They are ridiculously expensive and I’m not convinced by their photos on IG that the material is quality. So thankful for you channel and reviews. Thank you!
@@SLUMLXRD they aren't worth it. I would rather buy a pair of Ufpro tactical pants, which is significantly better quality, better versatility and better feel.
The pants honestly aren't that bad construction-wise. The material is pretty robust, but they're not breathable and it's pretty stiff. It's quite uncomfortable to wear, had one of it once, would totally avoid their jackets though.
The more confident you get, the funnier your videos are! I was dead laughing at the hostage... erm unboxing video! Getting miles out of those Aeons too I see, now in both colors! heh heh. got to say I picked up the black ones when they dropped and are my fav shoe right now. just so fun to wear.
Yeah I agree, you can see that Antwon put a lot of effort into the editing and it really shows! Keep up the good work Antwon! Your videos are amazing 👏🏻
I bought the blp 02s a couple of years ago and they fulfill their purpose; they make you stand out and it's quite easy to create a look with them, just don't wear them if you're going to be going through many stairs, or walking a lot. As usual, great review. I thought you were shorter.
dope video, I'm 5'10" on the slim side and bought a size L. They look just like they did in the pics on their insta as they did on me. If you seriously pull on the straps they will pop out which is what ended up happening to me thanks to my niece. Luckily I knew someone who could sew. I got them back on extra tight so that's something to be weary of. I usually wear the ankle straps super tight to give off that baggy top half slim lower half like Adidas pants do. The pants themselves are kinda heavy for pants and even strapped up around the waist they'll sag a little if I have too much in my pockets. Other than that everything you said is on point
Got these pants at the beginning of 2021 in L size (1.80m ~65kg) and they fit great, not tight at all. While it might not be on best quality teachwear standards I still feel great going out with them and I got a lot more comments on them from people than before, even the cashier from a supermarket asked what kind of techwear pants are they lolo so yeah honestly they look really really aesthetically pleasing for me so I'm happy with them. Not long ago they also released the B.L.P-04 V2 which are the newer improved version, the material is now more of a polyester, and more flexible I'd say, maybe less breathable but they changed the straps and a bit of the details. I didn't expect them to be that bad compared to real brand techwear but again it just looks good 🦝
Glad they fit you well! They're attention-grabbing for sure so I'm not surprised they get noticed by the general public. I did see that new version - if the material is indeed an improvement that would make a different to how wearable these are for sure. Not sure if I like the new shiny straps though
@@ThisIsAntwon same, these shiny straps arent only worse from the look imo but they arent that stretchy and moveable so some functions look weird when i make the pants thinner on the bottom because they stretch out very noticeable for example. well at least these new straps can't be damaged like urs are.
If you want wearable, sturdy and functional cargopants...buy the latest Snickers or Blakleader construction workpants. available near you at any professions retailer.
I have 3 pairs from them and as much as I love the aesthetics of them, they do tend to just fall apart after some time. I’ve had 2 pairs have issues mainly the ankle tightening straps or the back pocket loops pop stitching and need sewing back on. I’m a tattoo artist so there’s not much movement from my end this is just wearing casually at work sitting down most of the day. But as someone who is more on the cyber punk look, I still like to wear them regardless because I mean, frick they look sweet lol. definitely want to put a warning out there that they can have malfunctions depending on how often you wear them.
I'm an Indonesian. It's normal if you don't have unboxing video no return if there's a defect, no insurance in shipping (if it lost in shipping it's not seller's fault), and hard return policy. Hate it but it's the best policy seller's can do.
Love ur vids man. I would really like it if you made another video with like the complications of all those more budget brands you’ve talked about before. Take care and look forward to your next vid.
I wear Holy grail for more of a casual streetwear look rather than full on warcore or cyberpunk. like my combination for them is the stay cold apparel with Holy grail and air raid Jordan or during winter a combination with machine 56.
I'm from Indonesia and it's common thing to film yourself while opening the package it's actually sucks but it helps brand because there were some cases where customer lying to brand, anyway i followed ur tiktok nice vid fam
Ngl I grew up in a family that has all been in the war from aircraft, medical or straight up war in Vietnam To them now having a grandchild that has a warcore style 💀
If you are spending $200 why would you not opt for some Fjallraven Vidda Pro or Keb cargo pants? I really recommend them. Look very techwear in black and grey and are fully functional hard wearing pants made for actual use. You have a real item rather than cosplay. I say this of course as someone not into techwear who watches this channel for fun. I often end up wearing a techwear adjacent aethetic out of practicality for hiking and bushcraft.
Holy grail and machine 56 are just the final boss of aliexpress-Esc #techwear. When it comes to affordable techwear I've find nosucism and ninja Warning have been the best value of performance and quality.
great video antwon, i was wondering if you could review emmiol. I know it’s not techwear and more streetwear but i’m genuinely wondering if it’s a scam since there isn’t much videos out there about it. ty 😁👍
Hah the hostage video, irl hoot of laughter :p I'd love to see you do a bit on the MACHINE56 stuff, though getting ahold of some might be tough, their runs are extremely short and stuff sells out in zero time flat (Unless the M56 team send you a couple bits to review of course). I have three of their jackets, two of the filled puffa types and one shell jacket, and honestly now I have them I don't think they will ever get worn and I'm considering the dreaded eBay Experience - they are absolutely needle-buried at the 'Cyber Cosplay' end of the fashion dial. Very well made even so, I think you'd get a lot more everyday wear out of a M56 jacket than these HG pants, but only if you don't mind looking like an anime on your local high street. (I'd offer to loan you a couple to review but I'm a lot heftier than you are and the M56 XL is indeed extra large; Ant all looking like a kid wearing dads coat)
You know what's really messed up? I only stumbled across this video AFTER I ordered and received a pair. Yes. He is NOT joking about that chemical smell. They were immediately dumped into the washing machine which seemed to lessen the scent, but not completely remove it. They definitely feel durable and look great. I haven't gone anywhere with them yet, so we'll say that they will hold up well if you're walking around in the house. (SideNote: the cat seems to like them as it came up to me while wearing them, but not afterward.) All the pockets and pieces worked like they were supposed to so no complaints there. All-in-all I'm happy with the purchase. Aside from the wait, I'd do it again.
Just gotta ask, how tall are you and how much do you weigh? Considering that which size did you order. I am really confused about their sizing so I'd just like to know. Thanks in advance 👍
@@JohnXina97 I'm a short guy (5'3 191lbs) and ordered the large. They fit a little longer than my legs, but I wanted that for the more baggy look. I hope that helps.
@@WhatDaFurk i personally have a pair of MXDVS cargos and in my personal opinion I think they are a welcome addition to my style. I respect your opinion tho
In Indonesia, no refunds is standard practice, because people would literally bring in knockoffs and claim at a store that sells the original item, or they would steal things and then return them asking for a refund. There many underhanded practices Indonesian consumers would do, but that’s one example. Definitely not cute, but that’s what you can expect in a 3rd world country. I can speak from first hand exp, because I was born and raised there for 19 years, before I busted out.
im gonna go on a limb here and (being indonesian) im gonna guess the reason why theyre not accepting returns is because itll be very VERY expensive for them. the cost of one of those pants is the same as the monthly min. wage of people in the capital. the shipping cost, is like 1/4 or even half of it. but theyre selling these with USD price, to overseas costumers, making stuff in indonesia is very very veryyyyy cheap. so i dont think its because they dont have the funds to accept returns, i just think they dont want to lose that absurd huge amount of profit margin also if theres even a thing as customer's right here i dont think anyone knows hahaha
Yeah their returns conditions are trash and they do not provide enough information about sizing for tall people. If you're willing to shell out the price just for internet clout its probably not worth it. Plus everyone is starting to wear them now even people who know nothing about techwear. Its just expensive cosplay.
I had this problem when I first ordered I bought 5 pairs for 800$ and they take a super long time, purchasing from Indonesian retailers can be problematic but don’t worry they will arrive the problem is you will never know when when I first ordered I waited a whole year and eventually a few days after Xmas they arrived
@@svereign1844 yeah… best of luck bro hopefully you get a surprise package that contains them at some point, I’ve also had the same problem with other Indonesian brands other like machine56 as well :/
I have the same problem here, no feedback from customer support. I have now given the case to Paypal and requested the money back. My order is also over 1000$, which is not a small amount for a first order of a new brand.
Whenever a brand has such a shit return policy I simply won't order out of principle. It basically tells you they don't have faith in their product and they expect a lot of returns, which is why they either don't allow it or make it as difficult as possible.
Im not inspired by the return policy either, but in the interest of fairness I do think they probably had to deal with a bunch of "influencers" buying these for 1 or 2 photos and then trying to return them. Wouldnt surprise me. And if thats the case then I think theyre probably justified in how they tried to crack down on it. Too bad it has a negative unintended result in completely tanking confidence in the brand.
not realy... tthe return policy in indonesia is deferent... many brand in indonesia do it like that because many people return it with fake of their brand or their produc damage to much just to have money back...
@@AbbiAbii yup true, back then most Indonesian abuse the old policy to get a refund until all store decided to change it and we have this new policy. I guess we already used to it
Depends on who they sell to.....alot of you in the west are living in failing societies with failing cultures and among other things return rates are absolutely exploding. One of my old jobs used this theory and made returns difficult only for certain regions, and you could see the problem areas spreading fast. In the US it was spreading from the 3 coasts. (and no that's not why I think society is failing, but watching those red zones spreading may or may not have finally convinced me. It is what it is.)
@@ChadDidNothingWrong "Failing societies with failing cultures"? Are you drunk or high on drugs? And "failing" compared to what? Indonesia? 😂 Dude, that's such a dumb and ignorant gerneralized statement...
M56 & HOLYGRAIL are brands focused on the "aesthetic" more than actual "functionalities". I bought a few of them and I prefer to warn you guys, if you are a fast walker like me these pants make some awkward noises 😅 it might feel kinda cringey but who cares.
@@colbyboucher6391 I recently just bought a pair of M56 pants in gold/yellow and I am telling everyone now being quiet is not a thing they're LOUD when you walk and everyone knows you're coming lmfao
Being loud when you walk is a problem? Doesn't everyone make noise when they walk anyway? My acronym prestos make lots of noise when I walk... is that meaning that acronym and nike overall are not built from technicality? Not sure but...
As someone who has these pants and wears em pretty regularly here's my two cents on long term wear! - The main centerpiece straps that go between the legs that nylon material within about 2-3 months of decent use will start having little singular strands fray and break and from that point on the straps wont be that solid rectangle but instead have slight edges of broken strap that can never be fixed and HOLY GRAIL does not sell those straps by themselves so once they break.... ur done. - The straps by the ankle used to cinch and tighten are kinda poorly sewn into the leg which i can tell you all it takes is 1 little tug and they will rip out and youll only have 1 ankle able to be tightened, if you know how to sew or have a family member or a seamstress nearby they should be able to just reattach them but for pants that cost so damn much and are supposed to seem like they can take a beating they are surprisingly weak to any real wear. - The velcro used for some of the pockets very quickly wear out, idk if this is just velcro as a whole or maybe the brand they use but it takes about 3 good open and closes for them to never seal back perfectly again. - The material used is a bit rough, and definitely does not help with any kind of real breathability, if you are skinny a thankfulness is that itll probably be wide around you but if you fill out the pants and live in any kind of non-winter permanent climate you will sweat nonstop.... ik bc i live in Florida(and im one of the skinny fuckers too 6'3 and only 145 lbs). - If you are a male and used to jeans or pants that have a zipper in the front, these lack them, and the way the pants are designed means that any kind of reason youd want to maybe not fully expose yourself and your ass but gain access to inside the pants, like idk trying to use a urinal, forget about it. These pants are so rigid and stiff you have to use a stall bc to get any kind of bananas out requires pulling the entirety of the waist section down. (if i can think of any more ill edit this, and if anyone else has anything to add or questions feel free to reply)
@@onyx_vi i couldnt resist and bought them anyways. but i will only wear them in club etc. for festival i foud cheap ones on aliexpress. (they are a fake from the fabric of the universe ones, quality is okay even though its a fake)
To be honest, I do not understand the reasons behind warcore I mean just buy a pair of es.motion and a climbing harness from Skylotec, this way you still got those straps and a pair of pretty good cargo pants, just got to make them loose enough Also those straps will be really usable and you could trust your life on them... And you will still look edgy while walking through the city with both of those
I’ve had a pair of holy grails for about a year now the main problem I think of is the breathability is pretty bad for summer but since its mostly cold in canada It really don’t matter. Straps don’t get in the way as you walk if you size right But my malfunction was the loop that connects to the back pocket ripped out so it kinda just hangs till i sew it :/
Sorry to hear you had an issue with your pair as well - at least it's an easy fix I hope! They're better in colder climates for sure (unfortunately it's pretty warm in the UK atm!). You do have to be a bit careful though as very poor breathability can mean if you start sweating the moisture gets trapped leaving you suddenly VERY cold! Fine if you're just walking around though obviously
@@striife4823 I definitely thought about it but I wouldn’t do it unless you wanna get snagged on everything and be hot af while running carrying all your gear
@@striife4823 Not really a good idea. Pants from airsoft brands or even military surplus will serve you way better, longer, and in most cases for cheaper.
I feel like the target group for these would be entirely satisfied with the much cheaper Taobao/dropshipped products. The quality, price, and especially their approach to customers is just nonsensical.
Can we get a short on what it's like to wash these? I've read some real horror stories about the care of these pants and ruining them in the wash. Though based on the velcro strap my hopes aren't very high lol
so I own a pair have for a few months now, how you wash them at least what I do is you remove the outside detachable buckles then flip the pants inside out, run it on light wash cold, and do not put them in the dryer, simply hang them up to fully air dry and you'll be fine.
I almost fucked up my washing machine and my pants because I didn't know my cargo pants with 10000 straps will turn into a killer machine itself. So please take off everything u can take off and turn ur pants from inside out. :)
washing really isnt that bad, it actually does have on the pants their idea washing settings, biggest annoyance is if you dont take off the straps or flip em inside out then you can hear the straps clank around. They say air dry them (i seriously would recommend that as well) but if you do use a dryer then the slamming clanking of the plastic straps will be louder than lawnmowers and you can really mess up the material if its too hot
i have 3 different kinds of these pants from their site, im 5'9 and have a 38inch waist, i wear a size xl, if you have bigger hips then you'd need to get a bit larger because the waist doesn't stretch that much, i ddidn't really care about the length of the pants because i wear a pair of 14eye gripfast boots i also have their H-G B.O.M.B-04/BLCK jacket, and found a B.PRK jacket on ebay not to long ago, i also have 2 jackets from machine56, the MS-BOMBER D3_B1 and MS/B-TYPE_V3-BK i mean sure in the summer it's going to kinda get hot but even wearing shorts and a tshirt it can still be hot, but i was also wearing all these pants and jackets in the winter and it kept me warm (im from manitoba canada, manitoba can be +30-40C in summer, and -30-40C in winter) i've had people say they liked them, one of the people had some "techwear" pants from some site i can't remember (probably a dropshipper), said they were a xxxl, and just by looking at the person wearing them, id never fit in them the only down side to them is that you have to hand wash them (not all the time if you wipe your ass properly) and yes their are people who wear this stuff out in public, not just for some photoshoots
Holygrail or Holyfail, I will leave that in the middle but I'm sure their marketing team is bigger then the people that work for customer service. @This Is Antwon: can we expect more video's about Holygrail products? As I'm very curious to their jackets... Would love to hear from you.
Hello, Indonesian here The practice of " you need to record stuff to complaint " is surprisingly really common here. My guess as to why tho are shaky as heck, but here's my guess The first one is the stuff here are mad cheap, refunding or returning an item is and usually is more expensive than the product itself The second one is false refund, where the company is starting up, has a little amount of money and cannot afford to offer refund unless really necessary The third one is even the big companies ( even from western brand ) doesn't offer refund here, if you bought an item, you cannot refund it, only warranties are given Hope these helps i guess (??)
Um, actually... Some of the online marketplaces here do have free shipping for returns... agreed with the second point though, sometimes people here can be a jerk lol... For the third, I haven't bought anything from the west so i'm going no comment on it
I looked at the price of one of those type pants one day, read the "NO REFUNDS no matter what" and all I could think was that it'd probably be cheaper to buy a machine, learn to sew, buy the material and make the bloody pants myself.
lol I actually do this, taking inspirations from the brand,bought a pair of cargo pants, few metres of straps, bunch of buckles, put them together and I have my own "holy grail" techpants. Very comfortable because I'm gonna be the only one that's wearing it
The unboxing video is prevalent in Southeast Asia because there’s a lot of scammer customers abusing the return systems here. Just a bit of perspective!
I liked the general aesthetic for the pants however the policies for returning the items are god awful, and it seems though you're just forced to deal with a terrible purchase if the size is wrong, also Holy Grail seems like one shady ass company you would find on IG ads , which is how I found their clothing, through an IG ad.
I found your channel a year ago and I have to say it’s greatly helped me evolve my style and perspective on fashion. I used to buy from the drop shippers you discussed in older videos and your channel helped me become more aware of the shady practices of “techwear” retailers. Your videos have really helped me appreciate performance clothing and made me want to dip my foot into “true techwear” and not these fast fashion, edgy retailers. While I do enjoy the overly edgy straps and aesthetics of something like holy grail, I can now differentiate high quality over something of low quality like techwear club. I guess what I’m trying to say is, thank you for providing content that can help new people wanting to dip their toes into this subculture like me, and thank you for helping me find the balance in my style I needed 🙏
Filming while you’re opening the item is actually a very common practice in south east Asia, as a means to deter fraudulent claim. Southeast Asia business have a much much lower profit margin and thus seller cannot tolerate a much more relaxed return-policy as in the “west” . So there’s nothing really strange about that.
coming from the manufacturer's country, I can attest to that video unboxing thing although I must say it's really weird that they make it really difficult to return and refund as they don't seem to be working on a lower profit margin (only an assumption from the price point of their stuffs). I got cheaper local tactical boot manufacturer which I could confirm working on a tighter margin with better return policy than this brand
Could you do a video about Fabric of the Universe? Also a brand thats seen often on Instagram and I defenetly think it be interesting to know how good they actually are 🤔
I agree, but HG's policy is also understandable in Indonesia's customer culture. I ran an online fashion business, and you'd be shocked at how much of our items are lost at transfer, fraudulent customers asking for returns due to damages that are non existent before shipping (we even took vids of our stuff before shipping to prevent these kinds of complaints), customers saying they don't receive their order while the courier certainly have sent them - all sorts of things that sadly, as an online business we always have to give returns and stuff just so they won't give a bad review even though we are not at fault, which really hurt the company's bottomline as a small business. So yeah, I do think both the customers and businesses in Indonesia are at fault, too much fraudulent practices from both sides and less logistics care handling for any kind of normal return policies to be adopted here. And for some time, national customer protection policy was there, though it was taken down again due to reasons I stated above.
I really like the design but all of the things you brought up make me hesitant to buy them. I'm not going to spend $200 on something that I can only use to take pictures in... If I'm paying anything more than $70 they need to be wearable for at least 10 years. Because I have some old Levi's that I got while I was in high school that are still usable to this day.
I've owned a pair of Holy Grail for about 3 years now, tbh I think they're pretty comfy and if you're going for that look are "Aesthetically pleasing" but I do wish that they wouldn't cost like 200€
For the record if you used credit card you can just chargeback. Their return policy is a violation of the mastercard/visa policies, and those reign supreme (but don't expect to order anything from them again after lol)
They are ridiculously expensive and I’m not convinced by their photos on IG that the material is quality. So thankful for you channel and reviews. Thank you!
theyre worth it, but it depends on your preference
@@SLUMLXRD idk man I’m not gonna lie these look stiff as hell and not too high quality
@@SLUMLXRD they aren't worth it. I would rather buy a pair of Ufpro tactical pants, which is significantly better quality, better versatility and better feel.
The pants honestly aren't that bad construction-wise. The material is pretty robust, but they're not breathable and it's pretty stiff. It's quite uncomfortable to wear, had one of it once, would totally avoid their jackets though.
@@SLUMLXRD they are so not worth it, they're so badly made.
From how they are advertised, to now actually seeing somebody talk about them, these really are like the endboss of dropship style pants
hahaha probably a fair description
I got these,there pretty cool
@@101.w_nnja7sameeee bro
...for a wannabe ninja, otherwise mega cringe
The more confident you get, the funnier your videos are! I was dead laughing at the hostage... erm unboxing video! Getting miles out of those Aeons too I see, now in both colors! heh heh. got to say I picked up the black ones when they dropped and are my fav shoe right now. just so fun to wear.
Yeah I agree, you can see that Antwon put a lot of effort into the editing and it really shows! Keep up the good work Antwon! Your videos are amazing 👏🏻
it is like a good wine, it gets better with the time! love it!
That was gold 😂😂😂 “not because I’m being forced to”🥺🥹😭
I bought the blp 02s a couple of years ago and they fulfill their purpose; they make you stand out and it's quite easy to create a look with them, just don't wear them if you're going to be going through many stairs, or walking a lot.
As usual, great review. I thought you were shorter.
Please do the Fabric of The Universe brand next. Thanks.
dope video, I'm 5'10" on the slim side and bought a size L. They look just like they did in the pics on their insta as they did on me. If you seriously pull on the straps they will pop out which is what ended up happening to me thanks to my niece. Luckily I knew someone who could sew. I got them back on extra tight so that's something to be weary of. I usually wear the ankle straps super tight to give off that baggy top half slim lower half like Adidas pants do. The pants themselves are kinda heavy for pants and even strapped up around the waist they'll sag a little if I have too much in my pockets. Other than that everything you said is on point
Got these pants at the beginning of 2021 in L size (1.80m ~65kg) and they fit great, not tight at all. While it might not be on best quality teachwear standards I still feel great going out with them and I got a lot more comments on them from people than before, even the cashier from a supermarket asked what kind of techwear pants are they lolo so yeah honestly they look really really aesthetically pleasing for me so I'm happy with them. Not long ago they also released the B.L.P-04 V2 which are the newer improved version, the material is now more of a polyester, and more flexible I'd say, maybe less breathable but they changed the straps and a bit of the details. I didn't expect them to be that bad compared to real brand techwear but again it just looks good 🦝
Glad they fit you well! They're attention-grabbing for sure so I'm not surprised they get noticed by the general public. I did see that new version - if the material is indeed an improvement that would make a different to how wearable these are for sure. Not sure if I like the new shiny straps though
@@ThisIsAntwon same, these shiny straps arent only worse from the look imo but they arent that stretchy and moveable so some functions look weird when i make the pants thinner on the bottom because they stretch out very noticeable for example.
well at least these new straps can't be damaged like urs are.
if I explained Acronym to someone without any photos and using exclusively buzzwords, I feel like this would be the final product.
If you want wearable, sturdy and functional cargopants...buy the latest Snickers or Blakleader construction workpants. available near you at any professions retailer.
I have 3 pairs from them and as much as I love the aesthetics of them, they do tend to just fall apart after some time. I’ve had 2 pairs have issues mainly the ankle tightening straps or the back pocket loops pop stitching and need sewing back on. I’m a tattoo artist so there’s not much movement from my end this is just wearing casually at work sitting down most of the day. But as someone who is more on the cyber punk look, I still like to wear them regardless because I mean, frick they look sweet lol. definitely want to put a warning out there that they can have malfunctions depending on how often you wear them.
I think I saw Corbin Bleu wear these in Disney's Jump In back in the day. Very stylish, very cool.
i have a pair, but you should review the Machine56 Bomber jacket
I'm an Indonesian. It's normal if you don't have unboxing video no return if there's a defect, no insurance in shipping (if it lost in shipping it's not seller's fault), and hard return policy. Hate it but it's the best policy seller's can do.
I've always wanted to see a review on the 121 pants from uniden
Love ur vids man. I would really like it if you made another video with like the complications of all those more budget brands you’ve talked about before. Take care and look forward to your next vid.
i have 4 of them and only had a problem with 1 that i fixed myself. I like them so far ^^
I wear Holy grail for more of a casual streetwear look rather than full on warcore or cyberpunk. like my combination for them is the stay cold apparel with Holy grail and air raid Jordan or during winter a combination with machine 56.
I'm from Indonesia and it's common thing to film yourself while opening the package it's actually sucks but it helps brand because there were some cases where customer lying to brand, anyway i followed ur tiktok nice vid fam
going down the techwear rabbit hole as a person from outside this holy grail stuff just feels like the final boss of mall ninjas
Oh that's totally what it is. I look at men's fashion on a scale of Normal to Nomura now.
Ngl I grew up in a family that has all been in the war from aircraft, medical or straight up war in Vietnam
To them now having a grandchild that has a warcore style 💀
I would take them and see if someone can make them in a more sturdier material and in an actual size that would fit comfortably.
It's because there's many customers who would fake their complaint to get extra goods
What do you recommend for people that likes this aesthetic but want quality hassle free products?
My inner ninja is quaking seeing these clothes 😤
If you are spending $200 why would you not opt for some Fjallraven Vidda Pro or Keb cargo pants? I really recommend them. Look very techwear in black and grey and are fully functional hard wearing pants made for actual use. You have a real item rather than cosplay. I say this of course as someone not into techwear who watches this channel for fun. I often end up wearing a techwear adjacent aethetic out of practicality for hiking and bushcraft.
Holy grail and machine 56 are just the final boss of aliexpress-Esc #techwear. When it comes to affordable techwear I've find nosucism and ninja Warning have been the best value of performance and quality.
I own a pair and they make my hips look wider which is pretty awesome :))
great video antwon, i was wondering if you could review emmiol. I know it’s not techwear and more streetwear but i’m genuinely wondering if it’s a scam since there isn’t much videos out there about it. ty 😁👍
2:33 was the part i enjoyed more, thanks.
Hah the hostage video, irl hoot of laughter :p
I'd love to see you do a bit on the MACHINE56 stuff, though getting ahold of some might be tough, their runs are extremely short and stuff sells out in zero time flat (Unless the M56 team send you a couple bits to review of course).
I have three of their jackets, two of the filled puffa types and one shell jacket, and honestly now I have them I don't think they will ever get worn and I'm considering the dreaded eBay Experience - they are absolutely needle-buried at the 'Cyber Cosplay' end of the fashion dial.
Very well made even so, I think you'd get a lot more everyday wear out of a M56 jacket than these HG pants, but only if you don't mind looking like an anime on your local high street.
(I'd offer to loan you a couple to review but I'm a lot heftier than you are and the M56 XL is indeed extra large; Ant all looking like a kid wearing dads coat)
This or the newer v2 version?
Hmmm I’ll stick to my standard issue fatigues lol
Where can i buy good looking and functional techwear? I need something i can wear during winter
You know what's really messed up? I only stumbled across this video AFTER I ordered and received a pair.
Yes. He is NOT joking about that chemical smell. They were immediately dumped into the washing machine which seemed to lessen the scent, but not completely remove it.
They definitely feel durable and look great. I haven't gone anywhere with them yet, so we'll say that they will hold up well if you're walking around in the house. (SideNote: the cat seems to like them as it came up to me while wearing them, but not afterward.)
All the pockets and pieces worked like they were supposed to so no complaints there.
All-in-all I'm happy with the purchase. Aside from the wait, I'd do it again.
Just gotta ask, how tall are you and how much do you weigh? Considering that which size did you order.
I am really confused about their sizing so I'd just like to know.
Thanks in advance 👍
@@JohnXina97 I'm a short guy (5'3 191lbs) and ordered the large. They fit a little longer than my legs, but I wanted that for the more baggy look. I hope that helps.
Your videos are so unique! I love it
Thanks!
I purchased a jacket and pants... Been over a week and still no notice it's been shipped...how long did you wait?
so were far away from function over form then nowadays right?
I bet the price tag might be more expensive in Tokyo
Donc techniquement, c'est un site fiable ? Beaucoup de critiques disent que ce n'est pas un bon site, et que c'est souvent une arnaque 🤔
yeah, I wouldn't be buying anything from Indonesia and expecting quality if it's a drop ship label
HG be like: Feel the burn no refunds 🙃 Please review the cargos from Fabric of the Universe brand 👍
You look great with smeared makeup... And now I'm cancelled
I have two pairs of these, and I really dig 'em. But hey, to each they own.🤷🏿♂️
i stay up at 1:15am in the Philippines, just so i can see ur vids. great video! keep up Le good work
yooo thanks so much for the support! I will do some more content suitable for warm weather soon :)
Aw no I have these please don't slate them 😂😂
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Hey Antifreeze, you ever might do an MXDVS review? 👀
nope he won’t because it’s way more trash than even the taobao trash he reviews
@@WhatDaFurk i personally have a pair of MXDVS cargos and in my personal opinion I think they are a welcome addition to my style. I respect your opinion tho
In Indonesia, no refunds is standard practice, because people would literally bring in knockoffs and claim at a store that sells the original item, or they would steal things and then return them asking for a refund. There many underhanded practices Indonesian consumers would do, but that’s one example. Definitely not cute, but that’s what you can expect in a 3rd world country. I can speak from first hand exp, because I was born and raised there for 19 years, before I busted out.
im gonna go on a limb here and (being indonesian) im gonna guess the reason why theyre not accepting returns is because itll be very VERY expensive for them. the cost of one of those pants is the same as the monthly min. wage of people in the capital. the shipping cost, is like 1/4 or even half of it.
but theyre selling these with USD price, to overseas costumers, making stuff in indonesia is very very veryyyyy cheap. so i dont think its because they dont have the funds to accept returns, i just think they dont want to lose that absurd huge amount of profit margin
also if theres even a thing as customer's right here i dont think anyone knows hahaha
now machine 56 !
5.11 Cargo supremacy lol
Is this a fashion thing? Because those straps are a major snag point for any real application...
Lol if a company says things are your fault during shipping/transportation then they are a terrible company. No argument against it
goofiest drip ive ever seen
i do like the look of them but with a price like this and the return policy, lol nope gfc
Yeah their returns conditions are trash and they do not provide enough information about sizing for tall people. If you're willing to shell out the price just for internet clout its probably not worth it. Plus everyone is starting to wear them now even people who know nothing about techwear. Its just expensive cosplay.
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My pair haven’t arrived yet…veen a month with no reply from the customer service team…
I had this problem when I first ordered I bought 5 pairs for 800$ and they take a super long time, purchasing from Indonesian retailers can be problematic but don’t worry they will arrive the problem is you will never know when when I first ordered I waited a whole year and eventually a few days after Xmas they arrived
@@rainyonrecord how delightful…I ordered mine back in November and it’s now the end of March so…I’m just worried they won’t ever turn up
@@svereign1844 yeah… best of luck bro hopefully you get a surprise package that contains them at some point, I’ve also had the same problem with other Indonesian brands other like machine56 as well :/
I have the same problem here, no feedback from customer support. I have now given the case to Paypal and requested the money back. My order is also over 1000$, which is not a small amount for a first order of a new brand.
I live in Hamburg and now in Berlin. Machine56 was always there within a week. DHL Express always works very well there.@@rainyonrecord
Is it a pain to wash them?
Whenever a brand has such a shit return policy I simply won't order out of principle. It basically tells you they don't have faith in their product and they expect a lot of returns, which is why they either don't allow it or make it as difficult as possible.
Im not inspired by the return policy either, but in the interest of fairness I do think they probably had to deal with a bunch of "influencers" buying these for 1 or 2 photos and then trying to return them. Wouldnt surprise me. And if thats the case then I think theyre probably justified in how they tried to crack down on it. Too bad it has a negative unintended result in completely tanking confidence in the brand.
not realy... tthe return policy in indonesia is deferent... many brand in indonesia do it like that because many people return it with fake of their brand or their produc damage to much just to have money back...
@@AbbiAbii yup true, back then most Indonesian abuse the old policy to get a refund until all store decided to change it and we have this new policy. I guess we already used to it
Depends on who they sell to.....alot of you in the west are living in failing societies with failing cultures and among other things return rates are absolutely exploding.
One of my old jobs used this theory and made returns difficult only for certain regions, and you could see the problem areas spreading fast. In the US it was spreading from the 3 coasts.
(and no that's not why I think society is failing, but watching those red zones spreading may or may not have finally convinced me. It is what it is.)
@@ChadDidNothingWrong "Failing societies with failing cultures"? Are you drunk or high on drugs? And "failing" compared to what? Indonesia? 😂 Dude, that's such a dumb and ignorant gerneralized statement...
These are the Morbius of cargo pants. Definitely one of the cargo pants ever made.
It's grailin' time
@@ThisIsAntwon this sounds epic
I'm not into techwear at all, but i love watching your videos because of how you review/talk about things :)
Thanks!
M56 & HOLYGRAIL are brands focused on the "aesthetic" more than actual "functionalities". I bought a few of them and I prefer to warn you guys, if you are a fast walker like me these pants make some awkward noises 😅 it might feel kinda cringey but who cares.
SWISH SWISH SWISH
I have a pair of corduroy pants that I like a lot so I know the feeling
If you want functionality get those ancient brown cargo pants aesthetic is the way to go
I am more compromised with cargo more than aesthetics, I totally prefer combat army pants
@@colbyboucher6391 I recently just bought a pair of M56 pants in gold/yellow and I am telling everyone now being quiet is not a thing they're LOUD when you walk and everyone knows you're coming lmfao
Being loud when you walk is a problem? Doesn't everyone make noise when they walk anyway? My acronym prestos make lots of noise when I walk... is that meaning that acronym and nike overall are not built from technicality? Not sure but...
As someone who has these pants and wears em pretty regularly here's my two cents on long term wear!
- The main centerpiece straps that go between the legs that nylon material within about 2-3 months of decent use will start having little singular strands fray and break and from that point on the straps wont be that solid rectangle but instead have slight edges of broken strap that can never be fixed and HOLY GRAIL does not sell those straps by themselves so once they break.... ur done.
- The straps by the ankle used to cinch and tighten are kinda poorly sewn into the leg which i can tell you all it takes is 1 little tug and they will rip out and youll only have 1 ankle able to be tightened, if you know how to sew or have a family member or a seamstress nearby they should be able to just reattach them but for pants that cost so damn much and are supposed to seem like they can take a beating they are surprisingly weak to any real wear.
- The velcro used for some of the pockets very quickly wear out, idk if this is just velcro as a whole or maybe the brand they use but it takes about 3 good open and closes for them to never seal back perfectly again.
- The material used is a bit rough, and definitely does not help with any kind of real breathability, if you are skinny a thankfulness is that itll probably be wide around you but if you fill out the pants and live in any kind of non-winter permanent climate you will sweat nonstop.... ik bc i live in Florida(and im one of the skinny fuckers too 6'3 and only 145 lbs).
- If you are a male and used to jeans or pants that have a zipper in the front, these lack them, and the way the pants are designed means that any kind of reason youd want to maybe not fully expose yourself and your ass but gain access to inside the pants, like idk trying to use a urinal, forget about it. These pants are so rigid and stiff you have to use a stall bc to get any kind of bananas out requires pulling the entirety of the waist section down.
(if i can think of any more ill edit this, and if anyone else has anything to add or questions feel free to reply)
damn i wanted to buy them for festival season but when even walking in them is bad, i can't imagine going in a moshpit with this
I'm still considering it since I'm a stubborn bastard 😂
I myself am 6'4 (tall gang) what size did you order?
@@onyx_vi i couldnt resist and bought them anyways. but i will only wear them in club etc. for festival i foud cheap ones on aliexpress. (they are a fake from the fabric of the universe ones, quality is okay even though its a fake)
To be honest, I do not understand the reasons behind warcore
I mean just buy a pair of es.motion and a climbing harness from Skylotec, this way you still got those straps and a pair of pretty good cargo pants, just got to make them loose enough
Also those straps will be really usable and you could trust your life on them...
And you will still look edgy while walking through the city with both of those
@@callingacejack1334 Fair enough!
I’ve had a pair of holy grails for about a year now the main problem I think of is the breathability is pretty bad for summer but since its mostly cold in canada It really don’t matter. Straps don’t get in the way as you walk if you size right But my malfunction was the loop that connects to the back pocket ripped out so it kinda just hangs till i sew it :/
Sorry to hear you had an issue with your pair as well - at least it's an easy fix I hope!
They're better in colder climates for sure (unfortunately it's pretty warm in the UK atm!). You do have to be a bit careful though as very poor breathability can mean if you start sweating the moisture gets trapped leaving you suddenly VERY cold! Fine if you're just walking around though obviously
U get them for airsoft?
@@striife4823 I definitely thought about it but I wouldn’t do it unless you wanna get snagged on everything and be hot af while running carrying all your gear
@@striife4823 Not really a good idea. Pants from airsoft brands or even military surplus will serve you way better, longer, and in most cases for cheaper.
@@crazymachinima1 Oh yeah, I know. I have some amazing crye replicas that I absolutely love, I just saw the krytac pfp the guy had.
I feel like the target group for these would be entirely satisfied with the much cheaper Taobao/dropshipped products. The quality, price, and especially their approach to customers is just nonsensical.
Definitely agree with you. They are way too overpriced for what they are.
4:34 sanest warcore enthusiast
lmao
When u so early that the holy grail is still searched for by templars
Non nobis, Domine, non nobis, sed Nomini tuo da gloriam
loooool 🏆
Can we get a short on what it's like to wash these? I've read some real horror stories about the care of these pants and ruining them in the wash. Though based on the velcro strap my hopes aren't very high lol
so I own a pair have for a few months now, how you wash them at least what I do is you remove the outside detachable buckles then flip the pants inside out, run it on light wash cold, and do not put them in the dryer, simply hang them up to fully air dry and you'll be fine.
I almost fucked up my washing machine and my pants because I didn't know my cargo pants with 10000 straps will turn into a killer machine itself. So please take off everything u can take off and turn ur pants from inside out. :)
washing really isnt that bad, it actually does have on the pants their idea washing settings, biggest annoyance is if you dont take off the straps or flip em inside out then you can hear the straps clank around. They say air dry them (i seriously would recommend that as well) but if you do use a dryer then the slamming clanking of the plastic straps will be louder than lawnmowers and you can really mess up the material if its too hot
crying ant is peak comedy, im serious
Truly an oscar-worthy performance
i have 3 different kinds of these pants from their site, im 5'9 and have a 38inch waist, i wear a size xl, if you have bigger hips then you'd need to get a bit larger because the waist doesn't stretch that much, i ddidn't really care about the length of the pants because i wear a pair of 14eye gripfast boots
i also have their H-G B.O.M.B-04/BLCK jacket, and found a B.PRK jacket on ebay not to long ago, i also have 2 jackets from machine56, the MS-BOMBER D3_B1 and MS/B-TYPE_V3-BK
i mean sure in the summer it's going to kinda get hot but even wearing shorts and a tshirt it can still be hot, but i was also wearing all these pants and jackets in the winter and it kept me warm (im from manitoba canada, manitoba can be +30-40C in summer, and -30-40C in winter)
i've had people say they liked them, one of the people had some "techwear" pants from some site i can't remember (probably a dropshipper), said they were a xxxl, and just by looking at the person wearing them, id never fit in them
the only down side to them is that you have to hand wash them (not all the time if you wipe your ass properly)
and yes their are people who wear this stuff out in public, not just for some photoshoots
Holygrail or Holyfail, I will leave that in the middle but I'm sure their marketing team is bigger then the people that work for customer service. @This Is Antwon: can we expect more video's about Holygrail products? As I'm very curious to their jackets... Would love to hear from you.
Hello, Indonesian here
The practice of " you need to record stuff to complaint " is surprisingly really common here. My guess as to why tho are shaky as heck, but here's my guess
The first one is the stuff here are mad cheap, refunding or returning an item is and usually is more expensive than the product itself
The second one is false refund, where the company is starting up, has a little amount of money and cannot afford to offer refund unless really necessary
The third one is even the big companies ( even from western brand ) doesn't offer refund here, if you bought an item, you cannot refund it, only warranties are given
Hope these helps i guess (??)
Um, actually... Some of the online marketplaces here do have free shipping for returns... agreed with the second point though, sometimes people here can be a jerk lol... For the third, I haven't bought anything from the west so i'm going no comment on it
I legitimately wear these all the time, and I really like the feel of the ripstop fabric
One ankle strap did pull away from the fabric tho
I looked at the price of one of those type pants one day, read the "NO REFUNDS no matter what" and all I could think was that it'd probably be cheaper to buy a machine, learn to sew, buy the material and make the bloody pants myself.
LMAO
If people would actually do that instead buy fast fashion for one time outfits the world would be a better place
lol I actually do this, taking inspirations from the brand,bought a pair of cargo pants, few metres of straps, bunch of buckles, put them together and I have my own "holy grail" techpants. Very comfortable because I'm gonna be the only one that's wearing it
The unboxing video is prevalent in Southeast Asia because there’s a lot of scammer customers abusing the return systems here. Just a bit of perspective!
I liked the general aesthetic for the pants however the policies for returning the items are god awful, and it seems though you're just forced to deal with a terrible purchase if the size is wrong, also Holy Grail seems like one shady ass company you would find on IG ads , which is how I found their clothing, through an IG ad.
I found your channel a year ago and I have to say it’s greatly helped me evolve my style and perspective on fashion. I used to buy from the drop shippers you discussed in older videos and your channel helped me become more aware of the shady practices of “techwear” retailers. Your videos have really helped me appreciate performance clothing and made me want to dip my foot into “true techwear” and not these fast fashion, edgy retailers. While I do enjoy the overly edgy straps and aesthetics of something like holy grail, I can now differentiate high quality over something of low quality like techwear club. I guess what I’m trying to say is, thank you for providing content that can help new people wanting to dip their toes into this subculture like me, and thank you for helping me find the balance in my style I needed 🙏
Thanks so much! Great to hear you've found the videos useful - that's why I do this stuff 🙏
Same here, but I've found his channel in 2018
Welcome to the club!
What's stopping me from wearing a rock climbing harness over some enfin leve ameztus?
Filming while you’re opening the item is actually a very common practice in south east Asia, as a means to deter fraudulent claim. Southeast Asia business have a much much lower profit margin and thus seller cannot tolerate a much more relaxed return-policy as in the “west” . So there’s nothing really strange about that.
coming from the manufacturer's country, I can attest to that video unboxing thing although I must say it's really weird that they make it really difficult to return and refund as they don't seem to be working on a lower profit margin (only an assumption from the price point of their stuffs). I got cheaper local tactical boot manufacturer which I could confirm working on a tighter margin with better return policy than this brand
Could you do a video about Fabric of the Universe?
Also a brand thats seen often on Instagram and I defenetly think it be interesting to know how good they actually are 🤔
Your perspective on cloth reviewing is so good and fun to watch
this type of style is dumb. i mean, i guess when you live in war torn states like new york and california they'll come in handy
as someone whos used a lot of climbing gear, i can never see myself using a climbing harness for fashion.
one of the cargo pants of all time
Seeing influencers holding pretend guns and acting like a special forces operator just hurts
Seems not very tactical to me. You are gonna get caught on to something. Might be just me lol
*Looks like something that's worn in the game Death Stranding...*
Oh boy , ive been waiting for this! I was always curious about this brand!
ah yes. I too want to cosplay war, soldiers, etc.
Wow I always wanted to look like an First person shooter npc
I’ve ordered many jackets from Machine 56 (same creator owns H.G.) and have never been disappointed. Absolutely incredible brand.
Where did you hear that they are owned by the same creator?
man I'm Indonesian, I can tell you that it's common here, returning goods is very complicated, convoluted and tiring
I agree, but HG's policy is also understandable in Indonesia's customer culture. I ran an online fashion business, and you'd be shocked at how much of our items are lost at transfer, fraudulent customers asking for returns due to damages that are non existent before shipping (we even took vids of our stuff before shipping to prevent these kinds of complaints), customers saying they don't receive their order while the courier certainly have sent them - all sorts of things that sadly, as an online business we always have to give returns and stuff just so they won't give a bad review even though we are not at fault, which really hurt the company's bottomline as a small business. So yeah, I do think both the customers and businesses in Indonesia are at fault, too much fraudulent practices from both sides and less logistics care handling for any kind of normal return policies to be adopted here. And for some time, national customer protection policy was there, though it was taken down again due to reasons I stated above.
nothing beats reindee lusion, these looks over designed
chinese pants are too small for my 70cm thighs
The real question is: Has anyone figured out how to outsource those pants without paying the massive price?
I really like the design but all of the things you brought up make me hesitant to buy them.
I'm not going to spend $200 on something that I can only use to take pictures in...
If I'm paying anything more than $70 they need to be wearable for at least 10 years. Because I have some old Levi's that I got while I was in high school that are still usable to this day.
I've owned a pair of Holy Grail for about 3 years now, tbh I think they're pretty comfy and if you're going for that look are "Aesthetically pleasing" but I do wish that they wouldn't cost like 200€
For the record if you used credit card you can just chargeback. Their return policy is a violation of the mastercard/visa policies, and those reign supreme (but don't expect to order anything from them again after lol)
Make sure you buy a few things then 😂😂
When are you going to do fabric of the universe?
I'd be interested in doing some kind of 'cyberpunk clothing' video at which point I'd definitely feature them
The unboxing part was genius! hahaha awesome review for this cargo.
Hey Ant will you ever do a video in which you create outfits buying only second hand clothes ?
Would be cool a cool challenge video to see if he could make a "techwear looking" fit using only thrifted/second hand pieces.
I have some ideas for more content based around second hand stuff - later this year for sure!