The SteelSeries Apex Pro Mini Wireless Gaming Keyboard
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Better than Logitech's first 60% keyboard
But worse than wooting
@@mohammadbaqer8305obv it worse than keyboards like wooting60HE, 80HE and keychron Q1 HE
@@mohammadbaqer8305 No, I don't think so, because there is no big difference between steel series and wooting, both have rapid trigger and Actuation point.
@@hosse1ntj822 they both called rapid trigger
But The way they work is different
Steelseries did a good job but still there is a hole between it and wooting level
Watch optimum video about steelseries and u will get it
@@hosse1ntj822yapping
I love steelseries as a brand, they make some amazing headsets, mousepads and keyboards from my experience but idk about this one, i understand the switches are something special but i dont think it justify the price for a 60% keyboard. I much rather pay less for more and go with the Apex TKL , Apex 7 or Apex 5
The Wooting h60e is better
It would actually be better to make your own custom keyboard because not only would it be cheaper or the same price but it would be ✨ Fun ✨
Js get a apex 3 TKL they ain’t even that much
Or don't get the wireless version
Got this for 132 after tax. Not bad at all, the wooting60he won’t ship until march so no point
i have it for a few months, really fast and has cool rgb add ons
Where’s the link In comments
It’s by the title
Dear consumers beware of purchasing Steelseries 2022 wireless keyboards and if you take a few moments to read this article, you will understand the theory that leads you to buy them and why you should avoid that at all costs so you don't find yourself in the same situation like me. Also, there is a message for Steelseries to take some notes for future untested releases launched in a hurry.
I recently purchased a keyboard from Steelseries, the Apex Pro Mini Wireless but I had to return it because I couldn't accept the software errors it came with, especially since the list price is much higher than other commercial keyboards on the market.
It's a shame because it's a well-balanced keyboard from a mechanical point of view, of the materials used, and it's a pleasure to use it for typing.
Unfortunately, I didn't get to test it on the entertainment side because of certain errors and I still regret that I couldn't reach a compromise to avoid the return.
I would like for them to solve the following issues from the software, which represent the reasons why I made the return:
The battery, according to the software, lasts less than the specified time. The transition from 100% to 85% is done quickly, in less than an hour with the brightness kept at maximum, on the wireless function. It is not a factory defect or a software issue because I got a confirmation from 2 other people that tried this keyboard and stated that the battery fully depleted under 10h of usage. It's not designed to be used at maximum brightness!
Please Steelseries, do specify the battery conditions of usage, as this is very misleading!
You cannot completely disable the "Escape" key light manually or through software while charging in wired mode so that it no longer flashes with a different color than the rest, green. Also, once it is fully charged, 100%, the key stays lit in the respective color (Green Lantern Mode). This is specified in the user manual, but it should be a choice for the consumer and should permit the option to disable it in the software.
Features for the battery indicator that make more sense for them to implement:
A 3 button press feature with the escape key included to indicate the battery level from F1 to F10 in 10% gradients without having to check the software. If they still want to keep the function of the blinking green color it should be activated on press, to indicate that it's charging;
Solid green light while charging, which would have reverted to the selected color once the cycle was complete;
Smooth gradient transitions rather than aggressive light green pings per every second;
Remove entirely the feature as it's not needed. You can observe the battery health within the GG software.
Below I have attached 2 official photos from Rtings.com with the keyboard at maximum and minimum brightness. It is a distracting feature and basically you cannot use it wired due to the intensity of the key that stays lit at maximum brightness (charged) or wireless due to the aggressively flashes at every second (charging). I don't think this feature will be removed since it's designed that way and nothing was done since it was released, a few months ago. Since the battery doesn't last that long (a lot less than 30h with max brightness) you will find yourself in need to often plug the cable. The battery charging indicator is really a troublesome feature.
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Switching from idle to pairing on Bluetooth is not fast after entering the battery conservation mode, when the functions are closed.
The color profiles for the lights do not remain set, if the connection with the dedicated software is lost. As long as the switch is made to another device where the software is not installed or supported, it will not allow them to be kept.
To set the colors, the connection to the software is always necessary because only 5 light effects can be adjusted from the keyboard functions and it is not possible to select, for example, the color Orange or White (also recommended not to strain your eyes), reference colors associated with the Steelseries brand. Also, the effects cannot be set directly from the keyboard, present on previous models.
For devices that come with IOS, the wake up function is not compatible, without the need to connect the USB-C receiver, for stability.
Once one function on the key is replaced by another, from the software, the keyboard simply freezes and you have to switch it off and on.
Also, in the reviews made by the online promoters, for this model, these aspects were not discussed, mentioned, and i wish that the respective information was more transparent because, after all, we are the consumers. Everything they mentioned negatively was related to the high price, stating the obvious.
I would like Steelseries to do something about the user's choices in the software so that all settings can be saved on both Bluetooth / Wired / Wireless on a single profile and to be able to configure the effects and colors without depending entirely on the software.
In their defense, the company does make quality products, when they want to, though i don’t think they proceeded in the right way with the wireless variant, especially on the marketing side since they weren’t that transparent nor tried to fix some of the mentioned issues, since it was released.
What's important is the action Steelseries should take after this constructive feedback. Also, I wish they offered a better support since I tried to contact them about this problems and got evasive responses.
If you are unsure about this keyboard, undecided to buy it and wondering if some mentioned features, software issues have been fixed, that information can be checked here techblog.steelseries.com/
UPDATE 1:
I bought another unit to test it more rigorously and after it was completely discharged it didn't want to charge overnight above 60%, it froze at that threshold! To fix this issue, I had to unplug and plug the wire! I want to mention that I had several keyboards from other manufacturers and so far I have not got my hands on any that had this many problems at once!
I encourage you to stay far away from the wireless version! I do not recommend it at all since you will most likely return it. Also, if you finally decide to give it a go, don't think about trying your luck with another unit since they all have these problems.
I'm "glad" that instead of focusing on fixing these issues for products already released in the market and taking into account what other consumers are saying, they did the exact opposite and rushed with the release of the "TKL Apex PRO wireless" version... If it will have the same problems, it will simply cause you to lose all trust and hope in the company.
Having a minimal design, being compact and comfortable to type on doesn't worth all the other headaches it comes with!
Battery issues and Green flashes that can provoke acute dizziness are unacceptable!
UPDATE 2:
It took 7 hours to charge from 60% to 80%, and after i plug out the cable, the battery immediately dropped from 80% to 70% and apart from that i experienced another issue with 2 keys ("enter" + " \ " keys) that weren't responsive in terms of RGB colors. Those buttons were also deactivated from the GG software and they were grayed out, undetectable, impossible to select. Switched on and off the keyboard multiple times, switching between connectivity features, until they became responsive and I could again select them but that also reset the color selected for the other key lights.
In theory, I got almost half a battery that will last 5 instead of 10 hours, GG = Good Game!
STEELSERIES THIS IS BEYOND RIDICULOUS! YOU ARE MESSING WITH YOUR CONSUMERS BIG TIME! FIX THE EXISTENT ISSUES BEFORE RELEASING OTHER PRODUCTS!
If you can't possibly fix them after 2 months do what's expected of you and arrange a mass recall.
UPDATE 3:
If you want to modify something from BIOS, the keyboard doesn't work at all wired or wireless with the receiver included.
It seems that every day I can find new issues with this keyboard.
UPDATE 4:
After almost a whole day in which I tried to charge the keyboard, with a lot of "unorthodox solutions" I managed to charge it completely to 100%. Yes, it takes a full day to charge it and less to drain the battery.
I also use it wired more than the Wireless / Bluetooth mode to avoid charging and to get rid of the green aggressive flashes, although that defeats the whole purpose of owning it. I do not mind that much the green steady light from the "escape" key when it's fully charged, but I'd rather not have it at all.
UPDATE 5:
For some reason after staying charged for quite some time, I have experienced a situation where the keyboard wasn't able to connect in Wireless mode with the receiver plugged into my PC or tablet. Connection reset after plugging in and out the receiver multiple times.
First row of the keyboard was blinking in white color without pairing.
It's really frustrating for me to identify so many issues while trying to use it in normal scenarios.
UPDATE 6:
GG Software is beyond terrible and full of bugs. It seems that after installing the latest update, GG 26.0 released on October 19th, the app crashes completely, can't fix it even if you try to follow the most obvious steps like ending the task process, running the app in administrator mode or restart the computer. I don't know if everyone gets the respective bug, but I'm sure I'm not the only one. The only solution is to reinstall the app. Also, if you happen to not have a registered account, you will most likely lose your saved data since the profiles don't save themselves on the keyboard.
Of course I "prayed" that they would fix the mentioned issues and the obvious "Steelseries solution" was to ignore them even though I posted them on several community channels and messaged the "support team".
IT HAS BEEN A MONTH SINCE I KEEP ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES TO THEM AND HAVEN'T FIXED EVEN 1 OF THEM, IT'S QUITE DISTURBING!
It seems like a lot of things are wrong and there is no willingness on their part to improve, but I can't say it was a shock because I expected it. A shock to me was that the update came with other bugs.
I admit the last thing I bought from them was 3 years ago and I was very happy as I didn't have to log into their software. This time, their products are quite dependent on the GG interface.
They rush to release untested products that lead to quality issues, consumer dissatisfaction, and have the worst support I've experienced from a company.
My attitude and thoughts towards the company changed 180 degrees.
The whole story seems to be inspired by cartoons, with a weird sense of humor :)
All that they could do in a month was to offer me a discount code, for my troubles, missing the general idea of my posts that is to raise the consumers awareness and in the same time is addressed for Steelseries to fix those problems, especially since I am not the only one that reported them.
Also, they perfectly are aware that I will never use it since it applies only for the merchandise sold on their site exclusively for their country. Before that I have sent them the documents for the purchase of the keyboard and they could clearly see the name of the product, serial code, and that the content is in another language.
It does not apply for any local stores and if by any chance I would be interested in buying directly from them, the shipment taxes will still be higher than the asking price since I am not in their country or in its proximity.
Some might perceive this as a form of mockery since they also promised that they will look into those issues.
Final note:
I had such high hopes for this keyboard that I expected something like this to hit the market from a company I used to admire so much.
IN THE FUTURE, I WILL DEFINITELY STAY AWAY ENTIRELY FROM THIS BRAND!
I still agree that the best keyboard from Steelseries, in all aspects, design, ergonomics, price, reliability, typing experience, sturdiness, cable thickness, non-software dependent, RGB brightness, a Jack of all trades, was the M750 Apex. I bought 2 of those keyboards just to have a backup in case something goes wrong. Surprisingly, I did not touch the second one and now wanted to buy a newer version, which at first glance offered everything I ever needed. Unfortunately, appearances were more than deceiving for their latest keyboard release.
I would also like to mention that there are some reviews where users or promoters complain about the sturdiness of this keyboard. It's really not built like a tank, but you'll never notice this if you use it under normal conditions and don't try to bend it. I'd like to think this was intentional, to reduce weight, with portability in mind. A relatively light keyboard that you can carry everywhere. For example the "Logitech MX keys" keyboard, if you try to bend it, it will break, but if you don't abuse it and use it under normal conditions, you will never have problems with it.
@@saybrainwash Did you manage to remove the green light that comes out when you charge it?
@@saybrainwash I'm having a lot of problems. The first thing that it does not let me update the software and I have set my keyboard actuation level to 0.2 and I do not have the feeling that it is going to 0.2
On the other hand, I had him charging and he put 80, I removed him from charging and in 10 seconds it literally drops to 60.
@@saybrainwash My FN meta keybinds like F1-F12 keys stopped working as well as my media keys. I have had to order a Streamdeck and have my function keys externally added onto that. Software still has not updated and its been almost 6 months due to many errors. The green flashing ESC button is very annoying while plugged in. No matter how long I plug in the Keyboard to charge via my computer it never fully charges, have to literally plug it into a wall USB-C to get the capability to unlock the wireless aspect. I have contacted support, and they told me to either save my Steelseries GG settings on their cloud and redownload the launcher, or to reset my USB drivers for the keyboard, yet none has worked. This keyboard is complete trash, and i'm considering the Wooting 60he as it has a faster actuation and build quality.
Tl:Dr
Which ones is better the pro or the nine
Just bought the Corsair K70 Mini Pro for 110€ and couldn't be happier. It shares all the same features but uses Cherry MX switches instead (replacable with any 3-pin switch)
Not the same, no rapid trigger and actuation point adjustment.
I'd go with the wooting 60he tbh.
It's not as fast
Does anyone know how to fix the apex pro mini? I tried to bind one of the macros, but now some keys just don’t work. Doesn’t have a Fn button
Umm no but I do know how u can’t set the accusation without the engine
Fn is the steelseries button
Isn’t wired better bc the connection is stronger ? Just like wireless connection to Ethernet right?
No
Used to be that way, but technology has really came so far that you won't notice a difference unless something is genuinely flawed
yes but no because yes it will but tech has got so good its a really small diff wear you wont see it and people get wired less because its more easier for them but i dont mind the wire and its usualy cheaper wired so i get wired but just matters the person
Is the wireless better than the normal Apex Pro Mini?
Can you also change the actuation point on the normal Apex Pro Mini?
Nope. Literally no difference between the wireless and the wired one. I bought them both, and if you end up plugging in the wireless one, there’ll be more latency than the normal apex pro mini. With the Steelseries GG software you can change the actuation point on the normal Apex Pro mini, and it can go just as high or just as low as the wireless. I recommend you save money and get the normal one. Hope this helped ❤
Just buy a wooting60he
@@aHxzardso if I have the wireless one should I just use the wireless mode for less latency?
@@b_heyerfireflame1801 the thing is, both modes have more latency than a normal apex pro mini, however wireless will always have more latency than wired. So I would still recommend plugging it in
@@aHxzard it feels like it and it's annoying. Appreciate it though. What actuation do you use?
And selfspaming feature after update 10/10
Ain’t no way I’m paying 300 bucks for a keyboard 😂
300$ for a 60%? Nah I’m better off getting the asus rog 75% keyboard 💀
@@IShowDeezNutsWasTaken nah i broke my spacebar in one day
It's only $130 on Best Buy right now
Morally, take advantage of the fact that there it is 300, here in Brazil this keyboard costs 2,000 reais, more than 60% of the population earns a month, recovers with a mouth full.
It’s worth it
do yk how to factory reset it
Hey dude when ever I turn on my pc my apex pro mini the windows button locks and it doesn’t work till I press the steel series button and windows is there a way to fix this issue so I don’t need to do it ever time
Hey mannn
Make sure to do hold down
Fn win
Hey I was wondering by any chance how do u switch the rgb from the keyboard without getting the software
You dont unfortunately
u cant, u have to use the website
There was a software update and now it goes down to .1milimeters and has rapid trigger
now its as fast as wooting
@@garbagepvpurrr547yes, only 3ms difference(wooting is 3ms faster)
Yeh but it fucks the keyboard and no one knows how to fix it
i had 2 and it fucked both of them, and steelseries reponse is "oh you must have dust in your 3 WEEK OLD keyboard" lmao yh right@@gavinandhisberries
@@gavinandhisberriesmy brother has it on and it’s perfectly fine? Is this all keyboard or just some? Just recently ordered mine
I have that it's Soo nice
It's soo bad tho
@@Spectrulight why
@@YingSanLau compared to other keyboards it soo bad
If you change the key caps does it change the keyboard performance?
No it dosent
No
If I plug it in with the dongl3 will it have the same or less delay ?
i dont have it but the delay would be obv more with a dongle than if u plugged it in wired.
I can hear the spirng on tkl is that normal??
Theres much latency problems using Steelseries Apex Pro tkl wireless compared to wired one? I want to buy the version wireless but im not sure once i want to use to play in competitive.
Buy the wooting
which one is better apex pro mini or apex pro tkl?
That just depends on your preference. Do you need a keyboard for work purposes? Then do a full size or TKL.
If it’s just for gaming, 60% is better imo. More room for mouse
What’s better the tkl version or the mini version for gaming
If you wanna be fast use the apex pro mini
@@Nxch_xyz they both are the same speed
@@HypeXtra They aren't
What mousepad do you have
This one is from Omnitype, it’s called Modo Light
@@thinkcomputers1 ?
@@Thymed ?
Now if they bring it in white and 67 percent with a knob im buyin
How much?
isn't that razer huntsman mini if i am not wrong
It's steelseries their logo is on the fn key in the bottom right
I would get the full size instead of the mini because 1 the full size had the oled screen I think and 2 the mini is expensive af like it’s 100 dollars more
Mini also had oiled screen, I don’t see the need to use it though lol
why can i not uptate the firmware on the kryboard
Is it rechargeable
get the wooting 60 he its better
Can you give us a budget keyboard, and mouse plz
Common peasants L
Im using it rn
Mine has an extra button next to L shift
How do you get that lighting on the keyboard
software
What about the razar huntsman mini
good for semi competitive gaming, but if you are fully competitive gaming, then its mid.
I have this keyboard
Why my esc touch is only showing green color and i can’t change it
cuz its prob has macros on it
i have the keyboard and its SO WORTH IT in my opinion
What acctuation is it
Is it for ps5
(To everyone) don’t get the wireless it gives you more lag and input delay on all your games!!
there should b an option to plug it in wired, like for example, to charge right? can you not use it if its plugged in to the pc
yeah, i always like wired more when it comes to gaming, i've never had a problem with a wired controller or keyboard
I have this Keyboard and its amazing
I’m planning on ordering one but Idk if I should get wired or wireless
Get wired, it will have less latency bc you have a wire for it, plus it’s cheaper@@Dead-vx1vt
dont get wireless my wireless stopped working and i had to contact support@@Dead-vx1vt
Hos to I press the f2 button on the keyboard??
the steelseries key on the bottom right acts as the fn key. hold that and then press a key to use its secondary fucntion. eg. hold fn and press 2 for F2
@@hovercrofthow i can reset the keyboard?
how to change light on it
U use the steelseries software which should automatically download on ur pc once u connect a steelseries device, at least it did for me
Love it
How do I change the light settings
I’m not sire
software
Tryna be wooting 60he
bro didnt even give a sound test
Get a WOOTING instead
Why is the guy in the video only typing with his pointers?
Why not use all of your fingers?
How to alt f5 on this key oard
alt + fn + 5
Ain’t no way you type like that 💀💀💀💀💀
I type like that and my job is on the computer half the day. I have 80wpm typing speed no problem. Not everyone learns how to type “correctly”
@@crubgolem4459 typing "correctly" comes naturally for anyone who types fast, most people dont learn how to type "correctly"
@@crubgolem4459bro you need to switch, I mean you could easily do 200wpm if your using all 10 fingers
@@llyooo9323whats ur avg then
@@llyooo9323i type like that and hit 150 wpm average
I already have it
Which i need but im broke
why is there 2 windows
i have the Apex 3
Wooting60he is way better for the price
why do all these gamin boards look like trash? It seems gaming companies don't have enough good designers for their keyboards.
its a keyboard... do you want it to have wings?
@@secretsythe Look at non-gaming mechanical keyboards, those for some reason perform better, look better and... without wings.
@@jackdanyal4329 late response yes but how does custom mechanical switches (normal ones) perform better than the omnipoint 2.0's?
@jackdanyal4329 I don't think a non mechanical keyboard can have 0.1mm actuation point and rapid trigger. The reason they look better is cause they spend all the money on the looks and it makes performance way worse but makes customers want to buy it while with the Apex Pro Mini the looks don't matter because they use all of it on performance because it's for gaming.
Wooting better
Bro where is 4 8 and 4 7 on that
Just get a wooting! Miles better than what Steelseries, Razor or Logitech are providing
im using the steelseries apex pro mini to type this nah like actually im using it
It's so bad tho
I don't have any gaming PC and I play Mario on 13 fps
Ur cooked 😂
ok
why would you go wireless at a keyboard
Convenient, looks good on your desk, htpc keyboard, living room gaming, etc
My wooting can do that better lol
Pov: razer launch the razer huntsman mini no wirless
Apex promini wireless gaming keybord
Razer done that years ago
300 on a keyboard is wild
i got it for 175$ and i'd say its worth 300$. and if u think thats ridiculous wait until u find out that ppl spend 1k$ on watches
1k for a watch is not alot bro@@iSuckAtGamesGG
Wooting is better
Wooting >
I don’t think anyone’s arguing against that
problem is it costs an arm and a leg and sounds like trash
Bro wtf it sounds so good
hoes does this compare to wooting for *ahem* osu...
Thay keyboard looks like Razer huntsman mini
I wish I had that but I four dollars on cash app
200 dollars, thats out of my budget
just get wooting
This is a very good keyboard but 1 problem is it cost 300 dollars. I aint got time for that expensive nonsence
lol everybody copying wooting now with this keyboard
Well I bought it already rip my bank accoount
Bluds typing with one finger 💀
not everybody learns to type with all fingers. ive been typing with 2 fingers ever since i was little. slowly and slowly im switching over to 3 fingers. why you gotta hate on a dude cause of how he types
@@asd21359 lol sounds like your problem
Steelseries in the name, plastic in the game
Lol fr
Whooting or this? Which faster
Wooting
@@xatalisno
@@ZAYaa2 it is bro watch optimum video
3 years ago I predicted this 😂
yap session
omen
just buy a wooting60he lol
out of stock and takes years to come
@@force7850 well worth the wait imo, definitely wouldn't recommend if there wasn't a backup keyboard on hand though
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kozak
bro mini keyboards suck where tf are the arrow keys
Jesus is King Amen❤❤❤✝️✝️✝️🙏🙏🙏
Don't get a 60% keyboard, they are trash.
65% or more.
bro when he finds out about preference
@@caesiumband there is no prefetence. He Said shit so it has to be shit
or just get 60% because still got access to all the keys.
@harcey
Keyboard is ugly & sounds like shit performance is amazing though, there you go guys