Oil-How it Affects the Performance of Your Harley
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2024
- This is the 14th Video in a Multi-Part Series on WHY & HOW to Cool Down Your Twin Cam & M-8 Engine. How to get Cooler Oil Temps for Better Performance & Reliability out of Your Harley.
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➡️ Part #1 in this Series- • Is Your Harley Too Hot...
➡️ Part #2 in this Series- • Questionable Harley De...
➡️ Part #3 in this Series- • Is Harley Going To Hat...
➡️ Part #4 in this Series- • EPA Requirements- Cust...
➡️ Part #5 in this Series- • Optimum Harley Temps f...
➡️ Part #6 in this Series- • Why Harley OEM Temps N...
➡️ Part #7 in this Series- • 3 Key Variables to Har...
➡️ Part #8 in this Series- • 1st Steps-HOW 2 Cool D...
➡️ Part #9 in this Series- • How To Get MORE AIR FL...
➡️ Part #10 in this Series- • COOL DOWN Your Harley ...
➡️ Part #11 in this Series- • HD Exhaust-It can Heat...
➡️ Part #12 in this Series- • COOL DOWN Your Harley ...
➡️ Part #13 in this Series- • No More Oily Mess When...
💥 Link to Oil Filter Relocation Kits- www.dkcustomproducts.com/oil-f...
💥 Link To Oil Coolers- www.dkcustomproducts.com/secon...
💥 Link to Video of Oil Temp Testing- • Harley M8 - Heat Testi...
➡️ Link to Written Report on Why & How to Cool Down Your Twin Cam and M8 Engine- www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-h...
In this series we go in depth on WHY you should want to cool down your Harley, WHY do they run SO Hot, WHY does Harley Make them this way, and WHAT can be done to cool them down.
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Great info man! Thanks so much for taking all the time. Keep up the good work.
Glad you find the content useful! We appreciate it, man!
I have a fan forced oil cooler on the way in the mail; keen to install it and hopefully see a decent drop in oil temperature before summer hits down here 🤙🏻
And I hardly noticed the chickens in the background!
Hope you get her cooled down before summer down your way! Yeah, I forgot all about the rooster til near the end of the video. lol
Great series
Thank you for the comment, glad you are finding the videos interesting/useful. 👍😎👍
Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed!
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for commenting! MB
Two oil coolers - double your pleasure, double your fun!
Yep, I've had to run two oil coolers on a couple of bikes....really surprised me the first time...that was on the 2005 Road King. No matter what I tried I could not get my temps down until adding the second oil cooler (this was at the advice of Jamie, a performance engine builder). I also had to run a second oil cooler on the 2011 Tri Glide to get the temps down to 220-230.
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Thank you for the input.
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I love the rooster! Great series Kevin, I look forward to each episode. Question how are you measuring the oil temp?
😂 Yeah, he goes off all day long. Glad you're enjoying the series. We use the HD analog gauge, the HD Digital gauge and a Jess dial gauge. All temps are taken at the tank. This is NOT the location where the oil is the hottest. But it is where it is easiest to get a reliable read on it. That is why we have a max target of 230 degrees...that gives some cushion before the 260-270 mark, which is when the additive package (viscosity modifiers) start deteriorating.
Spend 30k on a Harley and it’s up to me to add oil coolers , oil filter relocation kit, fans ? Just so the engine doesn’t grenade? 120 years selling motorcycles and this is the best they can do? One guy designing parts when the company has hundreds deigning and testing? Have you ever considered contacting Harley and letting them know their bikes run hot? Thirty grand and I can’t ride it during riding season.
Great info. I have liquid cooled M8. One thing I found is the lower radiators traps the heat and heats up my feet and legs. What point you made on oil temperature made up my mind on going oil cooled on my next Harley 🍺👍
Glad you like the video! Here is a list of videos on how and why to cool down your TC/M8 that you may find interesting - th-cam.com/play/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C.html
My 2016 FXDLS runs hot as hell, especially right now in Texas during the summer. Oil temp 230-250 degreees is pretty much normal for me. I wish it wasn't
Yeah, that's bumping up against the top of where you want to be. If you've done everything else to it, have you considered running two oil coolers?
First, thank you for taking the time to do these videos and answer qustions. I have a 2019 Road King standard. I added the Jims force flow fan and a couple of months ago I was riding back from Arizona in about mid 95 degrees. After pulling a long up hill run, The hottest i saw oil temp at the oil tank dip stick was 243 degrees. I measured the head temps at the spark plugs at 298 front and 332 rear with a heat scan gun after about 1.5 hours. The rest of the run home oil temp was 234 degrees & 285 FC & 318RC at spark plugs. This particular ride i was by myself with about 20 lbs of luggage. My wife does go with me at times and we will also pack up about 60lbs of cloths and other items for Sturgis or other longer runs. Would a jagg 6 row oil cooler be a good addition? Also installing the automatic bypass or manual bypass valve. Thank you I advance & and appreciate your suggestions and or advice.
Thank you for the comment and for the kind words. 👍
Yes, a Jagg 6 row will add to the cooling capacity, and a 6 row with an oil filter relo will give you even better cooling. Links to both below.
The heat scan gun is not an accurate way to get engine temp. (see video below on that subject)
There is a heat sensor in the front of the rear cylinder that is used by the ECM, that is the only accurate way to get an engine temp reading. The Power Vision will display that for you as a gauge labeled "ET".
Video link- th-cam.com/video/afgon9Qc1B8/w-d-xo.html
Oil cooler links-
www.dkcustomproducts.com/auxiliary-oil-cooler-for-all-harley-twin-cam-w-o-lowers-dk-sec-oc-tc.htm
www.dkcustomproducts.com/oil-filter-relocation-oil-cooler-combo-pkg-harley-touring-dk-ofr-dcoc-2wh.htm
I wanted to put a jagg 10 row in the factory location ( down low ) but because my factory oil cooler was so beat up from stones. Jagg doesn’t offer a cover so I bought a new factory oil cooler & fabbed a mesh screen in the cover to protect it. I wish there was a cover for the jagg
Interesting. I've traveled a lot of gravel roads, including all the way up to Alaska, via the Yukon, never had a cover, never had a beat up oil cooler. OH, I realize why, I have an extended fender skirt on the front fender. Non touring models I use a downtube mounted oil cooler.
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I do ride on a lot of dirt roads but probably the majority of the damage probably comes from Pennsylvania’s famous oil & chips roads. 😡
Please do you have a link for the extended fender skirt?
@@scrumthebum2451 Understood. There are a huge variety of them...J&P is a good place to look. Search for mud flaps. The one I have was made by a friend out of stainless steel, then I affixed some emblems to it. You can see it at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/image/2019_Tri_Glide/Tour-Pak/Fender%20Skirt.JPG
Hi , I watch you for some time :) , I got a 2015 flhtkse with water cooler , and Im wandering if I can relocate the pump into left side , where the radiator and fan is ?! I dont know the rest like the termostat where to be . I would like to have a oil cooler , but also I would like to bypass the new oil cooler if is needed in my road trip.
Hi @Isovidiu,
Glad to hear you are liking the videos.
We have never seen the water pump relocated, there may be a way for it to be made to fit, but it will take quite a bit of plumbing work, and also some wiring work.
It is better, in our opinion, to leave it where it is and to put an oil cooler behind the left side lower fairing vent. It you ever don't want air flowing across your oil cooler, simply close the vent.
That is what we do on all of our Twin Cooled bikes.
Here is a link to the oil cooler kit that bolts right on to your bike.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/oil-filter-relocation-oil-cooler-combo-pkg-harley-touring-dk-ofr-dcoc-2wh.htm
Here is a video showing the installation process. This set up works extremely well at keeping oil in a good temp range.
th-cam.com/video/GiYjkpZaNYg/w-d-xo.html
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Wonder if you can mount it differently so can keep your lowers like dirty bird yet run this or two of them one on each side. I have a 107 road glide run a in the 300 degree but now I’ve ordered a 131 crate engine so if this is same then I guess I’ll have to try a lot of other things to get it down to 200-240 or less
No idea what Dirty Bird Lowers look like/compatibility, but we have an oil cooler that works with the Harley lowers, it can be seen at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/oil-filter-relocation-oil-cooler-combo-pkg-harley-touring-dk-ofr-dcoc-2wh.htm
2021 FLHTK twin cooled, watching your videos great info. Choosing between 3 options which is the best bet mighty mites, jims fan, oil cooler and filter relo. kit? Honestly I don't like the look of the relocated filter and I drag my boards. What is the best option? Thanks
It depends on what kind of riding you do, in what ambient temps, and what your current engine temp is and oil temp.
If you're oil temp is getting well past 230F, like up into the 250's or higher, then an oil cooler is definitely important.
Don't worry about dragging the floorboards and getting anywhere close to the relocated oil filter. It will drag the boards, the board brackets and the slip-ons and still not touch the relocated oil filter. It is tucked up and in quite a bit. Unless pointed out, very few people will even see it.
If your engine temp is getting up to over 300F, that definitely should come down. At 270F of engine temp HD ECM is pulling timing in an attempt to cool it down and prevent accelerated wear. Check out this video- th-cam.com/video/5PxJ8PvcVtc/w-d-xo.html
What is the impact on 114ci OEM oil pump's oil pressure when adding additional fluid demand for hoses, oil cooler and oil filter relocation kit?
There is no measurable difference when using a gauge that measures in 1 lb. increments. I say that because we have tested and several of our Customers have tested, and seen no variation in pressure. If there is a difference, it is less than 1 lb. The two biggest "logjams" in the OEM Harley set up are some of the smaller oil passages in the engine and the paper oil filter.
All the channels in the oil cooler, oil filter relo, and hoses are much larger than some of the smaller OEM points.
Besides providing Fast, Accurate Shipping, along with Superior Customer Service...At DK Custom Products we use Jagg Oil Coolers on our own Bikes, and are happy to make them available to our Customers at extremely good pricing.
Check them out here- www.dkcustomproducts.com/oil-coolers-c134.htm
*_Why Do We Use & Recommend Jagg Oil Coolers?_*
HyperFlow Technology is the engineered balance between performance and flow. It should first be described as a "systems" way of thinking.
Air flow, fins, oil flow, turbulators, brazing technology, metal finish, oil filter adapter design, thermostatic actuator, etc., are each components maximized to contribute to the overall system.
It is only when each individual component is considered in relation to its contribution to the whole that a true systems approach can be claimed.
I have a quick question for you. I have a 2013 electric like classic I've already purchased your axillary oil cooler, it has a factory oil cooler as well. I would like to run the oil filter relocation that mounts up front on the down tube, can I do that with the auxiliary oil cooler or do I need to relocate the filter back farther under the floor board?
Thanks for putting out this great information, it has been very helpful to me.
You have a few choices. use the oil filter relo that goes under the rear passenger peg/floorboard. OR You can put both the cooler and the oil filter relo on the left downtube. It is very tight, but we have seen some Customers do that. OR You can do what I did on my Softail...I put the oil filter relo on the left downtube and the oil cooler on the right downtube. You can see a photo of it at these links- www.dkcustomproducts.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/n/cnc_oil_filter_relo_with_cooler_softail_4.jpg
www.dkcustomproducts.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/n/cnc_oil_filter_relo_with_cooler_softail_6.jpg
Thank you. I will be ordering my oil reli this week.
@Andrew S Cool, we appreciate your business, and believe you will be well pleased with it.
Do you have any research on adding a 2 quart oil tank to bump up capacity and its effect on oil temperature and change intervals? Thnx
Other than what we shared in the video about oversized oil tanks, we do not have any other research/information.
Is there a long stem thermometer available to check the oil temp?
Yes, Harley sells oil temp dipsticks. We prefer the analog temp dipsticks to the digital, they are more reliable. For the models that HD does not sell analog temp dipsticks, we use them from JESCustoms.
How about Ultracoolers?
We have tried various Ultracoolers over the years...They are much better now than they used to be, but still not quite as good at lowering temps as the similar Jagg models.
I changed out the H-D one to the H-D fan assisted one... I have the chin spoiler on my bike and really wanted to have the jag cooler on some how.
is there any ideas on how? wondering about the oil relocation as well? Or would I have to take the chin spoiler off?
What year and model bike do you have?
@@DKCustomProducts are there any that fit a 2021 iron 883 that mounts within the horn location? I can move the horn to make it work but I was just wondering since I live in hot sunny south Florida. With Miami stop and go traffic, I’m doing a performance application o minus bike and it will be here soon passed 120 hp
@@cheyenneobregon184 You can place a 7 row or 10 row oil cooler on your downtube. You can see them at these links-
www.dkcustomproducts.com/slimline-oil-cooler-system-for-harley-davidson-motorcycles-dk-j-750-1200.htm
www.dkcustomproducts.com/wideline-oil-cooler-system-for-harley-davidson-motorcycles-dk-j-750-2000.htm
You can even get a fan assisted one, as seen at this link-
www.dkcustomproducts.com/fan-assisted-wideline-oil-cooler-system-for-harley-motorcycles-dk-j-fp2600.htm
Dose the addition of an oil cooler require more oil in the oil tank?
Thanks.
('21 Sporstser)
A couple of ounces is all the extra that is used with an addition of on oil cooler.
You may find this video useful/interesting- th-cam.com/video/anShki_WeL0/w-d-xo.html
Can adding a second oil cooler and fan in line and conjunction with the factory oil cooler and fan be a good way to decrease heat?
Yes, running an auxiliary oil cooler is what Many folks do to keep the heat down. I ran my first one that way back in 2005, and did what you mentioned...one of them with a fan.
I learned that from several guys that were building performance Twin Cam's and that was the only way they were able to keep the heat down where it should be.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/auxiliary-oil-cooler-for-all-harley-twin-cam-w-o-lowers-dk-sec-oc-tc.htm
@@DKCustomProducts I have an oil cooler and was thinking like adding another to the side between the lower fairing one of those UCOOL type ones with a fan or dual fans
My Evo oil temp is low. Even an a hot day it doesn’t get above 150. It’s the approximately the same measured with two dipsticks and my wifes meat thermometer even in 80+ degree temperatures, running 75 on the interstate or cruising below 45 on twisty hilly backroads. Oil is circulating, it’s not running lean and shows no Sign of the timing being off. Can you offer any insight as to what my be causing this
That's a great problem to have...when compared with all the TC's and M8's running so hot.
Ideally you want to see oil temps in the 190-200f range.
Measuring the oil temp at the tank, especially if you have an oil cooler, means that the oil is probably up closer to 200F in the engine.
If you have an oil cooler, try making a "jacket" for it, to stop air flowing thru it. If the temps get up to 180-190 at the tank, then remove the cover from the oil cooler.
I'd like to see something like a turbo intercooler up front but not too big, polished aluminum not painted. Something wide enough to have two heavy duty fans behind it that are removable as a separate unit.. if the fans get old and wobbly you just pull out four bolts or screws and remove it without disturbing the heat exchanger and the oil lines.
Somebody give Elon Musk a call... I'm going to check out Trask and see if they got something going on to that end.. there's got to be something out there that holds about 2 quarts of oil that can shed heat outside the motor to give that oil some relief... something race Duty..
Great video thank you 👍👍
For what bike, and where exactly would you like to see this?
@@DKCustomProducts I would like to see this as a replacement part for the oil cooler that comes on my 22 Street Glide Special for one... and perhaps an aftermarket bolt on some kind of a universal mounting system for older bikes.. come on DK you guys want to be millionaires
I'm thinking down the road after my upgrades . If the stock Harley unit isn't covering the heat problem.. there's definitely a need after thousands of dollars of upgrades to the motor.. the technology exists someone just needs to put together a sweet package
@@d.sandell2555 A few thoughts-
1. Oil heat is the symptom of other heat. Oil is not the source of the heat.
2. The metal is where the heat comes from.
3. Better to cool the metal than the oil...then the oil does not get as hot.
4. Cooling the oil will help overall engine heat, but not enough to get it in the safe range.
5. So cooling the oil is one part of an overall strategy to get engine heat down.
Here is a really useful report on what parts of the engine should be at what temps, and what can be done to get there.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/sleeper-performance-mods.htm
And, I take you have seen our secondary oil cooler that will work in conjunction with the OEM oil cooler?
www.dkcustomproducts.com/auxiliary-oil-cooler-for-all-harley-twin-cam-w-o-lowers-dk-sec-oc-tc.htm
and here is a set up that works even better at cooling the oil
www.dkcustomproducts.com/oil-filter-relocation-oil-cooler-combo-pkg-harley-touring-dk-ofr-dcoc-2wh.htm
I hear you I see oil in addition to lubrication like antifreeze it absorbs heat and it can shed Heat given that oil loses its properties with high heat and I see most oil coolers as undersized and inefficient to the extent of not doing enough I see room for Innovation there... short of running an air ram system like a sport bike or riding in tornadoes only I don't see miniscule air flow from fans doing enough.. that was my thought on the matter.. I appreciate all your help with the links.. I assume you have a Facebook page I got out of Facebook a long time ago because of their b******* but if I come up with something I'll give you some pictures to your page thanks again!!!
Is the jagg oil coolers compatible with your relocated permanent oil filter assembly?
Yes, it is, and we have them available in a package for a little extra savings. Two wheel version package is here- www.dkcustomproducts.com/oil-filter-relocation-oil-cooler-combo-pkg-harley-touring-dk-ofr-dcoc-2wh.htm
Trike version package is here- www.dkcustomproducts.com/oil-filter-relocation-oil-cooler-combo-pkg-for-harleytrikes-dk-ofr-dcoc-tri.htm
Sweet and for an 80 inch high horsepower build do you recommend the 6 row or 10 row cooler
@@grimeyhonkyracing3938 It all depends on what oil temps you are seeing. You want to have a max oil temp of 230F on a hot day on a hard run. So if your oil is getting around 250 in that situation, a 6 row will do the job. But if you are getting up around 270 or higher, then a 10 row would be in order.
Also, if you are doing a lot of slower riding, and/or stop and go and the oil temp is getting up above 250, then I would go with the 10 row.
@@DKCustomProducts Alright guys i just placed an order on your website for a ton of goodies i need. I'll go with the 6 row with the cleanable filter and relocate. See how that works for now, plus coil/ ignition relocate and rocker lockers and some tape. I'll check in with you once i get my kit from hammer to see what can be done as far as external breather on the HPI cleaner. Yeeeah buddy! 🤑
@@grimeyhonkyracing3938 We appreciate your business. I believe you will be well pleased with those mods. Always feel free to email or call with any questions.
2 oils coolers, what about the oil pressure drop?
Nope, not with a good cooler like seen here- www.dkcustomproducts.com/oil-coolers-c134.htm
Can't say for others.
Edit: my bad, you literally say Mil 8 and twin cam in the begining🤦♂️
Did I miss it or was the Evo not covered in this video. I have an Evo and was told that these motors are worse with heat because of the lack of piston squirters. Any recommendations for oil coolers for Evos?
Yes, we did not cover Evo's in the video.
Most can definitely benefit from oil coolers. Link to Evo oil coolers below.
If you oil is seeing temps of over 230 F, they should have a cooler.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/touring-c156-118.htm
@@DKCustomProducts thats good to know!! Thank you!
@@bigpowerhouse11 Thanks!
Will it fit on Sportsters?
Yes. All the oil coolers at the following link are designed to work on a Sportster. www.dkcustomproducts.com/sportster-c155.htm
This oil filter relocation at the following link is not needed for the oil cooler on a Sporty, but if you want one, it will fit on a Sportster. www.dkcustomproducts.com/cnc-oil-filter-relocation-kit-sportster-dyna-softail-touring-dk-cnc-ofr-uni.htm
@@DKCustomProducts And that answers my question. I will have to work up a build one piece at a time starting with the Outlaw Filter. Cooler means longer life and better performance. More oil capacity in the oil cooler means cooler. You have too much as far as accessories. My wallet is going to hurt.
@@exexpat11 Step at a time is how we do it also. That way you know which mod is providing what benefit, vs. doing a bunch at one time. Appreciate your business, I believe you will like the benefits of the mods. 👍
You guys at dk customs check out oil bud oil coolers
I’d like to know what you think
We have.
I purchased one for my own bike a while back. Went to install it and did not like that I had to modify the frame to get it installed.
I ground down part of the frame & installed it anyway. The cooling of the oil was much less than an oil cooler out in the wind, even though it had a much larger surface area.
We thought this was unique to the bagger I was testing. So we purchased another Oil Bud for a different bike. We installed it per the instructions, did our heat tests. Same thing. Only cooled about 60% as well as the Jagg oil cooler that is right out in the wind.
Standing still in stop n go traffic, we did not see a difference in oil temps due to the larger surface area.
Thank you for your honest encounter! I was on the fence. Always nice to know first hand how things work. I really appreciate all you guys do!
@@James-fk2sb Yeah, I was hoping they would work better. I like the hidden look.
I like video.. but have a question.. Is Harley Davidson, Ignorant, negligent or what? They have been producing V-Twins from the beginning of time. One would think, they could cool their machines right out of the box.
Or what is the answer.
They are trying to keep the nostalgic look and sound, while meeting stricter and stricter guidelines from, not just the EPA, but also regulatory agencies in other countries.
Here is a video that explains a little bit about their predicament.
th-cam.com/video/rWOdQOtDv6A/w-d-xo.html
And here is a video where they have produced a bike that does not run hot...we will see if it sells or now-
th-cam.com/video/mzzc-ydotOQ/w-d-xo.html
Other video of your about oil.i read about 92 heritage softball run million miles,use Harley oil.never rebuild engine.
Not sure what you are referring to. I've never heard of an evo going 1 million miles without a rebuild, regardless of what oil was used.
@@DKCustomProducts I said it's Harley oil.i read hog magazine
@@DKCustomProducts I tell truth.harley shop has lack k owledge how much powerful hRley is.mechanic sometime dishonest no integrity,truthful,lack of moral.
@@craigbadder321 Appreciate you watching the videos.
@@DKCustomProducts thanks