Logitech G923 Dual Clutch | But there are no clutch paddles?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2024
- A high end feature on an entry level wheel? I was as confused as you are. Watch the video, because the results are surprising!
This feature IS compatible with all games which use a clutch (unlike Trueforce) and COULD potentially be retrofitted to older wheels with a simple firmware update!
Will Ford's (Boosted Media) comprehensive shakedown of the new hardware: • Logitech G923 Teardown...
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Yes, we do indeed read all of the comments, Laurence. :-)
Glad you like the Dual Clutch feature - we had fun coming up with the sequence for enabling that.
Haha I KNEW IT! I never appreciated Dual Clutch until i needed it in my league races. Seeing it on entry level hardware was a massive surprise for me. I love that the wheel takes responsibility for the functionality and that it has the potential to give you the edge over your peers on the start line. Thanks for taking the time to comment!
Wow
I hate that this feature is so obviously incorrectly named. a Dual Clutch is a type of transmission in real cars that literally has two clutches, and has basically nothing to do with launching. it just shifts faster than a conventional stick because it can disengage the current gear and engage the next one at the same time.
This feature on the wheels should have just been called Launch Control, because thats what it is.
Yep I don’t disagree :)
I think its called dual-clutch because you have 2 clutches on the wheel, same words different meaning
Dual-paddle clutch release would probably be less abiguous.
@theEmbeddedCaroBoss you don't have two clutches on the wheel; you have two clutch "pedals" (paddles). The clutch is the thing that engages and disengages the connection between gearbox and wheels. That's why when you change gear you have to de-clutch (detach). It's not two words meaning the same thing. One is the thing, the other controls that thing. Parts of the same solution, but different parts.
@@enterthebiscuit yeah I made a mistake
Having just got a G923, I noticed on the box is said it has a dual clutch system. While I was aware this was something which started off on F1 cars, there was no real explanation of how set it up, how to use it or how it works. You've covered all the bases, thanks. While it's not a set-up with paddles exactly as you see in open single seaters, it's definetly a launch control system I'll be making pleanty use of. Now I can do practice starts at the end of a practice session to fine tune the clutch settings, just like they do on the telly.
Thanks
This is awesome! I bought the G923 and you just explained the dual clutch the best! I was so lost until now! Thank you Sir! You got a subscribe and a LIKE!
Sweet! It’s such a cool feature it needed a dedicated video. Hope I did it justice! Welcome to the mad house :p
This was a great video! I'm glad to have gained a deeper understanding of my wheel's functionalities.
You're very welcome! Cheers for the comment!
Like you said, an underrated selling point for logitech. Personally I think the even more underrated feature that most of people won't even see or notice is the brake spring - logitech actually did it properly this time. No stupid rubber brick and no broken linearity in firmware(hopefully). I had to test and do a lot of mods on my G29 brake pedal to make it a bit softer and nicer, and I'm still not quite satisfied. This progressive spring seems like the perfect solution.
yep I agree! I was surprised how good my braking is. You will see tonight in my DTM race.
Only been using the g923 for 6 months now, I nearly had my launch perfected lol and i find this out. Perfect instructions especially for disabling it to was well handy.
You’re very welcome Peter :) it’s a great feature :)
Very good point regarding it being a “game controller”. Thanks for the shout out too. :)
You're very welcome! Yeah I think there are more Logitech G wheels thrown in storage and attics than there are DD wheels in the world :p
@laurence Dusowa Facts i hoke my 13 year old g25 out the odd time for drifting. Still works like brand new
Thanks for this vid! Got mine yesterday (And they actually advertized the dual clutch feature on Amazon, but I couldn't find the 'button') Upgrading from a completely battered T150. Only now I realize how much of a plastic toy that was. This feels so much more like a wheel. Can't even imagine what the real high-end stuff must feel like. Though I'm trying to do what you did in pit and it's not doing the blinking/config thing. (PS version). I might have to watch the video again :D
Wow! I didn't even know about this feature and now I feel like I want this for my first wheel!
It’s very handy!
Smart actually! Thanks for highlighting that.
You’re very welcome! Thanks for commenting!
I own 2 years this wheel and i didn't knew that it has this feature.... Thx a lot 🙏
Enjoy! :)
Hello Lawrence I bought the simagic m10 after your review and love it came with clutch paddles which I have never got working any ideas thanks
Hey! Have you seen the manual? It describes how to set up the clutch paddles ;) bit.ly/m10-manual
Great Video, i was thinking to get a newer G923 Wheel
I’m doing a more comprehensive review which should answer the question for you
Wow I had no idea what dual clutch was until this video. I saw it on the logitech website because I own a g923. My mind is blown, seen your videos before they are really good. Still trying to get my head around how the dual clutch works, in general not just on the logitech wheel. subbed
hahaha awesome :D Yeah it's SO handy
I have had a g29 for 3 years and got a playseat evo last year (second hand for 120$, it had stripped bolts and adjustment knobs from being tightened with a pipe wrench by an idiot) I now have a slightly higher budget and I’m looking for an upgrade for my wheel and pedals, what do you suggest?
Hey Sami! You should watch my buyer's guide ;) th-cam.com/video/TpEw9TbYb2c/w-d-xo.html
I think the perfect setup for desktop racers would be the Logi wheel as it does not hog space on a desk and the new Thrustmaster TLCM pedals but with the TLCM stand that is designed to be placed against a wall.
I still have my g27,the wheel has been perfect for over 10 years now,no overheating and I know how to remove rattle on it from trial and error,usually putting some filtering on the ffb removes the clatter for the most part.
The Logi wheel and Thrusty TLCM pedals and floor stand would get you a nice competitive setup that is practical for the desktop user who has no room for a full on rig.
I am a big fan of Logitech, for sure. I enjoyed having it as a temporary setup that I could slide out of the way.
Will I be able change gear on forza horizon 4 with the side paddles and other racing games, like you would on the original Logitech wheel?
You should be able to, yeah. I'm not a FH4 expert though
Loved the dual clutch feature but you hardly spoke about the supposed TRUE FORCE. Does it transmist better feelings and reactions to the driver??? I'm still deciding on a G29 or a g923 because there is a 100 euros difference!!!
Hey TheBusman2008! I already did a dedicated video on it a few days ago :) here you go, enjoy :) th-cam.com/video/UR4IPqaBeXI/w-d-xo.html
Thank You so much !!😊
I just got mine, thanks for explaining. I am a newbie, where can I go to race people online in competition? Are there servers?
Depends on what game/sim but there are lots of communities and online servers
What would you recommend? Logitech g923 or the T300RS GT? I ask because they are almost the same price. Tks
If they're the same price, probably the T300 :)
What setup are you using. I cannot find a handbrake for the logitech G923 for playstation 4
I am on PC and I’m pretty sure there are not handbrake options for PS4 with a logitech :(
how do i disengage the button
I’m relatively new to iRacing, but I always get a good start Bc of the dual clutch paddles on my Fanatec F1 wheel
Yeah the clutch paddles do make launches so much easier
Does this work on Xbox too or only pc it seems like this wheel was made for pc more than console my dial does that work on any games feel like I wasted my money for these extra features I can’t use thinking about returning it for the older g920 any advice
I’m not a console user. Maybe someone else can answer
I am in shocked that it has that 😳 but nice see it as well for people to try it out 👍
Yeah it's amazing really. It's a bit of a curve-ball.
Im looking to buy my first wheel soon and I’m serious considering the G923 over the cheaper G29, purely because of the dual clutch and especially the progressive brake pedal.
If you have the extra money, Go for it! You definitely wont regret it if those features appeal to you.
Laurence Dusoswa They do appeal, but how much better do you think the brake pedal on the G923 pedal set than the G29?
In Will’s review the dual clutch system looked to have some delay between releasing the button and dropping the clutch to the bite point but that must have been either the car or something else!
I think that may have just been camera sync. the system works surprisingly well.
Yeah was just camera sync. There’s no delay.
Bro please help me my clutch is working like a button I press slight and it goes up right away. It’s not like my brake or gas where it goes slow up
I’m not sure what the issue could be, to be hinest
Does it work on Xbox or do you have to be using the wheel on pc to use it?
Pretty sure it works on Xbox too
Good video I just bought one. It’s my first wheel.
thanks! Yeah they're a good piece of kit. Pretty bulletproof and tonnes of fun. enjoy it :)
Great explanation.
thanks
How do you turn it off? I used it for assetto corsa and now every game it acts like my clutch isn’t pressed in all the way no matter if I unplug the wheel
I think u press the enter button that’s at the bottom right of the wheel
I can’t think right now but I’m pretty sure I cancel it in this video too
How do you turn on the rev limiter on xbox one please tell us
They were supposed to release a firmware update for that. I don't know what the status of that is
I have a problem with my wheel can you tell me how to reset to default. When i press the clutch it needs to be preesed L3 or R3 to use it
Fix the clutch but one of the butuns doesn't work
I’m not sure what the issue could be
would be nice if they would implement it on my G29 with a firmware upgrade... They probably won't, they want you to take out your wallet...
Hahaha yeah I just replied to someone else's comment with that statement. It wouldn't make sense for Logitech to release that to older wheels. But who knows what's gonna happen
I was debating between the older g29 and the two new models but eventually got the g29 since it’s way cheaper now. If I knew about this launch control feature, I would have saved a little bit more for the new one
Two years late to the video, but I want to chime in anyway.
You could use software like Joystick Gremlin to create a virtual game controller, using the inputs of your steering wheel or other controller (i.e. buttons) to generate different outputs (i.e. axes).
You could create a virtual dual clutch function that way with any old controller.
i didn't understand, what's the difference between this and the normal ps4 launch?
You get to release the clutch to the bite point without having to think about it. Previous wheels didn’t have this functionality.
May I ask what simulation is he using for the cars
This was iRacing
That's a cool feature! Does this only work on the G923?
Right now, yes. I'm just speculating that it will also work on older wheels but I could also see why Logitech wouldn't want to release it to older wheels, because it would give people one less reason to spend more money on a new wheel :p
But, it could push existing owners to upgrade to another brand with a different type of force feedback. That's what I'm actually considering.
Logitech isn't bad, but they priced it too high. If it was 300€, you could argue getting the Logitech for the better pedals over the T300 RS, which has the crappy 2 pedal set. Currently it costs about the same as the T300 GT edition (which comes with the T3PA pedals).
Btw, cool to see Biķernieki in the intro, that's my home track :)
Hahahaha I love when people spot the interesting tracks ;) yeah you’re right about price and pedals
Oh! What does the dial on the right do??? What game were you playing during this video?
Which dial? The circular one? It can do whatever you like. I usually set it to brake bias or traction control.
This is iracing but the same principle applies in Assetto Corsa, raceroom, project cars, etc
@@LaurenceDusoswa thank you very much.
What game were you playing and what games support this feature
All games support this feature as the wheel controls it, not the game software. It’s basically just giving you more control over the clutch.
@@LaurenceDusoswa thanks amd also what game were you playing
@@mrracz2951 iRacing
@@LaurenceDusoswa mines not working can u help please
There’s not much I can do. I don’t have an Xbox either so can only really talk about PC
Re Force feedback not working properly: I was having problems with my G920's force feedback feeling weak then cutting out completely. I seem to have rectified this issue by uninstalling Logitech G Hub and going back to using Logitech Gaming Software. It seems that the anti-overheat function of my G920 was being triggered, even when the wheel was cold. Comments online seem to suggest compatibility issues between G Hub and Windows 10, worth bearing in mind for those who are suffering similar issues and may jump to the conclusion that their hardware is faulty.
Thanks for the great suggestions and glad it worked for you. Can you still use Trueforce and dual clutch?
@@LaurenceDusoswa My wheel's the g920 rather than the new g923 so I haven't tried these new features. To be honest, it's unlikely that I will as I'd be more likely to upgrade to a belt-driven wheel (got my heart set on the Fanatec CSL Elite) for my next wheel. Prices seem to be through the roof just now as a result of the pandemic so it looks like I'll be plugging away with my g920 for a good while yet!
what's the difference from just releasing clutch pedal from 100% to say 50%?
If you can accurately release the clutch to the exact brake point every time, then great. But there’s a reason this technology exists in real race cars. Most people can’t consistently release to the exact clutch bite point for the perfect launch every time. Obviously, the less powerful or heavier the car, the less you need a dual clutch.
Hope that answers your questions
@@LaurenceDusoswa understood, thanks!!
So they could add this to the g29 with a driver update?
Technically, yea... but highly unlikely that they would do that.
@@LaurenceDusoswa yeah for money reason they want people to buy the new one but enough people ask then maybe
Interesting feature
It's a great feature. Even better when you realise that you need it in certain cars. Of course, some people have amazing foot clutch control but having something dependable like this means that you have one less thing to worry about when the lights go out.
I'd say my upgrade is worth it, because I'm currently driving on a half broken Logitech DFGT from 2007 (yes it has 900° and ffb)
yep 100% worth it!
does this function come with the real car?
Depends on the car but it’s similar to a dual clutch system on a real race car.
How it works with GT Sport?
Apparently it works really well! Check out random callsign’s unboxing video ;)
@@LaurenceDusoswa thx
in drag racing is called two step ; ]
yep, it's not 'dual clutch' at all but that's what people call it, i guess.
Is it possible to use this just for launch in race then get full range back into clutch during race for gear changes?
you can use both at the same time!
I still don't get it what's happening... I understand it's use, but I still don't understand what's going on.
I’ll happily explain. Hop into my discord ;) link is in the description
Does this feature work on Xbox?
I’m pretty sure it does. I haven’t tested it but as it’s the wheel that controls it, it should just work
@@LaurenceDusoswa mines not I’m not sure why
nice
Cool isn’t it?
What games have this feature?
All games that support clutch. It’s a feature that’s powered by the wheel, not the same. So as far as the game is concerned, it is getting a clutch input and is happy. The Logitech smarts are doing the rest
Laurence Dusoswa wow, that’s great!
Why can't you just manually do that with your foot and feel it out?
With high powered cars, you lose time by ‘feeling it out’. Every split second matters when you want to compete to win.
I do it in real life at the red light when it turn green :)
👀WOW🤯 "Did you just do thaaat...??!!" Amazing feature, never knew about all this till know. Feeling dumb🤦♂️ quite a knowledge m8 thanks. Big WOOF 4D Underdogs!!! 😎👍
Yeah it's a crazy good feature on an entry level wheel. They talked about it a bit in their marketing materials but there has been more focus on Trueforce than this.
I don't understand why you'd want this. I mean in the real world it's a piece of cake to use a normal clutch pedal fully to get a racing start, and that's as a general road user. Surely if you're a racing driver (real world or sim videgame) you'd be expected to know how to launch your car? I mean, isn't that the point of being a pro? Dual clutch seems like a way to abstract the experience, the skill and the responsibility. If you want that, then drive an automatic or a semi-auto?
It’s not a piece of cake in many high powered cars though. Launch control is quite commonplace in many race cars. It’s technically not a dual clutch system but it’s an easier way to explain it. But if you don’t see the advantage of it, don’t worry about it :)
@@LaurenceDusoswa thanks Laurence, it seems I'm learning something new each day, heh, and my ignorance seems to know no bounds X-D I haven't even started sim racing cos my pedals are on back order, and I'm already being critical...
I want that!! Is a joke
It’s really useful
This is launch control
kinda. It's definitely closer to launch control than 'dual clutches'
Now that's cheating. Except, not really.
hahaha :) "We do what we can with the tools at our disposal", i guess :)
Get a direct drive wheel dudes of Logitech fist lol in 2023 lol;
it's THAT easy :p
This is hacks
Haha! We need to use the tools that we have at our disposal :)
Maldito youtube, muestra los títulos en español de videos en ingles... Dislike
Oh wow? TH-cam is auto translating?
ive had my wheel for 2 months now and i just discovered this, wow what a difference! i use ACC, Iracing and f122 this wheel works great for them all. RR is the only issue ive had
AWESOME! it's a life saver. those standing starts make it look like you have hacks :p