Personal favorite: Hightower Worst: Hightower when I want to leave and get my XP because I’ve been there for 3.5 hours and have so many points and decide to cap because the match has been so long, only for me to get kicked by the people who just joined and don’t see the 135 scoring players that want to use the bathroom and get the pizza delivery outside before the animals get to it and you have to order again and inquire if raccoon related incidents will get a free replacement. Also 2fort.
Frontier : the most underrated payload map in TF2 Also I could never learn to play sniper if 2Fort and Turbine weren't there. Their stalemates are what make you learn stuff without having to worry about dying or getting kicked if you are practicing something new.
There actually *is* a defined template for what makes a good TF2 map 1. There must be three routes that converge to an objective 2. Said routes can not lead to the exact same position 3. A single defending Sentry can only cover one or two routes at a time 4. The longest route must yield some sort of advantage to the attackers (High ground, straight to defender's spawn, etc.)
Now that I think of it Upward fulfills this pretty well 1) to the final cap there's the payload rails, the building to the right, and the basement level running left and under 2) differences in height 3) the usual sentry spot can't reach all the way to the building and ones that can are usually too aggressive and can be flanked by underneath 4) high ground and flanking for 2 of 3 routes for the other points: first point: center "valley", left, right (left and right allows outranging sentries and flank respectively) second point: tunnel under, hill above, the house to the left, sneak path around the right (high ground for hill and house) third point: wooden spiral platform, straight path to left, wood walkway underneath to the hut (walkway is flank, path is quick and allows for strong ubers) as opposed to 2fort or turbine where one sentry can cover all 3 (or 2, in 2fort) entrances and the various entrances don't mean much (except for the vents in turbine being a bit stealthier).
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8:32 why did you lump 5cp and attack/defend into the same gamemode? They have the same map prefix i know but they are fundamentally different gamemodes
2fort is my favorite map when: -The server is having a classic fun and relaxing DM-fest where you can screw around however you want for as long as you want without bothering with any objectives (à la Hightower) -The server is having a hyper competitive CTF match where both teams are determined and competent enough to have an intense back-and-forth battle for the Intels for 3 hours straight 2fort is my least favorite map when: -The server has an unbalanced split between Tryhard and Casual players where everyone wants to play a different way and thus no one ends up having fun (à la Hightower) -One team is a mix of friendlies and clueless F2Ps while the other team is tryhard/competent enough to take over the entire map and do with the match as they please
Sums it up. If everyone's on the same page, 2Fort is great fun whether you're having friendlies and DM fests, or everyone decides to actually play the objective for 3 hours. When you have a bad mix of both kinds of players, its a lot less fun
2Fort is just poorly designed when it comes to serious play, but it’s pretty fun to mess around on because it has so many ways to play. I had a lot of fun just playing Spy the other day for an hour or so because I could switch between disguising to play as a friendly, playing gun Spy to get some kills on my strange revolver, just pretending to be enemies defending, and so many other fun things. It’s a good non-objective death match map where people aren’t too serious about killing each other.
Personal Favorite: cp_Sunshine Sunshine is a Wonderful, Well-Designed, Aesthetically appealing map with Open Spaces, Good Chokes, Flank Routes, Sneaky Sentry Spots, Spy Hidey-Holes, Verticality, Sniper Sightlines, Anti-Sightlines, and is generally just played Well. Least Favrotie: ctf_Gorge As Someone who plays Manpower a *lot*, I often See Gorge's Enclosed Spaces getting most of the Action, when a lot of the Powerups AND the Grapple are movement-based for open areas with a lot of Geometry within them.
How do you even play manpower "a *lot."* Once I left the game on for over 20 minutes while I ate lunch and not once was I able to get into a server. It sucks because when I played it in 2017 it was my favorite gamemode but now it's seems like nobody plays it.
Personal choices: Favorite: Harvest Least Favorite: Turbine TL;DR: KOTH maps are good when small, CTF maps are bad when small, boom. Figured out tf2 map design. To explain. I hate stale mates in TF2. While it's kinda a core part of the design, I still always liked close quarters high octane action. The only thing I hate about Harvest is how easy it is to theoretically spawn camp the whole match (but that's warranted and not really a nitpick). I hate Turbine because every route to the Intel is a literal choke point. Look at maps like Landfall or Double-cross. The Intel is either out in the open or in a medium sized room (respectively) with large gaps for enemy pushes. On Turbine, there would've been a good spot if there wasn't that weird double door on the North side of the Intel room. Can we atleast agree that Turbine is played maybe a little to much within map rotation? Even a bit? The only reason I don't hate 2Fort more is because of meme bias. Other than that it's kinda worse in every way. When I first started playing all I basically was playing were CTF maps bc that was all that was showing up. I've had to turn off the CTF game mode completely by this point. It's weird. I don't even play fps multiplayer shooters ever except TF2, as I've only picked up this game when valve shunned f2plays. And honestly, it has the contender for being the best looking but most awkwardly designed game of it's genre (unless we are talking about BattleBorn, that's a whole other story). And I know tf2 is old and I respect it. But I've been following this community for a while now. Once I've actually played I've realized how off it is. If you are wondering why I'm not playing anything else rn other than tf2 is bc I really like the community and the class base system is really cool.
that's why I love playing powerhouse every now and again. it's an endless hell where you never see the Demo with his Medic GF. nor will you ever get absolutely fucked by a sniper or spy main.
That’s one of the reasons l like powerhouse. 2fort and have Hightower also never end, so if a game mode doesn’t have a round timer, you can bet there’s a map where the game won’t end.
I like Powerhouse because sometimes you get absolute slugfests that last a long time and are very satisfying. But also sometimes the first round is so long the team that lost the first match just loses all morale and rolls over and dies.
Man am I dissapointed that cp_Gravelpit isn't more popular. It's ridiculous and chaotic while really allowing each class to excel in different sections of the map!
I played hydro and it's honestly not that bad. It's really run if your scout or something like that. The problem with hydro is it's basically impossible for either team to win.
Favorite is Steel. The way its played is so different from every other Attack/Defend map and there's so many side routes your can take and defend. Least: I don't know, there's a bunch of game modes I don't have turned on and a bunch of individual maps that I don't have on rotation either so there's nothing I really have to dread being put into outside of end of map votes going to Dustbowl or Gold Rush. That said Gold Rush and Dustbowl are pretty unfun
Bruh you asked like 20 people this is a tiny sample size I wasn’t going to leave a comment until I was told to. Not my fault. I take no responsibility.
My opinion on Dustbowl is that it's more fun in community servers where you can play with crazy off-brand community games like Class Wars and roll the dice. It sorta takes the unbalanced mess of Dustbowl and embraces it with chance and fun shenanigans. As a casual pubstomper who rarely plays community, I definitely have more fun with Dustbowl on community servers than I do in casual mode.
I feel like this might be even more controversial than the "which class takes the most skill" debate.. Here's my personal thoughts on some of the maps: (yes ik nobody cares but I have nothing better to do other than rant about tf2 maps) The best Attack/Defense map is... I dunno.. Mercenary Park is my fav. (I love the aesthetic and the only thing I don't like is the last point, especially how OP sentries are there.) The best CTF map is Doublecross, which is also my fav. (the map has a lovely aesthetic, and from a design standpoint it's what 2fort wanted to achieve but never did.) The best Control Points map is Gorge, my favorite is Yukon. (I really don't see why ppl think it's a bad map, it has something decent for all the classes and a nice aesthetic.) The best KOTH map is.. dunno either, my favorite is probably Suijin.. (I don't play a lot of KOTH cuz imo it is the worst gamemode, teamwork is almost never seen there and the objective feels so irrelevant.. it's almost the same as Hightower's situation.) The best Payload map is Upward, my favorite is Frontier. (I just love that cart man.) The best Payload Race map is.. well they're all mediocre except Hightower, my fav. is Hightower. (Hightower is the worst PLR map, but it's great if you ignore the objective.) I don't play Mannpower or Pass time. The misc maps are really interesting though. 2Fort Invasion is fun because of the bombs, but is terrible otherwise because it is still 2Fort. DeGroot Keep would be cool if it was truly melee only, ppl say the first 2 points are too hard to defend but that's intentional. Doomsday is ok I guess.. I personally dislike it, but the gamemode seems interesting. Probed is heavily underrated, and almost nobody ever plays it cuz it's burried in Alternative. Guess that can be said for most of these maps. Snowplow is just a fancy and overrated Attack/Defense map. Watergate is actually really good, if nobody is paying engineer that is. Now... Hydro.. oh boy where do I even start? Ok first, the map is not what we have in the base game. This territory control crap VALVe made it into makes it really annoying to play on, I agree. But that is not what the map is supposed to be. It is supposed to be a huge KOTH-Control Point hybrid, preferably something like what is available in TF2C. The map is actually really well balanced, it has a lot to offer for every class. Both big open spaces and small crammed corridors. The fact the map is so huge makes it really fun to run around. There is always something to do, you aren't locked to one or two main passage ways most maps offer (main and flank). The map does seem confusing at first, but if you follow arrows and just explore for a while you'll learn it's layout quickly. It's really not all that confusing. A top down view of Hydro is actually amazing. I would also like to point out the aesthetic. Oh man, you can't tell me it isn't great. It has that classic, old TF2 vibe to it. The capture points are all unique and it truly feels like a huge map, thanks to the color pallet. All in all, it is by far my favorite map in TF2, and it probably always will be. It has a special place in my heart as that one massive, underrated and forgotten map, butchered by VALVe long ago. I don't really have a least favorite map, but there sure are a few that stick out to me. Maps like Harvest, Junction and Process all aren't balanced around all the classes. For example: Harvest is THE scout map, snipers and soldiers also do pretty well there. As a result the other classes are kinda suppressed. This is the main problem most maps have, they don't take into account that not all classes perform the same way on different "terrain". God that's a long comment.. might've went overboard there.
"probed is heavily undderated and almost nobody ever plays it because it's buried in the alternative" I feel like no one plays it because it's in the same section as degrootkeep
9:28 "Despite the hate that maps like TF2, turbine..." wait a second what Edit - Now someone HAS to make Upwater a thing, obviously nothing could go wrong there!
0:40 my baby 2fort get 4 1: Easy to understand and navigate 2: balanced attackers and defenders 3:visually interesting 4:no wasted space But....balanced for every class.....no
Honestly… I am EXTREMELY sad that nobody plays enclosure. It’s honestly so sad for me, because it’s such a fun map! Especially since most of the 3 stage payload maps suck.
Junction may not be balanced for every class, but I like it's gameplay. 2 separate points with routes converging on the final monster that is last control point. With even decent defence it requires blue to be more coordinated than usual, while giving red some nice easy spots to shoot at the bad guys
2 fort and thunder mountain payload? 2fort is for long and drawn out matches for just random shenanigans and my boi thunder mountain? It is so wide open for jumps. Look at how they murdered my bois!
I actually quite enjoy Junction personally, even though I recognize that there are good reasons it's not very popular. Also, lets go Steel gang. Steel's definitely one of my favorites alongside Badwater and Upward.
Almost 600 hours in game and I feel I played/I know like 25% of the maps in the entire game. It's insane how many maps/game modes (without even counting all the community ones) TF2 has has.
I know that i am late ,but even with this ammond of maps that we have in game + frequency that we get more, you could with similliar ammond of hourse have more % of played maps if old matchmaking was a thing now. All niche maps and gamemodes (like nightfall , pipeline , past time mode, payload reace, etc) would be played more offten if valve would fu** up quick play.
It kinda depends which map the game puts you on repeatedly, after playing badwater for 2 games in a row upward is refreshing but sometimes upward is bad
*Favorite:* Nucleus. I like how the fighting mostly takes place around the point rather than inside it. Simple fun. *Least Favorite:* Steel. That confusing, indoor maze-like design of the 5 points absolutely sucks. Having each capture point change the layout of the map when captured is a good idea, but horrible execution.
Noobs don't like Steel because it confuses them. You just need to play it more to realize it is probably the best pubber's map out there. Because unlike the other "just keep moving straight forward" on-rails maps, you have to actually have a strategy but be flexible if it goes wrong. I guess if you're nothing but brainless twitch you wouldn't like it, but if you like tactics, it is gold.
Once you get the hang of steel it's actually a insanely fun map. What makes it great is each class can has a spot on it where they're just unstoppable. All the sniper windows are overpowered, building a sentry anywhere is overpowered, heavy good around corners, every class is op on that map.
In my opinion Pl best map: badwater Ctf best map: 2fort Koth best map: harvest Control point best map: 5gorge Plr best map: hightower Misc best map: degroot keep A/D best map: dust bowl
For attack/defend i would have to disagree and ask why no one mentions gravelpit. Also CTF, double cross, Landfall and Sawmill i feel are way better, specially Sawmill
For me upward i such a beautiful map for all classes. It has so much open spaces (great for rocket jumping/ sticky jumping), tight corridores, chokepoints and overall a very very nice theme. I love it so much, maybe a little bit too much cause i play it a ton. One thing i also wanted to say is that your videos have become so well put together its blowing me away. Please Toofty keep up the crazy work its amazing. Thank you! (I think i can speak for the community here :) )
Favorite: Upward, Dustbowl Least favorite: Thundermountain,I just hate thundermountain because of the second and last stage, Junction how can someone enjoy this map?
@@Deh9o11en8or i think people hate on Thundermountain either cuz ot's rainy (which instead is why i love it) or because it takes so long to finish, you have to go through all the e different parts to switch sides, and it's not as quick as other payload maps divided in 3 parts
Thundermountain is my number one or two map. I also love Junction. Yes it's tight, but that forces a change up in your style of play. Why do people get so upset when they have to adapt?
I don't mind junction as solder or engie cuz I can lockdown all the problem areas. Thunder mountain is fun as spy but yeah. The final point on all the segments are crazy hard to deal with.
I think that 2fort is a map made for beginners to start getting used to the classes. There's pretty much a place for all the classes: -the porch for the Sniper, Scout and rocket/sticky-jumping Soldier/Demo, -the intel room/indoors courtyard for the Engineer and Heavy, - the hallways for sticky trapping Demo, Soldier and Pyro - water for the Pyrosharks
My favorite is pier. I think it is really unique and pretty, and I feel like people forget about it a lot. Though I've been seeing it a bit more recently.
My absolute favorite map in tf2 has to be upward. It's nice and open, while also forcing you into some claustrophobic fights, and instead of a long, winding track like most payload maps, it loops around a central building, making the map more condensed and therefore more fun. My least favorite map is without a doubt turbine. It just doesn't work. 2fort at this point is just a meme. And honestly, for a tiny map in the worst gamemode, it's not too bad.
2:59 The main reason for that is the first few times you play the final point, you have no clue what's going on. This is probably because the pathing and structure is so different, looping around and over itself, and you can't see the inside of the building areas at a first glance. My first few times seeing it, I just thought "Where does payload start? Where does it end? Where does it go?" Yes, it's not that complex, but compared to the other maps it is. PS. Upward + Badwater really great maps, 2Fort only good for memeing or chilling, never played Junction, and Metalworks is second best 5CP map.
Wait... People dislike thunder mountain? I guess not everyone is on Twitter so it makes sense, but that map is soooo much fun for every class, I thought. Map is gorgeous, open as all hell, leads to good long matches, and variable enough from section to section to favor every class.
Honestly 2fort and turbine are both my favorites and least favorites They’re fun to mess around and just casually do things, but the moment you want to try everyone just hates you and gets mad. They’re also some of the most popular community server maps (of the base game maps) which lets me share my and see others sprays etc Also I’m curious about this same question but for MvM
From a 6s/Highlander perspective: I think cp_process is a brilliantly designed map for 6s as it's THE 6s map. Really encouraging mobility classes, great general design and well balanced whether you're attacking or defending points (which is harder to do with 5cp), but if I have to play Highlander Engie on process again I will shoot myself- just not particularly designed for those classes. Similarly I'd say koth_viaduct, or the competitive version product that removes the snow aesthetic and makes a few more tweaks for gameplay and visibility. It's pretty well designed for every class to have some kind of role and space in the map even if it's a little hectic at times. As a highlander simp, still got to say Badwater and Upward are the best maps; so well designed, brilliantly balanced for all classes and everyone has a role on attack and defence
Personal Favorite: Granary No matter what class I pick, I never felt like I needed to pick a certain one to get a advantage on it. It feels right with all of them. Also allows for some great teamwork shenanigans. Least Favorite: Turbine. It's literally a box. Because of the minuscle size, I wonder if it would fare better as a Arena map. Also, fantastic video. Your TF2 content is one of my favorites because of the work you put into them.
“What’s the worst map in tf2?, junction obviously” Man completely forgot that Wutville exists Edit: I just realized this video was from 2020, dude had no idea what was to come
Swiftwater is the worst map. It looks good but god damn it sucks to play on. *The main problem is that the spawn rooms are trash for both teams* Blu first spawn has a useless door that leads to the opposite direction of the cart. Red has a large spawnroom which takes too much time to navigate. If you play engineer here you are fucked if you want to resupply.
I think Upward is the perfect balance of being fun for casual play while not being a massive chokepoint stalemate map, it just has that all-around appeal.
Upward is better than Badwater for the sole reason that upward doesn't have a "PRO" version for competitive play, while Badwater does; Upward was perfect from the very beginning.
"Howerdi here a toofy bucs since u haff ben so gud" on a picture of engineer with a stretched face at 9:03 It took me 10 minutes to get it, I had to set it to 0.25 speed and then keep pausing and playing the video.
I actually really like thunder mountain, so it is surprising that people would place it as their least favourite map. I also think Borneo is very well designed.
i love upward and badwater. what i don't love about them, however, is the fact that every match is the same. red holds blu in their spawn for five minutes and then blu ends up winning easily. but hey, at least we all have fun playing on them, even if we loose.
I know they're not official maps, but honestly the mario kart maps are probably the ones I've had most fun with. They're cartoony, have very simple layouts and work for all classes - I like to play demoknight on them myself.
Personal choices:
Favorite: 2fort
Least favorite: 2fort
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We all know the best map is tr_walkway because every class is viable on it
Actually Walkways been glitched for years and the bots’ hit boxes lag behind their model making it not viable for any class
to add on, the map is just choke points
But how do I get tr_walkway?
By walking
It refuses to spawn the bots on my laptop so yeah it's unplayable for me
Personal favorite: Hightower
Worst: Hightower when I want to leave and get my XP because I’ve been there for 3.5 hours and have so many points and decide to cap because the match has been so long, only for me to get kicked by the people who just joined and don’t see the 135 scoring players that want to use the bathroom and get the pizza delivery outside before the animals get to it and you have to order again and inquire if raccoon related incidents will get a free replacement. Also 2fort.
I like 2fort because it’s fun to get hundreds of kills on the clueless snipers
This is 100% me.
Except for 2fort.
so maybe not quite 100%
Why would you care for exp points since they do virtually nothing?
B. Comet for me, because I like to see my rank go up. It does nothing, but it gives makes me happy to see it go up.
Understandable. But I still think the rank system is dumb.
When Crash said he 'preferred to focus on the positives' that meant that he actually knows the person who made the map he hates the most :P
He could have said his least favorite among Valve's maps.
Frontier : the most underrated payload map in TF2
Also I could never learn to play sniper if 2Fort and Turbine weren't there. Their stalemates are what make you learn stuff without having to worry about dying or getting kicked if you are practicing something new.
Is frontier the one with the custom cart? I absolutely hate that glitchy mess.
@@simpson6700 it is the one with shark like looking cart. What glitches you saw in that map?
@@ibrahimshaikh6728 difficulty getting on it and the cart lagging back and fourth
Tbh frontier is not well designed. Red basically has all the high ground on every single point
I love frontier. Except the last point.
“...or DAYTA in American-speak...”
Bold words from somebody who pronounces Yukon as “YUCKUN.”
(It’s Yoo-Kon.)
/jukan/
its a pun innit
Sputnikcosmonot I thought so too but he continues to refer to it as Yuckun for the rest of the video
I could be wrong, but i think that was the joke. Yuck-on. (There was something about “yuck” in a sentence before.
ok "DAHRTA"
I bothers me a little bit to hear toofty pronounce Yukon “yakon”
yuck-on
You-Con is what it is to me.
You-Con is correct aye
They just hate Canada
I still love Miami element I have dreams of kissing Miami element over a fancy dinner
There actually *is* a defined template for what makes a good TF2 map
1. There must be three routes that converge to an objective
2. Said routes can not lead to the exact same position
3. A single defending Sentry can only cover one or two routes at a time
4. The longest route must yield some sort of advantage to the attackers (High ground, straight to defender's spawn, etc.)
Now that I think of it Upward fulfills this pretty well
1) to the final cap there's the payload rails, the building to the right, and the basement level running left and under
2) differences in height
3) the usual sentry spot can't reach all the way to the building and ones that can are usually too aggressive and can be flanked by underneath
4) high ground and flanking for 2 of 3 routes
for the other points:
first point: center "valley", left, right (left and right allows outranging sentries and flank respectively)
second point: tunnel under, hill above, the house to the left, sneak path around the right (high ground for hill and house)
third point: wooden spiral platform, straight path to left, wood walkway underneath to the hut (walkway is flank, path is quick and allows for strong ubers)
as opposed to 2fort or turbine where one sentry can cover all 3 (or 2, in 2fort) entrances and the various entrances don't mean much (except for the vents in turbine being a bit stealthier).
It's fantastic how both Turbine and 2Fort fail to meet those standards.
I have a sentry spot on 2fort that can cover all three routes
Is this CSGO or something
@@kikocacala7466 The intel room
*edit: At 9:28 I accidentally say TF2 instead of 2fort because words are hard
Let me know if there are any maps I missed that deserve a mention!
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why do you pronounce yukon the way you do?
I was just about to comment this when I saw that you made a comment yourself. Darn.
TF2 is best map
Tf2 really is just 2fort with extra steps
Pier was just added as an official map, how do you think it stacks up?
8:32 why did you lump 5cp and attack/defend into the same gamemode? They have the same map prefix i know but they are fundamentally different gamemodes
Good point I should have split these out
I hate how the game classes attack/defend maps as control points maps
9:29 don’t you hate that people dislike the map known as tf2
Tf2 best map
i dont know how you are supposed to hate tf2 as a map its jusy perfect in every way
The real question is what game mode is it for
@@johnbob914 tf2 gamemode
@@xronge tf2_tf2
I’ve literally never seen somebody happy about joining a server playing Brazil
I was always neutral about it.
Eh, it’s not bad. It’s not good either.
I kinda like it
I like Brazil, I think it's a decent experience, just a lot of space that doesn't need to be there
2fort is my favorite map when:
-The server is having a classic fun and relaxing DM-fest where you can screw around however you want for as long as you want without bothering with any objectives (à la Hightower)
-The server is having a hyper competitive CTF match where both teams are determined and competent enough to have an intense back-and-forth battle for the Intels for 3 hours straight
2fort is my least favorite map when:
-The server has an unbalanced split between Tryhard and Casual players where everyone wants to play a different way and thus no one ends up having fun (à la Hightower)
-One team is a mix of friendlies and clueless F2Ps while the other team is tryhard/competent enough to take over the entire map and do with the match as they please
true, i guess 2fort and all ctf maps are representations of the utter stalemate between Red and Blu in the lore
Sums it up. If everyone's on the same page, 2Fort is great fun whether you're having friendlies and DM fests, or everyone decides to actually play the objective for 3 hours.
When you have a bad mix of both kinds of players, its a lot less fun
2Fort is just poorly designed when it comes to serious play, but it’s pretty fun to mess around on because it has so many ways to play. I had a lot of fun just playing Spy the other day for an hour or so because I could switch between disguising to play as a friendly, playing gun Spy to get some kills on my strange revolver, just pretending to be enemies defending, and so many other fun things. It’s a good non-objective death match map where people aren’t too serious about killing each other.
Personal Favorite: cp_Sunshine
Sunshine is a Wonderful, Well-Designed, Aesthetically appealing map with Open Spaces, Good Chokes, Flank Routes, Sneaky Sentry Spots, Spy Hidey-Holes, Verticality, Sniper Sightlines, Anti-Sightlines, and is generally just played Well.
Least Favrotie: ctf_Gorge
As Someone who plays Manpower a *lot*, I often See Gorge's Enclosed Spaces getting most of the Action, when a lot of the Powerups AND the Grapple are movement-based for open areas with a lot of Geometry within them.
Seeing the lighthouse in the stamp reel makes me say
"Yessss......."
How do you even play manpower "a *lot."* Once I left the game on for over 20 minutes while I ate lunch and not once was I able to get into a server. It sucks because when I played it in 2017 it was my favorite gamemode but now it's seems like nobody plays it.
@@kimgkomg Get a bunch of Buddies and start up a custom server.
I don't like sunshine from a gameplay view but it is a gorgeous map.
the halloween version of sunshine makes it the best pub 5cp map by a large margin if not for the fps problems
I have to say that Granary is super underrated. It's simple and has the classic TF2 look. Maybe I'm bias because it looks like it's in Minnesota.
The hell do you mean Granary is underrated? It's literally the only map I can get a game with no bots
It is. It's my personal favorite because it has room for every class.
I wish you had to go in 1,2,3 order on the points. Right now defending teams just give up 1 or 2 to defend the other.
I think the pro version of the map is a whole lot better, but the map suffers from massive choke points regardless; which says a lot coming from 5cp
Ah hey a fellow Minnesotan
i'm surprised Harvest wasn't higher. everyone i meet in game loves it.
It's by far my favorite spy map.
It’s a good map, but I believe dust bowl is superior
It's too east to spawnkill the entire team as a medic, pyro and heavy there so I can understand why people don't like it
Honestly not a fan of harvest. Too many mini-sentries and Demoknights for my liking.
@@grunkythegrandpaofcheese5241 the mini sentries are easy to deal with. it's the fully leveled sentries that are a real problem.
Personal choices:
Favorite: Harvest
Least Favorite: Turbine
TL;DR: KOTH maps are good when small, CTF maps are bad when small, boom. Figured out tf2 map design.
To explain. I hate stale mates in TF2. While it's kinda a core part of the design, I still always liked close quarters high octane action. The only thing I hate about Harvest is how easy it is to theoretically spawn camp the whole match (but that's warranted and not really a nitpick).
I hate Turbine because every route to the Intel is a literal choke point. Look at maps like Landfall or Double-cross. The Intel is either out in the open or in a medium sized room (respectively) with large gaps for enemy pushes. On Turbine, there would've been a good spot if there wasn't that weird double door on the North side of the Intel room. Can we atleast agree that Turbine is played maybe a little to much within map rotation? Even a bit?
The only reason I don't hate 2Fort more is because of meme bias. Other than that it's kinda worse in every way.
When I first started playing all I basically was playing were CTF maps bc that was all that was showing up. I've had to turn off the CTF game mode completely by this point. It's weird.
I don't even play fps multiplayer shooters ever except TF2, as I've only picked up this game when valve shunned f2plays. And honestly, it has the contender for being the best looking but most awkwardly designed game of it's genre (unless we are talking about BattleBorn, that's a whole other story).
And I know tf2 is old and I respect it. But I've been following this community for a while now. Once I've actually played I've realized how off it is. If you are wondering why I'm not playing anything else rn other than tf2 is bc I really like the community and the class base system is really cool.
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Turbine is the best CTF map, but then again CTF *is* a pretty shit game mode.
@@XanderFenikkusu nah. Every other CTF map is better than Turbine
@@therealspiroagnew818 based on what?
The Real Spiro Agnew are you saying that turbine is worse then 2fort?
Today is happy birthday of heavy and demoman's voice actor 🎉
“Me bottle o’ scrumpy”
wow
Wow what a coincidence they have the same birthday.
Edit: I looked online and they even have the same name too. What a coincidence.
@@padfoot719 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) they are same
@9-yo pyromain got my party hat today yay
Personal choices:
Favourite: Upward
Least favourite: Powerhouse. The rounds never _end_
But it is my favorite map cuz of so much tryhards and no ends. WAR THAT WILL LAST FOREVER
Yeah, that lack of a round timer on Powerhouse is hellish, but the map is otherwise fine
that's why I love playing powerhouse every now and again. it's an endless hell where you never see the Demo with his Medic GF. nor will you ever get absolutely fucked by a sniper or spy main.
That’s one of the reasons l like powerhouse. 2fort and have Hightower also never end, so if a game mode doesn’t have a round timer, you can bet there’s a map where the game won’t end.
I like Powerhouse because sometimes you get absolute slugfests that last a long time and are very satisfying.
But also sometimes the first round is so long the team that lost the first match just loses all morale and rolls over and dies.
0:48
I can't believe you forgot the most important requirement
- makes Pain Train Knight a literal god
Wutville: *Imma end half of this video’s whole career*
9:03 "howerdi, here haff a toffy bucs since u haff ben so gud" you're welcome
Toofy, not toffy
Man am I dissapointed that cp_Gravelpit isn't more popular. It's ridiculous and chaotic while really allowing each class to excel in different sections of the map!
Friendly reminder that the map prefix cp_ is also used for both 5cp *and* Attack/Defend, which are two very different gamemodes entirely.
I'm surprised you didn't talk about Hydro at all
Too obvious I guess
I played hydro and it's honestly not that bad. It's really run if your scout or something like that. The problem with hydro is it's basically impossible for either team to win.
It’s also a gorgeous map I can’t be the only one who thinks it looks incredible
Easily the best map. Still confuses me to this day I will admit. Very pretty yet diverse atmosphere (vents? Drains? A gigantic dish???).
Hydro is an underappreciated map, like seriously it visually looks appealing, came on launch, and was even modified to be used in expiration date
9:29 ah yes, the worst map, tf2.
Tfw 2fort is synonymous with tf2.
Personal choices:
Fav: 2fort
Least fav: turbine 2fort
Ew
2rbine and tufort
2bine
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Favorite is Steel. The way its played is so different from every other Attack/Defend map and there's so many side routes your can take and defend.
Least: I don't know, there's a bunch of game modes I don't have turned on and a bunch of individual maps that I don't have on rotation either so there's nothing I really have to dread being put into outside of end of map votes going to Dustbowl or Gold Rush. That said Gold Rush and Dustbowl are pretty unfun
Worst map according to toofty: junction
*laughs in wutville*
Bruh you asked like 20 people this is a tiny sample size
I wasn’t going to leave a comment until I was told to. Not my fault. I take no responsibility.
So small it's not even worth mentioning.
The numbers are percentages, not number of votes. You can see so at around 2:07, when he shows the actual poll itself.
Hip Hip Exactly my point. I think. I don’t want to rewatch the video to check.
@@e2b265 No? Your point was that there were like 20 people, percentages don't indicate how many people participated.
@@JianCB2 exactly
My opinion on Dustbowl is that it's more fun in community servers where you can play with crazy off-brand community games like Class Wars and roll the dice. It sorta takes the unbalanced mess of Dustbowl and embraces it with chance and fun shenanigans. As a casual pubstomper who rarely plays community, I definitely have more fun with Dustbowl on community servers than I do in casual mode.
I feel like this might be even more controversial than the "which class takes the most skill" debate..
Here's my personal thoughts on some of the maps: (yes ik nobody cares but I have nothing better to do other than rant about tf2 maps)
The best Attack/Defense map is... I dunno.. Mercenary Park is my fav. (I love the aesthetic and the only thing I don't like is the last point, especially how OP sentries are there.)
The best CTF map is Doublecross, which is also my fav. (the map has a lovely aesthetic, and from a design standpoint it's what 2fort wanted to achieve but never did.)
The best Control Points map is Gorge, my favorite is Yukon. (I really don't see why ppl think it's a bad map, it has something decent for all the classes and a nice aesthetic.)
The best KOTH map is.. dunno either, my favorite is probably Suijin.. (I don't play a lot of KOTH cuz imo it is the worst gamemode, teamwork is almost never seen there and the objective feels so irrelevant.. it's almost the same as Hightower's situation.)
The best Payload map is Upward, my favorite is Frontier. (I just love that cart man.)
The best Payload Race map is.. well they're all mediocre except Hightower, my fav. is Hightower. (Hightower is the worst PLR map, but it's great if you ignore the objective.)
I don't play Mannpower or Pass time. The misc maps are really interesting though.
2Fort Invasion is fun because of the bombs, but is terrible otherwise because it is still 2Fort.
DeGroot Keep would be cool if it was truly melee only, ppl say the first 2 points are too hard to defend but that's intentional.
Doomsday is ok I guess.. I personally dislike it, but the gamemode seems interesting.
Probed is heavily underrated, and almost nobody ever plays it cuz it's burried in Alternative. Guess that can be said for most of these maps.
Snowplow is just a fancy and overrated Attack/Defense map.
Watergate is actually really good, if nobody is paying engineer that is.
Now... Hydro.. oh boy where do I even start?
Ok first, the map is not what we have in the base game. This territory control crap VALVe made it into makes it really annoying to play on, I agree. But that is not what the map is supposed to be. It is supposed to be a huge KOTH-Control Point hybrid, preferably something like what is available in TF2C.
The map is actually really well balanced, it has a lot to offer for every class. Both big open spaces and small crammed corridors. The fact the map is so huge makes it really fun to run around. There is always something to do, you aren't locked to one or two main passage ways most maps offer (main and flank).
The map does seem confusing at first, but if you follow arrows and just explore for a while you'll learn it's layout quickly. It's really not all that confusing. A top down view of Hydro is actually amazing.
I would also like to point out the aesthetic. Oh man, you can't tell me it isn't great. It has that classic, old TF2 vibe to it. The capture points are all unique and it truly feels like a huge map, thanks to the color pallet.
All in all, it is by far my favorite map in TF2, and it probably always will be. It has a special place in my heart as that one massive, underrated and forgotten map, butchered by VALVe long ago.
I don't really have a least favorite map, but there sure are a few that stick out to me.
Maps like Harvest, Junction and Process all aren't balanced around all the classes. For example: Harvest is THE scout map, snipers and soldiers also do pretty well there. As a result the other classes are kinda suppressed. This is the main problem most maps have, they don't take into account that not all classes perform the same way on different "terrain".
God that's a long comment.. might've went overboard there.
"probed is heavily undderated and almost nobody ever plays it because it's buried in the alternative" I feel like no one plays it because it's in the same section as degrootkeep
9:28 "Despite the hate that maps like TF2, turbine..." wait a second what
Edit - Now someone HAS to make Upwater a thing, obviously nothing could go wrong there!
oops how did I miss that!? I meant to say 2fort as you may have guessed
Yes please, Upwater would be the ultimate map
ULTIMATE FUSION
10 minutes and 30 seconds of me slowly realizing how little I have in common with toofty
0:40 my baby 2fort get 4
1: Easy to understand and navigate
2: balanced attackers and defenders
3:visually interesting
4:no wasted space
But....balanced for every class.....no
LOL, what? No. 2fort overwhelmingly favors the defenders. That is why it stalemates so easy.
@@LividImp what did you say about my baby??
Damn, sawmill wasn't even mentioned in even one of the lists. Rip my favorite map
Cp sawmill a lot of fun.
Honestly… I am EXTREMELY sad that nobody plays enclosure. It’s honestly so sad for me, because it’s such a fun map! Especially since most of the 3 stage payload maps suck.
4:02 look in the bottom right corner and keep watching...
"Anime cat girl is playing tf2"
Junction may not be balanced for every class, but I like it's gameplay. 2 separate points with routes converging on the final monster that is last control point. With even decent defence it requires blue to be more coordinated than usual, while giving red some nice easy spots to shoot at the bad guys
Watergate is IMMENSELY underrated.
I like it, but the fucking thing always crashes me to desktop.
2 fort and thunder mountain payload? 2fort is for long and drawn out matches for just random shenanigans and my boi thunder mountain? It is so wide open for jumps. Look at how they murdered my bois!
"I didn't expect to see Sweden here"
Jokes aside, great video as usual.
Keep it up!
my maps when i dont wanna play seriously: 2fort, hightower
when i wanna play seriously: upward, badwater
maps i avoid playing in: dustbowl, junction
I play payload maps with any feeling. Always fun.
I actually quite enjoy Junction personally, even though I recognize that there are good reasons it's not very popular.
Also, lets go Steel gang. Steel's definitely one of my favorites alongside Badwater and Upward.
I found my brother in arms. My top is either Steel or Thundermountain, and I love Junction too.
Almost 600 hours in game and I feel I played/I know like 25% of the maps in the entire game.
It's insane how many maps/game modes (without even counting all the community ones) TF2 has has.
I know that i am late ,but even with this ammond of maps that we have in game + frequency that we get more, you could with similliar ammond of hourse have more % of played maps if old matchmaking was a thing now. All niche maps and gamemodes (like nightfall , pipeline , past time mode, payload reace, etc) would be played more offten if valve would fu** up quick play.
"Yuck-on"? Toofty pls, it's "Yoo-kon"!
I got called out that i play trade_plaza_2 almost everyday and i feel.. nothing, actually.
Honestly I like thundermountain alot so I was kinda mad when I saw the list at first...
Ive only spent about 20 hours on tf2 but I've grown to love freight so I was sad to see it all the way down there
One of my favorites is actually suijin because of its fun ammo and health placements and fun layout and flank potential
Fujin fun when no one caps and they just messs around in. It's a great map for exploring.
It kinda depends which map the game puts you on repeatedly, after playing badwater for 2 games in a row upward is refreshing but sometimes upward is bad
*Favorite:* Nucleus. I like how the fighting mostly takes place around the point rather than inside it. Simple fun.
*Least Favorite:* Steel. That confusing, indoor maze-like design of the 5 points absolutely sucks. Having each capture point change the layout of the map when captured is a good idea, but horrible execution.
I like Steel, but I understand it. Sometimes it also feels VERY small and chokey.
Once I enter the inside area of steel, I can never find a way get out.
I only managed to learn the layout after playing it a lot, but that’s because I like it
Noobs don't like Steel because it confuses them. You just need to play it more to realize it is probably the best pubber's map out there. Because unlike the other "just keep moving straight forward" on-rails maps, you have to actually have a strategy but be flexible if it goes wrong. I guess if you're nothing but brainless twitch you wouldn't like it, but if you like tactics, it is gold.
Once you get the hang of steel it's actually a insanely fun map. What makes it great is each class can has a spot on it where they're just unstoppable. All the sniper windows are overpowered, building a sentry anywhere is overpowered, heavy good around corners, every class is op on that map.
1:54 that ragdoll doe
I don’t know if this is just me but I really enjoy enclosure and would say it’s tied for my favorite payload map
sd_doomsday used to be my favourite before it suddenly disappeared for no apparent reason. I miss it.
cp_steal and tc_hydro are my favorites simply because of the concepts. They may have not been executed well but I wish to see more maps like them.
Damn that Baka Mitai at the end turned real dark real quick
In my opinion
Pl best map: badwater
Ctf best map: 2fort
Koth best map: harvest
Control point best map: 5gorge
Plr best map: hightower
Misc best map: degroot keep
A/D best map: dust bowl
Best custom map?
For attack/defend i would have to disagree and ask why no one mentions gravelpit. Also CTF, double cross, Landfall and Sawmill i feel are way better, specially Sawmill
Also most played maps without process
@9:34 the face of that scout when you snag him out of the air on accident with the grapple hook.
I really enjoy Watergate. tho most people dont even know what gamemode it is.
hardly anyone plays it
I like the gamemode, but the map crashes TF2 for me so I never play it. I'm guessing I'm not the only one.
1:54 Demoman sent flyin
Personal Favorite: Mossrock or Mountain Lab
Least Favorite: Junction
Junction not that bad if you have voice chat. Mountain lab is always fun. I never get it in the map rotations.
I hate all three of those maps
1:53 lmfao that demo ragdoll
Imma headout
Going to space
To Andromeda
Haha :D! That just made my day
My choices:
Best: Barnblitz
Worst: Hightower
For me upward i such a beautiful map for all classes. It has so much open spaces (great for rocket jumping/ sticky jumping), tight corridores, chokepoints and overall a very very nice theme. I love it so much, maybe a little bit too much cause i play it a ton. One thing i also wanted to say is that your videos have become so well put together its blowing me away. Please Toofty keep up the crazy work its amazing. Thank you! (I think i can speak for the community here :) )
Favorite: Upward, Dustbowl
Least favorite: Thundermountain,I just hate thundermountain because of the second and last stage, Junction how can someone enjoy this map?
I really like thunder mountain stage 2 tbh. I guess it's the fact that it's almost 100% flank routes makes it hard to stalemate
@@Deh9o11en8or i think people hate on Thundermountain either cuz ot's rainy (which instead is why i love it) or because it takes so long to finish, you have to go through all the e different parts to switch sides, and it's not as quick as other payload maps divided in 3 parts
That's a shame because the last stage in Thunder Mountain is my favourite part to get to
Thundermountain is my number one or two map. I also love Junction. Yes it's tight, but that forces a change up in your style of play. Why do people get so upset when they have to adapt?
I don't mind junction as solder or engie cuz I can lockdown all the problem areas. Thunder mountain is fun as spy but yeah. The final point on all the segments are crazy hard to deal with.
I think that 2fort is a map made for beginners to start getting used to the classes. There's pretty much a place for all the classes:
-the porch for the Sniper, Scout and rocket/sticky-jumping Soldier/Demo,
-the intel room/indoors courtyard for the Engineer and Heavy,
- the hallways for sticky trapping Demo, Soldier and Pyro
- water for the Pyrosharks
Fav: cp_foundry
Least fav: ctf_2fort
My favorite is pier. I think it is really unique and pretty, and I feel like people forget about it a lot. Though I've been seeing it a bit more recently.
Personal choices:
Favourite: hightower
Least favourite: everything
Also you are scout or sniper main?
Does everything include Hightower?
@@CamTheWarlock if tryhard soldier bf and lime pink scouts are in it, yeah
My absolute favorite map in tf2 has to be upward. It's nice and open, while also forcing you into some claustrophobic fights, and instead of a long, winding track like most payload maps, it loops around a central building, making the map more condensed and therefore more fun.
My least favorite map is without a doubt turbine. It just doesn't work.
2fort at this point is just a meme. And honestly, for a tiny map in the worst gamemode, it's not too bad.
Not even a single mention of ctf_landfall, my personal least favorite map by a huge margin
Please elaborate I need to know why
I basically 100% agree with your final listing, which i didn’t expect. Hats off to you sir, now if you would excuse me i have an apointment on upwater
Personal Choices
Favorite: Sawmill
Least Favorite: Turbine
but ctf sawmill or koth sawmill? there's a hell of a difference to the experience
@@connorturner4612 I like both. Personally, I really enjoy Sawmill, so I tend to play it longer as a CTF map. But both are good
3:23 “There I am, Gary! There I am!”
Most underrated map award to pl_barnblitz 🥺
Barnblitz is just Hoodoo but with snow…
'Least favourite: junction'
Amen brother, that map is positively claustrophobic
Americans don’t say “Dahta”, weird people do.
2:59 The main reason for that is the first few times you play the final point, you have no clue what's going on. This is probably because the pathing and structure is so different, looping around and over itself, and you can't see the inside of the building areas at a first glance.
My first few times seeing it, I just thought "Where does payload start? Where does it end? Where does it go?"
Yes, it's not that complex, but compared to the other maps it is.
PS. Upward + Badwater really great maps, 2Fort only good for memeing or chilling, never played Junction, and Metalworks is second best 5CP map.
Wait... People dislike thunder mountain? I guess not everyone is on Twitter so it makes sense, but that map is soooo much fun for every class, I thought.
Map is gorgeous, open as all hell, leads to good long matches, and variable enough from section to section to favor every class.
You're not alone! Fave thunder mountain stage is the last one for me
Honestly 2fort and turbine are both my favorites and least favorites
They’re fun to mess around and just casually do things, but the moment you want to try everyone just hates you and gets mad.
They’re also some of the most popular community server maps (of the base game maps) which lets me share my and see others sprays etc
Also I’m curious about this same question but for MvM
Both of those maps are my favorite maps when playing demoknight.
Best:
PL - Snowycoast
PLR - Hightower
A/D - Egypt
CTF - Landfall
5cp - Sunshine
Koth - Lakeside
Worst:
PL - Hoodoo
PLR - Pipeline
A/D - Junk shin
CTF - Turbine
5cp - Yukon
Koth - Badlands
Open for constructive criticism
What about the alt modes?
3:26 YO THAT'S MY TWEET EPIC!
Personal choices:
Favorite: 2fort
Least favorite: turbine
Me too
From a 6s/Highlander perspective: I think cp_process is a brilliantly designed map for 6s as it's THE 6s map. Really encouraging mobility classes, great general design and well balanced whether you're attacking or defending points (which is harder to do with 5cp), but if I have to play Highlander Engie on process again I will shoot myself- just not particularly designed for those classes. Similarly I'd say koth_viaduct, or the competitive version product that removes the snow aesthetic and makes a few more tweaks for gameplay and visibility. It's pretty well designed for every class to have some kind of role and space in the map even if it's a little hectic at times. As a highlander simp, still got to say Badwater and Upward are the best maps; so well designed, brilliantly balanced for all classes and everyone has a role on attack and defence
im one of the first three here
yaaay
Personal Favorite: Granary
No matter what class I pick, I never felt like I needed to pick a certain one to get a advantage on it. It feels right with all of them. Also allows for some great teamwork shenanigans.
Least Favorite: Turbine. It's literally a box. Because of the minuscle size, I wonder if it would fare better as a Arena map.
Also, fantastic video. Your TF2 content is one of my favorites because of the work you put into them.
“What’s the worst map in tf2?, junction obviously”
Man completely forgot that Wutville exists
Edit: I just realized this video was from 2020, dude had no idea what was to come
Swiftwater is the worst map. It looks good but god damn it sucks to play on.
*The main problem is that the spawn rooms are trash for both teams*
Blu first spawn has a useless door that leads to the opposite direction of the cart.
Red has a large spawnroom which takes too much time to navigate. If you play engineer here you are fucked if you want to resupply.
I think Upward is the perfect balance of being fun for casual play while not being a massive chokepoint stalemate map, it just has that all-around appeal.
Worst map: 2Fort
Hello, love your content
Upward is better than Badwater for the sole reason that upward doesn't have a "PRO" version for competitive play, while Badwater does; Upward was perfect from the very beginning.
What changes does the pro version make to Badwater?
@@Fin0fLenster There are actually several pro versions lol. Each one is completely different too.
No one likes Thundermountain because the third part is unwinnable.
"Howerdi here a toofy bucs since u haff ben so gud" on a picture of engineer with a stretched face at 9:03 It took me 10 minutes to get it, I had to set it to 0.25 speed and then keep pausing and playing the video.
The thing is: which is the best/worst map *of each gamemode*. That would be another interesting one.
i looked on teamwork, and it makes me really sad to see asteroid having 0 concurrent players. it's a good map imo
It got pulled out of the beta rotation for some reason a while back. So the only places that might be playing it would be community servers.
@@LividImp sadly nobody's playing it at all :( i've checked many many times
I actually really like thunder mountain, so it is surprising that people would place it as their least favourite map. I also think Borneo is very well designed.
i love upward and badwater. what i don't love about them, however, is the fact that every match is the same. red holds blu in their spawn for five minutes and then blu ends up winning easily. but hey, at least we all have fun playing on them, even if we loose.
I know they're not official maps, but honestly the mario kart maps are probably the ones I've had most fun with. They're cartoony, have very simple layouts and work for all classes - I like to play demoknight on them myself.
good video! also toofty, i saw you yesterday on enclosure, my name was Inspector Bonk, It was a pleasure playing with you!