All the information in these lectures is infinitely more useful than the information from my English degree. Luckily, I also got a Computer Science degree, which has much greater utility.
Man I don't even notice that I am hopping from one video to the other. They are all so interesting and informative. I am learning a lot, amazing brain that guy has.
Disease-caused pathogens and authoritarian governance. That's an extremely interesting finding considering the current 2020 social condition. It gets people on side with political law etc..
"Pandemic" is a very strong word for it. Global forced quarantine is more accurate. The virus is the justification for mass shutdowns by many governments who are overreaching in their authority, but the below 1.5M worldwide deaths do not justify this stacked against the world population nearing 8 billion. In the US alone if 1.5M were dead it would not justify this stacked against the just below 400M population even. It is a very dark sign I would say. I am quite sure JBP would agree.
Dr Peterson, I know there's almost no chance you're reading this but I just want to thank you for these. Your videos are shaping my Jung mind daily. Couldn't help the pun, sorry.
Outline of this lecture: 0:00 Conservatives and liberals. Filtering mechanisms. 3:24 You never get a benefit without a price. 4:38 Conscientiousness is beneficial only on condition that the future is predictable 5:15 Hyperinflation. Some history of pre-WWII Germany. 7:18 Industriousness. 8:21 Correlation between intelligence and conscientiousness is 0. 10:30 Industrious people may be aversive to inactivity. 11:01 Conscientiousness predicts military performance. 11:50 Orderliness 12:36 Problems with modeling conscientiousness 14:10 Conscientiousness correlates negatively with neuroticism. 16:10 Conscientiousness is related with depression and guilt. 18:50 More disadvantages of conscientiousness. 20:15 Orderliness 20:58 Disgust sensitivity. 22:42 Behavioural immune system. 23:30 Tangent: Antibiotic resistance. 25:54 Back to behavioural immune system. 32:20 OCD. Man with a dog... 37:22 Anorexia 40:49 Perfectionism 42:55 Divorce predictor - rolling eyes 43:48 PC authoritarianism 44:29 Back to behavioural immune system. 46:53 Two core dimensions of conservative ideology: resistance to change and tolerance of inequality. 50:13 Preference for order and tradition is associated with orderliness and politeness (aspect of agreeableness) as well as lower openness. Egalitarianism is associated with compassion (aspect of agreeableness). 50:39 Conservatism - extension of immune system to society 52:40 What's disgusting is destroyed 53:11 Parasite stress hypothesis 56:58 Pre-Columbian history of Americas 59:52 Hitler 1:00:58 Film: "Triumph of the Will" 1:01:40 Nazism - "Disease of civilization" 1:03:18 Hitler was interested in art, but he divided it into classes of approved and not approved 1:05:45 Pamphlet "Jew as a world parasite" 1:12:18 Nazism was embodied in a sense 1:13:07 Propaganda film against Jews
I have always loathed going to class and actively paying attention in school or doing homework, yet I find myself stopping metallica videos and choosing to watch these lectures. Lately, I've been thinking about taking notes so I can retain more of its content, but I also have no problem re-watching these lectures for the same purpose.
Trust me, man, taking notes is soooo worth it. I've recently read a great book by one Mortimer J. Adler - 'How to Speak, How to Listen' (a sequel of sorts to one of his greatest pieces - 'How to Read Great Books'). He stresses the importance of taking notes, and it's so true! I haven't been reading much in past few years, and I had trouble concentrating on reading, but since I've started taking notes, I've had more success both with reading and with listening! Just imagine this - first you'd take notes for every lecture as it goes. You then should write another set of notes, this time as an analysis of the lecture. Eventually you'd have enough material to cross-reference it many, many times over, improving your understanding of the material dramatically. And every time you add more data to your base of knowledge, you can again deepen your understanding of the subject. Careful, though) You never know just how deep into the depths of your very 'wetware' this rabbit hole goes.
16:12 i sure got guilt! 25:42 "one of the things you can be virtually certain of is that whatever you are worried about happening terribly in the future, it will be something else that you're not worrying about that will actually cause the problem" is a terrifying statement lmao
35:20 hearing that guy's story is really something. Honestly, I could have been one of those people who reported him on "animal cruelty" or some stuff that i don't know enough of the situation to make a move in the first place. Mind opener. Thanks for sharing that. Keeps me in check when hearing stories like it.
This is the fourth 2017 Dr Jordan Peterson lecture I've watched this evening. They've all been outstanding, packed with information and insight and always delivered at pace. The University of Toronto and Harvard University lectures are a treasure trove. Thanks Dr Peterson for putting them all on TH-cam for us to enjoy. Always fascinating, thought-provoking and stimulating.
I'm fairly disgust-sensitive and conservatively minded, and when I saw the pictures of the unbelievable order that Hitler managed to create a thought like "I wish things were like this" had emerged in me and felt a bit of relief. It surprised me what an impact it had on me. It's rather chilling to think that I might have been a Nazi if I were born in the right place at the right time with my mix of traits...
@@thistles Well, I haven't been following other countries' regulations really, my own problems are a handful to begin with, but social isolation, quarantine and online school definitely takes a toll on everyone. To have little to no restrictions would have been the best at the begginning of the spreading of the pandemic when the virus was weaker and it's effects less severe, thus a large portion of the population could have gained a sort of "natural immunity". At this point however stricter measures may be justifiable. Nevertheless I'm not against constraints related to unvaccination since the vaccine really does seem to lessen symptoms and reduce mortality rates. These are my thoughts on the topic in a nutshell
@@grreguss Thank you for indulging my curiosity =) It's funny that my opinion is pretty much the opposite of yours despite also being disgust sensitive.
@@thistles Sure thing! Also, since we're talking about only one trait, there's very little chance that our views on an already divisive topic would coincide, right?
@@grreguss I think that probably depends on the topic. Some traits are more relevant to some topics. I can see compassion overriding everything else when talking about welfare, for example. I would expect something similar when talking about disgust and disease, but apparently not!
"Resistance to change reflects the extent to which people wish to maintain the status quo, while tolerance of inequality reflects the acceptance of an unequal distribution of resources and opportunities within society." Well isn't that self-explanatory? 🤦🏼♀️ Other than that, great lecture! 👏☺️
I found some part of me developing disgust for those Jews shown in the film and I could not believe myself. There really is heaven AND hell within all of us.
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First hour of the lecture: Being high in conscientiousness rocks! I'm nigh-superhuman compared to these messy, lazy blobs of flesh surrounding me. Last half-hour: My god... no.... that... can't be me... that mustn't be me...
SAME. TIL I'm just like Hitler, high in Openness, high in Orderliness, highish in Neuroticism, low in Agreeableness and we have similar tastes. Also: As a Newyorker and having consequently interacted with tons of Jews, I'm shook at how accurate that Nazi video was about their culture, namely how they reserve morality for the in-group and not for the, ehh, "hosts." Seeing that film with my temperament, I can feel myself being potentially persuaded--esp. if I had lost all my money to inflation, lost my husband to WW,1 and my sister to Spanish influenza. Terrifying. Terrifying. Terrifying.
Pretty much me, except for the neuroticism. Dunno if Hitler was introverted, but he vibes like that to me. Extraversion and neuroticism would appear to be the traits where I'm most distant from him (being high in extraversion and low in neuroticism).
@ 19:50 Could I have heard this 20 years ago? My goodness. How can a person I never met, who is speaking at a place I have never been to, hit the nail on the head so accurately.
I didn't expect it, but I think Jordan Peterson just convinced me to buy only grass fed beef. Because the way he explained the corn and cow and antibiotic thing actually got to me.
1:01:40 How surreal it is to see JBP give such a from-the-top explanation of the Spanish Flu a couple of years before COVID (The time stamp is a good jumping in point, however he doesn’t mention the flu for about another 10 seconds or so)
I have been following some of the research on disgust sensitivity- but the way Dr. Peterson put this all together, really was one of the most insightful lectures, ever. Like a book. Thank you so much for such useful information.
He lectures the way it should be done - because he is genuinely fascinated by the subject and because he really cares to convey his excitement to his students. No wonder he annoys the self-righteous PC crowd: to them, authenticity and passion are dangerous!
7:24 industriousness 14:10 stability encourages hard work, sacrifice, and thinking about the future, the more stable you feel your environment is, the easier it is to work 16:49 I can’t enjoy relaxation if I feel like I’m not moving forward towards my goals (especially if I feel like I’m moving backwards from my goal)
Watched this while eating, messing with the phone and my head jumping from ramification to ramification of what was being said. Finally 1h30min about why I cant be unbusy with something.. Thank you
o my god...peterson is amazing he has studied history so much it is fabulous and thank god he is a genius and powerful enough to bring his studies to us via u tube....PLEASE TEACH THIS IN ALL COLLEGES AND SCHOOLS AND RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS WORLD WIDE
- Don't be impulsive. Sacrifice present for future - Industriousness: Carry out your plans. Don't waste time. Don't find it difficult to get to work. Finish what you start. Put your mind on task at hand. Don't be distracted. Be good at implementation. Focus / pay attention - Orderliness: Keeps things clean. Follows a schedule and likes routine. Careful to detail - Just because you're better at planning, it wouldn't necessarily apply that you're better at implementing - Allow disgust to guide you. Control disgust. Keep borders with your actions
Jordan. Semi educated young Male here. I wanted to pursue psychology but couldn't stomach the cost versus reward and dont think I much fit in with social science, more of a technical and tinkering guy. I have seen entire biblical and maps of meaning, and more. I listen for 8 hours a day at work. You have made me feel that I have a deeper understanding of human psychopathology than I could ever afford to receive, and I've gotten it for little to no investment. I love what you do and hold these lectures dear, thank you so much. Ps. I find myself craving this info, but also find myself in a dark place sometimes where I cannot do anything but listen to your lectures constantly, and they actually depress me a bit and put me in a bad mood sometimes even though I cant get enough of this information. It invokes something powerful. Either way, thank you, will be ordering gulag archipelago and collected works of Carl Jung as finances allow. Is there anything you recommend particularly by Nietzsche? You should upload a reading list, similar to an oprah book club, could have a powerful impact
Genomicist here, conscientiousness could be related to the HPA axis, in effect the same primordial part of the brain that makes squirrels and dogs bury food *for later.* Complex thought =/= planning ahead, this is a _far older_ system. Just guessing though, havent done research to support this.
Sounds reasonable - but it would have to be a really old system evolutionarily .... and that would beg the question why there are so many bipeds that have it to a much lesser extent than squirrels..... Is there a close relative of the squirrel in the tropics that doesn't save up food (because it is of no value under those conditions)?
Nice to see someone take an honorable stand in the issues. Makes is even better that he won't back down. "You can dislike my stance, but I ain't movin"!
I think the link between conscientiousness and depression is fascinating. Specifically in what it would say about a conscientious person’s appraisal of their own competence at a job for example. I had been depressed for awhile for multiple reasons and perhaps one cause (or effect, I’m not sure) of that depression was my own negative appraisal of how good I was at my job. Because I didn’t see myself as particularly effective at my job, I chose to work fewer hours and budget more. I put off planning my career because I didn’t feel good enough to progress in it. My friend is a counselor and one day I was describing how I was disgusted by how messy my roommate was. I told her I needed everything in order. She said that surprised her because she always saw me as much more relaxed (not conscientious). Well over time, when I started taking more responsibility and realizing I was more competent at my job than I had initially thought, I became hyper conscientious at it, basically doubling my hours and the amount of clients I was working with. Could it be that some people who exhibit signs of low consciousness are simply portraying that to the world to cover their guilt over not being as competent as they believe they should be? And once those negative thoughts are dealt with, their true conscientiousness can manifest itself?
Wow, thank you so much, Mr. Peterson, for putting up your lectures online! I wish all professors were as engaging and interesting to listen to. You are doing a fantastic job! All the best from Germany, and good luck with everything :)
Phew, what an emotional rollercoaster! I spent the first half with my hands over my mouth, full of shame and "oh, I'm so low in conscientiousness, I'll never be orderly and have a successful life! My children would die of diseases if we didn't have medicine!" Particularly embarrassing was the "but people low on orderliness and industriousness are not total drains on society, they can find ways to make themselves useful" part, where the "making people laugh" and "creativity" and "forming strong bonds" are all legit actual things I've comforted myself with. I very much feel like people appreciate me for being funny, having good ideas, and loving them and helping them get along with each other. I'm not exactly a monetary asset, though! And then in the last half: "OH. Well, at least I'm safe from that end of things..."
This information is absolutely crucial to understand right now. I see the writing on the walls of the current political landscape. There is a lot of very scary parallels
Wow after say all people online and around stupid,i found i say absolutely genius with hard work , i really appreciate this exists of this man ,even in my begging i was thinking he isn't that inttelgent
A very sad story about that guy with OCD and his dog 😢 Glad he had a happy ending with his new dog. I’ve had OCD and worked on it by forcing myself NOT to actually clean something it until it was actually dirty... but then I would feel overwhelmed and in the meantime tortured by what only I thought was a mess... we humans are pretty interesting creatures. I enjoy your lecture series. I’ve been binge watching them Day and night. Very helpful! Thank You !!
Out of all of your lectures, I think this is the most important one. Not because you are talking about Nazis, but that you firmly place the responsibility to resist these authoritarian ideologies with us regardless of whether we are left or right, and how easy it is for sane people to become insane.
I don't understand how I feel like I'm fairly knowledgeable and have been on this planet for 43 years but somehow JP can speak at 90 miles an hour, for hours all about stuff I have never heard in my lifetime. I feel somehow enlightened as if he is cracking some code!
EVERY industrious person i know, myself included, are motivated by basically fear of death, and a badly spent life. Not sure if this datapoint is useful but its an observation i find incredibly interesting.
iwtommo Evolutionary adaptation. The industrious survived the genetic bottlenecks caused by extreme famine, weather, etc. Hence, why northern europeans are more industrious. They had the harshest environment. Survived 2 ice ages.
It works. I used to be very anxious and was disgusted by filth. I later had a cleaning job in a restaurant as a potwash and cleaner. One time someone had explosive drunken diarrhea and I had to clean it up - I covered it in bleach and left it for the end of the shift to mentally build myself up to it. As I was wiping it off the toilet with a sponge and gloves, the sponge flicked and sent a filthy drop of poo to my face! I closed my eyes and it landed on my eye lid! I maintained my self control, went and washed up my face for a few minutes, then finished the job. It taught me I could handle pretty dirty things well
Yes! I was also thinking that Nazi Germany and the Soviet Revolution positioned themselves in power not only after WWI but also after the Spanish Flu which killed 50 million people.
@@kjekelle96 Indeed. Already authoritarianism has increased in our societies, both politically and socially. And it is too soon to tell how this will end up, it is not as if the increased disgust goes immediately away when the infectious disease does.
@@vicanjel Yup indeed. And the polarization seems to be increasing even more, with all the protests going on (in my country, Belgium, also). And mental health seems to me to be going down.
@@Dimitris_Half Why do you arrogantly assume that I deny all those factors when I never wrote so? That's concerning of you, but maybe you come to the conversation already assuming you know everything or that we are stupid. Assume the person you're listening to knows something you don't, it makes conversation more profitable for everyone. I think that psychological factors regarding the spread of massive plagues and how they affected world views were part of the MANY causes that lead mankind towards a dark century. Peterson also gives good explanation.
I've been formulating a theory for about three years and had a breakthrough this weekend. I wanted to do some research and thought Dr. Peterson might be a good place to start, this talk is pretty much the gold mine I was looking for. When I realized the publish date was yesterday. It made me chuckle how ideas float around and come to order.
@54:23 "The parasite prevalence/infectious diseases made people more authoritarian and that was driving the more authoritarian government." Hits too close.
You are the truth. I bow down to you. The whole lecture series is genius. You are a genius. Nominations for noble prize. You have changed my life. Your a genius. God bless you. Continue the good work. Your mind 😭😭😭 I envy you. You are the truth. It's not necessarily that I agree with you in everything but the delivery, the expectise you have. The whole thing. Top class. I wish I could have just 5minutes to pick your brain, I know it won't be enough but it's the greatness in you. The way you teach. I wish you thought all my engineering subjects. The view of the world the facts. Everything. I have endless superlatives but I think these words sum up how intrigued I am and learnt from you. You have a gift and more people should listen to you. You more the. Just a clinical psychology teacher but a philosopher and more. But you regardless of whether I agree or disagree with you. You have this thing and I want more and more and I understand everything you talk about. I can go in and on for days. Thank you. 🙌🙌🙌🙌 i bow down
I now have a few hours of JP lectures, interviews, and debates under my belt. I have heard him speak of the immeasurable Conscienciousness. Hearing about the failures of the testing and the theories he shared, my thoughts went to motivation. Most industrious and orderly people I work with seem to be motivated with Fear. It seems as though a basic part of their genetic make up. Fear of ambiguity, failure to supply basic needs such as food and housing. Overly focused on structure, a hyper need to predict outcomes. Just a thought as I pondered the subject.
By1980 calculations this years 7.5% inflation is actually 15%...AS an early retiree with substantial funds when I retired at age 50 my retirement fund is now 24 yrs later worth less than half in purchasing power. Thank goodness I saved substantial funds AND moved to a low cost country in retirement.
maybe conscientiousness is more a measure of long-term reliability. As in, no short term lab task can show you that. Anyone can focus and do a dull repetitive task for a while. But conscientious people are the people who will wake up every day, and without someone nagging them, do the task themselves for 3 hours a day, for 5 years just because they are "supposed" do it. Just a thought from listening to the "we have no clue what conscientiousness is" portion.
I think they're aware of what conscientious people are but they haven't found personality traits or leanings that can predict people's level of conscientiousness before they become evident through observation
Writing in 2021, I found it very interesting that in this lecture Dr J P pretty much warned us of the inevitability of infectious diseases & their negative consequences. Good one Doc xx
Fascinating. I wonder if Peterson is familiar with Thomas sowell who does an excellent breakdown of why the Jews and cultures like it are so easily scapegoated.
Dr. Peterson a true Intellectual. You give me lots of hope for the future of education and civilization. I would return to academia and push these boundaries together.
If I had to guess about a predictor for conscientiousness, I'd probably guess that their dopamine hit is backloaded to the completion of a task, with no real correlation towards what that task is. Something like their brains quite literally are better at delaying gratification by delaying it until the job is finished, as opposed to tasks within the job being finished.
I think he’s probably right on the part about how industrious people can’t stand inactivity. When I’m at work and there’s nothing to do, I walk around the store I work at and find little things to do. I can’t stand just standing around when I’m on the clock. I have to be moving, doing something.
I would love to see a reference to V for Vendetta in this lecture. I would also like to see his point of view on how news outlets blow diseases and such, like ebola, out of proportion.
I dont think they do it consciously, although it may be. They may be driven by similar forces to the German population. Id love to hear Dr.Petersons explanation of that phenomena. Because these types on news stories seem to be reoccurring.
Higher conscientiousness being related to less anxiety might also be because of their mindset relating to time/permanence. For example, we have all been through a bad breakup that leaves us feeling terrible and heartbroken. What do our friends always tell us? "It's hard right now but time will heal your heart". People who are lower in conscientiousness I think tend to live more immediately, in the moment, and thus have a hard time grasping that their current situation is not permanent and have an inability to look towards the future to a situation where they don't feel anxious. I think the level of permanence of a situation can greatly increase/decrease its level of anxiety. If you get a tattoo it is much less stressful than if you were kidnapped being tortured with needles because there is an amount of uncertainty about your future situation and ability to change that stressful situation.
yeah but knowing something is not permanent is also a source of anxiety if they can imagine good when everything is bad which can be relaxing, they can also imagine bad when everything is good which is stressing
I'm very high in conscientiousness. I experience less anxiety mostly because I make sure to order my life so that I wouldn't experience it. At the same time, I have felt a lot of distress during times when things haven't gone exactly how I wanted them to, and it can take me a very long time to be able deal with that.
Mr. Peterson should lock the door at the exact same time as he starts his lectures. To anyone who’s a fan of Young Sheldon will know what I mean! You just can’t be late for our Jordan. If you’re not on time, you’re not coming in!
I feel like I've gained a second degree by watching JBP's videos. God bless this man.
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Zuby!
Twitter wouldn't be the same without you, Zuby. ✌️
All the information in these lectures is infinitely more useful than the information from my English degree. Luckily, I also got a Computer Science degree, which has much greater utility.
Man I don't even notice that I am hopping from one video to the other. They are all so interesting and informative. I am learning a lot, amazing brain that guy has.
Hey Zuby! you're famous now!
"Just because you're better at planning, it wouldn't necessarily apply that you're better at implementing"
*tardy student enters room and finds seat*
aroo aroo necessarily imply?
hahaha he came in late and half stoned
Aroo aroo.....out of the box thinking dude....SMART. Good on ya. Don't think Jordan didn't see that. He's on a roll.
Teacher throws dude out and he misses out on the crucial lesson on the limbic system
Jung approves of God and His sense of synchronistic humour.
I. Can't. Stop. Watching. Dr. Peterson. Lectures.
Same here
In my holidays..
Same, its a problem now lol
Same 💉😎
Is the periods the same as claps?
Hey. Whoever's doing the camera work: good job.
That damn sure is a good job.
its a guy in a lobster costume i heard.
@@searchingforpennies i found it funny
After 3 years. Thanks again
Searching For Pennies damn patriarchy
Anybody else thinking Dr. Peterson's point is so relevant especially now that we are facing a global pandemic?
It Hits me very hard today. That revelation.
Absolutely!
Disease-caused pathogens and authoritarian governance. That's an extremely interesting finding considering the current 2020 social condition. It gets people on side with political law etc..
I was just about to come down and comment this, honestly.
"Pandemic" is a very strong word for it. Global forced quarantine is more accurate. The virus is the justification for mass shutdowns by many governments who are overreaching in their authority, but the below 1.5M worldwide deaths do not justify this stacked against the world population nearing 8 billion. In the US alone if 1.5M were dead it would not justify this stacked against the just below 400M population even. It is a very dark sign I would say. I am quite sure JBP would agree.
I'll probably spend the rest of my life digesting the content of these lectures.
Jarosław Cholewiński you could do worse things.😎
Agreed
nice thing is big 5 is so rock solid that it applies to every other areas of study, so get googling
Life well spent
That's how I spend my holidays!
Dr Peterson, I know there's almost no chance you're reading this but I just want to thank you for these. Your videos are shaping my Jung mind daily. Couldn't help the pun, sorry.
Theodore Mahlunge i am responsibly sure that he goes through comment section.... but then again one can't be too sure
Fun pun, buddy! Couldn't help the pun, too!
This is exactly the kind of pun I was a-Freud of.
You've found your Neitzsche
Quite Frankl-y, these puns are getting out of hand.
I feel like this lecture is more important than ever right now.
👌
Yeah brother
I was thinking the exact same thing. Scary
Someone saw my comment and missed the point so hard they turned it into content
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Outline of this lecture:
0:00 Conservatives and liberals. Filtering mechanisms.
3:24 You never get a benefit without a price.
4:38 Conscientiousness is beneficial only on condition that the future is predictable
5:15 Hyperinflation. Some history of pre-WWII Germany.
7:18 Industriousness.
8:21 Correlation between intelligence and conscientiousness is 0.
10:30 Industrious people may be aversive to inactivity.
11:01 Conscientiousness predicts military performance.
11:50 Orderliness
12:36 Problems with modeling conscientiousness
14:10 Conscientiousness correlates negatively with neuroticism.
16:10 Conscientiousness is related with depression and guilt.
18:50 More disadvantages of conscientiousness.
20:15 Orderliness
20:58 Disgust sensitivity.
22:42 Behavioural immune system.
23:30 Tangent: Antibiotic resistance.
25:54 Back to behavioural immune system.
32:20 OCD. Man with a dog...
37:22 Anorexia
40:49 Perfectionism
42:55 Divorce predictor - rolling eyes
43:48 PC authoritarianism
44:29 Back to behavioural immune system.
46:53 Two core dimensions of conservative ideology:
resistance to change and tolerance of inequality.
50:13 Preference for order and tradition is associated with orderliness and politeness
(aspect of agreeableness) as well as lower openness.
Egalitarianism is associated with compassion (aspect of agreeableness).
50:39 Conservatism - extension of immune system to society
52:40 What's disgusting is destroyed
53:11 Parasite stress hypothesis
56:58 Pre-Columbian history of Americas
59:52 Hitler
1:00:58 Film: "Triumph of the Will"
1:01:40 Nazism - "Disease of civilization"
1:03:18 Hitler was interested in art, but he divided it into classes of
approved and not approved
1:05:45 Pamphlet "Jew as a world parasite"
1:12:18 Nazism was embodied in a sense
1:13:07 Propaganda film against Jews
Cant copy this goldmine with my phone
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You legend
omg, TY!! bless you man
Best comment.
Jordan Peterson is in the actual process of changing the world for the better. I can't imagine the satisfaction that comes with that realisation.
I think it's dreadful. And so does he.
My god ! This man is a real teacher and he deserves good and productive students in his class.
I have always loathed going to class and actively paying attention in school or doing homework, yet I find myself stopping metallica videos and choosing to watch these lectures. Lately, I've been thinking about taking notes so I can retain more of its content, but I also have no problem re-watching these lectures for the same purpose.
Trust me, man, taking notes is soooo worth it. I've recently read a great book by one Mortimer J. Adler - 'How to Speak, How to Listen' (a sequel of sorts to one of his greatest pieces - 'How to Read Great Books'). He stresses the importance of taking notes, and it's so true! I haven't been reading much in past few years, and I had trouble concentrating on reading, but since I've started taking notes, I've had more success both with reading and with listening! Just imagine this - first you'd take notes for every lecture as it goes. You then should write another set of notes, this time as an analysis of the lecture. Eventually you'd have enough material to cross-reference it many, many times over, improving your understanding of the material dramatically. And every time you add more data to your base of knowledge, you can again deepen your understanding of the subject.
Careful, though) You never know just how deep into the depths of your very 'wetware' this rabbit hole goes.
Jesus Christ, this guy needs to be in some sort of Hall of Fame. Perhaps one class just for himself. Jordan Peterson rocks!
Henrique Bucher He will be honored and respected for decades to come. Even more so when his era has passed.
Amén !
This is one of the most moving lectures I've ever had the privilege to witness. Frighteningly insightful.
I (don't even have to) wonder what Freud would think of your comment.
I didn't get through it last night, hopefully tonight. Dr Peterson's lectures are amazing.
16:12 i sure got guilt!
25:42 "one of the things you can be virtually certain of is that whatever you are worried about happening terribly in the future, it will be something else that you're not worrying about that will actually cause the problem" is a terrifying statement lmao
35:20 hearing that guy's story is really something. Honestly, I could have been one of those people who reported him on "animal cruelty" or some stuff that i don't know enough of the situation to make a move in the first place. Mind opener. Thanks for sharing that. Keeps me in check when hearing stories like it.
I'm watching this for the third time now to get my head around it completely. Your intro is no understatement.
probably the most fascinating lecture by Prof. Peterson I've seen
What an Intro!!!
"Today we're going to be talking about some very gruesome things..."
BRING IT ON
I watch these lectures more diligently than the ones I'm supposed to.
I think this is Jordan's most essential lecture.
YES. I agree 💯 This is ESSENTIAL. IMO this is the topic he should focus all energy on. This info is needed NOW
It’s INCREDIBLE how valuable and spot on this is right now all those years after recording.
4 Years ago!!!!
this Session is still very VERY relevant today… How does one store this much knowledge!!🔥
C'mon just one more hit. Lecture 21 is all I need promise.
I totally feel that lol
Yesss!
This is the fourth 2017 Dr Jordan Peterson lecture I've watched this evening. They've all been outstanding, packed with information and insight and always delivered at pace. The University of Toronto and Harvard University lectures are a treasure trove. Thanks Dr Peterson for putting them all on TH-cam for us to enjoy. Always fascinating, thought-provoking and stimulating.
I'm fairly disgust-sensitive and conservatively minded, and when I saw the pictures of the unbelievable order that Hitler managed to create a thought like "I wish things were like this" had emerged in me and felt a bit of relief. It surprised me what an impact it had on me. It's rather chilling to think that I might have been a Nazi if I were born in the right place at the right time with my mix of traits...
A year on, I'm wondering what your take is on the pandemic measures.
@@thistles Well, I haven't been following other countries' regulations really, my own problems are a handful to begin with, but social isolation, quarantine and online school definitely takes a toll on everyone. To have little to no restrictions would have been the best at the begginning of the spreading of the pandemic when the virus was weaker and it's effects less severe, thus a large portion of the population could have gained a sort of "natural immunity". At this point however stricter measures may be justifiable. Nevertheless I'm not against constraints related to unvaccination since the vaccine really does seem to lessen symptoms and reduce mortality rates. These are my thoughts on the topic in a nutshell
@@grreguss Thank you for indulging my curiosity =)
It's funny that my opinion is pretty much the opposite of yours despite also being disgust sensitive.
@@thistles Sure thing! Also, since we're talking about only one trait, there's very little chance that our views on an already divisive topic would coincide, right?
@@grreguss I think that probably depends on the topic. Some traits are more relevant to some topics. I can see compassion overriding everything else when talking about welfare, for example. I would expect something similar when talking about disgust and disease, but apparently not!
It's remarkable that a lecture series of such extraordinary quality is free on TH-cam like this. Thank you Dr. P
I can’t watch a single lecture without learning something new and amazing. Thank you, Jordan Peterson!
That's pretty much a definition of a lecture, roughly speaking.
@@JohnDoe-jz7bj In all intents and purposes...
"Resistance to change reflects the extent to which people wish to maintain the status quo, while tolerance of inequality reflects the acceptance of an unequal distribution of resources and opportunities within society."
Well isn't that self-explanatory? 🤦🏼♀️
Other than that, great lecture! 👏☺️
I found some part of me developing disgust for those Jews shown in the film and I could not believe myself. There really is heaven AND hell within all of us.
Fascinating correlation between infectious disease and totalitarianism. Thank you for making this lecture public, Dr. Peterson.
Can't wait to sort myself out.
*bad joke*
I'll sort myself out...
You lost Rachel to Ross, Joey. Go home, you lost.
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Start by cleaning your bedroom. I have faith in you
Oot.
First hour of the lecture: Being high in conscientiousness rocks! I'm nigh-superhuman compared to these messy, lazy blobs of flesh surrounding me.
Last half-hour: My god... no.... that... can't be me... that mustn't be me...
I feel better about being a lazy blob now.
You are literally Hitler.
It's a good thing, according to Jung, to face one's own "shadow".
SAME. TIL I'm just like Hitler, high in Openness, high in Orderliness, highish in Neuroticism, low in Agreeableness and we have similar tastes.
Also: As a Newyorker and having consequently interacted with tons of Jews, I'm shook at how accurate that Nazi video was about their culture, namely how they reserve morality for the in-group and not for the, ehh, "hosts."
Seeing that film with my temperament, I can feel myself being potentially persuaded--esp. if I had lost all my money to inflation, lost my husband to WW,1 and my sister to Spanish influenza.
Terrifying. Terrifying. Terrifying.
Pretty much me, except for the neuroticism. Dunno if Hitler was introverted, but he vibes like that to me. Extraversion and neuroticism would appear to be the traits where I'm most distant from him (being high in extraversion and low in neuroticism).
@ 19:50 Could I have heard this 20 years ago? My goodness. How can a person I never met, who is speaking at a place I have never been to, hit the nail on the head so accurately.
I didn't expect it, but I think Jordan Peterson just convinced me to buy only grass fed beef. Because the way he explained the corn and cow and antibiotic thing actually got to me.
One of the best lectures so far Doc, we can't begin to thank you enough for sharing your wisdom!
1:01:40
How surreal it is to see JBP give such a from-the-top explanation of the Spanish Flu a couple of years before COVID
(The time stamp is a good jumping in point, however he doesn’t mention the flu for about another 10 seconds or so)
I have been following some of the research on disgust sensitivity- but the way Dr. Peterson put this all together, really was one of the most insightful lectures, ever. Like a book. Thank you so much for such useful information.
He lectures the way it should be done - because he is genuinely fascinated by the subject and because he really cares to convey his excitement to his students. No wonder he annoys the self-righteous PC crowd: to them, authenticity and passion are dangerous!
7:24 industriousness
14:10 stability encourages hard work, sacrifice, and thinking about the future, the more stable you feel your environment is, the easier it is to work
16:49 I can’t enjoy relaxation if I feel like I’m not moving forward towards my goals (especially if I feel like I’m moving backwards from my goal)
Thank u for putting in effort. Wouldn't it help ppl more, to hear it all rather?
Watched this while eating, messing with the phone and my head jumping from ramification to ramification of what was being said. Finally 1h30min about why I cant be unbusy with something.. Thank you
o my god...peterson is amazing he has studied history so much it is fabulous and thank god he is a genius and powerful enough to bring his studies to us via u tube....PLEASE TEACH THIS IN ALL COLLEGES AND SCHOOLS AND RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS WORLD WIDE
This is an especially relevant lecture to listen to during a global pandemic.
The authoritarian individual personalities are being forged.
From the present time now , Spring of 2020 and the facts the world has to face, we sure can tell that precious lecture was taking place in the past!
- Don't be impulsive. Sacrifice present for future
- Industriousness: Carry out your plans. Don't waste time. Don't find it difficult to get to work. Finish what you start. Put your mind on task at hand. Don't be distracted. Be good at implementation. Focus / pay attention
- Orderliness: Keeps things clean. Follows a schedule and likes routine. Careful to detail
- Just because you're better at planning, it wouldn't necessarily apply that you're better at implementing
- Allow disgust to guide you. Control disgust. Keep borders with your actions
Jordan. Semi educated young Male here. I wanted to pursue psychology but couldn't stomach the cost versus reward and dont think I much fit in with social science, more of a technical and tinkering guy. I have seen entire biblical and maps of meaning, and more. I listen for 8 hours a day at work. You have made me feel that I have a deeper understanding of human psychopathology than I could ever afford to receive, and I've gotten it for little to no investment. I love what you do and hold these lectures dear, thank you so much.
Ps. I find myself craving this info, but also find myself in a dark place sometimes where I cannot do anything but listen to your lectures constantly, and they actually depress me a bit and put me in a bad mood sometimes even though I cant get enough of this information. It invokes something powerful. Either way, thank you, will be ordering gulag archipelago and collected works of Carl Jung as finances allow. Is there anything you recommend particularly by Nietzsche? You should upload a reading list, similar to an oprah book club, could have a powerful impact
www.jordanbpeterson.com/great-books/
Genomicist here, conscientiousness could be related to the HPA axis, in effect the same primordial part of the brain that makes squirrels and dogs bury food *for later.* Complex thought =/= planning ahead, this is a _far older_ system. Just guessing though, havent done research to support this.
Sounds reasonable - but it would have to be a really old system evolutionarily .... and that would beg the question why there are so many bipeds that have it to a much lesser extent than squirrels..... Is there a close relative of the squirrel in the tropics that doesn't save up food (because it is of no value under those conditions)?
This lecture... man. The topics and content of this lecture gave me an insight into myself that I won't soon forget.
Re. overcoming disgust.
"Is sex dirty?"
"Only if it's done right."
Woody Allen.
Nice to see someone take an honorable stand in the issues. Makes is even better that he won't back down. "You can dislike my stance, but I ain't movin"!
I think the link between conscientiousness and depression is fascinating. Specifically in what it would say about a conscientious person’s appraisal of their own competence at a job for example. I had been depressed for awhile for multiple reasons and perhaps one cause (or effect, I’m not sure) of that depression was my own negative appraisal of how good I was at my job. Because I didn’t see myself as particularly effective at my job, I chose to work fewer hours and budget more. I put off planning my career because I didn’t feel good enough to progress in it. My friend is a counselor and one day I was describing how I was disgusted by how messy my roommate was. I told her I needed everything in order. She said that surprised her because she always saw me as much more relaxed (not conscientious). Well over time, when I started taking more responsibility and realizing I was more competent at my job than I had initially thought, I became hyper conscientious at it, basically doubling my hours and the amount of clients I was working with. Could it be that some people who exhibit signs of low consciousness are simply portraying that to the world to cover their guilt over not being as competent as they believe they should be? And once those negative thoughts are dealt with, their true conscientiousness can manifest itself?
Wow, thank you so much, Mr. Peterson, for putting up your lectures online! I wish all professors were as engaging and interesting to listen to. You are doing a fantastic job! All the best from Germany, and good luck with everything :)
Joe Rogan brought me here. Subscribed. Thanks for the brain food!
experiment54 Powerful
Thank you Joe Rogan
Indeed
Phew, what an emotional rollercoaster!
I spent the first half with my hands over my mouth, full of shame and "oh, I'm so low in conscientiousness, I'll never be orderly and have a successful life! My children would die of diseases if we didn't have medicine!"
Particularly embarrassing was the "but people low on orderliness and industriousness are not total drains on society, they can find ways to make themselves useful" part, where the "making people laugh" and "creativity" and "forming strong bonds" are all legit actual things I've comforted myself with. I very much feel like people appreciate me for being funny, having good ideas, and loving them and helping them get along with each other. I'm not exactly a monetary asset, though!
And then in the last half: "OH. Well, at least I'm safe from that end of things..."
This information is absolutely crucial to understand right now. I see the writing on the walls of the current political landscape. There is a lot of very scary parallels
Ty Dr. Peterson- please keep these lectures for free. Very important lectures, and they helped in my early 20s
I AM DISGUSTED BY MY OWN ORDERLINESS
Me too. En efecto, your orderliness makes me ill and angry.
Sorting Myself Out: Love it! See my remark above about Einstein!
Username checks out, kinda.
Sorting Myself Out i am amuzed by your creativity
My gag reflex is totally chill as I wallow in my own body fluids.
Wow after say all people online and around stupid,i found i say absolutely genius with hard work , i really appreciate this exists of this man ,even in my begging i was thinking he isn't that inttelgent
These kids in this class, showing up late, playing on their phones......they have no idea the knowledge they are being given.
A very sad story about that guy with OCD and his dog 😢 Glad he had a happy ending with his new dog. I’ve had OCD and worked on it by forcing myself NOT to actually clean something it until it was actually dirty... but then I would feel overwhelmed and in the meantime tortured by what only I thought was a mess... we humans are pretty interesting creatures. I enjoy your lecture series. I’ve been binge watching them Day and night. Very helpful! Thank You !!
"...a disease of civilization"
That's a hell of a phrase
Out of all of your lectures, I think this is the most important one. Not because you are talking about Nazis, but that you firmly place the responsibility to resist these authoritarian ideologies with us regardless of whether we are left or right, and how easy it is for sane people to become insane.
Wow, 3,500 views in four hours. Peterson is huge. 14,000 by the end of the first day. 25,000 by the next day. 42,000 in six days.
I don't understand how I feel like I'm fairly knowledgeable and have been on this planet for 43 years but somehow JP can speak at 90 miles an hour, for hours all about stuff I have never heard in my lifetime. I feel somehow enlightened as if he is cracking some code!
EVERY industrious person i know, myself included, are motivated by basically fear of death, and a badly spent life. Not sure if this datapoint is useful but its an observation i find incredibly interesting.
iwtommo conscientious grief
You have not mastered your fear, youngling.
iwtommo
Evolutionary adaptation. The industrious survived the genetic bottlenecks caused by extreme famine, weather, etc. Hence, why northern europeans are more industrious. They had the harshest environment. Survived 2 ice ages.
Perhaps, but would i want to considering how useful it is?
"Only a man without an appreciation for time is content to waste it"
Why would you not want to master something that is useful?
Who is still watching..? Amazing lectures. At 58 I thought I was reasonably wise... 😅 Until I came across Jordan Peterson.
Rugrats addressed OCD in an episode one time. Chuckie learned about germs and developed OCD. They treated him by exposing him to garbage.
Nugrat1 damn that’s brilliant. I love rugrats as a kid.
*takes note for future exposure to OCD friends* 😂
It works. I used to be very anxious and was disgusted by filth. I later had a cleaning job in a restaurant as a potwash and cleaner. One time someone had explosive drunken diarrhea and I had to clean it up - I covered it in bleach and left it for the end of the shift to mentally build myself up to it. As I was wiping it off the toilet with a sponge and gloves, the sponge flicked and sent a filthy drop of poo to my face! I closed my eyes and it landed on my eye lid!
I maintained my self control, went and washed up my face for a few minutes, then finished the job. It taught me I could handle pretty dirty things well
Viewing this with the hindsight of COVID is surreal. He accurately predicted everything.
He didn't make any predictions.
This one is particularly relevant with Covid going on now....
Yes! I was also thinking that Nazi Germany and the Soviet Revolution positioned themselves in power not only after WWI but also after the Spanish Flu which killed 50 million people.
@@vicanjel Yes the misery and danger of contamination tilted these societies to authoritarianism, and I see that happening now too.
@@kjekelle96 Indeed. Already authoritarianism has increased in our societies, both politically and socially. And it is too soon to tell how this will end up, it is not as if the increased disgust goes immediately away when the infectious disease does.
@@vicanjel Yup indeed. And the polarization seems to be increasing even more, with all the protests going on (in my country, Belgium, also). And mental health seems to me to be going down.
@@Dimitris_Half Why do you arrogantly assume that I deny all those factors when I never wrote so?
That's concerning of you, but maybe you come to the conversation already assuming you know everything or that we are stupid. Assume the person you're listening to knows something you don't, it makes conversation more profitable for everyone.
I think that psychological factors regarding the spread of massive plagues and how they affected world views were part of the MANY causes that lead mankind towards a dark century. Peterson also gives good explanation.
His inspired lectures deserve applause and standing ovations.
hand gestures are on point
I've been formulating a theory for about three years and had a breakthrough this weekend. I wanted to do some research and thought Dr. Peterson might be a good place to start, this talk is pretty much the gold mine I was looking for. When I realized the publish date was yesterday. It made me chuckle how ideas float around and come to order.
@54:23 "The parasite prevalence/infectious diseases made people more authoritarian and that was driving the more authoritarian government."
Hits too close.
You are the truth. I bow down to you. The whole lecture series is genius. You are a genius. Nominations for noble prize. You have changed my life. Your a genius. God bless you. Continue the good work. Your mind 😭😭😭 I envy you. You are the truth. It's not necessarily that I agree with you in everything but the delivery, the expectise you have. The whole thing. Top class. I wish I could have just 5minutes to pick your brain, I know it won't be enough but it's the greatness in you. The way you teach. I wish you thought all my engineering subjects. The view of the world the facts. Everything. I have endless superlatives but I think these words sum up how intrigued I am and learnt from you. You have a gift and more people should listen to you. You more the. Just a clinical psychology teacher but a philosopher and more. But you regardless of whether I agree or disagree with you. You have this thing and I want more and more and I understand everything you talk about. I can go in and on for days. Thank you. 🙌🙌🙌🙌 i bow down
An absolutely brilliant lecture, well done!
I love u doctor Peterson!!!!!!!
U hv no idea how much u hv helped me!
I hope 🤞 kids listen to you
Notification squad! Sort yourself oot buccos!
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Got to the video before my notification went off
Phil Cowan - CHEERS MATE
What is the bucko thing all about?
Obviously you need to sort yourself out.
I now have a few hours of JP lectures, interviews, and debates under my belt. I have heard him speak of the immeasurable Conscienciousness. Hearing about the failures of the testing and the theories he shared, my thoughts went to motivation. Most industrious and orderly people I work with seem to be motivated with Fear. It seems as though a basic part of their genetic make up. Fear of ambiguity, failure to supply basic needs such as food and housing. Overly focused on structure, a hyper need to predict outcomes. Just a thought as I pondered the subject.
"If you see a SSSSSssssSSS-stick!.."
😂😂😂
His nervous system was already warning him that his hypothetical stick might be a hissing snake!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
It was subconscious genius he did that 👏
The best kind of youtube video addiction: watching Jordan Peterson's lectures.
I love cleaning my room while learning about orderliness.
Listening to this post COVID is wild...
1:26:18 petersons vague disgust response to a student leaving on time
I find it weird students wonder in and out of his class. That didn't happen at my university.
By1980 calculations this years 7.5% inflation is actually 15%...AS an early retiree with substantial funds when I retired at age 50 my retirement fund is now 24 yrs later worth less than half in purchasing power. Thank goodness I saved substantial funds AND moved to a low cost country in retirement.
so badly want to go to one of his lectures/speeches.. ANYTHING.
Can listen to this man speak all day.
maybe conscientiousness is more a measure of long-term reliability. As in, no short term lab task can show you that. Anyone can focus and do a dull repetitive task for a while. But conscientious people are the people who will wake up every day, and without someone nagging them, do the task themselves for 3 hours a day, for 5 years just because they are "supposed" do it. Just a thought from listening to the "we have no clue what conscientiousness is" portion.
I think they're aware of what conscientious people are but they haven't found personality traits or leanings that can predict people's level of conscientiousness before they become evident through observation
@@hermanf1986 yeah exactly there’s no animal model or brain model that predicts conscientiousness
Writing in 2021, I found it very interesting that in this lecture Dr J P pretty much warned us of the inevitability of infectious diseases & their negative consequences. Good one Doc xx
I'm obviously referring to COVID-19
Fascinating. I wonder if Peterson is familiar with Thomas sowell who does an excellent breakdown of why the Jews and cultures like it are so easily scapegoated.
ImNotMoose The middle man culture
I thought of the middle man as discussed by Sowell, too, while watching this.
Dr. Peterson a true Intellectual. You give me lots of hope for the future of education and civilization. I would return to academia and push these boundaries together.
If I had to guess about a predictor for conscientiousness, I'd probably guess that their dopamine hit is backloaded to the completion of a task, with no real correlation towards what that task is. Something like their brains quite literally are better at delaying gratification by delaying it until the job is finished, as opposed to tasks within the job being finished.
Always educational. I have immense respect for his wisdom, knowledge, and honesty.
53:38
We’ve all been experiencing this study in real time for the past two years…for better or for worse
I think he’s probably right on the part about how industrious people can’t stand inactivity. When I’m at work and there’s nothing to do, I walk around the store I work at and find little things to do. I can’t stand just standing around when I’m on the clock. I have to be moving, doing something.
@@breakmanradio2530 I don't know about DLPA but I sure know that Ivermectin will get you moving when you're stuck with Covid.
I would love to see a reference to V for Vendetta in this lecture. I would also like to see his point of view on how news outlets blow diseases and such, like ebola, out of proportion.
I dont think they do it consciously, although it may be. They may be driven by similar forces to the German population. Id love to hear Dr.Petersons explanation of that phenomena. Because these types on news stories seem to be reoccurring.
Just going to bump this for modern context
I love it when a Dr Peterson lecture i haven't heard auto loads. 🤙
Higher conscientiousness being related to less anxiety might also be because of their mindset relating to time/permanence. For example, we have all been through a bad breakup that leaves us feeling terrible and heartbroken. What do our friends always tell us? "It's hard right now but time will heal your heart". People who are lower in conscientiousness I think tend to live more immediately, in the moment, and thus have a hard time grasping that their current situation is not permanent and have an inability to look towards the future to a situation where they don't feel anxious. I think the level of permanence of a situation can greatly increase/decrease its level of anxiety. If you get a tattoo it is much less stressful than if you were kidnapped being tortured with needles because there is an amount of uncertainty about your future situation and ability to change that stressful situation.
yeah but knowing something is not permanent is also a source of anxiety
if they can imagine good when everything is bad which can be relaxing, they can also imagine bad when everything is good which is stressing
I'm very high in conscientiousness. I experience less anxiety mostly because I make sure to order my life so that I wouldn't experience it. At the same time, I have felt a lot of distress during times when things haven't gone exactly how I wanted them to, and it can take me a very long time to be able deal with that.
I need these lectures. They are like a cool glass of water.
The story about the guy with OCD hit me right in the feels :(
Sounds like it would make a good movie plot
Mr. Peterson should lock the door at the exact same time as he starts his lectures. To anyone who’s a fan of Young Sheldon will know what I mean!
You just can’t be late for our Jordan.
If you’re not on time, you’re not coming in!
ＲＯＵＧＨＬＹ ＳＰＥＡＫＩＮＧ， ＢＵＣＫＯ！
Watching this 20th April 2020. From about 53.30 for the next few minutes it seems extremely prescient.