only two MCU scores in my playlist, and that's iron man 3's credit music, and Dr. Strange's theme.
To me, while Wanda was definitely the antagonist in this movie and seeing her curb stomp everyone around her was very impressive, to me this movie showed what decades of repeated trauma can do to a person. Wanda isn't an evil person, she's just a very damaged person who is desperately trying to grasp that one moment in time she felt happy and safe. Does that make what she did okay? Hell no. But you can understand and sympathize with her, and that's something that makes this movie shine.
Sounds like she's become the best metaphor for such a damaging set of circumstances since the Universal Monsters version of Frankenstein's monster. Also has shades of Magneto in X-Men First Class.
Yep. She grew up in a literal warzone and watched her parents get blasted to pieces at the ripe old age of 10, that would do things to a mind that would mess someone up epically without tacking on losing her brother and then having to blow Vision's head off for nothing. As you said, it doesn't make what she did justified at all, and just like Strange pointed out in the movie, the reasoning she gave was that of a villain they normally face, which is correct. But villains can be just as fun to enjoy as heroes (sometimes moreso), so ain't nothing wrong with that.
@@natf7942 The best villains are the ones who don't think they're evil, because you know that in their mind everything they're doing is right and justified and in some way you can understand why they're doing what they're doing.
Right? Its almost as if its supposed to be a Doctor Strange sequel, not an "Avengers Ensemble" film. Plus, we're supposed to be getting our own MCU 616 versions of these characters. So giving these variants a ton of screen time isn't exactly a good thing, its wasted potential to get attached to fleeting characters. Especially if their entire purpose is to be fodder for the character development of another already established character. It frustrates me that people are writing off this film just because "muh tom cruise iron man wasn't in it" Bruh. We just got comic accurate Black Bolt. What more do people want?!?!
I think too the scheduling might mess with how people see this movie, because it has now come out long after the “build up” of WandaVision, Loki, What If, and No Way Home. We are 3 years removed now from Endgame, so some people might really want the next BIG IMPORTANT Marvel movie … when this is a pretty straightforward Doctor Strange 2
I hate krazinkskie or whatever his name is. CIA boot licking stooge. Dude suuucks and I was sooo happy to see him die. EF HIM! And the way he died was hilarious. POP! And the rumors that nick cage, or tom cruise, or jim carrey showing up somehow? That would have been MUCH worse! Those guys suck even more than that first a hole I mentioned lol. Glad those were just rumors and never made it into the actual movie. But black cap marvel, the lovely Hayley Attwell, and that tuning fork head guy? Wonderful lololol. And who hates professor x? Come on that was great! I heard huge jackass did some stuff for the film but it got cut because he sucks I guess lol I dunno. Huge jackass always sucked as wolverine until Logan happened lol. And even that movie kind sucked in the villain department but whatever...
@@natf7942 I was kind of expecting Tom Cruise as Superior Iron Man as part of some casual speculation I saw around. Also I thought it might look cool visually. But I was happy for who did end up appearing in this installment and thought the producers made wise choices. I still would've liked Tom Cruise Iron Man, but I think they chose wisely for what we got for that scene in question.
I'm honestly impressed with the fact that you didn't launch into an "I told you so" dance after mentioning that Scarlett Witch is the villian of this movie
I'm really glad Marvel didn't go soft in this. Witch's schtick is literally losing her sh*t and ripping apart reality to make things the way she wants it. She isn't something ch evil as she is severely traumatized in a way that cannot really be fixed and her trauma tends to get triggered and can literally create new personalities in the process. We are at the point in her arch where naratively she should break, and not at a point where we can do House of M. Unless the big reveal is that we have been under House if M all along, and she is the reason the mutants aren't around (haven't seen it yet, going this weekend). It was pretty clear she was the villain in this the moment she was announced as part of the cast. They did do a really good job of obfuscating that with the trailers, to their credit.
@@chaserseven2886 oh penises. You are talking about penises in a TH-cam video about super heroes. Does Bob often make you think about penises? Was it Shuma Gorath/Gigantes? Tentacles your thing? Did all the blood and violence make you think about penises?
Indeed. Not every one of these films needs to be about the hero going through some kind of journey of self discovery. Dude is a wizard-superhero. His 9-to-5 is interesting enough on its own.
@@Robert-hz9bj And even then he did still have development about accepting what you have instead of living in a constant state of thinking about what could've been. Wanda took it to the extreme, and the Strange at the end did as well, so it was nice to see him let go of Christine and move forward with his life... only to run into Clea, his comic love interest. Good timing, eh?
Dr Strange will return, written at the end of the credits, reminded me of James Bond films, where it's written at the end of the credits, James Bond will return.
The last time a marvel movie made me this uneasy was when Thanos got the reality stone, this was horrifying at times because of the visual impact and the new permanence the characters suffer. These characters were against something unspeakable that they cannot fathom the mind melting strength of and you feel pity and dread for all involved.
This was a fun movie. Agreed. Everything Everywhere All At Once still feels like the better of these premise movies this year. But this movie wins a very honorable second place with all the visuals and Sam Raminess the MCU let him get away with. Those along with all the visuals were the major highlights. Would love if Marvel just gave Rami an open invite to comeback whenever in the event he'd want to make another one of these movies.
My only problem with this movie is the size of what is motivating Wanda and the size of what she's willing to do to get it. It seems so disproportionate, especially for a character that at one point valued human life. Especially when you realize she could have just asked America to do her a solid and gotten what she wanted without killing anyone.
I thought it was delightful. My favorite MCU movie since Endgame. Just the right amount of horror and fanservice in and around a fairly straightforward narrative of "save the kid."
Similar feelings Jason! And I went in thinking it would be meh like the first Dr. Strange but no. WAYYYY better than the first movie and totally up there in my top 5 fav mcu films I'd argue. Maybe I'm just honey moon phasing but I really really liked it and have next to nothing for criticism. Just impatient questions. I wanna learn more about that multiverse jumping girl. Who the hell is she really and how did she get that power exactly or maybe we're not supposed to know yet? I guess? Crazy lol. Loved this movie. Good job Sam! He always delivers entertainment and even if it's dumb a lot of the time haha, it's still great. I know folks cringed at emo spider man dancing in the street and yes, it was cringe, but admit it, you're never going to forget that hilarious shiz lololol.
It's not talked about nearly enough but this movie fixed two of the most complained about issues with MCU films - namely the weak third act of just punching the big CGI monster to save the day and the Marvel's weak villain problem. With all the character build up in previous installments Wanda turned out to be a great and convincing villain, she was doing horrible crap but damn do you still want her to be happy. Elizabeth Olsen absolutely knocked it out of the park with her performance in this film as she was both frighteningly scary and powerful yet fragile at the same time. Also it can't be a coincident where Wanda was defeated by the smallest and lamest physical attack possible with a completely lack of special effects in these superhero films, that HAS to be intentional. Too bad people will just keep harping on how they did it dirty to the meaningless cameos and thus this film is trash - even when the MCU had been telling you one variant doesn't mean everything in the multiverse multiple times over and over again.
Oh man, are people really saying the movie was bad because there weren't enough cameos? If that's what a bad movie makes then gimme more of them. I was worried there'd be too much focus taken off the important characters just for some fanservice, but what they did with the cameos worked perfectly and they had the right amount of screentime. I do also love that the big fight at the end wasn't huge in scope, they did that earlier and went for the more low-key ending with this, so that was a good change of pace.
@@natf7942 People aren't complaining about the lack of cameos but the quality of the cameo. They were expecting the Illuminati will be a force to be reckon with and some probably already established a head canon from all the over-analysed blurry screen grabs of "OMG it's Tom Cruise as Superior Iron Man!!!!1111" that the Illuminati was going to be the "big bad final boss" and there's going to be the same old "punch CGI monsterzzz" final fight of Dr Strange/Wanda team up against an evil Illuminati, so when it didn't happen that way they got pissed and dismiss the movie outright, saying how the movie did the Illuminati dirty and that the movie is a mess etc, but really it's only "bad" in the way that it subverted their expectation, but the film was awesome for doing exactly that - the "Marvel plays it too safe", "it's not dark enough", "it's too quibby" etc criticism doesn't apply here and yet they whine about it louder than ever before. It's like the "It's Maphiesto!" cycle of WandaVision all over again where people is so down on their prediction and when it turns out wrong they blame the film for not writing a story to their head canon and it's extremely frustrating watching these complaints and I hope to god Marvel don't take those criticism to heart and learn the wrong lessons because they finally found a new framework to reinvent their formula and I really wish they can stick with this.
@@nanaholic01 People writing the movie in their heads and theorising to hell and back and then being mad that the movie didn't do what they imagined themselves is truly the worst. It's the spoiler and theory culture at work and it's exactly why I watch the first trailer only and try to avoid as much theorising and information as possible while still hanging in the fandom on the edges. I doubt stuff like this would affect the actual films and series, Feige will know better than that. It is funny people work themselves into a lather over things they're convinced will happen and then shit their pants when it doesn't. I have been there before but I learnt my lesson many years ago about the dangers of convincing yourself something is going to happen and then it doesn't, hence the avoiding of as much as I can. Maybe one day these people will learn to do the same lol.
@@natf7942 An excellent quote which sums up that mindset's dangers: "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."--Phillip K Dick
I hated the movie because it shat on Wanda's excellent portrayal and journey up to this point; the first Dr. Strange movie was nearly entirely irrelevant, with the 1 What If episode being the only previous content applicable to this film specifically. Also Strange was largely inconsequential. Olsen's performance was fantastic but her turn to evil wasn't in character for the Wanda of the previous films or her show. Just changing which Wanda was committing mass murder would improve this film greatly.
The music scene was my least favorite scene in the movie. The whole theater was just quiet trying to process how anticlimactic the fight was. I think it was stupid visually and wholly unimpressive
@@killnotic Best looking super hero movies out there are visually unimpressive apparently lol. Crash is either a clown or his eyes are similar to Orrin Hatch's.
At this point it’s seemingly necessary for title characters to “find themselves” over and over again with each entry. I’m glad it wasn’t the main theme of this movie, and I’m bummed out it looks like that’s what the next Thor movie is about. Again.
I love how wanda remained the Villain for the entire film and they didn't do a cop-out, doing something like mind control or possession being the source of her evil. They made her a real Villain with a tragic story and she had to confront her own actions.
Hey I know this isn't the type of content you do, but I wish you would make a long ass video about the Young Justice tv show. So many interesting things happening there and I'm sure you would have strong opinions
I have to say, I didn't care for Wanda going full villian, as the comic version has being put continuously through the wringer for the last like 20, 25 years in the comics. Has felt continuously mean spirited And the movies having avoided that, has being one of my favourite parts of the mcu and made Wanda into one of my favourite mcu characters And now I'm worried that, the comics seeing doller signs will walk back Wanda characterization over the last few year that has made her more of a trubbled anit hero if not out right good guy. Back into crazy, Von, crazy pants Don't say that wont happen. Look at civil war 2. That only existed to cash in on the MCU, same with Infinity And I'm not even sure if anyone read Infinity
Honestly, is it just me or does Doctor Strange seem to be the most active supporting character in the Marvel universe? I’m just saying because almost everyone goes to him for things but he’s never the center focus aside from his solo films. Having said that can we get more of that? I know that it’s hard given actors’ schedule but I mean a majority of these heroes live in NY! I need more interaction between between them.
As someone who really wishes Wanda hadn't gone dark and hopes she somehow comes back, I still really loved her in this film and it works really well. Also, anyone watching saw the cracks at least as far back as Infinity War and End Game. She was thankful she got dusted and then just raging grief against Thanos to the point that she was going to rip him into pieces, to the entirety of Wanda Vision... She was never staying a hero.
I was mostly under the impression that Wanda is a villain in this movie insofar that she’s become corrupted by the Darkhold, which was also demonstrated to have corrupted alternate versions of Doctor Strange, not that she’s necessarily made a heel turn to permanent evil
Gonna echo a lot of the sentiements here. A fun, albeit at times brutal and rather gory take on the MCU formular. As someone who had grown somewhat weary of said formular, this was actually refreshing, this was just Strange being a hero, no unnessesary setup required, doing what he could to solve a problem, while going to some rather dark places and grim visuals, agree with the rating.
Bonus subtext: She's a witch using her past trauma to justify her actions who gets her power from a book with like a million copies and a secret castle built in her image.
I believe you made a prediction video about it, and I would love to see a video where you discuss where you were right and where things were different than your predictions!
Bob, thank you for the super concise review at the start, it has helped me with a few movies where I immediately closed your video after the concise review to go see it then come back to watch your video after.
For many it may hinge on that one sequence but i'm glad that's what Raimi did with it. Also good coincidence or just good lateral marketing? because we had two Star Trek shows this week as well, one finale and one premiere. I felt the pacing with Wanda's villain turn was a bit fast but overall still fine. Anyway that "classical music" fight was very clever and inspired and then that "Dream Walk" final sequence is pure uncut Sam Raimi, it's goofy, gross and terrifying at the same time.
It isn't a fast turn if you had seen the Wandavision series, all the seeds where laid there, of course one shouldn't have had to see a tv show to understand a movie, and you don't , but having seen it gives you more context to the turn.
@@HimmelGanger I get that but I still think the pacing involved felt a bit quick, I felt it could've left open how much Wanda was involved and how long Stephen should be trusting her on the matter. It's more an issue of the blocking of the scene if anything.
I think they handled her turn quite well. It's believable after what we saw in WandaVsion, that the temptation in her exists and therefore possible to be 'nudged' in that direction by the Darkhold. That context also ensures the character isn't robbed of agency or absolved of any responsibility for her actions.
Indeed, contrary to what Agatha Harkness told her, evil is a choice rather than a destiny. One can both sympathize with why such a choice is made and still recognize the harm it does to others.
It was awful. The portrayal of the children was awful, her basically going through the very same process she ALREADY went through by the end of Wandavision was awful, them killing off yet ANOTHER Female character just as she became interesting was awful and I was at no point actually afraid of Wanda because I care way too much about her to be terrified. And the pacing was awful too. You could have cut the movie by half without loosing ANYTHING important. You know what would have been brave? If after fighting Wanda the whole movie, it turns out that acutally Dr. Strange is the one in the wrong and her actions were justifyable because this time around, SHE was the one who saw the bigger picture. But nope, they went for the most predictable, boring and insulting ending possible.
@@swanpride Wanda is as dead as Loki was when he fell off the Bifrost. And when he got stabbed in TDW. Which is to say zero. She's zero dead. I'd bet a large amount of money she'll get a redemption arc, she's a popular character and Loki got a good one so we've seen it happen before. I've enjoyed her tragic trajectory, parents killed when she was young, having to live in a warzone, going against the Avengers because she was manipulated by a villain that worked due to the loss she'd suffered and then losing her brother, then having to kill Vision and coming back after five years. Her breakdown in WV made total sense and then in that show they made it clear the dark hold was corruptive and foretold of her going down a dark path. If anything, the fact that she was able to realise what she'd become and done wrong at the end of MoM is good because it's better than what happened with Sinister Strange and about equal with Supreme Strange accepting his fate after fucking up majorly. Strange's arc in MoM was realising that while he might have to take some drastic measures to save the world (when he dreamwalks at the end, just like how he used the time stone at the end of his first movie to save the world), he has to be careful to not go too far otherwise what he does could easily overcome him and lead him down a path he either couldn't or it would be difficult to come back from, I'll be interested to see where they go with that third eye setup. If Loki can come back from trying to genocide his own people then working with Thanos to take over earth, then Wanda very much can being that the dark hold was what made her go so evil. There was an opening she gave it due to the pain of all she lost, but when you see it having done the same to a Strange, you know it's not just "her" being evil but it being an incredibly corruptive force that's hard to get out of once it gets you. I love redemption arcs so I'm looking forward to seeing where she goes moving forward.
@@natf7942 They put her through the wringer in WandaVision until she processed her grief and found redemption. Then this film erases that character development to make her a cartoonishly evil megavillain. Why is she suddenly obsessed with getting her children back but *not* her husband? Did she *only* learn to get over Vision's death and nothing else? This movie rushed through all of the emotional beats and turned Wanda into a two-dimensional villain, while meanwhile Strange constantly tempts fate but gets away with it because "trust me bro!" including with the same Darkhold. It's not OK in telling a story to justify Wanda's villain turn with "the Darkhold did it" and then make the same item tempt the hero too, only he survives because he's lucky or virtuous or something? That's terrible, lazy writing.
I really enjoyed it, was definitely more different than what I was expecting, even with all the talk of who the obvious villain for the movie would be. Very enjoyable, and Bruce Campbell is awesome as always!
I just saw it and i bloody loved it. I'd been waiting for this since Strange and Wanda were introduced and it didn't dissapoint! And this really felt like a Sam movie, all the way down to the PG-13 deaths and body horror (all of which were just great imo) while also being damn right fun!
Spider-man No Way Home wasn't just a cameo fest and the cameos served the story but nonetheless love your take on this movie definitely glad I saw it twice in theaters Sam Rami worked his magic again
There's something distractingly weird about your audio in this one. It has that characteristic "ringing" sound of an audio codec running at too low a bit rate (remember 96Kbit MP3 files? A bit like that). Could be your mic, or it could be your encoding settings. Might want to check them both. If you're using the AC3 audio codec (most common in MP4 video files), don't go below 128Kbits/sec. That said: I know it's only been two weeks but, nice to have you back.
I don't know how long you've been watching Bob for, but his video production quality has been pretty consistently terrible for the 12-odd years I've been watching him.
@@EvanBlax Yeah, I kinda wish Bob accepted more direct donations. I have a couple of side-address condensers here I'm not using that he might be able to put to good use. OTOH, though his videos have low production values compared to almost everything else, _he still makes them,_ which speaks well to his devotion and passion for his subjects.
In your description of this film, Mr. Chipman, it strikes me that Strange is taking on a dark mirror of the Ancient One in Wanda. Like his deceased mentor (and mother figure), Wanda has become a powerful force by using dark energies no sane person should even THINK about messing with. It's just that this time...well, "things got out of hand."
@The Creator I got absolutely no hate vibe for Sam Raimi from Mr. Chipman on this one. Christ's sake, Spiderman 1 and 2 are enough to ensure that will likely never happen from the latter. YOUR hate vibes, OTOH, could solve the energy crisis with their power. Accept that you are quite alone in giving a fuck about Sam Mendes at this late date and MOVE ON.
@The Creator You pay a price for doing it your way. Every ACTUAL creator out there--as opposed to you, pretender--understands this and expects no immediate reward for such. Indeed, the work IS often the reward. So expect to be waiting anywhere from 20 years to never for the rest of the world to come around to where you are. I doubt you got the stamina for such.
@The Creator Bringing up a pair of completely unrelated films to bolster your argument is how you lose said argument. It's too much like blaming the existence of oxygen for a forest fire. Both films cited started off with the odds stacked against them anyway...what auteur would have bothered with either?
I recall that Bob actually predicted the main villain by pointing out Multiverse of Madness spells out MoM. Not sure if it was intentional by Marvel, but still amazingly prescient.
@@louisduarte8763 Another fun fact is that Marvel released the movie in Japan one day ahead of its Children's Day national holiday. What a way to hammer in the point.... mother and children.
I swore that when I was in the theater I heard Dr. Strange say "Aren't you from the 60s?" to *spoiler* but I just checked the cam version and he only said "Didn't you chart in the 60s?"
Dude, just submit to the podcaster model and get a better mic. I don't really care if there's a mic in your face in the video if the audio quality is much better than it is during this video. Had to rewind it several times because so much sounds so muffled and I don't want to turn up my car speakers just so I can get some clarity.
This movie had me on the edge of my seat. But I was totally under the impression that we were meant to understand that “reading the Darkhold makes you evil/crazy and that is why Wanda is acting like a villain” because towards the end of the movie, you that going evil/crazy was the fate of a totally different person in the multiverse who read the book too, and people warn Strange not to read the book because that would put him at risk for turning evil
I get the impression that Wanda's supposed to come across as still culpable for her actions, because the book may have corrupted her, taken to a very dark and selfish place, but it wasn't literally controlling her, she still made the choices.
@@BlueScarabGuy Which is how it works for ANYONE who has been put through that kind of psychological ringer. Regardless of what might push you, the final decisions are always yours.
Wanda already was a villain because of her actions in WandaVision. Sure Strange handwaves that away but the hundreds to thousands of people living in that town who were mind controlled including children I doubt they are 'over it'.
It goes full circle with the first Doctor Strange. The Ancient One tapped into the Dark Dimension, but because she had a good conscience, it didn't corrupt her and she used it to do the right thing, even though Mordo couldn't conceive of the idea. The same thing happens with Strange and the Dark Hold book.
@@rayelgatubelo I also feel like Strange's third eye, being a classic horror-movie type stinger ending, also did show that Strange wasn't entirely unscathed from using the book. Wanda and the other strange used it excessively, so no wonder they turned evil. Strange used it once and now he's got that third eye, and who knows what that may lead to in a future movie
My wife always fully jumps for jump-scares. There was a point in the movie where I could tell there was a jump scare coming in a few seconds, and my wife had the cup of soda in her hands. I turned "Uh, hand me the soda." Two seconds after she did? *JUMP*
My only major complaint is that I would've liked to have seen the nature of the multiverse produce a "good" Wanda to battle the now-evil one we got. More minor complaint is that the MCU seems to be too ready to completely erase the gains of entire arcs when new stakes happen (see: everything won in Ragnarok meaning diddly squat thanks to the arrival of Thanos). In this case, despite the end of WandaVision seeming to teach Wanda lessons about letting go and how she can't destroy or control other peoples' lives just so she can have what she wants, it seems like she's completely forgotten or tossed all of that out the window and gone full-bore into "I will slaughter anyone and everyone to make my imaginary kids real again" super-villainy. Yes, the point could be made about the Darkhold corrupting, yadda-yadda, but it just irks me that the only thing that seems to have come from WandaVision is implanting the idea of these kids into her mind and nothing else. Oh, and I would've liked to have seen a return of Vision in some manner, since his story is/was so intrinsically linked to hers.
Yeah, it really felt like lazy writing to turn back Wanda's characterization like that, ignoring the fact that she already *did* this over Vision and then got better. Every time I saw her dream of her kids but *not* Vision just pulled me out of the movie, because she was retreading exactly the same ground that she did with him. Leaving Bettany out of the movie, but then rehashing the Vision grief plot, was just weird and distracting. It would not have been better *with* Vision because they're still just going over old ground, but it was just incoherent without him.
@@beezany I can only assume they did it without Vision because he probably could've gotten through to her, or in worst case stopped her, and they didn't want that.
Haha! I see what you did there... I can see you choose your words very intentionally and spoiled the hell out of this without actually spoiling it... Respect
I haven’t been to a 3D movie in years and I saw this on a “4DX 3D screen”. I can’t tell if my tastes have changed or if the tech is better, or if this was a particularly good 3D treatment. Does anyone with more 3D cinema experience have thoughts on this?
Wanda's character assassination alone makes this probably my least favorite Marvel film. Primarily since Wandavision worked so hard to intelligently NOT make her the crazy lady whose only motivation is her uterus, only to have this film make that her only character trait. Not to mention actually introducing 2 books that instantly get erased as the McGuffins they are and Dr. Strange being useless primarily to the plot. The plot was a circuitous excuse for Strange to meet alternate versions of himself who are just slightly mean so he can learn to not be mean. But also becomes corrupted by the evil book and does not really do anything wrong because of it? The movie makes the accurate case that Strange is the most dangerous person in any universe. And the evilest version it presents is the one that might kill himself in other worlds? After seeing the What If Strange literally destroys an entire universe he was extremely tame. The more I think about this movie the more I hate it.
Same. I was really bummed out by this one. Cheap fanservice cameos and schlock horror gore and comedy... none of it really worked together as a whole and just felt discordant. By the end, the campy Raimi cheese was so extreme I mentally checked out and was glad it was only two hours.
Overall a great movie, something I kind of forgot until I actually saw the movie is that Sam Reimi's version of "horror" has always kind of been equal parts horror, comedy, and action. The only real complaint I have with the movie (MINOR SPOILER) is that Wanda is only interested in getting her sons back; aside from a single line about how she had to kill Vision in order to try to stop Thanos Wanda never brings him up in this movie after that. It makes me wonder what her reaction would have been if in the middle of her mission Wanda not only found her boys but also Vision alive and well, how would she react and could Viz have stopped her from doing any more harm? Also, the fact that this movie with a villainous grieving mother came out the week before Mother's Day. Just...wow.
I think there is a real parallel with the original Dark Phoenix story. Take a long established female character, power her up to god-level, then watch as power corrupts and she becomes the villain. And in the end she sacrifices herself to save the universe from her power. It’s a shame Sony could never get it right with the X-Men films. They were in too much of a hurry to get to the ‘hero turns evil’, without taking the time required for us to accept and care for her first.
I appreciate that most people in here liked it. I guess I’m the one holding the unpopular opinion in this case: i loved a lot of the Raimi visuals but really struggled to like this movie overall. The dialogue really made me cringe and pulled me out of the movie when I was trying to get invested.
And both of you say you didn't like it and don't go into detail as to why. Lame... Yall are cringe. At least make a argument instead of something as vague as whahaaaa I hated it or whaaaa dialogue! Details losers... Details!
You are not alone. Easily the worst MCU movie since the Incredible Hulk (and frankly, I would rather rewatch that one than going through this borefest again, at least that one was not as insulting). It had really everything I hate about Raimi on full display: Shallow characters (and it is really an art to turn characters which were already layered in prior installmants that flat), cringy diologue (NO child talks like that), scenes which just went on too long (frankly, usually I complain about the MCU not allowing scenes to breath, but that was the other extreme, we really didn't need countless shots of the damn door waiting for the predictalbe jumpscare), no sense of pacing (you could have thrown out half of the scenes without loosing anything important), and an utterly predictable ending.
@@swanpride I felt like a lot of scenes in the first act were cut short to rush into the next bit of action, without letting the emotional beats land. The movie never had emotional stakes for me, because it felt too much like mashing action figures together. Really annoyed at how it flattened both Wanda and Strange. Some scenes were fun but didn't really stick because of the lack of emotional weight, and there was way too much time spent on striking poses, reaction shots to striking poses, and so on.
Wanda *was* being influenced by something. The film explicitly states that the Darkhold 'has her'. Wanda bears a lot of blame for choosing to use it in the first place, but its corruption of her was a big part of the full-on villain mode.
I was never under the impression Wanda was 100% under her own control here. It is stated again and again that the Darkhold corrupts people who read it, Doctor Strange is warned not to read it as it corrupted an alternate Doctor Strange, and just being the Scarlet Witch is kind of implied to be something that is supposed to make you go potentially insane. Like c’mon. There are simpler ways for a woman who looks like Elizabeth Olsen to have some kids
Yeah there was that memory scene which implied the red darkness had overwhelmed her. But I wasn’t sure if it was a trick. Little shocked a version of Agatha didn’t appear to tie things back into Wanda’s story.
It was a lot of fun, could b´perhaps used a liiiiitle bit more on why/how Wanda went so totally over to the genocidal dark side - but ultimately a very satisfying and poignant end. Raimi fell so comfortably back into the Marvel movie universe helped launch I was absolutely shocked out of my seat in the second haf of the movie where he brought in his horror bonafides in a manner that will probably traumatise a new generation of kids (they'll get over it). 8/10 indeed.
I felt like the movie showed as much as it needed to with regard to how Wanda went bad: her longing for her kids sent her down a rabbit hole straight to hell via The Darkhold. Also I only saw it once but I don’t recall her going into full genocide mode. She only kills people she feels are stopping her from her goal. That’s it.
@@jeffreycarey1680 That didn't work for me at all. Why is she obsessed with getting her kids back but not Vision? It's literally retelling the story of WandaVision only faster and worse. Every time they showed her dreams of living with the kids but *not* Vision, it just pulled me out of the movie because the only obvious reason for that choice is that they were able to cast the kids but not Paul Bettany. It's lazy writing and cheapened the emotional stakes of the movie.
Your comment about Wanda hunting America a Latina teen kinda blows my mind on another level considering both of these characters are white washed. America is supposed to be half black and Wanda is supposed to be Jewish Romani and in that context Wanda *spoilers*spoilers*spoilers* spends the entire movie committing blood libel. Oh what fun 🤦🏾♀️
I'm holding off on actually watching this until I watch the movie, but I'm playing this on mute in another tab so you can have the view count. Thank you for all your quality work.
Just got back from seeing this and it was fucking fantastic. Possibly my new favourite marvel film. The final action scene feels like pure Sam Raimi goodness. And of course Bruce Campbell makes an appearance. You knew he would!
I had missed all the behind the scenes drama. I should have guessed it when Campbell did his compulsory cameo but instead kept thinking "this really feels like a Sam Raimi film!" Forehead still hurts from when the credits started rolling.
Hey Bob... you doing alright? I'm a long time watcher of your work and I'm noticing a, I don't know, I guess a weird vibe coming from you here. I sincerely hope you are well.
This is a Sam Raimi film from start to finish. Almost to an alarming degree. No spoilers, but there were moments where I wondered how this got passed the MPAA. And this is coming from a longtime Evil Dead fan.
Would love to see a shot by shot break down of the Strange/Chaves skip through multiple universes. Would also love to see a break down of the Illuminati and how they stack up against comic book versions.
I have not seen this movie yet, but I want to say something. I hate the Scarlet Witch goes evil storyline, in the comics even if I continue to hold judgment for the movie. It comes around to two things that bob himself said in two different videos and one thing I noticed from Wandsvision. Power in a woman goes crazy as a metaphor for female hysteria from an episode on She-hulk and a text box from another video that I will discuss shortly. He is right that all to often a woman with power goes crazy in fiction. Too much actually. why can't a powerful woman just be. the second is from a video I don't remember except for a text box coming from the mouth of the Phoenix saying more or less that "I would be the second red head with world shaking powers that when crazy, I am less problematic now." No, THAT MAKES IT WORSE. It makes you look lazy because you cant think of ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM ON TOP OF THE PROBLIMATIC HYSTERIA METAPHOR!!! The final part is the witch trial for Agatha in Wandavision, in that it is a trial of witches for a witch by witches. To me that stinks of whitewashing the problematic history of witch-hunts and thus the archetype of the wicked witch. Especially since they flatten Agatha from a nuanced chaotic neutral character in the comics into a cartoonish caricature of a "wicked witch"
Power in Wanda didn't drive her crazy - her love for her children/family did. It's just a continuation of the thread that's left hanging from WandaVision but also something that's haunted her since her very introduction in the MCU. Think about it - she volunteered herself to Hydra because she lost her parents, the lost of her brother and Vision drove her to create a fictional happy escape world in WandaVision, and now the idea that it's possible she can use the powers which she already had to regain what she lost then drives her mad here in Multiverse of Madness. She essentially has the same motivation as Wenwu in Shang-chi - their love and grief of a loved one drove them over the edge, except Wanda's character arch absolutely earned here because they paved that path for sooooo long.
@@johnathonhaney8291 I'm pretty sure her getting snapped for five years actually didn't mentally hurt her at all as she doesn't have anyone else to live for. When Thanos snapped you can see Wanda was actually sort of glad she got dusted because she didn't have a reason to live without Vision - she was happy she can die and be with Vision. Her coming back only to find out what Vision planned for them and that she in fact has to continue living without Vision was the straw that broke her heart and made her create the scenario of WandaVision. It's also something that isn't quite touched upon because people assumed everyone wanted to be brought back from the snap, but Wanda is one of those rare exception that she was probably happier being dead then being brought back to life to live out her misery, which only further adds to her traumas.
I was dissappointed in this film. But mostly cause the beginning was weak. They should have started with Wanda reading the darkhold and hearing the kids. Cause this was the emotiinal narrative and for people that haven"t seen WandaVision it came out of the blue. Also if you haven't seen "What if" sone of dr Strange emotional narrative was missing. This combined with a bit weak (how stupid they acted in understimating Wabda aka. the Scarlet Witch) A bit of rework the script to improve this point would have helped to make it a really good movie. So for me it is only mehh while the last part of the movie makes it ok.
@@martinwinter615 because the TV series already explored this flaw in Wanda and redeemed it. It’s a betrayal of her character development during the show.
@@beezany you forget she left with the darkhold and was reading it and as dr Strange said. The darkhold has corrupting influence. You could see it like the ring from LotR. So the desire to see her kids was amplified this combined with the dreams that magical gifted people seem to affect more since multivers happened.
@@martinwinter615 that’s lazy writing that hurts characterization. And it gets lazier when the hero uses the exact same magic book to resolve the conflict. It makes the whole plot arbitrary. The book caused the conflict and then ended it too.
To me, the lack of development or a fully formed arc for Strange was balanced out by the wall-to-wall wierdness on display everywhere else, which is what I go looking for in a movie called Doctor Strange. I love that Sam Raimi came out to play here and if they give him Strange 3 or even Secret Wars (as it’s rumored), we will be all the better for it.
This movie answer a question I never asked but now I'm glad I know the answer of "Would I like a somewhat toned down Evil Dead with Marvel budget?" yes, yes I would.
Why would anyone want to tone down and nutter Evil Dead?
@@sudevsen I mean, Army of Darkness already kinda was that and it was also great.
@@SpedeVesku
This right here.
If I had one issue with the movie(and for me it was honestly a pretty sizable issue), it was the sheer weight of the MCU (and more!)weighing it down. But damnit, when Raimi goes full Raimi it’s pretty freaking great. (SPOILERS INCOMING turn back people who haven’t seen it) when Wanda just starts unceremoniously murdering the shit out of the Illuminati or when Strange possesses the corpse of his alt and gives himself batwings made out of damned souls, it gave me true joy.
@@SuperSecretAgentNein I know right ? so fucking Metal !
Never thought of “not having an arc” could be a positive, this was an interesting perspective!
I love when a movie betrays its marketing in a GOOD way, IE: presents as much simpler to appeal to a wider audience, only to pull the rug out and reveal a secret depth.
Warning for parents: This movie earns its higher than normal age rating. There is at least one scene here which makes me think Sam Raimi was a big fan of Omni-Man's scenes in 'Invincible'.
for real, when I walked out of that I was like "wait was that an R rated film?" and had to actually double check
Or they were a fan of Sam Raimi
Sam Raimi was a horror director long before Superhero stuff and an old school comic fan and considering Doctor Strange has always been dark it was designed for horror so yeah it'll get bloody.
Yikes. Anything as bad as the end of episode 1? Bc that made me stop watching.
I feel like the only reason the characters that got bodied by Wanda where chosen was because their powers and physical makeups allowed for a near PG 13 massacre by Wanda.
Don’t forget to show Danny Elfman some love. He did some stuff on the score, one action scene in particular, that was unlike anything I’d ever heard in a movie before.
i'm a sucker for fight scenes that really encorporate the music, like that one sword fight from pirates that's timed to the music, and the music scene in this was amazing! the creative ways they use strange's powers is awesome!
bruh...that fight scene was great... cant wait to rewatch and listen it :P
I saw this movie in a small town movie theater, the place is fine but it's not great. That one scene alone made me consider going to a bigger town with a better theater, just to see and hear it again in higher quality :D
Outside of *that* scene tho, Elfman is really just going through the motions I thought. Giacchino's score from the first film (which was teased in No Way Home and Ragnarok) gets completely abandoned here even tho it's way more interesting than anything Elfman comes up with to replace it.
It's especially disappointing since the last MCU movie we got was No Way Home and Giacchino goes out of his way in that one to bring back Elfman's theme from the original Spider-man trilogy.
Not cool, Elfman. Not cool.
@@whateverreally1347 there was a few good moments like some use of certain previous theme songs, but yeah...theres only two MCU scores in my playlist, and that's iron man 3's credit music, and Dr. Strange's theme.
"Unraveling audience expectations"
I see what you did there
Yup.
To me, while Wanda was definitely the antagonist in this movie and seeing her curb stomp everyone around her was very impressive, to me this movie showed what decades of repeated trauma can do to a person. Wanda isn't an evil person, she's just a very damaged person who is desperately trying to grasp that one moment in time she felt happy and safe. Does that make what she did okay? Hell no. But you can understand and sympathize with her, and that's something that makes this movie shine.
Sounds like she's become the best metaphor for such a damaging set of circumstances since the Universal Monsters version of Frankenstein's monster. Also has shades of Magneto in X-Men First Class.
Yep. She grew up in a literal warzone and watched her parents get blasted to pieces at the ripe old age of 10, that would do things to a mind that would mess someone up epically without tacking on losing her brother and then having to blow Vision's head off for nothing.
As you said, it doesn't make what she did justified at all, and just like Strange pointed out in the movie, the reasoning she gave was that of a villain they normally face, which is correct. But villains can be just as fun to enjoy as heroes (sometimes moreso), so ain't nothing wrong with that.
@@natf7942 The best villains are the ones who don't think they're evil, because you know that in their mind everything they're doing is right and justified and in some way you can understand why they're doing what they're doing.
…and we are still looking forward to Wanda killing close to a million mutants! COMICS ARE WEIRD!!!!!
I could understand what they were attempting to do, but it felt kind of clunky.
It's really good, and I thought it was a better film NOT having nearly as many cameos as most people expect. The one sequence we do get is enough.
Right? Its almost as if its supposed to be a Doctor Strange sequel, not an "Avengers Ensemble" film.
Plus, we're supposed to be getting our own MCU 616 versions of these characters. So giving these variants a ton of screen time isn't exactly a good thing, its wasted potential to get attached to fleeting characters. Especially if their entire purpose is to be fodder for the character development of another already established character.
It frustrates me that people are writing off this film just because "muh tom cruise iron man wasn't in it"
Bruh. We just got comic accurate Black Bolt. What more do people want?!?!
@@CBreezie The people who write the movie off because it doesn't have goddamned Tom Cruise in it don't deserve good things.
I think too the scheduling might mess with how people see this movie, because it has now come out long after the “build up” of WandaVision, Loki, What If, and No Way Home. We are 3 years removed now from Endgame, so some people might really want the next BIG IMPORTANT Marvel movie … when this is a pretty straightforward Doctor Strange 2
I hate krazinkskie or whatever his name is. CIA boot licking stooge. Dude suuucks and I was sooo happy to see him die. EF HIM! And the way he died was hilarious. POP!
And the rumors that nick cage, or tom cruise, or jim carrey showing up somehow? That would have been MUCH worse! Those guys suck even more than that first a hole I mentioned lol. Glad those were just rumors and never made it into the actual movie. But black cap marvel, the lovely Hayley Attwell, and that tuning fork head guy? Wonderful lololol. And who hates professor x? Come on that was great!
I heard huge jackass did some stuff for the film but it got cut because he sucks I guess lol I dunno. Huge jackass always sucked as wolverine until Logan happened lol. And even that movie kind sucked in the villain department but whatever...
@@natf7942 I was kind of expecting Tom Cruise as Superior Iron Man as part of some casual speculation I saw around. Also I thought it might look cool visually. But I was happy for who did end up appearing in this installment and thought the producers made wise choices. I still would've liked Tom Cruise Iron Man, but I think they chose wisely for what we got for that scene in question.
Dr. Strange does have an arc. He has to learn to move on and trust others to do the right thing.
I'm honestly impressed with the fact that you didn't launch into an "I told you so" dance after mentioning that Scarlett Witch is the villian of this movie
I'm really glad Marvel didn't go soft in this. Witch's schtick is literally losing her sh*t and ripping apart reality to make things the way she wants it. She isn't something ch evil as she is severely traumatized in a way that cannot really be fixed and her trauma tends to get triggered and can literally create new personalities in the process.
We are at the point in her arch where naratively she should break, and not at a point where we can do House of M. Unless the big reveal is that we have been under House if M all along, and she is the reason the mutants aren't around (haven't seen it yet, going this weekend).
It was pretty clear she was the villain in this the moment she was announced as part of the cast. They did do a really good job of obfuscating that with the trailers, to their credit.
@@PatriciaCross i bet you love it when they go hard :)
@@chaserseven2886 oh penises. You are talking about penises in a TH-cam video about super heroes. Does Bob often make you think about penises? Was it Shuma Gorath/Gigantes? Tentacles your thing? Did all the blood and violence make you think about penises?
@@PatriciaCross Well said!
Why would he? We all knew it.
I really like the James Bond comparison- captures this movie feeling like a “day in the life” for Strange.
Indeed. Not every one of these films needs to be about the hero going through some kind of journey of self discovery. Dude is a wizard-superhero. His 9-to-5 is interesting enough on its own.
I like the idea that is just his life. Like his response to this is just a groan and a "its one of those days"
I agree. I loved it. Much as I like this era in cinema,its nice to have a simple back to basics status quo adventure.
@@Robert-hz9bj And even then he did still have development about accepting what you have instead of living in a constant state of thinking about what could've been. Wanda took it to the extreme, and the Strange at the end did as well, so it was nice to see him let go of Christine and move forward with his life... only to run into Clea, his comic love interest. Good timing, eh?
Dr Strange will return, written at the end of the credits, reminded me of James Bond films, where it's written at the end of the credits, James Bond will return.
The last time a marvel movie made me this uneasy was when Thanos got the reality stone, this was horrifying at times because of the visual impact and the new permanence the characters suffer. These characters were against something unspeakable that they cannot fathom the mind melting strength of and you feel pity and dread for all involved.
Well said, it's just a gut punch.
I’ve been waiting for Bob’s review specifically.
And this is _exactly_ what I was hoping to hear.
F**k yeah!!!
This was a fun movie.
Agreed. Everything Everywhere All At Once still feels like the better of these premise movies this year. But this movie wins a very honorable second place with all the visuals and Sam Raminess the MCU let him get away with. Those along with all the visuals were the major highlights. Would love if Marvel just gave Rami an open invite to comeback whenever in the event he'd want to make another one of these movies.
My only problem with this movie is the size of what is motivating Wanda and the size of what she's willing to do to get it. It seems so disproportionate, especially for a character that at one point valued human life. Especially when you realize she could have just asked America to do her a solid and gotten what she wanted without killing anyone.
Bob I noticed you didn't toot your own horn here but you did call this a few years ago. Well done!
I'll go watch it first, then check your review. Glad to know it's good and that you enjoyed it!
Cheers from Spain
"Unravelling those expectations. " You're a monster Bob.
I thought it was delightful. My favorite MCU movie since Endgame. Just the right amount of horror and fanservice in and around a fairly straightforward narrative of "save the kid."
Similar feelings Jason! And I went in thinking it would be meh like the first Dr. Strange but no. WAYYYY better than the first movie and totally up there in my top 5 fav mcu films I'd argue. Maybe I'm just honey moon phasing but I really really liked it and have next to nothing for criticism. Just impatient questions. I wanna learn more about that multiverse jumping girl. Who the hell is she really and how did she get that power exactly or maybe we're not supposed to know yet? I guess? Crazy lol. Loved this movie. Good job Sam! He always delivers entertainment and even if it's dumb a lot of the time haha, it's still great. I know folks cringed at emo spider man dancing in the street and yes, it was cringe, but admit it, you're never going to forget that hilarious shiz lololol.
It's not talked about nearly enough but this movie fixed two of the most complained about issues with MCU films - namely the weak third act of just punching the big CGI monster to save the day and the Marvel's weak villain problem. With all the character build up in previous installments Wanda turned out to be a great and convincing villain, she was doing horrible crap but damn do you still want her to be happy. Elizabeth Olsen absolutely knocked it out of the park with her performance in this film as she was both frighteningly scary and powerful yet fragile at the same time. Also it can't be a coincident where Wanda was defeated by the smallest and lamest physical attack possible with a completely lack of special effects in these superhero films, that HAS to be intentional.
Too bad people will just keep harping on how they did it dirty to the meaningless cameos and thus this film is trash - even when the MCU had been telling you one variant doesn't mean everything in the multiverse multiple times over and over again.
Oh man, are people really saying the movie was bad because there weren't enough cameos? If that's what a bad movie makes then gimme more of them. I was worried there'd be too much focus taken off the important characters just for some fanservice, but what they did with the cameos worked perfectly and they had the right amount of screentime.
I do also love that the big fight at the end wasn't huge in scope, they did that earlier and went for the more low-key ending with this, so that was a good change of pace.
@@natf7942 People aren't complaining about the lack of cameos but the quality of the cameo. They were expecting the Illuminati will be a force to be reckon with and some probably already established a head canon from all the over-analysed blurry screen grabs of "OMG it's Tom Cruise as Superior Iron Man!!!!1111" that the Illuminati was going to be the "big bad final boss" and there's going to be the same old "punch CGI monsterzzz" final fight of Dr Strange/Wanda team up against an evil Illuminati, so when it didn't happen that way they got pissed and dismiss the movie outright, saying how the movie did the Illuminati dirty and that the movie is a mess etc, but really it's only "bad" in the way that it subverted their expectation, but the film was awesome for doing exactly that - the "Marvel plays it too safe", "it's not dark enough", "it's too quibby" etc criticism doesn't apply here and yet they whine about it louder than ever before. It's like the "It's Maphiesto!" cycle of WandaVision all over again where people is so down on their prediction and when it turns out wrong they blame the film for not writing a story to their head canon and it's extremely frustrating watching these complaints and I hope to god Marvel don't take those criticism to heart and learn the wrong lessons because they finally found a new framework to reinvent their formula and I really wish they can stick with this.
@@nanaholic01 People writing the movie in their heads and theorising to hell and back and then being mad that the movie didn't do what they imagined themselves is truly the worst. It's the spoiler and theory culture at work and it's exactly why I watch the first trailer only and try to avoid as much theorising and information as possible while still hanging in the fandom on the edges.
I doubt stuff like this would affect the actual films and series, Feige will know better than that. It is funny people work themselves into a lather over things they're convinced will happen and then shit their pants when it doesn't. I have been there before but I learnt my lesson many years ago about the dangers of convincing yourself something is going to happen and then it doesn't, hence the avoiding of as much as I can. Maybe one day these people will learn to do the same lol.
@@natf7942 An excellent quote which sums up that mindset's dangers: "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."--Phillip K Dick
I hated the movie because it shat on Wanda's excellent portrayal and journey up to this point; the first Dr. Strange movie was nearly entirely irrelevant, with the 1 What If episode being the only previous content applicable to this film specifically. Also Strange was largely inconsequential. Olsen's performance was fantastic but her turn to evil wasn't in character for the Wanda of the previous films or her show. Just changing which Wanda was committing mass murder would improve this film greatly.
It was awesome! Weird, imaginative, and smart. I mean, the 'music' scene alone... Just awesome!
The music scene was my least favorite scene in the movie. The whole theater was just quiet trying to process how anticlimactic the fight was. I think it was stupid visually and wholly unimpressive
@@crashoverride2345 Well, the obvious question I have is: what was your favorite scene?
@@killnotic Best looking super hero movies out there are visually unimpressive apparently lol. Crash is either a clown or his eyes are similar to Orrin Hatch's.
At this point it’s seemingly necessary for title characters to “find themselves” over and over again with each entry. I’m glad it wasn’t the main theme of this movie, and I’m bummed out it looks like that’s what the next Thor movie is about. Again.
I love how wanda remained the Villain for the entire film and they didn't do a cop-out, doing something like mind control or possession being the source of her evil. They made her a real Villain with a tragic story and she had to confront her own actions.
My favorite part was Mr. Fantastic from the office getting his stuff trapped in Jello for a change.
Seeing it tomorrrrow! Can't wait for some Raimi madness
@ 5:22 I literally laughed with childish glee at this part of the movie. No spoilers of course but it was a lot of fun.
Hey I know this isn't the type of content you do, but I wish you would make a long ass video about the Young Justice tv show. So many interesting things happening there and I'm sure you would have strong opinions
I have to say, I didn't care for Wanda going full villian, as the comic version has being put continuously through the wringer for the last like 20, 25 years in the comics. Has felt continuously mean spirited
And the movies having avoided that, has being one of my favourite parts of the mcu and made Wanda into one of my favourite mcu characters
And now I'm worried that, the comics seeing doller signs will walk back Wanda characterization over the last few year that has made her more of a trubbled anit hero if not out right good guy.
Back into crazy, Von, crazy pants
Don't say that wont happen. Look at civil war 2. That only existed to cash in on the MCU, same with Infinity
And I'm not even sure if anyone read Infinity
Honestly, is it just me or does Doctor Strange seem to be the most active supporting character in the Marvel universe? I’m just saying because almost everyone goes to him for things but he’s never the center focus aside from his solo films. Having said that can we get more of that? I know that it’s hard given actors’ schedule but I mean a majority of these heroes live in NY! I need more interaction between between them.
That's in line with how he is in the comics too. And it works.
He’s the main guy whenever the heroes run into anything magic or multiverse related. So yea.
Dr Strange was one of my favourites of phase three, so I'm glad he's finally getting his sequel 😊
As someone who really wishes Wanda hadn't gone dark and hopes she somehow comes back, I still really loved her in this film and it works really well. Also, anyone watching saw the cracks at least as far back as Infinity War and End Game. She was thankful she got dusted and then just raging grief against Thanos to the point that she was going to rip him into pieces, to the entirety of Wanda Vision... She was never staying a hero.
She lost too many anchors and that made her just...lash out.
I was mostly under the impression that Wanda is a villain in this movie insofar that she’s become corrupted by the Darkhold, which was also demonstrated to have corrupted alternate versions of Doctor Strange, not that she’s necessarily made a heel turn to permanent evil
Gonna echo a lot of the sentiements here. A fun, albeit at times brutal and rather gory take on the MCU formular. As someone who had grown somewhat weary of said formular, this was actually refreshing, this was just Strange being a hero, no unnessesary setup required, doing what he could to solve a problem, while going to some rather dark places and grim visuals, agree with the rating.
I didn’t think it was that gory. However I have been watching Lucio Fulci movies lately so maybe my perspective is a tad skewed.
Bonus subtext: She's a witch using her past trauma to justify her actions who gets her power from a book with like a million copies and a secret castle built in her image.
0:46 . Thank you, Bob! I'll come back and watch this later next week after I saw it!
I believe you made a prediction video about it, and I would love to see a video where you discuss where you were right and where things were different than your predictions!
I liked that the fan service was always important to the story and never messed up the tone.
Nice to watch 30 seconds of a review to find out what I wanted to hear
Bob, thank you for the super concise review at the start, it has helped me with a few movies where I immediately closed your video after the concise review to go see it then come back to watch your video after.
So are we getting a Moon Knight Review or Big Picture Esque type breakdown of all the influences to it?
For many it may hinge on that one sequence but i'm glad that's what Raimi did with it. Also good coincidence or just good lateral marketing? because we had two Star Trek shows this week as well, one finale and one premiere.
I felt the pacing with Wanda's villain turn was a bit fast but overall still fine.
Anyway that "classical music" fight was very clever and inspired and then that "Dream Walk" final sequence is pure uncut Sam Raimi, it's goofy, gross and terrifying at the same time.
It was incredible. Lord know it was a triumph to watch Raimi show us how its done.
It isn't a fast turn if you had seen the Wandavision series, all the seeds where laid there, of course one shouldn't have had to see a tv show to understand a movie, and you don't , but having seen it gives you more context to the turn.
@@HimmelGanger I get that but I still think the pacing involved felt a bit quick, I felt it could've left open how much Wanda was involved and how long Stephen should be trusting her on the matter.
It's more an issue of the blocking of the scene if anything.
Sorry, for me the "music duel" felt like old Mickey Mouse cartoon... and not updated enough to seem fresh. But, I am glad SOMEONE enjoyed it.
I think they handled her turn quite well. It's believable after what we saw in WandaVsion, that the temptation in her exists and therefore possible to be 'nudged' in that direction by the Darkhold. That context also ensures the character isn't robbed of agency or absolved of any responsibility for her actions.
Indeed, contrary to what Agatha Harkness told her, evil is a choice rather than a destiny. One can both sympathize with why such a choice is made and still recognize the harm it does to others.
They also really drive home how much the Darkhold corrupts, it destroyed two Stranges that we saw, so it makes sense it'd do the same to Wanda.
It was awful. The portrayal of the children was awful, her basically going through the very same process she ALREADY went through by the end of Wandavision was awful, them killing off yet ANOTHER Female character just as she became interesting was awful and I was at no point actually afraid of Wanda because I care way too much about her to be terrified.
And the pacing was awful too. You could have cut the movie by half without loosing ANYTHING important.
You know what would have been brave? If after fighting Wanda the whole movie, it turns out that acutally Dr. Strange is the one in the wrong and her actions were justifyable because this time around, SHE was the one who saw the bigger picture. But nope, they went for the most predictable, boring and insulting ending possible.
@@swanpride Wanda is as dead as Loki was when he fell off the Bifrost. And when he got stabbed in TDW. Which is to say zero. She's zero dead. I'd bet a large amount of money she'll get a redemption arc, she's a popular character and Loki got a good one so we've seen it happen before.
I've enjoyed her tragic trajectory, parents killed when she was young, having to live in a warzone, going against the Avengers because she was manipulated by a villain that worked due to the loss she'd suffered and then losing her brother, then having to kill Vision and coming back after five years. Her breakdown in WV made total sense and then in that show they made it clear the dark hold was corruptive and foretold of her going down a dark path. If anything, the fact that she was able to realise what she'd become and done wrong at the end of MoM is good because it's better than what happened with Sinister Strange and about equal with Supreme Strange accepting his fate after fucking up majorly.
Strange's arc in MoM was realising that while he might have to take some drastic measures to save the world (when he dreamwalks at the end, just like how he used the time stone at the end of his first movie to save the world), he has to be careful to not go too far otherwise what he does could easily overcome him and lead him down a path he either couldn't or it would be difficult to come back from, I'll be interested to see where they go with that third eye setup.
If Loki can come back from trying to genocide his own people then working with Thanos to take over earth, then Wanda very much can being that the dark hold was what made her go so evil. There was an opening she gave it due to the pain of all she lost, but when you see it having done the same to a Strange, you know it's not just "her" being evil but it being an incredibly corruptive force that's hard to get out of once it gets you. I love redemption arcs so I'm looking forward to seeing where she goes moving forward.
@@natf7942 They put her through the wringer in WandaVision until she processed her grief and found redemption. Then this film erases that character development to make her a cartoonishly evil megavillain. Why is she suddenly obsessed with getting her children back but *not* her husband? Did she *only* learn to get over Vision's death and nothing else? This movie rushed through all of the emotional beats and turned Wanda into a two-dimensional villain, while meanwhile Strange constantly tempts fate but gets away with it because "trust me bro!" including with the same Darkhold. It's not OK in telling a story to justify Wanda's villain turn with "the Darkhold did it" and then make the same item tempt the hero too, only he survives because he's lucky or virtuous or something? That's terrible, lazy writing.
Bob: "This movie is faster and weirder than the previous one."
Me: "Good enough for me, time to go see it!"
I really enjoyed it, was definitely more different than what I was expecting, even with all the talk of who the obvious villain for the movie would be. Very enjoyable, and Bruce Campbell is awesome as always!
It's a Sam Raimi movie so it might be obvious to some, but not everyone knows Bruce is in the movie ;)
For me this movie has the funniest end credit scene in the MCU and it's just 10 seconds of Bruce being Bruce
I just saw it and i bloody loved it. I'd been waiting for this since Strange and Wanda were introduced and it didn't dissapoint! And this really felt like a Sam movie, all the way down to the PG-13 deaths and body horror (all of which were just great imo) while also being damn right fun!
Spider-man No Way Home wasn't just a cameo fest and the cameos served the story but nonetheless love your take on this movie definitely glad I saw it twice in theaters Sam Rami worked his magic again
I think you get to do a victory lap on all the incursion talk.
There's something distractingly weird about your audio in this one. It has that characteristic "ringing" sound of an audio codec running at too low a bit rate (remember 96Kbit MP3 files? A bit like that). Could be your mic, or it could be your encoding settings. Might want to check them both. If you're using the AC3 audio codec (most common in MP4 video files), don't go below 128Kbits/sec.
That said: I know it's only been two weeks but, nice to have you back.
I don't know how long you've been watching Bob for, but his video production quality has been pretty consistently terrible for the 12-odd years I've been watching him.
@@EvanBlax Yeah, I kinda wish Bob accepted more direct donations. I have a couple of side-address condensers here I'm not using that he might be able to put to good use.
OTOH, though his videos have low production values compared to almost everything else, _he still makes them,_ which speaks well to his devotion and passion for his subjects.
Hey #moviebob, will you be review the foreign language movie RRR ? Everyone is going crazy about it, snd I would love to hear your thoughts on it.
You called it with Wanda
In your description of this film, Mr. Chipman, it strikes me that Strange is taking on a dark mirror of the Ancient One in Wanda. Like his deceased mentor (and mother figure), Wanda has become a powerful force by using dark energies no sane person should even THINK about messing with. It's just that this time...well, "things got out of hand."
@The Creator I got absolutely no hate vibe for Sam Raimi from Mr. Chipman on this one. Christ's sake, Spiderman 1 and 2 are enough to ensure that will likely never happen from the latter. YOUR hate vibes, OTOH, could solve the energy crisis with their power. Accept that you are quite alone in giving a fuck about Sam Mendes at this late date and MOVE ON.
@The Creator You pay a price for doing it your way. Every ACTUAL creator out there--as opposed to you, pretender--understands this and expects no immediate reward for such. Indeed, the work IS often the reward. So expect to be waiting anywhere from 20 years to never for the rest of the world to come around to where you are. I doubt you got the stamina for such.
@The Creator Bringing up a pair of completely unrelated films to bolster your argument is how you lose said argument. It's too much like blaming the existence of oxygen for a forest fire. Both films cited started off with the odds stacked against them anyway...what auteur would have bothered with either?
I recall that Bob actually predicted the main villain by pointing out Multiverse of Madness spells out MoM. Not sure if it was intentional by Marvel, but still amazingly prescient.
Doctor Strange: Other M
Details like that are rarely an accident.
And interesting timing that they unleashed this movie the weekend before Mothers' Day. Subtle, Marvel.
@@louisduarte8763 Another fun fact is that Marvel released the movie in Japan one day ahead of its Children's Day national holiday. What a way to hammer in the point.... mother and children.
What movie was he referring to that had its importance buffed up by a season of television?
I swore that when I was in the theater I heard Dr. Strange say "Aren't you from the 60s?" to *spoiler* but I just checked the cam version and he only said "Didn't you chart in the 60s?"
Dude, just submit to the podcaster model and get a better mic. I don't really care if there's a mic in your face in the video if the audio quality is much better than it is during this video. Had to rewind it several times because so much sounds so muffled and I don't want to turn up my car speakers just so I can get some clarity.
This movie had me on the edge of my seat. But I was totally under the impression that we were meant to understand that “reading the Darkhold makes you evil/crazy and that is why Wanda is acting like a villain” because towards the end of the movie, you that going evil/crazy was the fate of a totally different person in the multiverse who read the book too, and people warn Strange not to read the book because that would put him at risk for turning evil
I get the impression that Wanda's supposed to come across as still culpable for her actions, because the book may have corrupted her, taken to a very dark and selfish place, but it wasn't literally controlling her, she still made the choices.
@@BlueScarabGuy Which is how it works for ANYONE who has been put through that kind of psychological ringer. Regardless of what might push you, the final decisions are always yours.
Wanda already was a villain because of her actions in WandaVision. Sure Strange handwaves that away but the hundreds to thousands of people living in that town who were mind controlled including children I doubt they are 'over it'.
It goes full circle with the first Doctor Strange. The Ancient One tapped into the Dark Dimension, but because she had a good conscience, it didn't corrupt her and she used it to do the right thing, even though Mordo couldn't conceive of the idea.
The same thing happens with Strange and the Dark Hold book.
@@rayelgatubelo I also feel like Strange's third eye, being a classic horror-movie type stinger ending, also did show that Strange wasn't entirely unscathed from using the book. Wanda and the other strange used it excessively, so no wonder they turned evil. Strange used it once and now he's got that third eye, and who knows what that may lead to in a future movie
My wife always fully jumps for jump-scares. There was a point in the movie where I could tell there was a jump scare coming in a few seconds, and my wife had the cup of soda in her hands. I turned "Uh, hand me the soda." Two seconds after she did? *JUMP*
My only major complaint is that I would've liked to have seen the nature of the multiverse produce a "good" Wanda to battle the now-evil one we got.
More minor complaint is that the MCU seems to be too ready to completely erase the gains of entire arcs when new stakes happen (see: everything won in Ragnarok meaning diddly squat thanks to the arrival of Thanos). In this case, despite the end of WandaVision seeming to teach Wanda lessons about letting go and how she can't destroy or control other peoples' lives just so she can have what she wants, it seems like she's completely forgotten or tossed all of that out the window and gone full-bore into "I will slaughter anyone and everyone to make my imaginary kids real again" super-villainy. Yes, the point could be made about the Darkhold corrupting, yadda-yadda, but it just irks me that the only thing that seems to have come from WandaVision is implanting the idea of these kids into her mind and nothing else.
Oh, and I would've liked to have seen a return of Vision in some manner, since his story is/was so intrinsically linked to hers.
Yeah, it really felt like lazy writing to turn back Wanda's characterization like that, ignoring the fact that she already *did* this over Vision and then got better. Every time I saw her dream of her kids but *not* Vision just pulled me out of the movie, because she was retreading exactly the same ground that she did with him. Leaving Bettany out of the movie, but then rehashing the Vision grief plot, was just weird and distracting. It would not have been better *with* Vision because they're still just going over old ground, but it was just incoherent without him.
@@beezany I can only assume they did it without Vision because he probably could've gotten through to her, or in worst case stopped her, and they didn't want that.
Haha! I see what you did there... I can see you choose your words very intentionally and spoiled the hell out of this without actually spoiling it... Respect
"Unraveling expectations"
Oh, you magnificent bastard, you!
Looking forward to this. Awesome. Also glad to see all the technical stuff worked out, Bob.
I haven’t been to a 3D movie in years and I saw this on a “4DX 3D screen”. I can’t tell if my tastes have changed or if the tech is better, or if this was a particularly good 3D treatment. Does anyone with more 3D cinema experience have thoughts on this?
Wanda's character assassination alone makes this probably my least favorite Marvel film. Primarily since Wandavision worked so hard to intelligently NOT make her the crazy lady whose only motivation is her uterus, only to have this film make that her only character trait. Not to mention actually introducing 2 books that instantly get erased as the McGuffins they are and Dr. Strange being useless primarily to the plot. The plot was a circuitous excuse for Strange to meet alternate versions of himself who are just slightly mean so he can learn to not be mean. But also becomes corrupted by the evil book and does not really do anything wrong because of it? The movie makes the accurate case that Strange is the most dangerous person in any universe. And the evilest version it presents is the one that might kill himself in other worlds? After seeing the What If Strange literally destroys an entire universe he was extremely tame. The more I think about this movie the more I hate it.
Same. I was really bummed out by this one. Cheap fanservice cameos and schlock horror gore and comedy... none of it really worked together as a whole and just felt discordant. By the end, the campy Raimi cheese was so extreme I mentally checked out and was glad it was only two hours.
Does anybody know what he's talking about at 8:00? Moon Knight?
Hey, "Moon Knight" is awesome. >w>
Overall a great movie, something I kind of forgot until I actually saw the movie is that Sam Reimi's version of "horror" has always kind of been equal parts horror, comedy, and action. The only real complaint I have with the movie (MINOR SPOILER) is that Wanda is only interested in getting her sons back; aside from a single line about how she had to kill Vision in order to try to stop Thanos Wanda never brings him up in this movie after that. It makes me wonder what her reaction would have been if in the middle of her mission Wanda not only found her boys but also Vision alive and well, how would she react and could Viz have stopped her from doing any more harm?
Also, the fact that this movie with a villainous grieving mother came out the week before Mother's Day. Just...wow.
Also not a word about her brother quick silver.
Watched, enjoyed it, came back for the rest of the review.
I think there is a real parallel with the original Dark Phoenix story.
Take a long established female character, power her up to god-level, then watch as power corrupts and she becomes the villain. And in the end she sacrifices herself to save the universe from her power.
It’s a shame Sony could never get it right with the X-Men films. They were in too much of a hurry to get to the ‘hero turns evil’, without taking the time required for us to accept and care for her first.
It lacks emotional weight because Chthon never appears.
Thank you for the first bit. It's exactly what I wanted, I hope to see it tonight.
I appreciate that most people in here liked it. I guess I’m the one holding the unpopular opinion in this case: i loved a lot of the Raimi visuals but really struggled to like this movie overall. The dialogue really made me cringe and pulled me out of the movie when I was trying to get invested.
You’re not the only one, I hated it
And both of you say you didn't like it and don't go into detail as to why. Lame... Yall are cringe. At least make a argument instead of something as vague as whahaaaa I hated it or whaaaa dialogue! Details losers... Details!
But what about those sweet random guitar riffs at the end?
You are not alone. Easily the worst MCU movie since the Incredible Hulk (and frankly, I would rather rewatch that one than going through this borefest again, at least that one was not as insulting). It had really everything I hate about Raimi on full display: Shallow characters (and it is really an art to turn characters which were already layered in prior installmants that flat), cringy diologue (NO child talks like that), scenes which just went on too long (frankly, usually I complain about the MCU not allowing scenes to breath, but that was the other extreme, we really didn't need countless shots of the damn door waiting for the predictalbe jumpscare), no sense of pacing (you could have thrown out half of the scenes without loosing anything important), and an utterly predictable ending.
@@swanpride I felt like a lot of scenes in the first act were cut short to rush into the next bit of action, without letting the emotional beats land. The movie never had emotional stakes for me, because it felt too much like mashing action figures together. Really annoyed at how it flattened both Wanda and Strange. Some scenes were fun but didn't really stick because of the lack of emotional weight, and there was way too much time spent on striking poses, reaction shots to striking poses, and so on.
Saw it last night and loved it.
Wanda *was* being influenced by something. The film explicitly states that the Darkhold 'has her'. Wanda bears a lot of blame for choosing to use it in the first place, but its corruption of her was a big part of the full-on villain mode.
I was never under the impression Wanda was 100% under her own control here. It is stated again and again that the Darkhold corrupts people who read it, Doctor Strange is warned not to read it as it corrupted an alternate Doctor Strange, and just being the Scarlet Witch is kind of implied to be something that is supposed to make you go potentially insane. Like c’mon. There are simpler ways for a woman who looks like Elizabeth Olsen to have some kids
Yeah there was that memory scene which implied the red darkness had overwhelmed her. But I wasn’t sure if it was a trick. Little shocked a version of Agatha didn’t appear to tie things back into Wanda’s story.
There were a few moments that really pushed the limits of the PG-13 rating. Surprised it didn’t wind up R.
Stopping at 0:50 as directed but will be back after seeing it tomorrow. Super excited for it, thanks, Bob!
The gray in the beard works for you Bob. looking good.
It was a lot of fun, could b´perhaps used a liiiiitle bit more on why/how Wanda went so totally over to the genocidal dark side - but ultimately a very satisfying and poignant end. Raimi fell so comfortably back into the Marvel movie universe helped launch I was absolutely shocked out of my seat in the second haf of the movie where he brought in his horror bonafides in a manner that will probably traumatise a new generation of kids (they'll get over it). 8/10 indeed.
I felt like the movie showed as much as it needed to with regard to how Wanda went bad: her longing for her kids sent her down a rabbit hole straight to hell via The Darkhold.
Also I only saw it once but I don’t recall her going into full genocide mode. She only kills people she feels are stopping her from her goal. That’s it.
@@jeffreycarey1680 That didn't work for me at all. Why is she obsessed with getting her kids back but not Vision? It's literally retelling the story of WandaVision only faster and worse. Every time they showed her dreams of living with the kids but *not* Vision, it just pulled me out of the movie because the only obvious reason for that choice is that they were able to cast the kids but not Paul Bettany. It's lazy writing and cheapened the emotional stakes of the movie.
Did my speaker just broke or did Bobs mic dropped way to hard before recording this?
Your comment about Wanda hunting America a Latina teen kinda blows my mind on another level considering both of these characters are white washed. America is supposed to be half black and Wanda is supposed to be Jewish Romani and in that context Wanda *spoilers*spoilers*spoilers* spends the entire movie committing blood libel. Oh what fun 🤦🏾♀️
Blood Libel?
jfc, when it rains, it pours. Definitely _not_ touching this fuckin' film.
I'm holding off on actually watching this until I watch the movie, but I'm playing this on mute in another tab so you can have the view count. Thank you for all your quality work.
Are you counting his "review" of Jim Carrey's biggest movie ever? And I can give many other examples of why I barely watch Bob's videos any longer.
@@ssl3546 Yet here you are to grouse. Shouldn't you be doing something more productive than hate-posting?
Great sound and use of green screen!
Just got back from seeing this and it was fucking fantastic. Possibly my new favourite marvel film. The final action scene feels like pure Sam Raimi goodness. And of course Bruce Campbell makes an appearance. You knew he would!
This movie was so much fun!
I had missed all the behind the scenes drama. I should have guessed it when Campbell did his compulsory cameo but instead kept thinking "this really feels like a Sam Raimi film!"
Forehead still hurts from when the credits started rolling.
So, wizard version of Wile E. Coyote and The Roadrunner?
Loved his dig at The Batman.
I dont think anyone would begrudge you a victory lap for calling wanda as the villain and why literally over a half decade ago
Hey Bob... you doing alright? I'm a long time watcher of your work and I'm noticing a, I don't know, I guess a weird vibe coming from you here. I sincerely hope you are well.
"observing it's observable" LOL! Love it!
This is a Sam Raimi film from start to finish. Almost to an alarming degree. No spoilers, but there were moments where I wondered how this got passed the MPAA. And this is coming from a longtime Evil Dead fan.
Would love to see a shot by shot break down of the Strange/Chaves skip through multiple universes.
Would also love to see a break down of the Illuminati and how they stack up against comic book versions.
Well this did get me pretty damn excited for it, thanks Bob!
Engagement for the engagement god!
I have not seen this movie yet, but I want to say something. I hate the Scarlet Witch goes evil storyline, in the comics even if I continue to hold judgment for the movie. It comes around to two things that bob himself said in two different videos and one thing I noticed from Wandsvision. Power in a woman goes crazy as a metaphor for female hysteria from an episode on She-hulk and a text box from another video that I will discuss shortly. He is right that all to often a woman with power goes crazy in fiction. Too much actually. why can't a powerful woman just be. the second is from a video I don't remember except for a text box coming from the mouth of the Phoenix saying more or less that "I would be the second red head with world shaking powers that when crazy, I am less problematic now." No, THAT MAKES IT WORSE. It makes you look lazy because you cant think of ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM ON TOP OF THE PROBLIMATIC HYSTERIA METAPHOR!!! The final part is the witch trial for Agatha in Wandavision, in that it is a trial of witches for a witch by witches. To me that stinks of whitewashing the problematic history of witch-hunts and thus the archetype of the wicked witch. Especially since they flatten Agatha from a nuanced chaotic neutral character in the comics into a cartoonish caricature of a "wicked witch"
Power in Wanda didn't drive her crazy - her love for her children/family did. It's just a continuation of the thread that's left hanging from WandaVision but also something that's haunted her since her very introduction in the MCU. Think about it - she volunteered herself to Hydra because she lost her parents, the lost of her brother and Vision drove her to create a fictional happy escape world in WandaVision, and now the idea that it's possible she can use the powers which she already had to regain what she lost then drives her mad here in Multiverse of Madness.
She essentially has the same motivation as Wenwu in Shang-chi - their love and grief of a loved one drove them over the edge, except Wanda's character arch absolutely earned here because they paved that path for sooooo long.
@@nanaholic01 You forgot the part where she was dead for five years but got everything else.
@@johnathonhaney8291 I'm pretty sure her getting snapped for five years actually didn't mentally hurt her at all as she doesn't have anyone else to live for. When Thanos snapped you can see Wanda was actually sort of glad she got dusted because she didn't have a reason to live without Vision - she was happy she can die and be with Vision. Her coming back only to find out what Vision planned for them and that she in fact has to continue living without Vision was the straw that broke her heart and made her create the scenario of WandaVision. It's also something that isn't quite touched upon because people assumed everyone wanted to be brought back from the snap, but Wanda is one of those rare exception that she was probably happier being dead then being brought back to life to live out her misery, which only further adds to her traumas.
3:52-3:56 So what you’re saying is…it was Wanda all along?
Are you wearing a Suncoast T-shirt? Ah....6 years damn near I worked there.
Bob do you want me to buy you a microphone?
I appreciate the beginning of the review.
I was dissappointed in this film. But mostly cause the beginning was weak. They should have started with Wanda reading the darkhold and hearing the kids. Cause this was the emotiinal narrative and for people that haven"t seen WandaVision it came out of the blue.
Also if you haven't seen "What if" sone of dr Strange emotional narrative was missing.
This combined with a bit weak (how stupid they acted in understimating Wabda aka. the Scarlet Witch)
A bit of rework the script to improve this point would have helped to make it a really good movie. So for me it is only mehh while the last part of the movie makes it ok.
Yeah, this movie didn't really make sense unless you've seen WandaVision, but it makes even less sense if you have!
@@beezany how it made less sense?
@@martinwinter615 because the TV series already explored this flaw in Wanda and redeemed it. It’s a betrayal of her character development during the show.
@@beezany you forget she left with the darkhold and was reading it and as dr Strange said. The darkhold has corrupting influence. You could see it like the ring from LotR. So the desire to see her kids was amplified this combined with the dreams that magical gifted people seem to affect more since multivers happened.
@@martinwinter615 that’s lazy writing that hurts characterization. And it gets lazier when the hero uses the exact same magic book to resolve the conflict. It makes the whole plot arbitrary. The book caused the conflict and then ended it too.
I am happy to hear it's good, gotta find some childcare so the missus and I can see it in theaters
Well fuck I guess I know what I'm doing with my day off tomorrow.
To me, the lack of development or a fully formed arc for Strange was balanced out by the wall-to-wall wierdness on display everywhere else, which is what I go looking for in a movie called Doctor Strange. I love that Sam Raimi came out to play here and if they give him Strange 3 or even Secret Wars (as it’s rumored), we will be all the better for it.