@@SojiFro_0 that’s because that doesn’t exist. The lemedia team went all out full force on every sports talk show to fool casuals when in reality labrun is not top 10. Zero bag, airball freethrows, constant traveling, I can go on and on. Cmon now 🤷🏽♂️
It’s not even close relative to Bron being in the picture. Him being placed #2 distorts the whole ranking because we all know Bron not better than Kobe, Kareem, Magic, or Bird. Bron is Karl Malone…just a guy that played a long time and mastered how to get 25 a night.
U R absolutely correct regarding Bron, IMO....Like Malone, Bron found a way score 25 to 27 pts per game for 20 seasons. The difference between the two, is that alot of Bron's points are garbage time points. He became a stat padder and he doesn't play any defense @masculinitymatters9030
Kareem is not undisputed number 2 even after retiring in the 80's he wasn't seen as the goat or number 1. because people know Magic was the engine that gave Kareem his extended lifeline in the NBA. Looking at the end of 70's entering the 80's Kareem is 1 chip with 5 or so MVP's with his 6th on the crutch of the 80's 6 mvp's and 1 chip is not a person who people view as the goat. Then Magic entered in the 80's and gave him his second chip, then 3 more chips. But he was never the MVP caliber player that he was in the 70's. Hence Magic and Bird was held at a higher rank than him in that period of time. Seriously Kareem is put in the Goat debate because of Lebron and his need to top someone due to his longevity accomplishment. Longevity was never held in a standard of goat even once in the past but now they are using it so Lebron can make it his step stool for the debate where Kareem is number 2 and Lebron overtaking him. Giving him the right to be next to MJ for the Goat debate. Basically think of this like if you step on the known number 2 then the only one left is the number 1. and that's why they put Kareem in number 2 someone Lebron can challenge using his Longevity numbers.
Jordan, Kareem, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Kobe, Hakeem, Russell, Shaq. Bron is nowhere near the top 10....his game has too many glaring weaknesses in his game to even be considered top 10.
If Kobe is just like Mike then he should be #2. Outside of 40,000 pts LBJ and his stats he doesn't deserve a top five because of all the controversy that surrounds his legacy and he's definitely not #2 because he was chasing Kobe (didn't surpass him).
When did LeBron become know for his Basketball IQ.The conversation was that Kobe was a student of the game. Then suddenly, LeBron got a great basketball mind.
@@jainorissolney6669 you’re a smart man. Kobe’s always been known to have the highest basketball IQ and was making several “chase down blocks” then suddenly brun was the chase down block player? Nice try diddy.
Funny thing is Bron isnt the second best player ever. His game has too many glaring holes to even be considered top 10. Legler is just trying to stay in the LaMedia's good grace.
Did you come up with that on your own? "Too many glaring holes" is glaringly and obviously a borrowed meme from the mimetic mining industry of worn-out platitudes.
@@brandonpurdy7658 Kobe didn't have holes. It's impossible for a player with many holes to be better than a player with no holes or very few holes. Lebron has no argument for #2
@@MandownsportsMy only thing is Kobe and Mj’s game isn’t flawless either. Lebron is a better offensive engine than Kobe, better transition player, you can definitely argue the scoring it just doesn’t look as pretty but he does it more efficiently, better driver, better finishing around the rim, post Miami has been a better three point shooter than Kobe, better passer, better playmaker, better passer in the pick and roll and makes more advanced reads by manipulating help side defenders, than he has better career stats, and he was the better playoff performer and performed better in the finals and is better in elimination games. He’s also a more versatile defender.I’m not hating on Kobe I actually have him in my top 5, I’m just stating my reasons he’s better than Kobe without mentioning championships and accolades.
@@abtocool6350 offensive engine, offensive hub etc are just ways to describe a player that dominates the ball and racks up Stats because he is too flawed as a player without the ball to play off-ball exclusively. I'm not fooled by that. Kobe is a better offensive player than lebron and it's not close
I hate when they say Bron played better defensive team's... No he didn't he just didn't have a handle to get to his bag Bron didn't have them skills to get pass the defense stop making excuses for him and tell truth
Yes, there is, but it requires objective evidence to support it, but your species prefers the subjective comfort and vagueness of the "Eye Test." I get it. It works, and it allows your breed and stock to play word and definition games and to constantly move the goal post when you don't like the angle above the horizontal from which the ball was kicked. Comfort zones or not only for Orwellian dystopians. Conceptual Gerrymandering is a good strategy in word wars and "all is fair in love and war." There is no limit to what's necessary to achieve your kinds' ends. Simply put: Anything goes. The Jus ad Bellum within the Haters' jurisdiction supercedes the jus in Bello of the jurisdications against which they are a menace. Love them or hate them, you have to coexist with them, like cats and fleas and water and oil.
The crazy thing is he work for ESPN Tim legler used to have Kobe at number 2 so how did Kobe move from number two and LeBron and Kareem get in front of him and he did that since Kobe passed
Give me an healthy D Wade and I don’t need LeBron. History showed it. Wade was a Champion and MVP without LeBron. But would have LeBron been a champion if he hadn’t went to Miami ? That’s a question to be asked…
Cmon my guy let’s get it right LeBron didn’t have 3 rings and a bubble….its more like a team hop to form a superteam for 2 in a weaker Eastern Conference w one of those seasons being shortened. Then another team hop for 1 to a Superteam then left and built another super team in LA for a bubble shortened season ring. That’s weak sauce player he’s overrated af and his rings are more covered up and disguised like maybelline by his fans and LeMedia that a cover model
I really like your list, also you being able to explain it so eloquently is a plus because as we see as in Tim Legler, he didn’t have a lot of explanation on his selections. You are correct with the big men, thank you for always giving Kareem and Wilt Chamberlain their credit they’re so many times overlooked in these conversations.
Just watch when Lebalco retires. When the dust settles people are going to ask why is James so high on the list? More people are going to realize that Lebronze does not deserve to be considered near the top. He simply doesn't have the career to justify it. Lemedia PR is not going to be able to contain the narrative anymore.
I love your Tier man down. Because the top 5 in your tier is 💯% correct to me and to tell u the truth, anyone after the top five is great to me but the top 5 is greater.
My guess is because he's being told to have Lebron at 2.. my guess again is anyone in media who has lebron top 2 is because they are told to have Lebron at 2.
I agree that LeBron is not in the top five because all of the name you mentioned LeBron has not surpassed points has never then the deciding factor in the goat conversation until LeBron had nothing else to depend on to make his case. It's always been about the championships and dominance with a bit of statistics.
Mel, you brong up an interesting point. 1. If we are comparing you with MJ, but not anyone else. He is skipping the line. 2. James being #2 needs to be justified regardless if it is a personal opinion. There must still be sound reasoning. 3. If you can explain why Mike's #1, why Curry is where he is, Kobe is like Mike, etc, but James is #2 with no explanation execpt "we all know he is number 2". Okay, Timmy, we believe you
Kobe's WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY BETTER than LeSteroids. :egler is part of Klutch Sports too, just like Broussard. Legler has never been a great analyst, he called James Harden the best scorer since Wilt. CLOWN take from ESPN, the home of the worst takes in sports.
I also never had LeBron over Bird. As Rob Parker likes to say, no way no how lol. But there is nothing LeBron can do that Bird can't do. But there are many things bird can do that LeBron can't do. Bird was a better shooter and versatile scorer than LeBron. Better passer than LeBron and bird didn't need to dominate the ball to get his assists. Better rebounder than LeBron at the small forward position and Bird was getting his rebound averages despite playing with McHale and big Chief Parrish. Both bird and LeBron were solid help and weak side defenders but not great on ball defenders. And bird was better in the clutch. Bird was just simply a better basketball player.
He values accolades above everything else which is the safe bet but is flawed because of era specific conditions. I go strictly eye test now. Using that metric mj is the only unquestioned number 1 pick after that its all debateable although i would go with bird and Hakeem for top 3
Is LeBron an all time great? YES! Would I put him on my all time team? NO! Not even close. If you want to argue he would change his playing style.. maybe I would put him on my team. If I want my fantasy team to play and win, give me Bird or about a dozen other small forwards before LeBron. There are so many holes in LeBron's game mostly because it's all about LeBron and not the team. Only and all time team 3 players would hold LeBron down while M.J. whoops the crap out of L.B. until he figures out how the team plays best and wins.
Legler list is trash!! How is Kobe just like mike and that far down?! Wilt never better than shaq! Russell played when it was 8 teams so it’s hard for me to put him in my 10! To me Steph is on Lebron ass Ik he had 2 super team rings but he has beat Lebron more times this era after Lebron started the super team era!! Honorable mention Kd , wilt, Russell Mj Kobe Kareem Magic Bird Lebron Steph Shaq Hakeem Duncan
*Mel if you say something multiple times it becomes the truth* tv personalities start saying he's the goat and it went for years. Now it's the gospel. I know young guys who don't even watch Lebron and they say he's the goat.i told him he was media influenced to think that.
that's a good statement by the great Tim Legler, "it's a person's opinion" someone who's basketball knowledge and opinions I generally agree with, except this time...but if I had to come up with a top 10 🤔 #10 Wilt Chamberlain #9 Lebron James #8 Magic Johnson #7 Hakeem the Dream #6 Charles Barkley #5 Larry Bird #4 Tim Duncan #3 Kobe Bryant #2 kareem Abdul Jabbar #1 M.J. 🏀
Only thing I’ve ever somewhat disagreed with you on is the KD Steph take. Kd wasn’t the leader he was the best player and leading scorer but as far as leadership in locker room it was Steph and Dray. Also when we look back there was a lot of times where kd was messing up the warriors offensive flow ball stopping. As well as the last championship Steph almost won finals mvp but he had one bad game. Watching the games you would see teams leave kd open on miscommunication trying to make sure Steph didn’t get off. Other than that I agree it shouldn’t be held against kd and though
I have my top 15 locked in, one strict requirement I have is that you have to have won more than once as the #1 option... period, so anyone that won once, or was the #1 option just once, or never won is immediately disqualified, my top 15 goes like this, and I include BAA/NBL/ABA stuff, if you don't just slide up number 15 and put in West and Oscar, that would be strictly NBA 1. Michael Jordan 2. Bill Russell 3. Kobe Bryant 4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson 5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Larry Bird 7. Wilt Chamberlain 8. Tim Duncan 9. LeBron James 10. Hakeem Olajuwon 11. Shaquille O'Neal 12. Kevin Durant 13. *'Dr. J' Julius Erving 14. *George Mikan 15. Stephen Curry I am prepared to present and defend my reasoning for each spot, my top 13(12 if you're strictly NBA)are non negotiable for me after all I have researched, I made a list of requirements, made it as strict as I could possibly get and still have atleast 10 guys, this is how it came out, to be a candidate for top 10 all time imo, you must have: •10+ Playoff Appearances •4+ Conference Finals Appearances •3+ NBA Finals Appearances •2+ NBA Championships •2+ NBA Finals MVP •1+ NBA MVP •10+ All NBA Selections(1st,2nd,3rd) •Make All Rookie Team(1st,2nd) •12+ All Star Appearances •10+ Additional Awards(more of these or stuff not mentioned, eg. ROY, DPOY, Scoring, Rebounding, Assists, Steals, or Block Titles, All Star Game MVP, etc.) •You have to have been the number 1 option and/or part of a great tandem for multiple title runs •Have to hold some kind of NBA Record •Be Top 25 All Time in Playoff Win Shares •Be Top 25 All time in Playoff VORP •First Ballot Hall of Fame inductee 15 requirements, the older guys don't have all 15 boxes available, but even still, only 2 can check 100% of the boxes available to them, Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain, keep that in mind, there are 8 players that check all 15 boxes, listed chronologically they are, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 'Magic' Johnson, Larry Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon, Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, & Tim Duncan, and there are 2 active players that check all the boxes with the exception of their inevitable First Ballot HOF induction, those 2 guys are LeBron James and Kevin Durant, if you include ABA equivalent awards and statistics, Dr. J also checks all the boxes that's why they are locked in as my top 13, George Mikan checks all the boxes he can aswell, but has by far the fewest to check of anyone you would look at, he gets spot 14 for that, Steph is missing 4 boxes, 10+ Playoff Appearances, 2+ Finals MVP, 12+ All Star Appearances, and First Ballot HOF, I feel that 3 of those are inevitable(Steph has 9 Playoff appearances, 10 All Stars, and is a first ballot HOF player), but the Finals MVP is gonna be rough, but if he gets it, he is in this conversation 💯 until then, sorry kid not enough on the resumé just yet 🤷♂️
Everyone has a opinion but when I witnessed watching MJ play.i did not leave the TV set. The Bulls was my team I miss church to watch the bulls on Sunday when they play at 1 pm. .
I think with Hakeem it’s how many years was he that dominant…I have to to see myself , but as a complete prime player he’s there with Mj Kobe and Kareem Skill wise
I like your tier list, and giving Isiah his props, he was a little beast and one of my personal top 5 favorite players all time. I would put Dr. J over KD based on overall resume including his early/best years with the Nets (ABA).
For any Lebron fan out there I have a question, especially to the most staunch ones tho… What if Lebron had Mike’s on court game (shooting, post game, FT’s, defense, endurance/motor, etc) and Mike had Lebron’s… and Lebron had 10 scoring titles and made 9 all-def 1st teams while Mike had 1 scoring title and 5 all-def 1st teams… and Lebron had 6 championships in the form of two 3-peats with a retirement playing another sport in between, put up the numbers Mike did and finished each 3-peat like Mike did averaging 40+ in one and then carrying the oldest team in nba history to win a championship in ‘98 finishing it off having 45 of his teams 87 points with the steal & shot (and pose) at the end… while Mike had the 4 championships and 6 losses winning and losing them just like Lebron did… and Mike had DWade, CBosh, Kyrie, KLove & AD while Lebron had Scottie… and Lebron had all the clutch shots & moments Mike had and Mike’s clutch game was what Lebron’s is… if Mike had the series against Dallas and the sweeps in the Finals while Lebron was undefeated… if Lebron had 5 reg MVP’s and 6 Finals MVP’s while Mike had 4 of each… it Mike came in after Lebron and wore his/Lebron’s # 23, etc etc. If everything was flip flopped to where Lebron had Mike’s game and legacy & Mike had Lebron’s, what would your response be to someone saying that Mike was better than/above Lebron?
MJ has never been in a team with another best player of another team nor had a teammate who became FINALS MVP (like Magic, D Wade and Shaq)… So that’s my narrative with MJ the GOAT!
Agree with your criteria. Start with best player and then factor winning. MJ was really the goat on first 3-peat. Maybe even before that. The second 3-peat and the domination factor put him out of reach. Bubble Ring: I respect the bubble ring based on this criteria. Hard work, defense, and continuity wins championships. The lakers had the best record in the west all season. Clippers were favorite and kawhi was resting a lot. All that work the lakers put in through out the year taking every game seriously was really the secret sauce. Not just the competition and factors concerning covid. I Give lebron credit for getting his team ready from game 1.
Aye what it do gang? To add on to what u said out the gate. He discredited Kobe for having Shaq and Shaq winning the MVP those 3xs but didn't discredit Steph for having K.D and to top it off he didn't discredit Lebron for being on D Wade's team. Personally I don't discredit Kobe cuh without Kobe they wouldn't have won period and the point differential between Shaq & Kobe was 1 or 2 pts on those title runs. If you notice they didn't win until Kobe started playing real minutes. Secondly I'm of the opinion that Miami was D.Wades team as well as GSW was Stephs team even with Lebron and K.D joining them. So if you are going to discredit Kobe for joining Shaqs team then you would have to discredit Lebron and K.D for joining other Superstars teams to get a ring. Also if you notice that everyone in his top 6 has done something outstanding and record breaking that doesn't have anything to do with longevity at all. 4 of those guys have 5 or more championships and Wilt literally scored 100 points in a game and averaged 50 points in a season. Nothing Lebron has done in his entire career can hold a candle to those other 5 guys but because of the term called "The Illusory Truth" is why Lebron is even in the convo. That term means when you say something so much that people start to believe it's true even when the facts prove it's a lie
Dwight Howard over Patrick Ewing? Really! Jerry West not even in the top-25? This list is mostly correct but has some glaring errors. Dirk shouldn’t even in the top-30 convo. I’d take Pistol, Clyde, GP, McHale, Thurmond, Rick Barry, or Hondo over Dirk a thousand times.
@@Mandownsports : I remember Dwight…poor passer from the post, average at best from the outside, disappeared in the clutch. He also wasn’t a great rebounder for his athletic ability. Dude should’ve had Rodman-like numbers at least year-in and year-out. Sorry, but Beetlejuice way underachieved.
While rings has a lot to do with the players around you, health, match-ups, and competition...eye test, and individual talent don't lie. Ask yourself, for 100 billion dollar prize if you win, list the players (in order) in their prime to lead your team? MJ, Kareem, Dream, Kobe, Shaq, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Moses, Lebron. Next in no order...Dr.J, Bernard King, Tim Duncan, Barkley, Russell, Isaiah, Admiral, Steph, West, Oscar. 😊
Honestly there’s nothing to say about LeBron and in my humble opinion I feel like because of his media personality he was COMPELLED to put LeBron at 2. LeBron wouldn’t ever be in my top 5, he has too many deficiencies in his game for that. People put LeBron at 2 because he’s LeBron let’s keep it real
Bron does not fit in the middle of MJ and Kareem hahaha. I think he trolling to show how ridiculous it is to put Bron to but the media must be inserted or perhaps lose their job.
@mel, u are 💯 right... The reason why they don't go in depth on LeBron James is they use analytics to make their case on him.. MJ is the Goat for one reason and one reason only " HIS PASSION And love FOR THE GAME" was unmatched. Kobe came close real close. Mike played for the people he played year around and played while shooting a movie. .. All he wanted to do was play basketball... KOBE hands down #2 if kobe is not #2 then u put him 7 spots above LeBron
@@Mandownsports past players need to stop it.. if u r salty because of what MJ or Kobe done 2u when u played keep it real and say that give them players there flowers... And true fans of the sport not the ones who jus follow and don't have a team jus a fan of one player need to understand true fans don't hate on LeBron James and don't take anything from him but when u were lucky to see Mike bird magic Kareem John Stockton Karl Malone David Robinson Charles Barkley Kobe Shaq and up to the ones like LeBron James the competitiveness was totally different the game then and now is totally different so true fans jus appreciate the game more it be main stream media and past players who trying to stay relevant make those narratives for a pay day and attention. We appreciate all eras we jus get defensive when you talk about a guy who played with passion with his heart getting beat up night in and night out who ur goat says it's his GOAT and says he is chasing who also was the blue print for all these players drag his name with false narratives and a guy like Kobe Bryant RIP who also played jus as hard give that man his flowers stop saying he not to 5 and stop judging him by analytics and judge him with ur eyes because the eyes don't lie
You nailed it LEBRON had all types of all stars to join his teams to win championships and they give LEBRON all types of credit but kevin Durant gets none and Jordan never asked anyone to join him even the owner of the bulls said mj never came to him asking for help and pippen wasn't an all star when he joined the team and Rodman wasn't some scoring champion all star man he was in his 30's who was great on defense
And the fact that Jordan had to work from the ground up working with a drugged up team LEBRON never had to worry about that . Jordan had to go th beatings and hardship and once he got past that and got better teammates and got past the Pistons and the Lakers it was over 6-0 with only One all star and pippen had to work hard to get to that point there wasn't and hand picking players to help MJ to get over the hump.
I understand why Magic is 1 Pg over Isiah because of Pro Accomplishments Rings, MVPs, and size(Pause) But don't forget on the head up like finals. Zeke ate Magics lunch twice. Once on a busted ankle. Magic won one of those on some suspect calls, but hey it is what it is. I'd take Zeke over Magic on Chicago loyalty.
Its your opinion but Rodman should be on that chart. He the best defender ever, and the best rebounder ever, he the only player who could really defend all 5 positions, And wilt should be 6
Everybody that didn't have LeBron in their top five was fired from ESPN look it up ESPN forced or only hired people that had LeBron either ranked number 1 or number 2 Tim legler at one time had Kobe number 2 now he's moved Kobe to number 9 how did Kobe fall from number 2 to number 9 ESPN bullied him 😮🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Also, I think Stephen Curry is always ranked too high in these conversations, I believe they go for just looking at the resume because I believe there’s many point guards that could easily be ranked over him. Also, isn’t it funny how people choose the different narratives of who carried who, according to their alliance to the player that they like … again great show keep putting our great contact, much appreciated!
Steph curry is top 10 because of his impact on the game, only 6”3 player in history to create a dynasty and dominate the Game. And it’s noone historically that has ever played like Steph Goat efficiency Most 20 point quarters in Nba History
KD did NOT go to the Warriors and win two rings for Steph.... he came from the Thunder, who hadn't won any rings and went to the Warriors to get two rings through Steph, Klay & Draymond.....
@@tjackson2162 nah, he led the Warriors to 2 rings. The Warriors have NEVER repeated when led by Steph but they easily repeated when led by KD and would've easily 3peated if he didn't get hurt 🤷
I dont know for someone that is supposed to be a pass first scorer, when compared to a true passer he falls very short. Other than points and blocks Magic got him on Assist, Rebounds, steals, triple doubles team success… so yeah, I don’t know when he passed Magic. Just because he’s more athletic doesn’t make him greater than Magic.
Them guys that work at espn ain’t trying to lose their jobs so yeah LBJ #2 because they have to say that for ratings and controversy but offsets legs probably don’t have him in his top 10 just like a lot players former and current don’t he couldn’t even explain why he got him at 2
Durant went GS where Steph was winning championships with or without Durant , it hasn’t happened for Durant without Steph , together is powerful force , apart Steph still a killer Durant need more …… now I know Mandown a Durant fan but it’s Steph team , Durant came in to get chips with a winning team
Yes, most everybody, including on that panel, knows where leBron ranks. Your panel is just different, and that's okay. We're all God's creatures, even the different ones.
Why lebron get. A pass for stacking the deck that's doing what mainstream media do at least the other guys that stack the deck we never seen them cower down
Ranking players is not objective. It’s fact based. There is ONE GOAL. Lebron and KD didn’t accomplish that goal until they left and joined allstars so neither should be top 10. And KD has never been better than Steph. KD just benefited from being on a team that Steph already built into a champion.
I’ll never understand putting Bron above Kobe, Magic, Duncan, and Kareem.
@@SojiFro_0 that’s because that doesn’t exist. The lemedia team went all out full force on every sports talk show to fool casuals when in reality labrun is not top 10. Zero bag, airball freethrows, constant traveling, I can go on and on. Cmon now 🤷🏽♂️
Jordan is the undisputed goat
It’s not even close relative to Bron being in the picture. Him being placed #2 distorts the whole ranking because we all know Bron not better than Kobe, Kareem, Magic, or Bird. Bron is Karl Malone…just a guy that played a long time and mastered how to get 25 a night.
Mostly undisputed, but not totally. I will say that ranking Jordan as #1 at least isn't stupid. As to ranking Kobe over LeBron, well...
U R absolutely correct regarding Bron, IMO....Like Malone, Bron found a way score 25 to 27 pts per game for 20 seasons. The difference between the two, is that alot of Bron's points are garbage time points. He became a stat padder and he doesn't play any defense @masculinitymatters9030
@@masculinitymatters9030 In the words of this channels content creator, "No, we don't ALL know" Bron not better than XYZ123....
Jordan, Kareem, Kobe, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Shaq, Dream, Russell, Duncan.
Kareem is not undisputed number 2 even after retiring in the 80's he wasn't seen as the goat or number 1. because people know Magic was the engine that gave Kareem his extended lifeline in the NBA. Looking at the end of 70's entering the 80's Kareem is 1 chip with 5 or so MVP's with his 6th on the crutch of the 80's 6 mvp's and 1 chip is not a person who people view as the goat. Then Magic entered in the 80's and gave him his second chip, then 3 more chips. But he was never the MVP caliber player that he was in the 70's. Hence Magic and Bird was held at a higher rank than him in that period of time. Seriously Kareem is put in the Goat debate because of Lebron and his need to top someone due to his longevity accomplishment. Longevity was never held in a standard of goat even once in the past but now they are using it so Lebron can make it his step stool for the debate where Kareem is number 2 and Lebron overtaking him. Giving him the right to be next to MJ for the Goat debate. Basically think of this like if you step on the known number 2 then the only one left is the number 1. and that's why they put Kareem in number 2 someone Lebron can challenge using his Longevity numbers.
Good list bro! I have the same players in different order! Jordan is #1
Jordan
Kareem
Russell
Kobe
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Duncan
Hakeem
Shaq
Solid 👍🏽
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Jordan, Kareem, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Kobe, Hakeem, Russell, Shaq. Bron is nowhere near the top 10....his game has too many glaring weaknesses in his game to even be considered top 10.
If Kobe is just like Mike then he should be #2. Outside of 40,000 pts LBJ and his stats he doesn't deserve a top five because of all the controversy that surrounds his legacy and he's definitely not #2 because he was chasing Kobe (didn't surpass him).
I like how most people have Kobe ranked ahead of Shaq all time but always discredit Kobe for playing with Shaq. Make it make sense
@@swagrat4403 lemedia team started that. That never existed before labrun sent them on their paid missions. 💯
When did LeBron become know for his Basketball IQ.The conversation was that Kobe was a student of the game. Then suddenly, LeBron got a great basketball mind.
That's a great question 🤔
@@jainorissolney6669 you’re a smart man. Kobe’s always been known to have the highest basketball IQ and was making several “chase down blocks” then suddenly brun was the chase down block player? Nice try diddy.
Funny thing is Bron isnt the second best player ever. His game has too many glaring holes to even be considered top 10. Legler is just trying to stay in the LaMedia's good grace.
Shaq had holes, but both were dominant. Lebron isn't Jordan, but come on, nobody other than Kareem has an argument.
Did you come up with that on your own? "Too many glaring holes" is glaringly and obviously a borrowed meme from the mimetic mining industry of worn-out platitudes.
@@brandonpurdy7658 Kobe didn't have holes. It's impossible for a player with many holes to be better than a player with no holes or very few holes. Lebron has no argument for #2
@@MandownsportsMy only thing is Kobe and Mj’s game isn’t flawless either. Lebron is a better offensive engine than Kobe, better transition player, you can definitely argue the scoring it just doesn’t look as pretty but he does it more efficiently, better driver, better finishing around the rim, post Miami has been a better three point shooter than Kobe, better passer, better playmaker, better passer in the pick and roll and makes more advanced reads by manipulating help side defenders, than he has better career stats, and he was the better playoff performer and performed better in the finals and is better in elimination games. He’s also a more versatile defender.I’m not hating on Kobe I actually have him in my top 5, I’m just stating my reasons he’s better than Kobe without mentioning championships and accolades.
@@abtocool6350 offensive engine, offensive hub etc are just ways to describe a player that dominates the ball and racks up Stats because he is too flawed as a player without the ball to play off-ball exclusively. I'm not fooled by that. Kobe is a better offensive player than lebron and it's not close
I hate when they say Bron played better defensive team's... No he didn't he just didn't have a handle to get to his bag Bron didn't have them skills to get pass the defense stop making excuses for him and tell truth
MJ, Bird, Hakeem and Kobe are the most complete players ever. They had it all !
Politicians in sports. STOP it. There is no case to make LBJ 2; therefore, he dodged the rationale
There's absolutely no way lebron is 2nd all time!
Yes, there is, but it requires objective evidence to support it, but your species prefers the subjective comfort and vagueness of the "Eye Test." I get it. It works, and it allows your breed and stock to play word and definition games and to constantly move the goal post when you don't like the angle above the horizontal from which the ball was kicked. Comfort zones or not only for Orwellian dystopians. Conceptual Gerrymandering is a good strategy in word wars and "all is fair in love and war." There is no limit to what's necessary to achieve your kinds' ends. Simply put: Anything goes. The Jus ad Bellum within the Haters' jurisdiction supercedes the jus in Bello of the jurisdications against which they are a menace. Love them or hate them, you have to coexist with them, like cats and fleas and water and oil.
The crazy thing is he work for ESPN Tim legler used to have Kobe at number 2 so how did Kobe move from number two and LeBron and Kareem get in front of him and he did that since Kobe passed
MJ💯🐐.
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Hakeem
7. Russel
8. Duncan
9. Big O
10. Wilt
The leMedia narrative has sunk in so much that we all 4get that wade is better
Give me an healthy D Wade and I don’t need LeBron. History showed it. Wade was a Champion and MVP without LeBron. But would have LeBron been a champion if he hadn’t went to Miami ? That’s a question to be asked…
@@bossherbbronson9939 Wade, Kyrie, AD and Ray Allen all saved labrun legacy. 💯
He works for ESPN. Gotta keep pushing LeBron
Lebron is a keep your job pick
Exactly it's no difference between KD, steph, and what Bron did!!!
Cmon my guy let’s get it right LeBron didn’t have 3 rings and a bubble….its more like a team hop to form a superteam for 2 in a weaker Eastern Conference w one of those seasons being shortened. Then another team hop for 1 to a Superteam then left and built another super team in LA for a bubble shortened season ring. That’s weak sauce player he’s overrated af and his rings are more covered up and disguised like maybelline by his fans and LeMedia that a cover model
I really like your list, also you being able to explain it so eloquently is a plus because as we see as in Tim Legler, he didn’t have a lot of explanation on his selections. You are correct with the big men, thank you for always giving Kareem and Wilt Chamberlain their credit they’re so many times overlooked in these conversations.
Just watch when Lebalco retires. When the dust settles people are going to ask why is James so high on the list?
More people are going to realize that Lebronze does not deserve to be considered near the top. He simply doesn't have the career to justify it.
Lemedia PR is not going to be able to contain the narrative anymore.
How LeBron number 2 when did he pass kobe man please LeBron not even in my top 10
All Steph Curry is good at is the three points, and that is his game that's it
I love your Tier man down. Because the top 5 in your tier is 💯% correct to me and to tell u the truth, anyone after the top five is great to me but the top 5 is greater.
My guess is because he's being told to have Lebron at 2.. my guess again is anyone in media who has lebron top 2 is because they are told to have Lebron at 2.
1.Air
2.Magic
3.Stilt
4.Captain
5.Mamba
6.Legend
7.Diesel
8.Big Fundamental
9.11 Rings
10.King
I'll put jokic over curry..jokic 3 mvps 1 finals mvp..curry only 1 finals mvp n 2 regular...jokic>kd>curry
@@thengyang5537 ain't no way dawg
I got MJ, Kareem, Russell, Magic, Kobe is my top 5
I agree that LeBron is not in the top five because all of the name you mentioned LeBron has not surpassed points has never then the deciding factor in the goat conversation until LeBron had nothing else to depend on to make his case. It's always been about the championships and dominance with a bit of statistics.
Excellent top five bro! 💯🔥 Love it!
@@HitEm-h2h Thanks!
He's the thing nobody ever considered Kareem the GOAT but as soon as lebron passed him he became the goat 🤔
@@KeithAdams-o3b I guess 6 championships don't mean anything
My picks mj,magic,bird,wilt,Hakeem,Kareem,Kobe,Julius,Moses,Barkley,!
Mel, you brong up an interesting point.
1. If we are comparing you with MJ, but not anyone else. He is skipping the line.
2. James being #2 needs to be justified regardless if it is a personal opinion. There must still be sound reasoning.
3. If you can explain why Mike's #1, why Curry is where he is, Kobe is like Mike, etc, but James is #2 with no explanation execpt "we all know he is number 2".
Okay, Timmy, we believe you
@@TOP_OF_NEW_YORK my point exactly 💯
@Mandownsports Clutch's p Is paying for altered stats
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Kobe's WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY BETTER than LeSteroids.
:egler is part of Klutch Sports too, just like Broussard.
Legler has never been a great analyst, he called James Harden the best scorer since Wilt.
CLOWN take from ESPN, the home of the worst takes in sports.
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 !!!!!!!!$
For lebum not even in kobe atmosphere when did he pass kobe it should never be a goat debate
1. Mike
2. Kobe
3. Duncan
4. Magic
5. Kareem
6. Lebron
7. Shaq
8. Steph
9. Bird
10. Hakeem
Wilt and Russell should be around 5 and 6 imo , Lebron should be around 9 or 10 . Respect your list tho
Kareem was better than Duncan and so was Hakeem.
I also never had LeBron over Bird. As Rob Parker likes to say, no way no how lol. But there is nothing LeBron can do that Bird can't do. But there are many things bird can do that LeBron can't do. Bird was a better shooter and versatile scorer than LeBron. Better passer than LeBron and bird didn't need to dominate the ball to get his assists. Better rebounder than LeBron at the small forward position and Bird was getting his rebound averages despite playing with McHale and big Chief Parrish. Both bird and LeBron were solid help and weak side defenders but not great on ball defenders. And bird was better in the clutch. Bird was just simply a better basketball player.
I seen enough of both players and it is not even close!! Jordan is better on offense and defense!!
He values accolades above everything else which is the safe bet but is flawed because of era specific conditions. I go strictly eye test now. Using that metric mj is the only unquestioned number 1 pick after that its all debateable although i would go with bird and Hakeem for top 3
Lames is lucky people even give him number 2
Is LeBron an all time great? YES! Would I put him on my all time team? NO! Not even close. If you want to argue he would change his playing style.. maybe I would put him on my team. If I want my fantasy team to play and win, give me Bird or about a dozen other small forwards before LeBron. There are so many holes in LeBron's game mostly because it's all about LeBron and not the team. Only and all time team 3 players would hold LeBron down while M.J. whoops the crap out of L.B. until he figures out how the team plays best and wins.
Legler list is trash!! How is Kobe just like mike and that far down?! Wilt never better than shaq! Russell played when it was 8 teams so it’s hard for me to put him in my 10! To me Steph is on Lebron ass Ik he had 2 super team rings but he has beat Lebron more times this era after Lebron started the super team era!! Honorable mention Kd , wilt, Russell
Mj
Kobe
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Lebron
Steph
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
*Mel if you say something multiple times it becomes the truth* tv personalities start saying he's the goat and it went for years. Now it's the gospel. I know young guys who don't even watch Lebron and they say he's the goat.i told him he was media influenced to think that.
that's a good statement by the great Tim Legler, "it's a person's opinion" someone who's basketball knowledge and opinions I generally agree with, except this time...but if I had to come up with a top 10 🤔 #10 Wilt Chamberlain #9 Lebron James #8 Magic Johnson #7 Hakeem the Dream #6 Charles Barkley #5 Larry Bird #4 Tim Duncan #3 Kobe Bryant #2 kareem Abdul Jabbar #1 M.J. 🏀
Only thing I’ve ever somewhat disagreed with you on is the KD Steph take. Kd wasn’t the leader he was the best player and leading scorer but as far as leadership in locker room it was Steph and Dray. Also when we look back there was a lot of times where kd was messing up the warriors offensive flow ball stopping. As well as the last championship Steph almost won finals mvp but he had one bad game. Watching the games you would see teams leave kd open on miscommunication trying to make sure Steph didn’t get off. Other than that I agree it shouldn’t be held against kd and though
I have my top 15 locked in, one strict requirement I have is that you have to have won more than once as the #1 option... period, so anyone that won once, or was the #1 option just once, or never won is immediately disqualified, my top 15 goes like this, and I include BAA/NBL/ABA stuff, if you don't just slide up number 15 and put in West and Oscar, that would be strictly NBA
1. Michael Jordan
2. Bill Russell
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Larry Bird
7. Wilt Chamberlain
8. Tim Duncan
9. LeBron James
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Shaquille O'Neal
12. Kevin Durant
13. *'Dr. J' Julius Erving
14. *George Mikan
15. Stephen Curry
I am prepared to present and defend my reasoning for each spot, my top 13(12 if you're strictly NBA)are non negotiable for me after all I have researched, I made a list of requirements, made it as strict as I could possibly get and still have atleast 10 guys, this is how it came out, to be a candidate for top 10 all time imo, you must have:
•10+ Playoff Appearances
•4+ Conference Finals Appearances
•3+ NBA Finals Appearances
•2+ NBA Championships
•2+ NBA Finals MVP
•1+ NBA MVP
•10+ All NBA Selections(1st,2nd,3rd)
•Make All Rookie Team(1st,2nd)
•12+ All Star Appearances
•10+ Additional Awards(more of these or stuff not mentioned, eg. ROY, DPOY, Scoring, Rebounding, Assists, Steals, or Block Titles, All Star Game MVP, etc.)
•You have to have been the number 1 option and/or part of a great tandem for multiple title runs
•Have to hold some kind of NBA Record
•Be Top 25 All Time in Playoff Win Shares
•Be Top 25 All time in Playoff VORP
•First Ballot Hall of Fame inductee
15 requirements, the older guys don't have all 15 boxes available, but even still, only 2 can check 100% of the boxes available to them, Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain, keep that in mind, there are 8 players that check all 15 boxes, listed chronologically they are, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 'Magic' Johnson, Larry Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon, Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, & Tim Duncan, and there are 2 active players that check all the boxes with the exception of their inevitable First Ballot HOF induction, those 2 guys are LeBron James and Kevin Durant, if you include ABA equivalent awards and statistics, Dr. J also checks all the boxes that's why they are locked in as my top 13, George Mikan checks all the boxes he can aswell, but has by far the fewest to check of anyone you would look at, he gets spot 14 for that, Steph is missing 4 boxes, 10+ Playoff Appearances, 2+ Finals MVP, 12+ All Star Appearances, and First Ballot HOF, I feel that 3 of those are inevitable(Steph has 9 Playoff appearances, 10 All Stars, and is a first ballot HOF player), but the Finals MVP is gonna be rough, but if he gets it, he is in this conversation 💯 until then, sorry kid not enough on the resumé just yet 🤷♂️
Everyone has a opinion but when I witnessed watching MJ play.i did not leave the TV set. The Bulls was my team I miss church to watch the bulls on Sunday when they play at 1 pm. .
I think with Hakeem it’s how many years was he that dominant…I have to to see myself , but as a complete prime player he’s there with Mj Kobe and Kareem Skill wise
Dream is the most skilled center I've ever seen, by a good amount.
I like your tier list, and giving Isiah his props, he was a little beast and one of my personal top 5 favorite players all time. I would put Dr. J over KD based on overall resume including his early/best years with the Nets (ABA).
For any Lebron fan out there I have a question, especially to the most staunch ones tho…
What if Lebron had Mike’s on court game (shooting, post game, FT’s, defense, endurance/motor, etc) and Mike had Lebron’s… and Lebron had 10 scoring titles and made 9 all-def 1st teams while Mike had 1 scoring title and 5 all-def 1st teams… and Lebron had 6 championships in the form of two 3-peats with a retirement playing another sport in between, put up the numbers Mike did and finished each 3-peat like Mike did averaging 40+ in one and then carrying the oldest team in nba history to win a championship in ‘98 finishing it off having 45 of his teams 87 points with the steal & shot (and pose) at the end… while Mike had the 4 championships and 6 losses winning and losing them just like Lebron did… and Mike had DWade, CBosh, Kyrie, KLove & AD while Lebron had Scottie… and Lebron had all the clutch shots & moments Mike had and Mike’s clutch game was what Lebron’s is… if Mike had the series against Dallas and the sweeps in the Finals while Lebron was undefeated… if Lebron had 5 reg MVP’s and 6 Finals MVP’s while Mike had 4 of each… it Mike came in after Lebron and wore his/Lebron’s # 23, etc etc.
If everything was flip flopped to where Lebron had Mike’s game and legacy & Mike had Lebron’s, what would your response be to someone saying that Mike was better than/above Lebron?
Tim has never said anything other than Jordan being his number 1. He has said it several times.
Legler mentioned gasol when talking about kobe to say that kobe needed top tier help for those 2 rings, it was shot at kobe
MJ has never been in a team with another best player of another team nor had a teammate who became FINALS MVP (like Magic, D Wade and Shaq)…
So that’s my narrative with MJ the GOAT!
Lebron and larry is hard but if you remove athletic ability and rait fundamentals larry bird is the better player easily.
Agree with your criteria. Start with best player and then factor winning.
MJ was really the goat on first 3-peat. Maybe even before that. The second 3-peat and the domination factor put him out of reach.
Bubble Ring: I respect the bubble ring based on this criteria. Hard work, defense, and continuity wins championships. The lakers had the best record in the west all season. Clippers were favorite and kawhi was resting a lot. All that work the lakers put in through out the year taking every game seriously was really the secret sauce. Not just the competition and factors concerning covid. I Give lebron credit for getting his team ready from game 1.
I can respect that 💯
MJ Wilt (Bird, Magic, Kareem, Lebron, Kobe) Shaq, Russel Nikola Jokić , Allen Iverson
Tim just don’t want to get fired. That’s why he say we talk about him a lot
At the end of the day ring's are ring's and it only really matters if you are finals MVP
Aye what it do gang? To add on to what u said out the gate. He discredited Kobe for having Shaq and Shaq winning the MVP those 3xs but didn't discredit Steph for having K.D and to top it off he didn't discredit Lebron for being on D Wade's team. Personally I don't discredit Kobe cuh without Kobe they wouldn't have won period and the point differential between Shaq & Kobe was 1 or 2 pts on those title runs. If you notice they didn't win until Kobe started playing real minutes.
Secondly I'm of the opinion that Miami was D.Wades team as well as GSW was Stephs team even with Lebron and K.D joining them. So if you are going to discredit Kobe for joining Shaqs team then you would have to discredit Lebron and K.D for joining other Superstars teams to get a ring.
Also if you notice that everyone in his top 6 has done something outstanding and record breaking that doesn't have anything to do with longevity at all. 4 of those guys have 5 or more championships and Wilt literally scored 100 points in a game and averaged 50 points in a season. Nothing Lebron has done in his entire career can hold a candle to those other 5 guys but because of the term called "The Illusory Truth" is why Lebron is even in the convo.
That term means when you say something so much that people start to believe it's true even when the facts prove it's a lie
Steph was not #2 on no team that was Steph team KD was a guest
You miss the point he was talking about kd stats and overall impact on those championships which was better than steph
Dwight Howard over Patrick Ewing? Really! Jerry West not even in the top-25? This list is mostly correct but has some glaring errors.
Dirk shouldn’t even in the top-30 convo. I’d take Pistol, Clyde, GP, McHale, Thurmond, Rick Barry, or Hondo over Dirk a thousand times.
Yall must have forgot about Dwight
@@Mandownsports : I remember Dwight…poor passer from the post, average at best from the outside, disappeared in the clutch. He also wasn’t a great rebounder for his athletic ability. Dude should’ve had Rodman-like numbers at least year-in and year-out. Sorry, but Beetlejuice way underachieved.
@@Mandownsports Dwight was soft for a big man of his talents.
@@Mandownsports No GM would ever take Dwight Howard over Patrick Ewing in a mock all-time draft.
@@DeCurtaRican rather he was soft or not is irrelevant. I'm judging the player and his accomplishments
MJ
Kareem
Kobe
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Russell
Wit
Hakeem
Cousy
Winning is the GOAL. You can’t make up your own criteria.
@@JamarLewis-se7kz who can make a criteria?
@@Mandownsports I have already answered that
I firmly believe that had kd stayed in okc and they kept those guys together that they was gonna start winning in the next year or two.
MJ. 🐐. PERIOD. DONE. GAME.
While rings has a lot to do with the players around you, health, match-ups, and competition...eye test, and individual talent don't lie. Ask yourself, for 100 billion dollar prize if you win, list the players (in order) in their prime to lead your team?
MJ, Kareem, Dream, Kobe, Shaq, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Moses, Lebron.
Next in no order...Dr.J, Bernard King, Tim Duncan, Barkley, Russell, Isaiah, Admiral, Steph, West, Oscar. 😊
Honestly there’s nothing to say about LeBron and in my humble opinion I feel like because of his media personality he was COMPELLED to put LeBron at 2. LeBron wouldn’t ever be in my top 5, he has too many deficiencies in his game for that. People put LeBron at 2 because he’s LeBron let’s keep it real
Bron does not fit in the middle of MJ and Kareem hahaha. I think he trolling to show how ridiculous it is to put Bron to but the media must be inserted or perhaps lose their job.
No bull 🤨
#7 at best!
@mel, u are 💯 right... The reason why they don't go in depth on LeBron James is they use analytics to make their case on him.. MJ is the Goat for one reason and one reason only " HIS PASSION And love FOR THE GAME" was unmatched. Kobe came close real close. Mike played for the people he played year around and played while shooting a movie. .. All he wanted to do was play basketball... KOBE hands down #2 if kobe is not #2 then u put him 7 spots above LeBron
@@dayenite31 preach 🙌
@@Mandownsports past players need to stop it.. if u r salty because of what MJ or Kobe done 2u when u played keep it real and say that give them players there flowers... And true fans of the sport not the ones who jus follow and don't have a team jus a fan of one player need to understand true fans don't hate on LeBron James and don't take anything from him but when u were lucky to see Mike bird magic Kareem John Stockton Karl Malone David Robinson Charles Barkley Kobe Shaq and up to the ones like LeBron James the competitiveness was totally different the game then and now is totally different so true fans jus appreciate the game more it be main stream media and past players who trying to stay relevant make those narratives for a pay day and attention. We appreciate all eras we jus get defensive when you talk about a guy who played with passion with his heart getting beat up night in and night out who ur goat says it's his GOAT and says he is chasing who also was the blue print for all these players drag his name with false narratives and a guy like Kobe Bryant RIP who also played jus as hard give that man his flowers stop saying he not to 5 and stop judging him by analytics and judge him with ur eyes because the eyes don't lie
I don’t have LeBron in my top 10 his game is overrated. I have Kobe third I have bird for and I have magic fifth.
MJ the one
Kobe my favorite player though
You nailed it LEBRON had all types of all stars to join his teams to win championships and they give LEBRON all types of credit but kevin Durant gets none and Jordan never asked anyone to join him even the owner of the bulls said mj never came to him asking for help and pippen wasn't an all star when he joined the team and Rodman wasn't some scoring champion all star man he was in his 30's who was great on defense
@@juliusmonty3242 facts
And the fact that Jordan had to work from the ground up working with a drugged up team LEBRON never had to worry about that . Jordan had to go th beatings and hardship and once he got past that and got better teammates and got past the Pistons and the Lakers it was over 6-0 with only One all star and pippen had to work hard to get to that point there wasn't and hand picking players to help MJ to get over the hump.
I still don’t know when Lebron passed Magic on any all time list. Magic 906 career games vs lebron at 906 games:
Points - 24,914(LBJ) 17,707 (Magic)
Assist- 10,141 (Magic) 6,301 (LBJ)
Rebounds- 6,559 (Magic) 6,502 (LBJ)
Steals- 1,724 (Magic) 1,553 (LBJ)
Blks- 724(LBJ) 374(Magic)
Trp-Dbl: 138(Magic) 39(Lebron)
Finals: Magic 9(5chips) Lebron 6(2chips)
Reg season MVPs: LBJ (4) Magic (3)
Finals MVP: Magic (3) LBJ (2)
50 wins Season
Magic 12, LBJ 8
60 wins season
Magic 6, LBJ 3
Good point
Also, Elvin Hayes is the third-greatest PF ever, not Karl Malone, and KG belongs above both.
No way is Dirk that high, and Shaq belongs above LeBron.
There's not difference the LeMedia has hijacked the narrative of LeBrons legacy
I understand why Magic is 1 Pg over Isiah because of Pro Accomplishments Rings, MVPs, and size(Pause) But don't forget on the head up like finals. Zeke ate Magics lunch twice. Once on a busted ankle. Magic won one of those on some suspect calls, but hey it is what it is. I'd take Zeke over Magic on Chicago loyalty.
Tim Legler and most of the World know MJ’s the 🐐
of course
@@Mandownsports 💯👍🏽
Its your opinion but Rodman should be on that chart. He the best defender ever, and the best rebounder ever, he the only player who could really defend all 5 positions, And wilt should be 6
Your right you did forget west and Baylor that said where will you rank them?
West and Baylor would be around tier 5
Everybody that didn't have LeBron in their top five was fired from ESPN look it up
ESPN forced or only hired people that had LeBron either ranked number 1 or number 2
Tim legler at one time had Kobe number 2 now he's moved Kobe to number 9 how did Kobe fall from number 2 to number 9 ESPN bullied him 😮🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Like magic said no chip I ain’t hearing shit. 😂😂😂😂
Also, I think Stephen Curry is always ranked too high in these conversations, I believe they go for just looking at the resume because I believe there’s many point guards that could easily be ranked over him. Also, isn’t it funny how people choose the different narratives of who carried who, according to their alliance to the player that they like … again great show keep putting our great contact, much appreciated!
Steph curry is top 10 because of his impact on the game, only 6”3 player in history to create a dynasty and dominate the Game. And it’s noone historically that has ever played like Steph Goat efficiency Most 20 point quarters in Nba History
KD did NOT go to the Warriors and win two rings for Steph.... he came from the Thunder, who hadn't won any rings and went to the Warriors to get two rings through Steph, Klay & Draymond.....
@@tjackson2162 nah, he led the Warriors to 2 rings. The Warriors have NEVER repeated when led by Steph but they easily repeated when led by KD and would've easily 3peated if he didn't get hurt 🤷
Legler is on the payroll
That's no surprise he's telling the truth
MJ is the Real GOAT 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
I dont know for someone that is supposed to be a pass first scorer, when compared to a true passer he falls very short. Other than points and blocks Magic got him on Assist, Rebounds, steals, triple doubles team success… so yeah, I don’t know when he passed Magic. Just because he’s more athletic doesn’t make him greater than Magic.
Lebron James is not a pass first player. He just occupies the point guard position which by nature gets more assist
the deer @10 🤣
No one like steph curry historically? How would reggie miller or ray allen have been if they were allowed to shoot 3s at will
I don't see the great Jerry west on the tier list.
Them guys that work at espn ain’t trying to lose their jobs so yeah LBJ #2 because they have to say that for ratings and controversy but offsets legs probably don’t have him in his top 10 just like a lot players former and current don’t he couldn’t even explain why he got him at 2
Durant went GS where Steph was winning championships with or without Durant , it hasn’t happened for Durant without Steph , together is powerful force , apart Steph still a killer Durant need more …… now I know Mandown a Durant fan but it’s Steph team , Durant came in to get chips with a winning team
Oh n speaking of which for a NBA MEGA SUPERSTAR STEPHEN CURRY DEFINITELY doesn't get a 3rd of the whistles he should
What is LeBron stayed in Cleveland his whole career got 2 or 3 rings where would you rank him?
Great list you gotta put Jerry west in there right around curry
Yeah I agree. I made a mistake leaving him out
Yes, most everybody, including on that panel, knows where leBron ranks. Your panel is just different, and that's okay. We're all God's creatures, even the different ones.
Stockton mastered the game
That is all lebum has is longevity 😂😂i would put him at #7 not even top 3😂
KD never led that Warriors team…Steph did!
That's false
Why lebron get. A pass for stacking the deck that's doing what mainstream media do at least the other guys that stack the deck we never seen them cower down
ANY poll going to have Jordan #1 anybody after dnt matter they all after DUUUUHHHH
Ranking players is not objective. It’s fact based. There is ONE GOAL. Lebron and KD didn’t accomplish that goal until they left and joined allstars so neither should be top 10. And KD has never been better than Steph. KD just benefited from being on a team that Steph already built into a champion.
@@JamarLewis-se7kz Answer the question again, who can make criteria?
@@Mandownsports The goal is to WIN. That’s the criteria. Don’t know how you got lost with 1 sentence.
@@JamarLewis-se7kz winning is the criteria for what?
@@Mandownsports SMH…
Kawhi should be somewhere on this list.