Great guide man. Super easy to hear the instructions, see the information and generally understand. Really appreciate the quality of information delivery.
Doug, good overview of the Penoff software. Folks need to watch out for some ebay programming cables, my buddy got a miswired one and it blew my BBSHD controller as soon as I plugged it into my bike. Never had any issues with the programming cable I bought from Luna. Nice Stab Garbanzo, I have been jamming on a 2007 Stab Deluxe with a hot-rodded BBSHD from Luna for the past couple of years, also with white wheels. The Stab is definitely a bike that can handle everything the BBSHD can put out, no flexing or wobblies. I was advised to get the 36 tooth Lekkie narrow-wide chainring, and ditching the stamped steel Bafang chainring before I ordered my BBSHD kit. With a 9-speed 11-34 cogset it goes anywhere. Even with 3 big screws mounting the battery rack to the frame (your "riv-nuts" are a great idea), I have been using two nylon & Velcro straps to keep my battery secure, but as you said in your build video, the under-downtube mounting keeps the center of gravity low for stability.
You can't set the current limit higher than the value detected (the one you see on the right). This was done to avoid errors. If you send the controller higher value, it returns an error. That's why I programmed it to limit like that. That my config program by the way. :) I think I should make a newer one that has better compatibility with Win10 and I might try to add functionality for the new mid drives with torque sensor if I figure out how it works.
I think the current consensus is that the "Speed Limit%" is a limit on the BBS motor speed (rpms) rather than the road speed. It affects at what cadence the motor stops providing assistance. The maximum rpm (at the cranks) for a bbshd is 130-150 rpm (depending on voltage). So the Speed Limit% should be set to a level that assures that it doesn't start cutting off or ramping down before you reach your normal or somewhat above normal cadence. These motors like to run at high rpms and putting too much power in at low rpms can cause them to overheat, especially the BBS01 and 02. The HD has much greater heat dissipation ability and is much more "bulletproof" I hear.
Very useful, thanks. I found that I needed to turn the bike battery on to be able to read the flash. In the PDF which was part of the config tool download it says specifically don't have the battery connected when connecting a computer.
Thanks for the video and info. Really helps. I have a BBS02B one of the newer 750W kits. I purchased the program cable from amazon. Getting the USB driver and port on win 10 can be a pain. If you are using this type of setup, just keep searching google for different drivers. I tried 6 different ones and one them worked. But each win 10 is not the same. On my laptop which is 1 month old with win 10 the same driver did not work. So I tried several again and got one that did work. Not sure why but this is my experience. Just keep trying as I did and you will get it. I set my display to 99 MPH and 9 levels of PAS with 9 on my throttle. I have a TREK 2019 Merlin 5 with 29" tires. I am getting over 30 MPH on throttle only and in PAS 9 lowest gear just hitting 38.5 MPH. It seems and feels very fast just nice to know what it could do. I ride most off road in Tucson AZ and ride around 12-15 MPH 20 mile trips everyday.
I'm glad u used a good microphone. So many reviews have horrible sound. Excellent detailed step by step instructions. Thx. Btw. What is benefit of using modified software vs stock bafang config tool?
I recommend these. They are rubber backed and you can really cinch them down cause they don't slip. They are long enough to go completely around the bike frame and the battery. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DNFIPAK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Wow this has opened up a lot of possibilities with the motor I already have. From what I can understand the Bafang BBSO2 1000 watt is the same motor as the 250 watt with different settings? At present I'm bored with 40 km I need to go faster, brakes tyres and suspension all been upgraded to handle road speed. so do I change settings to 9 level pas, and speed to 99km, do I need to change watts? I'm not racing just commuting so throttle on is gradual, does that fiber gear need to be converted to brass or alli.
Thanks for sharing. I'm using 52V battery however the tool says the nominal voltage is 48v (as shown in your video). The highest option in the pulldown for voltage cutoff is 43. Shouldn't it be higher for 52V (maybe ~46 or 48?
yea bro same here, i know it s set to 41 but sometimes mine doesn t want to assist when it reaches 43, it s better to set it to the lowest i can, because in case of emergency i d rather stress the battery a bit more than having to be a kangaroo, and when i see it s close to 41 i can charge it without waiting for it to be killed by the controller.
I have the bafang bbshd and I really like it. Lots of power and of course mid drive so you have the gears. Thanks for the video. I hope you make more. How are liking the bike so far? I'm getting about 1600 watts peak. I bought it set up though I can't take credit for building it.
will setting the speed limit on my display to say for example 99kph, will this make my motor try to push harder and harder until it blows? or will it just go as fast as it comfortably can and stay at consistent top speed? Or should i just keep my speed limit set to a "safe" speed? Really dont want to blow this thing.
Are you aware that there is an app called SPEEED which works with a smart phone-no need for a laptop. However, I have used this twice and twice it resulted in disabling my PAS without knowing why? I would dearly like to know as it involves quite some extra cost to get it functioning again. Right now, I need to reduce the power setting for my PAS 4 and 5 but am afraid to use SPEEED again in case I lose my PAS?
Hi. I've got ax similar set up. Note that I'm getting better, I'm hitting the battery when landing and compressing the shocks over 70 percent or so. Have you the same issue? Have you ever landed and compressed shocks such that it caused the wheel to brake and or hit battery hard enough to cause damage?
Wheel diameter is the rim size? If your tire was 12" thick you would go faster than a 1" thick tire, if both were on the same rim size and both spinning the same rpm. Shouldn't it be the tire outside diameter? Am I wrong?
Great vid. Unfortunately, I hooked on a cable I got off eBay and almost immediately, I smell something burning. Next thing you know, my motor doesn't work. Think my controller is fried ...
If I get a "thump" when initially engaging throttle or PAS would adjusting and slightly lowering the "start current" alleviate that abruptness of initial power delivery and get rid of the initial thumb throttle / pas engagement thump or clank that I experience? I'll have to get a programming cable and give it a try but jsut wondering if you happen to know. Thanks for a great video!
Hey. I hope you see this comment. I have been all over TH-cam trying to find a fix for EXACTLY what you described. I haven't tried lowering LVL-1 of PAS yet. If the motor had soft start/soft engagement where it would take the slack up in the freewheel, chain, etc., before going all out, that would be great. I hate that initial thud that hits like a brick each time motor engages. It makes an awesome mid drive system feel just a little bit like junk.
Hi ,,, So if i put a 52v on my bike i will need to change the cut off voltage or will it be fine at factory settings for 48v so i can use both ? Thanks
I have a Bafang M600 seems the factory has locked out all capability to program it. i want to set the power levels %, power level 1&2 are all but nonexistent then power level 3 and you are off to the races. would appreciate any info you may have on the M600 programing.
i actually broke my c965 by crashing it into the ground. then got the dpc-14 which is the same as the 850c, i wish i got the dpc-14 from the beginning. paid about $100 Canadian on aliexpress
Great video. Any suggestions on how to adjust my bbshd pedal assist so it stops immediately after i stop pedaling? The motor continues to run for 1-2 seconds after I stop and it is becoming dangerous, especially trail riding. Any thoughts on how to fix this? U
I have a BBS02 and the throttle speed is programmed to full speed. Since I live in Europe, I would like the throttle's max speed to 6 km/h, but that option is not available in the display's menu. Can I do that using this software?
Anyone know if this cable will work with the new style connections bafang is using with the metal twist on connections. Mine does not just pull apart as listed.
i check the battery, checked the connectors, and changed the display. Bought this cable to see if its the controller, dont see it read the info in the bottom right. Is this the culprit of my issue?
Late reply. The only solution i found is to update the firmware. Look for bbshd over voltage on endless sphere and follow the tuts. Hope it helps tho you prob solved by now.
You got the low voltage levels completely wrong a 52 volt battery should be 39v. Your BMS will stop your battery from going to low anyway so your value just limits the distance.
14 x 2.8 v is 39.2 volts. Your pack will not last long discharging that low. 3.7 v is recognized as best for long term battery life. Top charge of about 57v and discharge to 51v. Do what you want but if you charge to 4v per cell and discharge to 3.7v per cell you could see many years of battery life. A 52 v battery is 14 cells in series. If you need more range buy a larger ah battery- not discharge it so deeply.
Sorry, but pedal assist mode is supposed to do nothing. At 0 you are simply using the speedometer, 0 mode is for going downhill without using the motor, as this saves battery.
horror780 diy e bikes can be more powerful than prebuilt ones for the same amount of money. I'm my case I peak out at 1500watts. But if you don't have the time or patience, then a prebuilt one is best.
if you don't have the time or patience, then you can delegate building one for someone experienced, maybe your local bike shop - I think ti still can be cheaper, and for sure more powerful :)
I kinda did a compromise between the two options for my first bike. I figured out the specs and frame and all that I wanted for the bike, then had a Chinese factory build the whole bike and ship it to my door. Now I'm building another bike, but making it all myself, very similar to the video above, but with a Banshee Scream frame, BBSHD, shark battery. I have to agree, a prebuilt bike would have been pretty meh value for money, especially for me since I live in EU where most shop bikes are limited to 25kmh/15mph, so basically a running speed...
The pedal power is excessive on 9 and causes crashes. It seriously amplifies any part of a pedal stroke, maybe if your wheel is straight and you are ready for the surge. Lots of people forget and can launch themselves into big trouble with wheel turned or in tricky conditions.
@@copperhead891 I get what you mean. Without torque sensing and also because of lag, setting 9 is not predictable for someone who wants to pedal often. I haven't ridden one but I'd probably pedal with an assist level that made it feel slightly easier than normal but then use throttle for when I want full control or full power.
Great job! - Newbies like myself appreciate the clear and uncomplicated explanation.
Great guide man. Super easy to hear the instructions, see the information and generally understand. Really appreciate the quality of information delivery.
Nice video!! Great narration, concise, easy to follow. Professional quality production. Very helpful. Thanks :)
Doug, good overview of the Penoff software. Folks need to watch out for some ebay programming cables, my buddy got a miswired one and it blew my BBSHD controller as soon as I plugged it into my bike. Never had any issues with the programming cable I bought from Luna. Nice Stab Garbanzo, I have been jamming on a 2007 Stab Deluxe with a hot-rodded BBSHD from Luna for the past couple of years, also with white wheels. The Stab is definitely a bike that can handle everything the BBSHD can put out, no flexing or wobblies. I was advised to get the 36 tooth Lekkie narrow-wide chainring, and ditching the stamped steel Bafang chainring before I ordered my BBSHD kit. With a 9-speed 11-34 cogset it goes anywhere. Even with 3 big screws mounting the battery rack to the frame (your "riv-nuts" are a great idea), I have been using two nylon & Velcro straps to keep my battery secure, but as you said in your build video, the under-downtube mounting keeps the center of gravity low for stability.
The most informative video I've seen, and I've seen a few! Thank you very much.
You can't set the current limit higher than the value detected (the one you see on the right). This was done to avoid errors. If you send the controller higher value, it returns an error. That's why I programmed it to limit like that. That my config program by the way. :) I think I should make a newer one that has better compatibility with Win10 and I might try to add functionality for the new mid drives with torque sensor if I figure out how it works.
You can buy new controller and 72volt battery and push bbshd to about 3-5kw of power peak
Great instructional video Doug! Straight to the point!
I think the current consensus is that the "Speed Limit%" is a limit on the BBS motor speed (rpms) rather than the road speed. It affects at what cadence the motor stops providing assistance. The maximum rpm (at the cranks) for a bbshd is 130-150 rpm (depending on voltage). So the Speed Limit% should be set to a level that assures that it doesn't start cutting off or ramping down before you reach your normal or somewhat above normal cadence. These motors like to run at high rpms and putting too much power in at low rpms can cause them to overheat, especially the BBS01 and 02. The HD has much greater heat dissipation ability and is much more "bulletproof" I hear.
Very useful, thanks. I found that I needed to turn the bike battery on to be able to read the flash. In the PDF which was part of the config tool download it says specifically don't have the battery connected when connecting a computer.
Excellent clear concise video. Thank you.
good job. brief and to the point.
Gonna try for first time. Thanks!
Thanks for the video and info. Really helps. I have a BBS02B one of the newer 750W kits. I purchased the program cable from amazon. Getting the USB driver and port on win 10 can be a pain. If you are using this type of setup, just keep searching google for different drivers. I tried 6 different ones and one them worked. But each win 10 is not the same. On my laptop which is 1 month old with win 10 the same driver did not work. So I tried several again and got one that did work. Not sure why but this is my experience. Just keep trying as I did and you will get it. I set my display to 99 MPH and 9 levels of PAS with 9 on my throttle. I have a TREK 2019 Merlin 5 with 29" tires. I am getting over 30 MPH on throttle only and in PAS 9 lowest gear just hitting 38.5 MPH. It seems and feels very fast just nice to know what it could do. I ride most off road in Tucson AZ and ride around 12-15 MPH 20 mile trips everyday.
I'm glad u used a good microphone. So many reviews have horrible sound.
Excellent detailed step by step instructions. Thx.
Btw. What is benefit of using modified software vs stock bafang config tool?
Luna cycle sells nice long Velcro straps for securing your battery and they look a lot nicer than a metal hose clamp.
Tim Spitz I didn't know, Thanks! I'll look into it
I recommend these. They are rubber backed and you can really cinch them down cause they don't slip. They are long enough to go completely around the bike frame and the battery.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DNFIPAK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Tim Spitz thanks a lot. I was trying to search long straps and couldn't find anything like that. I'm gonna order today.
Doug you have to take off the plastic shipping cover on the display! Very helpful vids man
Wow this has opened up a lot of possibilities with the motor I already have. From what I can understand the Bafang BBSO2 1000 watt is the same motor as the 250 watt with different settings? At present I'm bored with 40 km I need to go faster, brakes tyres and suspension all been upgraded to handle road speed. so do I change settings to 9 level pas, and speed to 99km, do I need to change watts? I'm not racing just commuting so throttle on is gradual, does that fiber gear need to be converted to brass or alli.
Thank you for your time.
Great vid, thanks for covering this!
sweet thanks bro Im getting one next week
Thanks for sharing. I'm using 52V battery however the tool says the nominal voltage is 48v (as shown in your video). The highest option in the pulldown for voltage cutoff is 43. Shouldn't it be higher for 52V (maybe ~46 or 48?
The speeed app for an android phone works great and no dicking around plug and play!
Nice, precise 👌🏻informative!🙌🙌👏👏👍
Great information. I would have the cut out voltage set lower if the battery has bms because under load it drops 2 volts and you kangaroo back home.
yea bro same here, i know it s set to 41 but sometimes mine doesn t want to assist when it reaches 43, it s better to set it to the lowest i can, because in case of emergency i d rather stress the battery a bit more than having to be a kangaroo, and when i see it s close to 41 i can charge it without waiting for it to be killed by the controller.
should the motor be turned on before connecting the usb to the pc?
I have the bafang bbshd and I really like it. Lots of power and of course mid drive so you have the gears. Thanks for the video. I hope you make more. How are liking the bike so far? I'm getting about 1600 watts peak. I bought it set up though I can't take credit for building it.
will setting the speed limit on my display to say for example 99kph, will this make my motor try to push harder and harder until it blows? or will it just go as fast as it comfortably can and stay at consistent top speed? Or should i just keep my speed limit set to a "safe" speed? Really dont want to blow this thing.
Are you aware that there is an app called SPEEED which works with a smart phone-no need for a laptop. However, I have used this twice and twice it resulted in disabling my PAS without knowing why? I would dearly like to know as it involves quite some extra cost to get it functioning again. Right now, I need to reduce the power setting for my PAS 4 and 5 but am afraid to use SPEEED again in case I lose my PAS?
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What kind of bike did you use it on?
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NOT THAT IT MATTERS BUT A RECUMBENT TRIKE@@2NDFLB-CLERK
Can you let me know when the Speeeded version is released?
Hi, did you have to install any driver software for the programming cable? Great video by the way.
Very nice and informative video - thx!!
Doug, thanks for helpful video. What should I do to have the Connect tab active? (Read/Write tabs are not active neither...)Thanks!
Hi. I've got ax similar set up. Note that I'm getting better, I'm hitting the battery when landing and compressing the shocks over 70 percent or so. Have you the same issue? Have you ever landed and compressed shocks such that it caused the wheel to brake and or hit battery hard enough to cause damage?
Wheel diameter is the rim size? If your tire was 12" thick you would go faster than a 1" thick tire, if both were on the same rim size and both spinning the same rpm. Shouldn't it be the tire outside diameter? Am I wrong?
Great vid. Unfortunately, I hooked on a cable I got off eBay and almost immediately, I smell something burning. Next thing you know, my motor doesn't work. Think my controller is fried ...
That's heavy bro...
If I get a "thump" when initially engaging throttle or PAS would adjusting and slightly lowering the "start current" alleviate that abruptness of initial power delivery and get rid of the initial thumb throttle / pas engagement thump or clank that I experience? I'll have to get a programming cable and give it a try but jsut wondering if you happen to know. Thanks for a great video!
Hey. I hope you see this comment. I have been all over TH-cam trying to find a fix for EXACTLY what you described. I haven't tried lowering LVL-1 of PAS yet. If the motor had soft start/soft engagement where it would take the slack up in the freewheel, chain, etc., before going all out, that would be great. I hate that initial thud that hits like a brick each time motor engages. It makes an awesome mid drive system feel just a little bit like junk.
I have display bafang c11 ..... can i use this tool for increase speed limit? Thanks so much
Hi ,,, So if i put a 52v on my bike i will need to change the cut off voltage or will it be fine at factory settings for 48v so i can use both ? Thanks
Did windows find the driver or did you have to go find it? Thx
Is it worth the bother? I like my 500w 36v as it came, 99km/hr and had to change power to 0-9 from display but cadence is fine as is.
Can the programme cable for the BBS02 be used on the BBSHD? Is it the same cable?
Well done :) helped alot, hey does anyone know the max amp the Bafang Ultra g510 can handle.
I have a Bafang M600 seems the factory has locked out all capability to program it. i want to set the power levels %, power level 1&2 are all but nonexistent then power level 3 and you are off to the races. would appreciate any info you may have on the M600 programing.
Thanks for all the videos, I'm building my own, I'm picking the displays. Which one do you recommend I'm between 850c vs 965c
i actually broke my c965 by crashing it into the ground. then got the dpc-14 which is the same as the 850c, i wish i got the dpc-14 from the beginning. paid about $100 Canadian on aliexpress
If you change the controller to a ASI BAC855 sinewave and it become a different animal silent smooth and a performance upgrade ..
Great video. Any suggestions on how to adjust my bbshd pedal assist so it stops immediately after i stop pedaling? The motor continues to run for 1-2 seconds after I stop and it is becoming dangerous, especially trail riding. Any thoughts on how to fix this? U
I have a BBS02 and the throttle speed is programmed to full speed. Since I live in Europe, I would like the throttle's max speed to 6 km/h, but that option is not available in the display's menu. Can I do that using this software?
Hi can use the software with windows 7 or Apple mac
Good Video :) Thanks
Works fine until the com3 bit but wont connect any ideas ??
bro i need help ... i have the same bike i mean it is downhill bike can i put the 1000w motor on it ?!
You can use a USB extension cord.
Anyone know if this cable will work with the new style connections bafang is using with the metal twist on connections. Mine does not just pull apart as listed.
Thank you!
Sick bike
i check the battery, checked the connectors, and changed the display. Bought this cable to see if its the controller, dont see it read the info in the bottom right. Is this the culprit of my issue?
make sure you have the correct comport selected and then click connect
I went to the penoff web page and hit the link for download and my laptop just shows an error page. Is there any alternative source for download?
Top speed ?
Hi are you in Vancouver BC would you be able to help with a bafang bbshd programming?
can i configue on mac?
im not sure, i do not have a mac
nope this is windows only software
Oh no, this connector doesnt pass for mine, mine is like pentagon-figure.
how can I remove high voltage cut off? I have 52v battery that my controller doesn't want to handle and it gives me 0.7h overvolt protection error.
Late reply. The only solution i found is to update the firmware. Look for bbshd over voltage on endless sphere and follow the tuts. Hope it helps tho you prob solved by now.
It was a bit too much info for me.........I just want to take the speed limiter off without blowing anything....
You got the low voltage levels completely wrong a 52 volt battery should be 39v. Your BMS will stop your battery from going to low anyway so your value just limits the distance.
14 x 2.8 v is 39.2 volts. Your pack will not last long discharging that low. 3.7 v is recognized as best for long term battery life. Top charge of about 57v and discharge to 51v. Do what you want but if you charge to 4v per cell and discharge to 3.7v per cell you could see many years of battery life. A 52 v battery is 14 cells in series. If you need more range buy a larger ah battery- not discharge it so deeply.
I use the configuration tool and lost the use of my throttle.
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paint like me
Sorry, but pedal assist mode is supposed to do nothing. At 0 you are simply using the speedometer, 0 mode is for going downhill without using the motor, as this saves battery.
I'll just buy a whole new e bike .
horror780 diy e bikes can be more powerful than prebuilt ones for the same amount of money. I'm my case I peak out at 1500watts. But if you don't have the time or patience, then a prebuilt one is best.
if you don't have the time or patience, then you can delegate building one for someone experienced, maybe your local bike shop - I think ti still can be cheaper, and for sure
more powerful :)
I kinda did a compromise between the two options for my first bike. I figured out the specs and frame and all that I wanted for the bike, then had a Chinese factory build the whole bike and ship it to my door. Now I'm building another bike, but making it all myself, very similar to the video above, but with a Banshee Scream frame, BBSHD, shark battery. I have to agree, a prebuilt bike would have been pretty meh value for money, especially for me since I live in EU where most shop bikes are limited to 25kmh/15mph, so basically a running speed...
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The main thing that kept me from building my own is the paranoia that I will construct it wrong and then it will cause an electric fire..
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Hi don't use pc can use mac
Is this a question? If so I'm pretty sure there is no Mac program available yet.
NEW APP GOOGLE APP- speeed app - NO NEED TO download software computer. buy cable ebay
Why would setting 0 to assist level 9 break stuff? Wouldn't it just be the same as using level 9 with throttle or pedal assist anyway?
The pedal power is excessive on 9 and causes crashes. It seriously amplifies any part of a pedal stroke, maybe if your wheel is straight and you are ready for the surge. Lots of people forget and can launch themselves into big trouble with wheel turned or in tricky conditions.
@@copperhead891 I get what you mean. Without torque sensing and also because of lag, setting 9 is not predictable for someone who wants to pedal often. I haven't ridden one but I'd probably pedal with an assist level that made it feel slightly easier than normal but then use throttle for when I want full control or full power.