Powered by WHAT? 🤯 Umarex Komplete: The World's First N2 Powered Airgun
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- You've heard of CO2 and air-powered guns, but now get ready for nitrogen power! Join Tyler as he checks out the Umarex Komplete; a nitrogen-powered, budget-friendly, regulated PCP that is sure to please.
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At $11.50 per cylinder for 40 shots? Total deal breaker for me. This is a more powerful alternative to CO2, but no way is it cheaper than PCP if you use it alot.
I agree on it not being cheaper if you plan to use it a lot, but as a entry point into PCPs, I do think it's a great package right out of the box, and that is something we haven't seen for this price in the PCP world yet.
Where do you source the cylinders ?
@@BoggWeasel We will be selling them. I would also anticipate them being available through some store chains as well, just not sure where yet.
The Nitroair cartridge in the UMAREX USA is out of stock. Amazon doesn’t carry it.
I'm not sure $5.00 air tanks would help me. Much rather a double co2 version, especially with a regulator!
It looks really cool. The cost of buy-in for PCP guns has certainly prevented my participation. I will be watching this new technology with a keen interest. Good job, Umarex.
Good demonstration and good explaining it looks good to me
If I wanted a pcp for occasional hunting. This would be extremely hard to beat. The cost and effort would be minimal and the performance is great.
That would keep me from having the high investment of traditional PCPs. This is assuming Iam new to the pcp world, without the equipment to fill one.
Alot of people don't shoot over 500 round in a year. Looking at it from that perspective, it's a cheap way to go. Around $100 bucks (10 nitro cylinders) for a year of shooting.
I think it's a excellent idea.
THIS! Ultimately, it depends on how much you plan to shoot. But I think you've captured my perspective on this quite well.
It will also prevent you from entering the PCP world. Once you have a handpump / Compressor or airtank, you are good to go for any PCP (okay maybe not with just a handpump).
But I already got a compressor for just over 200 euro and I'm now looking for a nice PCP with a good power to price balance to start with. (Really love the Notos, but its a whopping 410 euro / dollars in the Netherlands, waiting for the Iconix at about 215 as an alternative). But I would like to ramp up to a Gauntlet or Hatsan Hercules Bully somewhere in the future.
@@crowtjenr1 "Prevent" you from entering the pcp world!
So if I purchased this rifle. Iam put on a registry and not allowed to ever purchase a pcp in the future.
WOW............
@@heithwatkins Not exactly what I said, and far from what I meant.
If you buy this N2 gun, your out 200 dollars and stuck with rather expensive N2 cartridges. Money you could have invested in a cheap PCP and pump to really get into the PCP world.
I see the Komplete as an intermediate between CO2 and PCP, but not really the introduction to PCP as you will still be stuck in the same big step to get your frst PCP and pump. In my option, the combination of needing both is a big investment to start using PCP's.
Once you have a means to pump a PCP, you are good to go.
@@crowtjenr1 You did use the exact word "Prevent"
I like the simplicity. Especially for field use. Swing by Scheels, grab a couple of canisters, and I'm off to the races. I see this as the difference of reloading and buying boxed ammo. This is the boxed ammo solution. It may be more expensive but you just need to throw a couple of cans into a backpack and one in your gun and you can go shooting for a day without any prep work.
I would like to see it backward compatible with CO2 so you have a cheap, short-range plinking/practice option.
Thank you. 👍
I like the gun and am on the ledge of getting into pcp but this gun really has my interest
Very cool idea, the quality, accuracy and power looks good. The ability to carry spare gas units is awesome. Good not to have to pump up or regas a cylinder. I think this will take off for bug out and field use.
The issue of course will be the availability and price of the nitro cylinders. Pity they are not refillable, a return/exchange program could have worked well.
I expect some entrepreneur is watching sales to see if an aftermarket refillable cylinder option can work.
Fantastic concept. If they can bring the MSRP down below 200, and reduce the cartridges by 50%, I think a lot of people will get into it. It's truly innovative.
Well I used to operate an air station field about 300 a week anywhere from 2800 PSI up to 4000 Baytown scuba equipment that was lost to gone for years in the ocean o-rings have not leaked and I'm thinking that this gun may be built a lot right with that kind of working pressure a lot like scuba equipment so it may may hold this air pressure for quite a while that's what I'm thinking
Well I don't have a problem with the spending and say $12 for a cylinder or something like that cuz I've been every day 11 to 12:00 for a hamburger fries and a Coke I just got to skip a couple of meals and there's no problem
Like I said earlier I spend about 12.00 every day at lunch time for a large hamburger french fries and a coke all I got to do is give a couple of meals a week and I can pay for my cartridges
One way to look at it and likely healthier too. 👍
Interesting, if I was thinking of trying a pcp and didn't want to pump it or buy a compressor, it could be the answer. However, is there any chance that an adapter bottle could be made to allow those with a pcp air pump / compressor to switch to compressed air? I have the compressor already, so this is not really something I would buy unless it could be adapted to air.
So we have guns that run on CO2 bottles. And now N2 bottles. When they make a N2O gun, I will be the first in line.
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Umarex is known for their "less than lethal" offerings and I'm assuming this would sort of fall in that category for people that want something powerful enough for home invasion with multiple perpetrator scenario, although a quick pierce button would have been more preferrable. If those Nitro cannister's are easily accessible to purchase at your local retail stores, I think this would be a hit. I would definitley want to get one, but I'm not sure how long those Nitro Cannisters will be manufactered if this product flops and owners will be left with a useless paper weight, so for now a break barrel like the Gamo Swarm Whisper seems great for a "ready to go" substitute for your less than lethal home invasion needs in the meantime
I wouldn't use this as a "self defense weapon" but as a small game or pest hunt this has my full attention.
PS: If could get refillable ones, I would gas a number of them up at home with straight air (which is 78% Nitrogen in any case), and have them at the range or in my bag out in the field.
I imagine one could figure out a tether for bench work as well.
For people who don't want the hassle or cost of pumps/scuba, an inexpensive and steady supply of the cylinders will be key.
Thanks Tyler and Umarex. Great N2 rifle. it works for a limited use pesting rifle in all weather conditions 👍👍. The Umarex Iconix should be a better choice for a "shooter who target practices and pests. I think the under $250 entry level PCP rifles are great and with a inexpensive Vevor hand pump, one has a much better platform. N2 is a great stable platform. Living in the Northwoods I wish it was used to replace the Co2 in air pistols for year round use and a more FPS.
I would agree. Though, haven't seen the Iconix yet, so I'll hold my judgement on that gun until I get one in hand.
I'm skeptical that this rifle/N2 system catches on.
It does offer more versatility because of the disposable canisters, but cost seems a bit too high.
I wonder if this rifle in .177 tuned for less power but higher shot count would be more appealing?
For those that want to plink paper, or dispatch pests 25 fpe isn't needed. A higher shot count at lower power would extend the use of th3 canisters.
Does Umarex plan on offering a conversion kit to run HPA? That would allow people to enter the PCP airgun world on N2 canisters to start and if they want to shoot more without the cost of N2 canisters they could opt for a conversion HPA bottle and fill from a bigger tank.
I bet someone has already converted one to save money.
Great video !
Tyler, I don't see this gun being an entry level PCP because of the cost of the nitro and the small shot count. What I can envision, and I hope you share this with Umarex, is a budget arrow launcher like the AirJavelin, only powered by HP nitro and regulated. A bow hunter is not going to expect to get or need to get lots of shots from the cartridges. The CO2 powered AirJavelin is really too low powered for deer, especially since deer are usually taken in temperatures that ruin an already weak CO2 powered system. I assume that nitro would be more temperature stable and that the regulator would aid that even more. A bow hunter might be reluctant to buy compressors and pumps to charge a gun like the more capable PCP powered AirSaber, even if he thought the idea of an arrow launcher was appealing, because he just isn't going to be shooting it like we shoot our pellet PCPs (100s of shots at a sitting) Taking a charged gun into the deer field with a spare tank in the pocket, just in case, might be more appealing. That's my thoughts on the matter.
That's another good use case for it for sure! I am fairly certain the folks at Umarex have a decent number of ideas for this tech already, but the arrow launcher side makes perfect sense to me. Good call!
Appreciate your thoughts here. We are working on additional use cases as you might imagine. What we will say is that not everyone has $200 for a rifle, $$ for a scope, and $300 for compressor that's a pain to use (keep cool) without using credit to secure it all. Let's make the PCP experience more attainable and convenient and then more people will transition from here to join you, us and others in shooting more sophisticated PCPs with a passion!
@@UmarexAir $300 for a compressor (only purchased once) or $175 for 7 pairs of nitrogen to fire 500 pellets? Mmm... sorry, I'm going for the compressor. But even better: the Umarex Origin pcp with manual pump included.
I'm not sure if this helps or hurts the sport to be honest. Sounds like the business model of an inkjet printer take the loss on the gun make up for it in the cost of the cartridges overtime.
I doubt it will hurt anything. If or how much it helps will depend on adoption. If it brings in new airgunners, then it's a win. But it will take time to see that play out.
I appreciate the testing and info. It’s good to have options!
Certainly! Couldn't agree more.
Where I live I pay $6 to fill a 12 litre scuba tank to 4500 psi and I live inland far from any sea. Yes, I needed to buy a scuba tank. Found one used for $50 got it approved for another $120. With these gas canisters it will cost a fortune in the end so it's not a surprise that the rifle itself is on the cheap side.
And I guarantee that within a year you want to replace it with a proper pcp. So from my own experience of buying cheap pcp I recommend to pay the extra money to get a something for $1000 plus.
A small tip. Ask your local fire department kindly and respectfully if they would consider to fill a scuba tank for you once in a while. Many of them can consider doing so as long as your scuba tank are up to date on inspections. Most time they just take a small donation to the coffee and cake fond, works at least here in sweden.😊
First pcp Hatsan gladius.
Current pcp Edgun leshiy 2.
I'm with you on pain of paying for cartridges. I bought Umarex Origin, then a scuba tank on Craigslist for $60, after the tank was low it needed recertification and internal examination ($90). Now refills are $10 at the nearby dive shop. I'm in heaven...
This isn't a "cheap alternative" nor a PCP! A 2 pack of Nitro cartridges cost $23 for only about 100 shots?! That's insane, my friend.
Yeah, but if someone is looking for the convenience of CO2 with the power of PCP, this is the ticket! But no way I'm paying that much for cylinders.
I'm typically a fan of umarex innovation, but i see this thing aging much like an air rifle equivalent to the 17 hm2. Or the caseless ammo that was supposed to be the new biggest thing 30 years ago. It was amazingly creative, but an answer to a question no one was really asking.
That's fair. My opinion, I don't see this as the next biggest thing...but is it a "thing"...absolutely. And I see a place for it, the question is, does the general airgun consumer. And that, we will all find out together.
Answer to a question nobody was asking lmao that's perfect
@@pyramydair I definitely hope it gains traction, because if it does, the next evolution will be refillable cylinders. And that, combined with this form factor, I think could really take off. I'd probably have to have one then.
@@edwardmyirski7964 I don't think there's anything stopping Umarex (or anyone else for that matter) from doing that for this gun sooner than later. In fact, if they could do it and offer it as an additional accessory for the gun for $50 or so, I think they'd make the gun a lot more versatile and appealing to exisitng PCP owners.
@@edwardmyirski7964refillable cylinders… so back to just a regular PCP gun😂😂 or co2…
I'm on the fence with this one,.. Power wise it's better than CO2, but doesn't match PCP.
CO2 cartridges are dirt cheap the N2 ones are now marketed at 11,50 a piece, thats a lot!
I'd prefer to but a cheap PCP pump (Vevor e.g.) and go for the Iconix, I'm waiting for this one to become available in the Netherlands.
Edit: It would be cool if Umarex would offer a PCP bottle insert to replace the N2 cartidge. You could fully move over to PCP once you own a pump without tossing the gun.
I think it's a great idea, im not going to compare it to pcp, but comparing it to co2 i see tons of improvements and a bright future for growth as well
That's a fair perspective. Be interesting to see if this could be employed in smaller projectiles for pistols as well
@@pyramydair 100% my thoughts, all the semi auto and full auto guns coming out would really benefit from ditching CO2.
Respect. Depends on one's definition of PCP. Even a "popular" pellet rifle maker recently used "HPA" to describe their break barrel. 🙄
@@UmarexAir 😆
Interesting. PCP power from a canister! Currenlty, I'm paying $8-12 for Co2 cartridges to power my MPX and DPMS. Both of which are seriously under powered for any kind of pesting. Sure, they're fun or I'd have gotten rid of them. However, I took a friend with me to shoot pigeons are a farm and he insisted that his Co2 rifle was up to the task. The first pigeon he shot flew off despite being shot center chest. My friend chased it down to a back fence and shot it again. And again ti flew off behind some pens. He followed it and put another round into it and when it didn't go down despite being shot three times, my friend gave up. This would NOT have happened if my friend had been using PCP level power on that damn bird!
I'll be telling my friend about the Komplete as what's holding him back is that he doesn't want to invest in all the accessories necessary to go full PCP.
Nice! The more I think about it, the better comparison might be to CO2 guns. While this has many of the hallmark features and performance of a PCP, the cartridge aspect is the same as CO2. In that comparison, I think the benefits are clear. The cost per shot or cost per fill is quite high still, but if you have a need for the extra power and don't want to deal with fill equipment, it's really the only option that bridges that gap at the moment.
donpeer4477 thank you for sharing. Great point.
Hey Diana Stormrider and a $50 PCP pump is still cheaper than buying this piece of crap
This would be very interesting indeed... if only the nitrogen cylinders were cheaper ._.
OR you could adapt a PCP air tank maybe? That would be so awesome
Good thoughts.
18.13. Probably hole in hole. Hunting you don't shoot 40 rounds. Excellent i think.
The nitrogen cartridges appear difficult to source, I've found lots of small ones and the large ones appear to be for dispensing beverages @ $22 - $24.00 a piece. If that's what it's going to cost every time you want to go shootin', soon adds up, be better off buying a PCP with a budget compressor which will pay for itself over time. You could give me the gun for free but I'm not interested if have to pay $25 every time I use it. Unless of course I've got the price wrong and the price of Nitro cartridges for it are substantially cheaper. Is a nice gun tho', excellent value for $200
These are brand new, so you're not going to find them everywhere just yet. It's about $11.50 per cartridge (you buy in packs of two). But I get what you're saying. Either way, if you do the cost analysis based on how much you want to shoot, and decide to bite the bullet and buy a traditional PCP and fill source OR if you decide to go this route with the Komplete, I'm happy to get a newbie into the PCP fold.
think about those beverage tanks , now add an hpa refill conversion and now ya got 3600psi . is that mnot correct?
refillable by hpa compresser or hand hpa pump easily.
i think but waiting on pyramidair to confirm before i go buying anything.
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This rifle seems to offer some good performance for the cost. However the cost of the air cylinders makes no economical sense.
Wonder how quickly these will be modified to take carbon fiber tanks
Good question 👍
@@theshootindutchman if it’s easy and someone already has tanks around, could be a nice cheap little regulated gun
umarex is working on it.
The fit and finish looks really nice and great for its price . I wish the original gauntlet would of came with a side lever and the fit and finish would of been of the same quality. It also cast 120$ more 😅😢✌️💯
Hear you and thank you.
All testing and shot counts were done using standard-weight lead pellets found everywhere.
11.9 grain .22s were used for Umarex's stated lead velo and energy rating.
Not for everyone but I like the concept especially for people that don't shoot a whole lot but still want a bit more power than co2 can provide
As some other mentioned it would be great if they would offer a refillable cylinder that you can fill up with air if you want to
I have to stick with my magnum break barrel. It shots really well and it has forever gas ram. NITRO filled 😂😂😂😂
Totally fair, but if that gas ram ever leaks (which does happen) you're out of the game until you get a new ram in there. Just sayin.
If you’re happy with your gun then thats awesome
@@pyramydair And it will in my experience with gas rams!
What we need is an affordable air compressors because the cost of compressors is ridiculous
We agree.
Great gun for travel and road trips where bringing compressors and pumps could be burdensome.
Someone hunting and not shooting at lot I could see this working well at about .25 cents a shot. For someone that shoots 7 mags or so a day would get expensive. Maybe 7 mags a week to some people this might be ok. If you only shoot 7 mags a month, not too bad. Some people won't shoot 7 mags a year.
I agree. It makes sense in some instances, definitely not in others. Largely dependent on how much you shoot. Though, that might make for a nice opportunity for Umarex to release a stand alone refillable cylinder to convert this gun to a traditional PCP later on.
@@pyramydair If they don't, Someone else most likely will find a way to adapt it lol.
How long will a tank last once it is pierced? If I need it for 3 shots today but it leaks out before tomorrow that is no good.
Assuming there's no leak in the system itself (same with any PCP), indefinitely. Over the course of this review, I intentionally left one of the cartridges on the gun after shooting two mags for about 3 days. When I picked the gun back up, I got about 15 more shots before I started to watch my point of impact drop at 45 yards. So it held just fine.
No desiccant no pump, no pump noise. It's just 💰.
Looks neat and has accuracy ad well as looking better than the Gauntlet 👍
Really nice review. Looks like a very interesting air gun. Thanks for sharing this 😊👍🏼🔫
Thanks for watching!
@pyramydair lol i start with a laugh this morning. I have to so I can retain my sanity. Many years in this hobby of ours and sport. It never fails that the skeptics and "experts" come out in force to beat down anything new or innovative. I like the idea of the gun for convenience around the house when i dont feel like grabbing one of my expensive heavy ass pcp's. Like many i can not use a firearm because, yes, i was a idiot and a time in my life and broke mans law. So, im limited to what I can use to hunt with. Pyramid and Tyler thanks and Umarex for bringing choices to the table.
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@@psycho6275 Thanks for watching and I appreciate the comment and kind words. There's definitely a market for this gun, just a question of how big it is.
How long does the nitro cartridge last n can you leave it in the airgun for weeks ar a time
Yes you can leave the cartridges in the gun under pressure. Assuming no leaks are present in the system, then you're good to go. No different than any other PCP in that regard.
someone will make a resulable cylinder that can be refilled with hand pump , this would make the gun more affordable and practical
I agree. If it can be done affordably, I think this becomes a good option for existing PCP owners as well.
@@pyramydair of if someone just installed a fill nipple on the gun itself , no need for more carts.
This could be great for people taking them out a few times a year for pest control and hunting!
Is that a new magazine design, or one that is already on the market? I like the m-lok slots, I'm assuming those are standard size?
Hi do you the Tun up kit for Diana 34, 35, 45, ? Thank you ahead of you can help me out 👋👍
Can you leave the n2 cylinder in the rifle? I know you are not supposed to do that with CO2. Thanks
Yes. You can leave it on the gun if you don’t shoot the cartridge all the way down.
@@tylerpatner6591 do you know what the thread is on the cylinder?
Also the working and max pressure?
I have an extra carbon fiber bottle that I would love to throw on this as a gun for the kids and cabin.
Definitely wouldn't be worried if it's left in the rain or gets dropped.
@@SifuTimBerkemeier I did not measure the ones we had sadly. Reg pressure is 1800 psi and the max fill would be 3600 psi (that's what the cartridges are pre-filled with.
@@pyramydair I'm sure if it's not the standard thread I imagine someone will make an adapter with a fill port
@@tylerpatner6591that makes it more useful for next to the door, for quick pest control at 2am when something decides to eat your cat food.
Hell, for just $200, it’s worth for collecting to some. Appreciate
I assume that it is an attempt to diversify leftover nitro piston gases.
Can wait to see the o2 conversions and the builds to come shoot hatsan might try and drop a barely function switch auto nitro gun
Why not an optional rechargeable cylinder that screws in place with a gauge for people to upgrade when they get a compressor.
For sure! I am just glad there is an option for PCP power and accuracy without the hassle of a pump or compressor.
if it s a nitrogen filled canister, filling it up with just normal air , would yield subpar performance/ shot numbers.
If this was my 1st airgun? Yes, I'd be all into it. It appears to be a great gateway gun. As much as I like to shoot though? I could potentially spend $115 a week on cartridges... 5 weeks of shooting I coulda bought a compressor and, at a similar price point, a Notos Carbine or Hatsan Jet II which are both FUN AS HELL guns that are a joy to shoot and fill fast off a ReadyAir. Now, as for introducing my nephew to modern airgunning? It's an attractive gift option. If you bought this for a neophyte marksman and they cooled to the idea or shot sparingly, you wouldn't suffer the buyer's remorse. Plus, Umarex makes good stuff (good thing, because their customer service is not very friendly in my experience. My PPQ M2 slide EXPLODED off the frame and I have a ReadyAir that shows an "S" fault after travelling ONCE, but they were such jerks when I called I guess I'm flushing that $800)
This is my general thought process as well. It should be a great way to get folks into it, show them the potential of PCPs and make the decision to get a fill source and a bigger/better gun way easier. Would make a good camping gun too if you didn't want to hault a tank or compressor around.
What do the cartridges cost?
$22.99 for 2 pack
The review did not accurately report the shot count. It is over 40 consistent high-velocity regulated shots plus another 30 for a total of 70 or more.
up 45 regulated shots before the pressure falls below the regulated pressure of 1800 psi.
1. Availability..can I get refills at Walmart Mizzoula? 2. Why can't it outperform a 30 foot pound Hatsan break barrel , et al? A pcp should prefer 20 grain plus pellets in .22 ca. Why can I not compressor fill in a pinch/ swap a 88 g co2 cartridge?. 3. 200 pellets equal 100 dollars. 4. Will other mfgs follow suit? A super co 2.l. Same headaches.
Yea it'd cost you over $111 to shoot through 500 pellet tin of 22 cal , 11 canisters 45 shots each. By the time you shoot 1500 pellets or 3 tins you could have afforded a cheap Chinese air compressor for right at 300.
To me 40 shots per cylinder is not enough & will be expensive to run ultimately. And having seen the damage a rapidly de-compressing PCP cylinder can do, a puncturable gas cylinder holding back that pressure has safety concerns IMO. I would hope Umarex also offer this gun with a refillable air tank option....that would be much more attractive IMO. Are there any implications in terms of shipping these high pressure cylinders ?
These can only ship by ground
When is it available???? Its the middle of May..
We have a limited number that should be here within a few days.
$22.95 for a 2-pack of nitro cartridges for only about 50 shots per cartridge is EXPENSIVE! You're better off getting a real pcp to save money over time!
@stephene.barbin8036 ive got many pcp's. Top end guns to budget guns. I like the novelty of it. I like it for a change of pace and convenience. I wouldn't use it alot but it would be there ready to go
If they could get the price of the cylinders down to $5 each and added a low power setting for plinking then I think they'd have a real winner.
At $11.50 per cylinder it's a bit much.
i think it is a good idea but i would like to see a air conversion bottle down the road. It seems like having to change the bottle every 38 shots can be a bother. Yet it seems simple but more expensive at the same time. I shoot 300 to 500 rounds a day ,doing pest control. that would come out to 12 cylinders a day at 11.50, that is 138 dollars a day. Not to mention pellets or lighter slugs. I do like the idea and might get one just for around the house but i see it being to expensive for a serious hunter or pester. I do like the ergonomics and design. Kudos to Umarex .but i would like to see a conversion later for a 300 or 480 cc bottle down the road( with a 250 bar fill) Or take the bottle from the Avenge X and shave off 6-8 inches from the bottle and convert it to fit the Komplete. With a longer barrel for the hunters in mind . With a 1/2unf threading on the barrel .
Seems like you make bad decisions if you think this thing was a good idea.
Make two refillable 3600psi cylinders you can hand pump say $60 for the two deal
That is cool but how much is the NITRO tube.
$22 for two carts
I'd probanly skip it due the powerlet. I'd rather jjst stay with co2 and air myself. But, still a neat rifle.
The Big Question is ...Does it leak like a Co2 gun when stored under pressure ❓
It does not. You can store these with pressure in them without a problem
Im sure a refillable HPA conversion kit from some third party company is in development for this
Now - that's probably true!!
Who would want to have to buy a pcp gun that you have to keep replacing the cartridge every 40 shots? you are better of just saving and buying a hand pump or small compresser because I am pretty sure those nitrogen cartridges will add up fast.
terrible idea especially when you can buy the umarex notos for $269 and a hand pump for around $200 or less or a air venture avenger for $349.
What is umarex even thinking with this gun?
what a waste of time money and effort to make this.
and no way in hell I would take this over a break barrel air rifle I guarantee that my weihrauch HW77k will out shoot this piece of crap any day of the week.
Come on man seriuously? this is the best that umarex can come up with?
talk about a step backwards.
It's meant for a low-commitment entry to PCPs for someone who is on the fence but doesn't want to spend the money. It's not meant for someone who either has a compressor or pump or is ready to purchase one.
@@pyramydair Or someone who just needs to eliminate nuisance pests from their backyard or garden now and again and doesn't want to invest a lot into the more sophisticated air rifles and accessories. I think it could be considered a "niche" item, which is not a bad thing as an entry-level air rifle. No hate meant.
@@pyramydair Ya I got that from the video and I will stand behind my original comment.
So lets do a little math Umarex Notos cost $269.99 air venturi hand pump $129.99 which comes out to $399.98
the umarex komplete cost $192.99 plus $22.99 per 2 pack of cartridges. which is $216.89 and you will get about roughly 80 shots before you need 2 more catridges So lets add 8 more 2 packs of cartridges which comes out to $400.81.
So lets say you like to shoot 2 times a week which is at a cost of $45.98 per week for the cost of the cartridges.
Well in 3 to 4 weeks you have just spent enough to buy your hand pump for the umarex Notos. and have also spent just as much as if you had just bought the Umarex Notos with a hand pump in the first place.
because after 3 to 4 weeks you are now spending more and more money for the air you need to shoot this gun but if you hand just done what I said you would happily be shooting and just spending money on pellets not air and pellets.
So Ya I will stand by my first comment 100%.
But I get it your in the business of promoting and selling this products and others like it and not necessarily in the business of giving the best advice to the new guy trying to get into the PCP world.
Because your job is to promote and sell these new and existing products.
But that is my 2 cents for what it is worth to anyone that gets to see this post before it mysteriously disappears.
It will hold air for weeks. Nitrogen is not like co2.
What caliber is it.
It comes in .177 or .22!
I notice you didn’t mention the price of the price of the air cartridges in the video??? Seems to me that would be the deal killer right there! For the price of a year’s cartridge supply for shooting, you could buy a compressor or a carbon fiber tank. It needs an adapter for a Ninja bottle like the Gauntlet so that people won’t have to throw it in the trash heap when they get serious about shooting!
An adapter may very well come, not sure who or what yet, but I am sure someones working on it as we speak. If it can be done for $50-$70 all in to convert it to a true PCP, I think then it makes some sense for existing pcp owners. But time will tell.
This is like the bastard child of a mating between the Gauntlet and the Umarex Octane. Not exactly backyard friendly in terms of loudness.
It appears that this new design can be easily altered to use a conventional PCP air tank of the correct dimensions.
For those who may own some metal working equipment, you could fabricate an adapter that went from the receiver to the conventional air tank fitted with a gauge and you should be good to go.
If you opt to go with the N2 cylinders and you shoot alot of pellets, I can easily see that you might as well have saved up a bit longer and just bought a conventional PCP and a hand pump.
Calling this a "PCP" is a bit of a stretch. And the cost of the nitrogen cylinders is definitely a deal breaker for me! Do the math... $12.00 per cylinder, with 40 shots per, comes to 30¢ per shot? Nope!
I for one am impressed. I have an old g1 i cant shoot because i cant afford a compressor. Thsi mught be a good alternative.
Well there ya go! Beats the heck out of hand pumping (at least for me)
I absolutely agree
Save your damn money and get the compressor don't be foolish and buy this thing. You would end up spending more on the Nitro tanks then a compressor in the long run. Ever hear the phrase "A fool and his money will soon part", don't be the fool. Use common sense.
Yea it'd cost you over $111 to shoot through 500 pellet tin of 22 cal , 11 canisters 45 shots each. By the time you shoot 1500 pellets or 3 tins you could have afforded a cheap Chinese air compressor for right at 300.
You lost me buds soon. You set it out of polymer plastic rail. Nobody wants a polymer p lastic rail that your mount a scope to I Unbelievable that they would make something like that.
That's if you can buy one.
Pretty loud. Hope they can get it down a bit.
still awaiting extra nitro cartridges i ordered
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It's not worth it to me. For $200, looking to go pcp, I'd go with Crosman 3622 or the new JTS offering(both ~$150)and get a hand pump for $40. 3600 psi is doable, I'm 50 yrs old, too. Better power, worse shot count(no regulator,but always could add in the future), but you never spend another dime except for pellets. And you have unlimited air for the future. Also, it would be a gun you could work on yourself. Not a one-piece polymer receiver. I just don't see an upside to this package.
Totally understand and appreciate the perspective. Thanks for watching and commenting!
This is awesome and will get many new shooters into the game.
Or it's great for the part-time pestor
I'm curious and I really hope that you can screw a bottle onto the front if someone wants to upgrade down the road
I’ve not tried it myself yet but I don’t think a standard 13ci regulated bottle will fit. Even if it did, you’d need a different output on that reg. But I can definitely see it coming as an add on accessory down the road to make this more appealing for existing PCP owners.
@@tylerpatner6591 Is the N2 cartridge connection-to-rifle of a proprietary design? Are the N2 cartridges currently "unobtanium"?
@@glenncoody I want to say it has to do with the way the cartridge is pierced which may be a part of the adapter that's attached to the gun that the cartridge screws into. Don't quote me on that. And yes, we don't have the cartridges on hand right now, but I'd anticipate them being readily available in the near future.
It's only money, buy two! 😂
would consider if there is a bottle conversion kit or larger canisters for more shots. and please STOP using light weight pellets as a base. 15 grain pellets are average. also it would be nice to put that info on the box so we the consumers know.
ALL brands will have to stop doing that (velos with lighter pellets) when marketing to people who shop brick and mortar stores. Thanks for recognizing that.
You'd be better served to get the components for the gun we already bought on your say so!
The Avenge X is touted as a caliber and stock change platform..none of which are readily available ...
Pretty sad!
I don't disagree with you, at least for most folks. FWIW, especially with the caliber change kits, most are backordered heavily so when we do get them in, they go right out the door, so they rarely show up as in-stock online. But more are on the way as we speak.
Haven't bought a co2 since the early 90's, waste of money on all those cartridges and just more to buy...(NOT FOR ME ) Just prolonging and still spending that money instead of just getting into PCP...
You're not wrong. But I suspect some will see it as a way to get into it without initially sinking in a bunch of money.
Umarex on FB just blocked me because I told them the truth about the cost of shooting the Komplete and the lack of support from the airgun community for this, IMO, mistake. It reminds me of the Daisy caseless ammo disaster in the 1970s. Umarex, you can block me, but that doesn't change the reality of the excessive cost of shooting your black plastic gun. A .22 LR rimfire would be better in every way
I don't think it makes any sense because you could buy a Diana. Storm rider and a $75 pump and would be good to go. A cylinder. Only made able to fire 40 to 60 shots that will go very fast , that will get very expensive buying cylinders. Especially if you puncture that cylinder and then you have to shoot it completely down within a day or day and a 1/2 like you would co 2 if you live in the city, and you could leave the cylinder in there for a long period of time, that might be okay.
And keep pumping, right? If you have time on your hands- by all means. For convenience of it - I am leaning towards a yes. Would like to see some user reviews, though
N2 cost too much for this. CO2 works fine and costs way less. This gun is a solution for a problem that doesn’t exist
Hello Fellow. Airgunners,
Granted, it’s more expensive than CO2, but for people living in sub-freezing temps., it’s a viable option compared to a Hammerli which like all CO2 products, is temperature dependent. This is a budget friendly survival tool. Hammerli should offer the 850 Air Magnum using this technology.
That’s a good Segway into my next point, the most exciting aspect of this invention to me. That is, does this mean Umarex can now apply this technology into any and all CO2 products, like all the beautiful replicas that always leave one wanting; in the performance area?Can Umarex make 12 gram versions w/Nitrogen so a replica Peacemaker can shoot like a p.c.p.? That would be game changing, especially for survivalists that can’t justify purchasing CO2 in cold climates. I can’t wait to see how far Umarex and other companies take this technology. All the bad ass replica firearms that only operate on either CO2 or Green gas, if it’s possible to re-design them using Nitrogen, that would be transformative; I would imagine with the aficionados of Western era firearms, that have yet to enjoy air gun versions that satisfy in all areas, and older chaps that would enjoy the ease of use. Big potential here; especially if the Nitrogen becomes more affordable.
The lack of temp sensitivity is definitely a worthwhile point. Makes this an interesting gun for those that want a "prepper" tool that is ready to go when they need it without hauling pumps, tanks or compressors around.
And the pistol part is interesting as well. In general, it will be interesting to see where and how this is used in the future. No doubt about that
Beep Beep, News Flash...the Umarex Komplete is absolutely NOT the first N2 powered gun.
I don't think it's a real bargain, almost 250 dollars to shoot 500 pellets, also only Umarex sells the cylinders and at this moment they are out of stock, I prefer a pcp like the Aspen, built-in pump and better features than the komplete, want a cheaper pcp, buy a Beeman commander, Nova vista, Stoeger carbine... there are many brands of cheap pcp for entry level also what is the problem with an air compressor? This is purchased only once, and it works for all the PCP that you want or can have, for example, Komplete- $200, pellets- (good brand) $35 each for 2 for 500 shots $75, 6.5 cylinders of nitrogen at $25 per pair (you have to buy 7) is $175: the first expense would be $450 and each time you want to continue shooting it would be $250. common!! buy any pcp and the air compressor and from then on you just have to buy pellets...
The guns that take the large throwaway CO2 capsules, never appealed to me bc the capsules cost $$$$. Now nitrogen throwaways $$$$?? Can't use the CO2 capsules? NOPE!! For budget minded folks, break-barrels or budget PCP guns&hand pumps.
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No one is satisfied with 30-40 shots. It will quickly surpass a pcp pump in costs. You can easily find an affordable pcp pump.
All the more reason for those interested to buy a standard PCP and fill equipment then, right?
Very cool air rifle but $25 for 80 shots is way to much money !!!!!! I wish they would make a 30 cal !!!!!!!!!!!
I would take a Gamo 10x break barrel 1000% over this thing because I can shoot all damn day. Why would you even say anything foolish like that at the end of this infomercial.
It won’t look like a good investment then!!!
Swing batter batter….swing batter batter…..strike 3 you’re out!! IE MASSIVE and I cannot stress MASSIVE enough swing and a miss. Hope umarex didn’t manufacture many.
30 ish cents per shot, just in gas alone! Definitely not a rifle for a frequent shooter…
You're not wrong. But a good choice to get someone into it
UHHHHH ..........NOPE . My break barrel or multi pump all day long ......thank you . As long as your arms work you have unlimited power . 40 shots can go pretty fast . 99% plastic for a 200.00 rifle .UH NO WAY . No middle man included just the rifle and some budget pellets . YA BABY...................🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Come on guy's it's a umarex the air guns world leader in cheap plastic pos guns I may a little jaded because any umarex I have had is a total piece of junk. Constantly buying $12 cartridges is a good way to get into pcp? The crossman 3622 is $200 with a pump if you find the deal. They didn't mention this at shot show because they would be laughed at. For what is available now days this is a horrible idea and will probably be flop for them. This is NOT a pcp it's is a cartarige gun. My comments are in no way against pyramyd air they are great and Tyler just doing his job
Tyler, I sent you an email about the new Ultimate FT up to 50 ft-lbs and 10-55 yds. The distances are given with 36-40 per lane Troyer difficulty. This would be a perfect platform for Pyramyd to showcase this gun and potentially get many new shooters into FT and air gunning in general. Let's talk; you have my number!!!!
Wow. Affordable price too. Very cool
Those nitrogen cartridges are 12.50 a piece for 40rds. That's more than a box of 9mm.
@TacticalJackalope that is not the point - like the video says - cheaper way of getting into PCP instead of having to get a compressor
The real question is how much is those nitrogen cartridges?
Nitrogen cartridges expensive
@@WHOTEEWHO In the long run. A compressor will be cheaper to fill the pcp air gun.
Expensive to shoot turd. The first run won’t sell and they’ll discontinue.