Defending Banjo Tooie the Bigger and DARKER Sequel
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2024
- This is my attempt at Defending Banjo Tooie which is a Bigger and Darker Sequel compared to Kazooie. Why is it starting to get this notoriety? It had good reviews when it first released... This will be a brief history and addressing the complaints I hear against this game. This game is definitely an epic N64 Adventure with a much darker tone then it's previous game Banjo-Kazooie!
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CANARY MARY CAN GO SUCK AN EGG! Preferably a Grenade one...
Let’s not stop there. We can also shove a clockwork up the other way as well.
@@bingo9499 I like your thinking
That is funny I'm not going to lie😂😂😂😂
You broke her out of that cage. You unleashed that monster into the world upon us all. You get what you get.
@@ExaltedTilemaker
Banjo-Tooie is unfairly overhated. It seems that people began to dislike the game only after certain online critiques focused on its few flaws, neglecting its strengths. Unfortunately, this trend has become typical since the advent of the Internet.
Yes and I am annoyed with it! This game is great!
Banjo tooie is my favorite that's my favorite one
@@jiggylookback Same for DK 64.
@@mdrstudios7067 yep. Made a video on that one too!
@@jiggylookback I know. I saw the vid. I think. Say did you made a defending Donkey Kong Country 3 video?
Oh. It's hated, is it? You can turn Kazooie into a dragon and it's hated, is it? Alright.
Fair! Haha
My favorite feature from the game honestly
And you can shoot grenades but ya know it’s hated lol fyi I love tooie so much
@@bobboberson12555 It was kinda annoying in multiplayer tbh. But the proximity eggs… 😂😂
Honestly I didn’t know this game even was disliked. I had a blast with it as a kid.
It's kinda mixed, but lately online it has been getting a bad rep.
Where has it been getting bad rep?
This video is the first time I heard it mentioned.
@@sampicano I’ve heard a from a few places now.
@@sampicano look up Banjo Tooie on TH-cam videos popping up on how it’s awful and bad :/ online forums have started having people pop in. Everything I put at the beginning are things I’ve found
Same here. Hell I’ve been playing it still over the past few weeks lmfao it’s one of my all time favorite games.
Tooie was the best thing 4 year old me got to experience. To me, Kazooie is like playing with those big megablocks. Tooie on the other hand is more mature, more refined. It's the smaller lego pieces. Less straightforward, but there is so much more depth. More to be done. Each world had to be not only fully explored, but also memorized. The moment you make the connection between two worlds and get rewarded is so much more satisfying.
Nowadays, I feel like people prefer the one time visit, full clear and move on to another stage that Kazooie provides. Moving the Tooie, the completionist might find it frustrating. But maybe back then, having all the time in the world to get lost in Tooie is what made me appreciate it more. And today, that kind of time isn't available to everyone.
If Tooie is Lego then Nuts N Bolts is Knex
I was absolutely shocked to hear that the opinions on Tooie were mixed. I've never been so excited for a sequel and also felt like it had lived up to all my expectations before or since, except maybe for pokemon god and silver.
I will say it's not entirely true that people don't complain about Ocarina of Time, that game's reputation has had a target painted on it's back ever since 2006 because fans of other games in the series have sour grapes that it gets more praise than their own fave. But I agree that Tooie's worlds don't feel so empty to me, it helps that enemies respawn. When I was younger, and still even to this day, I would sometimes just play around in the level not really aiming to accomplish much, just see ow far I could glide with Kazooie from the highest point in the level and other such things, the improved controls from BK really made the game fun to just move around in. And I love the minigames!
I know the team working on Banjo hacking tools is kind of fractured at the moment but I really hope they can find a way to resolve their differences or figure out a way to hack Banjo Tooie with a new team, because the thought of romhacks on the scale of Jiggies of Time but with all of Tooie's improved movement and extra moves makes me drool.
AGREED 100% I’m waiting for Tooie gameplay in mods! Love that idea! And I also spent time just making my own goals like gliding and exploring! A big part of the charm!
We don't have good gamers, anymore. Most of them have shitty tastes and only care about trash like Fortnite, pfft!
Tooie is probably my fav sequel of all time. It's made for the fans of the first one, instead of new players.
I don't want just another game like the first one that I would be able to speedrun in a handful of hours.
I feel like if people get their wish, I won't ever get a good sequel anymore.
This is a game I can get lost in, and I love that.
Edit: spelling
I love getting lost in these worlds and exploring. That is the best part!
Same here it’s one of the best sequels in video games along with Kingdom Hearts 2 and Monkey Island 2
Fully agree with the "You were supposed to actually explore and find things yourself" Part.
The easy access to Walktroughs and guides made it way harder to experience that unique thrill of playground rumours that you can investigate and find out if there was anything true to them. That's also a somewhat recent sentiment, you can find in some modern indie games. The way, games like Tunic or Deltarune are hiding their best kept secrets is pretty much a direct attempt to revive that feeling.
Another great video Btw.
I love Banjo Tooie.... did that back then and still do it now.
Thanks so much for watching! I’m glad there are others who appreciate it! We need to spread the love to the new generations and let them experience it too :)
True I 100% both games without any help whatsoever
I love Banjo-Kazooie... but it's also a bit too segmented for my tastes.
But Tooie? Ah man, I love Tooie! It feels like a massive, interconnected world! The atmosphere is better too, thanks in no small part to the incredible soundtrack. Trekking across the Isle 'O Hags, sneaking through the ducts in Grunty Industries, stepping into HailFire Peaks for the first time, walking into Jiggywiggy's Temple... there's this large, sprawling atmosphere and _feel_ to Tooie. It has a game feel that Kazooie doesn't have.
Even the animation in Tooie is better! I love how Banjo's backpack bounces as he moves in Tooie, whereas in Kazooie it's static. It gives Banjo a level of dynamism that makes him that much more fun to control.
As tightly designed as Kazooie is... it also feels cut off from the larger scope the world of Banjo offers. For me, Tooie edges the win for me between the two.
Same. The worlds being connected makes a huge difference for me. I love Gruntilda's lair but having this giant overworld with different environments feels right.
I never really understood how the backtracking in Banjo-Tooie was a bad thing. In Banjo-Kazooie, you had these creatively-designed worlds with unique characters and mechanics, and yet you only really have to explore them once before they become obsolete (aside from a single Jiggy in Freezeezy Peak) Banjo-Tooie gives you the incentive to explore new areas that were once inaccessible and even connected to different worlds, which I feel makes the game much more immersive and satisfying.
My favorite example is murdering George Ice Cube because it gives you access to a flight pad and also gets you a Jiggy for cooling down the pool in JRL. Murder is good
George was a really funny one for sure
One of the best games on the 64, CERTAINLY one of the most underrated. Off the top of my head, it has the most impressive atmosphere of any game on the console next to Ocarina of Time, which is hilarious coming from such a sarcastic and goofy series. Tooie and Bad Fur Day are so impressive in their ambition. I can't think of anyone else than Rare who took better advantage of the hardware, and put so much effort in where it definitely wasn't expected
Yeah it is. Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask have such cool vibes.
True
Agree with everything 💪
@@jiggylookback yeah, meant to say next to both of the 64 zeldas! majora is actually my favorite
Banjo Tooie... More polished and detailed graphics + accurate shadows and dynamic lighting (something incredibly beautiful and impressive for the N64), better mobility AND animations, cool new moves and mechanics like character separation and first person shooting, more fun and immersive mini-games, epic new bosses for each level, a better developed story and cutscenes, a darker setting that fits great with the cartoony style, more charming dialogue with elevated humor, bigger and more detailed worlds with more things to do, new charismatic and memorable characters, a jukebox that lets you listen to every theme in the game, and a soundtrack that's as good or better than the first game.
Even outside of the main content, you can find amazing additions in the menu, such as a multiplayer mode that allows you to play mini-games with friends and family, you can replay all the cinematics and mini-games and even re-fight all the bosses in the game, it also has a menu of options to lower or raise the volume, change the audio type from Mono, Stereo or Surround, options to adjust the screen and resolution and lastly, the generous option to change the language of the game. To say that this is a good sequel is an understatement, it is an AMAZING game and an AMAZING sequel that surpassed the original.
All of that! Heck yeah!
The way I see it:
Banjo Kazooie was a lighting in a bottle type szenario. You got a bunch of highly talented, highly passionate and eager Britains who took a WHOLE YEAR extra to polish a game which they literally called "the Mario 64 killer." Banjo Tooie did get just a fraction of the attention from Rare and due to hardware limitations, it was quite difficult to eleveate the platformer genre further. Which is why they implemented all these Metroidvania-like worlds with barely any in-game help to navigate them. This Breath of the Wild principle to have the player see multiple points of interests wherever they are in a level, was gone in BT. Instead we got mole den like levels with bare holes in the wall that lead to random places with no hints to remember the layouts of these places. Good luck exploring those. I remember as a kid as it took me close to an hour to get my first actual jiggy in BT, which was that one mini game where you have to protect some flower fields from flies.
Oh man. The exploration was my favorite part. I agree it could have used a bit more polish to assist with some of the issues, but hey I love it still!
The boss battles were the best! It was always my favorite thing about the game. Not to mention, you get to replay boss battles in the main menu and I love that!
The boss battles were sooo good! I feel I don’t say that much about games
Grunty was brutal. Easily one of the hardest boss fights in gaming history!
@@ricardocantoral7672 seriously! And it made you utilize all the moves you’ve learned through the game and when she’s beat, I always feel so so good about it lol
Banjo-Tooie is my favorite game ever and I'm glad to see it getting love and appreciation after so many people seem to dunk on it for a while. For me, I love 3D collect-a-thon platformers and Metroidvania style games and Tooie feels like an amalgamation of those genres.
I know a lot of people think the first game flows better because in Tooie the jiggies and other collectables take a lot longer to get and you have to backtrack. I actually like that more. I often use this analogy since I'm someone who hunted down every North American N64 game for my personal collection:
Banjo-Kazooie feels like the first half of building up a game collection. The jiggies/games are abundant, sometimes tricky to get but you'll find a lot wherever you go.
Banjo-Tooie is like finishing off the second half of a game collection. The jiggies/games take more time to get, you'll definitely have to go back to places you've already been to complete it but its a lot more satisfying and rewarding when you finally get what you were looking for.
They're both fun experiences in their own way but the latter in both situations contain the more satisfying results in my opinion. On top of that, Tooie has more moves, fun minigames, multi-player, more characters, deeper lore on existing characters and a world that feels much more alive and interconnected.
Also, I know the X-box version fixes this but I really hate how in the N64 version of Banjo-Kazooie you lose all your musical notes when you die or exit a level. I'll take the occasional frame rate issues on the N64 version of Tooie over that flaw in Kazooie any day.
Wasnt expecting to write so much lol. Great analysis! I greatly enjoyed your Donkey Kong 64 defense too (which I also 100% agree with)! Be definitely sticking around for more.
Gamedude would agree
@@mikesantos8554I would hope he does!
Well thanks so much for watching! Definitely have more to come!
The interconnected worlds of Tooie are fantastic. As a kid I had way more fun with this game than Kazooie, and nowadays I do think it's about how far lost you could get in the journeys for those Jiggies and Cheato pages. I used the official strategy guidebook, and the maps with all the many icons on them were beautiful. A far cry from the idea of being "empty."
Dragon Kazooie rules. The new moves rule. The boss battles rule, even if Chillie Billie and Chilly Willy are a bit redundant.
You love Terrydactyland, which gets critiqued for being too sprawling (even though it's not that different from Click Clock Wood).
My favorite is Grunty Industries, which people also hate on. It's just amazing how thorough they were with Tooie, and how much love was put into every room, every character, Grant Kirkhope's music, etc.
The N64 version is definitely the definitive way to play it. I never felt like the Xbox port got the stick sensitivity right, especially for aiming eggs. It makes bosses like Lord Woo Fak Fak feel more tedious.
Still my favorite game ever. The only flaw is totally the 2nd apperance of Canary Mary. Thank you for your video.
Thanks for watching! I should have highlighted Dragon Kazooie cause it’s cool haha imagine Threeie where we find baby dragons and they recognize Kazooie as their mom and she recounts being a dragon in Hailfire lol implications but it could be funny
Glad to be part of the Banjo Tooie gang and love to see people besides me prefer it. Great defense video
Thank you so much! Appreciate a fellow Tooie lover and for watching my video
THANK YOU! You hit so much of what I could never put into words and why I ALSO consider Banjo-Tooie my favorite N64 game. Finally doing a 100% run of this game a few years ago made me stay in touch with how much I love the scope and scale of it. Oh, and Canary Mary, do us all a favor, go down as a hero and fall on a grenade egg for us, it'll make up for Cloud Cuckooland's hair-pulling debacle.
Intro to a Threeie game should be Canary Mary doing just that lol
The larger scope and interconnected worlds was everything I wanted as a kid. And that train man, oh that train.
When I was young the darker tone made it feel like such an evolution. I was a bit older and the game was a bit more mature. It worked so well.
Often in a level you have to run around as Banjo-Kazooie, Banjo alone, Kazooie alone, Mumbo, and your world specific transformation. I got annoyed with having to pass the same areas multiple times in different forms. A lot of things are character specific, so you must hike back and forth to the split up pad, wigwam, or skull just so you can go back to trigger what you are trying to do.
Another way the game disappoints is with Grunty's sisters. I was expecting to have some boss battles with them, but they end up just getting smashed by Grunty in a quiz.
Very true. That is why I think being able to split up whenever would really help. And you know what I never thought of that....yeah her sisters needed more. Or maybe Brentilda comes in then Mumbo and Humba back her up and they magic fight as we take on Grunty.
I agree with the complaint about Grunty's sisters. I wish they were given something to do.
Yes Mumbo as playable character was just boring. Would habe been cool if he got extra missions and has his own moveset with magic. But just running to platforms wasn‘t it. Also you need to do so much for a jiggy. It doesn‘t feel rewarding. They should have add more jiggys per world (like 15) so you have more motivation.
For example, hatching the eggs in terryland was cool, but then one stupid babyterry is too big and u need to carry him with banjo. That is just unnecessary…
My problem with Tooie is some jiggys feel like unnecessary padding, I understand not every Jiggy needs to be collected to finish the game, but for us completionists Banjo Tooie isn’t all sunshine and rainbows, where as Banjo-Kazooie , IMO, is a complete joy to 100%. The first thing that comes to mind is the T-Rex transformation, having to find the glowbo thing, run to humba, give it to her, find another glowbo, run to mumbo, give it to mumbo, run mumbo to humba, enlarge the tent, run back to mumbos hut, run back with banjo, transform into the R-rex, run the T-rex over to a gate and use the roar button. Those are literally the steps to collect 1 single jiggy. It’s so much tedious running and back tracking and the game as many examples of that, but ultimately the good out weighs the bad if you’re just going for a casual play thru where the goal is to simply defeat Grunty and not 100% the game it’s a rather excellent game. I put DK64 in the same bracket as Tooie, if you just want to collect 100 golden bananas and beat K.Rool, I think DK64 is a great game, but if you want to collect all 200 golden bananas it’s one of the most tedious video game experiences ever 😂
I liked the video a lot. I'm glad you brought up the boss fights, having a giant enemy in every world that you stumble on I think is really really cool. Even if a fair amount of them are just "shoot the giant glowing spot in first person". I find the boss fights are either really cool (Weldar specifically being a highlight for me, Targetzan for being the best controlling egg shooting one I think, Mingy Jongo for shock factor) or pretty inoffensive considering none of the fights took very long.
I wish you brought up the world building a bit more and how the game drops hints that all worlds are connected. I hope you don't mind me referencing a different youtube channel, but "Framework" I felt had a good analysis of it called "Banjo Tooie’s Puzzle Piece World". Basically a lot of collectibles have some sort of visual storytelling nearby to help hint where you need to go. Learning about that gave me a new appreciation for the game since as a kid I just wandered and collected whatever was in my cone of vision.
All that being said. The general length of time it takes to do anything is really really annoying haha. I enjoyed playing it as a kid, but even back then I noticed I went back to Kazooie far more often. It just scratches the right itch for me so well. It just feels like everything in Tooie takes longer. I don't really mind the backtracking I just wish it was quicker. I wish egg nests just gave me a bit of everything so I didn't have to sit around waiting for clockwork kazooie eggs. You mention the sick dinosaur jiggy, I think the bumper car minigame highlights the issue as well. Even if you know what you're doing. You get the van to open the door to Mumbo's, you go back to get Banjo, you go get Mumbo, activate the machine outside the bumper car minigame, leave to go get Banjo, go to Humba Wumba, turn into a van, go back to deposit a coin, go get Banjo again, go back to the minigame, then play three rounds of it to get one jiggy. It's brutal.
Anyway, that's a lot of complaining from me. TH-cam recommended me your video and this is the first one I've seen. You have a new subscriber, I liked it a lot and will be checking out more.
Well thank you I’m really glad you found me and watched my video! I’ve got plenty more haha appreciate the comment.
You’re so right some jiggies are a little much to collect. I still love this game tho :)
People only started hating more and more once people's shrinking attention spans couldn't give them the patience to complete this game
I like the second game better actually, so get it together, internet!
For a long time I was never aware that Tooie had garnered it's own set of detractors. I would still say claiming it has haters is a bit of an over-exaggeration, it still seems to be generally loved, though in modern tirmes, it's vocal critics are more vocal.
Overall, I absolutely loved the game, and felt it did a really good job expanding on the building blocks Kazooie started. Aside form the infamous Canary Mary Cloud Cuckooland Jiggy/Cheat Page, something that always annoyed me is that we never actually got to properly fight either Mingella or Blobbelda (and no, that Tower of Tragedy game show doesn't count), similar to how we never fought Klungo in Kazooie (though Tooie rectified that).
I've always envisioned that when fighting them, we actually get to fight them individually via Split-up: Banjo fights Blobbelda and Kazooie fights Mingella. And the moves they've learned individually from Jamjars are key to victory (as well as Kazooie's variable egg attacks in her case). And then after when Banjo and Kazooie return to each other, we fight them both at once, or perhaps they fuse together to become much stronger.
One of the best sequels ever made! It's one of the very few titles I know that doesn't take away the power-ups you got from the previous game. It even expands your move set by giving you new abilities.
Yeah I really dig that aspect as well!
I am so happy to finally find not just another person appreciative of my favourite n64 game, but you even like my favourite level Terrydactyland. Scaling that mountain was so enjoyable as a kid, I felt so awesome when I got to the top and saw there was ANOTHER SECTION with the stomping plains. Such a cool experience. They threw everything they had at that game and it really shows. I love and appreciate both Banjo games for very different reasons. I love the tight platforming segments in the latter half of kazooie, but I LOVE the sprawling interconnected worlds of Tooie. It felt big to me as a kid, massive, unconquerable. But that just made me more excited to get stuck in!
100% yes!
Great video! Tooie is my favorite game of all time. I'm actually playing through it again right now since it's semester break and I have time haha
No idea how many times I've beaten it by now, but it's tons of fun every single time, again and again, it's just such an amazing game, I love it! ❤
Heck yeah! Love this game!
Played both this and Kazooie clear through several times with my grandma. I was 6 or 7 and we shared a save file. When we'd go visit she'd catch me up on what she had got done since last time and then we'd play. Good times
That’s the best :)
This is a considerable honor to have partaken in this video-even with just participating in discussing this game on Twitter.
One thing you forgot to mention when discussing the XBLA iteration is how some instruments (most notably, the therumin) are not properly tuned during the transition period to the other hardware.
I look forward to your future works! This is awesome, and you have earned yourself a subscriber!
Thank you so much! And funny you say that I did mention that Rare made the cutscenes with the N64 lag in mind, but I didn't expand upon what that meant. That is what I meant. It is cool!
I have never ever understood the hate for Tooie. Tooie is the perfect example of how to make a sequel. Similar, but expanded in all the ways that could've been expanded upon without changing the fundamentals of the game. I love Banjo Kazooie AND Banjo Tooie, but damn dude, I love Tooie just a little bit more
I hated it the first time I played it, due to the large confusing maps and backtracking. But on my second replay I fell in love with it. Definitely not as iconic as the first game but it’s a really good example of expanding and building from the first game, some of it I’d argue is done better than the first.
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hey Jiggylookback! thank you so much for this awesome video! i am a Tooie Defender too! this was my most anticipated game of all time. i bought every magazine back in the day to get as much info as i can get! to this day i love this game with such a passion! Banjo Kazooie is a super magical game and i love every bit of it, but tooie is just more. more Banjo! i love every little detail it adds to the lore. i love skeleton Gruntilda! i love the isle o Hags. i love the fact that every world is connected and i will always prefer the Banjo Games over any Zelda title. you mentioned it. they control wonderful in tooie, you never have to stop. solo kazooie is one of the best characters i have ever controlled in my life. i love the atmosphere in this game and i prefer the soundtrack too, Witchy World and Grunty Industries are some of Kirkhopes best work. i love the FPS sections and we played the hell out of that multiplayer when we were younger. i still wish there were more FPS Sections. i love the Bosses, everyone of them has so much personality! playing Banjo-Tooie is always some kind of celebration! thank you for work!
Heck yeah! I also agree Kazooie as a seperate character feels really good! The speed is just awesome and if you like that I highly recommend trying super kiwi 64. It’s basically like a Kazooie indie platformer. It’s not long and just fun!
When the game came out, everybody I knew was absolutely astounded by how the worlds interconnected . Everyone loved it, it was clever, well done, and really put how much bigger the game was into perspective. Then we got every other platformer doing it all the time in ways that got progressively more stale. Love B2E
One of my favorites! Amazing soundtrack too, among other things. Great video
Thanks so much for watching! Really appreciate that :)
Amazing intro. Of course I love Tooie! How can you not!?
I remember playing banjo tooie as a kid but it was a Japanese version so it was hard to do so and tower de quiz being pure RNG to beat
This will forever be my comfort game, right next to Majora's Mask. Greatest 3D platformer ever made, imo. It may not be objectively a near-perfect game, but the sense of adventure, the music, sound effects, charming characters, dark humor and situations, etc... Everything is amazing, and I hate when people want to claim that them getting a spot in Smash Bros. was mostly just due to people's nostalgia.
To me, this franchise cemented itself as one of the best videogame franchises ever made with the first 2 games alone, and Banjo-Tooie's contribution to that is huge.
To have such a massive following like Banjo and really only a handful of games to its name I think says a lot. People really only talk about the first two, but it’s enough for them to love it forever. For me it’s a big comfort game as well :)
10:08 The only time that auto captions actually spells Kazooie correctly, every other time it says "Kazui"
LMAO that’s actually funny, good find
I always saw Banjo-Tooie as an upgrade to Banjo-Kazooie. I will say that I actually liked Banjo-Kazooie more, since it does have more the feel of a platformer, but I didn't see much trouble with it's sequel. The only thing that I believe was poorly executed was making interconnected worlds easy to explore, making backtracking not only unintuitive, but also tedious and could easily get lost by the fact that some collectibles were meant to be accessed from other areas.
All in all, I liked both games and each one offers it's own charm to it.
For sure I can see that!
My siblings and I actually owned Banjo-Tooie as one of our 1st games for the N64 after DK64. It was years later that we finally owned a copy of Banjo Kazooie. I remember enjoying it, but we always like Tooie over the 1st game.
Yeah same. It’s just Kazooie but more!
Critics: The worlds are too big!
How often are you using the warp pads?
Critics: The what?
I’m replaying this now and though Glitter Gultch Mine’s YEEHAWS got annoying, Witchyworld is cake if you use the warps
I agree with the yeehaws lol almost feels embedded in the soundtrack
I share the exact thoughts. I'll never forget how hyped I was for this game as a kid, studying the guidebook months ahead, and hoping to get it on Christmas 2000, which I luckily did. Still my favorite comfort game. So much to see and do in that game.
Yes it’s a major comfort game for me too! Just wandering in Jinjo village to that happy music always changes my mood!
You are doing exactly what this franchise needs! These videos are awesome!
Thanks so much Man! Really appreciate that :) I’m trying my best to
Hailfire Peaks is one of my all-time favorite video game themes, and it's even better when you combine the two realms together, making it one complete track! All that aside, Banjo-Tooie's one of my favorite games ever. I remember when I first got the game I played it religiously, trying to get every Jiggy (including she-who-must-not-be-named's), and I played the game to death, even more than Ocarina of Time and Mario 64. And honestly I don't understand the hate, but at the end of the day I think it's more-or-less a handful of people. The overwhelming majority of gamers who have played this game loved it. Again, my best friend and I played through the game. My only problems with the game would be, again, she-who-must-not-be-named and the Hag 1 boss fight, which I have to admit it took me four years to figure out that I needed to hatch a Clockwork Egg into the tank!
I spent hours as a kid just exploring and finding everything. That was part of why I love it so much!
Tooie is my favorite game of all time. They meant it when they said they took BK and just amped it up. I get why people like BK more but I remember that as a kid, I would go back and play it and just sit there thinking "it'd be cool if I could shoot grenades or use Kazooie as a missle underwater." Tooie has just always been better to me.
Dude you are an absolute machine. I can't believe that you are turning out videos this fast, and at such a high quality! If you keep this up you will be huge on TH-cam for sure
Thank you for noticing. Lol once I had that DK64 video take off a bit I told my wife I NEED TO WORK REALLY HARD AND PUT VIDEOS OUT. I literally spent all Friday night and Saturday editing the Tooie video (and a bit on Sunday) as well as trying to play through Nuts and Bolts. I’m just super thankful they are being well received and hope they take off even more so I can make this my career! I LOVE playing and chatting about these games!
Your comment made me feel good. So thank you so much!
Banjo Tooie is still one of my favorite games from my childhood to this day. I loved being able to explore the larger worlds and expanded range of abilities with Banjo and Kazooie that the sequel had to offer for hours while trying to hunt down all the collectibles in each level. But I hope if we get a Banjo Kazooie remake it'll lead to a remake of Banjo Tooie that'll really show how good this game can be that can improve upon the limitations the original game had while adding some new mechanics that weren't in the original.
Yep I'm with you. It would be incredible!
You know, I never looked at as an adventure game first then a platformer and it makes so much sense and has honestly shifted my view on the game. I wouldn't say I disliked the game but the first one is my favorite because of the confined worlds.
It makes sense and I do really enjoy the interconnectivity of the second, its really neat and fun. It's just hard for me to narrow it down to a singular *thing* that makes me like the first over the second. Awesome vid and thanks for the perspective. Much love from a Banjo fan
Thanks so much! Glad I could help spread some positivity for Tooie!
I think most not saying you but most would consider Kazooie better because of its replay ability. It’s much easier to get in and get through the worlds in Kazooie then explore and do quests in Tooie.The smaller more condensed worlds feel good to hop in and run around where tooies being larger force you to explore which some may not prefer.
Great video! Wish you'd spoken about Tooie for far longer!
I’ve got a video reviewing the whole game it’s like 45 minutes lol
@@jiggylookback yeah I watched that too today. Thank you for both… what you want to consider doing… is using the cheat to open all worlds at once, and use the cheat to double banjo’s speed…. I’ve read that’s how the game was intended 😎 that way the backtracking can all be done strategically at once and the sheer size of the worlds doesn’t slow the movement so much.
@@AustinRock-hl4ev yeah I’ve done the Banjo Speed cheat and I agree it really does make the game even better
@@jiggylookback one of the designers once said the speed cheat was supposed to be in the game, and that Jamjars would have taught you both the sneaking speed and the run speed, but the platforming became too buggy with the run speed, so they removed it from the game and just made the sneak speed something that can be done naturally…
@@AustinRock-hl4ev ahhh interesting. I found the speed to dramatically improve traversal. Feels good! Idk how it affected platforming maybe made it easier? I don’t see that as a bad thing especially if you have a world or 2 under your belt
Same as with DK64, I loved this game back then. I never saw the bigger levels and backtracking as that much of an issue. The only time I really got annoyed was the mission to help the cold, starving cavemen. That specific mission at least "felt" like it took too long for just 1 jiggy.
Heck yeah! I have a video on that too! I agree!
@@jiggylookback saw that one too! 👍
sabreman is okay imo, the dino family jiggy is terrible though
Tooie’s opening did absolutely horrify me as a kid 😂. See, Bottles doesn’t just perish in a flash, you see him limping out in agony before falling over and giving up the ghost. I also found skeleton Grunty and zombie Jingaling pretty freaky too. See I wasn’t great at games back then, so imagine my shock and relief DECADES later when I find out you end up undoing Grunty’s actions entirely. Nah I thought Bottles was done as dinner and Jingaling was doomed to hear that eerie Jinjo Village remix forever. Saving them was like punching a childhood scar in the face. Extremely satisfying
I thought it was funny they don’t tell his wife and she’s mad he’s not home lol
@@jiggylookbackIt’s funny now as an adult but as a kid I’m like he’s DEEEEEEAD I’m sorry Goggles
“Bottles.”
I used to hate Canary Mary until I realized there was a trick to beating her in Cloud Cuckooland. All you have to do is let her stay slightly ahead of you until you reach the top of the course. Then as soon as you're going down the sharp drop at the end, towards the finish line, mash the button like crazy and you're good.
Yeah the rubber banding. It takes a bit to learn and get it right. But it’s possible!
Keep up the awesome vids mate 👌
I will do my best!
Great video 👍🏻 Tooie/Kazooie are my favorite games forever. I remember how mind blowing it was to play this game as a kid and I still love it just as much now.
Samesies bro! Saw you in the comments of videos I watched for research bashing Tooie haha
@@jiggylookback 😂
Correction- Jamjars is Bottle's *brother*. I know they look like different species of mole but whatever.
Wait what did I say? Cousin? I can’t remember, I must have written it down wrong because I knew that lol thanks for the correction
@@jiggylookback you said "cousin" (which would maybe make more sense?) but the clip you used cuts away before he says "he's my brother".
@@cambrianratcatcher LMAO I write these scripts and then do the voice over and then edit for hours and I never noticed. The second I read this I’m like I said cousin didn’t I? Wow 😂
I’m currently playing through Tooie again and while the backtracking can be really tedious, it’s overall such a joy to play and a great sequel!
It really is
I've always found Tooie to be even more nostalgic than the first Banjo-Kazooie game, partly because I watched some of the gameplay footage that played on a VHS tape for Toy Story 2 when I was 5 (before I became invested in playing Nintendo games), so I associated the Glitter Gulch Mine level with Woody's Roundup. I also really appreciated the levels' environments and the additional moves the first game lacked.
Come on it’s time to play! (Woodys roundup song)
I feel like it’s vilified due to people having more collective nostalgia for Banjo-Kazooie, and people just need random reasons to complain.
The game is “darker” barely imo, and it’s darker but not edgier. There’s still a lot of personality and color present.
Backtracking is a thing I totally understand, and it does get egregious at times. But the inter connectivity felt like I was more immersed that this was a larger island. Characters weren’t just stuck in one single zone.
Did you like my comment that yeah it’s a darker then Kazooie but we’re still talking about a talking bear fighting a witch lol
The only things I had some issue with, gruntilda stopped talking in rhymes and that damn bird final race for a cheato page which I still haven't cleared, rip fingers. Love the adventure and music
Heck yeah haha
Gone back to play both multitudes of times as I didn't own the Xbox version until RareReplay and it's one of my all-time favorite games! For the longest time I proffered Tooie. Maybe still, I go back and forth, BK is easier to replay but Tooie world i was more obsessed with as a child. I'd definitely say outside of absolutely soley the cutscenes, Xbox's many times updated version is definitely the superior way to play this game. It berids all the issues I have outside of some convoluted Jiggies lol. Defo played more N64 but for the how smooth it is both with controls and frames plus the awesome Jiggy checklist feature, its the version I'd suggest to younger folks without an N64 amd to watch the intro cutscene on YT lol. Great video bro! 👏
Thanks so much for watching! If you can play these games on PC (game pass) then hook up an N64 controller (NSO one) that would be the dream. Not sure how viable that is tho!
I think one aspect that critics miss is that they are usually either replaying the game or looking at a walkthrough in order to find out what to do. The back tracking can be tedious but when you play it the first time without knowing anything that’s going to happen, and this is not nostalgia lenses, the game feels less like tedious backtracking and more like free experimentation to see what can happen. You explore the world and try to figure things out in a very trial and error way and there is something so satisfying like say when you shoot a grenade at something from a mission before you had grenades, just to see if it will work, and it does. There is a “playing with a chemistry set” feel to it if you are going into it completely new or if you’ve forgotten most of the puzzles.
YES. I can’t remember if I said it in this video…but in either this or Defending DK the sense of childlike wonder and exploration is part of the point!
I love it!
There are 2 unexplained and unintuitive mechanics in the Canary Mary fight: 1) the rubber-band AI and 2) you go faster downhill. So if you just go slow until the top of the mountain at the very end then go as fast as you can, you'll win 75% of the time.
Right right! Thats how I beat it. But I remember as a kid just being so frustrated trying to get the last cheato page to 100% the game
The kazooie sequel is what literally made my childhood. This may sound dumb, but the story helped me understand death and the darkness behind murder, and how harmful it is to others beside the victim, and learned that at a very young age. Id say this game helped me mature and made me love more complex platform games. Still my favorite type of game to this day ❤❤❤❤ i love banjo kazooie ❤❤❤
Def touched a lot of more adult topics so I can see that.
This is great. I wonder if we'll see one about Nuts & Bolts, one of the best games I have ever played, held back purely by the reviewers who aren't smart or creative enough to enjoy it rather than any aspect of the game itself.
I’m not doing a straight up defending Nuts and Bolts atm…but I am working on a Retrospective and review that will paint it in a positive light. It’s similar but a little different.
I absolutely agree.
I love both games. They're part of my childhood. I remember watching my sister and dad playing it as a kid. I didn't play as much back then because I wasn't as good as them but I practiced later. But as a kid I loved watching everything. Fun times.
It is one of those games that's just as fun to watch cause you get so invested in the world. Love it!
8:07, hidden message? DOD and GEM DO ME
More like a play on Dodge them for the bumper cars game
Dude jus keep makin banjo videos i love your perspective on it
Well I will have a Nuts and Bolts one coming next! But I still have to finish the game. It’s taking me a while!
Banjo-Tooie is by far my favourite of the two. It feels more like a puzzle game than Kazooie which is why I love it so much. My one gripe with the game is that a lot of the moves are just one-offs. For example the big t-rex is only used to press one button and that's it. It's the coolest transformation in the game but got so little use. The wading boots from the first game are only required once, and the glide move is unlocked so late in the game that most of the jiggies you need it for can be cheesed using clockwork eggs. Also I wish you could separate banjo and kazooie at any time like you said.
Yeah I hear you on all counts!
Oooh been waiting for this!!
Well I hope you dig it!
@@jiggylookback the only problem is that it's too short!! I need a three hour long video essay next time ;) lol
@@jiggylookback great video
@@LazyGardenGamer bahaha 3 hours is a lot of editing. This took me probably like 8-10 hours of editing I’d say. So multiply that XD I’d never get stuff out in a timely fashion
@@LazyGardenGamer thank you 😎
Fantastic video! Tooie needs more love!!!
THANK YOU! I LOVE YOUR REMAKE VIDEOS! I’m sure you can find me in the comments haha. The threeie concept was especially interesting!
@@jiggylookback Appreciate it glad you enjoy them! I'm currently working on a follow up to that threeie concept which is much more wild so keep an eye out... Glad I found your channel, looking forward to seeing more vides you produce, you cover some great topics!!
@projectdreamstudio dude yes! Can’t wait to see! I look forward to it! Thanks for watching my own stuff :)
Literally agree with everything in this video. Even that last Canary Mary pun. Serious, that last race is brutal...
I remember a few years ago when one of my friends was praising BK, but bashing BT, and I just thought he was crazy and dumb. However, online over the years it is apparent; most of the gaming community likes BK over BT. That's ok, but BT is an amazing game, and imo better than BK.
Theyre both grade A games, but BK is like a 93%, while BT is probably around a 97%.
Nice video!
100% thanks so much for watching!
Haha, I totally agree, I LOVE Banjo Tooie, I have an N64 and I recently got Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie, I played them both, and to be honest, I loved Tooie MUCH more than Kazooie, firstly, that the worlds are BIGGER and interconnected, I love that, jiggies are more complex to obtain and I like that. (Except Canarie Marie's jiggie in the last world, that jiggie sucks) but all the others, very good and cool, of all my favorite worlds, mine is Terrydactyland, I don't know why people say that that world feels empty, for me it wasn't like that, and regarding the backtracking, hmm, it doesn't bother me much, it's fun, maybe it could have turned out a little better, but for me, it's not a big deal.
I agree with this! I also love tooie!
I have fond memories of coming home from school and just wandering around the world of Tooie. Even after I completed the game. I loved Kazooie, but I was enamored with the large worlds and interconnectedness of Tooie as a kid.
I did the same. Please take me back
Banjo-Tooie is the only sequel were you carry over you old move set
I also love Tooie. Mainly because of the worlds being bigger and more complex, it makes the first game look like a tutorial. At the same time my biggest problem with the game is that some of the worlds are just too confusing. I'm mainly looking at you Terrydacytland and Grunty's Factory.
Sure I can see that tho I think Grunty Industries is wayyyyy worst then Terrydactyland in that regard
I really do love Banjo-Tooie, and hell, I'm gonna be honest and say I love Nuts & Bolts too (I plan on checking out your retrospective on it next). Tooie really does do a lot of things great or even better than the first; I will say that I wish notes were still individual collectibles - maybe like 70 plain, then three bunches of 10? idk. The tone is an interesting topic to me as well, since I think both excel at what they're meant to do
Now, back to praying that Banjo-Tooie is added to NSO soon. I own it on Xbox 360, not to mention... other methods... but it would be cool to see
I’d love to see it on NSO. We need it! Especially for online play
On topic of backtracking: I think the most problems are if you need to do a specific quest in one level to get a quest in a later level. This is often rather cryptic and I did not understand these without looking them up online
Just recently found your channel. As someone who grew up in the early 2000's with games like Banjo Tooie, DK64, Ocarina of Time & Super Mario 64, I love this era of gaming. Even though Rare platformer reviews are a dime a dozen on TH-cam, hearing you defend games like Banjo Tooie & DK64 while being entertaining and well thought out. Keep up the good work!
I will give you one piece of friendly advice as I want your channel to grow; I recommend getting better quality footage of the games you play. Don't get me wrong, the old CRT blurry footage of the N64 is nostalgic, but using an HDMI adapter or Emulator to bump up the quality would be a nice touch. Just my thoughts.
Sure makes sense.
I capture these directly from my Nintendo 64 so I get the full experience hardware flaws and all. I will say my setup has improved since I recorded the Tooie footage but I still record the 64.
When the Analogue 3d comes out I’m going to pick it up and hopefully that’ll make things crystal clear!
Definitely something I’ll keep in mind! Thanks for watching and adding some valued feedback!
@@jiggylookback Happy to do so! I look forward to your success.
@@Chiller31916 thanks. I really appreciate your kind words! Gotta Conker theory video coming out this week then should have a Nuts and Bolts retrospective next week. Gonna be a blast haha
Last time I played these games on the xbox (early 2021) I much preferred Kazooie to Tooie cause I was looking for a collectathon game and you framing tooie as an adventure reminded me why I preferred Tooie when I was a kid. I still think I prefer Kazooie now but Tooie will always have a special place in my heart. But I wanted to give my two cents on the major complaints of the game.
1. The darker atmosphere was never a problem for me. It was distinctly different than Kazooie on purpose. Ik they added some depth because Kazooie had little drive to the story while this one compels you step into the world with it's start.
2. The backtracking is one I'm on the fence about. I see both sides but I'm going to lean to the side that says it helps the game feel interconnected and like on big journey vs it feeling like random worlds. I think it does it a little too much but usually the backtracking is rewarding. It might be a little annoying but the gratification is always there.
3. The frames were never bad for me when I was a kid. I kinda took the frame drops and lag as the game trying to convey how big the world was. That it took a lot of time to get from point a to point b. That this is an adventure with a capital A. But just play the rerelease if that's the biggest issue for you. But I do agree that the 64 controller is the best way to play the game. It's made an impact on me when I play games nowdays that I don't really mind framedrops that much unless it really gets in the way of the game. It kinda makes me shocked when I see frames drop and I see people act like one dropped frame means the game is total trash and the game devs are awful. Idk... gamers are kinda mean sometimes.
4. the minigames are fine. The only bad one is the one with the canary the second time.
5. Large Empty worlds is kinda true. I do think that if you're looking for stuff to collect and not objectives like in zelda, then yeah, it'll feel that way but they aren't made with that in mind. I love the worlds but they can feel a bit like lolllygagging. It works better for a kid and is kinda annoying as an adult.
6. All the game mechanics are really smooth and are super fun to use but I will also say that's probably why the open worlds can feel too big. The game provides a really fluid move set and fun mechanics but doesn't always have a way to use it. You're stuck trecking along sometimes. And the framerate can always make this feel even more frustrating for those who don't like dips in framerates. So the game being fluid is like a double edged sword in a way but of course is a positive vs if they didn't improve it.
Yeah for sure. I think Kazooie has easier replayability the way it’s structured. But Tooie is far from a bad game!
I was only about 4-5 years old when Donkey Kong 64 and Banjo Tooie originally came out, and I adored them both. I didn't play the first Banjo game until much later, and while I had a ton of fun with it as well, I felt like it was missing something important: atmosphere and world-building. It had a much smaller scale, no scary bosses, and lacked the mysterious, darker tone of the adventures I had grown up with.
Comparing Tooie and Banjo-Kazooie really is like comparing Ocarina of Time and Super Mario 64. They both excel at what they set out to do, it's just that one feels like a huge adventure, while the other feels more like a simple collection of levels in a small hub world. Which is fine --- Super Mario 64 is actually my favorite N64 game because it feels more replayable --- but a true adventure does necessitate some degree of backtracking through a bigger world.
The Isle O' Hags as well as DK Isles are outstanding hub worlds in that they feel like a tangible interconnected space. I will never forget finding the entrance to Witchyworld and exploring it for the first time. That may be my favorite zone in any 3D platformer ever. I can't even bring myself to call it a mere level, because of how immersive it is. Grant Kirkhope's music was key in capturing that sense of wonder and adventure, and the cutscenes setting up the villain in DK64 and Tooie helped establish that dark tone.
I think overall, if I had to pick between DK64 and Tooie, I would choose DK64, as I'm not a fan of losing my whole platforming moveset through Wumba transformations, Mumbo gameplay and splitting up Banjo and Kazooie. But both games are very close to my heart.
Agreed! Tho I would end up picking Tooie myself it’s a pretty close race. I love the wonder and exploration! Well said!
Played Kazooie for the first time last year and I was obsessed! I beat 100% and couldn’t wait to try Tooie right after. I wish I agreed with you but I can’t bring myself to even beat the first Mayan level. I picked it back up the other day but I just can’t get into it. Also soooo much talking.
Whhaaaaatttttttt man you gotta get further than that!
Man I love Tooie. I don’t mind the extra walking around necessary because the music, atmosphere, and characters are just so damn good
They really are
I have a very weird experience with Banjo Tooie, as a kid I got Banjo tooie without ever playing Banjo Kazooie, when I finally heard ab Banjo Kazooie I didnt like it as much (the main reason being I sucked at the game and kept game overing so I never got enough notes to make it past bubblegloop swamp) but I also remember being dissapointed because I was like "this is just the same game but with less stuff, I only have one egg type, I cant split up, not every world has a boss" now that im older though I can see why people like Kazooie better, I like that in Kazooie I can complete an entire world fairly quick. Both the games were amazing, Banjo Tooie is still my all time favorite game and I will pray for the rest of the years I live that Banjo Threeie will happen
Yeah that’s awesome. Always interesting to hear people who start with Tooie vs Kazooie
I never grew up with kazooie, but tooie. Once visiting kazooie as an adult I can't play it longer than 15 minutes before wanting to slap tooie in my 64 instead. Soundtrack is better, controls better, the dark atmosphere makes it easier to play at a later age over kazooie. I never wanted to beat tooie, and wont. It's such a big game I would get lost as a kid and always find something to do or explore. The boss fights and revisit from main hub were a huge plus for me as a kid. Isle of hags is the best track in game soundtrack history.
I loved exploring
Not only was the N64 framerate choppy, but my copy would sometimes freeze on occasion, and yet, in spite of all that, I still liked the game enough to play through to the end. It helps greatly how the world is interconnected, so backtracking was never a problem for me. Warp pads are frequent, and all clearly labeled, so you have a good idea of which one takes you where.
You know you've done good when something that should be a source of intense frustration is made more of an inconvenience.
Yeah exactly. I much prefer the warping system in Tooie over DK64 due to the clearly labeled areas. Much easier then remembering color coded numbers
This is legit one of my favorite games ever, and yes, I like it over Kazooie, though both are GOATed. I like how much bigger the world is and the challenges it has to offer. Is every thing a banger in it, not entirely? However, the entire experience feels like a grand adventure and I love how the game requires you to become familiar with every part of the world to complete it in its entirety. You do not see many games do that, and I think that's freakin' awesome!
Also, yeah, Canary Mary owes me a hand still. It broke because of her. XD
Yeah exactly! 👍🏻 it’s a grand adventure!
I wasn't even aware it was considered a bad game, first I'm hearing of this. We were just happy to have a sequel without having to wait until the next gen (or just not having one at all) like a lot of other N64 IPs.
It’s an online sentiment that keeps growing, even just as of two weeks ago a video popped up on Why Tooie is Awful.
Dude ur channel is so amazing
Well thank you so much! I work super hard on it and trying to keep improving and growing! Appreciate that!
@@jiggylookback you’re videos r exactly the kind of things I think about almost to a scary degree lmao there’s not one video that isn’t amazing on here!! I sing for a group called chemical youth. It’s taken awhile but I’m just starting to see the progress. If you keep making masterpieces and keep that genuine humor in you have a bright future! We just must always continue to work as long as we enjoy it! So glad I found ur channel and have a kickass day dude !!!
Thank you so much! I really appreciate your kind words! You keep at it too! It’s like I always say…I don’t quit and I don’t run and I WILL BE HOKAGE! BELIEVE IT!
@@jiggylookback LETS FKNNN GOOOOOOO NARUTOOOO!!!
@@christianoneal380 lol I quote it all the time 😂
Can't wait for defending nuts and bolts!
LOL
Im playing through Tooie on the n64 for the first time right now (I just unlocked Cauldron Keep so Im nearing the end) and I am absolutely loving the game. Ive made a sort of self imposed challenge to not look up any sort of guide for the game and the sense of exploration and wonder in Banjo-Tooie is unmatched. I thought BK was incredible but somehow Tooie has improved on almost every single aspect. I love the backtracking and the interconnected worlds. I love all the new moves from Jam Jars. I love the enormous amount of things to collect. And maybe Im weird for this but the low frame rate doesn't bother me just because im so immersed in the world.
Long story short, I love Banjo-Tooie
Exactly! That low framerate doesn't become an issue after a bit. So weird to explain. I am with you!
Never played it, hopefully i will finally be able to play it soon
Oh man you’re in for a treat! It’s a gem with a lot of charm! Def let me know your thoughts when you do!
Good review! Yeah, this game does get way too much hate. I remember getting Tooie as a kid and I did enjoy it. Yes, it definitely has a different vibe than Kazooie, but all in all I still had fun. I actually prefer the dialogue in Tooie as they did dial up a lot of the charm found in Kazooie. The game definitely looked amazing for an N64 game (even without the help of the Expansion Pak, no less).
The game is a lot longer and more expansive, but I didn't mind it. Granted, I remember some parts of the game being frustrating and/or tedious, but I liked it enough to 100% the game twice as a kid. I might actually replay it but I dread Canary Mary's races in Cloud Cuckooland! I just wish Kazooie and Tooie got full remasters like the original Crash trilogy and Spyro games (maybe tone down Canary Mary?)
Yeah they need proper remasters like that!
Canary Mary should be nerfed.
It's so good to see someone defend Tooie for once. It gets so much unfair criticism nowadays, and I feel like it's extremely misunderstood. People come into this game expecting the same thing as Kazooie, and that's just not what it is at all. It's way better than what the internet would tell you, and it's also one of my favourite games, if not my favourite game ever. (Tied with Galaxy 2)
Yeah for sure. I can’t believe how much crap it’s been getting. If it comes on my feed it probably comes on others. All I want to be is a positive space and let new players who may not have tried it to give it a chance and have fun!
I love Tooie. Lost and confused as kid to overcoming how vast and enjoying the expanse it feels familiar then as it does now revisiting.
Something special about that.
I played Tooie before the first game and it is an improvement imho. Tooies worlds feel much better and the music also is much more memorable. I love backtracking it gives you a reason to go back to these great worlds. Also a reason why i loved DK64. Also Mulitplayer was great in Tooie. I loved playing mp together with my siblings and friends.
The multiplayer was great! I loved playing that with friends!
Saying Banjo Tooie is worse than Banjo-Kazooie is like saying the Godfather part 2 is worse than part 1.
These games got me through some rough childhood moments. Forever grateful they both exist and are great.
I agree! Love these old Rare titles on the 64! Love the 64 in fact!
Canary mary would definitely make me break out a turbo controller
I just mastered the rubber banding myself but it took a while