Germany really hated id didn't they? Wolf 3D banned because of Nazis being in the game. Almost all of the DOOM games banned because of too much violence and possibly... uhh... that other game id made after DOOM,I forgot it's name.
that's because Germany has made any form of Nazism illegal, unless it is for historical purposes.. because they really don't want to risk anyone getting the idea that Nazism may be "cool" (despite the fact very few even liked Nazism when it was at its peak)
Funny fact. The story begins with commander keen. Commander Keen was id Software's first big hit in the early '90s, and it stars an 8-year-old boy called Billy Blazkowicz who fights cartoony aliens and vegetable people with his pogo stick. It's a pretty Nintendo-esque game, which is explained by the fact that it started as a project to bring Super Mario games to PC. A couple of years later, the same company released Wolfenstein 3D, a violent first-person shooter about an Allied soldier shooting his way through a castle full of Nazi atrocities. The name of the protagonist? William Blazkowicz, Billy's grandfather. There's more: id Software's next hit was Doom, an even more violent shooter about a futuristic soldier fighting space demons (or something magic: nobody's quite sure). The identity of Doom's protagonist has never been officially revealed by id Software, but it's been hinted that he's a member of the Blazkowicz family, too: In Wolfenstein RPG, the Nazis summon a demon called the "Harbinger of Doom." William Blazkowicz defeats the demon by cutting off an arm and a leg, and as he's banished back into hell, the demon swears to return one day and haunt William's descendants. If you've played the original Doom games, you might remember the exact same demon from the game with an cyborg leg and a arm rocket launcher.
+Derek Furst You can play game without a story, just like you can watch porn without dialogues. You consume it and forget about it, until you need it again. But in the end it will be "only" a consumable, to be eaten and forgotten about.
JONTRON! Hi :3 *whispers*((you should look up this game called Ristar for the Sega Genisis and you should play that game and maybe do a video on it because your awesome and I wanna meet you one day :3))
Too bad that Doom '95 was considered inferior to the original. And Gabe Newell never help make the original port because it was released before Newell started his computing career.
+order661000 Technically he worked on a source port that would eventually become Doom95, but not Doom95 itself. (the Doom95 source port isn't very good, no mouse support or demo playback)
+Homestar20845 Doom95 does have both those things, but as Windows progresses, compatibility issues rise. Mouse control was lost in Windows 2000, and demo playback was lost in Windows XP.
Internet Anarchist™ I find 90s shooters like Doom and Doom II to be a hundred times more entertaining than this trash that gets released every year; Hell, Doom and Doom II are my favorite games.
1:27 "however this plan was abandoned to allow the developers more creative freedom" I had to listen to this twice to remember that it actually used to happen
The thing with the title being named after a line in the color of money gave me an idea: I want somebody to make a fake commercial for DooM, and re-enact the scene but at the end "Tom Cruise" pulls a copy of DooM out of the case.
2:47 *_Meanwhile, at 2003..._* " _Story in a game is like story in a porn movie... It's expected to be there but it's not that import_ ~~" *_Blue lights and teleportation noises_* "Hey, my name is _Ridley_, and I came from the future to tell you why that's bullshit."
Back in the day, I would label porn disks as "Doom 2" so that way I figured parents wouldn't look. Me and friends would refer to porn as "Doom 2" as well
I wonder if the new DOOM will have similar maps but with the real music. Can you imagine a large scale map of exploding barrels and spiderdemons while listening to Them Bones?
ims0deranged i dont think it would be similar at all.. alot of the day1 id software developers left the company.. and the rest of the company are new people from bethesda so it would never be the same DOOM as it used to be
2:50 I completely disagree with his statement, especially if the game is a singleplayer experience. The story makes everything you go through more interesting, if it's well written.
Very much agreed, but this was a time where games were revolutionary for what they were: interactive digital media. There were already major means of storytelling media. (Although, funny enough, this was also the peak of the Point and Click Adventure genre, which was heavily focused on storytelling). But as we've seen many times, games are a great means of interactive storytelling, even when coinciding intense gameplay. Many indy developers realize this, and exploit it to great effect. Unfortunately, many Triple-A developers in today's market seem to agree with Carmack, clearly thinking that style over substance is what will make them the most money (which, also unfortunately, it probably will).
You know, as a follow-up to my previous comment, I honestly think Doom ended up better for the lack of story involved in it. The few quips of text we get add a great amount of atmosphere, and the addition of heavy amounts of cinematic, dialog, and (especially) additional characters would have really bogged the intense feel and gameplay of the game. Not to mention, the graphics and technology simply weren't good enough to give proper and truly engaging interactive storytelling back then, like we have now. Wrapping up, I think Doom came out about as perfectly as it could for its time.
2:48 Man. I disagree with John Carmack. Story is some game genres like RPGS or even stealth games (Metal Gear Solid) help make the game feel more like a movie. Hence the need for a story line in a video game.
I'd say it depends on the game. You're totally right about RPGs though, a lot of the fun revolves on the story and the universe it's depicted in. But we can't deny games like Minecraft, which have zero story and are still extremely immersive! But yeah, good stories have the tendency to stay longer in mind. I remember a lot more of GTA San Andreas' story than GTAV's story, which makes me want to play SA a lot more than V, even today!
William H. Buttlicker For some genres, it works better with others then say... I don't know, arcade games. Where story doesn't matter. First person shooters? I understood his point there. The story doesn't need to be in the game. Though the point still remains that story is vital for some games like Final Fantasy or even Resident Evil.
Nick's Game Reviews You're definitely right! In fact, it's the exact reason why I don't play the latest FF or RE games; the last one's stories didn't do it for me at all and it makes me not want to continue the series. So yeah, story can be important. But I was making the Minecraft point because I still play it after 3 years and still enjoy, with 0 story to back it! :D
the iPhone/iTouch version of doom uses an absolutely brilliant control scheme featuring a rotating wheel to turn and touchscreen integration to interact with all the things.. It feels really smooth and really comfortable so if anyone wants doom on the go that is a great place to look.
Ryan Detwiler I got so annoyed with those kind of people, that I was relieved when UI found a LP'er named HarshlyCritical, who was a breath of fresh air.
Yeah he's a cool dude...when he's not screaming like a fucking child.....just like every other fucking youtube scumbag. Hence my point; it's nice not hearing him scream for once. Does that clear it up for all of you?
0:32 "... prompted Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates to consider buying idsoftware but instead Microsoft opted to develop a Windows 95 port of Doom..." THANK.GOD.
Since a lot of people are arguing about the topic of plots in video games, I'll just say this: The importance of plot in a video game highly relies on what _type_ of game you're going for; The classic Doom games benefited from a lack of plot, as it was meant to be more of a fast-paced action game. RPGs and adventure games are more story driven because gameplay itself is slower and more deliberate; the players _expect_ fine details as a result. A plot-heavy action game can feel awkward. (See: Super Paper Mario) A story-only game has the potential to be even worse. (See: David Cage's drivel) A lot of great games are known for finding a good medium; The Dark Souls games, for example, have an ignorable plot, but it's rich and detailed for the players who care. Other games like Shovel Knight and Skullgirls only have small snippets of plot, but great care was put into those moments. In conclusion, Libya is a country of contrast.
Except you openly mention Dark Soul's way of telling narrative, which would have enhanced Doom if it was chosen. It would have provided a richer experience for those who like narratives, and it wouldn't have slowed down the game if the player wasn't interested. Plain and simple, a stronger narrative provided in the same way as Dark Souls would have made the game better, and because of the director's ignorance, we as consumers were left with an inferior product. That shouldn't be defended.
Green Sanic Except that's not what I was saying at all. The lore in Dark Souls is 100% ignorable to those who aren't interested, because it's told through level design and scenery. The entire point I was making was that it being there for the players who do care would make it a superior game. Shit, do you even no how to fucking read?
Jacob Serna well its actually the riff you hear in the background during the chorus of No Remorse. I didnt understand why people thought the E1M1 music was from No Remorse either until I listened to the song very closely during the chorus
People be like "story isn't needed in games, it should go away" Me: *cough cough* Bioshock Infinite *cough cough* The Last of Us *cough cough* Pokemon *cough cough* Gta series *cough cough* Mario (made saving the princess cliche) *cough cough* I need to get that cough checked out
John Carmack has it right. It's the gameplay that drives games further from being a different medium than movies and books, not the story of each and every one.
Even then the storyline must be compelling. Good gameplay will only get you so far if you got a sloppy storyline. Take Lightning Returns for example, great gameplay. However has a sub-par storyline.
Cascade Hellsing Like Xenoblade Chronicles did. eg. in the story of Xenoblade Chronicles the main character gains the power to look afew minutes into the future, they implement this through a timer showing when a creature or a boss would use a lethal attack on a character you would have 8 seconds to either protect the character or topple the creature/boss, Xenoblade Chronicles is a great example of what you said so if you can get a hold of the game I'd highly recommend it.
One wonders why games like "the last of us" sell so well. Neither does this game have good gameplay nor has it a great story (it's pretty predictable and rehashed stuff, just more mushrooms).
0:48 bill dresser in that black trench coat with the shotgun. Ready to meet up with dylan and eric. He was late so he just didn't show up. He was too busy promoting DOOM
+heresjonny666 "At Doom's Gate" (E1M1) is an amalgam of Metallica's "No Remorse" and "Master of Puppets", and Slayer's "Behind the Crooked Cross". I figured that would have been mentioned in the bit about musical references as well.
Crunkman2k Late by 3 years, but you’re right about the No Remorse one, and wrong about Behind the Crooked Cross. The one that sounds like Behind the Crooked Cross is E3M1.
I kinda feel neutral toward his quote about stories in games. While I do like a nice story in games(especially if it's well written and have likable characters) a game doesn't need a story to be good, but a game with a story needs to be good, otherwise no matter how great the story is, not a lot of people will sit through a shitty game to know what's gonna happen next, and not a lot of people will want to revisit a game with okay, but not fun, gameplay, the only reason I'd see someone do that is for achievements. Doom for an example, is just pure, unadulterated fun, while it does have a story, the game and gameplay aren't centered around it, and it's there just as a brief concept to explain what the shit is happening and why the fuck you have to shoot demons in the face, you play Doom for it's gameplay, and the lack of proper story didn't stop it from being a massive hit as well as a great and fun game to play, even generations after its release. Then we have games like Spec Ops: The Line, great and very well written and executed story, but the gameplay is just eh, the game isn't fun to play and doesn't encourage you to replay it multiple times either, which(in my opinion) makes it feel like wasted money, because you already feel satisfied playing through it once, while Doom, you always have that itch to go back and play it again, and it will be a blast to plow through the game just like always. I don't know if that's what Carmack wanted to express, and ended up sounding like a jerk, but I know that what I said is my opinion, and what I believe. Which is rather hypocritical of me because I fucking love Metal Gear.
Fire Emblem don't have shitty gameplay, it's just a turn based SRPG series, a really good one at that. You may find the gameplay boring from time to time, to which I agree, but shitty it ain't. And Heavy Rain is an odd one, the main factor that makes it great is not just the Story, but it's replayability. Heavy Rain have a bunch of branching paths that leads to different kinds of situations and endings, encouraging the player to visit it more than once, that's the true greatness of the game. Now take Beyond: Two Souls for example, it's the same thing, shit gameplay and great story, but it's an okay game at best, and why is that? Because the game don't have what made its predecessor so good, the branching situations, Beyond is a stupidly linear QTE fest that can be ended in about thee hours and you're done, there's nothing else to the game unlike Heavy Rain.
Gouanaco Playing Doom for the story is like watching a music video for solely the video. Doom has barely any story, people only play it for the level design and blowing the fuck out of demons.
Hearing Markiplier mention Slayer was like mind blowing, favorite gaming youtuber and one of my favorite bands of all time. Never thought I see this combination.
South of Heaven is cool and all but I like to give some love to a lot of the underrated songs in the Show No Mercy and Hell Awaits albums and any other song in Reign In Blood that DOESN'T have the titles "Raining Blood" and "Angel of Death"
Well sloping floors are possible in doom now due to source ports. "Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important." hahaha brilliant
But to be exact, sourceports are - as the name implies - ports, and not the original Game Engine. So it's still not possible in the original "id Tech 1" Doom Engine
Theo Truter You lowly peasant. Don't you know we care not for graphical fidelity? The PC master races goal is to rid the world of 30 FPS forever! *Evil laughter*
Half-Life Metro Portal Bioshock Deus Ex Just some of the most critically acclaimed FPS with great stories. Even Far Cry 3 and Borderlands 2 had interesting stories.
What a coincidence. one of the shooters of the school shooting played doom to releive stress. he even made custom maps for the game as a simulation for the actual shooting. He even went as far as saying "Its going to be like Doom!"
A few mistakes: 1. Spear of Destiny is a PREQUEL not a SEQUEL. 2. The games *do not* take place on "alien planets". They take place on the two natural satellites of Mars: Phobos, and Deimos.
This ep is about little known or not at all known things about the franchise, while as awesome as these thing you have presented are, they are really well known
"Story in videogames is not that important" Yeah, in the old days, for make a good video game you just need a badass character, a shotgun, and a sh*tload of monsters. Hotline Miami is a modern expample. I know there s a history, but its kinda hidden, so it s an example after all.
Marlon Lopez Troya In the old days it was just about playing for the fun of defeating bosses and enemies while traversing the environment. I'm sad new games feel like they need to hammer story into every fucking crevice of itself to seem good, then people look at it as art. What happened to video games?
BlueSparks Some Videogames can be considered as art. Look at Half Life, it was fun and it has an interesting storyline. also MGS, And a lot of modern games. now is considered as the best game of the video game generation. But i dont think games like Doom, Duke Nukem and very, very old one games deserve a story line, hope this will happen with the new DooM. We don t wanna see any fucking shit of DoomGuy talking about how war changued or that he s tired of killing demons, we wanna see BLOOD.
Marlon Lopez Troya Yeah but gameplay should be the main focus with story along it like Half-Life, fuck games that are story and story only. Why would anybody want to play a shitty game, even if the story is good?
BlueSparks Yeah, i think it s just like movies, they have to have an interesting story and being fun. Some games follow the concept you are talking and end up being boring or just being considered as "if games and movies had a baby" Like MGS I dont like much of them, i ve just played the first one and MGS 2. MGS4 Has LONG cutscenes.. I m going back to HL, that game dont need cutscenes t being a fun and interesting game, but no, the rest of AAA Companies still using cutscenes as "to maek d gaem moar intrsting and culturic". I m agree with your concept, the gameplay should be focus in story and at the same time make the player something important on it.
+Marlon Lopez Troya You have to wonder what John Carmack would think of games like the Metal Gear Solid series in regards to how he feels that "Story in videogames is not that important"?
The Nightingale LOL OH MY GOD ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID XD?!?!?!?! Doom took inspiration FROM Master of Puppets! Holy fucking shit get your dumb ass off the band wagon of ignorance! The makers of Doom even SAID that they took inspiration from MoP! What the fuck are you smoking XD?!
Sorry my mistake XD fact is that the song you mean is the opening theme of doom is mop. But the most recognized one has to be slayers "shawns got the shotgun" south of heaven inspiration.
Who's Hideo Kojami? Also in a game like Metal Gear, a plot is important. However, Doom is just a hard core action game. Contra had jack shit when it came to plot, and that was an action game and everyone praised the hell out of it. Same goes for Doom.
Beyond Big Boss For me it's all about my mood, sometimes I want a really good story and sometimes I just want really good game mechanics. I'm personally not a person who favors one over the other. It also depends on the game too, sometimes games really need a story to fill in context and sometimes the story gets in the way of the action.
I completely agree with John Carmack's statement on game story. Take games like Last of Us, it's "A not-so-special survival action + a story a TV show could have done better". There is no point, games are about gameplay, and 'dat story and voice acting doesn't really help boring or generic gameplay.
***** No, it does not make up for bad gameplay, if anything, it tries to make you slog through shit to get to the next story event, which you don't have to do with a tory or movie.
I can see where you're coming from but I think narrative can help when it is integrated into the world and gameplay like in Bethesda's games or how I've heard Dark Souls 2 is (I haven't played it yet.) Just please don't give up on narrative yet, I know they suck most of the time but I'm sure we'll get some better narrative in games eventually.
At 4:11 it says the maps are based on floors from Escape from Castle Wolfenstein. Surely he means Wolfenstein 3D. Not the same game... not even the same developer.
With certain kinds of genres/games I will expect a good story. However in other genres/games i just want to crush everything that dares stand in my way, Doom is one of those.
After a good 20 minutes of searching and listening, I can now happily confirm that the music that plays at beginning is E2M1 (I Sawed The Demons),Specifically the SC55 version.
Cyberlord Yes, COD uses a modified IDtech3 engine & still use it today. (lazy asses) No, Duke Nukem 3D Engine is pretty much it's own engine. I think John Carmack have said that they use a completely different engine even though it looks similar. The DN3D engine "Build Engine" is actually much more advanced than the IDtech1 engine (DOOM engine)
Genesis Does What Nintendoes!!! Yeah, I thought Duke Nukem took Doom's engine and enhanced it so that you could look up and down and go underwater and stuff.
Cyberlord Duke3d's engine is called the Build Engine. It was created entirely by Ken Silverman (another Carmack-level programmer) and licensed to 3dRealms.
Andrew Douglass I can think of loads of people without fullfilling Godwin's law. How about Stalin or Mussolini? Khadaffi was pretty bad, not to mention Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. Kim Il Sung was a bad guy, and so was Mao. And then there was Nero, Attila, Ghengis Khan and Vlad the impaler. Also, Kony 2012. PewDiePie isn't _that_ bad.
I think story in video games is like story in early action movies. It's there and sometimes good, but you there to see stuff explode and people fighting.
Rise of the Triad! First shooter I remember that let you doublefist pistols. Played Terminal Velocity, too, though on one of those discs with just demo/shareware versions of games. Nostalgia, man. Nostalgia.
I helped runl DWANGO in Houston Texas in 93-94 as First Moderator and got to play all these titles before released! Love Romero DwangoBob Kee Kim tell and other Dwanbomians? Flower and Daisy!
Just why wasn't the facts that doom is still actively played after 20 years in multiplayer on a daily basis mentioned? What about having the most flexible modding you can find without being an actual development engine? Source ports have kept Doom alive in a grand fashion, and it puzzles me that those things aren't mentioned when there is a link to a let's play of brutal doom.
I'll have to disagree on Carmack's views on game stories, if video gaming is to be accepted as a form of media alongside TV, Movies and Books, it has to have a strong and immersive narrative other wise gaming is seen as more of a hobby than a media format. It's reasoning like that statement that makes those unfamiliar with gaming panic about gratuitous violence in video games. They see it as just a hobby akin to sports or drawing rather than a form of entertainment.
Minecraft does not have a story. It worked. Games can work without a story. Sure, it makes them better or adds depth and *is expected*, but it is not necessary. He didn't say "Story makes a game worse" or "Story has no influence". He said summed up "Story can help,but can be exchanged with good gameplay as well."
looplolpop Minecraft has a story. The story you create for yourself. Walk up to any Minecraft player, young or less young, and they'll have at least one tale of exploration, construction, devastation, or multiplayer heroism.
Now i'm someone who prefers plot driven games but still, the idea that games have to have narratives to be taken seriously. Fuck that. Why do we even care about being taken seriously that much? Stop chasing acceptance and let the acceptance come to us, it's happening right now.
Missing "Did You Know?": Did you know, Doom 3 isn't the 3rd Doom game in the series. That honor goes to the lesser known Nintendo 64 exclusive 'Doom 64'. It was intended as the sequel to Doom 2. As stated in the back story: "...The classified archives are opened. The military episodes code named "DOOM" were not actually completed. A single entity with vast rejuvenation powers, masked by the extreme radiation levels, escaped detection. In its crippled state, it systematically altered decaying dead carnage back into corrupted living tissue. The mutations are devastating. The Demons have returned even stronger and more vicious than before. As the only experienced survivor of the DOOM episode, your commission is re-activated. Your assignment is clear: MERCILESS EXTERMINATION...."
Well then, I suppose we'll all be seeing in-depth storylines in our porn from now on, Mr. Carmack. Story is an element of a game like the Music, the Gameplay, The Visuals... But, I suppose if you can't do it right, it's best if you stick to the aspects you know how to do well.
***** Story IS important in a game, that guy is a dumb idiot who got lucky in a game. He created a slaughter game, but he didn't create a masterpiece, which has to contain an excellent story. My two favorite games of all time, Shadow of the Colossus and The Last of Us (which are the favorites of many gamers out ther as well, much more than Doom will ever be) are story driven games that pass the experience the developers wanted. I could tell you modern examples, but to say that a game shouldn't have a good story is to support an ignorant gaming industry that is nothing more than what the journals describe.
***** You gotta be the most ignorant "gamer" (if you consider yourself so) that has EVER existed, or at least that I have seen. I bet you're one of those Call of Duty/Battlefield hardcore fans. By saying that gameplay is the core of a game is to be, as I said, as ignorant as journalists who WRITES about games. I'm not talking about reviewers, I'm talking about those ignorant pricks who call themselves psychologists and promote games as being nothing more than just nonsense killing and incentivations of bad behavior. My point is proven futhermore when you say that The Last of Us is "a shitty slideshow". Did you even PLAY the game? Do you even know how it works? Just look around you, look at gamers everywhere, it's one of the best games ever made, and EVERYBODY agrees with that! I know there are haters everywhere, and you have the right to not like the game, but saying that the game is a "shitty slideshow" is idiotic at best. I'm a console and a PC gamer, I've played through at least 4 generations of games, so get your fucking facts straight before typing such crap. Doom was a genre defining game, and it sure was revolutionary for its time, but you can't compare it to REAL games, the ones that can actually be called game, the ones that are excellent in not only gameplay, but story-telling as well (graphics are there, but they're not the main attraction). Video Games have evolved from your shitty perspective a long time ago, it's sad that gamers like you are out there nowadays.
***** I know, right? It's like how people go on and on about junk like "The Last of Us" or "Bioshock Infinite", which indeed have a great story, but is just unbearable to freaking play. If they truly have such high ambitions, but can't at the very least make it playable, why not just make it a CGI episodic series instead?
Of most games? Platformers, racing, fighting, hack and slash, beat em-ups, RTS, MOBAs, freeroam and FPS are all genres of some sort that pay little attention to story yet can maintain as great pieces of this medium.
I wonder why they included that Carmack quote about stories not mattering in games? He said that like 12 years ago, I'm sure his opinion has changed (ever heard of RAGE???) Even so, Doom does good with it's minimalist story... But it isn't *no* story, there's pages of text every 10 or so levels that explains what's going on and why you're doing what you're doing in both Doom 1 and Doom 2. I love DYKG but I hate when they misrepresent information, which happens *a lot* more than you might think... If you fancy yourself a bit of a "video game historian" I really reccommend fact checking before talking about DYKG stuff with your gaming buds. Just my 2 cents!
If you're remotely interested in a series, Did You Know Gaming is a good starting point to discover new facts. But I don't think anyone would recommend using it as a source if you're actually serious about learning the the entire history of a franchise. Just because of the short length and rapid-fire structure of the writing, the more cursory details are glossed over. That's not a bad thing in-and-of itself, but it can possibly lead to some confused or perhaps unintended perceptions. Remember that these videos are put out weekly, and they are made by humans who are imperfect. There will always be some things that slip through the cracks. Or some things that just do not occur to the folks behind the scenes. It's currently not possible to fix hard audio or video after the video has been uploaded, unlike an article or wiki page. Your criticism is certainly valid. But you should be aware that the folks at Did You Know Gaming have an interest in being as accurate and fair as possible.
DoomKid well... Rage story is not realy important in the game. I love Rage, I think it's overlook on many levels. But you don't play Rage for the story like you would for Planescape Torment. Yes, for Carmack the story was never important and I would also say that the only thing that realy matters to him was the engine. The story, the gameplay, that was always for his co-workers. Carmack is a genius, he is an engineer but he is not a story teller. That is not to say that Doom "story" is not important. Then again I wouldn't qualify it as a real story but rather as a background, an ambience.
I love how people just gotta hate. Markiplier does a great job. PDP does a good job for his fanbase. They however do not have the same commentary style. Mark is just a natural spaz and goof. Always has been. That "change" people see is due more to themselves trying to compare him to someone else. When you actually watch the two commentators side by side, they are worlds apart. People don't like that Markiplier has become less kid friendly, and yet compare him and call him a copycat of ome of the most kid friendly tubers. Honestly go back and watch marks older videos. He is holding back, its easy to tell.
he's becoming more comfortable with the scene so becoming more himself, and bob and wade have said before that in actuality (off-camera) stuff he says is more 18+. I don't think his commentary is so bad, I still get a good laugh out of it. he's still the same good-hearted person we know and love
This turned out great! Thanks for having me and thanks for posting it on my birthday! :D
I love you Mark
Narrate my life pls
HUUGG!!!!
Markiplier Did you ever play Doom 3 on your channel?
POOF!
Markiplier wow that almost didn't sound like you at all.
Dude has to be the calmest I have ever heard markiplier
Really tho
Thats so true omg
How bout SUPER TURBO TURKEY PUNCHER 3!
And his creepy pasta readings + serious vlogs lol
I didn't even know it was him lol
Fun Fact: Bobby Prince (Doom Composer) was a lawyer, so he knew exactly how much copying he could get away with without infringing on copyright.
+Sursion7 Thank god lol, the Doom music is amazing lol
+Sursion7 It's fantastic. You listen to "Rise" by Pantera and you wonder how he got away with it, but he obviously knew what he could do. :P
+Sursion7 Well, technically he didn't know. There are no strict rules when it comes to musical copyright.
+Sursion7 Incomplete riffs aren't the issue, it comes down to the lyrics which are copyrighted in a stringent way.
+Sursion7 nice!
Markiplier was speaking so softly, I couldn't even tell that it was him.
You didnt know it was him, because hes actually acting like an adult and not a 5 yo child
XD
Someone has some bottled up resentment for people that actually have succeeded in life and are doing well for themselves and 20,000,000 other people.
@@SearAbyss Welcome to the future, where his problems are more serious and can no longer scream like a child
I didn’t realize until after the video
A swastika was removed, form DOOM, because of controversy.
Makes perfect sense.
Germany really hated id didn't they? Wolf 3D banned because of Nazis being in the game. Almost all of the DOOM games banned because of too much violence and possibly... uhh... that other game id made after DOOM,I forgot it's name.
+LBPPlayer7 Quake, maybe?
that's because Germany has made any form of Nazism illegal, unless it is for historical purposes.. because they really don't want to risk anyone getting the idea that Nazism may be "cool" (despite the fact very few even liked Nazism when it was at its peak)
***** Yes, Quake.
I don't know why letting Demons alive is controverse.
OH AND I LOVE MARKIPLIER TOO.
LOL
Do you love me though
Markiplier loves you too Jon
No you eat puppies
My two favorite youtubers
Funny fact. The story begins with commander keen. Commander Keen was id Software's first big hit in the early '90s, and it stars an 8-year-old boy called Billy Blazkowicz who fights cartoony aliens and vegetable people with his pogo stick. It's a pretty Nintendo-esque game, which is explained by the fact that it started as a project to bring Super Mario games to PC. A couple of years later, the same company released Wolfenstein 3D, a violent first-person shooter about an Allied soldier shooting his way through a castle full of Nazi atrocities. The name of the protagonist? William Blazkowicz, Billy's grandfather. There's more: id Software's next hit was Doom, an even more violent shooter about a futuristic soldier fighting space demons (or something magic: nobody's quite sure). The identity of Doom's protagonist has never been officially revealed by id Software, but it's been hinted that he's a member of the Blazkowicz family, too: In Wolfenstein RPG, the Nazis summon a demon called the "Harbinger of Doom." William Blazkowicz defeats the demon by cutting off an arm and a leg, and as he's banished back into hell, the demon swears to return one day and haunt William's descendants. If you've played the original Doom games, you might remember the exact same demon from the game with an cyborg leg and a arm rocket launcher.
in other words, wolfenstein, commander keen, and doom takes place in the same universe, with all of its protagonists being related to each other
Yhea. That's the short version. ^^ Gives also some story element to all the easter eggs.
***** If you want more fun stuff for Doom, I suggest the doom bible. Just search for it on google. It shows the original ideas for the game.
***** No problem. ^^
Man, the Blazkowicz family must have some really good genes to be able to take so many bullets.
"story isn't needed in games". then a few years later half life came out
***** the delivery is. The story TELLING. The "it's as deep as you want" sort of story telling
+Derek Furst You can play game without a story, just like you can watch porn without dialogues. You consume it and forget about it, until you need it again. But in the end it will be "only" a consumable, to be eaten and forgotten about.
kireta21 the same could be said about gameplay or any other gaming parameter
You can play game without a gameplay?
kireta21 did I say that? Your abstract ramblings on it being something consumed can be applied to everything including game play
I LOVE DOOM BUT NOT SHANE
You're the fuckin greatest internet celebrity of them all, ya got that ya fuckin god!? Love it!
why are there such few replies? IT'S JONTRON PEOPLE!
JONTRON! Hi :3
*whispers*((you should look up this game called Ristar for the Sega Genisis and you should play that game and maybe do a video on it because your awesome and I wanna meet you one day :3))
JonTronShow I love you even more now Jon.
Plz upload
Nearly 6 years later and Mark is the front running TH-camr for DOOM Eternal.
J4CK TUR80T The developers even made a easter egg based on his dad
@@JojokimVT Preach ID Software, Preach
Man I would love to see a doom game with the story from the doom bible.
+TGaming Here is a mod you might like: www.moddb.com/mods/doomthe-tei-tenga-incident
+Viewtiful Joe thanks bro!
TGaming You are welcome and I hope you enjoy it ^_^.
+TGaming Doom III is kinda like that
+TGaming "Doom Bible" sounds pretty metal.
You know who helped port Doom to Windows 95?
Gabe Newell.
Never ignore the true Lord Gaben.
Too bad that Doom '95 was considered inferior to the original. And Gabe Newell never help make the original port because it was released before Newell started his computing career.
+order661000 Technically he worked on a source port that would eventually become Doom95, but not Doom95 itself.
(the Doom95 source port isn't very good, no mouse support or demo playback)
+Homestar20845 Doom95 does have both those things, but as Windows progresses, compatibility issues rise. Mouse control was lost in Windows 2000, and demo playback was lost in Windows XP.
KillThad
Well, that explains it, considering I played on XP back then.
Homestar20845 Fair enough.
DOOM: The Greatest FPS of All Time
Couldn't agree more!
Internet Anarchist™ I find 90s shooters like Doom and Doom II to be a hundred times more entertaining than this trash that gets released every year; Hell, Doom and Doom II are my favorite games.
Quake has a pretty good shot too, though both owe a lot to each other.
Correction Quake is the best fps of all time
DOOM: The only good FPS series left.
1:27 "however this plan was abandoned to allow the developers more creative freedom"
I had to listen to this twice to remember that it actually used to happen
Your avatar fits your comment perfectly.
I was hoping you guys would mention the whole "Doom runs on printers" thing.
Took 26 years but Microsoft does own id software now
The thing with the title being named after a line in the color of money gave me an idea:
I want somebody to make a fake commercial for DooM, and re-enact the scene but at the end "Tom Cruise" pulls a copy of DooM out of the case.
I think it would work out with the recent release of doom eternal
2:47
*_Meanwhile, at 2003..._*
" _Story in a game is like story in a porn movie... It's expected to be there but it's not that import_ ~~"
*_Blue lights and teleportation noises_*
"Hey, my name is _Ridley_, and I came from the future to tell you why that's bullshit."
Shigeru Miyamoto from Nintendo said something similar in an interview. And that's why Mario hasn't really developed past 'save the princess'.
1 title half life
Tell me why, MOST storytelling on videogames is mediocre at best.
It's not bullshit, it's true.
***** that's because of reign of terror of the meathead fps games.
and my parents said i wouldnt learn anything on the internet
Have they not heard of Wikipedia?
thecommenter67 or yahoo answers
*****
Or urban dictionary
@@milesleblanc164 no not that lol
0:32 crazy to think that basically 25 years later, it would actually come to fruition
Back in the day, I would label porn disks as "Doom 2" so that way I figured parents wouldn't look. Me and friends would refer to porn as "Doom 2" as well
You sir, win the internet
Well the creator did compared games to porn so seems legit, and adequate.
Seriously? Doom 2 is better than porn.
TomoAlien At least 5 times as gud.
But when they glance into your room...
BUT NOT SHANE THO
NOT SHANE XD
INSANE SHAAAAAANE!!!!!!!
MAAAAAYNE
My name is Shane. D: WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME!?!?!?
'Sup?
I wonder if the new DOOM will have similar maps but with the real music. Can you imagine a large scale map of exploding barrels and spiderdemons while listening to Them Bones?
***** or dont you know, its a free country.
ims0deranged i dont think it would be similar at all.. alot of the day1 id software developers left the company.. and the rest of the company are new people from bethesda so it would never be the same DOOM as it used to be
***** i thought you where suggesting they put in dubstep in doom thats why. plus i wasnt really being that serious. relax man.
Or something by nirvana
Whoever decides to put dub step in a DOOM game is an R-Tard
"Microsoft considered buying Id Software" That aged well.
2:50
I completely disagree with his statement, especially if the game is a singleplayer experience. The story makes everything you go through more interesting, if it's well written.
Very much agreed, but this was a time where games were revolutionary for what they were: interactive digital media. There were already major means of storytelling media. (Although, funny enough, this was also the peak of the Point and Click Adventure genre, which was heavily focused on storytelling). But as we've seen many times, games are a great means of interactive storytelling, even when coinciding intense gameplay.
Many indy developers realize this, and exploit it to great effect. Unfortunately, many Triple-A developers in today's market seem to agree with Carmack, clearly thinking that style over substance is what will make them the most money (which, also unfortunately, it probably will).
You know, as a follow-up to my previous comment, I honestly think Doom ended up better for the lack of story involved in it. The few quips of text we get add a great amount of atmosphere, and the addition of heavy amounts of cinematic, dialog, and (especially) additional characters would have really bogged the intense feel and gameplay of the game. Not to mention, the graphics and technology simply weren't good enough to give proper and truly engaging interactive storytelling back then, like we have now.
Wrapping up, I think Doom came out about as perfectly as it could for its time.
You have to admit tho...Doom didn't really need a story.
"When asked what's inside the case, he replies 'DOOOOMUH'."
Tom actually just says "Doom" in a rather normal fashion. XD
This game was to video games like heavy metal was to music when it first came out.
We need a Wolfenstein Did You Know Gaming
that would be awsome
BraydenMiller Little did he know it would be released today, one year later! Guess it took a year to find his comment.
2:48
Man. I disagree with John Carmack.
Story is some game genres like RPGS or even stealth games (Metal Gear Solid) help make the game feel more like a movie. Hence the need for a story line in a video game.
I agree. Story is one of the many features that helps make the game immersive.
I'd say it depends on the game. You're totally right about RPGs though, a lot of the fun revolves on the story and the universe it's depicted in. But we can't deny games like Minecraft, which have zero story and are still extremely immersive! But yeah, good stories have the tendency to stay longer in mind. I remember a lot more of GTA San Andreas' story than GTAV's story, which makes me want to play SA a lot more than V, even today!
William H. Buttlicker
For some genres, it works better with others then say... I don't know, arcade games.
Where story doesn't matter. First person shooters? I understood his point there. The story doesn't need to be in the game. Though the point still remains that story is vital for some games like Final Fantasy or even Resident Evil.
Nick's Game Reviews You're definitely right! In fact, it's the exact reason why I don't play the latest FF or RE games; the last one's stories didn't do it for me at all and it makes me not want to continue the series. So yeah, story can be important. But I was making the Minecraft point because I still play it after 3 years and still enjoy, with 0 story to back it! :D
William H. Buttlicker
I reckon Final Fantasy IX has the best story in the series. Followed by X.
the iPhone/iTouch version of doom uses an absolutely brilliant control scheme featuring a rotating wheel to turn and touchscreen integration to interact with all the things.. It feels really smooth and really comfortable so if anyone wants doom on the go that is a great place to look.
I agree.
Is it on the Play Store?
RarefoilB I'm not sure. I'm sure if it is then it should be the same version.
+RarefoilB You can play doom with D-Touch.Plus you can play it with mod.P.S. you need the doom wad.Go find it in the internet.
AgentSapphire wasnt the iphone port done by john carmack himself?
Guys you missed the most important fact DOOM GUY IS A LEFTY
Boom! I'd say ya nailed it!
Was a lefty
He's both he shoots the pistol and punches with his left, but shoots everything else with his right hand.
its nice not hearing markiplier fucking screaming for once
Kyle Reynolds ...it sure is...
Nightmare kitteh he got annoying after a while because of his "I'll scream every time a jumpscare happens"
pepper Mill And act obnoxiously scared the entire time prior.
Ryan Detwiler I got so annoyed with those kind of people, that I was relieved when UI found a LP'er named HarshlyCritical, who was a breath of fresh air.
Yeah he's a cool dude...when he's not screaming like a fucking child.....just like every other fucking youtube scumbag.
Hence my point; it's nice not hearing him scream for once. Does that clear it up for all of you?
Also, the Windows 95 port of Doom was actually made by Gabe Newell.
Half-Life 69 confirmed.
I know I'm too late but it should be called half life 666
......69. hehehe.
I felt so much pain seeing that this comment referencing the “half life 3 confirmed” meme is *6 years old*
0:32 "... prompted Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates to consider buying idsoftware but instead Microsoft opted to develop a Windows 95 port of Doom..."
THANK.GOD.
Comment that aged poorly
Boy how the tables have turned
Oh damn you should look back to this comment
Eventualy he did.
Boy do I have news for you.
Since a lot of people are arguing about the topic of plots in video games, I'll just say this:
The importance of plot in a video game highly relies on what _type_ of game you're going for; The classic Doom games benefited from a lack of plot, as it was meant to be more of a fast-paced action game. RPGs and adventure games are more story driven because gameplay itself is slower and more deliberate; the players _expect_ fine details as a result. A plot-heavy action game can feel awkward. (See: Super Paper Mario) A story-only game has the potential to be even worse. (See: David Cage's drivel)
A lot of great games are known for finding a good medium; The Dark Souls games, for example, have an ignorable plot, but it's rich and detailed for the players who care. Other games like Shovel Knight and Skullgirls only have small snippets of plot, but great care was put into those moments.
In conclusion, Libya is a country of contrast.
Except you openly mention Dark Soul's way of telling narrative, which would have enhanced Doom if it was chosen. It would have provided a richer experience for those who like narratives, and it wouldn't have slowed down the game if the player wasn't interested. Plain and simple, a stronger narrative provided in the same way as Dark Souls would have made the game better, and because of the director's ignorance, we as consumers were left with an inferior product. That shouldn't be defended.
Green Sanic doom could do it like left 4 dead did, scribble the lore on all the walls.
Green Sanic Except that's not what I was saying at all. The lore in Dark Souls is 100% ignorable to those who aren't interested, because it's told through level design and scenery. The entire point I was making was that it being there for the players who do care would make it a superior game. Shit, do you even no how to fucking read?
venomtest oh. so basically what i was saying.
Green Sanic if that is how you interpreted his comment then you are honestly hopeless -_-;
6:37 That line delivery was perfect.
The main doom theme also takes from Metallica's No Remorse, just thought I'd let your know.
No remorse, no repent!!!
NOOOOO REEEEEEMORRRRRSSSEEEEE!!!!
good song
I hear a higher resemblance to master of puppets, but that's just like, uh, my opinion
Jacob Serna well its actually the riff you hear in the background during the chorus of No Remorse. I didnt understand why people thought the E1M1 music was from No Remorse either until I listened to the song very closely during the chorus
Both songs are very similar I know the beginning of Master of Puppets sounds similar but what explosion954 said is true.
People be like "story isn't needed in games, it should go away"
Me: *cough cough* Bioshock Infinite *cough cough* The Last of Us *cough cough* Pokemon *cough cough* Gta series *cough cough* Mario (made saving the princess cliche) *cough cough* I need to get that cough checked out
Cough cough Minecraft cough cough
Cough cough Tetris
DaFlamingLink Minecraft is technically a story of a traveler.
DauntingDays Technically it's the story of a man who wakes up lost on an island.
DaFlamingLink There is story in Minecraft, you must beat the game first to read it.
John Carmack has it right. It's the gameplay that drives games further from being a different medium than movies and books, not the story of each and every one.
Even then the storyline must be compelling. Good gameplay will only get you so far if you got a sloppy storyline. Take Lightning Returns for example, great gameplay. However has a sub-par storyline.
BigBoxGamer The best is when a game has both and is able to manipulate the gameplay elements to further the story
Cascade Hellsing Like Xenoblade Chronicles did. eg. in the story of Xenoblade Chronicles the main character gains the power to look afew minutes into the future, they implement this through a timer showing when a creature or a boss would use a lethal attack on a character you would have 8 seconds to either protect the character or topple the creature/boss, Xenoblade Chronicles is a great example of what you said so if you can get a hold of the game I'd highly recommend it.
One wonders why games like "the last of us" sell so well.
Neither does this game have good gameplay nor has it a great story (it's pretty predictable and rehashed stuff, just more mushrooms).
Green Sanic But it did use a plot device to give you new Gameplay,.
Seeing how much Doom means to Mark in Eternal, then seeing this just warms my heart.
0:38 The funny thing about this fact now is that Microsoft owns Bethesda, who owns Id Software
0:48 bill dresser in that black trench coat with the shotgun. Ready to meet up with dylan and eric. He was late so he just didn't show up. He was too busy promoting DOOM
Savage
HA!
HILARIOUS AND ORGINEL!!!111
The Brutal Doom mod had to be one of the best FPS experiences in existence.
+jmatt781 How about Brutal Doom: Project Brutality?
+7dog123 how about Brutal doom + Russian overkill + Guncaster + Trailblazer? Mind Blown
+jmatt781 No Sir, BF2 holds that honor.
i prefer complex doom
+jmatt781 Try Project Brutality. It is an improvement over Brutal Doom
(Me in Bible class) teacher: "you got your Bible?" Me: *pulls out DOOM Bible* "I got the only Bible I'll need"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Teacher:YOURE GOING TO HELLL you: good,
@@-Grey- You know I've never had a teacher full on say that before. And I've met some pretty religious teachers
I've always thought the first level song sounds a lot like the main riff to master of puppets.
+heresjonny666 "At Doom's Gate" (E1M1) is an amalgam of Metallica's "No Remorse" and "Master of Puppets", and Slayer's "Behind the Crooked Cross". I figured that would have been mentioned in the bit about musical references as well.
Crunkman2k Late by 3 years, but you’re right about the No Remorse one, and wrong about Behind the Crooked Cross. The one that sounds like Behind the Crooked Cross is E3M1.
I kinda feel neutral toward his quote about stories in games. While I do like a nice story in games(especially if it's well written and have likable characters) a game doesn't need a story to be good, but a game with a story needs to be good, otherwise no matter how great the story is, not a lot of people will sit through a shitty game to know what's gonna happen next, and not a lot of people will want to revisit a game with okay, but not fun, gameplay, the only reason I'd see someone do that is for achievements.
Doom for an example, is just pure, unadulterated fun, while it does have a story, the game and gameplay aren't centered around it, and it's there just as a brief concept to explain what the shit is happening and why the fuck you have to shoot demons in the face, you play Doom for it's gameplay, and the lack of proper story didn't stop it from being a massive hit as well as a great and fun game to play, even generations after its release. Then we have games like Spec Ops: The Line, great and very well written and executed story, but the gameplay is just eh, the game isn't fun to play and doesn't encourage you to replay it multiple times either, which(in my opinion) makes it feel like wasted money, because you already feel satisfied playing through it once, while Doom, you always have that itch to go back and play it again, and it will be a blast to plow through the game just like always.
I don't know if that's what Carmack wanted to express, and ended up sounding like a jerk, but I know that what I said is my opinion, and what I believe. Which is rather hypocritical of me because I fucking love Metal Gear.
Fire Emblem don't have shitty gameplay, it's just a turn based SRPG series, a really good one at that. You may find the gameplay boring from time to time, to which I agree, but shitty it ain't.
And Heavy Rain is an odd one, the main factor that makes it great is not just the Story, but it's replayability. Heavy Rain have a bunch of branching paths that leads to different kinds of situations and endings, encouraging the player to visit it more than once, that's the true greatness of the game. Now take Beyond: Two Souls for example, it's the same thing, shit gameplay and great story, but it's an okay game at best, and why is that? Because the game don't have what made its predecessor so good, the branching situations, Beyond is a stupidly linear QTE fest that can be ended in about thee hours and you're done, there's nothing else to the game unlike Heavy Rain.
Gouanaco Playing Doom for the story is like watching a music video for solely the video. Doom has barely any story, people only play it for the level design and blowing the fuck out of demons.
Hearing Markiplier mention Slayer was like mind blowing, favorite gaming youtuber and one of my favorite bands of all time. Never thought I see this combination.
+]-)ΣΔ†]-[ Unsuspecting victims, no warnings, no signs.
dead skin mask!!!
+Zan Man On and on, South of Heaven!!
South of Heaven is cool and all but I like to give some love to a lot of the underrated songs in the Show No Mercy and Hell Awaits albums and any other song in Reign In Blood that DOESN'T have the titles "Raining Blood" and "Angel of Death"
I commented solo, but then I saw this. I loves me some slayer too... does doom 1 e1m1 not sound just like behind the crooked cross or what?
I like this side of Markiplier a lot more than his annoying/goofy as on his main channel.
Well sloping floors are possible in doom now due to source ports.
"Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important." hahaha brilliant
i usally replace "Story in games" with "graphics" when i talk to PC master race people because graphics mean shit
Theo Truter Very true. I love stories in games such as to the moon and cry of fear, but Karmack's quote made me laugh.
But to be exact, sourceports are - as the name implies - ports, and not the original Game Engine. So it's still not possible in the original "id Tech 1" Doom Engine
VinzRex Yes, that is true.
Theo Truter
You lowly peasant. Don't you know we care not for graphical fidelity? The PC master races goal is to rid the world of 30 FPS forever! *Evil laughter*
Half-Life
Metro
Portal
Bioshock
Deus Ex
Just some of the most critically acclaimed FPS with great stories. Even Far Cry 3 and Borderlands 2 had interesting stories.
don't forget Fallout 3
Half Life and Portal are in the same universe...
Prankster McGrail And yet they're very different.
***** Lord Gaben, you just gave me the biggest nerdgasm in my life.
half-life did what idiot fpses like cod failed to do, weave the story into the gameplay
Me: *wonders when Mark will make an appearance*
also me after finding out it was him all along: 👁👄👁
Wow the Kurt Cobain reference in Doom 2 was pretty dark and obscure. Should I feel bad for laughing about it?
Who cares
LeRedditorWhoLovesAnime CarlSaganWeedMLPAndFedoras Kurt Colbain cares
JLaniewski He's fucking dead.
opalatom My name is a joke about reddit. Why are you getting so uptight about it anyway?
Some joke. there isn't even a punch line.
0:45 Bill Gates reenacting Columbine
Seeing as this happened 4 years before Columbine. No.
Alexander Steele hmm you are right. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were reenacting Bill Gates
+Cliff Reeser Your name reminds me of Morrowind
What a coincidence. one of the shooters of the school shooting played doom to releive stress. he even made custom maps for the game as a simulation for the actual shooting. He even went as far as saying "Its going to be like Doom!"
+The Doctor I know that u secretly love me, bby. :3
A few mistakes: 1. Spear of Destiny is a PREQUEL not a SEQUEL. 2. The games *do not* take place on "alien planets". They take place on the two natural satellites of Mars: Phobos, and Deimos.
"and even sloped flooring, although this feature was later removed"
...and then added back in by sonic team jr. 26 years later
what no dopefish refference, no secret area for the datapad at the end of doom 3? no secret room at the end of doom 2?
no secret face behind the last boss, no creepy ass face in the opening of doom 3 ect ect
Uh, there isn't a dopefish reference in Doom...
Maybe they'll make a part 2. I hope they do Doom is pretty cool!
This ep is about little known or not at all known things about the franchise, while as awesome as these thing you have presented are, they are really well known
Most of the time the guys from DYKG try to gather facts, that not everyone already knows about.
"Story in videogames is not that important"
Yeah, in the old days, for make a good video game you just need a badass character, a shotgun, and a sh*tload of monsters.
Hotline Miami is a modern expample.
I know there s a history, but its kinda hidden, so it s an example after all.
Marlon Lopez Troya In the old days it was just about playing for the fun of defeating bosses and enemies while traversing the environment. I'm sad new games feel like they need to hammer story into every fucking crevice of itself to seem good, then people look at it as art. What happened to video games?
BlueSparks Some Videogames can be considered as art. Look at Half Life, it was fun and it has an interesting storyline. also MGS, And a lot of modern games. now is considered as the best game of the video game generation. But i dont think games like Doom, Duke Nukem and very, very old one games deserve a story line, hope this will happen with the new DooM. We don t wanna see any fucking shit of DoomGuy talking about how war changued or that he s tired of killing demons, we wanna see BLOOD.
Marlon Lopez Troya Yeah but gameplay should be the main focus with story along it like Half-Life, fuck games that are story and story only. Why would anybody want to play a shitty game, even if the story is good?
BlueSparks Yeah, i think it s just like movies, they have to have an interesting story and being fun. Some games follow the concept you are talking and end up being boring or just being considered as "if games and movies had a baby" Like MGS I dont like much of them, i ve just played the first one and MGS 2. MGS4 Has LONG cutscenes..
I m going back to HL, that game dont need cutscenes t being a fun and interesting game, but no, the rest of AAA Companies still using cutscenes as "to maek d gaem moar intrsting and culturic". I m agree with your concept, the gameplay should be focus in story and at the same time make the player something important on it.
+Marlon Lopez Troya You have to wonder what John Carmack would think of games like the Metal Gear Solid series in regards to how he feels that "Story in videogames is not that important"?
Markiplier's voice is always sex for the ears.
Except when he is doing videos for his prepubescent audience.
0:05 The Ultimate Doom title theme (8-bit version) play
It's not 8 bit. It's from the Ad Lib sound card.
@@lilorangefella Ok... I misunderstanding.
The second he said "The chainsaw and shotgun were inspired by" I was like The Evil Dead! glad I was right.
4:40 Doom the ultimate Christian game
Not even a mention of Master of Puppets??? Literally the MOST recognized soundtrack on DOOM??? Wow, did you people REALLY fuck up.
Never heard of that song before. And the most recognizable has to be At Dooms gate.
The Nightingale If you haven't heard of Master of Puppets you have no business listening to real music.
Dude thats ripped from the doom menu
The Nightingale LOL OH MY GOD ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID XD?!?!?!?! Doom took inspiration FROM Master of Puppets! Holy fucking shit get your dumb ass off the band wagon of ignorance! The makers of Doom even SAID that they took inspiration from MoP! What the fuck are you smoking XD?!
Sorry my mistake XD fact is that the song you mean is the opening theme of doom is mop. But the most recognized one has to be slayers "shawns got the shotgun" south of heaven inspiration.
Rock, Metal, Friggin space demons, BFG 9000, what more could you ask for.
a graphical improvement and we got that too
i'd like to see john carmack go up to hideo kojami's face and tell him why a story isn't important. he'd probably get punched in the face
Who's Hideo Kojami?
Also in a game like Metal Gear, a plot is important. However, Doom is just a hard core action game.
Contra had jack shit when it came to plot, and that was an action game and everyone praised the hell out of it. Same goes for Doom.
Beyond Big Boss
Yeah, but the little of the plot there was stopped it being released in Europe without being censoured
Beyond Big Boss For me it's all about my mood, sometimes I want a really good story and sometimes I just want really good game mechanics. I'm personally not a person who favors one over the other. It also depends on the game too, sometimes games really need a story to fill in context and sometimes the story gets in the way of the action.
Carmack never got any training on how to resist torture. Looks like Hideo had some fun with him alright.
I bet he watches porn for the story
I completely agree with John Carmack's statement on game story. Take games like Last of Us, it's "A not-so-special survival action + a story a TV show could have done better". There is no point, games are about gameplay, and 'dat story and voice acting doesn't really help boring or generic gameplay.
Actually, a interesting story can push you through the shittest of games
***** No, it does not make up for bad gameplay, if anything, it tries to make you slog through shit to get to the next story event, which you don't have to do with a tory or movie.
*****
Ehhh.. it did for me and .hack. Though the battle system kinda grew on me.
I can see where you're coming from but I think narrative can help when it is integrated into the world and gameplay like in Bethesda's games or how I've heard Dark Souls 2 is (I haven't played it yet.) Just please don't give up on narrative yet, I know they suck most of the time but I'm sure we'll get some better narrative in games eventually.
***** Hate to break it to you but they way overdid it with the amount of sequels and they are dull now.
At 4:11 it says the maps are based on floors from Escape from Castle Wolfenstein.
Surely he means Wolfenstein 3D. Not the same game... not even the same developer.
And now the latest entry to Doom as a reference to Markiplier's father.
Glorious.
John Carmack is completely correct about stories in games, I wish Western game developers would take a page from his book these days.
With certain kinds of genres/games I will expect a good story. However in other genres/games i just want to crush everything that dares stand in my way, Doom is one of those.
mah nigga
John Carmack should host a talk show with David Cage so they can discuss story in video games. It'll be hilarious.
Markiplier just has the best voice for narrating stuff!
After a good 20 minutes of searching and listening, I can now happily confirm that the music that plays at beginning is E2M1 (I Sawed The Demons),Specifically the SC55 version.
Raycaster Engine "Wolfenstein 3D engine"- Wolfenstein 3D, Catacomb 3D, Hovertank 3D.
IDtech engine- DOOM, Heretic, Hexen.
IDtech2 engine- Quake, Quake 2.
IDtech3 engine- Quake 3 Arena, Return to Castle Wolfenstein.
IDtech4 engine- DOOM 3, Quake 4, Wolfenstein 2009.
IDtech5 engine- RAGE, Wolfenstein: The New Order.
IDtech6 engine- DOOM 4.
Wasn't the Quake 3 engine also used to make the first CoD game? Also, I'm pretty sure Duke Nukem 3D also used the Doom engine.
Cyberlord
Yes, COD uses a modified IDtech3 engine & still use it today. (lazy asses)
No, Duke Nukem 3D Engine is pretty much it's own engine.
I think John Carmack have said that they use a completely different engine even though it looks similar.
The DN3D engine "Build Engine" is actually much more advanced than the IDtech1 engine (DOOM engine)
Genesis Does What Nintendoes!!! Yeah, I thought Duke Nukem took Doom's engine and enhanced it so that you could look up and down and go underwater and stuff.
Cyberlord Duke3d's engine is called the Build Engine. It was created entirely by Ken Silverman (another Carmack-level programmer) and licensed to 3dRealms.
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Yes.
This game is like, 15 years old. HOW THE FUCK did it LIFT a beat from a song IN THE FUTURE.
Doom 1 is 22 years old, not 15.
well either way its still old enough to NOT lift a beat from a song that DIDNT exist at the time.
Andrew Edwards Maybe Id Software has a time-machine or something?
Maybe the song in the future took inspiration from Doom?
Sally Butter Pants My theory about time-machine sounds far more legit.!
I dislike his content almost as much as pewdipie's, but I do think he did a splendid job here. He has a great voice, especially for videos like this.
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Magus Silveresti He's a contender, but he doesn't have the same volume of horrendous copycats.
Edan R
You can't really blame copycats on the person they're copying - you can blame the copycats themselves, though.
Andrew Douglass I can think of loads of people without fullfilling Godwin's law. How about Stalin or Mussolini? Khadaffi was pretty bad, not to mention Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. Kim Il Sung was a bad guy, and so was Mao. And then there was Nero, Attila, Ghengis Khan and Vlad the impaler. Also, Kony 2012.
PewDiePie isn't _that_ bad.
Magus Silveresti At least I can laugh at DSP being a piece of shit. Pewdiepie is just unbearable.
You know what they say: heavy metal is *_the Devil in music._*
You! How are you alive?!
actually people said rock in general (not specific to metal) was "The Devil's music"
Mark has the perfect voice for Doom.
I think story in video games is like story in early action movies. It's there and sometimes good, but you there to see stuff explode and people fighting.
Rise of the Triad! First shooter I remember that let you doublefist pistols. Played Terminal Velocity, too, though on one of those discs with just demo/shareware versions of games. Nostalgia, man. Nostalgia.
I helped runl DWANGO in Houston Texas in 93-94 as First Moderator and got to play all these titles before released! Love Romero DwangoBob Kee Kim tell and other Dwanbomians? Flower and Daisy!
Kee Kim tell Daisy and Flower HDrambo! Shabash!
Thy Flesh Consumed actually sounds like a badass name for a heavy metal song.
"The Doom Bible" needs to be a name of some christian rock band.
Just why wasn't the facts that doom is still actively played after 20 years in multiplayer on a daily basis mentioned? What about having the most flexible modding you can find without being an actual development engine? Source ports have kept Doom alive in a grand fashion, and it puzzles me that those things aren't mentioned when there is a link to a let's play of brutal doom.
I'll have to disagree on Carmack's views on game stories, if video gaming is to be accepted as a form of media alongside TV, Movies and Books, it has to have a strong and immersive narrative other wise gaming is seen as more of a hobby than a media format.
It's reasoning like that statement that makes those unfamiliar with gaming panic about gratuitous violence in video games. They see it as just a hobby akin to sports or drawing rather than a form of entertainment.
Minecraft does not have a story. It worked. Games can work without a story. Sure, it makes them better or adds depth and *is expected*, but it is not necessary. He didn't say "Story makes a game worse" or "Story has no influence". He said summed up "Story can help,but can be exchanged with good gameplay as well."
looplolpop Minecraft has a story. The story you create for yourself. Walk up to any Minecraft player, young or less young, and they'll have at least one tale of exploration, construction, devastation, or multiplayer heroism.
Now i'm someone who prefers plot driven games but still, the idea that games have to have narratives to be taken seriously. Fuck that. Why do we even care about being taken seriously that much? Stop chasing acceptance and let the acceptance come to us, it's happening right now.
why do games have to be a form of media alongside tv, movies and books? thats what I like about games, not influenced by crappy tv and what-not
You have to understand that in that time Story was not a thing in video games. Yet
When Mark says, "Thy body are consumed", it's actually kinda creepy.
That Kurt Cobain reference was so sly.
Who’s here after Doom Guy was announced as the 4th DLC in Smash?!
Rodrigo Peña really?!!???
@@nolanandgrear460 no.
0:33 - 0:38 well, looks like they changed their minds about not buying ID software!
i love how dyk gaming can make any youtuber sound like a random in house narrator
Missing "Did You Know?": Did you know, Doom 3 isn't the 3rd Doom game in the series. That honor goes to the lesser known Nintendo 64 exclusive 'Doom 64'.
It was intended as the sequel to Doom 2. As stated in the back story:
"...The classified archives are opened. The military episodes code named "DOOM" were not actually completed. A single entity with vast rejuvenation powers, masked by the extreme radiation levels, escaped detection. In its crippled state, it systematically altered decaying dead carnage back into corrupted living tissue.
The mutations are devastating. The Demons have returned even stronger and more vicious than before. As the only experienced survivor of the DOOM episode, your commission is re-activated. Your assignment is clear: MERCILESS EXTERMINATION...."
...There where like, 3 other games between that and Doom II.
Well then, I suppose we'll all be seeing in-depth storylines in our porn from now on, Mr. Carmack. Story is an element of a game like the Music, the Gameplay, The Visuals... But, I suppose if you can't do it right, it's best if you stick to the aspects you know how to do well.
I'm sure he'll see your comment and change his entire outlook. His next game might be completely different now.
***** Story IS important in a game, that guy is a dumb idiot who got lucky in a game. He created a slaughter game, but he didn't create a masterpiece, which has to contain an excellent story. My two favorite games of all time, Shadow of the Colossus and The Last of Us (which are the favorites of many gamers out ther as well, much more than Doom will ever be) are story driven games that pass the experience the developers wanted. I could tell you modern examples, but to say that a game shouldn't have a good story is to support an ignorant gaming industry that is nothing more than what the journals describe.
*****
You gotta be the most ignorant "gamer" (if you consider yourself so) that has EVER existed, or at least that I have seen. I bet you're one of those Call of Duty/Battlefield hardcore fans. By saying that gameplay is the core of a game is to be, as I said, as ignorant as journalists who WRITES about games. I'm not talking about reviewers, I'm talking about those ignorant pricks who call themselves psychologists and promote games as being nothing more than just nonsense killing and incentivations of bad behavior. My point is proven futhermore when you say that The Last of Us is "a shitty slideshow". Did you even PLAY the game? Do you even know how it works? Just look around you, look at gamers everywhere, it's one of the best games ever made, and EVERYBODY agrees with that! I know there are haters everywhere, and you have the right to not like the game, but saying that the game is a "shitty slideshow" is idiotic at best. I'm a console and a PC gamer, I've played through at least 4 generations of games, so get your fucking facts straight before typing such crap. Doom was a genre defining game, and it sure was revolutionary for its time, but you can't compare it to REAL games, the ones that can actually be called game, the ones that are excellent in not only gameplay, but story-telling as well (graphics are there, but they're not the main attraction). Video Games have evolved from your shitty perspective a long time ago, it's sad that gamers like you are out there nowadays.
***** I know, right?
It's like how people go on and on about junk like "The Last of Us" or "Bioshock Infinite", which indeed have a great story, but is just unbearable to freaking play. If they truly have such high ambitions, but can't at the very least make it playable, why not just make it a CGI episodic series instead?
Kara Forrenz I know, right? It is so hard when people's opinions about what is good differs from my own, too.
2:55 Holy shit he doesn't know how wrong he is.
The Terminal Velocity and Rise Of The Triads connections?! mind sploded, I love those games too.
This was great.
...Am I the only one who really doesn't care who provides the voice for these videos?
Just one of the few who would post about it.
Story is the best part of most games though.
Of most games? Platformers, racing, fighting, hack and slash, beat em-ups, RTS, MOBAs, freeroam and FPS are all genres of some sort that pay little attention to story yet can maintain as great pieces of this medium.
Point Three i wish mortal kombat. And street fighter had more a story done well..
Then they are bad games, but good story
Woah John Carmack was wrong, cough cough *Farcry 3* cough cough.
Trash
I just noticed Markiplier and Arin from the Game Grumps have similar sounding voices, except Mark is like an octave or 2 lower in pitch lol
Who the hell captured this gameplay footage and why do they not sprint
That pissed me off too
So THAT'S why the music in Doom was so awesome!
I wonder why they included that Carmack quote about stories not mattering in games? He said that like 12 years ago, I'm sure his opinion has changed (ever heard of RAGE???) Even so, Doom does good with it's minimalist story... But it isn't *no* story, there's pages of text every 10 or so levels that explains what's going on and why you're doing what you're doing in both Doom 1 and Doom 2.
I love DYKG but I hate when they misrepresent information, which happens *a lot* more than you might think... If you fancy yourself a bit of a "video game historian" I really reccommend fact checking before talking about DYKG stuff with your gaming buds. Just my 2 cents!
If you're remotely interested in a series, Did You Know Gaming is a good starting point to discover new facts. But I don't think anyone would recommend using it as a source if you're actually serious about learning the the entire history of a franchise. Just because of the short length and rapid-fire structure of the writing, the more cursory details are glossed over. That's not a bad thing in-and-of itself, but it can possibly lead to some confused or perhaps unintended perceptions. Remember that these videos are put out weekly, and they are made by humans who are imperfect. There will always be some things that slip through the cracks. Or some things that just do not occur to the folks behind the scenes. It's currently not possible to fix hard audio or video after the video has been uploaded, unlike an article or wiki page. Your criticism is certainly valid. But you should be aware that the folks at Did You Know Gaming have an interest in being as accurate and fair as possible.
Very valid points man. To be clear, I really like DYKG, I don't mean to put down on them!
DoomKid well... Rage story is not realy important in the game. I love Rage, I think it's overlook on many levels. But you don't play Rage for the story like you would for Planescape Torment.
Yes, for Carmack the story was never important and I would also say that the only thing that realy matters to him was the engine. The story, the gameplay, that was always for his co-workers. Carmack is a genius, he is an engineer but he is not a story teller.
That is not to say that Doom "story" is not important. Then again I wouldn't qualify it as a real story but rather as a background, an ambience.
They literally fucking say that he said that in 2003.
In some games I don't want tacked on story, I just want to shoot.
Mark is such a big doom fan that he didn’t even bother playing the dlc for eternal
I love how people just gotta hate. Markiplier does a great job. PDP does a good job for his fanbase.
They however do not have the same commentary style.
Mark is just a natural spaz and goof. Always has been. That "change" people see is due more to themselves trying to compare him to someone else. When you actually watch the two commentators side by side, they are worlds apart.
People don't like that Markiplier has become less kid friendly, and yet compare him and call him a copycat of ome of the most kid friendly tubers.
Honestly go back and watch marks older videos. He is holding back, its easy to tell.
he's becoming more comfortable with the scene so becoming more himself, and bob and wade have said before that in actuality (off-camera) stuff he says is more 18+. I don't think his commentary is so bad, I still get a good laugh out of it. he's still the same good-hearted person we know and love