The only part that rubs me the wrong way in this video is the dig you have about non-denominational buildings and what churches look like. The Church (upper case C) is set aside as holy, sacred, beautiful, and close to God. It is a community of believers and liturgical traditions. The church (lower case C) is just an earthly building where the Church happens to hang out. Large, grand cathedrals/churches are intimidating buildings, they're imposing, they are loud (visually loud, if that makes sense). And an unsaved person can very, very easily be scared away by such a thing. As someone who is on the shy-er side, even now as a Christian I do feel a bit of trepidation walking into these large, grand, beautiful buildings on the rare occasion I do. Am I feeling the weight of the Spirit? Maybe just the weight of my own social anxiety or sins? Unsure. But if my local church, a converted movie theater had looked like one of these, I would not have been saved. I would not have joined the church because a gorgeous cathedral is NOT a welcoming building to someone who has not already felt God's love and ascribed it to Him. It is hostile and intimidating, especially if you do not know you can trust and be welcomed by those within. It is a building where you know you will be judged, where you know the people inside see themselves as different from you. This is not an attractive concept to someone who is not already a Christian. Someone unsaved does not think being judged by God is an act of love and an invitation from the Spirit to change. They do not know that while Christians are "set aside" it is not in a superior way and that they are invited to be set aside as well. How can they be taught this if modern culture has conditioned them to see the big scary building as a hostile place? I am of the opinion that if your Church meeting in an old pizza hut causes at least more person to be saved than if meeting in a grand museum-looking building, that is a far better option. Trying to make a cathedral welcoming to strangers of the faith is an uphill battle.
I don't think a pizza hut church does cause more people to be saved than a cathedral church. I've heard countless stories of people being drawn in by the beauty of traditional Christianity
@@redeemedzoomer6053 That is fair, I'm sure some people have been drawn to the fancier parts of big churches. I can only speak from my own experience, and that says that a converted local business does more to create a welcoming air to strangers than a huge, expensive, beautiful cathedral. I'm sure some people are drawn in by the beauty of traditional Christianity, but I don't think those people would have been turned off the road by a less ostentatious church building. In a culture that teaches people to be suspicious and cynical of traditional symbols of Christianity though, I think it's more important to get people in the door than to show off how much money goes in the offering bag. Let the beauty of the Church be shown through the community, not how fancy the windows are.
Non denominational churches are like the spirit halloweens of churches and that probably attributed to why I kept going and was saved there as a nonbeliever who had a traditional catholic high school experience that undermined my individuality as a traumatized teenager. The point about the music too I also disagree with. One thing I did always resonate with from those masses was the easily singable earworm hillsong music the choir performed that I always found myself singing to even as a non believer. Now I sing it loudly in worship and I think that counts for something. It really is just a matter of preference and personal experience. Even if its unapologetically kitschy it has its place in evangelism. It’s very accessible and meets those who don’t have a religious background at their level which I think is invaluable. I don’t think churches ran by humans are immune to cultural influences of the times either nor do I necessarily think they were meant to be. Sacredness is also not limited to just aesthetics
Non-denominational churches are either baptist or charismatic (pentecostal). I think the region plays a large role. In the US, most non-denominational churches are baptist, in latin american countries like brazil they're mostly charismatic
I am a non denominational Christian but I dont have similar teachings from Baptist, But clearly I have strong influence of teaching, culture and tradition from oneness Pentecostal, Or charismatic background
Some Non Denominational Churches are really good. And it's good to not be stuck in flawed ridged traditions and interpretations of splintering denominations.
Non-denominational here, thanks for making this video, as well as your other denominational videos. I oftentimes didn't understand why people disagreed with non denominationalism. I can understand all of your points here. At the end of the day, I'm glad we can agree on the major parts of Christianity. God bless.
@DouglasGross6022 I don't disagree with him on any essential doctrine. Otherwise, he would consider non-denomonationals heretical. We consider each other heterodoxical, not heretics. Redeemed Zoomer is my brother in Christ, and that's that.
I have gone from being in denominational churches to nondenominational. We are tackling things in our community that the denominational churches won’t touch. They’ve even said so. We have a drug rehab program, we offer a sexual abuse/assault Recovery program, a depression recovery program and we’ve just started a ministry to single moms. I’m not seeing this done anywhere else in my area. So I’ll take the nondenominational Church who is working with people in the gutters of life. As we say, it’s all about Jesus.
This right here, Jesus didn't come for the righteous, He came for the lost, and we are to be His hands and feet here on earth. Fellow non-denom here. Our church does the same stuff, we do a LOT of outreach in our local community. We have counselors for mental health issues, we have a food bank, and we're only expanding. We house the homeless and work with them to help them get on their feet. We have a ministry to college students that's been very successful.
Interesting, I have a church who does similar things like that, its called Grace Community Church in Arlington, TX. They try to find solutions for their local community.
I definitely see the need for structural real Christianity. The institutions rn are so bad especially my methodist church I grew up in. We can fix it though.
@@Thedarkbunnyrabbit Yeah I think some non denom churches are bad because stuff like prosperity gospel can go unchecked. But I've also been to a non-denom church that left a denomination.
I've gone to non-denominational churches my whole life, and honestly most things you say are correct. While we can agree to disagree on most things, I want to point out 2 important things that I think make us make sense. You pointed this out too at 1:15 and it's that we try hard to get as many people saved as possible. We are Evangelicals after all. Because of that, being the far and above primary thing, most of these churches neglect most tradition. We are only focused on what will get atheists to stay and listen. Some to a degree that detriments the church, others to what I believe is a healthy degree. In short, I think our churches can be a little shallow because we are facing the world much more than other denominations who tend to face inward much more. The second thing is when you quoted what many of us say, "Christianity is not a religion, it's a relationship with God." It's a perspective thing, when you think of religion, you think of all of the beautiful things associated with it, but when an atheist hears that word, they think of all of these mindless (I know they actually aren't, this is the atheist perspective) rituals that have to be done, and all of these rules that have to be followed perfectly or you'll go to Hell. When we say that, what we really mean is something like, "You don't have to be perfect to go to Heaven. The most important thing is getting close to God and his people, then He will change you."
I respect your position, but the way you talk about the Church makes me feel that it exists only to convert the people of the world, whereas, in my opinion, it should be a piece of the Kingdom of God here on Earth and that it is the place where we should praise our God. Furthermore, when you read the Bible, especially the Old Testament, it becomes clear that our God places a lot of emphasis on the "form" of worship. There seems to be too much focus on being a place that attracts people who don't believe in God by making them more open to the gospel than a place where people who have accepted the gospel come together to praise God. At least that was the impression I got from your comment and that I also get when I look at the worship style of these churches. Furthermore, more and more I see that young people who are more open to seeking God are precisely looking for beauty, structure and roots in tradition, something that they are not finding in the world. Imperfectly put, I believe that the right emphasis should be to bring the Kingdom and Glory of God into the World and not to bring the World into the Kingdom of God.
@@pedroguimaraes6094 no I agree, I'm not saying that it's the correct or perfect way to go about it at all, I'm just explaining the thought process. I will however say that I don't know what youth you're reaching, but where I live, I find that my church isn't too jarring for my agnostic friends when they come. Obviously I've never invited anyone to come to a church like yours, so I don't know what their reactions are, but I've never gotten any negative backlash from it at least.
yeah.. it's kinda true. i dunno bout the theology of the sacraments still though. for now i keep baptism, and i'm on the fence with spiritual presence vs. memorialism
"...whereas non-denominational 'liturgy' if you can call it that has been described as a concert and a Ted Talk." As someone who attends a non-denominational church this is freaking hilarious and pretty accurate in our case XD
So the reasons I AM Non-denom are 2 fold. The main reason is that I'm pretty new to the faith and don't know enough about theology to make an informed opinion about which denomination I think is the most correct, and I've never really been the type of person to just accept what others tell me is true. The 2nd reason is that the church I started attending is Non-denom and I love it. My pastor is awesome, the community nice and supportive, and I've made a lot of friends there. I don't really want to leave it.
@Florida Man In the end, God is most important. Like I said, that was only a secondary reason. When a time comes that I feel like I have enough knowledge to properly choose a proper denomination, I will go to the appropriate church
@floridaman318 this is an unfair question. OP is enjoying church and connecting with God. They should be able to enjoy the experience and make friends
This was an excellent video. Thank you. As a Nondenominational Christian, you helped me appreciate many Chruch aspects I haven't fully considered. I ALWAYS find a Bible-based fundamental church, so natrually many of the churches I attended were denominational.
"The difference between you and me is that I just believe the Bible and you just blindly follow the tradition of your denomination." That's what I used to believe while simultaneously not knowing ANYTHING about what various denominations and traditions actually believed. What a fool I was. Proverbs 18:13
I was raised non-denom, and had the same experience. Ironically, I was the one blindly following the traditions of American Christianity, whereas the mainliners I know are far more discerning and intelligent about their faith.
@@calebneff5777Such is the danger when laymen minister unto others. He is very entertaining, though, and possesses a good way of spreading the gospel.
I've now commented two kinda critical takes on your videos so I kinda want to balance those out by saying I really appreciate the way you approach this channel. Your points are very well laid out, your delivery is very clear and understandable, and you speak in a way that encourages discussion and deeper thought. Even if I'm talking into the void of youtube comments, I have genuine fun thinking about the topics you bring up and thinking about my own faith and the reason that certain things make me want to respond. So thank you! Please keep making videos, even if I disagree on topics I do still like them!
I'm an atheist but man this channel is pure gold. I've always wondered about the many christian denominations, since i've only had contact with catholics and luterans so I always assumed there weren't that big of a difference in the denominations themselves. Keep up with the good work!
I technically attend a non-denominational church, but we don’t label ourselves as “nondenominational” we just call ourselves a Christian church, we simply follow Christ. We have our own traditions, and we still respect all denominations, only if they don’t contradict anything in the Bible of course. And while we see a personal relationship with Jesus as very important, we also see things like evangelism, and the church itself very important too.
I am non denominational but I do not hate you for giving your opinion, it's your opinion, so I'm not gonna hate you for it, I respect other people's lives and beliefs, as long as you do not push them onto me, cause I believe jesus said to love thy friends, family, and enemies, and even if that is a bit of a challenge for me, I still do it because I have to, I believe faith in jesus christ is the only way to get to heaven and the father alone, no good works can come close to getting into heaven, all our good works, god only sees as filthy rags, and nothing more, and yes christianity is not a religion it is a relationship, a "religion" is man made, christianity is a godly made thing, you use the word religion alot like it is the most important thing than Godly made things, and those rituals in "christian denominations" are not godly made considering the work has already done by jesus christ, like I said we can never do sooo good in this life to earn salvation, salvation is earned through faith and faith alone.
Of course nondenominational churches won’t have hospitals and universities…. The other churches had a head start by hundreds and sometimes well over a thousand years. This was a silly criticism
i used to go to a hyper pentecostal megachurch and recently just made the change and i was between a Reformed interdenom church and a non denom church. ultimately chose non denom church (bc of logistic and movilization) but what i like its how non-separatist my church is. like sometimes an anglican pastor preaches, sometimes an invited pentecostal preaches, bc at the end we’re all the body of Christ and we all need to unite (this weeks sermon was all about unity and fighting for the church in these trying times)
My dad is a pastor and our church is non-denominational, but he's pastored at Baptist churches his entire life before coming to the one we're at now. When people ask me which denomination we are closest to I say Baptist for simplicity, but in reality we are just modern puritans. Incredibly traditional and pretty much one to one on puritan theology. Edit 1: (Just got to the part where he mentions the 1689 confession) We hold the 1689 confession in SUPER-high regard
Well 1689 is purely Baptist, not Puritan. Puritans believe in infant baptism and real presence in the Lord's Supper. Puritans are just Presbyterians with Congregationalist church government and simpler worship
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Thats true, we used to joke when we were younger that we were just low-church Presbyterians that dont baptize babies, which is what the earliest baptists were. We have more in common with puritans than a lot of southern baptist "mega-churches"
In fairness, there are reasonable grounds to oppose denominationalism, and that is enough to distinguish nondenominational folks from baptist folks. I’ve been to baptist churches, and the occasional KJV-onlyism, membership requirements, closed communion, and/or Landmark Baptist views are annoying. There’s a general atmosphere of “we’re the only church that counts, and we don’t really want to fellowship with others” that thankfully isn’t shared by nondenominationals. At its best, nondenominationalism is the ultimate ecumenical mindset. Not saying that makes nondenominational churches better than Baptist or anyone else. Just saying that the rejection of tribalism is important to a lot of people. Edit in response to the video: I believe the sacraments are necessary and have a role in salvation, and I’m nondenominational. I’m also amillenial and I don’t believe in once saved always saved. There’s a fair amount of diversity among nondenominationals. Edit 2: Saying that nondenominationalism is contrary to unity is like saying being a political independent is contrary to unity. Rejection of tribalism isn’t necessarily rejection of unity. I agree that it would be nice to see more cooperation (but not hierarchy) among nondenominational churches, however.
@@Justin-yn5py I did join Christ’s Church. As did many of my Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Anglican, and Orthodox brothers and sisters, among many others. I’d just as soon say those are different Churches as I’d say the church at Galatia and the church at Corinth were from different Churches. In every case, God is the head of the Church, not man. Edit: to view the New Testament teachings about the Church (singular) as a denominational label is deeply anachronistic, unless you’re supposing that denominations were already fractured during the time of the New Testament’s writing. Moreover, if you’ve studied the church fathers as much as my Catholic friends (which I assume you have - I respect your denomination’s zeal for church history), you would know the Catholic Church didn’t closely resemble itself throughout history. The era of immersion baptism, and the era of crusades/indulgences, and the modern era all have notable difference that would be denominational differences had they been contemporaneous with one another.
but if you see the sacraments as a means to salvation then you’re adding works as part of being saved and we are only saved through faith, not through our works. I think they’re important to do but not necessary in order to be saved.
The reason I have been non-denominational is that I have never found a denomination I have completely agreed with, and I never wanted to say that I was a part of one and then be associated with all the beliefs including the ones I don't agree with. But watching this video and hearing about the cruciality of the unity of the church and the kingdom, I think I'm gonna start trying harder to find a church and denomination that I can truly be a part of so that I can start fighting for a stronger cause both for God and His Kingdom on earth. So that instead of being an independent grain of sand on a beach, I may become a brick united with many of my own to make up a castle. (edit: one thing that I'd like to point out is that I believe that baptism is better when you are mature not because baptism isn't important, but because you have more of a choice to do so rather than just being forced, even if it's the right thing to do, it should be a matter of the person's choice.)
This is how I’ve felt about associating with “non denominational”. But I’ve been doing a lot more research lately and then this video came up and I can’t really say with confidence anymore that I can just associate with being non-denominational.
The thing is, I think non-denom is essentially pushing for the entirety of Christianity to be a united brick. What I mean by that is that naturally, people aren't gonna agree on every single minor detail. So expecting "unity" to look like everyone being expected to just agree, is not gonna work. I believe that "unity" means working together through disagreements and using those disagreements as opportunities to learn. I think non-denominationalism has the potential to be the most unified, because, if done right, it's an environment where everyone is free to share their theories and have them discussed. Denominations feel like tribalism within Christianity, or politics, where you're expected to just choose a side and then go along with whatever they say. I think as Christians it would be better to view unity as like a mosaic, where we come together while having different opinions, cultures, etc, rather than to view unity as requiring homogenization. If we need to all agree on the details to be unified, we'll never be unified.
Bruh. You could have just had the first eleven seconds of video and said "Because Non-Denominationals don''t build *this.* EDIT: OMG, your video was exactly that.
Non-Demos have the wrong interpretation of the Bible. Bible is the final authority for the Church (sola scriptura), but one which must be interpreted through tradition derived from faithful interpretations of Scripture that is authoritative in our interpretation (e.g. first three ecumenical councils and the Patristic tradition), which is a position consistent with Reformation Fathers such as Luther and Calvin.
@@CYC_JP Thanks for your pre-recited response, but I don't remember where Jesus commanded this to be the way, nor do I remember Paul or even Peter saying this. I do however, know they often spoke about the Word and the Scriptures, so me and my church will base our lives off the Scripture, and let y'all give an account for how man's traditions are more sacred and more authoritative than the words of God Himself.
Non-denominational churches don’t have to answer to anyone. There isn’t a higher governing body to hold a church accountable; it’s so much easier for pastors to form a cult of personality and become the much maligned “celebrity pastor”. There are much fewer Presbyterian and Lutheran celebrity pastors compared to Baptists/Non-denoms, in part because it’s easier for the former to be held accountable.
wooo! non-denominational representation! love it. i enjoyed this a lot. there were several thing that you said non-denominational churches often do/say/believe that i personally dont, and that i am pretty sure my church wouldnt either, but i do conform to a lot of the theological points that you ascribed to non-denominational churches.
one of the most frustrating things to me is the rejection of science within my church. and the thing is, i see this WAY more in the congregation than in the leadership. i dont think its a pastoral/leadership issue, i think its a communication/critical thinking issue
If the sacraments save then the theif on the cross is burning in hell even though Jesus said he would be with Him in paradise. Same thing with the woman that said she wanted some of the crumbs that Jesus meant to give to the Jews. It is blasphemous to claim the sacraments save. It clearly contradict grace.
I actually think it's people like you who absolutely obsess over denominations that are furthering the divide and splintering the church. Non denominational churches are more than happy to help each other out, be Bible-based, led by the Spirit, and follow in Christ and the apostles footsteps through the gospels, acts and the epistles. You guys who make new acronyms each week to label yourself something new and only stick with your own denomination, focusing so much on differences rather than a universal body - that's the issue here. You are the very thing you preach against here. You also severely confuse the definition of the Body of Christ as the universal church, made up of thousands, if not millions of individual churches, and the definition of the local church, which can and should absolutely be different from each other - not in theology, but in context to the local culture (e.g. a younger congregation vs a musical congregation vs a reformed bike gang congregation - all going to have different needs for the teachers, pastors and apostles to address). Infant baptism is never once mentioned in the Bible. It is unbiblical and just strange, to be honest. New believers, once they had accepted Christ, were baptised. How can an infant accept Christ? Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him. 36 As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch *said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” 37 And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” 38 And he ordered that the chariot stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he kept preaching the gospel to all the cities, until he came to Caesarea.
Fellow non-denoms, who else wants to go conquer a pizza hut for the glory of God? (we will use the smoke from cooking pizza in our worship) For real, this channel has helped so much with my reversion to the Faith and to fill my desire to learn more. Keep up the good work and never stop spreading the Word!
While the “Baptist with a smoke machine” thing is a good joke I do think it’s misleading. There is one large but important difference between baptist and non-denominational that I think you’re missing. Baptists believe in the believers baptism, meaning that you MUST be baptized to join the church, whether that is by the church itself or by a previous church in a way the current one approves of. The vast majority of Non-denominational welcomes all, regardless of belief, baptism etc. The argument is typically that the gospel (being that non-denominational tend to overwhelmingly focus on the New Testament) will reach more people this way. Otherwise though you’re critique is fair, most are very similar.
There is nothing like denomination or non-denominational in the bible so you are very wrong. Christianity is not instituitional. It is not an institute, it a gathering of people with one goal - seeking Yahuah & his kingdom first. And about tradition, tradition was greatly spoken against in the bible by Yahusha. We are called to unity like you said, but through only one person - Yahusha, our Messiah. Denomination, non denomination, tradition, protestant, catholic they are all man-made names.
Jesus spoke against the oral tradition of the Pharisees, who added rules and often contradicted the Law of Moses. But he himself was a knowledgeable Jew who practiced the Jewish customs/traditions that were rooted in the old testament and several times he encouraged people to do the same (when for example he healed someone and told him to present himself in the temple and make sacrifices). I agree that the Church is not an institution, it is the people of God. still, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be institutionalized. The problem arises when we idolize our institutions and do not place them in a subordinate position to the Bible (the mistake of Catholics, but which historic Protestants sought to correct with the idea of a "Reformed Church always reforming itself according to the Scriptures").
I'm non-denominationalist but I get where the concerns are. In my experience, there's two kinds of non-denominationalist Christians: 1 - people who are non-denom because they just want to seek truth, and listen to any other Christians for wisdom and compare various understandings rather than just sticking to what a specific denomination believes, as to get a rounded belief where each aspect and interpretation you believe, comes from hearing all the different sides and comparing their evidence and reasoning. While being willing to be challenged by all other Christians on these beliefs, iron sharpens iron. 2 - People who are the exact opposite, and are non-denom because they just want to ignore scripture and other Christians and just do whatever they want. As for the concerns about unity, I think non-denom is pushing for Christianity to be a unified. What I mean by that is that naturally, people aren't gonna agree on every single minor detail. So expecting "unity" to look like everyone being expected to just agree, is not gonna work. I believe that "unity" means working together through disagreements and using those disagreements as opportunities to learn. I think non-denominationalism has the potential to be the most unified, because, if done right, it's an environment where everyone is free to share their theories and have them discussed. Denominations feel like tribalism within Christianity, or politics, where you're expected to just choose a side and then go along with whatever they say. I think as Christians it would be better to view unity as like a mosaic, where we come together while having different opinions, cultures, etc, rather than to view unity as requiring homogenization. If we need to all agree on the details to be unified, we'll never be unified.
I’m a member of a non-denominational church and I really want to try to convince my church leaders to adopt a Calvinist view of communion. Quarterly communion pains me so much.
I'm in the same position, recently my church even switched to doing communion on Sunday nights instead of monthly on Sunday mornings. I don't go on Sunday nights so that took away my opportunity for communion
@@Justin-yn5py Thank you, I do admire that about the RCC, although I believe there are other doctrinal positions that exclude the RCC from my consideration. I'm returning to college soon where I'll attend a traditional presbyterian church so I'll be good
“Nuance” is not an excuse for contradiction. If you believe that sacraments are necessary for salvation, then you do not believe that faith *alone* saves.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 There is only one truth. Faith alone literally means only faith saves you. If you think something other than faith also saves you, you do not believe faith alone saves you.
Lemme push back on that. There's no contradiction between saying "faith alone saves" and "Christ saves". I'm sure you already know that. There's no contradiction between saying "faith alone saves" and "being born again saves".
I think it's best to be a true bible believing christain/follower or disciple of Jesus, u don't need to put a label on it such as protestant, Baptist, catholic etc
Exactly! I think all these labels and denominations are products of division. As Christians, we are all supposed to walk in unity, love, and humility. We are one body in Christ. Of course we're not all going to agree on everything, but our lifestyles (traditions and all) should align with biblical teaching, not the other way around.
I would love to go to a church that looks like an old cathedral and plays old hymns (although I do like some of the contemporary music). But it seems like those churches are all either Catholic or woke (or both).
Lol, the reason why I say I'm non denom is primarily because I don't know much about denominations. You could say I'm smooth brain on topics like this.
I grew up non-denominational and I can’t agree with you more on what you said here. it’s spot on accurate and is why I no longer associate myself with that denomination
@@toweringhorse2054 Where did you even find that image? Reverse image search says it's a crop from a hentai. Bro, looking at your uploads rn. You seriously need to repent.
Indeed. I believe I got it from a cropped image, likely from some sort of hentai. Recently rediscovered my faith and making strides to get better. Most of that stuff is from 2016. But you’re right. Really need to get on the right track. Thanks for the nudge
I'd like to offer some pushback/critque (as some who isn't non-denominational) on some of your points, for the sake of discusssion amd because I appreciate your content I don't think using genealogies as an argument in favor of holding more firmly to tradition is a particularly strong arguement. In the case of Jesus' geneaology I think their inclusion is primarily to show that He fulfilled the prophecies concerning the messiah and was uniquely qualified to be King and Messiah to not only the Jews, but the rest of the world. I think it also emphasizes the character of God as a trustworthy, faithful, omnipotent, and omniscient being who concerns Himself with the lives of His creation. Not to say there isn't a scriptural arguement to promote tradition (there definitely is), I just don't think the geneaologies are the best way to accomplish that. Further, I'm not sure the 'Objective Beauty' idea was convincingly put forth here either. I'd wholeheartedly agree that God is the ultimate standard of beauty, as well as the ultimate source of it. However, I don't think that using human beings stating subjective opinions on something is the best way to show it as objectively beautiful. It seems true that many people would say that traditional Christian hymns are beautiful, and it's undeniable that most choirs' repertoire is saturated with hymns, but this still seems to me that a human metric is being used. It may be that people from more Eastern traditions not using our same scales and harmonies may not find it as pleasing as those of us who are familiar with it and understand that's how music "should" sound. Or they may find it beautiful too. I don't know. It varies person to person, and that's my point. Even though the vast majority may agree, it still seems that there is room for personal preference and therefore subjective. These indications of beauty are valuable, and hint at objective beauty, but are still more types and shadows. I think that since God is the standard and source of beauty, I think that evaluating things in light of how well they honor or point to God is a more comprehensive way to show beauty is objective. When Jesus was anointed by the woman at Bethany, He said that it was a noble thing, despite the disciples and others gathered there expressing disgust or criticism. God says that He looks at the heart, and Jesus' teachings clearly indicate that our motives carry just as much weight (perhaps even more) than our actions do. I think the best example of both subjective and objective beauty being expressed in conjunction is Bach's music. His arrangements echo the structure and order of an intentional, creative, intelligent God, and He dedicated them to the glory of God. Further, they are generally agreed upon to be masterpiece works of art that are aesthetically pleasing to listen to. In my opinion, if his pieces were purely secular, they would retain their subjective beauty yet carry no objective beauty. Conversely, if his pieces sounded like they were arranged by an infant who screeched into a pipe organ, but were sincerely dedicated to the glory of God in hopes that God would be honored and exalted by the frail workings of a frail man, I think they would retain a degree of objective beauty (however feeble and clumsy) while being simultaneously devoid of subjective beauty. Anyway, those are just some rambling thoughts I had in response to some of your points. I really appreciate your channel, and the Kingdom work you're doing. One of thw teens at my church heard me listening to one of your videos and said 'oh I just listened to that yesterday' and it made me so stinking happy and excited. We've been trying to equip them with as many tools as possible and I'm glad your content exists. Keep up the good work brother, and God bless you!
Do churches really need to look different as in more temple/majestic looking or is that a preference? Thinking about Jesus and how he said he would destroy the temple and rebuild it in 3 days, it makes me think that he was less concerned with the actual building and more with the church he was building through him. Does a building really “need” to have a specific look?
@Dave Diaz I’d argue yes. We have to remember that Christ is our king, and we should treat him as such. It is a show of reverence and love for our lord to try our best to build our churches to be beautiful.
I don't think so. It's very nice to have very nice things, but it's not necessary. The bible says seek first the Kingdom of God, delight in his Word, meditate on his law day and night... Do all these things and the result will be the desires of our hearts, our physical needs provided for and, ultimately prosperity and stability here on earth. So, when God provides us with a big ol' beautiful church as a reward for our steadfast pursuit of his kingdom, Thank Him. But it's absolutely not necessary to have a building that looks like a church for it to be a church. Many mainline churches look like churches but their hearts are not with Christ, unfortunately. It's better to focus on the inward than the outward appearance, as the bible tells us so often.
One gripe I have is saying contemporary music is subjectively bad. I mean I get it. Trust me I do, I despise Hillsong as much as the next guy but contemporary music as a term or even a group of music is so broad that just claiming it's bad strikes a chord with me since I do know about a lot of contemporary songs which are objectively good. Also all contemporary music isn't Hillsong. All that aside I do think there is room in christianity for contemporary music. I think that we can have a separation of christian songs to be sung in church and ones to be sung or listened to outside church. I've heard many gospel (the genre) songs sung or listened to by christians outside the church that are never sung inside church. My ideal view is that chants, hymns and more beautiful and traditional sounding contemporary music should be sung inside church. While more modern Hillsong like contemporary music could be listened to outside church similar to how one would listen to a secular song.
at one point i was nondenominational... who knows i still may be, i'm kinda stuck to it cuz the rest of my family is part of it. i was the kid to sit through the service and go through with the motions. i serve for the media team and play keys for the youth (teenager's) worship team; we're a bigger church in our area at least. yesterday i felt super depressed. had been for a while now, and i was bored and didn't feel like doing anything after church. i thought, maybe i'll listen to worship. this time i didn't look up hillsong or maverick city, i searched "hymnals". i found a neat playlist and listened. before i knew it, i felt a few tears. i began singing the words out in my head (it was later at night so people were sleeping). at that moment i felt i could actually worship, not like i was listening to a band play in a concert. i felt useful for once. i never felt like i had any use in the kingdom of God because i couldn't feel comfortable worshiping Him, but i felt different at that time. so what am i now? i think more baptist. i still believe in the spirit's power, but not in an emotional way like most charismatics do. i don't think anyone can just speak tongues... it's a prophetic gift. our "worship" shouldn't be about us... so why do we sing about ourselves? why do we repeat the same bland bridge with no meaningful lyrics twelve times? it's like repeatedly shoving food down a baby's throat, hoping they give in and swallow it. praise to God is through our songs of praise to Him only, our deeds unto others who are His creation, and honoring ourselves who are joined heirs with Christ. not an album called "My Story" with five 10 minute songs each singing about how happy you are cuz God solved all of your problems. worship is a celebration of the One who solved your problems, not the feeling you get from them being solved. mr. zoomer, i will say that you've done me a great deed in opening my eyes to other possibilities of the Christian faith, and because of that i feel a lot more confident in myself. i thank you for that. may God bless you. (note: i'm EmeraldCraft34 that was on the server. haven't been on in a while, but i'm going to try!)
God bless you. Never feel ashamed of feeling spiritually empty listening to offensively bad music when there is so much great sacred music written to the glory of God
Leonardo Torres has a lot of videos of him reacting to Hillsong and other contemporary worship songs as a non Christian and he is literally crying saying how beautiful it is.
As a Non-denominational Christian, I agree. I believe that Protestants, Historical or Non-denominational, show adhere to the basic traditions of Protestantism. To me, a "true" Non-denominational church would be a Protestant Church, that practices more traditional aspects of Protestant Christianity, but does claim a particular denomination. Essentially, a Protestant church, with more traditional/orthodox beliefs on the Sacraments, worship music, etc. but doesn't claim to be a part of any denomination. This is why I like to call myself an Apostolic Protestant, as because I am a Non-denominational Protestant, but I have a more Catholic/Apostolic leaning theology.
13:45 thats not universally true. At my baptist church the Pastor is no-nonsense about communion. He quotes 1 Corinthians 11:27 and warns about the danger of taking it lightly or insincerely before allowing people to come up.
Infant baptism is so strange to me. Your family doesn't make you a Christian. It's a problem if you think you are a Christian just because you have a Christian family. Non denominational here :)
A Jew that was born in Israel was circumcised by his parents as a baby and was considered part of the people of God (the Church). Likewise, Christian parents should baptize their children. Baptism, despite not saving from the Presbyterian perspective, is an important means of grace, a visible act that generates invisible blessings, so that baptizing the child as a baby is something that should be desired by parents. When her son turns 18, she must still make her public profession of faith to become a communicant member (and be able to participate in the Lord's Supper). Historically this was clear to the Church Fathers and Presbyterians, Anglicans, Methodists, Lutherans and Congregationalists have historically done so. Just Baptists, Pentecostals and non-denominationals that don't.
I really like how you don't just say what's wrong about the different denominations, but actually say what they don't do as well. Like, your criticisms are about things that are very changeable without damaging the integrity of the different denominations.
100% understand what youre saying. Still gonna stay non demoninational but i still love your content and how you set up yourself. Maybe im in a reformed christian in a non demo disguise;)
Say what you want about non-denominational 'smoke machine' churches, but they are filled with insane amounts of very firm believers, especially young people thanks, in part, to modern music praising God and k-pop dancing for jesus. They adapted to the culture and that is why they are on the rise. Is that good? I would say it is. For example, Golden Resurrection brought me back to christianity.
I think you missed the fact that nondenominationals promote not just your relationship with Jesus, but encourage you to give a heart to know Him, acting on and heeding the scripture. And this is what we take with us to every institution we operate in- work, school, hospitals. Acting in alignment to our Faith and encouraging others to do so. And there are non denominational chains that have a broader impact on communities through the wide spread of their members, education opportunities, and a Christ centric focus. Mark 6:4 “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his own relatives, and in his own home.”
While I respect a lot of what you put forward in your videos, you are presenting a far too simplistic and in some ways erroneous view on interednominational/nondenominational churches here. The church I go to, for whatever reasons they are, have gotten more missionary work (both home and abroad), more community service, and more activities supporting Christian education, discipleship, and community support for everyone from teachers to law enforcement than any denominational church I was ever a part of. Also they have brought Denominational churches to the table, and the entire Church community of my city is much better for it, and are doing much more. While I can understand where you most likely got your views, please understand that nondenominational is much more than "a (insert Denominational name here) with (something that looks/sounds/conveys cool here)...."
See, I partly agree that baptism should be one's own choice, but that's coming from someone who was raised in the philosophy of "believe whatever you want to believe", as I was raised by a former Catholic now Atheist father and a Celtic Pagan mother; and the fact that I was baptised at 18 as my own choice
Awesome video. Interesting that your first point is that you ARE concerned with the Kingdom, because when I, as a ND, bring up Kingdom theology to my more traditional friends they are usually confused by it. I find that ND churches preach the Kingdom most often of anyone, which is why it’s so easy to get them to work.
Follow up, listen to any major worship band. They aren’t from the mainlines and they all sing about the Kingdom way more than anything else, like so much more. As in they often forget to sing about the Gospel because they sing about the Kingdom so much. I won’t flame you, I think maybe you’ve made this point based on expectation rather than fact. It’s fine, hopefully this is good news.
You ask how many universities ND churches have founded, but this is applying the wrong standard to them. First, how many mainlines have any involvement in those universities? Maybe one in the last 200 years? Sure you can say that mainlines found schools, but they haven’t stepped up to the plate to tend to them over time. And to ask a similar question, how many mainlines are putting out music, movies, books, getting involved in politics (especially at the local level), or are trying to influence curriculum positively? Are there any? Sure you might say that Christian music and movies suck, but we’re trying. That’s literally my job, to help Christians get their music out into the world to spread the glory of God as much as possible (and there’s lot of good music if you get past KLOVE). NDs try, and mainlines just don’t, at least not in the living memory. People often question the longevity of evangelical churches, but realistically, mainline churches haven’t shown any longevity either. When culture pushes back on Christianity, mainlines sit back and take it, because they know how to manage existing power, they don’t know how to seize it, and evangelicals do, and that’s why ND churches are growing. It’s not the smoke and music and flashy baptisms, it’s the boldness and passion. When Methodists are afraid to say that forcing kids to get puberty blockers is wrong, non-denoms are proud to scream that pre-marital sex is sinful. We tend to operate on a whole other level of conviction, and that means that we want to take over culture at all levels, not just the highest.
@lina12lamm46I’m just responding to points as they come up. It’s not spam, it’s an attempt at a conversation. You don’t have to click on the expand button.
I love your videos and recommend them to many young men I'm discipling. You do a wonderful job explaining difficult topics and you're very knowledgeable (and funny!). Great job man! Now, as a non-denominational guy myself, I think it's hilarious how you make the baptist comparison. I agree with you on many points and disagree with a lot of my non-denominational mentors' views on sacraments/baptism/role of the Holy Spirit. A couple things I respectfully disagree with you on is the significance and effect of the sacraments as well as the importance of the Church as an institution. For my explanation to people on the sacraments: baptism is an external action due to the internal action of repentance and coming to faith in Christ. And, communion is the affirmation of our "communal" ;) faith in Christ. It is a memorial of Christ's sacrifice and resurrection and a time of communal prayer for the sins of the body. I would argue that by putting the emphasis on the Church and its institutional significance, we run into the very same and many dangers we see throughout the history of the Church. I respect your view of the non-denominational church as a "denomination" (lol) and agree with you on many of the points you had. I'd say it's just a slight difference of view when it comes to certain things that mainline denominations like to hang onto (tradition, liturgy, sacrament focus) and how these slight differences end up being disagreements at the end of the day.
Thanks for your kind comment! I think it's funny though, in the 2nd paragraph you said "we're not Baptist" then proceeded to confess a purely Baptist view of the sacraments and the church in the 3rd paragraph haha
@@redeemedzoomer6053 as the running joke goes: "Non-denominationals are just Baptists" hahaha there's still some differences! No conferences/conventions running the show and no external governance over the local body to name a couple of examples!
What is your opinion on the Anglican “church for the sake of others” diocese? They have turned over 20 American nondenominational churches into Anglican churches over the last decade. They are converting the entire congregation at once.
In high school, I asked a girl to see the musical Jesus Christ Superstar with me but she couldn't go because she was a non-denominational. Still no idea as to why.
@@jagar5580 - we went on other dates, but JCSS was not allowed by her parents. My guess is that they shun any other religionism that might conflict with their non-dom tenets.
Oh god the smoke machines. Why. Why?! And the lasers and spotlights too? It's a church service, not a rock concert. I mean have fun I guess but that's definitely not for me.
I try not to judge other congregations within Christianity, and I’ve always struggled with the non-denominational church because of my own experiences with some of them. I find the modern worship style to be very irreverent and unclear in terms of the messages of the readings each day. I’ve sang the same four songs and over at these churches, and it just made me cringe even as a child. It was like we were being pressured to express love for God as opposed to contemplating His Majesty and accepting Him in our hearts. It was very performative. That being said, the best church I’ve ever been to was a non-denominational biker church. Almost everyone there had struggled with some form of addiction or criminal history; including the pastors, who had to switch places with one another often because they were both personally involved in the treatment/rehabilitation of others. They treated themselves more as an inter-denominational community, likely because many of the members had left their original denominational churches when their struggles were met with judgement and pushback from the laypeople of those churches. Unlike these traditional/historical churches, the biker church saw nothing wrong with inconsistency in attendance or wavering of faith. As previously stated, almost everyone there were former or current drug addicts. It’s only natural that there might be some inconsistency for anyone there. So long as you were respectful of everyone and their journey, you were welcome to pray the rosary, engage in more traditional prayer, and discuss your beliefs with others at church outside of the actual service. If or when someone wanted to move onto another tradition they saw it as a win because they were ultimately seeking growth in Christ. A couple of notable former members still visited every once in a while after they joined another church to help with events or just to participate in Sunday worship there. To this day I know those people are much better and more devout Christians than many old mainline Christians than I could hope to be. Their faith is certainly stronger than mine. Any time I think demeaning or belittling thoughts about non-denominational or Baptist churches I try to turn my thoughts to the efforts and the people of the biker church.
I met Jesus at a Baptist Church when I was a young kid...I learned how to serve Him using my gifts and how to live out my faith and be an example to my peers in a (Baptist with a HAZE machine) Non Denominational Church. I participated income incredible ministries there, including playing in the Celebrate Recovery band they have!
The thing about the church building not being holy anymore is all about the fact that we are to be holy not the building the body if christ is holy god dwells is within and among those who recognise, worship and follow him making US set apart not the building
Catholic churches in the Western United States (with weird exceptions like the California Missions) are often modern in the suburbs, but historic in the cities. The historic Catholic city churches could use Reconquista as well -- just commute on Sunday too, traffic is much nicer. =) Although speaking of the California Missions, a lot of them aren't operational parish churches anymore, and they would benefit from a congregation dedicated to their care and maintenance.
I have you ask you. When you imagine the kingdom on Earth, do you have an ideal vision of this? If you could EVER make a video describing what the ideal endgame kingdom, what does that look like to you? I really hope you can make a video talking about how the most ideal version of this would look and function. Thank you Edit: as I'm watching your video on why you're not a non-denominational, it looks like your Minecraft server is an idealist vision of heaven on Earth to me.
I can agree with some of your theology and also agree with the issues of non-denominational because we do need to unite the churches regardless of denomination. I hesitate with your reasoning on other aspects because they were your own personal beliefs instead of being backed by something solid. I'd continue to ask Jesus for direction just like I do to because somethings you said will make me ponder. Keep advancing the kingdom
I think this video exemplify why people keep telling you you're one week away from being catholic: where does the collectivity in the kingdom of God ends? Why is the union of congregations in a denomination needed but not the union of denominations in "the one true church"? Edit: this is not a gotcha question, I really want you to clarify your point, it is a bit confusing to me
The reason non-denominational churches will exist in places like Burger King or rented out spaces inside of a mall or even using schools on Sunday morning when no one's in the school is because of finances and the church being too big to host in their small group anymore but not having the money to erect a building. Just what I have been a part of in the past. My dad passed her to church for a long time and since we couldn't afford a building, we hosted services in our town's elementary school on Sunday morning when no one is at school. Once our church got big enough, my dad rented a space on the Town square in which we turn into a makeshift church cuz that's all we could afford to do initially. And my dad is very reverend and studies theology pretty deeply. He's got his master's in theology, reads Greek. and takes the Bible extremely seriously. I just wanted to demonstrate how the Pizza Hut or Burger King church isn't out of disrespect or trying to blend in to the world. But more of a matter of necessity out of money or church size.
40:16 the idea that God thinks your hymns and castles are more beautiful because they’re old is ridiculous. The beauty of your building is not something God is concerned about. It’s what man, in his vanity, is focused on. Jesus taught on hills, in homes, and on beaches. His worship was almost certainly not like the hymns you sing, and his tabernacles not like St. Peter’s basilica.
41:23 it seems as if maybe they sing choral hymns, because they are choirs. Modern Christian music such as Keith Green and Maverick City are widely respected within music as well. Maybe not by choirs. Because it isn’t choral music. 42:23 again. They aren’t singing hillsong. Because it’s a choir. I know many people who put Christian music in their playlist despite not being Christian. I don’t know one who puts hymns on shuffle.
I don't think flat earthers are making Christians look stupid, I think having a hissy fit and gatekeeping Christianity from anti scientific people makes Christians look petty and fractured. I'm very anti- science myself, not a flat earther, but I can sympathize with and tolerate those who are.
Question for you-what do you think Jesus meant by saying there is coming a time, and it is here, where it doesn't matter where, but to worship in Spirit and unity?
what books have you read in doing research on this? I go to a non-denominational church and I'm currently just trying to read the bible, church history, and about all denominations. Love your channel!
When i really wanted to find a church, after finding christ, i picked Baptist. Ive still stuck with my church because they seem to be very bibicaly solid. They arent lgbtq affirming at all, and they make it a point that not only is the world a problem but so are we when we believe ourselves to be superior over others. My pastor is a very honest, down to earth guy who thinks going to church is not only important for us spiritually, but so we can support other christians. He also tries to follow up and ensure we are reading our bible. Whenever i move, im going to look for another church that isnt baptist, however.
Oh! You're quick! Lol I have no intention to look for a nondenominational church. They seem abit fruity to me. I knew even after finding Christ a year and a half ago that I didn't want a church with bizarre theology.......yet I picked baptist. Lol I did some reading up beforehand when I found my church. There's tons of churches in my small town, like 13 of them. So......alot to pick from. I definitely knew I didn't want lghdtv affirming and anything that just thought you to go with your heart over the bible and it's teachings. You know, sneaking new age garbage into into the church. For now, I feel my church is a good church home. I acknowledge that baptist pastors often do...whatever. But I really like my pastor and he's helped me a lot. It was a fantastic church to start with, but I want something more consistent and rooted in the bible after I leave here.
@@xcosminax Because, it seems like baptist churches are a mixed bag where the theology is controlled by the pastor. So, it seems like you won't know what you'll get. At least, that's the conclusion I've come to. I'm still going to do my research to come to my conclusions, but I also am going off of what people who have been in the faith longer than me say. My pastor even told me that a Baptist church can be a mixed bag, because the pastor essentially makes the theology. I have trust in my pastor because he seems to be very biblically accurate with his teachings. I haven't noticed anything weird in any sermons. Nothing that made me think "wait, that doesn't sound right."
@@MeatEatingVegan777 In some cases yes. I've visited my fair share of Baptist churches where this is the case, but I'm currently attending one now where the pastor follows Baptist theology and sounds like it is much like yours. People are imperfect, so many churches you go to there's going to be people and leaders that try and lead with their feelings and not what the Bible teaches. All denominations deal with that. I've lived in three different cities since turning 18 and in each I've found a Baptist church that is like you described. I completely respect Redeemed Zoomer's opinions on the topic of theology. I find his videos to be enlightening, and I don't think I've heard anything he claims to be fact to be untrue. I disagree that the church must be "institutional" like he says, but I agree that we must be active as Christians in the world and in our communities. Our presence should be seen. I don't think our measurer of how impactful a church is needs to be in the number of universities and hospitals a denomination has, but I understand his viewpoint. As he has said many times, he values knowledge and study and the denomination he's a part of values that.
One of the best theology books I have ever read was written by Chris Tomlin (yeah that guy) and it's on the seven Hebrew words of praise, And it's called Holy Roar!
43:50 - completely wrong lol. Not that I'm defending Hillsong's heretical teaching, but this is the product of very little research and very plentiful bias assumptions.
Also you place so much emphasis on the church being a building. The church is NOT a building! It is a group of believers united in a local setting! In fact there should be LITTLE beauty in the outside/vanity of the building or the people, the Holy/set apart nature of the church SHOULD be the Holy Spirit!
zoomer i want to thank you for the content you make, when I found your channel God spoke through you(i wached the Gospel video) and renewed my faith in God, i'm determened to get rid of my addictions especially pornography adiccion and i haven't wached porn for a week, thank you for the content you make and evangelising you do through it! God bless!
Baptist with a smoke machine😂
Sad but true
Cool to see a oh yeah yeah brother here
@@xxrandmlinksxxbruh2419 oh yeah yeah man, we may be few in numbers but we will win
That was funny 😂
I have never been so quickly and thoroughly called out in my entire life. I looked like a child that just got caught with his hand in the cookie jar
The only part that rubs me the wrong way in this video is the dig you have about non-denominational buildings and what churches look like.
The Church (upper case C) is set aside as holy, sacred, beautiful, and close to God. It is a community of believers and liturgical traditions. The church (lower case C) is just an earthly building where the Church happens to hang out. Large, grand cathedrals/churches are intimidating buildings, they're imposing, they are loud (visually loud, if that makes sense). And an unsaved person can very, very easily be scared away by such a thing.
As someone who is on the shy-er side, even now as a Christian I do feel a bit of trepidation walking into these large, grand, beautiful buildings on the rare occasion I do. Am I feeling the weight of the Spirit? Maybe just the weight of my own social anxiety or sins? Unsure. But if my local church, a converted movie theater had looked like one of these, I would not have been saved. I would not have joined the church because a gorgeous cathedral is NOT a welcoming building to someone who has not already felt God's love and ascribed it to Him. It is hostile and intimidating, especially if you do not know you can trust and be welcomed by those within. It is a building where you know you will be judged, where you know the people inside see themselves as different from you. This is not an attractive concept to someone who is not already a Christian. Someone unsaved does not think being judged by God is an act of love and an invitation from the Spirit to change. They do not know that while Christians are "set aside" it is not in a superior way and that they are invited to be set aside as well. How can they be taught this if modern culture has conditioned them to see the big scary building as a hostile place?
I am of the opinion that if your Church meeting in an old pizza hut causes at least more person to be saved than if meeting in a grand museum-looking building, that is a far better option. Trying to make a cathedral welcoming to strangers of the faith is an uphill battle.
I don't think a pizza hut church does cause more people to be saved than a cathedral church. I've heard countless stories of people being drawn in by the beauty of traditional Christianity
@@redeemedzoomer6053 That is fair, I'm sure some people have been drawn to the fancier parts of big churches. I can only speak from my own experience, and that says that a converted local business does more to create a welcoming air to strangers than a huge, expensive, beautiful cathedral.
I'm sure some people are drawn in by the beauty of traditional Christianity, but I don't think those people would have been turned off the road by a less ostentatious church building. In a culture that teaches people to be suspicious and cynical of traditional symbols of Christianity though, I think it's more important to get people in the door than to show off how much money goes in the offering bag. Let the beauty of the Church be shown through the community, not how fancy the windows are.
Non denominational churches are like the spirit halloweens of churches and that probably attributed to why I kept going and was saved there as a nonbeliever who had a traditional catholic high school experience that undermined my individuality as a traumatized teenager. The point about the music too I also disagree with. One thing I did always resonate with from those masses was the easily singable earworm hillsong music the choir performed that I always found myself singing to even as a non believer. Now I sing it loudly in worship and I think that counts for something. It really is just a matter of preference and personal experience. Even if its unapologetically kitschy it has its place in evangelism. It’s very accessible and meets those who don’t have a religious background at their level which I think is invaluable. I don’t think churches ran by humans are immune to cultural influences of the times either nor do I necessarily think they were meant to be. Sacredness is also not limited to just aesthetics
Non-denominational churches are either baptist or charismatic (pentecostal). I think the region plays a large role. In the US, most non-denominational churches are baptist, in latin american countries like brazil they're mostly charismatic
I am a non denominational Christian but I dont have similar teachings from Baptist, But clearly I have strong influence of teaching, culture and tradition from oneness Pentecostal, Or charismatic background
Some Non Denominational Churches are really good. And it's good to not be stuck in flawed ridged traditions and interpretations of splintering denominations.
Non-denominational here, thanks for making this video, as well as your other denominational videos. I oftentimes didn't understand why people disagreed with non denominationalism. I can understand all of your points here. At the end of the day, I'm glad we can agree on the major parts of Christianity. God bless.
There are essential doctrine, not just major parts. Did you miss that?
@DouglasGross6022 I don't disagree with him on any essential doctrine. Otherwise, he would consider non-denomonationals heretical. We consider each other heterodoxical, not heretics. Redeemed Zoomer is my brother in Christ, and that's that.
33:43 I don’t understand how genealogies mean tradition is important.
I think the formerly-pizza-hut-church is actually kinda cute and endearing.
The person who made it has a really good sense of humour.
Don't get me wrong, I love it! The thing I criticize is the thing it's making fun of, not the pizza hut church itself
I think ive met who made it
Thought it was a McDonalds at first
Better a pizza hut become a church ,rather than a church become a pizza hut.
The idea of a pizza church is funny and adorable, I like it
@@Rich386aI saw a church turned into a pub in Oban, Scotland in 1997. They still had some of the pews lined up against the walls.
I have gone from being in denominational churches to nondenominational. We are tackling things in our community that the denominational churches won’t touch. They’ve even said so. We have a drug rehab program, we offer a sexual abuse/assault Recovery program, a depression recovery program and we’ve just started a ministry to single moms. I’m not seeing this done anywhere else in my area. So I’ll take the nondenominational Church who is working with people in the gutters of life. As we say, it’s all about Jesus.
May I ask what church you go to? My church is similar
@@Magentisy Impact Ministries in Elkton Virginia.
True, He didn't come for the righteous, He came for the sinners.
This right here, Jesus didn't come for the righteous, He came for the lost, and we are to be His hands and feet here on earth. Fellow non-denom here. Our church does the same stuff, we do a LOT of outreach in our local community. We have counselors for mental health issues, we have a food bank, and we're only expanding. We house the homeless and work with them to help them get on their feet. We have a ministry to college students that's been very successful.
Interesting, I have a church who does similar things like that, its called Grace Community Church in Arlington, TX. They try to find solutions for their local community.
As a young guy going to a non-Dom church, most of us don’t view our faith as a “get out of hell free card” lol
I definitely see the need for structural real Christianity. The institutions rn are so bad especially my methodist church I grew up in. We can fix it though.
Yeah I think non denom churches that are not kingdom centered are usually pre-mil so they don't believe in the we are the kingdom.
Unfortunately he seems to have a shaky understanding of non-doms.
@@Thedarkbunnyrabbit Yeah I think some non denom churches are bad because stuff like prosperity gospel can go unchecked. But I've also been to a non-denom church that left a denomination.
@@ThedarkbunnyrabbitI think you guys take everything he says to the full extent. The dude is pretty sarcastic and hyperbolic
I love how you don't agree with denominations but still let them have city's on your Minecraft server!
He is ecumenical.
I've gone to non-denominational churches my whole life, and honestly most things you say are correct. While we can agree to disagree on most things, I want to point out 2 important things that I think make us make sense. You pointed this out too at 1:15 and it's that we try hard to get as many people saved as possible. We are Evangelicals after all. Because of that, being the far and above primary thing, most of these churches neglect most tradition. We are only focused on what will get atheists to stay and listen. Some to a degree that detriments the church, others to what I believe is a healthy degree. In short, I think our churches can be a little shallow because we are facing the world much more than other denominations who tend to face inward much more. The second thing is when you quoted what many of us say, "Christianity is not a religion, it's a relationship with God." It's a perspective thing, when you think of religion, you think of all of the beautiful things associated with it, but when an atheist hears that word, they think of all of these mindless (I know they actually aren't, this is the atheist perspective) rituals that have to be done, and all of these rules that have to be followed perfectly or you'll go to Hell. When we say that, what we really mean is something like, "You don't have to be perfect to go to Heaven. The most important thing is getting close to God and his people, then He will change you."
I respect your position, but the way you talk about the Church makes me feel that it exists only to convert the people of the world, whereas, in my opinion, it should be a piece of the Kingdom of God here on Earth and that it is the place where we should praise our God. Furthermore, when you read the Bible, especially the Old Testament, it becomes clear that our God places a lot of emphasis on the "form" of worship. There seems to be too much focus on being a place that attracts people who don't believe in God by making them more open to the gospel than a place where people who have accepted the gospel come together to praise God. At least that was the impression I got from your comment and that I also get when I look at the worship style of these churches. Furthermore, more and more I see that young people who are more open to seeking God are precisely looking for beauty, structure and roots in tradition, something that they are not finding in the world.
Imperfectly put, I believe that the right emphasis should be to bring the Kingdom and Glory of God into the World and not to bring the World into the Kingdom of God.
@@pedroguimaraes6094 no I agree, I'm not saying that it's the correct or perfect way to go about it at all, I'm just explaining the thought process. I will however say that I don't know what youth you're reaching, but where I live, I find that my church isn't too jarring for my agnostic friends when they come. Obviously I've never invited anyone to come to a church like yours, so I don't know what their reactions are, but I've never gotten any negative backlash from it at least.
Well said
yeah.. it's kinda true. i dunno bout the theology of the sacraments still though. for now i keep baptism, and i'm on the fence with spiritual presence vs. memorialism
"...whereas non-denominational 'liturgy' if you can call it that has been described as a concert and a Ted Talk." As someone who attends a non-denominational church this is freaking hilarious and pretty accurate in our case XD
So the reasons I AM Non-denom are 2 fold. The main reason is that I'm pretty new to the faith and don't know enough about theology to make an informed opinion about which denomination I think is the most correct, and I've never really been the type of person to just accept what others tell me is true. The 2nd reason is that the church I started attending is Non-denom and I love it. My pastor is awesome, the community nice and supportive, and I've made a lot of friends there. I don't really want to leave it.
What's more important to you? Friends, or God?
@Florida Man In the end, God is most important. Like I said, that was only a secondary reason. When a time comes that I feel like I have enough knowledge to properly choose a proper denomination, I will go to the appropriate church
@@floridaman318God wants you to make friends.
@floridaman318 this is an unfair question. OP is enjoying church and connecting with God. They should be able to enjoy the experience and make friends
This was an excellent video. Thank you. As a Nondenominational Christian, you helped me appreciate many Chruch aspects I haven't fully considered. I ALWAYS find a Bible-based fundamental church, so natrually many of the churches I attended were denominational.
"The difference between you and me is that I just believe the Bible and you just blindly follow the tradition of your denomination." That's what I used to believe while simultaneously not knowing ANYTHING about what various denominations and traditions actually believed. What a fool I was. Proverbs 18:13
I was raised non-denom, and had the same experience. Ironically, I was the one blindly following the traditions of American Christianity, whereas the mainliners I know are far more discerning and intelligent about their faith.
RZ has a pile of straw and gosh darnit he’s going to use it!
@@calebneff5777Such is the danger when laymen minister unto others. He is very entertaining, though, and possesses a good way of spreading the gospel.
worst response to a question is "well the bible doesn't teach that"
ok prove it. here's a text.
@@apalsnerg No man, the guy literally says that the sacraments are necessary for salvation. He is preaching works.
I've now commented two kinda critical takes on your videos so I kinda want to balance those out by saying I really appreciate the way you approach this channel. Your points are very well laid out, your delivery is very clear and understandable, and you speak in a way that encourages discussion and deeper thought. Even if I'm talking into the void of youtube comments, I have genuine fun thinking about the topics you bring up and thinking about my own faith and the reason that certain things make me want to respond. So thank you! Please keep making videos, even if I disagree on topics I do still like them!
Very well said indeed
I'm an atheist but man this channel is pure gold.
I've always wondered about the many christian denominations, since i've only had contact with catholics and luterans so I always assumed there weren't that big of a difference in the denominations themselves.
Keep up with the good work!
Thank you, appreciate it!
Ready to harvest also has info on denominations.
Same here brotha, great channel
I'm going to ask ChatGPT to write a persuasive essay on why Redeemed Zoomer is one week away from being Lutheran
Can you copy and paste the results here
hes one step away from being orthodox 🙏☦️
@@reigenlucilfer6154nah, he will definetly, totally become a Jonh McArthur clone somehow.
Lol
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I technically attend a non-denominational church, but we don’t label ourselves as “nondenominational” we just call ourselves a Christian church, we simply follow Christ. We have our own traditions, and we still respect all denominations, only if they don’t contradict anything in the Bible of course.
And while we see a personal relationship with Jesus as very important, we also see things like evangelism, and the church itself very important too.
I am non denominational but I do not hate you for giving your opinion, it's your opinion, so I'm not gonna hate you for it, I respect other people's lives and beliefs, as long as you do not push them onto me, cause I believe jesus said to love thy friends, family, and enemies, and even if that is a bit of a challenge for me, I still do it because I have to, I believe faith in jesus christ is the only way to get to heaven and the father alone, no good works can come close to getting into heaven, all our good works, god only sees as filthy rags, and nothing more, and yes christianity is not a religion it is a relationship, a "religion" is man made, christianity is a godly made thing, you use the word religion alot like it is the most important thing than Godly made things, and those rituals in "christian denominations" are not godly made considering the work has already done by jesus christ, like I said we can never do sooo good in this life to earn salvation, salvation is earned through faith and faith alone.
I misread the video title as "Why I AM a non-denominational" and I was shocked to my core for a bit.
Of course nondenominational churches won’t have hospitals and universities…. The other churches had a head start by hundreds and sometimes well over a thousand years. This was a silly criticism
There are hundreds of Christians who go to non denominational churches glorifying God by working in hospitals and universities!
@@hiptoalieu They’re not talking about people who WORK in those places lol.
i used to go to a hyper pentecostal megachurch and recently just made the change and i was between a Reformed interdenom church and a non denom church. ultimately chose non denom church (bc of logistic and movilization) but what i like its how non-separatist my church is. like sometimes an anglican pastor preaches, sometimes an invited pentecostal preaches, bc at the end we’re all the body of Christ and we all need to unite (this weeks sermon was all about unity and fighting for the church in these trying times)
just wanted to note too that the first prebys church of my country was located next to my house but has been closed since the pandemic😭
that's pretty cool.
My dad is a pastor and our church is non-denominational, but he's pastored at Baptist churches his entire life before coming to the one we're at now. When people ask me which denomination we are closest to I say Baptist for simplicity, but in reality we are just modern puritans. Incredibly traditional and pretty much one to one on puritan theology.
Edit 1: (Just got to the part where he mentions the 1689 confession) We hold the 1689 confession in SUPER-high regard
Well 1689 is purely Baptist, not Puritan. Puritans believe in infant baptism and real presence in the Lord's Supper. Puritans are just Presbyterians with Congregationalist church government and simpler worship
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Thats true, we used to joke when we were younger that we were just low-church Presbyterians that dont baptize babies, which is what the earliest baptists were. We have more in common with puritans than a lot of southern baptist "mega-churches"
@@redeemedzoomer6053 i love you
In fairness, there are reasonable grounds to oppose denominationalism, and that is enough to distinguish nondenominational folks from baptist folks. I’ve been to baptist churches, and the occasional KJV-onlyism, membership requirements, closed communion, and/or Landmark Baptist views are annoying. There’s a general atmosphere of “we’re the only church that counts, and we don’t really want to fellowship with others” that thankfully isn’t shared by nondenominationals. At its best, nondenominationalism is the ultimate ecumenical mindset.
Not saying that makes nondenominational churches better than Baptist or anyone else. Just saying that the rejection of tribalism is important to a lot of people.
Edit in response to the video: I believe the sacraments are necessary and have a role in salvation, and I’m nondenominational. I’m also amillenial and I don’t believe in once saved always saved. There’s a fair amount of diversity among nondenominationals.
Edit 2: Saying that nondenominationalism is contrary to unity is like saying being a political independent is contrary to unity. Rejection of tribalism isn’t necessarily rejection of unity. I agree that it would be nice to see more cooperation (but not hierarchy) among nondenominational churches, however.
You are on point, my man
Yes you should oppose denominationalism and join the one Church Christ established
@@Justin-yn5py I did join Christ’s Church. As did many of my Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Anglican, and Orthodox brothers and sisters, among many others. I’d just as soon say those are different Churches as I’d say the church at Galatia and the church at Corinth were from different Churches. In every case, God is the head of the Church, not man.
Edit: to view the New Testament teachings about the Church (singular) as a denominational label is deeply anachronistic, unless you’re supposing that denominations were already fractured during the time of the New Testament’s writing. Moreover, if you’ve studied the church fathers as much as my Catholic friends (which I assume you have - I respect your denomination’s zeal for church history), you would know the Catholic Church didn’t closely resemble itself throughout history. The era of immersion baptism, and the era of crusades/indulgences, and the modern era all have notable difference that would be denominational differences had they been contemporaneous with one another.
Spot on! I also hate the aspect of tribalism in denominations we are all in the body of Christ as the Bible says a house divided cannot stand
but if you see the sacraments as a means to salvation then you’re adding works as part of being saved and we are only saved through faith, not through our works. I think they’re important to do but not necessary in order to be saved.
The reason I have been non-denominational is that I have never found a denomination I have completely agreed with, and I never wanted to say that I was a part of one and then be associated with all the beliefs including the ones I don't agree with.
But watching this video and hearing about the cruciality of the unity of the church and the kingdom, I think I'm gonna start trying harder to find a church and denomination that I can truly be a part of so that I can start fighting for a stronger cause both for God and His Kingdom on earth. So that instead of being an independent grain of sand on a beach, I may become a brick united with many of my own to make up a castle.
(edit: one thing that I'd like to point out is that I believe that baptism is better when you are mature not because baptism isn't important, but because you have more of a choice to do so rather than just being forced, even if it's the right thing to do, it should be a matter of the person's choice.)
This is how I’ve felt about associating with “non denominational”. But I’ve been doing a lot more research lately and then this video came up and I can’t really say with confidence anymore that I can just associate with being non-denominational.
I honestly think non-denominational is the right way, however we do need to unite the churches
The thing is, I think non-denom is essentially pushing for the entirety of Christianity to be a united brick.
What I mean by that is that naturally, people aren't gonna agree on every single minor detail. So expecting "unity" to look like everyone being expected to just agree, is not gonna work.
I believe that "unity" means working together through disagreements and using those disagreements as opportunities to learn. I think non-denominationalism has the potential to be the most unified, because, if done right, it's an environment where everyone is free to share their theories and have them discussed.
Denominations feel like tribalism within Christianity, or politics, where you're expected to just choose a side and then go along with whatever they say. I think as Christians it would be better to view unity as like a mosaic, where we come together while having different opinions, cultures, etc, rather than to view unity as requiring homogenization.
If we need to all agree on the details to be unified, we'll never be unified.
Bruh. You could have just had the first eleven seconds of video and said "Because Non-Denominationals don''t build *this.*
EDIT: OMG, your video was exactly that.
HAHAHA more than that, but also that
44:20 , no our beliefs are on the BIBLE, and we challenge our pastors whenever they preach what's not from God's word.
Exactly!
Non-Demos have the wrong interpretation of the Bible. Bible is the final authority for the Church (sola scriptura), but one which must be interpreted through tradition derived from faithful interpretations of Scripture that is authoritative in our interpretation (e.g. first three ecumenical councils and the Patristic tradition), which is a position consistent with Reformation Fathers such as Luther and Calvin.
@@CYC_JP Thanks for your pre-recited response, but I don't remember where Jesus commanded this to be the way, nor do I remember Paul or even Peter saying this. I do however, know they often spoke about the Word and the Scriptures, so me and my church will base our lives off the Scripture, and let y'all give an account for how man's traditions are more sacred and more authoritative than the words of God Himself.
@@Jackoooloop9456 Amen
Non-denominational churches don’t have to answer to anyone. There isn’t a higher governing body to hold a church accountable; it’s so much easier for pastors to form a cult of personality and become the much maligned “celebrity pastor”. There are much fewer Presbyterian and Lutheran celebrity pastors compared to Baptists/Non-denoms, in part because it’s easier for the former to be held accountable.
That's what elders, deacons and a church board are for. The pastor ought to be held accountable by the aforementioned.
@@User_Happy35 Absolutely and they are held accountable according to the scriptures
wooo! non-denominational representation! love it. i enjoyed this a lot. there were several thing that you said non-denominational churches often do/say/believe that i personally dont, and that i am pretty sure my church wouldnt either, but i do conform to a lot of the theological points that you ascribed to non-denominational churches.
one of the most frustrating things to me is the rejection of science within my church. and the thing is, i see this WAY more in the congregation than in the leadership. i dont think its a pastoral/leadership issue, i think its a communication/critical thinking issue
If the sacraments save then the theif on the cross is burning in hell even though Jesus said he would be with Him in paradise. Same thing with the woman that said she wanted some of the crumbs that Jesus meant to give to the Jews. It is blasphemous to claim the sacraments save. It clearly contradict grace.
You'll need to discuss that with Mark (Mark 16:16), the Apostle Peter (1 Peter 3:21), and the apostle John (John 3:5)
@@Godfrey118 you'll need to take that up with Paul. Saved by grace through faith. No works needed.
@@nicholaswheeler507 right right. I did consult him as well (Acts 22:16, Romans 6:4, Galatians 3:26-29, Collisions 2:11-12, Titus 3:5)
@@Godfrey118 So you have to work to be saved?
@@nicholaswheeler507 no. Baptism is a work of God, not of man
i love kingdomcraft, but the drawing video's are so much easier to follow
yeah, the drawing videos are more cut to the point
what drawing videos?
You can just listen to the video
@@em.the.awful.waffle yeah true, but the pictures with bulletpoints makes it a little bit easier
Can we appreciate and love how many different Christian religions are subscribed to Redeemed Zoomer 😂❤
I actually think it's people like you who absolutely obsess over denominations that are furthering the divide and splintering the church. Non denominational churches are more than happy to help each other out, be Bible-based, led by the Spirit, and follow in Christ and the apostles footsteps through the gospels, acts and the epistles. You guys who make new acronyms each week to label yourself something new and only stick with your own denomination, focusing so much on differences rather than a universal body - that's the issue here. You are the very thing you preach against here.
You also severely confuse the definition of the Body of Christ as the universal church, made up of thousands, if not millions of individual churches, and the definition of the local church, which can and should absolutely be different from each other - not in theology, but in context to the local culture (e.g. a younger congregation vs a musical congregation vs a reformed bike gang congregation - all going to have different needs for the teachers, pastors and apostles to address).
Infant baptism is never once mentioned in the Bible. It is unbiblical and just strange, to be honest. New believers, once they had accepted Christ, were baptised. How can an infant accept Christ?
Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him. 36 As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch *said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” 37 And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” 38 And he ordered that the chariot stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he kept preaching the gospel to all the cities, until he came to Caesarea.
Spot on! God bless you
Fellow non-denoms, who else wants to go conquer a pizza hut for the glory of God? (we will use the smoke from cooking pizza in our worship)
For real, this channel has helped so much with my reversion to the Faith and to fill my desire to learn more. Keep up the good work and never stop spreading the Word!
Can't wait for the "Why I'm not Eastern Orthodox" video!
He did that already.
@@FromElsewhear I know, but he said the one he did a while ago was poorly researched and that he is remaking it.
cant wait to read the comments 🥳
While the “Baptist with a smoke machine” thing is a good joke I do think it’s misleading. There is one large but important difference between baptist and non-denominational that I think you’re missing.
Baptists believe in the believers baptism, meaning that you MUST be baptized to join the church, whether that is by the church itself or by a previous church in a way the current one approves of. The vast majority of Non-denominational welcomes all, regardless of belief, baptism etc. The argument is typically that the gospel (being that non-denominational tend to overwhelmingly focus on the New Testament) will reach more people this way.
Otherwise though you’re critique is fair, most are very similar.
There is nothing like denomination or non-denominational in the bible so you are very wrong. Christianity is not instituitional. It is not an institute, it a gathering of people with one goal - seeking Yahuah & his kingdom first. And about tradition, tradition was greatly spoken against in the bible by Yahusha. We are called to unity like you said, but through only one person - Yahusha, our Messiah. Denomination, non denomination, tradition, protestant, catholic they are all man-made names.
Jesus spoke against the oral tradition of the Pharisees, who added rules and often contradicted the Law of Moses. But he himself was a knowledgeable Jew who practiced the Jewish customs/traditions that were rooted in the old testament and several times he encouraged people to do the same (when for example he healed someone and told him to present himself in the temple and make sacrifices).
I agree that the Church is not an institution, it is the people of God. still, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be institutionalized. The problem arises when we idolize our institutions and do not place them in a subordinate position to the Bible (the mistake of Catholics, but which historic Protestants sought to correct with the idea of a "Reformed Church always reforming itself according to the Scriptures").
That little rant at the end about flat eathers was hilarious 😂
I'm non-denominationalist but I get where the concerns are. In my experience, there's two kinds of non-denominationalist Christians:
1 - people who are non-denom because they just want to seek truth, and listen to any other Christians for wisdom and compare various understandings rather than just sticking to what a specific denomination believes, as to get a rounded belief where each aspect and interpretation you believe, comes from hearing all the different sides and comparing their evidence and reasoning. While being willing to be challenged by all other Christians on these beliefs, iron sharpens iron.
2 - People who are the exact opposite, and are non-denom because they just want to ignore scripture and other Christians and just do whatever they want.
As for the concerns about unity, I think non-denom is pushing for Christianity to be a unified.
What I mean by that is that naturally, people aren't gonna agree on every single minor detail. So expecting "unity" to look like everyone being expected to just agree, is not gonna work.
I believe that "unity" means working together through disagreements and using those disagreements as opportunities to learn. I think non-denominationalism has the potential to be the most unified, because, if done right, it's an environment where everyone is free to share their theories and have them discussed.
Denominations feel like tribalism within Christianity, or politics, where you're expected to just choose a side and then go along with whatever they say. I think as Christians it would be better to view unity as like a mosaic, where we come together while having different opinions, cultures, etc, rather than to view unity as requiring homogenization.
If we need to all agree on the details to be unified, we'll never be unified.
To be honest, non denominational just sound sketchy
Yeah, it’s kind of an easy way to produce cults.
I’m a member of a non-denominational church and I really want to try to convince my church leaders to adopt a Calvinist view of communion. Quarterly communion pains me so much.
I’m thankful that we do monthly communion at our church.
@@CC-E.O.Inquirer it should be done every Sunday if not everyday
I'm in the same position, recently my church even switched to doing communion on Sunday nights instead of monthly on Sunday mornings. I don't go on Sunday nights so that took away my opportunity for communion
@@adamlove592 in the Catholic Church you can receive the body of Christ every single day
@@Justin-yn5py Thank you, I do admire that about the RCC, although I believe there are other doctrinal positions that exclude the RCC from my consideration. I'm returning to college soon where I'll attend a traditional presbyterian church so I'll be good
“Nuance” is not an excuse for contradiction. If you believe that sacraments are necessary for salvation, then you do not believe that faith *alone* saves.
Martin Luther believed sacraments are necessary for salvation. Are you saying the guy who coined the term "faith alone" didn't believe in faith alone?
@@redeemedzoomer6053 If he thought they did, then logically yes, even if you revere him and think him to be an outstanding theologian.
@@rafdaguy6103 You don't think it's POSSIBLE that the two can be compatible? Saying Baptism saves and salvation is by faith alone?
@@redeemedzoomer6053 There is only one truth. Faith alone literally means only faith saves you. If you think something other than faith also saves you, you do not believe faith alone saves you.
Lemme push back on that. There's no contradiction between saying "faith alone saves" and "Christ saves". I'm sure you already know that. There's no contradiction between saying "faith alone saves" and "being born again saves".
I think it's best to be a true bible believing christain/follower or disciple of Jesus, u don't need to put a label on it such as protestant, Baptist, catholic etc
Agreed
Exactly! I think all these labels and denominations are products of division. As Christians, we are all supposed to walk in unity, love, and humility. We are one body in Christ. Of course we're not all going to agree on everything, but our lifestyles (traditions and all) should align with biblical teaching, not the other way around.
I would love to go to a church that looks like an old cathedral and plays old hymns (although I do like some of the contemporary music). But it seems like those churches are all either Catholic or woke (or both).
I have a map is there description of beautiful old Protestant churches
Lol, the reason why I say I'm non denom is primarily because I don't know much about denominations. You could say I'm smooth brain on topics like this.
I grew up non-denominational and I can’t agree with you more on what you said here. it’s spot on accurate and is why I no longer associate myself with that denomination
My Brotha
Pls change your pfp
I'm gonna have to second wild_burn; you ought to reconsider that pfp.
Yeah might finally be time
@@toweringhorse2054 Where did you even find that image? Reverse image search says it's a crop from a hentai.
Bro, looking at your uploads rn. You seriously need to repent.
Indeed. I believe I got it from a cropped image, likely from some sort of hentai.
Recently rediscovered my faith and making strides to get better. Most of that stuff is from 2016.
But you’re right. Really need to get on the right track. Thanks for the nudge
I'd like to offer some pushback/critque (as some who isn't non-denominational) on some of your points, for the sake of discusssion amd because I appreciate your content
I don't think using genealogies as an argument in favor of holding more firmly to tradition is a particularly strong arguement. In the case of Jesus' geneaology I think their inclusion is primarily to show that He fulfilled the prophecies concerning the messiah and was uniquely qualified to be King and Messiah to not only the Jews, but the rest of the world. I think it also emphasizes the character of God as a trustworthy, faithful, omnipotent, and omniscient being who concerns Himself with the lives of His creation. Not to say there isn't a scriptural arguement to promote tradition (there definitely is), I just don't think the geneaologies are the best way to accomplish that.
Further, I'm not sure the 'Objective Beauty' idea was convincingly put forth here either. I'd wholeheartedly agree that God is the ultimate standard of beauty, as well as the ultimate source of it. However, I don't think that using human beings stating subjective opinions on something is the best way to show it as objectively beautiful. It seems true that many people would say that traditional Christian hymns are beautiful, and it's undeniable that most choirs' repertoire is saturated with hymns, but this still seems to me that a human metric is being used. It may be that people from more Eastern traditions not using our same scales and harmonies may not find it as pleasing as those of us who are familiar with it and understand that's how music "should" sound. Or they may find it beautiful too. I don't know. It varies person to person, and that's my point. Even though the vast majority may agree, it still seems that there is room for personal preference and therefore subjective. These indications of beauty are valuable, and hint at objective beauty, but are still more types and shadows.
I think that since God is the standard and source of beauty, I think that evaluating things in light of how well they honor or point to God is a more comprehensive way to show beauty is objective. When Jesus was anointed by the woman at Bethany, He said that it was a noble thing, despite the disciples and others gathered there expressing disgust or criticism. God says that He looks at the heart, and Jesus' teachings clearly indicate that our motives carry just as much weight (perhaps even more) than our actions do. I think the best example of both subjective and objective beauty being expressed in conjunction is Bach's music. His arrangements echo the structure and order of an intentional, creative, intelligent God, and He dedicated them to the glory of God. Further, they are generally agreed upon to be masterpiece works of art that are aesthetically pleasing to listen to. In my opinion, if his pieces were purely secular, they would retain their subjective beauty yet carry no objective beauty. Conversely, if his pieces sounded like they were arranged by an infant who screeched into a pipe organ, but were sincerely dedicated to the glory of God in hopes that God would be honored and exalted by the frail workings of a frail man, I think they would retain a degree of objective beauty (however feeble and clumsy) while being simultaneously devoid of subjective beauty.
Anyway, those are just some rambling thoughts I had in response to some of your points. I really appreciate your channel, and the Kingdom work you're doing. One of thw teens at my church heard me listening to one of your videos and said 'oh I just listened to that yesterday' and it made me so stinking happy and excited. We've been trying to equip them with as many tools as possible and I'm glad your content exists.
Keep up the good work brother, and God bless you!
Just because something isn't ANCIENT...doesn't mean it can't be a gorgeous expression of Praise to our High King JESUS!
Do churches really need to look different as in more temple/majestic looking or is that a preference? Thinking about Jesus and how he said he would destroy the temple and rebuild it in 3 days, it makes me think that he was less concerned with the actual building and more with the church he was building through him. Does a building really “need” to have a specific look?
@Dave Diaz I’d argue yes. We have to remember that Christ is our king, and we should treat him as such. It is a show of reverence and love for our lord to try our best to build our churches to be beautiful.
Yeah but like JEWISH and PALESTINIAN music does not sound like 18th century classical music...but it can be beautiful as well!@@buckarooben7635
I don't think so. It's very nice to have very nice things, but it's not necessary. The bible says seek first the Kingdom of God, delight in his Word, meditate on his law day and night... Do all these things and the result will be the desires of our hearts, our physical needs provided for and, ultimately prosperity and stability here on earth. So, when God provides us with a big ol' beautiful church as a reward for our steadfast pursuit of his kingdom, Thank Him. But it's absolutely not necessary to have a building that looks like a church for it to be a church.
Many mainline churches look like churches but their hearts are not with Christ, unfortunately. It's better to focus on the inward than the outward appearance, as the bible tells us so often.
One gripe I have is saying contemporary music is subjectively bad. I mean I get it. Trust me I do, I despise Hillsong as much as the next guy but contemporary music as a term or even a group of music is so broad that just claiming it's bad strikes a chord with me since I do know about a lot of contemporary songs which are objectively good. Also all contemporary music isn't Hillsong.
All that aside I do think there is room in christianity for contemporary music. I think that we can have a separation of christian songs to be sung in church and ones to be sung or listened to outside church. I've heard many gospel (the genre) songs sung or listened to by christians outside the church that are never sung inside church.
My ideal view is that chants, hymns and more beautiful and traditional sounding contemporary music should be sung inside church. While more modern Hillsong like contemporary music could be listened to outside church similar to how one would listen to a secular song.
Not using a stone cutter to make those bricks hurts
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at one point i was nondenominational... who knows i still may be, i'm kinda stuck to it cuz the rest of my family is part of it. i was the kid to sit through the service and go through with the motions. i serve for the media team and play keys for the youth (teenager's) worship team; we're a bigger church in our area at least.
yesterday i felt super depressed. had been for a while now, and i was bored and didn't feel like doing anything after church. i thought, maybe i'll listen to worship. this time i didn't look up hillsong or maverick city, i searched "hymnals". i found a neat playlist and listened. before i knew it, i felt a few tears. i began singing the words out in my head (it was later at night so people were sleeping). at that moment i felt i could actually worship, not like i was listening to a band play in a concert. i felt useful for once. i never felt like i had any use in the kingdom of God because i couldn't feel comfortable worshiping Him, but i felt different at that time.
so what am i now? i think more baptist. i still believe in the spirit's power, but not in an emotional way like most charismatics do. i don't think anyone can just speak tongues... it's a prophetic gift. our "worship" shouldn't be about us... so why do we sing about ourselves? why do we repeat the same bland bridge with no meaningful lyrics twelve times? it's like repeatedly shoving food down a baby's throat, hoping they give in and swallow it. praise to God is through our songs of praise to Him only, our deeds unto others who are His creation, and honoring ourselves who are joined heirs with Christ. not an album called "My Story" with five 10 minute songs each singing about how happy you are cuz God solved all of your problems. worship is a celebration of the One who solved your problems, not the feeling you get from them being solved.
mr. zoomer, i will say that you've done me a great deed in opening my eyes to other possibilities of the Christian faith, and because of that i feel a lot more confident in myself. i thank you for that. may God bless you.
(note: i'm EmeraldCraft34 that was on the server. haven't been on in a while, but i'm going to try!)
God bless you. Never feel ashamed of feeling spiritually empty listening to offensively bad music when there is so much great sacred music written to the glory of God
Leonardo Torres has a lot of videos of him reacting to Hillsong and other contemporary worship songs as a non Christian and he is literally crying saying how beautiful it is.
As a Non-denominational Christian, I agree. I believe that Protestants, Historical or Non-denominational, show adhere to the basic traditions of Protestantism. To me, a "true" Non-denominational church would be a Protestant Church, that practices more traditional aspects of Protestant Christianity, but does claim a particular denomination. Essentially, a Protestant church, with more traditional/orthodox beliefs on the Sacraments, worship music, etc. but doesn't claim to be a part of any denomination. This is why I like to call myself an Apostolic Protestant, as because I am a Non-denominational Protestant, but I have a more Catholic/Apostolic leaning theology.
13:45 thats not universally true. At my baptist church the Pastor is no-nonsense about communion. He quotes 1 Corinthians 11:27 and warns about the danger of taking it lightly or insincerely before allowing people to come up.
Lol pizza hut church 😂😂
Not tryna brag. But i called it in the chat that this would be the topic of the video
Infant baptism is so strange to me. Your family doesn't make you a Christian. It's a problem if you think you are a Christian just because you have a Christian family. Non denominational here :)
A Jew that was born in Israel was circumcised by his parents as a baby and was considered part of the people of God (the Church). Likewise, Christian parents should baptize their children. Baptism, despite not saving from the Presbyterian perspective, is an important means of grace, a visible act that generates invisible blessings, so that baptizing the child as a baby is something that should be desired by parents. When her son turns 18, she must still make her public profession of faith to become a communicant member (and be able to participate in the Lord's Supper). Historically this was clear to the Church Fathers and Presbyterians, Anglicans, Methodists, Lutherans and Congregationalists have historically done so. Just Baptists, Pentecostals and non-denominationals that don't.
yay i'm nondenominational
So in other words: "Why I am denominational"
I really like how you don't just say what's wrong about the different denominations, but actually say what they don't do as well. Like, your criticisms are about things that are very changeable without damaging the integrity of the different denominations.
You know I’d love to see you debunk a few of those Atheist TH-cam channels talking points, Darkmatter2525 in particular
100% understand what youre saying. Still gonna stay non demoninational but i still love your content and how you set up yourself. Maybe im in a reformed christian in a non demo disguise;)
Say what you want about non-denominational 'smoke machine' churches, but they are filled with insane amounts of very firm believers, especially young people thanks, in part, to modern music praising God and k-pop dancing for jesus. They adapted to the culture and that is why they are on the rise. Is that good? I would say it is. For example, Golden Resurrection brought me back to christianity.
I think you missed the fact that nondenominationals promote not just your relationship with Jesus, but encourage you to give a heart to know Him, acting on and heeding the scripture. And this is what we take with us to every institution we operate in- work, school, hospitals. Acting in alignment to our Faith and encouraging others to do so. And there are non denominational chains that have a broader impact on communities through the wide spread of their members, education opportunities, and a Christ centric focus. Mark 6:4 “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his own relatives, and in his own home.”
It's amazing how much respect you have for other denomination, it's truly how we should treat each other!
While I respect a lot of what you put forward in your videos, you are presenting a far too simplistic and in some ways erroneous view on interednominational/nondenominational churches here. The church I go to, for whatever reasons they are, have gotten more missionary work (both home and abroad), more community service, and more activities supporting Christian education, discipleship, and community support for everyone from teachers to law enforcement than any denominational church I was ever a part of. Also they have brought Denominational churches to the table, and the entire Church community of my city is much better for it, and are doing much more.
While I can understand where you most likely got your views, please understand that nondenominational is much more than "a (insert Denominational name here) with (something that looks/sounds/conveys cool here)...."
See, I partly agree that baptism should be one's own choice, but that's coming from someone who was raised in the philosophy of "believe whatever you want to believe", as I was raised by a former Catholic now Atheist father and a Celtic Pagan mother; and the fact that I was baptised at 18 as my own choice
Awesome video. Interesting that your first point is that you ARE concerned with the Kingdom, because when I, as a ND, bring up Kingdom theology to my more traditional friends they are usually confused by it. I find that ND churches preach the Kingdom most often of anyone, which is why it’s so easy to get them to work.
Follow up, listen to any major worship band. They aren’t from the mainlines and they all sing about the Kingdom way more than anything else, like so much more. As in they often forget to sing about the Gospel because they sing about the Kingdom so much. I won’t flame you, I think maybe you’ve made this point based on expectation rather than fact. It’s fine, hopefully this is good news.
You ask how many universities ND churches have founded, but this is applying the wrong standard to them. First, how many mainlines have any involvement in those universities? Maybe one in the last 200 years? Sure you can say that mainlines found schools, but they haven’t stepped up to the plate to tend to them over time. And to ask a similar question, how many mainlines are putting out music, movies, books, getting involved in politics (especially at the local level), or are trying to influence curriculum positively? Are there any? Sure you might say that Christian music and movies suck, but we’re trying. That’s literally my job, to help Christians get their music out into the world to spread the glory of God as much as possible (and there’s lot of good music if you get past KLOVE). NDs try, and mainlines just don’t, at least not in the living memory. People often question the longevity of evangelical churches, but realistically, mainline churches haven’t shown any longevity either. When culture pushes back on Christianity, mainlines sit back and take it, because they know how to manage existing power, they don’t know how to seize it, and evangelicals do, and that’s why ND churches are growing. It’s not the smoke and music and flashy baptisms, it’s the boldness and passion. When Methodists are afraid to say that forcing kids to get puberty blockers is wrong, non-denoms are proud to scream that pre-marital sex is sinful. We tend to operate on a whole other level of conviction, and that means that we want to take over culture at all levels, not just the highest.
@lina12lamm46I’m just responding to points as they come up. It’s not spam, it’s an attempt at a conversation. You don’t have to click on the expand button.
I love your videos and recommend them to many young men I'm discipling. You do a wonderful job explaining difficult topics and you're very knowledgeable (and funny!). Great job man!
Now, as a non-denominational guy myself, I think it's hilarious how you make the baptist comparison. I agree with you on many points and disagree with a lot of my non-denominational mentors' views on sacraments/baptism/role of the Holy Spirit.
A couple things I respectfully disagree with you on is the significance and effect of the sacraments as well as the importance of the Church as an institution. For my explanation to people on the sacraments: baptism is an external action due to the internal action of repentance and coming to faith in Christ. And, communion is the affirmation of our "communal" ;) faith in Christ. It is a memorial of Christ's sacrifice and resurrection and a time of communal prayer for the sins of the body.
I would argue that by putting the emphasis on the Church and its institutional significance, we run into the very same and many dangers we see throughout the history of the Church.
I respect your view of the non-denominational church as a "denomination" (lol) and agree with you on many of the points you had. I'd say it's just a slight difference of view when it comes to certain things that mainline denominations like to hang onto (tradition, liturgy, sacrament focus) and how these slight differences end up being disagreements at the end of the day.
Thanks for your kind comment! I think it's funny though, in the 2nd paragraph you said "we're not Baptist" then proceeded to confess a purely Baptist view of the sacraments and the church in the 3rd paragraph haha
@@redeemedzoomer6053 as the running joke goes: "Non-denominationals are just Baptists" hahaha
there's still some differences! No conferences/conventions running the show and no external governance over the local body to name a couple of examples!
What is your opinion on the Anglican “church for the sake of others” diocese? They have turned over 20 American nondenominational churches into Anglican churches over the last decade. They are converting the entire congregation at once.
Someone on the Minecraft server guessed this. Props to them
In high school, I asked a girl to see the musical Jesus Christ Superstar with me but she couldn't go because she was a non-denominational. Still no idea as to why.
the musical sounds blasphemous tbh
She just didn't want go there with you man
@@jagar5580 - we went on other dates, but JCSS was not allowed by her parents. My guess is that they shun any other religionism that might conflict with their non-dom tenets.
Oh god the smoke machines.
Why. Why?! And the lasers and spotlights too? It's a church service, not a rock concert. I mean have fun I guess but that's definitely not for me.
I try not to judge other congregations within Christianity, and I’ve always struggled with the non-denominational church because of my own experiences with some of them. I find the modern worship style to be very irreverent and unclear in terms of the messages of the readings each day. I’ve sang the same four songs and over at these churches, and it just made me cringe even as a child. It was like we were being pressured to express love for God as opposed to contemplating His Majesty and accepting Him in our hearts. It was very performative.
That being said, the best church I’ve ever been to was a non-denominational biker church. Almost everyone there had struggled with some form of addiction or criminal history; including the pastors, who had to switch places with one another often because they were both personally involved in the treatment/rehabilitation of others. They treated themselves more as an inter-denominational community, likely because many of the members had left their original denominational churches when their struggles were met with judgement and pushback from the laypeople of those churches. Unlike these traditional/historical churches, the biker church saw nothing wrong with inconsistency in attendance or wavering of faith. As previously stated, almost everyone there were former or current drug addicts. It’s only natural that there might be some inconsistency for anyone there. So long as you were respectful of everyone and their journey, you were welcome to pray the rosary, engage in more traditional prayer, and discuss your beliefs with others at church outside of the actual service. If or when someone wanted to move onto another tradition they saw it as a win because they were ultimately seeking growth in Christ. A couple of notable former members still visited every once in a while after they joined another church to help with events or just to participate in Sunday worship there.
To this day I know those people are much better and more devout Christians than many old mainline Christians than I could hope to be. Their faith is certainly stronger than mine. Any time I think demeaning or belittling thoughts about non-denominational or Baptist churches I try to turn my thoughts to the efforts and the people of the biker church.
Your story made me cry tears of joy. We truly have an awesome savior. Those among us who need it most are being served by God's people.
Sounds like the church I attend now.
I met Jesus at a Baptist Church when I was a young kid...I learned how to serve Him using my gifts and how to live out my faith and be an example to my peers in a (Baptist with a HAZE machine) Non Denominational Church. I participated income incredible ministries there, including playing in the Celebrate Recovery band they have!
The thing about the church building not being holy anymore is all about the fact that we are to be holy not the building the body if christ is holy god dwells is within and among those who recognise, worship and follow him making US set apart not the building
Catholic churches in the Western United States (with weird exceptions like the California Missions) are often modern in the suburbs, but historic in the cities. The historic Catholic city churches could use Reconquista as well -- just commute on Sunday too, traffic is much nicer. =)
Although speaking of the California Missions, a lot of them aren't operational parish churches anymore, and they would benefit from a congregation dedicated to their care and maintenance.
The KingdomCraft movie has finally dropped
I have you ask you. When you imagine the kingdom on Earth, do you have an ideal vision of this? If you could EVER make a video describing what the ideal endgame kingdom, what does that look like to you? I really hope you can make a video talking about how the most ideal version of this would look and function. Thank you
Edit: as I'm watching your video on why you're not a non-denominational, it looks like your Minecraft server is an idealist vision of heaven on Earth to me.
FYI, you can use a StoneCutter to make stone bricks 1:1. Might be easier than crafting them.
I can agree with some of your theology and also agree with the issues of non-denominational because we do need to unite the churches regardless of denomination. I hesitate with your reasoning on other aspects because they were your own personal beliefs instead of being backed by something solid. I'd continue to ask Jesus for direction just like I do to because somethings you said will make me ponder. Keep advancing the kingdom
NDG! nondenominational gang!
I think this video exemplify why people keep telling you you're one week away from being catholic: where does the collectivity in the kingdom of God ends? Why is the union of congregations in a denomination needed but not the union of denominations in "the one true church"?
Edit: this is not a gotcha question, I really want you to clarify your point, it is a bit confusing to me
No! The Church doesn't need anymore liberal utopianists!
The reason non-denominational churches will exist in places like Burger King or rented out spaces inside of a mall or even using schools on Sunday morning when no one's in the school is because of finances and the church being too big to host in their small group anymore but not having the money to erect a building. Just what I have been a part of in the past. My dad passed her to church for a long time and since we couldn't afford a building, we hosted services in our town's elementary school on Sunday morning when no one is at school. Once our church got big enough, my dad rented a space on the Town square in which we turn into a makeshift church cuz that's all we could afford to do initially. And my dad is very reverend and studies theology pretty deeply. He's got his master's in theology, reads Greek. and takes the Bible extremely seriously. I just wanted to demonstrate how the Pizza Hut or Burger King church isn't out of disrespect or trying to blend in to the world. But more of a matter of necessity out of money or church size.
Right, but part of my criticism of non-denominational churches is that not being part of an old denomination means lacking resources
40:16 the idea that God thinks your hymns and castles are more beautiful because they’re old is ridiculous. The beauty of your building is not something God is concerned about. It’s what man, in his vanity, is focused on. Jesus taught on hills, in homes, and on beaches. His worship was almost certainly not like the hymns you sing, and his tabernacles not like St. Peter’s basilica.
41:23 it seems as if maybe they sing choral hymns, because they are choirs. Modern Christian music such as Keith Green and Maverick City are widely respected within music as well. Maybe not by choirs. Because it isn’t choral music. 42:23 again. They aren’t singing hillsong. Because it’s a choir. I know many people who put Christian music in their playlist despite not being Christian. I don’t know one who puts hymns on shuffle.
I don't think flat earthers are making Christians look stupid, I think having a hissy fit and gatekeeping Christianity from anti scientific people makes Christians look petty and fractured. I'm very anti- science myself, not a flat earther, but I can sympathize with and tolerate those who are.
Out of curiosity, what denomination are you?
Question for you-what do you think Jesus meant by saying there is coming a time, and it is here, where it doesn't matter where, but to worship in Spirit and unity?
I apologize, misquoted. I meant John 4:23 Spirit and truth.
what books have you read in doing research on this? I go to a non-denominational church and I'm currently just trying to read the bible, church history, and about all denominations. Love your channel!
lol nvm you listed a book but anything else helps
Do babies who aren't baptized and so on go to hell?
Baptist with a smoke machine and no weekend fish fry
When i really wanted to find a church, after finding christ, i picked Baptist. Ive still stuck with my church because they seem to be very bibicaly solid. They arent lgbtq affirming at all, and they make it a point that not only is the world a problem but so are we when we believe ourselves to be superior over others. My pastor is a very honest, down to earth guy who thinks going to church is not only important for us spiritually, but so we can support other christians. He also tries to follow up and ensure we are reading our bible.
Whenever i move, im going to look for another church that isnt baptist, however.
If you're avoiding Baptist, know that non-denominational is the same theology as Baptist lol
Oh! You're quick! Lol
I have no intention to look for a nondenominational church. They seem abit fruity to me. I knew even after finding Christ a year and a half ago that I didn't want a church with bizarre theology.......yet I picked baptist. Lol
I did some reading up beforehand when I found my church. There's tons of churches in my small town, like 13 of them. So......alot to pick from. I definitely knew I didn't want lghdtv affirming and anything that just thought you to go with your heart over the bible and it's teachings. You know, sneaking new age garbage into into the church.
For now, I feel my church is a good church home. I acknowledge that baptist pastors often do...whatever. But I really like my pastor and he's helped me a lot. It was a fantastic church to start with, but I want something more consistent and rooted in the bible after I leave here.
Curious, why you would want to not go to a Baptist church if your experience is so positive and you agree with your pastors teaching and leadership?
@@xcosminax Because, it seems like baptist churches are a mixed bag where the theology is controlled by the pastor. So, it seems like you won't know what you'll get.
At least, that's the conclusion I've come to.
I'm still going to do my research to come to my conclusions, but I also am going off of what people who have been in the faith longer than me say. My pastor even told me that a Baptist church can be a mixed bag, because the pastor essentially makes the theology.
I have trust in my pastor because he seems to be very biblically accurate with his teachings. I haven't noticed anything weird in any sermons. Nothing that made me think "wait, that doesn't sound right."
@@MeatEatingVegan777 In some cases yes. I've visited my fair share of Baptist churches where this is the case, but I'm currently attending one now where the pastor follows Baptist theology and sounds like it is much like yours. People are imperfect, so many churches you go to there's going to be people and leaders that try and lead with their feelings and not what the Bible teaches. All denominations deal with that. I've lived in three different cities since turning 18 and in each I've found a Baptist church that is like you described.
I completely respect Redeemed Zoomer's opinions on the topic of theology. I find his videos to be enlightening, and I don't think I've heard anything he claims to be fact to be untrue. I disagree that the church must be "institutional" like he says, but I agree that we must be active as Christians in the world and in our communities. Our presence should be seen. I don't think our measurer of how impactful a church is needs to be in the number of universities and hospitals a denomination has, but I understand his viewpoint. As he has said many times, he values knowledge and study and the denomination he's a part of values that.
One of the best theology books I have ever read was written by Chris Tomlin (yeah that guy) and it's on the seven Hebrew words of praise, And it's called Holy Roar!
Non denominational is a denomination, ironically.
Lol. Yes this video helps confirm I am a Baptist
I’m commenting so the algorithm shows this to more people - as a non denominational person who loves theology
Same 🙌
43:50 - completely wrong lol. Not that I'm defending Hillsong's heretical teaching, but this is the product of very little research and very plentiful bias assumptions.
Also you place so much emphasis on the church being a building. The church is NOT a building! It is a group of believers united in a local setting! In fact there should be LITTLE beauty in the outside/vanity of the building or the people, the Holy/set apart nature of the church SHOULD be the Holy Spirit!
I’ve been to a non denominational church and a strictly baptist church. The baptist church most definitely felt and was more sacred.
zoomer i want to thank you for the content you make, when I found your channel God spoke through you(i wached the Gospel video) and renewed my faith in God, i'm determened to get rid of my addictions especially pornography adiccion and i haven't wached porn for a week, thank you for the content you make and evangelising you do through it! God bless!
not like "spoke through you" as a vision but as a metaphore for my renewed faith because it has gone numb for a few months
God bless! Even if you sin, you can always come to Jesus the savior every time
@@redeemedzoomer6053 amen brother!