This is very true actually. As a Sniper, I constantly try to predict how the enemy will move so I can line up my aim. F2Ps have some of the weirdest movement and it feels like it’s impossible to hit them
Echo you seems to be mistaken. Long range distance headshot usually will do at least 45-50 damage. Thats half health. That could make a sniper retreat for a sec. You know one headshot from far way with this And a rocket can kill him.
One of the absolute best things to do when you realize you're being targeted by a Sniper is to *LOOK STRAIGHT UP AND TURN SLIGHTLY TO THE RIGHT* This is because all of the classes are right-handed while also outstretching their left arm with their primary weapons and most secondary ones (Minus the Spy); by doing this technique, their *left arm* will be covering their face within the world and it has been proven that bullets (And arrows) will hit their arm and it will count as a bodyshot! However, don't try this with Melee weapons; doesn't work as well Although this technique doesn't always work, it has saved my life so many times, it's unbelievable!
What? My favourite uncle and my favourite drunk demolition man uploaded in the same day? What is this black magic? Also, how to deal with snipers, you ask? Demopan them. That's my solution. If that isn't in the video, I'll be sad :c
pedro lime While pressing E can block a headshot, it only does so when you are facing a very specific angle relative to the sniper, as you need to have you character block the shot with their hand, stopping the shot from registering as a headshot
Lorcan Engledow Does that actually work? I know in CSGO (another source game, and also by valve) characters cannot block shots with their arms because the damage is registered on the most vulnerable part of the body. If someone is flashbanged and a shot goes through their arm and head, they will take head damage. If they are shot upwards through the dick and the bullet goes through the character's head, the take head damage. It might be different for TF2 though.
As a medic whenever I'm left alone without any teammates near me and there's an enemy sniper I proceed to press every single key on my keyboard out of desperation. Works 90% of the time.
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TheReal Radmus Yes! That's one of the best tips there! Be cunning, be smarter, die a lot, get experience and watch the hard TF2 world and learn! This is how I got to be decent sniper by watching how enemy snipers are moving, acting and shooting. Then after few hours of studying others I started to fight back.
TheReal Radmus unexpectedly im not. Im a demo/spy main. A little more demo but usually snipers aren' t a treat. For spy of couse. For demo if you know how to spam long range no big problem unless the sniper have 3000 hrs and more
As a sniper main I find it very hard to hit some new players cause they sometimes move so randomly and they have no idea what they are doing. Like some of them just move in a straight line and they just stop out of nowhere. But if you don’t wanna get killed by a sniper just don’t jump. It’s so easy to predict your movement if you jump and if you shoot a sniper from time to time while he’s scoping with like a shotgun of something the scope like flinches (not sure if that’s how you pronaunce it but you’ll prob. get the point) so that’s kinda annoying. So yeah, I’m not sure if writing this comment was worth it but there you have it.
The whole scope flinch can be pretty much completely negated by the cozy camper for hard scopers and for quick scopers the flinch makes no difference but good tip for new players👍
Primordial 02 ty for the tip but I’m not a new player I’ve been around a few years now. But that’s not really my play style, I don’t like to hardscope all that much.
Kalle Kopio Ye I know yer not new and Ye have yer experiences but in my experience as someone who tends to quickscope i have never had issues with flinching
Hey I was a participant in the prolander cup today and just wanna day thanks for mentioning it as it’s a great way to start out comp tf and the admins are awesome!
Another reason you don't jump is that snipers aim for your head (duh). And when you jump, that head spot is kinda taken by your body. So even if you DO jump unpredictably and they don't account for it, they'll still hit a bodyshot - if fully charged, this can still kill most light classes.
As a sniper main here is how to beat us: 1.) Do not watch for laser sights. 2.) Stand still as much as possible. 3.) Walk in predictable patterns. 4.) Do not shoot at Snipers. 5.) Do not spam crouch when facing one. 6.) Stand afk in sightlines as much as possible. 7.) Do not tell your teammates about us if you lack long range.
Countering snipers: -avoid snipers that have more than 2 brain cells -go for the ones that either unbind/ignore (Right click|was|headset and or completely blind) That's all I have but I guarantee you'll never get headshot again
A nice melee combat tip is when your facing a normal melee. You wiggle back and forth and when they swing back up to stay just out of their reach and hit an in the face. Now against a demoknight its slightly different woth their longer range. I win most demoknight v demoknight battles by stepping to the left or right when they swing and when i swing doing this I flick my aim to the left or right depending on where they are at. Almost guaranteeing a hit for me and a miss for them. Its an easy trick to learn and can be applied to all melee fights.
Reza A don't forget that most smart demoknights are weary of spies, they will back up and doing what i said above using their superior range against said spy. But your run of the mill pub demoknight won't be as smart and what you said will work a few times. But most will begin to learn and make stabing them a good deal more difficult. edit: written before I realized its demo v demo and not demo v sphee
Countering sniper: Dont leave spawn. Sniper is a class balanced around the fact that he can instantly kill anything in any range instantly with no counters other than the invincibility of Stock Ubercharge so you should abuse his weakness of being unable to kill players who conga in spawn away from the doors as much as possible. If you're having trouble doing this it may help to simply press the power button on your computer as it'll make you invulnerable to snipers until you press it again.
as a sniper main I should say pressing every key in your keyboard is Very effective but now in 2020 some of us are so good that we don't miss any shots manly those that have some numbers or bot in their name but you know they are not cheating they are just good at the game
moving your aim left and right in addition to moving your character left and right only helps if you are playing a character that's leaning forwards since his head is farther forwards than his player rotate pivit point (his spine) so looking around physically moves his head hitbox (works well if you are playing as soldier , demo , puro , engi and scout but it disorientated you a bit)
Aiming high with pipes can sometimes land a decent kill on Snipers. Usually at least one connects with the immobile target and the surrounding rollers can kill the Sniper, but it typically requires you to really lead a shot upwards to account for the drop.
As a spy main let me tell you this: Razorback snipers almost always have the worst cases of tunnel vision, i'm pretty sure you could even get away with some taunt kills
Sniper is the hardest class to balance. Since he has the most consistent long range dps, a map has to be aware of the class in order to be fun to play. An example of a map that is sniper friendly is Upward but one that is very unfriendly is Junction. All other classes are incredibly easy to balance for comparatively
I'm not a sniper main but I know that looking around helps against headshots, because of the non simetric player model of the head is not in the center and is always moved a little from the center, most obvious example is scout. Even if he doesn't wiggle and only moves his camera, his heads position changes a lot.
The crusader's crossbow is also very very good for clearing sightlines. Any competent sniper will immediately rush to spawn or a health pack when they get smacked with a wopping 75 damage, and the oblivious ones just give you a free kill.
with the air dance, it's actually really helpful if the enemy sniper only knows how to aim with prediction, because if they think that you're going to move a certain way and then you move a different way, they try to snap their aim and miss, giving you an opportunity to get up close
@4:00 as a sniper main i can say, doing this is A distracting B makes us falsely think your moveing somewhere else, due to where your looking but most of all C whilst its not really shifting your hitbox, it shifts your head, which in turn makes us shift to try and match, its difficult to clock on that the hitbox hasnt really moved, due to us not seeing. whilst that strategy isnt the be all and end all, a decent sniper can counter it, but non the less it makes the job harder
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I may not be a Sniper main, but he is one of my most-played classes, and the best tips I can give are 1: Be as unpredictable to the Sniper as possible. Move around crazy, move your mouse, hell you could stop moving entirely and it'll throw off their aim. 2: Recoil is a Sniper's worst enemy. Even 1 point of chip damage will completely ruin their shot. Fire especially is devastating
To go along with what you said about chip damaging Snipers to get them to sort of back off, you can do that as Engineer with the Wrangler to shoot from beyond its normal range. That'll get Snipers a bit nervous, and you can use the Sentry's shield to take their shots.
With most classes, demo too, spastically looking around can easily avoid headshots. Some classes can even use their hand when calling a medic to make a headshot count as bodyshot.
Fun fact: snipers can headshot cloaked spies I say this, because as spy, when running from a sniper, cloak and take a less predictable route Because I managed to predict the location of an invisible spy and headshot them while I was sniper I don’t remember the exact circumstances I think I missed a shot, they cloaked, I saw the direction they went I aimed to where I thought they would be, waited til I thought they’d be there, shot and headshot
i know this is a year old but a sniper lazer can become wonky if the sniper is hovering over an invisible spy, however it's very hard to catch and likely you'll not catch if you don't suspect a spy there
When you wiggle around and move you mouse a bunch it actually helps a lot because the hit boxes of demo man and most of the classes kind of lean forward so when you wiggle the mouse there’s a good chance that you hide some of your head hit box behind the body. Don’t know why I’m sharing this it annoys me so much when that happens but hey there it is.
I can't remember which video it was, but someone had a clip of them trying to snipe a fully rev'd up Heavy... who, right before the shot, looked straight up, meaning his hand was in front of his head and blocked the headshot. "I have outsmarted bullet!"
When you're doing the "unpredictable" movements, avoid jumping/falling small heights. Kinda like when you're trying to airshot people, there's only one general direction you can flick your mouse- down. When you jump a sniper and he backs off to get cover, don't generally follow him (don't follow when he's in the front line or at their backlines. Usually follow him when he's at backlines) Because when he gets cover, he knows where your head is going to be in the next 5 seconds if you're not careful. I've seen so many clips and the hardest of the headshots to achieve is when you are NOT facing the sniper doing spiky movements. I've seen b4nny avoid snipers by JUMPING (yes, bit contradicting to what i say BUT-) he strafes immediately to the sides. Stop doing the A D A D A D movement because sniper will shoot between the 2 positions and hit them without any efforts. I personally like to c-tap whenever i see a competent sniper (can hit headshots but not godly headshots) but i don't know if it works or not. *And never fucking counter a sniper by also playing as sniper*
4:15 as a sniper main i can tell you this helps and it doesn't, let me explai. so there two types of snipers that we will be focusing on, one with snipers to understand sniping it's most basic forum which is just aiming at the head physically on the model and then there are the snipers who understand how hitboxes work and most likely are able to pull off Flicks. the first one I mentioned would be fooled by that little dance you do and try to track your model's head, the second one KNOWS that the dance doesn't actually change the head hitbox and kill you anyway.
another good tip when fighting (usually) casual snipers and sometimes even spies: psychological warfare. taunting, smacktalk, and general whittling down of their ego tends to make it more difficult for people to hit their shots.
7:46 Clearly you haven't played against super serious, very pro snipers who will always headshot you close range, no matter what you do. No but seriously, 90% of snipers will scope in point blank and they will headshot you, no questions asked.
I tend to top off my health so I can peak for longer times or have more to go on should I be ambushed. Remaining un scope for periods of time helps with watching out for bomber. It's also really fun to bait enemies that chase you into a sentry nest.
Sniper main here! That thing you did in the beginning of the vid where you having a mental breakdown movement, that can 90% be succsesfull but just DONT DROP DOWN FROM ANY PLATFORM. The way source works is that if a sniper shoots a tiny bit above your head it will register as a headshot cause there is a 0.5 or something second delay
With the huntsman, a vital tip is to stay out of mid-ranged fights, where the weapon is the strongest. It's easier to dodge at longer ranges, and in melee it can still kill you but it will take time for them to fully charge the shot and hopefully by then you will be able to finish them off.
toofty , you have helped so much because as a demoman main myself I hated it when I was in the snipers range all the time in 2fort. But with the advice of stickey snipe I now can make them run away Thanks man
Be me in my "good days" >Get some of the sickest airheadshots against soldiers and demos >Dominate 2 pyros and a scout >2nd most points in the team >Miss every headshot on a brass beast heavy >Lose your aim and luck >Cry
By the way, dancing around really helps. I myself being a Sniper Main, i can say this because i myself use that technique, principally on Huntsman/Sniper Rifle duels, because the hitbox really mess up, another technique is spamming ctrl in the air. That really fucks the hitbox.
TooftyTV Pro tip:If u see a sniper in a sightline like in 11:20 if you need ammo and u dont want to peek trough the corner shoot the sticky infront of the ammo box and detonate it :D
4:12 as a sniper main, the thing when u turn like crazy doesnt really helps bc the head is still at the same place, the only thing is we probably wont hit your face itself. its even easier to headshot bc when u turn like this its harder to move and you are almost standing still wich makes it really ez to hit. but yeah the other tips are really good
How do you sticky jump at 6:33 and lose only like 60-70 hp? I always feel like I've lost at least 100 every time I try to sticky jump without the sticky jumper.
One of my little tricks in the open as any slower class (Demo/Soldier/Heavy) is to never really stop looking around and jumping. Makes your hitbox go all over the place. Also, if you jump, hit crouch right after to mess with the Sniper's shot. All of these classes can survive a fully-charged bodyshot, so don't worry.
As someone who plays Sniper a lot, I guess it's fair to throw in my two cents too. Getting in melee range as listed has its benefits and drawbacks. Paranoid snipers routinely check around them constantly and those worth their salt try not to tunnel vision themselves for more than a few seconds, and have ears that can detect the slightest sound of movement or better yet, a spy uncloaking. Clever snipers under pressure often have an available escape route and/or a reactionary plan in case of X. X being like a Scout or Pyro in their face. Like say a corner a Sniper being bugged by a Scout and his scattergun where there's a quick corner to round about to get out of being shot, it's likely he's just waiting by that corner with his melee weapon out and he's bound to score a random crit here and there as many people give chase to a sniper thinking they're absolutely defenseless when someone is in their face. But like with Medics, there's many options for a more experienced player in such situation that one mustn't get too over zealous or cocky. Also, beware the snapshots. Even if they're fairly close, but not taking damage in that one specific second, there's a very real possibility they'll pull off a headshot which the 150 damage spells instant doom to just about everyone. Taking that 150 often forces their assailant to flee less the next bodyshot finishes them off for everyone that lives the headshot and is not a heavy. This skill develops in perhaps the countless sniper duels that infest casual on the aftermentioned sniper friendly maps where getting quick headshots in with ninja reflexes. Wiggling helps as they try to line up the headshot and confuses their 6th sense of predicting where you will be, along with looking in random directions. Until they give up and resort to a bodyshot, but even if you take the full 150 or 173 (if from Machina) and live, you'll probably be out of their line of sight. And yes, just keep pressure on them in general. If they can't setup to snipe or scope down their gun for even a second without eating a grenade or rocket, then you can't get headshotted. But don't get too cocky - you may mulch through casual snipers a dime a dozen and get the drop on more experienced ones, but there will be that one guy who's a living aimbot that's polite, efficient, and got a plan to kill everyone he/she meets.
4:15 As someone who does do a fair share of sniping in not just TF2 but in other games as well, I do find the more erratic movement is harder to hit shots, in particular Battlefront 2 and Planetside 2 where every weapon has a projectile speed, since if a Sniper chooses to pick you off in any game, at least me personally I hope that you don't notice me, since the second I get spotted I know landing shots is going to get harder. Other then that and this goes for any game, just fire in their general area, for instance in TF2 any of Heavy's Miniguns and Pyro's flareguns are great for just keeping a Sniper down, in Battlefront 2 the CR-2 is great for this as well since while this might have some people scratching their heads since the CR-2 is very clearly a short ranged weapon, it has the fastest rate of fire in the game (and Ionshots don't have a downside on it because of how many shots it puts out but that is beside the point), so it can simply put enough shots down range to force a Sniper to stay in cover. As for sniping Snipers, put as much cover between you and the other Sniper as you can, force them to come into your sightline.
I like watching these "dealing with" videos because I want to be just a little bit better at and more informed about 1v1 situations with demoman. What's really funny about this video is that my second least played class is demo and my least played is, you guessed it, sniper.
I don’t play demo though, and this video is heavily geared towards demos. I get these can be applied to most classes, but I’d like a more comprehensive video listing tactics for each class.
Im a Sniper Main and the dance you do can throw new-advanced players off but pros, forget about it. Im an advanced sniper, and they throw me off sometimes but, the dances i have encountet was more "Look down and spin as a mad man" Hope this helps on your question BTW love your vids ;D
One time I was playing scout on Turbine and I ran up to a sniper who was scoped in, and I stood next to him for a couple moments before I shot him, and the knock back from my Force a Nature sent him so far, the fall damage finished him off
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10:40 *has crits*
*uses jarate*
Bartje *dies*
*Genius!*
Bartje
Crits x2
obviously the damage stacks, duh.
Pro spotted
Remember if you taunt after killing a sniper it actually lowers their intelligence by 90%
it's for all classes, don't forget it lowers their aim
And most of all when you are a enemy sniper using the Sydney sleeper and a gibus
the one exception its if its a revenge kill
@Banane i honestly believe every bit of what you said.
This also works 10% more effectively if they taunt after they kill.
Countering snipers :
- Be a f2p.
- They cant predict where you are going when you yourself don't even know what you are doing.
The RNG gods will do the job for you.
This is very true actually. As a Sniper, I constantly try to predict how the enemy will move so I can line up my aim. F2Ps have some of the weirdest movement and it feels like it’s impossible to hit them
What does your account status have to do with your movement?
basically beggars bazooka
@@negan5525 lol can't you read
"As a spy you could use your Ambassador."
Those were the days...
CEDAR :(
Echo
Cough Cough *Diamondback* Cough Cough
Echo you seems to be mistaken.
Long range distance headshot usually will do at least 45-50 damage.
Thats half health. That could make a sniper retreat for a sec.
You know one headshot from far way with this And a rocket can kill him.
Fan Growls Yeah, but unfortunately literally every other gun is a better option now if you're dealing with snipers. The Ambassador os garbage now.
Aww,so sad.
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"try to avoid jumping at snipers"
Soundsmith tf2: how about no
Soundsmith after getting killed: valve remove sniper
Valve: OK BOOMER
That's not just jumping, that's straight up flying
@@Technotoadnotafrog nono, its FLYING AT SOMEONE AT MACH 5 WITH A FUCKING SHOVEL
Straffing: allow me to introduce myself
how to deal with sniper?
sticky jumper and a pan
OOF
Seems legit.
Almost every class has an advantage against a sniper
It's rare to find a good sniper
Or rocket jump and a shovel
we had the same steam name :D
One of the absolute best things to do when you realize you're being targeted by a Sniper is to *LOOK STRAIGHT UP AND TURN SLIGHTLY TO THE RIGHT*
This is because all of the classes are right-handed while also outstretching their left arm with their primary weapons and most secondary ones (Minus the Spy); by doing this technique, their *left arm* will be covering their face within the world and it has been proven that bullets (And arrows) will hit their arm and it will count as a bodyshot!
However, don't try this with Melee weapons; doesn't work as well
Although this technique doesn't always work, it has saved my life so many times, it's unbelievable!
Huh neat
shounic has already made a video about this technique.
Kinda unrelated but I use left handed viewmodels and love cornerpeaking w/ hunstman on corners the other sniper might expect me to expose my head for.
If the shot is fully charged and you’ve already took damage you’re still most likely gonna die, if not he can still finish you with a quick body shot
Charged body shots go brrr
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believe it
Asther Phoenix I can't
Same
I can’t believe your dae isnt home yet
@Jane Doe it’s been 2 years
Say it with me everybody:
Sniper NO sniping
Sniper NO sniping
oh man!
Bugger
"Aw piss"
*Burns*
@Ross The shadow beyblade boy *tried to shoot me with jarate*
“DON’T JUMP!” Literally a second after “Okay so let’s jump into the main juicy tips.”
What? My favourite uncle and my favourite drunk demolition man uploaded in the same day? What is this black magic?
Also, how to deal with snipers, you ask? Demopan them. That's my solution. If that isn't in the video, I'll be sad :c
And favorite spy
The Dusarmy
HOW COULD YOU?!
Dane is the true uncle.
For me its loose cannon,sticky jumper and scotsmans/pan
*laughs in shahanshah random crits*
HiGPS has a few videos where he explains the little dance. It is actually quite effective and in some cases it can block your head hitbox completely.
On classes that are hunched over (like scout) it swings your head hitbox around, making it harder to track.
its called pressing the e key
pedro lime While pressing E can block a headshot, it only does so when you are facing a very specific angle relative to the sniper, as you need to have you character block the shot with their hand, stopping the shot from registering as a headshot
Lorcan Engledow Does that actually work? I know in CSGO (another source game, and also by valve) characters cannot block shots with their arms because the damage is registered on the most vulnerable part of the body. If someone is flashbanged and a shot goes through their arm and head, they will take head damage. If they are shot upwards through the dick and the bullet goes through the character's head, the take head damage. It might be different for TF2 though.
It does, the shot would be registered as a bodyshot if it hit the characters hand, but its still so situational it'll probably never happen in a match
As a medic whenever I'm left alone without any teammates near me and there's an enemy sniper I proceed to press every single key on my keyboard out of desperation. Works 90% of the time.
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getting close to sniper? HAH! i use smg all the time so I'm safe from close range combat.
*dies by 2 demoknight
Purple Bonez Bonez it does crap damage though
TF2 IS NUB COD REEE SMG IS SO STUPID!(lol I love tf2)
the only good close range sniper weapon is the sniper rifle lmao
Raeming it does 2x more dps than unscoped rifle tho
Raeming nah huntsman master race
Sniper main here
to counter snipers: be unpredictable
TheReal Radmus Yes! That's one of the best tips there! Be cunning, be smarter, die a lot, get experience and watch the hard TF2 world and learn! This is how I got to be decent sniper by watching how enemy snipers are moving, acting and shooting. Then after few hours of studying others I started to fight back.
TheReal Radmus quitting the game exactly before they shoot .
Thats unpredictablr as fuck
Fan Growls is 100% a salty soldier main
But yes, that always catches us off guard
TheReal Radmus unexpectedly im not.
Im a demo/spy main.
A little more demo but usually snipers aren' t a treat.
For spy of couse.
For demo if you know how to spam long range no big problem unless the sniper have 3000 hrs and more
You can't dodge hit scan.
As a sniper main I find it very hard to hit some new players cause they sometimes move so randomly and they have no idea what they are doing. Like some of them just move in a straight line and they just stop out of nowhere. But if you don’t wanna get killed by a sniper just don’t jump. It’s so easy to predict your movement if you jump and if you shoot a sniper from time to time while he’s scoping with like a shotgun of something the scope like flinches (not sure if that’s how you pronaunce it but you’ll prob. get the point) so that’s kinda annoying. So yeah, I’m not sure if writing this comment was worth it but there you have it.
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Nah man, I'm a demo main and sometimes it's stupidly hard to new players.
The whole scope flinch can be pretty much completely negated by the cozy camper for hard scopers and for quick scopers the flinch makes no difference but good tip for new players👍
Primordial 02 ty for the tip but I’m not a new player I’ve been around a few years now. But that’s not really my play style, I don’t like to hardscope all that much.
Kalle Kopio Ye I know yer not new and Ye have yer experiences but in my experience as someone who tends to quickscope i have never had issues with flinching
Hey I was a participant in the prolander cup today and just wanna day thanks for mentioning it as it’s a great way to start out comp tf and the admins are awesome!
What's the skill level for fmpl I'm really new and want to try it out but I don't know how good I should be
Another reason you don't jump is that snipers aim for your head (duh).
And when you jump, that head spot is kinda taken by your body.
So even if you DO jump unpredictably and they don't account for it, they'll still hit a bodyshot - if fully charged, this can still kill most light classes.
or somebody that haves eyelander without the ali baba wee booties.
P.S also slow you down mid air so they can't get close to you.
As a sniper main I wish they'd remove sniper
Lol, even the people maining him hate snoipah
You know the balancing is that shit when even the Sniper main hates himself.
You sound very bad at the game tbh.
so you don't have to deal with other sniper ?
Its unoriginal and it should be replaced with sonething unique
Dealing with snipers
Step 1: learn how to trolldier
Step 2: market garden the sniper you dealing with it
Step 3:profit
As a sniper main here is how to beat us:
1.) Do not watch for laser sights.
2.) Stand still as much as possible.
3.) Walk in predictable patterns.
4.) Do not shoot at Snipers.
5.) Do not spam crouch when facing one.
6.) Stand afk in sightlines as much as possible.
7.) Do not tell your teammates about us if you lack long range.
"No jumping" "okay so let's jump into some of the main, juicy tips now'
Countering snipers:
-avoid snipers that have more than 2 brain cells
-go for the ones that either unbind/ignore
(Right click|was|headset and or completely blind)
That's all I have but I guarantee you'll never get headshot again
A nice melee combat tip is when your facing a normal melee. You wiggle back and forth and when they swing back up to stay just out of their reach and hit an in the face. Now against a demoknight its slightly different woth their longer range. I win most demoknight v demoknight battles by stepping to the left or right when they swing and when i swing doing this I flick my aim to the left or right depending on where they are at. Almost guaranteeing a hit for me and a miss for them. Its an easy trick to learn and can be applied to all melee fights.
Rigna Tetris thanks for the tip
Using trickstab techniques like 'matador' and strafing left and right helps in demoknight one on ones too.
Reza A don't forget that most smart demoknights are weary of spies, they will back up and doing what i said above using their superior range against said spy. But your run of the mill pub demoknight won't be as smart and what you said will work a few times. But most will begin to learn and make stabing them a good deal more difficult.
edit: written before I realized its demo v demo and not demo v sphee
but sniper has 1 hidden feature to his melee kit:
75% of the time, he somehow hits you even tho you're out of his reach...
and it's a crit
Countering sniper: Dont leave spawn.
Sniper is a class balanced around the fact that he can instantly kill anything in any range instantly with no counters other than the invincibility of Stock Ubercharge so you should abuse his weakness of being unable to kill players who conga in spawn away from the doors as much as possible.
If you're having trouble doing this it may help to simply press the power button on your computer as it'll make you invulnerable to snipers until you press it again.
3:55 "When I'm just PANicking"
as a sniper main I should say pressing every key in your keyboard is Very effective but now in 2020 some of us are so good that we don't miss any shots manly those that have some numbers or bot in their name but you know they are not cheating they are just good at the game
Answer: You don't
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Yep. Sad news he actually got hacked :(
I got him in friends list
How did he get hacked?
moving your aim left and right in addition to moving your character left and right only helps if you are playing a character that's leaning forwards since his head is farther forwards than his player rotate pivit point (his spine) so looking around physically moves his head hitbox (works well if you are playing as soldier , demo , puro , engi and scout but it disorientated you a bit)
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Aiming high with pipes can sometimes land a decent kill on Snipers. Usually at least one connects with the immobile target and the surrounding rollers can kill the Sniper, but it typically requires you to really lead a shot upwards to account for the drop.
Sniper: uses the classic
Toofty: ...
As a medic main, it is my god given duty to jump around like a madman
That wiggle you do is a nightmare, Not only is your movement path unpredictable but you're moving your head hitbox at the same time
As a spy main let me tell you this: Razorback snipers almost always have the worst cases of tunnel vision, i'm pretty sure you could even get away with some taunt kills
4:07 being unpredictable is one of rare cases in TF2 so, good job mate.
Toofty : "Dont jump"
Toofty 5 seconds later : "Lets jump into the next tip!"
Sniper is the hardest class to balance. Since he has the most consistent long range dps, a map has to be aware of the class in order to be fun to play. An example of a map that is sniper friendly is Upward but one that is very unfriendly is Junction. All other classes are incredibly easy to balance for comparatively
@@DrNemirovsky Pyro is balanced.
@@everchosenlily That just isn't even remotely accurate.
0:47 Redstone engineer gone relaxing himself lol
I'm not a sniper main but I know that looking around helps against headshots, because of the non simetric player model of the head is not in the center and is always moved a little from the center, most obvious example is scout. Even if he doesn't wiggle and only moves his camera, his heads position changes a lot.
8:21 I didn’t know demo could market garden
01:40 inhuman thoughts like pyro?
Love the World's Most Oblivious 2Fort Pyrovision Gibus Sniper ™ at the end.
The crusader's crossbow is also very very good for clearing sightlines. Any competent sniper will immediately rush to spawn or a health pack when they get smacked with a wopping 75 damage, and the oblivious ones just give you a free kill.
with the air dance, it's actually really helpful if the enemy sniper only knows how to aim with prediction, because if they think that you're going to move a certain way and then you move a different way, they try to snap their aim and miss, giving you an opportunity to get up close
@4:00 as a sniper main i can say, doing this is A distracting B makes us falsely think your moveing somewhere else, due to where your looking but most of all C whilst its not really shifting your hitbox, it shifts your head, which in turn makes us shift to try and match, its difficult to clock on that the hitbox hasnt really moved, due to us not seeing. whilst that strategy isnt the be all and end all, a decent sniper can counter it, but non the less it makes the job harder
The Fresh Meat cup was a blast! Good job to everyone that competed it was a real experince also kudos do RRPR for a great final match. My team was so happy and excited when we won finals and took 1st place. Thanks Toofty for giving this cup some exposure you the real mvp :)
I may not be a Sniper main, but he is one of my most-played classes, and the best tips I can give are 1: Be as unpredictable to the Sniper as possible. Move around crazy, move your mouse, hell you could stop moving entirely and it'll throw off their aim. 2: Recoil is a Sniper's worst enemy. Even 1 point of chip damage will completely ruin their shot. Fire especially is devastating
Spys suck at killing us sniper mains, they probably just watched meet the spy. We stay behind lines, spys can't get to us
Dealing with snipers: Dont, you aren't gonna do shit unless you are another sniper
To go along with what you said about chip damaging Snipers to get them to sort of back off, you can do that as Engineer with the Wrangler to shoot from beyond its normal range. That'll get Snipers a bit nervous, and you can use the Sentry's shield to take their shots.
Whenever a sniper spots me, I just 360 jump crouch wiggle
With most classes, demo too, spastically looking around can easily avoid headshots. Some classes can even use their hand when calling a medic to make a headshot count as bodyshot.
I think all classes can do that just some are harder to pull off
"easily"
*WHEEZE*
I play medic and I only stay out of sight or if I have to cross the sight I cross it as fast as I can
Fun fact: snipers can headshot cloaked spies
I say this, because as spy, when running from a sniper, cloak and take a less predictable route
Because I managed to predict the location of an invisible spy and headshot them while I was sniper
I don’t remember the exact circumstances
I think I missed a shot, they cloaked, I saw the direction they went I aimed to where I thought they would be, waited til I thought they’d be there, shot and headshot
i know this is a year old but a sniper lazer can become wonky if the sniper is hovering over an invisible spy, however it's very hard to catch and likely you'll not catch if you don't suspect a spy there
When you wiggle around and move you mouse a bunch it actually helps a lot because the hit boxes of demo man and most of the classes kind of lean forward so when you wiggle the mouse there’s a good chance that you hide some of your head hit box behind the body. Don’t know why I’m sharing this it annoys me so much when that happens but hey there it is.
I can't remember which video it was, but someone had a clip of them trying to snipe a fully rev'd up Heavy... who, right before the shot, looked straight up, meaning his hand was in front of his head and blocked the headshot. "I have outsmarted bullet!"
the head spinning can throw us off as your head hitbox moves as you look around
1:53 That interaction felt nice :3
When you're doing the "unpredictable" movements, avoid jumping/falling small heights. Kinda like when you're trying to airshot people, there's only one general direction you can flick your mouse- down.
When you jump a sniper and he backs off to get cover, don't generally follow him (don't follow when he's in the front line or at their backlines. Usually follow him when he's at backlines) Because when he gets cover, he knows where your head is going to be in the next 5 seconds if you're not careful.
I've seen so many clips and the hardest of the headshots to achieve is when you are NOT facing the sniper doing spiky movements. I've seen b4nny avoid snipers by JUMPING (yes, bit contradicting to what i say BUT-) he strafes immediately to the sides.
Stop doing the A D A D A D movement because sniper will shoot between the 2 positions and hit them without any efforts.
I personally like to c-tap whenever i see a competent sniper (can hit headshots but not godly headshots) but i don't know if it works or not.
*And never fucking counter a sniper by also playing as sniper*
1:09 With a yin, there is always a yang. -i don't know if this is a quote
2:54 that poor soldier who needed the health pack.
4:15 as a sniper main i can tell you this helps and it doesn't, let me explai. so there two types of snipers that we will be focusing on, one with snipers to understand sniping it's most basic forum which is just aiming at the head physically on the model and then there are the snipers who understand how hitboxes work and most likely are able to pull off Flicks. the first one I mentioned would be fooled by that little dance you do and try to track your model's head, the second one KNOWS that the dance doesn't actually change the head hitbox and kill you anyway.
It's always the Gibus snipers who get the most absurd headshots on you... and then they never hit you again.
another good tip when fighting (usually) casual snipers and sometimes even spies: psychological warfare. taunting, smacktalk, and general whittling down of their ego tends to make it more difficult for people to hit their shots.
7:46 Clearly you haven't played against super serious, very pro snipers who will always headshot you close range, no matter what you do. No but seriously, 90% of snipers will scope in point blank and they will headshot you, no questions asked.
says don't jump okay lets jump into some of the main juicy tips now
2:30 that’s such a good idea. How has no one thought of that?
as a scout you need to trick the sniper into thinking that youre going somewhere toward him but then switch
I tend to top off my health so I can peak for longer times or have more to go on should I be ambushed. Remaining un scope for periods of time helps with watching out for bomber. It's also really fun to bait enemies that chase you into a sentry nest.
Sniper main here! That thing you did in the beginning of the vid where you having a mental breakdown movement, that can 90% be succsesfull but just DONT DROP DOWN FROM ANY PLATFORM. The way source works is that if a sniper shoots a tiny bit above your head it will register as a headshot cause there is a 0.5 or something second delay
With the huntsman, a vital tip is to stay out of mid-ranged fights, where the weapon is the strongest. It's easier to dodge at longer ranges, and in melee it can still kill you but it will take time for them to fully charge the shot and hopefully by then you will be able to finish them off.
3:56 *_Bud um tiss_*
Start calling medic and crouching randomly, the hand can block headshots, and crouching can occasionally throw their shot off completely.
toofty ,
you have helped so much because as a demoman main myself I hated it when I was in the snipers range all the time in 2fort.
But with the advice of stickey snipe
I now can make them run away
Thanks man
Be me in my "good days"
>Get some of the sickest airheadshots against soldiers and demos
>Dominate 2 pyros and a scout
>2nd most points in the team
>Miss every headshot on a brass beast heavy
>Lose your aim and luck
>Cry
the thing with looking around helps if you are falling down from a platform or something high because it changes the head hitbox also crouch
By the way, dancing around really helps. I myself being a Sniper Main, i can say this because i myself use that technique, principally on Huntsman/Sniper Rifle duels, because the hitbox really mess up, another technique is spamming ctrl in the air. That really fucks the hitbox.
TooftyTV Pro tip:If u see a sniper in a sightline like in 11:20 if you need ammo and u dont want to peek trough the corner shoot the sticky infront of the ammo box and detonate it :D
4:12
as a sniper main, the thing when u turn like crazy doesnt really helps bc the head is still at the same place, the only thing is we probably wont hit your face itself. its even easier to headshot bc when u turn like this its harder to move and you are almost standing still wich makes it really ez to hit. but yeah the other tips are really good
Medic: *exists*
Portable dispenser:
Darn
How do you sticky jump at 6:33 and lose only like 60-70 hp? I always feel like I've lost at least 100 every time I try to sticky jump without the sticky jumper.
One of my little tricks in the open as any slower class (Demo/Soldier/Heavy) is to never really stop looking around and jumping. Makes your hitbox go all over the place. Also, if you jump, hit crouch right after to mess with the Sniper's shot. All of these classes can survive a fully-charged bodyshot, so don't worry.
As someone who plays Sniper a lot, I guess it's fair to throw in my two cents too.
Getting in melee range as listed has its benefits and drawbacks. Paranoid snipers routinely check around them constantly and those worth their salt try not to tunnel vision themselves for more than a few seconds, and have ears that can detect the slightest sound of movement or better yet, a spy uncloaking. Clever snipers under pressure often have an available escape route and/or a reactionary plan in case of X. X being like a Scout or Pyro in their face. Like say a corner a Sniper being bugged by a Scout and his scattergun where there's a quick corner to round about to get out of being shot, it's likely he's just waiting by that corner with his melee weapon out and he's bound to score a random crit here and there as many people give chase to a sniper thinking they're absolutely defenseless when someone is in their face. But like with Medics, there's many options for a more experienced player in such situation that one mustn't get too over zealous or cocky.
Also, beware the snapshots. Even if they're fairly close, but not taking damage in that one specific second, there's a very real possibility they'll pull off a headshot which the 150 damage spells instant doom to just about everyone. Taking that 150 often forces their assailant to flee less the next bodyshot finishes them off for everyone that lives the headshot and is not a heavy. This skill develops in perhaps the countless sniper duels that infest casual on the aftermentioned sniper friendly maps where getting quick headshots in with ninja reflexes.
Wiggling helps as they try to line up the headshot and confuses their 6th sense of predicting where you will be, along with looking in random directions. Until they give up and resort to a bodyshot, but even if you take the full 150 or 173 (if from Machina) and live, you'll probably be out of their line of sight.
And yes, just keep pressure on them in general. If they can't setup to snipe or scope down their gun for even a second without eating a grenade or rocket, then you can't get headshotted. But don't get too cocky - you may mulch through casual snipers a dime a dozen and get the drop on more experienced ones, but there will be that one guy who's a living aimbot that's polite, efficient, and got a plan to kill everyone he/she meets.
Bonus tip: keep your distance until they fire a shot. Due to the reload time, you'll have a short chance to safely attack.
This should really be called is 'TF2 - Dealing with Snipers as Demo man'.
4:15
As someone who does do a fair share of sniping in not just TF2 but in other games as well, I do find the more erratic movement is harder to hit shots, in particular Battlefront 2 and Planetside 2 where every weapon has a projectile speed, since if a Sniper chooses to pick you off in any game, at least me personally I hope that you don't notice me, since the second I get spotted I know landing shots is going to get harder.
Other then that and this goes for any game, just fire in their general area, for instance in TF2 any of Heavy's Miniguns and Pyro's flareguns are great for just keeping a Sniper down, in Battlefront 2 the CR-2 is great for this as well since while this might have some people scratching their heads since the CR-2 is very clearly a short ranged weapon,
it has the fastest rate of fire in the game (and Ionshots don't have a downside on it because of how many shots it puts out but that is beside the point), so it can simply put enough shots down range to force a Sniper to stay in cover.
As for sniping Snipers, put as much cover between you and the other Sniper as you can, force them to come into your sightline.
I like watching these "dealing with" videos because I want to be just a little bit better at and more informed about 1v1 situations with demoman. What's really funny about this video is that my second least played class is demo and my least played is, you guessed it, sniper.
I don’t play demo though, and this video is heavily geared towards demos. I get these can be applied to most classes, but I’d like a more comprehensive video listing tactics for each class.
4:30 avoid jumping around
ok let's jump into tge next point
me: *confused screaming*
The thumbnail is pure definition of art!
When I'm PANicking
Im a Sniper Main and the dance you do can throw new-advanced players off but pros, forget about it.
Im an advanced sniper, and they throw me off sometimes but, the dances i have encountet was more "Look down and spin as a mad man"
Hope this helps on your question
BTW love your vids ;D
*sees anger in the thumbnail*
Halfway decent sniper mains: WHY??
a tip against the huntsman: NEVER be close to him, he will headshot you
One time I was playing scout on Turbine and I ran up to a sniper who was scoped in, and I stood next to him for a couple moments before I shot him, and the knock back from my Force a Nature sent him so far, the fall damage finished him off
I do love tf2 for 7 years but I feel it’s dying for me.. please help me keep my love for it!
first official comment, congrats
Honestly, the one and only tip: try out more dumb strategies with *friends*
Try get into competitive if you havent yet. It made me find love the game for 3+ years.
Get a long break if you dont want it to get stale.
I tool like a 4 month break and the game is so much more enjoyable now
ream I wanna get into competitive, but the queue time is just ridiculous.
On the looking wiggle, it actually does make it harder to hit your head. Not by much, but it helps.
the wiggle thing is true, good snipers usually aim for the head, but that movement makes it har to hit so they will probably just try to bodyshot you.