This is a breath of fresh air. Straightforward, detailed, and apparently independent and fair assessment of what the pros and cons are of these shells are.
Thanks for the feedback, that's exactly what we're shooting for, a straightforward assessment of the best shells out there both positive and negative so you the buyers can make an educated purchase. Read the full written review here: www.backcountryskiingcanada.com/Best-Rain-Shells-of-2019 And be sure to check out our Best wireless Headphones video as well: www.backcountryskiingcanada.com/Best-Wireless-Headphones-of-2019
That's our style straight to the point and no BS, just the facts,... and a few of our thoughts as well. Glad you enjoyed it. Be sure to read the full review too: www.backcountryskiingcanada.com/Best-Rain-Shells-of-2019
I have a "panic mode" poncho that I bought for $1.99. It weighs in at 40 grams! I get the last laugh when it starts bucketing on short hikes/walks. An umbrella is another super cheap option to mitigate both heat & rain, but both are useless during a scramble climb. Good comparisons. Arc prices have gone parabolic. Alpha SV $900!?
Great job, only good review of these ultralight jackets, especially the Storm Cruiser. Might want to do some reshoots and editing for mistakes just FYI
Hi Isaac, that's a great question and while part of the answer is personal preference the other part comes down to how each jacket faired in our detailed review which you can find here: www.backcountryskiingcanada.com/Best-Rain-Shells-of-2019 Both The North Face Drizzle and Black Diamond Stormline received the same 9/10 score, however for very different reasons, so be sure to read that full review and then you should be able to determine which is best for you. Hope this helps!
@@Backcountryskiingcanada thx .. you inspired me to look at montbell, I am looking at its versalite line..both numbers good great.. and much lighter than the storm cruiser, could be a better choice for a trail runner like me.. thanks again .. great channel
@@jonomichi2262 Montbell makes great apparel as well as sleeping bags and other gear, hard to find in N.A. but hopefully, you get the jacket you want. Thanks for watching, please be sure to like and subscribe!
@@Backcountryskiingcanada To do that with audio (say in Audacity) you take a sample of the noise by itself, then you can 'remove' that noise from the whole video. I forget what that process is called but it's quite easy with a fairly static noise like the water. You should be able to figure it out with online tutorials in maybe an hour or two? Have you tried DaVinci Resolve? it's far more powerful and free. Cheers.
Plz do montane, mountain equipment, berghaus, mammut, patagonia too Saw u said they send em for test in the comments thats why no patagonia but u could buy them review them then get a refund straight after😂
We covered Montane in the past but they declined to be involved as did mountain equipment as they are a UK brand and cannot compete directly in Canada with MEC. Similarly no interest from berghaus, mammut, and patagonia. All we can do is offer and see who is interested, but trust me we try! Each year the comparison reviews will be different brands depending upon the products they have which are new and who is interested. Thanks for the comment and interest in those brands as well!
From their site : "Built for climbers and mountain adventurers, BD.dry™ is our waterproof/breathable/windproof solution engineered to shield you from whatever the weather holds. Ultralight and super packable, our BD.dry™ rainwear consists of a unique, 4-way stretch, 2.5-layer fabric that’s designed to move with you, and a fully seam-taped, 10,000mm waterproof rating adds a level of protection you can rely on in the mountains. - Built with BD.dry - our engineered waterproof/breathable laminate - 4-way stretch 2.5 layer fabric -10,000mm waterproof - 10,000g/m2/24hr breathability - Fully seam-taped"
All completely overpriced jackets for just being a shell. And wtf is up with jackets coming with high chest pockets--we want handwarmer pockets. No to all of them. Thx for the reviews
Quality costs my friend, quality costs. And those high up pockets are so that they do not interfere with a back pack hip belt or a climbing harness,... remember these are more high-end rain jackets.
Thumbs up for the reviews man. Thumbs down for the prices... agree that quality costs, however, these rain shells seem to be more of a case of paying for the name, than the actual product should cost. Definitely overpriced like so many other products in our society.
Yes it does seem like brands are charging more and more for products Troy but it doesn't add up as I don't see any of them recording record profits so maybe costs overall are high or competition is reducing volumes with would also increase costs. It is perplexing and also staggering the cost of things these days. I think we're starting to sound old! :)
I would worry about the quality of an $18 jacket and I guarantee the 'waterproofing' is just a laminate and not a 3L jacket using a proven fabric like gore-tex. 10k is ok but not the industry standard of 20k but hope that it works for you.
Rukka is a longterm and very good Brand from Finland. They know Rain. There is no reason for 3 Layer. Waterproof is based on a good material. If you wish you get a 200 Dollar Jacket from Rukka too.
Its a general issue. Those Gortex Jackets are safe vor max time 4 hours. The more rubber like material in Ponchos from various Producer are significant better. Exped and others. When you walk across Scotland for three days a large Poncho is fine, your Pack is still dry and with a Gortex Jacket this will not be the case.
I think money and therefore the price is a factor for most people and while the quality and technology has increased an incredible amount over the years, so has the price of good jackets.
@@Backcountryskiingcanada doubt that bro ...here in romania with 150$ i buy awesome jackets not crap ones...so i doubt any rainshell could beat 3-4 jackets. From what i know ..200-600$ its alot of money even in usa but people do what they want with their money...if they wanna pay for the brand only...
No Patagonia or REI jackets, but 3 from another manufacturer with that manufacturer being mentioned as a top jacket in each category...i smell a hidden sponsorship.
Hey Christopher, just so you know we approached most brands to participate in this comparison review (although not REI) and several just didn't make the cut or didn't submit a jacket. Mont Bell (who I think you are referring to) submitted two jackets and both were well-performing so they scored high in various categories. There is no sponsorship from any brands, a brand cannot buy their way to a well scoring review. The product speaks for itself, if it is good it does well, if not, then it doesn't-this is why we use a five-category points system and just don't simply say "we like this one best, it's great". If you read the review you will see all the hard work we put into each jacket review and why each one is ranked as it is. Accusing us of a sponsored review is not something we take lightly, so, please, read the review and you will see we've done our homework and didn't simply take the manufactures word (and money) for it. The review is here: www.backcountryskiingcanada.com/Best-Rain-Shells-of-2019
This is a breath of fresh air. Straightforward, detailed, and apparently independent and fair assessment of what the pros and cons are of these shells are.
Thanks for the feedback, that's exactly what we're shooting for, a straightforward assessment of the best shells out there both positive and negative so you the buyers can make an educated purchase. Read the full written review here: www.backcountryskiingcanada.com/Best-Rain-Shells-of-2019
And be sure to check out our Best wireless Headphones video as well: www.backcountryskiingcanada.com/Best-Wireless-Headphones-of-2019
Straight to the point, good talking points, great comparison. Thanks!
That's our style straight to the point and no BS, just the facts,... and a few of our thoughts as well. Glad you enjoyed it. Be sure to read the full review too: www.backcountryskiingcanada.com/Best-Rain-Shells-of-2019
Comprehensive research, great job!
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Patagonia torrentshell 3l another great option, one of the best on the market
I have a "panic mode" poncho that I bought for $1.99. It weighs in at 40 grams! I get the last laugh when it starts bucketing on short hikes/walks. An umbrella is another super cheap option to mitigate both heat & rain, but both are useless during a scramble climb. Good comparisons. Arc prices have gone parabolic. Alpha SV $900!?
Well, the price is sure right but not sure I'd trust it to repel a super-strong storm, luckily it has built-in passive venting since it's a poncho!
Great job, only good review of these ultralight jackets, especially the Storm Cruiser. Might want to do some reshoots and editing for mistakes just FYI
Glad it works for you, did I make mistakes on jacket names? I bet I did, too many to remember.
Would you recommend the north face or the black diamond? Thanks!
Hi Isaac, that's a great question and while part of the answer is personal preference the other part comes down to how each jacket faired in our detailed review which you can find here:
www.backcountryskiingcanada.com/Best-Rain-Shells-of-2019
Both The North Face Drizzle and Black Diamond Stormline received the same 9/10 score, however for very different reasons, so be sure to read that full review and then you should be able to determine which is best for you. Hope this helps!
Very thorough review thx
Glad you liked it, so many great rain shells out there these days - hopefully you are able to find the best one for you.
@@Backcountryskiingcanada thx .. you inspired me to look at montbell, I am looking at its versalite line..both numbers good great.. and much lighter than the storm cruiser, could be a better choice for a trail runner like me.. thanks again .. great channel
@@jonomichi2262 Montbell makes great apparel as well as sleeping bags and other gear, hard to find in N.A. but hopefully, you get the jacket you want. Thanks for watching, please be sure to like and subscribe!
@@Backcountryskiingcanada will do that now .. pleasure is all mine
What about Patagonia rain shell's reviews? I thought they were among the top rain jackets in the market...
they did not submit one for us to test sadly, sorry!
Do one to review Patagonia rain jackets please. Thank you.
@@SR-zm9vp They have not submitted a rian shell for us to test so we are not able to sadly. Perhaps down the road.
A lav mic might have been better, there's a lot of background noise
Totally, it was filmed next to a creek but it all comes out sounding like static.
@@Backcountryskiingcanada You could probably remove it in post fairly effectively...
Tried my best but my software is limited to iMovie :)
@@Backcountryskiingcanada To do that with audio (say in Audacity) you take a sample of the noise by itself, then you can 'remove' that noise from the whole video. I forget what that process is called but it's quite easy with a fairly static noise like the water.
You should be able to figure it out with online tutorials in maybe an hour or two?
Have you tried DaVinci Resolve? it's far more powerful and free.
Cheers.
@@DeviantDeveloper Thanks for the tips, we'll check those out!
Plz do montane, mountain equipment, berghaus, mammut, patagonia too
Saw u said they send em for test in the comments thats why no patagonia but u could buy them review them then get a refund straight after😂
We covered Montane in the past but they declined to be involved as did mountain equipment as they are a UK brand and cannot compete directly in Canada with MEC. Similarly no interest from berghaus, mammut, and patagonia. All we can do is offer and see who is interested, but trust me we try! Each year the comparison reviews will be different brands depending upon the products they have which are new and who is interested. Thanks for the comment and interest in those brands as well!
black diamond's 2.5L jacket refers to layers and not liters
From their site : "Built for climbers and mountain adventurers, BD.dry™ is our waterproof/breathable/windproof solution engineered to shield you from whatever the weather holds. Ultralight and super packable, our BD.dry™ rainwear consists of a unique, 4-way stretch, 2.5-layer fabric that’s designed to move with you, and a fully seam-taped, 10,000mm waterproof rating adds a level of protection you can rely on in the mountains.
- Built with BD.dry - our engineered waterproof/breathable laminate
- 4-way stretch 2.5 layer fabric -10,000mm waterproof
- 10,000g/m2/24hr breathability
- Fully seam-taped"
Right you are, there is no Litre designation with jackets, we must have been thinking packs. Good catch!
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Yup, high-end jackets cost a lot but they are super good quality and perform well.
All completely overpriced jackets for just being a shell. And wtf is up with jackets coming with high chest pockets--we want handwarmer pockets. No to all of them. Thx for the reviews
Quality costs my friend, quality costs. And those high up pockets are so that they do not interfere with a back pack hip belt or a climbing harness,... remember these are more high-end rain jackets.
Rab mundane? Is that what u said?
That's the Rab Muztag Jacket, expensive but ooooh so nice: www.backcountryskiingcanada.com/Best-Rain-Shells-of-2019
Too bad the import duty makes these stupid expensive in Canada.
Yeah, there are a few brands that are hard to find in Canada but if you every travel south to the US they would have them as duties are nice to avoid.
Thumbs up for the reviews man. Thumbs down for the prices... agree that quality costs, however, these rain shells seem to be more of a case of paying for the name, than the actual product should cost. Definitely overpriced like so many other products in our society.
Yes it does seem like brands are charging more and more for products Troy but it doesn't add up as I don't see any of them recording record profits so maybe costs overall are high or competition is reducing volumes with would also increase costs. It is perplexing and also staggering the cost of things these days. I think we're starting to sound old! :)
18 USD for a Rukka Poncho 10000 mm waterprofing.
I would worry about the quality of an $18 jacket and I guarantee the 'waterproofing' is just a laminate and not a 3L jacket using a proven fabric like gore-tex. 10k is ok but not the industry standard of 20k but hope that it works for you.
Rukka is a longterm and very good Brand from Finland. They know Rain. There is no reason for 3 Layer. Waterproof is based on a good material. If you wish you get a 200 Dollar Jacket from Rukka too.
Its a general issue. Those Gortex Jackets are safe vor max time 4 hours. The more rubber like material in Ponchos from various Producer are significant better. Exped and others. When you walk across Scotland for three days a large Poncho is fine, your Pack is still dry and with a Gortex Jacket this will not be the case.
@@pmue437 good to know, thanks as I am not familiar with that brand.
@@pmue437 but what about sideways rain and breathability?
I wish money wasn’t a factor for me. But it is, so…. these are all incredibly expensive.
I think money and therefore the price is a factor for most people and while the quality and technology has increased an incredible amount over the years, so has the price of good jackets.
200-600$ ??? i buy 3-4 jackets with those money lol
Yes, but quality costs and these jackets are the best value money can buy!
@@Backcountryskiingcanada doubt that bro ...here in romania with 150$ i buy awesome jackets not crap ones...so i doubt any rainshell could beat 3-4 jackets. From what i know ..200-600$ its alot of money even in usa but people do what they want with their money...if they wanna pay for the brand only...
@@SubZeroMG4u Well I am sure the exchange rate and cost of living comes into play with that equation as well. Enjoy your jacket deals.
@@Backcountryskiingcanada i guess :D
@@SubZeroMG4u ur mad bro, reputation+quality=brand. U can buy good cheap stuff, u can buy good expensive stuff. Depends wha ur doing and what ur into
No Patagonia or REI jackets, but 3 from another manufacturer with that manufacturer being mentioned as a top jacket in each category...i smell a hidden sponsorship.
Hey Christopher, just so you know we approached most brands to participate in this comparison review (although not REI) and several just didn't make the cut or didn't submit a jacket. Mont Bell (who I think you are referring to) submitted two jackets and both were well-performing so they scored high in various categories. There is no sponsorship from any brands, a brand cannot buy their way to a well scoring review. The product speaks for itself, if it is good it does well, if not, then it doesn't-this is why we use a five-category points system and just don't simply say "we like this one best, it's great". If you read the review you will see all the hard work we put into each jacket review and why each one is ranked as it is. Accusing us of a sponsored review is not something we take lightly, so, please, read the review and you will see we've done our homework and didn't simply take the manufactures word (and money) for it.
The review is here: www.backcountryskiingcanada.com/Best-Rain-Shells-of-2019
😂 200-600 guess this is for rich folks. Shame on you. Guess us poor folks are gonna get wet.
Yes, quality rin shells cost a lot these days but they sure work well and last also.