I’m very high church Lutheran, and I agree for the classic/traditional Baptist churches!! But any church, regardless of denomination, where you feel like you’re at a Ted Talk or a concert? That’s just wrong.
As a Truly Reformed Baptist (most "reformed Baptists" are just Calvinistic Baptists but yes we do exist and Baptist does not contradict Reformed) I Agree that many Baptists overlook church History, but not the (True) Reformed Baptists that I know. We are more High Church than the average Baptist, and we care for it more then our regular Baptist brothers. We are good at not letting culture affect us, but us (true) Reformed Baptists do care about Church History and more definitely need too
One thing that's important to note is that for a lot of churches, them being low church isn't really out of choice, but rather because of a lack of fundings. Especially in developing countries like in Asia for example. There's a lot of poor people where I come from, so we can't always have nice things. We thank to Lord for providing us with what we have even in times of persecution. Good video, God bless you.
"low church" doesn't have to do with the way the church looks (although a church being "low church" will often express itself in the way the church looks) and more to do with the practice of the faith. Low Church means that they put little emphasis on ritual and liturgy, and more in personal faith and experience. High Church puts more emphasis on ritual and liturgy. Certainly personal faith and experience is incredible important to Christianity, however, being High Church myself, I certainly do believe ritual and liturgy are also important facets to the expression of our faith. This emphasis on personal faith and experience IN the Low Church definitely comes out in the way the church buildings are constructed, with little decoration and "pretty" stuff, but there are also Catholic, Anglican, Presbyterian, etc. Church's that aren't beautified, but they would still be considered "High Church," as the emphasis within that tradition is on the ritualistic aspects of the faith, such as Baptism and Eucharist.
@@potatocreamsoup9003 i believe what the above comment was trying to say was: if your church is in poverty, not like in america but like in other poor countries, things just cannot be done. do you wanna buy supplies when children are literally starving to death? nah,,
I am a Baptist and I find your videos most helpful in understanding my fellow Christians. As to the matter of Authority, clearly The Bible is The Authority. The Church; The Bride of Christ, is, clearly, important. But much of what, today and for the 20 centuries since its founding by Christ it has become to too many Christians what The Law had become to Jews before the arrival of Jesus Christ. When He, said, as recorded in Matthew 5:17, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them." He was, implicitly, making TWO points: The Tradition and Institutions are important and must be recognized and maintained and the HE IS and will ALWAYS BE, the ultimate authority. Since He, Himself, did not leave any written record, then we have to rely upon the record created by those who knew him personally and their close associates and maintained by those who heard and responded to His call to serve and maintain those records, institutions and traditions. He also made a number of other points along his path from that Manger in Bethlehem to The Cross at Calvary: "For where two or three gather together in My name, there am I with them. ” and "The same Lord is Lord of all, and gives richly to all who call on Him, for, Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” There's not a single mention of Sacraments here. There is, of course, the Last Supper which is the origin of what Christians, today, call 'Communion'. Baptists, obviously, recognize the importance of this ceremony and strive to observe and preserve it. I fully support what you are doing with this important work and I hope that criticisms by those who have objections do not deter you from your mission. I actually believe that you are leading people to The Lord and growing The Church; adding to The Body of Christ. I'm looking forward to watching all of your videos and looking forward to those you produce in the future. May God richly bless you in this endeavor.
His view on sacraments aren't that if you don't believe in them then you aren't saved. It's that they're important. Which is true. Jesus wouldn't have gotten baptized, had his disciples drink wine and break bread for nothing. It's meaningful. And US non denominationals do a horrible job most of the time at making it important. But thanks for what you said. Very well spoken
Good video. As a Baptist, I hope we can take these criticisms to heart and mitigate the effects of those secondary matters you mentioned, such as beauty and classical philosophy.
God bless! I do have criticisms of Baptists but one thing that's great about them is how open minded they are and always willing to be convinced of stuff with scripture, so their issues are very correctable, unlike something like Eastern Orthodoxy which is extremely rigid
@@redeemedzoomer6053 When your denomination is built upon lack of centralization and self-interpretation it makes it easier to accept other denominations. We have the least defining sentiments.
As a Baptist myself, one of the things you don’t point out that I love about my denomination is the huge emphasis on the Great Commission. There is a reason why many church plants today are Baptist, and not mainline Protestant. As someone who has lived in Utah my whole life, if it weren’t for Baptist’s very strong emphasis on the great commission, the Church here would basically be non existent. I will admit tho I’m pretty ignorant with the mainline churches history on the Great Commission, so that’s something I’ll have look into sometime. I do appreciate the mainline’s high view of communion/sacraments and the church building, so that’s defiantly something that’s convicted me and has left me open to not being Baptist. Appreciate the video! :)
This is so true. We just got done with our missions conference at our church, and for a while, at the end of every service, our pastor would lead us in the reading of the Great Commission from the last chapter of Matthew.
The reason baptists (speaking as a Baptist myself) may not have more traditional or “beautiful” church buildings is because we believe that we are the church. That’s why fellowship is a big deal on Sundays because that is us being the church. We believe that the church building itself is just a building, it’s what we do with or in it that matters.
I’m a Baptist and I agree that we tend to put too much emphasis on celebrity pastors. It does seem like it’s less of an issue in traditions that are more confessional.
As a Baptist I actually agree with you on the general "born-again experience" thing. I think a lot of more old school Baptist teachers can over emphasize it to an extereme. For me, growing up I never had a specific time that I remember having a born again experience, it caused me a lot of anxiety when some more old style or fundamental Baptist would talk about how you should have a specific time and day you remember. Since then though, I have gotten a lot of guidance from older members of my church that it is not a reason to question your Salvation as long as you have a relationship with Christ and continued scantification is evident in your life.
This is exactly my situation too. He was spot on in describing Baptist and that was something that caused some anxieties in my life. I still consider myself a Baptist, but I do have a lot of the same criticisms of the denomination that he does.
The thief on the cross didn't take communion or water baptism yet: Luke 23:43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." Yes the sacraments are essential to being obedient and they should not be neglected, but in regards to salvation it is through Christ alone.
I was just gonna say that, and it's the same when the jailor asked Paul what he must do to be saved, Paul did NOT say, "Believe on Jesus and be baptized and take communion." Rather, Paul said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household" (v. 31). Thus, we see that it is faith that is the ingredient necessary for salvation. It was understood that one who believed would be baptized, but baptism was not necessary for salvation. If it were, Paul would have given it more weight in his missionary journeys (1 Corinthians 1:14-18).
I do not believe that Baptism saves you, but I will point out that Baptism is symbolic of being buried with Christ, and then resurrected Christ had not yet been buried or resurrected when He had promised the thief on the cross that he would be in Paradise ;-)
@@neckutter1125 yeah no I thought it was symbolism for your sins being washed away... Like it says in Acts 22:16 "And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name."
@@Lapegacorn I hear you, but then 1 Peter 3:21 Says "Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God [a]for a good conscience-through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" FOr me Baptism is so confusing. I just did it, in the understanding that a. I was told to, by the Bible, and 2, because of the remission of my sins I wanted to, and 3, as a public profession of faith.
Hey I’m a Baptist and I really like your videos! I agree with many of your points and I appreciate how respectful you were when “criticizing” us. I once went to a more traditional baptist church and to be one hundred percent honest it was the best church I’ve ever been to. Personally I don’t really follow the significance of a “one time born again” experience because I haven’t had one myself. Often when I go to church I have to evaluate what the pastor says and kind of apply my own perspective to it, because sometimes they really just state their opinions and specific interpretations of passages in the Bible.
See isn’t that the problem with being in a low church? If there isn’t a string organization with confessions or creeds the pastor at each church turns into the authority of biblical interpretation
@@Justin-yn5pylow church here. Let me see if i can help. here's a high church person looking for the authority again, lol. The only authority is scripture and God. Not the preacher, or the church. So people in low churches (hopefully) know that anything they read in the Bible takes precedence over anything the pastor says or the church proclaims. Also any legitimate low church is going to have a faith declaration on their website, where they specify the beliefs of that specific church along with any creeds they confess. Any low church that does not have this information publicly available on their website I would be very suspicious of and there's a good chance that they're illegitimate or some kind of cult.
Theologically I personally disagree to your points, but everything else is true and we probably should fix some of these issues. But, regardless, I enjoy your videos and your takes on God and Christianity and gives me a better mindset on it than it being closed off. Thank you, and God bless. Keep making these videos!
“Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6 Not through the church fathers, through Christ and His Word
That's simply not true though. The church fathers acknowledge what books are in the Bible, but don't decide them. The decision of which books should be in the Bible could be made by any group of Biblically and Historically literate people. If you see what the books are that were "left out" of the Bible through a lens of textual criticism, you would be able to come to the exact same conclusion as the church fathers did. Even the more dodgy parts that we're unsure of (Like the end of Mark or the story of the woman caught in adultery) are marked in the Bible because it is so evident when something has been altered. The whole point is that documents are open to criticism, and we've compiled the ones that stand up to the criticism. The church fathers did a great job of sorting through it, but they didn't decide what stayed and what didn't; the Word of God stands out quite evidently from other documents on its own merit, regardless of who does the compiling. @@Triniforchrist
Yeah, as a Baptist I will say, the reason we don't keep much church tradition, is because since we are human and sinful, so is our tradition within the church, and often times in other denominations tradition might interfere with Biblical theology. I also believe the Bible is not the only authority, but, ofc, it is the highest authority as you said. I don't even typically agree with a lot of Baptist theology. I believe the best way to have the best theology is to first do your own study of the Bible regarding that, and once you do see how it compares to other studies
Also, I interpreted tradition as symbolic, they're part of your faith in God, but not ways to save you. Also, Tradition is basically being conservatism that's why we kinda avoid having redundant tradition, but again its a double edge sword of an interpretation that we also have a little faith and works for it to work. But, FAITH is alone.
as a baptist, honestly I agree with most of this video. Honestly I have recently considered looking into other more traditional denominations. But I also agree that growing up baptist has encouraged me to focus on making sure I consistently read the bible every day and pray often and earnestly. I’m not sure how I feel about infant baptism because i still believe it should be a choice, but at the same time I “chose” at 8 years old so idk I might as well have just been baptized as a baby lol. Also i definitely agree about doubting my salvation, from 10-13 I severely doubted if I “meant it” when I got baptized. and then 14-16 I doubted if God even existed. and now at 17 after doing a full 180 I can confidently say that my faith is stronger than ever and now I really want to join a church with more community so I have someone to talk to when I have doubts and don’t fall into unbelief again.
I am a Reformed Baptist minister supported by Heartcry Missionary Society. I have prayed for you giving thanks to the Lord that he is raising up young Christian men even among liberal churches. May God bless your efforts! Your posts are very useful
Hey so I’m a baptist and the reason why I think we don’t really focus to much on the sacraments is because I feel like you can fall in to a trap that “you have to be baptize” that can make you think that the baptism is the way to be saved because it should be a commitment in your heart
Reformed Baptist here. While I disagree with Presbyterian infant baptism, Presbyterians don’t think that Baptism saves or that it can contribute to salvation.
There are Lutheran sermons that literally begin with "Baptism saves." I think that the term "sacrament" implies "makes holy." That is why most Baptists never call them sacraments.
My parents used to go all over the place to check out different denominations and churches. We used to stay at a Baptist church for around 5 years, yet somehow, I had no idea that "celebrity pastors" were a thing.
nice vid comrade! i can agree as a baptist that i really really crave a church that teaches our theology but with more holiness, prayer and hymns. i really don't like how so many of our modern churches treat worship as something so flimsy. let us go back to the reverent hymns and solid theology that emphasises repentance and prayer instead of 'God loves you, anyways' thanks for the video mate
I've noticed a lot of this whole "nahhh it's fine I'm saved" attitude in the south US regardless of the protestant denomination. Or an attitude of "that's the old me the consequences shouldn't apply now that I'm saved"
I've attended a rural canadian evangelical baptist church since I was 8 years old. Until I found your channel I was more or less blind to the greater Christian world. You have really opened my eyes
Thanks for the video. You put your views forward in a way that really respects other denominations but doesn't honeycoat the differences that exist. If could I put a word of caution on one thing, though, I would be careful not to use my own standard of beauty as the universal standard for beauty. There is beauty in using a variety of instruments to praise the Lord, as the Psalms constantly repeat. Of course, there is also beauty that many may find in sticking to what has been sung by the church for hundreds of years. I grew up in a very conservative environment and I was the pianist for my church for some amount of months and years (forced by my parents). This caused a lot of stress as I was still pursuing lots of classes (again, forced by my parents) in school. Therefore, my association of conservative traditionalist worship was less of a set-apart beautiful thing to me and rather just a reminder of the next time I had to play for the congregation. That was my own experience which explains my preference to non-traditional styles of worship. I now attend a church that uses varieties of instruments and genres of music to praise God , and I find so much more beauty in that. But of course, other people who lived other lives will have other ways of interpreting various instruments and genres of music. For example, my mother associates drums with "rock concerts" and so her heart is troubled when worshipping with drums included as to her it is a symbol of worldliness. To me, it's an insturment, one of the many that we can use to uplift God's name in unified rhythm. This is a working example of how one's own definition of beauty is shaped by personal experience and cultural views that shift over time. TL;DR I think acoustic guitars are beautiful and so are drums and etc. because they all make music that I enjoy, but it is understandable that other people may associate various instruments with various stigmas due to their environment growing up and therefore stick to only a small selection of worship music. We should be kind to one another in being aware of these things. Many good folks I know that have a heart of gold but would classify the electric guitar as inherently demonic or evil. Even if I know there is nothing inherently evil about the electric guitar itself, what would be evil is delibaretly causing conflict by being ignorant of these people's recognition of the electric guitar as an icon of ungodliness. Anyway, hope that all made some sense. I have a bit of trouble being concise so I apologize for the lengthy read. I'ma go eat a sandwich now bye
4:40 "Catholics are always better at giving an intellectual defense of the faith... than Protestants." You are correct. If by "intellectual defense" you mean quoting historical figures, twisting Scripture, and relying on human reason. These were also the strengths of the Pharisees of the first century (see Matt 15:2, Matt 15:5, Matt 15:9). I do agree that a well educated Catholic is 100x better than the ill-educated, wishy-washy evengelicals running about. However, you must be spending your time in the wrong circles and reading the wrong books to think that the exegetical force of the Protestent defense is inferior to the tradition-quoting, Greek-philosophy saturated Catholic form of argumentation.
I love watching your videos with my family! I thought it was interesting and confusing that you said you dont think Baptists have an intellectual faith or a good handle on apologetics. The SBC in particular has a large group of very well respected, very academic, widely read published scholars in church history, languages, ethics etc. I've found that Baptists have a deep and wide commitment to rigorous study and are very public about applying faith to current ethics.
So as a Baptist, I didn't even know what Sacraments were before watching your videos lol, thank you for informing on that. Also, I agree about the traditionalism and worship style. I tend to prefer old church buildings and churches that sing hymns (as well as contemporary) Interesting takes here!
If you don't believe truth matters, as the scripture emphasizes, you will leave Baptist and join something inferior. I am not a Baptist as there's no Baptists around here.
Same. Well, kind of. I had a Lutheran friend who taught what the two sacraments are. Baptism and communion. Baptists are credo-baptist and memorialist so not exactly "sacred sacraments"
Listening to this confirmed i am indeed baptist even though i go to the non demonstrational Church. I did not know i was soooo Baptist. You kept hitting one belief after another of mine perfectly. These arent just beliefs that are loosely held. They are strong and deeply held. One area i agreed was your criticism of the rejection of philosophy and just saying "the Bible says so." I love Timothy Keller and how he explains the faith.
If you don't believe truth matters, as the scripture emphasizes, and believe all kinds of lesser things you will leave Baptist and join something inferior. I am not a Baptist as there's no Baptists around here.
If it weren't for reformed Baptist preachers, I dare say there wouldn't be a resurgence of reformed theology today. Most people I know including myself we're introduced to reformed teachings through popular reformed baptists, even through reformed Presbyterians have been around for quite some time and there are many Presbyterians churches all throughout the US. Baptists are just more evangelistic and don't get bogged down on the intellectual aspects of things I find and I appreciate that.
Your church is gorgeous! The stained glass is beautiful. Pure art! Wouldn’t it be cool if someone built the tabernacle, following instructions in the Old Testament? 😳
If I recall correctly, Tertullian believed that the Eucharist was symbolic and Origen did not believe in baptismal regeneration, so to say that it was "completely unanimous" is incorrect. Argument from consensus, in the past or present, doesn't mean very much because consensus doesn't dictate reality. Beauty is everywhere, but more emphasized in OT & Middle Ages as it was the only place for the common man to see a particular type of beauty, the type created by man.
Origen did believe in infant baptism and Tertullian died outside the church. Origen also believed baptism forgives sin. Nothing like Baptist theology ever existed until later on in the Protestant revolution
Not sure how much you know about Baptist but in my church you have the single experience but it's not like an overnight change. You're still being sanctified every day. And everyday you just become more Christ-like. But the single point of experience is more commonly known to be the You become a Christian where you believe and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
So my question is this - I am a traditional, conservative, reformed Baptist. I believe in the historical importance of the sacraments, and I wish they were more prominent in the Baptist tradition. What is the difference between your membership as a conservative in the PCUSA and my conservative, traditional membership in the Baptist denomination? I agree with most of your criticisms of the denomination. I could make a similar list for the PCUSA. I admire your commitment to the PCUSA (tier list video). I have a similar commitment to the Baptist denomination. Aren't we trying to achieve the same goal in the Body of Christ?
As a baptist, this video really made me think about my beliefs. You are absolutely correct on pretty much everything, only things I disagree with is Calvinism and Infant Baptism. This was a great video, God Bless.
@user-ui8uk8ro5b Baptism doesn't do anything to save you otherwise Jesus' sacrifice is not sufficient for salvation. Calvinism decrees that God picked and chose people who would be saved and others who would not be, taking away our ability to chose to accept Christ's gift.
If you don't believe truth matters, as the scripture emphasizes, and believe all kinds of lesser things you will leave Baptist and join something inferior. I am not a Baptist as there's no Baptists around here.
As a Baptist i will point out that there are traditions that are practiced in many other denominations that have no biblical basis. Infant baptism, worshipping Marry and treating her as being anything other than a Godly woman chosen by God to birth Jesus, thinking that things like communion are literal and not symbolic (even though at the last supper Jesus used the wine and bread as symbols for his blood and body) You made some valid points like the one about the classic "born again experience" when not everyone has that. Theologically i cannot agree with you on several things because it would violate what i know to be true from reading the Bible and hearing the word preached from good men of God
Born again is interesting because it really depends on you being a terrible person beforehand. I heard someone say at my church a great line that I really like: "The best testimony is a boring testimony"
As an Australian Church of Christ member, we joke that we are Baptist adjacent. Biggest differences are we tend to be smaller and more out reach focused, but theology is majority the same. However we take communion as very important. We do not believe it is physically His flesh and blood, but it is very super important and should only be taken when you have given yourself to God. It is blessing and a ritual of rememberance. We also do not have infant baptism, we have something similar called dedication where the parents bring the child before the church for blessing and swear to raise them with love and wisdom and to guide them to God. We sprinkle them as well. Baptism, however, must be a choice of the individual. But it is not a symbolic declaration, it is a true baptism. Believe and be baptised. Don't be baptised if you don't believe. A baptism without belief is a bath. I commonly see Catholic, Presbyterian, AOG, Pentecostal (the major one in my area) teens walk away from God as soon as they leave home. But kids who have chosen to dedicate themselves to God don't seem to do that. So I guess this is a long way of saying there are some denominations out there with importance on sacraments and also adult baptism. But we do definitely avoid ritualistic or symbolic actions common in non baptists, any we do practice are for closening a relationship with God as His people, or are directly mentioned in the Bible. We do tend to react hard "NO" to anything we perceive as 'like the Pharisees', adding extra rules and rituals over what God has declared, so you might still be right. I'm no scholar of Church history like you. Also American Baptists feel extreme to me as an Australian. I'd love to see some investigation in how denominations with the same name are different around the world.
I agree with the issue of worship, the overbearance of a celebrity pastor makes discussion less welcome, the neglection of reformed theology and church tradition, the simplification sacraments and being born-again to one particular moment. I would consider myself a Reformed Baptist. I would argue that the sacraments are a way of enjoying God’s grace. A blessing for the believer that sustains and empowers them in their Christian life. Most Baptists have lack of Church structure as a result of their lack of tradition, reformed theology, casual worship (It feels like a mockery of god), and Head pastor, that exhausted out the pastor and makes the church weak when the Senior Pastor leaves. The one moment Born-again has always bugged me because it feels emotionally driven rather than faithful, along with overdramatized worship. I believe worship should be beautiful, but not at the cost of exaltation of God. Also, philosophy is actually what brought me to Christ, because I was trying to figure out the meaningful foundation of morality of which I could not anywhere else other than in Christ.
I may disagree with many of your opinions, but you are a born again Christian who is using the gift(s) that the lord gave you to serve his kingdom, and I respect that. God bless
I've been thinking about this for a long time, and this was the final push i needed. I'm leaving the Baptist church. I'm going to look for a sound Presbyterian church near me.
I am a non denominational Christian who is as you like to say is basically Baptist. I will admit that it would be very beneficial to learn more about early church history. To learn in detail what the early church fathers believed, why they did so, to gain a greater understanding of its relevance today, and even why certain writings are considered part of the New Testament cannon, and others are debated on. I neither agree nor disagree with your statements on baptist theology as I am simply too ignorant. Can you recommend good resources to learn and investigate with?
Im a Baptist but i agree on the sacraments to an extent i dont believe you wont be saved for not baptizing or not taking the lord s supper but i do think they do something spiritually and i agree with most criticism but i think faith saves and that is work of Jesus not us so we don t get to decide who is saved
Cradle Baptist trauma trigger warning; “Do you know that you know that you know that you’re saved?” This emphasis on the born again experience was always so problematic for well behaved children growing up Southern Baptist. You’d tremble with internal fear at the realization that you hadn’t ever been a drug addict or a drunkard or a gang banger who’d experienced salvation via a radical repentance & it’d leave you with the angst of not knowing if you’re baptism was genuine enough. This is why I lead my children in the recital of the Nicene Creed, so that they may form a clear understanding of time tested Christian doctrine and the understanding that baptism is regenerative and necessary only once while repentance and penance is a lifelong pursuit.
Hey! Great video. You made some incredibly valid points about the Baptist church’s shortcomings, specifically the overt focus on pastoral theology and the negative effects of the focus on a one-time born-again experience. However I do have to disagree with your objections to baptist worship. As someone who has been involved with both leading and participating in baptist and later “smokeshow baptist” as you would call it (😂) worship, I entirely disagree with it not being a sacred or set apart experience. Even in the CCM songs we sing, we are trying to create a sacred place for people to meet and praise Jesus by inviting the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is what consecrates worship, not the specific tradition. And while it does not match with the solemn tone of more traditional liturgies (which I can definitely appreciate, btw, I love the reverence within these traditions), the baptist worship service is meant to simultaneously celebrate the gospel, worship Jesus, and invite the Holy Spirit to consecrate our souls. Also, since coming to college, I have gotten involved in some pentacostal groups, and what they do is seriously cool. With these guys I have experienced the Holy Spirit so much more powerfully than I ever did before, so I’d be interested to hear what you have to say about them! Great video as always, thanks for sharing the kingdom on youtube! Peace
11:00 I think youre painting with a very broad brush here, I jave never heard of a non denominational or Baptist church that requires a powerful salvation experience for assurance
The apostles never said that baptism saves. Please tell me otherwise if you can, I try to be open. We Baptize as a symbol of Christianity and a testament of what Christ has done for us. The Lord's table is also symbolic and a bit traditional
I'm a Reformed Baptist. Far too few of us see the sacraments as a means of grace. Honestly, I'd probably be Lutheran or Presbyterian if there was a solid church nearby. I think a lot of your criticisms of Baptists can fit a lot of Baptist churches but man - that's a really broad brush you're painting with.
My father's family were ex-slaves from Texas and North Carolina. He always told me that when his grandparents moved to the Northeast, they were appauled by the "idol worshiping" of Irish and Italian Catholics. This is something my father talks about to this day, and yet he married a Catholic.
I consider myself a sort of "weird" Baptist. I actually agree with most of your criticisms of Baptists with regard to the sacraments and church tradition. Perhaps I diverge from the mainstream among Baptists for that reason, but there certainly is a (small but growing) minority who think similarly to me. Cheers to you for acknowledging that we exist! :D
Hey so can you clarify what it means that sacrements are a means of salvation. I still can’t grasp how baptism cleanses you when Jesus died on the cross. And how the Eucharist you take the literal body and blood of Christ. Because faith for me is just believing in Jesus and haven’t faith that he died for us and that we’re saved.
I am a Baptist, but I listen to and watch a lot of different teachers beyond my local church. (Lifelong Missionary) Dr. John Barnett, (Street Witnesser) Ray Comfort, Alistair Begg, Chuck Swindoll, (Apologist, Speaker's Corner Witness to Muslims) David Wood, (Reformed) R.C. Sproul. - - - Your channel has certainly shored up my knowledge of the other traditions and I am grateful for that. - - - Overall, I am of Barnett's teaching that we are saved by our faith in that Christ is The Lord and that he was raised from the dead. That because He breaths the Holy Spirit to superimpose onto us as the inner temple and wellspring of living water, as a result we have an internal desire (new operating system) to be convicted to do good deeds and sin mortification that lead to a trajectory of seeking sanctification, the speed of this process is dependent on the individual. Falling away would be a result of a total hardening of the heart, total abandonment and grieving the Holy Spirit to the point of being uninhabitable that Jesus warned about. A truly saved individual is always changed from the inside over time and would not commit toward permanent apostacy. - - - As far as the Sacraments go, we honor Communion as a very sobering and serious occasion at the 1st of the month. Because of what Christ had warned the 7 churches in Revelation, mortifying sin and not grieving The Spirit is very important to honor Him in that ceremony, for he warns of severe spiritual and physical illness of increasing intensity for unserious believers.
I don't have confirmation for my witness, but from the amount of denomination names dropped by his viewers. Yes, even Inspiring Philosophy; Michael Jones is a Baptist, he just wanted it to be private and he even had a video about it, but his viewers sucks and even me, that even spreads on what denomination he is under. So, yeah another intellectual person under Baptist
I’m a baptist and I love all my Christian brothers and sisters and I’m not saying all of the other churches are like this by no means, but sometimes I feel like the tradition makes the word of god of no effect like what Jesus said to the Pharisees. I don’t believe that a great church is necessary because the Bible says when two or three are gathered together in my name, sure I will be in the midst of them.
Keep in mind in your KJV that “traditions of men” and “teachings passed down to us” come from the exact same Greek word. It’s your translators that make tradition a bad word. The Pharisees were corrected for bad tradition, not simply tradition
Disagree on the specific you refer to as the "experience " of being "born again". While a lot of what you have in this video is pretty spot on, Baptists are the denomination where you actually DO know you're saved...because it's belief in and reliance completely on Christ as cover for sin, because literally nothing you can ever do will earn you a spot. Because we all suck. ^^^ nutshell. Any other belief system within Christianity has ambiguity, because it's based on performance and/or works. And then the proper internal motivation behind those. So you have that anxiety of never really knowing, no matter your performance level. Baptists know, and it ain'tthem lol, nor anything they can do.. That's what makes them unique.
Kind of finding it difficult to understand the Eucharist but these quotes from C.S Lewis are helping: “I believe that since He made us with bodies as well as souls, He wants to make Himself present also in our bodies and present by His Body” And “Holy Communion is one of the ways in which He gets His salvation to us. He is like water to a man dying of thirst”
Other than there being less sacraments, and the difference between adult and infant baptism, most of what you have said seems to be specific to American Baptists. Alot of what you brought up is stuff we seen in American churches and go "What are they doing?" Though Australian Baptists are hall marked by needing 18 sub committees to vote on having a committee to vote on changing the colour of the front hall curtains. So I'm sure my Church is full of its own flaws.
Your perspective is shared by we American Baptists. We give lots of odd glances at other Baptists, which is why most towns have multiple congregations. And we are direct democracy at its best and worst.
Hey bro, I'm a Baptist and I've always wanted to thank you for what you're doing... Until I heard the beginning of the vid, now I don't, you know them all already. I still feel like you're doing cool stuff though.
Have you come across "The Trail of Blood?" It chronicles the baptist "tradition" that claims an unbroken chain of sent out missionaries dating to before Luther, which is why some do not consider the sacraments as essential and do not consider themselves Protestants.
Yeah, that kinda baffled me. I have never heard that we have been Protestants for years, but they would rather say "Born-Again" and "Christian" being a Baptist their last trump card name. Even my Pastor doesn't even say that we are protestants. And the only one who says that are Baptist Pastors and members that came from different churches that have a lot of church history on some sort.
1 John 5:13 says we can know we have eternal life by believing. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Let me ask you another question since I’m curious about others views: If we truly have to observe the sacraments to keep salvation or maintain salvation, does that mean that the sacraments are necessary for salvation? Perhaps I’ve misunderstood you, but it sounds to me like you are saying that one cannot be saved without the sacraments such as communion and baptism. To me, that seems to contradict essentially everything Paul preached, which was salvation through faith alone. It’s my understanding that my Baptist church teaches that we are saved through faith alone (Eph 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10), BUT as James points out, works should come as a result of our salvation (“I will show you my faith BY my works”). Jesus also says you will know who is a follower of him “by their fruit”, meaning the “fruit” of good works are evidence of true salvation, not necessarily the means of salvation. Paul also says we should not use salvation through faith as a license to sin. Why would Paul say that unless he truly believed that you could be saved through faith alone? To me, if salvation had to be maintained or kept going by sacraments, then Paul wouldn’t have needed to say that in one of his letters. Because if sacraments were necessary to maintain salvation, then Paul would’ve just basically said “Remember to follow these ‘ordinances’ or ‘sacraments’ in order to maintain your salvation so you don’t lose it”, but he didn’t. So, I’m confused as to how that can be reconciled with the views of salvation being faith+sacraments. Hope I explained my questions well. Loved your history video btw.
Yes, any of the denominations that teach the "Means of Grace" doctrine believe that sacraments are the means by which you receive God's grace. They claim to believe that grace is a free gift from God... but then don't *actually* believe it. God will give His grace to whoever He so chooses. Period. And God chooses to give His grace to whosoever believes in Him. Salvation isn't through faith + sacraments or faith + works. It's through faith alone. A genuine faith will move you to a life of faithful obedience and a desire to do God's will, but the man on the cross next to Jesus never took communion, never got baptised, never did good works, etc. - he just believed that if he turned away from the world and towards Jesus, and cried out to Him, that Jesus would remember him when Jesus entered into His Kingdom. He just had faith. And faith was - and is - enough.
So to take some language out of a parable of Jesus (actually several, that of the sower and that of the fruit of trees), works are the fruit of salvation, while God's grace is what ultimately does give us new life in Him. But works and faith in God's grace are tied together and inseparable, (like you mentioned in James) because works are a sign of true faith in Christ and His sacrifice for us. Also there are multiple places in Scripture where it mentions God judging each one "according to their deeds". By that same token, the 7 sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation (Chrismation if you're Orthodox), Eucharist, Confession, Anointing of the Sick, Matrimony, and Holy Orders (the Priesthood), would naturally be a part of a practicing Christian's life, and they do give life when participated in. They are more than just symbolic, they are real. Some are participated in but once (Baptism and Chrismation), some not at all for some Saints (Matrimony and Holy Orders), and some regularly by all Christians (the other 3). Try them and see!
@@turkeybobjr the Bible never says you are saved by faith alone. The only times faith and alone are in the same passage is James where it explicitly says you are not saved by faith alone. The Bible clearly teaches baptism saves (Mark 16:16, John 3:5, Acts 2:38-41. Also we must receive communion (John 6:51-58, 1Corth 11:28-29). We are initially saved by faith through grace but we must continue in our journey of salvation and cooperation and participation in Christs body (church). Jesus left us a church not a Bible, the church is his bride and we must hold fast to his bride.
@@turkeybobjr ok?? What does that have to do with the scripture I cited? Matthew 16 talks about Jesus establishing a church (singular) that the gates of hell would not prevail against. Do you believe the church has no authority? Let me ask how were the scriptures compiled? How did we get things such as the nicene creed? I would highly recommend reading about the early church. Some of the church fathers even knew the apostles and many of their beliefs may surprise you. I would trust their interpretations over some modern day Baptist pastor. A good book I read on this when I was researching is called “When the Church was Young”. Highly recommended. God bless
Funny how you mentioned legalism when a lot of church history is seen as legalism by the baptists. However, emphasis on pastors and assurance in salvation is a big issue in the Baptist church
Yeah I love the beauty of the historical churches and hymns and would like to worship in a space that feels set apart in that way. Perhaps I should once just for the experience.
I found this very helpful1! I grew up in a non denomination church and I had no idea that other branches of Christianity did infant baptism. Thank you for the education!
I have left the Baptist tradition because of these reasons 1. The lack of interest in continuing the catholic tradition (meaning the fathers) which was the whole reason of the reformation. 2. The down playing of the Sacraments. 3. Very little desire to continue the Reformation theology. Those who are reformed baptist invent a new denomination who has an interest in the reformation but has very little common with it. In saying that they are a passionate bunch that's a positive and they love the Holy Scriptures.
Didn't really grow up specifically baptist. I grew up in an Assembly of God church and I was raised under the impression that basically you follow the bible and especially the words of Jesus christ. Believe in Jesus and you are saved. No man, church, or priest can save you or absolve you of your sins. Jesus is the only answer. What do you think of this?
I strongly disagree that Baptists have weak assurance. Maybe this exists in spaces where fruit inspection is taught as proof of one's faith (I do not subscribe to this because of Romans 4:5), but OSAS and the authority of scripture is without a doubt the greatest assurance of salvation any Christian can have. "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
Presbyterian pastors should look to widen audiences, not to become a "celebrity pastor", but to reach more people to edify, rebuke, and encourage! Hearing expository preaching can be helpful and I would love to hear more presbyterian sermons online.
As a 1689 Particular Baptist, I would like to note, that we began with the Puritans. Unlike many other forms of Baptists, we can trace our Roots through church history. I personally tend to take a view of the sacraments closer to what Voddie Baucham does.
I am a reformed baptist, and I am going to push back a bit on the conflation of baptists and reformed baptists in a lot of the video. It seems like much of your criticism (disconnection from church history, revolution over reformation, mere sign sacramentology, SolO Scriptura etc.) is directed at baptists who have abandoned their reformed heritage in favour of more of an anabaptist view of the reformation as a resurrection of the church rather than a reformed one. Also, a lot of your critiques revolve around the idea that a lot of baptists don't believe this or that, which could be applied to your tradition as well. Critiques of denominations should be based not just on lay level beliefs but rather on official teaching. That said, a lot of your criticisms are ones I share of non-reformed baptists, which is why I am reformed. I wish there was a high-church reformed baptist congregation in my area, but alas, that's not in the cards right now.
When directly asked how to be saved, they said it was belief only. Acts 16 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Peter explicitly told us baptism is not what saves us. “The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:”
I do have to say on why we don’t do infant baptism or at least in my opinion why we don’t do it as a baptist , if you get baptized you have to profess faith in Jesus Christ, that he rode again on the third day and is a member of the trinity and when you are an infant you can not profess faith because you just don’t have the mental capacity yet
Much love from a baptist -- Question, how are the sacraments a requirement for salvation when Jesus said to the criminal on the cross "Today you will be with me in Paradise"? The theif wasn't baptized, never took communion, and couldn't go facedown or do anyrhing else. Yet scripture tells us the theif was saved. Baptism is an ourward expression of your inward faith!!
One point: Sacraments are works. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. That is pretty clear, so do not fault the Baptists on that count. The same goes for the Biblical holy days (feasts). We were to keep observing them, such as Passover, but they are not our salvation.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Which would mean that sacraments are faith, since grace is by faith alone. One could argue that an activity is not a work, but you can't argue that an activity is faith. A man can boast of always taking the sacraments. Saul certainly had that boast. His claim to fame was keeping the law better than most. We know how God dealt with Saul, and he finally received grace--not by all the times he observed the sacraments, but by his faith alone.
as a reformed baptist youve got me pinned down! great work by the way, and i have a simaler mission to take back the mainline church! the SBC in my opinion is the most conservative of the denominations, it holds to the essentials tighter than the others in my opinion, even if it over shot some of the secondary issues! but keep up the good work brother!!
Yeah, SBC's are conservatives, but as people are becoming more younger and elders are tightening loose to it, cause yeah I've seen people come and go, due to their behaviors sometimes. But its given, instead of being conservative, they should have choice to help them rather to judge or stick to unprogressive actions, without any heretical actions too.
“Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,” Acts 7:48 KJV “But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.” John 4:23 KJV
As someone who grew up evangelical free, and is now going to a Dutch Reformed college, I am not really sure what denomination I belong to or agree with most, after watching this video, I find that I agree with 75% or so of the “bad” things you listed about Baptists. (Although there definitely were some turn offs, (born again experience, celebrity pastors, once saved always saved etc…)
I was a reformed baptist but I think this video just changed my mind to become presbyterian..... omg. However, I wanna bounce off the topic of beauty. I just think idols can be made out of anything, and I distinctly remember loving the atmosphere and environment of church while still being a non-believer, and it was all an idol to me (didn't really encourage me to seek God). Once the beauty of church was taken away after I moved and had to go to a shabbier place, it all came crashing down on my head. I realized I never went to church for God but only the superficial things, which was mainly the pretty-ness of it all. Church, in the scriptures, always referred to a people and never a building. To those who really enjoy worshipping God in a historic beautiful church building, I have one question: Would you be able to fully enjoy praising, worshipping and hearing the word of God preached if all this external beauty was taken away? It's only if your answer is a resounding yes, that I think this beauty serves its purpose rightly. Not to mention how indulgences probably funded much of the spectacular catholic churches around the world..... Those are the reasons why I think beauty shouldn't be that important. The early church met up in homes, and their faith and worship was never cheapened by where they were, but what they were doing, and the posture of their hearts.
As a Baptist, I’ve heard from many High church believers think that having an ornate building with wonderful architecture is important for a church to have. However Baptist’s believe that the church building is just that, a building. The church, as in the building of a church, could very well just be a shack where other believers come together. In terms of language, Baptists believe that the word “church” refers to the congregation of people learning about Christ, not the building.
Yes, salvation is a one time very distinct event. The Bible compares it to an old man and a new man. All things are new. 2 Corinthians 5:17 and Ephesians 4:22-44
@javigomezlozano8185 if you find yourself constantly forgetting God, not wanting to serve him, or simply not living for him, you might want to 're-give' your life to Him
@Javi Gómez Lozano as a Baptist I've always thought that it's okay to not remember as a child. Events can be as long or as short as they need to be in my opinion, and as long as you believe you are saved.
@picarot.wos.here. Remembering a specific time that a change took place would definitely be a plus. But I don't think we all remember that time. Human brains aren't particularly good at memory. There are people in my church that know the exact date that they were saved. I on the other hand am not sure of the date. I'm certain it was a Wednesday evening in my early teens. But I have no doubts about my salvation.
Baptist here. It's not a conscious change. It's a spiritual one. You don't pray to get saved and then have a giant glowing neon sign above your head saying "I'm different now". The first time you said the prayer and consciously asked God for salvation is the day you should remember. Even if you walked away from the church for years, that was the day the seed was planted. No matter how many times you pray for salvation you only get saved once, and that is forever. So stop worrying about it and go build his kingdom! LOL😅
So question from a Baptist. Just to make sure I’m understanding this correctly. Do you think things like baptism and communion are necessities for salvation?
I'm a Baptist, and I'm mixed around all of this. You're saying a lot, but just about all if it is right (with exceptions for me like celebrity pastors) Biggest similarities are that our church is pretty small, and that I do not understand what church traditions are in the slightest. Kinda feels like a problem when I don't know what sacraments are
18:00 but the church is the people, we are the church. I agree a church (assuming it has the funds) SHOULD be beautiful and lift your eyes to the Lord as this is his kingdom and we should make his kingdom beautiful, but the building is not the focus, the worship is and the people are the church
Having read a lot on things like baptism and communion, I haven't found anything to tell me that they are requirements for salvation or anything other than outward shows of faith. When Jesus says to go save and baptize people, it's clear that you can be saved and also not baptized. I think personally as a baptist/non denominational follower, I prefer to lean on scripture instead of on what the church did in the past. I value different interpretations of the scriptures by those more knowledgable than me (which is a big crowd lol). I guess I'm wondering where some of these things like the sacraments being a means of salvation versus symbols come from. Does it come from your interpretation of the Bible or does it come from belonging to a church that believes a certain way due to history (not Bible related). Big fan of the channel and just subscribed after watching a lot of your stuff over the past few weeks!
The sacraments do something, but if they are part of what saves you that means that Christ's death on the cross and his resurrection is not the only thing that saves us, which would mean that we would be responsible for our salvation, and that takes much of the glory from Christ's sacrifice
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Baptist churches with a piano and hymns can be very beautiful. I agree it’s not a high church but I do believe simplicity can also be beautiful.
It absolutely can be... but I need the eucharist so that kinda settles it
I’m very high church Lutheran, and I agree for the classic/traditional Baptist churches!! But any church, regardless of denomination, where you feel like you’re at a Ted Talk or a concert? That’s just wrong.
As a Truly Reformed Baptist (most "reformed Baptists" are just Calvinistic Baptists but yes we do exist and Baptist does not contradict Reformed) I Agree that many Baptists overlook church History, but not the (True) Reformed Baptists that I know. We are more High Church than the average Baptist, and we care for it more then our regular Baptist brothers. We are good at not letting culture affect us, but us (true) Reformed Baptists do care about Church History and more definitely need too
So true! Hymns are so theologically rich-and who doesn’t love an old, slightly out-of-tune, honkey-tonk piano hammering out timeless classics?
That's my exact church and I love it. Hearing either one is such bliss
"You're Baptists with a smoke machine."
As a non denominational Christian I busted a gut when you said that.
What the hell does it mean to bust a gut
@@walkershippybro literally I was thinking that
@@walkershippy You laugh so hard, your gut busts 🤷♂
Depends on the non denom church lol, some are baptists with a smoke machine and some are pentecostals with a smoke machine - a former non denom
One thing that's important to note is that for a lot of churches, them being low church isn't really out of choice, but rather because of a lack of fundings. Especially in developing countries like in Asia for example. There's a lot of poor people where I come from, so we can't always have nice things. We thank to Lord for providing us with what we have even in times of persecution.
Good video, God bless you.
"low church" doesn't have to do with the way the church looks (although a church being "low church" will often express itself in the way the church looks) and more to do with the practice of the faith. Low Church means that they put little emphasis on ritual and liturgy, and more in personal faith and experience. High Church puts more emphasis on ritual and liturgy. Certainly personal faith and experience is incredible important to Christianity, however, being High Church myself, I certainly do believe ritual and liturgy are also important facets to the expression of our faith.
This emphasis on personal faith and experience IN the Low Church definitely comes out in the way the church buildings are constructed, with little decoration and "pretty" stuff, but there are also Catholic, Anglican, Presbyterian, etc. Church's that aren't beautified, but they would still be considered "High Church," as the emphasis within that tradition is on the ritualistic aspects of the faith, such as Baptism and Eucharist.
@@potatocreamsoup9003 i believe what the above comment was trying to say was:
if your church is in poverty, not like in america but like in other poor countries, things just cannot be done. do you wanna buy supplies when children are literally starving to death? nah,,
I am a Baptist and I find your videos most helpful in understanding my fellow Christians. As to the matter of Authority, clearly The Bible is The Authority. The Church; The Bride of Christ, is, clearly, important. But much of what, today and for the 20 centuries since its founding by Christ it has become to too many Christians what The Law had become to Jews before the arrival of Jesus Christ.
When He, said, as recorded in Matthew 5:17, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them." He was, implicitly, making TWO points: The Tradition and Institutions are important and must be recognized and maintained and the HE IS and will ALWAYS BE, the ultimate authority. Since He, Himself, did not leave any written record, then we have to rely upon the record created by those who knew him personally and their close associates and maintained by those who heard and responded to His call to serve and maintain those records, institutions and traditions.
He also made a number of other points along his path from that Manger in Bethlehem to The Cross at Calvary: "For where two or three gather together in My name, there am I with them. ” and "The same Lord is Lord of all, and gives richly to all who call on Him, for, Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” There's not a single mention of Sacraments here. There is, of course, the Last Supper which is the origin of what Christians, today, call 'Communion'. Baptists, obviously, recognize the importance of this ceremony and strive to observe and preserve it.
I fully support what you are doing with this important work and I hope that criticisms by those who have objections do not deter you from your mission. I actually believe that you are leading people to The Lord and growing The Church; adding to The Body of Christ. I'm looking forward to watching all of your videos and looking forward to those you produce in the future. May God richly bless you in this endeavor.
I’m commenting on this so I can refer back to this in the future. Very well said Bob!
Well said
Thank youu for this explanation!
His view on sacraments aren't that if you don't believe in them then you aren't saved. It's that they're important. Which is true. Jesus wouldn't have gotten baptized, had his disciples drink wine and break bread for nothing. It's meaningful. And US non denominationals do a horrible job most of the time at making it important. But thanks for what you said. Very well spoken
Well said! I agree! Let's all love and bring anyone who is lost to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! Amen!
Good video. As a Baptist, I hope we can take these criticisms to heart and mitigate the effects of those secondary matters you mentioned, such as beauty and classical philosophy.
God bless! I do have criticisms of Baptists but one thing that's great about them is how open minded they are and always willing to be convinced of stuff with scripture, so their issues are very correctable, unlike something like Eastern Orthodoxy which is extremely rigid
@@redeemedzoomer6053 what's your view on 7th day adventists?
@@averytameburrito3101they are heretics
@@redeemedzoomer6053 When your denomination is built upon lack of centralization and self-interpretation it makes it easier to accept other denominations. We have the least defining sentiments.
As a Baptist myself, one of the things you don’t point out that I love about my denomination is the huge emphasis on the Great Commission. There is a reason why many church plants today are Baptist, and not mainline Protestant. As someone who has lived in Utah my whole life, if it weren’t for Baptist’s very strong emphasis on the great commission, the Church here would basically be non existent. I will admit tho I’m pretty ignorant with the mainline churches history on the Great Commission, so that’s something I’ll have look into sometime. I do appreciate the mainline’s high view of communion/sacraments and the church building, so that’s defiantly something that’s convicted me and has left me open to not being Baptist. Appreciate the video! :)
I’m a Utah Non denominational/Baptist too
We say the great commission every Sunday in the Anglican Liturgy
@@noahhall358 Saying it is fine. Baptists do it (I am not a Baptist).
This is so true. We just got done with our missions conference at our church, and for a while, at the end of every service, our pastor would lead us in the reading of the Great Commission from the last chapter of Matthew.
The reason baptists (speaking as a Baptist myself) may not have more traditional or “beautiful” church buildings is because we believe that we are the church. That’s why fellowship is a big deal on Sundays because that is us being the church. We believe that the church building itself is just a building, it’s what we do with or in it that matters.
Amen!
Amen, just what i was thinking
Yep my church is not a church 99% percent of the time, it's used for many other thing and we just rent it 😂
I’m a Baptist and I agree that we tend to put too much emphasis on celebrity pastors. It does seem like it’s less of an issue in traditions that are more confessional.
As a Baptist I actually agree with you on the general "born-again experience" thing. I think a lot of more old school Baptist teachers can over emphasize it to an extereme. For me, growing up I never had a specific time that I remember having a born again experience, it caused me a lot of anxiety when some more old style or fundamental Baptist would talk about how you should have a specific time and day you remember. Since then though, I have gotten a lot of guidance from older members of my church that it is not a reason to question your Salvation as long as you have a relationship with Christ and continued scantification is evident in your life.
This is exactly my situation too. He was spot on in describing Baptist and that was something that caused some anxieties in my life. I still consider myself a Baptist, but I do have a lot of the same criticisms of the denomination that he does.
Same, I don’t have a specific time or experience but It’s a journey for me.
The thief on the cross didn't take communion or water baptism yet:
Luke 23:43
Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."
Yes the sacraments are essential to being obedient and they should not be neglected, but in regards to salvation it is through Christ alone.
amen
I was just gonna say that, and it's the same when the jailor asked Paul what he must do to be saved, Paul did NOT say, "Believe on Jesus and be baptized and take communion." Rather, Paul said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household" (v. 31). Thus, we see that it is faith that is the ingredient necessary for salvation. It was understood that one who believed would be baptized, but baptism was not necessary for salvation. If it were, Paul would have given it more weight in his missionary journeys (1 Corinthians 1:14-18).
I do not believe that Baptism saves you, but I will point out that Baptism is symbolic of being buried with Christ, and then resurrected Christ had not yet been buried or resurrected when He had promised the thief on the cross that he would be in Paradise ;-)
@@neckutter1125 yeah no I thought it was symbolism for your sins being washed away... Like it says in Acts 22:16 "And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name."
@@Lapegacorn I hear you, but then 1 Peter 3:21 Says "Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God [a]for a good conscience-through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" FOr me Baptism is so confusing. I just did it, in the understanding that a. I was told to, by the Bible, and 2, because of the remission of my sins I wanted to, and 3, as a public profession of faith.
Hey I’m a Baptist and I really like your videos! I agree with many of your points and I appreciate how respectful you were when “criticizing” us. I once went to a more traditional baptist church and to be one hundred percent honest it was the best church I’ve ever been to. Personally I don’t really follow the significance of a “one time born again” experience because I haven’t had one myself. Often when I go to church I have to evaluate what the pastor says and kind of apply my own perspective to it, because sometimes they really just state their opinions and specific interpretations of passages in the Bible.
See isn’t that the problem with being in a low church? If there isn’t a string organization with confessions or creeds the pastor at each church turns into the authority of biblical interpretation
@@Justin-yn5pylow church here. Let me see if i can help. here's a high church person looking for the authority again, lol. The only authority is scripture and God. Not the preacher, or the church. So people in low churches (hopefully) know that anything they read in the Bible takes precedence over anything the pastor says or the church proclaims. Also any legitimate low church is going to have a faith declaration on their website, where they specify the beliefs of that specific church along with any creeds they confess. Any low church that does not have this information publicly available on their website I would be very suspicious of and there's a good chance that they're illegitimate or some kind of cult.
Theologically I personally disagree to your points, but everything else is true and we probably should fix some of these issues. But, regardless, I enjoy your videos and your takes on God and Christianity and gives me a better mindset on it than it being closed off. Thank you, and God bless. Keep making these videos!
“Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
John 14:6
Not through the church fathers, through Christ and His Word
Without the church fathers you wouldn't know what books belong in the Bible
That's simply not true though. The church fathers acknowledge what books are in the Bible, but don't decide them. The decision of which books should be in the Bible could be made by any group of Biblically and Historically literate people. If you see what the books are that were "left out" of the Bible through a lens of textual criticism, you would be able to come to the exact same conclusion as the church fathers did. Even the more dodgy parts that we're unsure of (Like the end of Mark or the story of the woman caught in adultery) are marked in the Bible because it is so evident when something has been altered. The whole point is that documents are open to criticism, and we've compiled the ones that stand up to the criticism. The church fathers did a great job of sorting through it, but they didn't decide what stayed and what didn't; the Word of God stands out quite evidently from other documents on its own merit, regardless of who does the compiling. @@Triniforchrist
@@Triniforchrist yes, their job is to help spread the word, not be the word
Yeah, as a Baptist I will say, the reason we don't keep much church tradition, is because since we are human and sinful, so is our tradition within the church, and often times in other denominations tradition might interfere with Biblical theology. I also believe the Bible is not the only authority, but, ofc, it is the highest authority as you said. I don't even typically agree with a lot of Baptist theology. I believe the best way to have the best theology is to first do your own study of the Bible regarding that, and once you do see how it compares to other studies
THANK YOU!!!! You explained it perfectly.
Also, I interpreted tradition as symbolic, they're part of your faith in God, but not ways to save you. Also, Tradition is basically being conservatism that's why we kinda avoid having redundant tradition, but again its a double edge sword of an interpretation that we also have a little faith and works for it to work. But, FAITH is alone.
as a baptist, honestly I agree with most of this video. Honestly I have recently considered looking into other more traditional denominations. But I also agree that growing up baptist has encouraged me to focus on making sure I consistently read the bible every day and pray often and earnestly. I’m not sure how I feel about infant baptism because i still believe it should be a choice, but at the same time I “chose” at 8 years old so idk I might as well have just been baptized as a baby lol. Also i definitely agree about doubting my salvation, from 10-13 I severely doubted if I “meant it” when I got baptized. and then 14-16 I doubted if God even existed. and now at 17 after doing a full 180 I can confidently say that my faith is stronger than ever and now I really want to join a church with more community so I have someone to talk to when I have doubts and don’t fall into unbelief again.
I am a Reformed Baptist minister supported by Heartcry Missionary Society. I have prayed for you giving thanks to the Lord that he is raising up young Christian men even among liberal churches. May God bless your efforts! Your posts are very useful
Hey so I’m a baptist and the reason why I think we don’t really focus to much on the sacraments is because I feel like you can fall in to a trap that “you have to be baptize” that can make you think that the baptism is the way to be saved because it should be a commitment in your heart
Reformed Baptist here. While I disagree with Presbyterian infant baptism, Presbyterians don’t think that Baptism saves or that it can contribute to salvation.
@@garrettfornea1088that is what I thought also but it seems as if RZ implies this. Maybe I am wrong.
There are Lutheran sermons that literally begin with "Baptism saves." I think that the term "sacrament" implies "makes holy." That is why most Baptists never call them sacraments.
Ive been making aure to get a good 20 min of your videos on my way to work. Keeps my mind focused on theology and apologetics throughout the day.
As a raised baptist, I can confirm this is 100% accurate...
My parents used to go all over the place to check out different denominations and churches. We used to stay at a Baptist church for around 5 years, yet somehow, I had no idea that "celebrity pastors" were a thing.
nice vid comrade! i can agree as a baptist that i really really crave a church that teaches our theology but with more holiness, prayer and hymns. i really don't like how so many of our modern churches treat worship as something so flimsy. let us go back to the reverent hymns and solid theology that emphasises repentance and prayer instead of 'God loves you, anyways' thanks for the video mate
I've noticed a lot of this whole "nahhh it's fine I'm saved" attitude in the south US regardless of the protestant denomination. Or an attitude of "that's the old me the consequences shouldn't apply now that I'm saved"
I've attended a rural canadian evangelical baptist church since I was 8 years old. Until I found your channel I was more or less blind to the greater Christian world. You have really opened my eyes
Thanks for the video.
You put your views forward in a way that really respects other denominations but doesn't honeycoat the differences that exist. If could I put a word of caution on one thing, though, I would be careful not to use my own standard of beauty as the universal standard for beauty.
There is beauty in using a variety of instruments to praise the Lord, as the Psalms constantly repeat. Of course, there is also beauty that many may find in sticking to what has been sung by the church for hundreds of years. I grew up in a very conservative environment and I was the pianist for my church for some amount of months and years (forced by my parents). This caused a lot of stress as I was still pursuing lots of classes (again, forced by my parents) in school. Therefore, my association of conservative traditionalist worship was less of a set-apart beautiful thing to me and rather just a reminder of the next time I had to play for the congregation. That was my own experience which explains my preference to non-traditional styles of worship. I now attend a church that uses varieties of instruments and genres of music to praise God , and I find so much more beauty in that. But of course, other people who lived other lives will have other ways of interpreting various instruments and genres of music. For example, my mother associates drums with "rock concerts" and so her heart is troubled when worshipping with drums included as to her it is a symbol of worldliness. To me, it's an insturment, one of the many that we can use to uplift God's name in unified rhythm. This is a working example of how one's own definition of beauty is shaped by personal experience and cultural views that shift over time.
TL;DR I think acoustic guitars are beautiful and so are drums and etc. because they all make music that I enjoy, but it is understandable that other people may associate various instruments with various stigmas due to their environment growing up and therefore stick to only a small selection of worship music.
We should be kind to one another in being aware of these things. Many good folks I know that have a heart of gold but would classify the electric guitar as inherently demonic or evil. Even if I know there is nothing inherently evil about the electric guitar itself, what would be evil is delibaretly causing conflict by being ignorant of these people's recognition of the electric guitar as an icon of ungodliness. Anyway, hope that all made some sense. I have a bit of trouble being concise so I apologize for the lengthy read. I'ma go eat a sandwich now bye
4:40 "Catholics are always better at giving an intellectual defense of the faith... than Protestants." You are correct. If by "intellectual defense" you mean quoting historical figures, twisting Scripture, and relying on human reason. These were also the strengths of the Pharisees of the first century (see Matt 15:2, Matt 15:5, Matt 15:9). I do agree that a well educated Catholic is 100x better than the ill-educated, wishy-washy evengelicals running about. However, you must be spending your time in the wrong circles and reading the wrong books to think that the exegetical force of the Protestent defense is inferior to the tradition-quoting, Greek-philosophy saturated Catholic form of argumentation.
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I love watching your videos with my family! I thought it was interesting and confusing that you said you dont think Baptists have an intellectual faith or a good handle on apologetics. The SBC in particular has a large group of very well respected, very academic, widely read published scholars in church history, languages, ethics etc. I've found that Baptists have a deep and wide commitment to rigorous study and are very public about applying faith to current ethics.
So as a Baptist, I didn't even know what Sacraments were before watching your videos lol, thank you for informing on that. Also, I agree about the traditionalism and worship style. I tend to prefer old church buildings and churches that sing hymns (as well as contemporary) Interesting takes here!
If you don't believe truth matters, as the scripture emphasizes, you will leave Baptist and join something inferior. I am not a Baptist as there's no Baptists around here.
Same. Well, kind of. I had a Lutheran friend who taught what the two sacraments are. Baptism and communion. Baptists are credo-baptist and memorialist so not exactly "sacred sacraments"
And also, raised as a baptist, I was raised to learn that the church is sacred because we were with the essence of Jesus.
Listening to this confirmed i am indeed baptist even though i go to the non demonstrational Church. I did not know i was soooo Baptist. You kept hitting one belief after another of mine perfectly. These arent just beliefs that are loosely held. They are strong and deeply held. One area i agreed was your criticism of the rejection of philosophy and just saying "the Bible says so." I love Timothy Keller and how he explains the faith.
If you don't believe truth matters, as the scripture emphasizes, and believe all kinds of lesser things you will leave Baptist and join something inferior. I am not a Baptist as there's no Baptists around here.
If it weren't for reformed Baptist preachers, I dare say there wouldn't be a resurgence of reformed theology today. Most people I know including myself we're introduced to reformed teachings through popular reformed baptists, even through reformed Presbyterians have been around for quite some time and there are many Presbyterians churches all throughout the US. Baptists are just more evangelistic and don't get bogged down on the intellectual aspects of things I find and I appreciate that.
Also, as an independent Baptist. I'm not sure if you're aware, but reformed Baptist and independent Baptists are very different.
Yeah independent baptists are the reason that baptists are looked down upon lol
Cool video, I'm glad I came across your channel
Your church is gorgeous! The stained glass is beautiful. Pure art!
Wouldn’t it be cool if someone built the tabernacle, following instructions in the Old Testament? 😳
It has been done a number of times. For example, there's a Biblical Tabernacle in Pennsylvania. Look up those key words to see it.
If I recall correctly, Tertullian believed that the Eucharist was symbolic and Origen did not believe in baptismal regeneration, so to say that it was "completely unanimous" is incorrect.
Argument from consensus, in the past or present, doesn't mean very much because consensus doesn't dictate reality.
Beauty is everywhere, but more emphasized in OT & Middle Ages as it was the only place for the common man to see a particular type of beauty, the type created by man.
Origen did believe in infant baptism and Tertullian died outside the church. Origen also believed baptism forgives sin. Nothing like Baptist theology ever existed until later on in the Protestant revolution
Not sure how much you know about Baptist but in my church you have the single experience but it's not like an overnight change. You're still being sanctified every day. And everyday you just become more Christ-like. But the single point of experience is more commonly known to be the You become a Christian where you believe and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
So my question is this - I am a traditional, conservative, reformed Baptist. I believe in the historical importance of the sacraments, and I wish they were more prominent in the Baptist tradition. What is the difference between your membership as a conservative in the PCUSA and my conservative, traditional membership in the Baptist denomination? I agree with most of your criticisms of the denomination. I could make a similar list for the PCUSA. I admire your commitment to the PCUSA (tier list video). I have a similar commitment to the Baptist denomination. Aren't we trying to achieve the same goal in the Body of Christ?
Interesting, when I'm in Poland here the sacraments in Baptist church are called "the means of grace".
Im an Eastern Catholic but i love your videos. Keep up the good work!
As a baptist, this video really made me think about my beliefs. You are absolutely correct on pretty much everything, only things I disagree with is Calvinism and Infant Baptism. This was a great video, God Bless.
@user-ui8uk8ro5b Baptism doesn't do anything to save you otherwise Jesus' sacrifice is not sufficient for salvation. Calvinism decrees that God picked and chose people who would be saved and others who would not be, taking away our ability to chose to accept Christ's gift.
If you don't believe truth matters, as the scripture emphasizes, and believe all kinds of lesser things you will leave Baptist and join something inferior. I am not a Baptist as there's no Baptists around here.
As a Baptist i will point out that there are traditions that are practiced in many other denominations that have no biblical basis. Infant baptism, worshipping Marry and treating her as being anything other than a Godly woman chosen by God to birth Jesus, thinking that things like communion are literal and not symbolic (even though at the last supper Jesus used the wine and bread as symbols for his blood and body)
You made some valid points like the one about the classic "born again experience" when not everyone has that.
Theologically i cannot agree with you on several things because it would violate what i know to be true from reading the Bible and hearing the word preached from good men of God
Born again is interesting because it really depends on you being a terrible person beforehand. I heard someone say at my church a great line that I really like: "The best testimony is a boring testimony"
As a Baptist, I do not agree.
Anyway, have a blessed day!
As an Australian Church of Christ member, we joke that we are Baptist adjacent. Biggest differences are we tend to be smaller and more out reach focused, but theology is majority the same.
However we take communion as very important. We do not believe it is physically His flesh and blood, but it is very super important and should only be taken when you have given yourself to God. It is blessing and a ritual of rememberance.
We also do not have infant baptism, we have something similar called dedication where the parents bring the child before the church for blessing and swear to raise them with love and wisdom and to guide them to God. We sprinkle them as well.
Baptism, however, must be a choice of the individual. But it is not a symbolic declaration, it is a true baptism. Believe and be baptised. Don't be baptised if you don't believe. A baptism without belief is a bath.
I commonly see Catholic, Presbyterian, AOG, Pentecostal (the major one in my area) teens walk away from God as soon as they leave home. But kids who have chosen to dedicate themselves to God don't seem to do that.
So I guess this is a long way of saying there are some denominations out there with importance on sacraments and also adult baptism.
But we do definitely avoid ritualistic or symbolic actions common in non baptists, any we do practice are for closening a relationship with God as His people, or are directly mentioned in the Bible. We do tend to react hard "NO" to anything we perceive as 'like the Pharisees', adding extra rules and rituals over what God has declared, so you might still be right. I'm no scholar of Church history like you.
Also American Baptists feel extreme to me as an Australian. I'd love to see some investigation in how denominations with the same name are different around the world.
I am a pastor in a non-denominational church and we practice infant baptism.
I agree with the issue of worship, the overbearance of a celebrity pastor makes discussion less welcome, the neglection of reformed theology and church tradition, the simplification sacraments and being born-again to one particular moment. I would consider myself a Reformed Baptist. I would argue that the sacraments are a way of enjoying God’s grace. A blessing for the believer that sustains and empowers them in their Christian life. Most Baptists have lack of Church structure as a result of their lack of tradition, reformed theology, casual worship (It feels like a mockery of god), and Head pastor, that exhausted out the pastor and makes the church weak when the Senior Pastor leaves. The one moment Born-again has always bugged me because it feels emotionally driven rather than faithful, along with overdramatized worship. I believe worship should be beautiful, but not at the cost of exaltation of God. Also, philosophy is actually what brought me to Christ, because I was trying to figure out the meaningful foundation of morality of which I could not anywhere else other than in Christ.
I may disagree with many of your opinions, but you are a born again Christian who is using the gift(s) that the lord gave you to serve his kingdom, and I respect that. God bless
I've been thinking about this for a long time, and this was the final push i needed. I'm leaving the Baptist church. I'm going to look for a sound Presbyterian church near me.
I am a non denominational Christian who is as you like to say is basically Baptist. I will admit that it would be very beneficial to learn more about early church history. To learn in detail what the early church fathers believed, why they did so, to gain a greater understanding of its relevance today, and even why certain writings are considered part of the New Testament cannon, and others are debated on. I neither agree nor disagree with your statements on baptist theology as I am simply too ignorant. Can you recommend good resources to learn and investigate with?
Father's Know Best by Jimmy Akin
Im a Baptist but i agree on the sacraments to an extent i dont believe you wont be saved for not baptizing or not taking the lord s supper but i do think they do something spiritually and i agree with most criticism but i think faith saves and that is work of Jesus not us so we don t get to decide who is saved
See John 6:53-56
@@Nothere780 i remember this passage
Cradle Baptist trauma trigger warning; “Do you know that you know that you know that you’re saved?” This emphasis on the born again experience was always so problematic for well behaved children growing up Southern Baptist. You’d tremble with internal fear at the realization that you hadn’t ever been a drug addict or a drunkard or a gang banger who’d experienced salvation via a radical repentance & it’d leave you with the angst of not knowing if you’re baptism was genuine enough.
This is why I lead my children in the recital of the Nicene Creed, so that they may form a clear understanding of time tested Christian doctrine and the understanding that baptism is regenerative and necessary only once while repentance and penance is a lifelong pursuit.
Hey! Great video. You made some incredibly valid points about the Baptist church’s shortcomings, specifically the overt focus on pastoral theology and the negative effects of the focus on a one-time born-again experience. However I do have to disagree with your objections to baptist worship.
As someone who has been involved with both leading and participating in baptist and later “smokeshow baptist” as you would call it (😂) worship, I entirely disagree with it not being a sacred or set apart experience. Even in the CCM songs we sing, we are trying to create a sacred place for people to meet and praise Jesus by inviting the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is what consecrates worship, not the specific tradition. And while it does not match with the solemn tone of more traditional liturgies (which I can definitely appreciate, btw, I love the reverence within these traditions), the baptist worship service is meant to simultaneously celebrate the gospel, worship Jesus, and invite the Holy Spirit to consecrate our souls.
Also, since coming to college, I have gotten involved in some pentacostal groups, and what they do is seriously cool. With these guys I have experienced the Holy Spirit so much more powerfully than I ever did before, so I’d be interested to hear what you have to say about them!
Great video as always, thanks for sharing the kingdom on youtube! Peace
11:00 I think youre painting with a very broad brush here, I jave never heard of a non denominational or Baptist church that requires a powerful salvation experience for assurance
The apostles never said that baptism saves. Please tell me otherwise if you can, I try to be open. We Baptize as a symbol of Christianity and a testament of what Christ has done for us. The Lord's table is also symbolic and a bit traditional
I'm a Reformed Baptist. Far too few of us see the sacraments as a means of grace. Honestly, I'd probably be Lutheran or Presbyterian if there was a solid church nearby. I think a lot of your criticisms of Baptists can fit a lot of Baptist churches but man - that's a really broad brush you're painting with.
My father's family were ex-slaves from Texas and North Carolina. He always told me that when his grandparents moved to the Northeast, they were appauled by the "idol worshiping" of Irish and Italian Catholics. This is something my father talks about to this day, and yet he married a Catholic.
I consider myself a sort of "weird" Baptist. I actually agree with most of your criticisms of Baptists with regard to the sacraments and church tradition. Perhaps I diverge from the mainstream among Baptists for that reason, but there certainly is a (small but growing) minority who think similarly to me. Cheers to you for acknowledging that we exist! :D
Hey so can you clarify what it means that sacrements are a means of salvation. I still can’t grasp how baptism cleanses you when Jesus died on the cross. And how the Eucharist you take the literal body and blood of Christ. Because faith for me is just believing in Jesus and haven’t faith that he died for us and that we’re saved.
I am a Baptist, but I listen to and watch a lot of different teachers beyond my local church. (Lifelong Missionary) Dr. John Barnett, (Street Witnesser) Ray Comfort, Alistair Begg, Chuck Swindoll, (Apologist, Speaker's Corner Witness to Muslims) David Wood, (Reformed) R.C. Sproul. - - - Your channel has certainly shored up my knowledge of the other traditions and I am grateful for that. - - - Overall, I am of Barnett's teaching that we are saved by our faith in that Christ is The Lord and that he was raised from the dead. That because He breaths the Holy Spirit to superimpose onto us as the inner temple and wellspring of living water, as a result we have an internal desire (new operating system) to be convicted to do good deeds and sin mortification that lead to a trajectory of seeking sanctification, the speed of this process is dependent on the individual. Falling away would be a result of a total hardening of the heart, total abandonment and grieving the Holy Spirit to the point of being uninhabitable that Jesus warned about. A truly saved individual is always changed from the inside over time and would not commit toward permanent apostacy. - - - As far as the Sacraments go, we honor Communion as a very sobering and serious occasion at the 1st of the month. Because of what Christ had warned the 7 churches in Revelation, mortifying sin and not grieving The Spirit is very important to honor Him in that ceremony, for he warns of severe spiritual and physical illness of increasing intensity for unserious believers.
I don't have confirmation for my witness, but from the amount of denomination names dropped by his viewers. Yes, even Inspiring Philosophy; Michael Jones is a Baptist, he just wanted it to be private and he even had a video about it, but his viewers sucks and even me, that even spreads on what denomination he is under. So, yeah another intellectual person under Baptist
I’m a baptist and I love all my Christian brothers and sisters and I’m not saying all of the other churches are like this by no means, but sometimes I feel like the tradition makes the word of god of no effect like what Jesus said to the Pharisees. I don’t believe that a great church is necessary because the Bible says when two or three are gathered together in my name, sure I will be in the midst of them.
Amen!
Keep in mind in your KJV that “traditions of men” and “teachings passed down to us” come from the exact same Greek word. It’s your translators that make tradition a bad word. The Pharisees were corrected for bad tradition, not simply tradition
Disagree on the specific you refer to as the "experience " of being "born again". While a lot of what you have in this video is pretty spot on, Baptists are the denomination where you actually DO know you're saved...because it's belief in and reliance completely on Christ as cover for sin, because literally nothing you can ever do will earn you a spot. Because we all suck.
^^^ nutshell.
Any other belief system within Christianity has ambiguity, because it's based on performance and/or works. And then the proper internal motivation behind those. So you have that anxiety of never really knowing, no matter your performance level.
Baptists know, and it ain'tthem lol, nor anything they can do.. That's what makes them unique.
Baptists watching the beginning: *a win is a win*
I feel like 75% of these “bad things” are good things for me.
Kind of finding it difficult to understand the Eucharist but these quotes from C.S Lewis are helping:
“I believe that since He made us with bodies as well as souls, He wants to make Himself present also in our bodies and present by His Body”
And
“Holy Communion is one of the ways in which He gets His salvation to us. He is like water to a man dying of thirst”
Other than there being less sacraments, and the difference between adult and infant baptism, most of what you have said seems to be specific to American Baptists.
Alot of what you brought up is stuff we seen in American churches and go "What are they doing?"
Though Australian Baptists are hall marked by needing 18 sub committees to vote on having a committee to vote on changing the colour of the front hall curtains. So I'm sure my Church is full of its own flaws.
Your perspective is shared by we American Baptists. We give lots of odd glances at other Baptists, which is why most towns have multiple congregations. And we are direct democracy at its best and worst.
Hey bro, I'm a Baptist and I've always wanted to thank you for what you're doing... Until I heard the beginning of the vid, now I don't, you know them all already. I still feel like you're doing cool stuff though.
Have you come across "The Trail of Blood?" It chronicles the baptist "tradition" that claims an unbroken chain of sent out missionaries dating to before Luther, which is why some do not consider the sacraments as essential and do not consider themselves Protestants.
That book is false propaganda. Run from any pastor that recommends it. Not one group in that book holds to Baptist viewpoints in entirety
Yeah, that kinda baffled me. I have never heard that we have been Protestants for years, but they would rather say "Born-Again" and "Christian" being a Baptist their last trump card name. Even my Pastor doesn't even say that we are protestants.
And the only one who says that are Baptist Pastors and members that came from different churches that have a lot of church history on some sort.
1 John 5:13 says we can know we have eternal life by believing.
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Let me ask you another question since I’m curious about others views: If we truly have to observe the sacraments to keep salvation or maintain salvation, does that mean that the sacraments are necessary for salvation?
Perhaps I’ve misunderstood you, but it sounds to me like you are saying that one cannot be saved without the sacraments such as communion and baptism.
To me, that seems to contradict essentially everything Paul preached, which was salvation through faith alone. It’s my understanding that my Baptist church teaches that we are saved through faith alone (Eph 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10), BUT as James points out, works should come as a result of our salvation (“I will show you my faith BY my works”). Jesus also says you will know who is a follower of him “by their fruit”, meaning the “fruit” of good works are evidence of true salvation, not necessarily the means of salvation.
Paul also says we should not use salvation through faith as a license to sin. Why would Paul say that unless he truly believed that you could be saved through faith alone? To me, if salvation had to be maintained or kept going by sacraments, then Paul wouldn’t have needed to say that in one of his letters. Because if sacraments were necessary to maintain salvation, then Paul would’ve just basically said “Remember to follow these ‘ordinances’ or ‘sacraments’ in order to maintain your salvation so you don’t lose it”, but he didn’t.
So, I’m confused as to how that can be reconciled with the views of salvation being faith+sacraments. Hope I explained my questions well. Loved your history video btw.
Yes, any of the denominations that teach the "Means of Grace" doctrine believe that sacraments are the means by which you receive God's grace. They claim to believe that grace is a free gift from God... but then don't *actually* believe it. God will give His grace to whoever He so chooses. Period. And God chooses to give His grace to whosoever believes in Him. Salvation isn't through faith + sacraments or faith + works. It's through faith alone. A genuine faith will move you to a life of faithful obedience and a desire to do God's will, but the man on the cross next to Jesus never took communion, never got baptised, never did good works, etc. - he just believed that if he turned away from the world and towards Jesus, and cried out to Him, that Jesus would remember him when Jesus entered into His Kingdom. He just had faith. And faith was - and is - enough.
So to take some language out of a parable of Jesus (actually several, that of the sower and that of the fruit of trees), works are the fruit of salvation, while God's grace is what ultimately does give us new life in Him. But works and faith in God's grace are tied together and inseparable, (like you mentioned in James) because works are a sign of true faith in Christ and His sacrifice for us. Also there are multiple places in Scripture where it mentions God judging each one "according to their deeds". By that same token, the 7 sacraments of Baptism, Confirmation (Chrismation if you're Orthodox), Eucharist, Confession, Anointing of the Sick, Matrimony, and Holy Orders (the Priesthood), would naturally be a part of a practicing Christian's life, and they do give life when participated in. They are more than just symbolic, they are real. Some are participated in but once (Baptism and Chrismation), some not at all for some Saints (Matrimony and Holy Orders), and some regularly by all Christians (the other 3). Try them and see!
@@turkeybobjr the Bible never says you are saved by faith alone. The only times faith and alone are in the same passage is James where it explicitly says you are not saved by faith alone. The Bible clearly teaches baptism saves (Mark 16:16, John 3:5, Acts 2:38-41. Also we must receive communion (John 6:51-58, 1Corth 11:28-29). We are initially saved by faith through grace but we must continue in our journey of salvation and cooperation and participation in Christs body (church). Jesus left us a church not a Bible, the church is his bride and we must hold fast to his bride.
@@Justin-yn5py Matthew 15:1-9
@@turkeybobjr ok?? What does that have to do with the scripture I cited? Matthew 16 talks about Jesus establishing a church (singular) that the gates of hell would not prevail against. Do you believe the church has no authority? Let me ask how were the scriptures compiled? How did we get things such as the nicene creed? I would highly recommend reading about the early church. Some of the church fathers even knew the apostles and many of their beliefs may surprise you. I would trust their interpretations over some modern day Baptist pastor.
A good book I read on this when I was researching is called “When the Church was Young”. Highly recommended. God bless
Funny how you mentioned legalism when a lot of church history is seen as legalism by the baptists. However, emphasis on pastors and assurance in salvation is a big issue in the Baptist church
Yeah I love the beauty of the historical churches and hymns and would like to worship in a space that feels set apart in that way. Perhaps I should once just for the experience.
I found this very helpful1! I grew up in a non denomination church and I had no idea that other branches of Christianity did infant baptism. Thank you for the education!
I have left the Baptist tradition because of these reasons
1. The lack of interest in continuing the catholic tradition (meaning the fathers) which was the whole reason of the reformation.
2. The down playing of the Sacraments.
3. Very little desire to continue the Reformation theology. Those who are reformed baptist invent a new denomination who has an interest in the reformation but has very little common with it.
In saying that they are a passionate bunch that's a positive and they love the Holy Scriptures.
Didn't really grow up specifically baptist. I grew up in an Assembly of God church and I was raised under the impression that basically you follow the bible and especially the words of Jesus christ. Believe in Jesus and you are saved. No man, church, or priest can save you or absolve you of your sins. Jesus is the only answer. What do you think of this?
I strongly disagree that Baptists have weak assurance. Maybe this exists in spaces where fruit inspection is taught as proof of one's faith (I do not subscribe to this because of Romans 4:5), but OSAS and the authority of scripture is without a doubt the greatest assurance of salvation any Christian can have.
"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
Could you dive into the “mortal sin” topic you mentioned about Catholics?
Icl Zoomer's minecraft church is utterly gorgeous
As a baptist, I didn't even know what the lords supper was until I found these because we never did that at my church._.
Presbyterian pastors should look to widen audiences, not to become a "celebrity pastor", but to reach more people to edify, rebuke, and encourage! Hearing expository preaching can be helpful and I would love to hear more presbyterian sermons online.
Can you do a video discussing if/how/why early church met in homes (at least sometimes)?
As a 1689 Particular Baptist, I would like to note, that we began with the Puritans. Unlike many other forms of Baptists, we can trace our Roots through church history. I personally tend to take a view of the sacraments closer to what Voddie Baucham does.
I am a reformed baptist, and I am going to push back a bit on the conflation of baptists and reformed baptists in a lot of the video. It seems like much of your criticism (disconnection from church history, revolution over reformation, mere sign sacramentology, SolO Scriptura etc.) is directed at baptists who have abandoned their reformed heritage in favour of more of an anabaptist view of the reformation as a resurrection of the church rather than a reformed one. Also, a lot of your critiques revolve around the idea that a lot of baptists don't believe this or that, which could be applied to your tradition as well. Critiques of denominations should be based not just on lay level beliefs but rather on official teaching.
That said, a lot of your criticisms are ones I share of non-reformed baptists, which is why I am reformed. I wish there was a high-church reformed baptist congregation in my area, but alas, that's not in the cards right now.
When directly asked how to be saved, they said it was belief only.
Acts 16
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Agreed.
Peter explicitly told us baptism is not what saves us.
“The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:”
I do have to say on why we don’t do infant baptism or at least in my opinion why we don’t do it as a baptist , if you get baptized you have to profess faith in Jesus Christ, that he rode again on the third day and is a member of the trinity and when you are an infant you can not profess faith because you just don’t have the mental capacity yet
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Much love from a baptist --
Question, how are the sacraments a requirement for salvation when Jesus said to the criminal on the cross "Today you will be with me in Paradise"? The theif wasn't baptized, never took communion, and couldn't go facedown or do anyrhing else. Yet scripture tells us the theif was saved. Baptism is an ourward expression of your inward faith!!
One point: Sacraments are works.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
That is pretty clear, so do not fault the Baptists on that count. The same goes for the Biblical holy days (feasts). We were to keep observing them, such as Passover, but they are not our salvation.
It's a Baptist presupposition that sacraments are works. Presbyterians don't think sacraments are works, but means of grace.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Which would mean that sacraments are faith, since grace is by faith alone. One could argue that an activity is not a work, but you can't argue that an activity is faith. A man can boast of always taking the sacraments. Saul certainly had that boast. His claim to fame was keeping the law better than most. We know how God dealt with Saul, and he finally received grace--not by all the times he observed the sacraments, but by his faith alone.
If the Bible is the only infallible authority, how can you trust the other sources?
as a reformed baptist youve got me pinned down! great work by the way, and i have a simaler mission to take back the mainline church! the SBC in my opinion is the most conservative of the denominations, it holds to the essentials tighter than the others in my opinion, even if it over shot some of the secondary issues! but keep up the good work brother!!
Yeah, SBC's are conservatives, but as people are becoming more younger and elders are tightening loose to it, cause yeah I've seen people come and go, due to their behaviors sometimes. But its given, instead of being conservative, they should have choice to help them rather to judge or stick to unprogressive actions, without any heretical actions too.
“Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,”
Acts 7:48 KJV
“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.”
John 4:23 KJV
My church is a medium-church, but my dream church is a medieval-style one
Thanks much for this video.
What is confusing for Catholics is protestants say you don’t need to be baptized to be saved but we still recommended
As someone who grew up evangelical free, and is now going to a Dutch Reformed college, I am not really sure what denomination I belong to or agree with most, after watching this video, I find that I agree with 75% or so of the “bad” things you listed about Baptists. (Although there definitely were some turn offs, (born again experience, celebrity pastors, once saved always saved etc…)
I was a reformed baptist but I think this video just changed my mind to become presbyterian..... omg. However, I wanna bounce off the topic of beauty. I just think idols can be made out of anything, and I distinctly remember loving the atmosphere and environment of church while still being a non-believer, and it was all an idol to me (didn't really encourage me to seek God). Once the beauty of church was taken away after I moved and had to go to a shabbier place, it all came crashing down on my head. I realized I never went to church for God but only the superficial things, which was mainly the pretty-ness of it all. Church, in the scriptures, always referred to a people and never a building. To those who really enjoy worshipping God in a historic beautiful church building, I have one question: Would you be able to fully enjoy praising, worshipping and hearing the word of God preached if all this external beauty was taken away? It's only if your answer is a resounding yes, that I think this beauty serves its purpose rightly.
Not to mention how indulgences probably funded much of the spectacular catholic churches around the world..... Those are the reasons why I think beauty shouldn't be that important. The early church met up in homes, and their faith and worship was never cheapened by where they were, but what they were doing, and the posture of their hearts.
As a Baptist, I’ve heard from many High church believers think that having an ornate building with wonderful architecture is important for a church to have. However Baptist’s believe that the church building is just that, a building. The church, as in the building of a church, could very well just be a shack where other believers come together. In terms of language, Baptists believe that the word “church” refers to the congregation of people learning about Christ, not the building.
Yes, salvation is a one time very distinct event. The Bible compares it to an old man and a new man. All things are new. 2 Corinthians 5:17 and Ephesians 4:22-44
@javigomezlozano8185 if you find yourself constantly forgetting God, not wanting to serve him, or simply not living for him, you might want to 're-give' your life to Him
@Javi Gómez Lozano as a Baptist I've always thought that it's okay to not remember as a child. Events can be as long or as short as they need to be in my opinion, and as long as you believe you are saved.
@picarot.wos.here. Remembering a specific time that a change took place would definitely be a plus. But I don't think we all remember that time. Human brains aren't particularly good at memory. There are people in my church that know the exact date that they were saved. I on the other hand am not sure of the date. I'm certain it was a Wednesday evening in my early teens. But I have no doubts about my salvation.
Baptist here. It's not a conscious change. It's a spiritual one. You don't pray to get saved and then have a giant glowing neon sign above your head saying "I'm different now". The first time you said the prayer and consciously asked God for salvation is the day you should remember. Even if you walked away from the church for years, that was the day the seed was planted. No matter how many times you pray for salvation you only get saved once, and that is forever. So stop worrying about it and go build his kingdom! LOL😅
So question from a Baptist. Just to make sure I’m understanding this correctly. Do you think things like baptism and communion are necessities for salvation?
I'm a Baptist, and I'm mixed around all of this.
You're saying a lot, but just about all if it is right (with exceptions for me like celebrity pastors)
Biggest similarities are that our church is pretty small, and that I do not understand what church traditions are in the slightest.
Kinda feels like a problem when I don't know what sacraments are
18:00 but the church is the people, we are the church. I agree a church (assuming it has the funds) SHOULD be beautiful and lift your eyes to the Lord as this is his kingdom and we should make his kingdom beautiful, but the building is not the focus, the worship is and the people are the church
Having read a lot on things like baptism and communion, I haven't found anything to tell me that they are requirements for salvation or anything other than outward shows of faith. When Jesus says to go save and baptize people, it's clear that you can be saved and also not baptized. I think personally as a baptist/non denominational follower, I prefer to lean on scripture instead of on what the church did in the past. I value different interpretations of the scriptures by those more knowledgable than me (which is a big crowd lol).
I guess I'm wondering where some of these things like the sacraments being a means of salvation versus symbols come from. Does it come from your interpretation of the Bible or does it come from belonging to a church that believes a certain way due to history (not Bible related). Big fan of the channel and just subscribed after watching a lot of your stuff over the past few weeks!
The sacraments do something, but if they are part of what saves you that means that Christ's death on the cross and his resurrection is not the only thing that saves us, which would mean that we would be responsible for our salvation, and that takes much of the glory from Christ's sacrifice
Howdy i always just assumed you picked on us the most because we're your favorite
Would love a video on the Free Will Baptist denomination