Cold Start - White 2-155 Hercules VS White 6125 Cummins
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- I've been wanting to see how well the Hercules in my White 2-155 tractor will cold start since I rebuilt it with the high compression pistons last year. I figured might as well have something for comparison, so I did a cold start with the 6125 with its 5.9L Cummins engine. Will they start? Which one starts better? Watch to find out.
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I'm old and cold starting takes me a while to fire up too. LOL
Some mornings im like a D82U with a temperamental starting engine
Nothing sounds any better than to hear that 155 fire up on a cold morning in my book in one of the best tractors ever built we farmed around 700 acres or more in the 70,s80,s in central michigan when dad bought our 2--105 with a 6bottom plow and a 24field cuiltvator It change our life over nite we had been using a 25year old 930case and we continued to use it but know with two tractors plowing it really helped thanks for the good old memories
Man I like that 155 fwd. Awsome unit
Thanks!
The trade off is a tighter turning radius.
Typically our 505's (White 185 and Case/IH 2188) roll over 3X and are running. Some times it takes a little more. They are the best cold start engines we have. The JD 4230 doesn't like cold. Anything much below 40 you're best plug it in and go do something else for an hour or so. Or you're going to have to give it a snort. I really like the sound of the 2-155. Those military pistons must make a huge difference. (Your best series of vids BTW in MPO) We had two 2-155's (Series I and III) they needed help in the cold. Good old tractors. Thanks Chris great vids!
This 4230 (1973) have been together since 1997. It's been a good old horse. You are correct the '30's were bad cold starters. Now our 4440 is much better.
Enjoyed this video bro. Safe travels up your way
Good comparison. I really enjoy hearing and seeing those big diesels. Keep those videos coming.
I’m surprised the Cummins was struggling. I like the lines of the 6125.
That's how it has always started at those temps. It might have started quicker with some more throttle, but I hate revving a tractor up before the oil has circulated.
Excellent, thanks for sharing!
That's COOL 😎. I was thinking this last week . About a cold start on the 2-155. It's sounds great. Keep warm!!! ☺️
Good job on the Hercules overhaul too! All systems must be go!
Sounds great!
In northern IL, our 1800 was used daily. In the winter my brother would wrap the entire front end in a canvas. The block heater was defective, and wouldn’t turn off when plugged in. Even in the dead of winter, the temp gage showed normal operating temp, before it was started.
Top da gosto de ver os motores entrando em funcionamento
Like #500. Boy the White 2-155 brings back fond home memories. Hope you & the family are well. Thanks for the vid. Take care & stay safe. Cheers from Van Isle
Thanks!
One badass looking tractor.
Thanks!
Excellent video the Hercules diesel started really good. That's a typical for a good startup on a b series Cummins diesel engine I plug them in if I can then they start like summertime
I run 5w40 Kendal in myCummins and it starts real easy in the teens. It really likes it. Give it a go.
Good morning Chris! Nice early video this morning. I think that Hercules started pretty decent. I like that you don’t hammer those things with starting fluid and crank them until the starters are super hot just for the purpose of a cold start lol. Nice to see a guy who cares about his tractors more than he cares about making a cool coldstart video
I keep meaning to ask you, maybe you’ve covered it before but was your dad disappointed when they discontinued the Oliver line and went to just White?
I love the fact he knows what we like.
I remember as a kid asking him why we were getting White tractors and not Olivers, he said something to the effect that it was basically the same thing. I don't think it bothered him much, but I was pretty young at that time.
Here’s an extra comment to make up for whatever negative nancy put a thumbs down on a good video
Thanks!
Nice vida man
That Cummins does like my dad's 95 Powerstroke sometimes when it cold out, even with glow plugs.
Rolls over better than my 03 duramax that's for sure
Thanks
That’s. Hard on all parts! Plugged in mine for a few hours at those temps below 0 3 to 4 hrs!
Love that 2155
This was just the video I needed to wake up. I think I have the Cummins in me this morning lol! I'm up a bit earlier than normal today we have to load our soybeans. Thanks for the video Chris.
I was up because I'm slowly transitioning into an old guy. Lol
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Your only as old as you make yourself out to be lol!
This video is gonna get them Cummins fan boys all bent outta shape. I personally think they both started good, but Hercules was impressive.
I think they're both good engines, but yeah, what you said.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris Needed to have a cold start of the 4-225. Kitty CAT may well have started even quicker.
@@andrew81au you're right! People might run the 3208 down, but they start like no other.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris when my dad was on the county hy dept, they bought a old fleetstar with a 3208 with a allison, that was HIS truck, he loved that 3208, plenty of power, not bad on fuel, amazed how easy it started in the winter, and above all,, no shifting gears
Whoo, the Cummins struggled a bit. The 5.9L in #FrankenTruck seems to almost have a switch where below 30 it needs the grid heater, 31º it's fine. Glad the Herc started right up! That's awesome! I suppose with it starting well, you probably aren't in a hurry to replace the intake heater? Thanks for the video! Stay warm!
Yeah, if it can start that cold unassisted, i don't see the need to find an intake heater. Normally I would plug it in for those temperatures, but it is nice to know that if I need to fire it up in a hurry, it will do it.
I filmed this Tuesday morning, Wednesday we hit 52 with sunshine! The sap is flowing!
The 6125 starts like the allis charmers 7045. Hits but just won’t keep turning. But after you crank it enough the heat carries it on.
One difference is, once the 7045 starts get the hell out of its way because it wants to work. 426 cu in of mean
Another oldie but goodie, both the White video, I always watch them when they come up in my feed. I guess I could go to your homepage and watch some old ones also, but I just don't have the time, or should I say make the time. How does the Hercules compare to the Cummins on fuel usage? Love the looks of both of the old girls. Hope you have a good night!
Or Boys too!
The Cummins is better, but that Hercules has about another 120 cubic inches to feed. The Herc can be on the thirsty side when working hard, but it sure can lug.
I love the 155
I was using it this week and was going to film , got on a roll and forgot to grab the camera. Now I'm kicking myself
Dang Chris, I'm LATE to the party!!!
Not a bad start!! Our 3545 Massey, it actually helps to pump the throttle while cranking..
That Cummins is acting like a 6.5 GM... I don't miss that one!! (6.2 was a much better motor!!)
If we have to start something in the cold, always leave it running at high idle for 20-40 minutes.. much easier on them and charges the batteries back up👍😎
We had a Blazer with a 6.2, Other than fighting glow plugs, it was a good engine, got great mileage.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris had an '82 crew cab k30 service truck with a 6.2.and 3 speed automatic, loved it!! Actually wish I still had it.
Later I had a '94 crew cab k30 dually with the 6.5 and 4 speed automatic
It was a total dog!!
Cummins popped faster, but was harder to keep running. The 2-155 really started nice with the high compression pistons!
The Cummins might have started quicker with a little throttle, it makes a difference on my 2050.
I'm surprised the Cummins started that hard.
Cummins had air in the fuel line, happens when cold causes low pressure in the supply column. Check valves help.
I say the 2-155 starts better still like the older whites
I think the 2-155 started pretty good considering the atmospheric conditions and no preheating or either.
Me too. At 30 degrees F it starts like it had just been running 10 minutes ago.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris. Don’t forget it was early November since her last run.
Can you get a gear reduction starter for the big bad Hercules?
@@dalekrueger1175 I think Maibach's have one for them.
I know it's been a year and a half, but this is the first I've seen this video, 😆 typical Cummins 😆😂🤣
you should use the intake heater on both of them. they will start way better. i have seen the 5.9 cummins start done -40 f that one morning not plugged in in a pickup. i do that all the time with diesel too is not plug it in. that 2-155 came with intake heater too. it helps a lot in the colder mornings.
Thanks! I had no idea!
If I had a choice for blowing snow I think I would have used the old girl with front wheel assist
and some say steel does not get effected by cold air lol that's a surprise the cummins starts harder than the herc .. My 8.3 cummins and even my n14 usually fire off well down to about 5 degrees
I usually use the amount of either my 7.3 with subpar glowplugs and broken block heater to judge how bad the winter is
Did you wake up about 2 weeks ago and say, "This is going to take the WHOLE can!"
@@ThatOliverGuyChris yes the one Sunday it was -19 had to get to church should have just punched a hole in the side of the can threw it under the hood and start cranking
16°F block only had to crank and start once thats good didn't even have battery disconnect
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Hercules!
I can’t understand why there is a thumbs down already. Crazy
That means I'm getting exposure if I'm getting a hater this quick!
@@ThatOliverGuyChris there’s always haters, I guess folks are just jealous of that sweet old iron! Keep up the great work and thanks for what you do!
Possible someone's inadvertently hit that if on their phone.
@@AmosMosesJr it's possible, I've done it. But show me a video with 100% thums up and I'll show you a video without many views.
Correct my understanding on the White numbering system, isn't the 2-155 supposed to stand for 2wd 155hp? If this is correct, isn't the numbering wrong?
At least it started, my old JD3010 would've taken the battery charger, block heater plugged in over night, about 20mins of cranking with several shots of starting fluid.
Yea, we learned when we started our older tractors, we let them run, they'd recharge their batteries better having to use the battery charger to do it. Great cold starts, cheers :)
The 2 is a row crop or fixed frame tractor. If it has a 4 it's articulated, steers by pivoting in the middle, and can only be 4 wheel drive. Most of the tractors that started with a 2 had power front axle as an option, but it could be turned off, mainly for road speeds.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris gotcha, thank you. Cheers :)
Impressive, how many hours are on the 6125?
A little over 3700 hours
The good Old Hercules!! All those Cummins boys wont like that video!! Lol. Thanks for a cool tractor video this morning. Hey Chris what was the red assembly lube you were using when you rebuilt the engine in the 2-155? I have to get some to put my perkins together.
It was Permatex assembly lube. I see I already have a thumbs down, maybe I rocked the boat too hard! Lol
@@ThatOliverGuyChris You should have included the 1955 also that would have really shook them up!! Thanks Chris have a good day.
We don’t talk about this one!!
@@aaronkaraszewski2749 did you see the cold start video of the 1955 on Facebook? Wih no faster than that one cranks I'm sure I would have needed the preheayer toget it started at 17 degrees.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris yes I did see that. I thought it started pretty good!
What might be coming of the machine you tugged in last season ? Identical to the 2 155 I think it was
The 1855? It's waiting for the purple 1850 to get out of the way, then it goes in the shop.
Hercules took a bit longer than I thought it would take. Crank speed was down a little. Now is that the result of the compression, or the batteries? Hard to say, but I think it is perfectly acceptable. Cummins likes a bit of throttle after they fire. Depending on the injection pump some like to be cracked open a little before cranking. Both sounded good to me.
They both started well under less than ideal conditions, so I'm happy with both of them.
My series 3 2-135 starts well down to near zero, but is very sensitive to fuel gelling. It seems more sensitive than other diesels I have had, even though it uses JD fuel filter.
@@999pr1 Chris can probably speak towards that better than I. If your other diesel equipment is not having the same issues and the filter is not packed with crud already. I'd be curious if there is any sort of lift pump in line before the injection pump. If there is a person could measure its pressure. Low pressure when dead heading could indicate the pump is problematic.
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Wonder how good the Hercules would start with a modern inline injection pump. Seems like the old rotary injection pumps were not the best cold starters no matter the brand.
It might make it better. The same basic engine with the old bosch pumps in the Oliver 2050 and 2150 don't start as well.
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Well, they both started faster than 30 series Deere, you have to crank them for hours.
So we have a cummins and need to fix the ac i need a little help lol
Which motor do you prefer the hercules or the cummins?
The 478 Hercules is a lugging engine, but an additional 119 cubic inches can help with that. The Cummins is a great engine too, but if I have to choose I'd lean towards the Herc just for that sound and torque.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris awesome TYVM
Same engine as in the deuce and a half?
Yep, just a few minor differences.
How could you doubt a Hercules that you rebuilt.
Your right we were there every step of the build.
I can always review the video to see if I left any parts out.
Is it a proper rebuild if you don't have spare parts.🤣
@@eb17816 lol
Typical Cummins cold start with no grid heater
Why not plug it in?????
Because I wanted to compare. Normally I plug them in, but it's nice to know they will start if need be.
Ou est le filtre a fuel dans le réservoir
There is no filter in the tank, just the fuel filters mounted on the side of the engine.
You DOUBTED they would start? Shame, shame, shame....
I knew they would start, but how quick was the challenge.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris That was one of our sales pitches we used. Go up to the other green or the red tractors in the winter and you will find multiple ether cans in the toolboxes. If you had to use ether on an Oliver, or a white, it was extremely cold. I do not remember any our the catalogs showing an injector that used a can you left hooked to it. Fun if one had a cab.
Typical cold inline pump Cummins. You think they’re running and they shut off again
This one has the rotary pump.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris interesting. I honestly thought it was to do with the inline pumps timing capabilities, I’ve worked on a lot of those old beasts and they all do that to an extent. The more the timing is bumped, the worse it gets