What are Giants in the Bible? Interview with Douglas Van Dorn on 'Giants: Sons of the Gods'
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- Have you ever wondered where Goliath came from? Or why the story of David and Goliath is in the Bible beyond just being a moral lesson? What if the giants mentioned in Genesis 6, the Nephilim, held deeper, more unsettling truths? Join us as we explore these questions with Douglas Van Dorn, the author of "Giants: Sons of the Gods."
We'll discuss:
-The origins and significance of giants in the Bible: Why are they mentioned, and what is their importance in biblical history?
-The mysterious Nephilim: What does Genesis 6 reveal about these supernatural beings?
-Goliath and his brothers: Did you know Goliath had siblings, including one with 24 fingers and toes? What is their ancestry, and why does it matter?
-The resurgence of interest among Bible-believing scholars: Why is the ancient view of the Nephilim making a comeback, and what does it mean for our understanding of Scripture?
-The invisible, supernatural storyline: How does understanding the giants and the Nephilim change our perspective on the ministry and work of Jesus Christ?
Douglas Van Dorn (M.Div. Denver Seminary) @GiantStepsPodcast is the author or editor of over a dozen books including Giants: Sons of the Gods; The Unseen Realm Q & A Companion; The Angel of the LORD: A Biblical, Historical, and Theological Study; Christ in the Old Testament: Promised, Patterned, and Present; Conspiracy Theory: A Christian Evaluation of a Taboo Subject; Five Solas of the Reformation; and Waters of Creation: A Biblical Theology of Baptism. Doug has pastored the Reformed Baptist Church of Northern Colorado since 2002. He helped start the Reformed Baptist Network and has served on boards of two associations of churches. He has co-hosted the radio show Journey’s End in 2011-12; the Peeranormal Podcast with Dr. Michael Heiser (2016-21), the Iron and Myth Podcast (current), and has been a guest on numerous shows.
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Brilliant episode… you must do a part 2…. This subject goes deep through scripture
You guys should invite guys like Garry Wayne and L. A. Marzulli onto the show.
I guess, since Van Dorn, Wayne, and Marzulli all teach un-biblical Nephilology.
Gotta have him on again asap. Especially missed the eschatological piece to this giant puzzle.
this gives Creedence to some of the Egyptian gods that were depicted as human and animal hybrids.
Great discussion, gentlemen! Looking forward to more with DVD! 👑✝️🔥💜
Great interview. Please have him on again soon
I find it hard to believe that this “is the first time hearing of this” for you guys...
I’ve heard so many stories of these things being covered up, real time.
Our history has been skewed,.
It may not matter, in light of eternity, but it does help to peel back layers of mind-numbing programming that keeps us locked in the matrix paradigm, where the shadows lie between Christ and His imitator.
If we continue in the WORD, then we will know the Truth that makes us free.
Van Dorn's book on Giants is great reading - he goes into more detail about giants all over the world - including North America
So he sold you a book with a theory based on one verse in the Bible, which also states that these men of renown were men. He has simply written a book, other than the Bible, and sold you on his make-believe theory. As long as you realize that his book is neither factual or biblical.
@@Dan-lw7bx how do you explain goliath ? He was very tall, more than any man today and as you must know, anormaly tall person are hadicaped so can't be great soldier or heroe.
@@Dan-lw7bxWhat do you do with all of the giant texts in the Bible? As well as the OT and NT texts that allude to outside sources that point to this as well? If you think that it is based on one verse in the Bible, I would strongly recommend looking into this further than saying something so ignorant. It’s not wise to do this on the internet, where our actions matter do matter before God.
Search online for "My review of Zachary Garris’ review of Douglas Van Dorn’s book 'Giants Sons of the Gods'” and "Review of Paul 'Dr. Reluctant' Henebury’s review of Douglas Van Dorn’s book 'Giants: Sons of the Gods.'”
@@sawette23 The Masoretic text has him at just shy of 10 ft. Yet, the earlier LXX and the earlier Dead Sea Scrolls and the earlier Flavius Josephus all have him at just shy of 7 ft.--compared to the average Israelite male who was 5.0-5.3 ft. in those days.
I've always been a Nephilim are hybrids guy.
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Mordecai is Esther's cousin NOT her uncle as Douglas asserted.
This topic only became clearer to me over the last few years because of the work by Dr. Heiser, The Bible Project and Mr. Van Dorn, but I do have one question. If different nations and regions of the earth are controlled or managed by Spiritual Beings and some or many of them rebelled against God, then why would they fight each other? I'm thinking of Daniel speaking of the Princes of Persia and Grecia or of any nation conquering another. I'm referencing Matthew 12:24 to 29 a kingdom divided against itself.
For Dorn, search online for "My review of Zachary Garris’ review of Douglas Van Dorn’s book 'Giants Sons of the Gods'” and "Review of Paul 'Dr. Reluctant' Henebury’s review of Douglas Van Dorn’s book 'Giants: Sons of the Gods.'”
For Heiser, search for "Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy" and "Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s 'All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal.'"
@47:51 the question posed blows my mind that teachers of the Bible dont have this basic information.
ALL I CAN SAY IS AMEN!! I DONT even know you Doug but you follow heifers buildup and go way further. Amazing!!! Love looking up threads throughout the Bible .
Interesting discussion between RR and Van Dorn, but it mostly reaffirmed my concerns over Heiser and others who (IMO) go too far in trying to see what God has not revealed. The fact that a detailed knowledge of extra-biblical Jewish traditions on occult mysticism are used to get some of these views, often relying on just one or a few difficult verses for textual support, suggest that maybe we were not intended to know quite as much as we might be tempted to find. The pushback which RR barely offered, is why we should assume literality in demonic descriptors when it appears Scripture does not intend exact literality in much other language describing both the spirit realm specifically, and all life beyond this life generally. In other words, these images may indeed be simplified figures designed by God for our benefit as earth-bound creatures, and not intended as a goblin encyclopedia.
Great show confirmations!
Love the giants topic, would like to hear more from Doug about it.
There is this orthodox podcast called Lord of spirits, with fathers Andrew Damick and Stephen De Yong that goes in detail into who the giants are. They are not so far from Doug’s view, but they explain the ritualistic part of the creating giants witch I think gives a very good understanding of Ogs bed, temple prostitutes and birthing giants.
Blessings, love the show! 😊
Search online for "My review of Zachary Garris’ review of Douglas Van Dorn’s book 'Giants Sons of the Gods'” and "Review of Paul 'Dr. Reluctant' Henebury’s review of Douglas Van Dorn’s book 'Giants: Sons of the Gods.'”
I think the "again afterward" is quite possibly reflected at Sodom and Gomorrah. Peter and Jude both seem to pair these events -- the references to Enoch/angels locked in chains of darkness, and Sodom and Gomorrah. And, notably, Peter describes the residents of Sodom as going after *strange* flesh. "Hetero" flesh.
Interesting on the note about Rahab. Perhaps this is another example of why the virgin birth? Since Raham lead to Joseph, not Mary. Just spit ballin here
Rehab and her family might have been the only ones in town that were not carriers of Nephilim genetics. But only God knew that.
Everybody else has to go, you get to live.
Not only that but become part of the lineage to Messiah.
Others, like Esau, and Judah's wife and sons , had to go as well.
I've always wondered what the NT church letters meant when it referenced the sin of uncleanness that we are to abstain from it. Would it have anything to do with this topic I wonder 🤔
Could be! When Paul tells the women at Corinthians to cover their hair “because of the angels” he is talking about being modest (the hair was considered a sexual organ in antiquity) so that the women will not draw the attention of evil spiritual beings.
I'm surprised he didn't come up with another pretty popular theory, that as they start to mention about half breed animals/human creatures. A popular theory is that the nephilem seed may have survived through a marine like nephilem, as well that survive the flood because they can swim in the water
That's just folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah and which implies that God failed, must have missed that loophole, and so the flood was much of a waste.
Nephilim seed making it through the flood does not mean God
' failed ' , He likes to keep
' remnants ' .
While the entire world was taken over by the evil seed and the flood stopped it cold, God kept a small remnant alive to use for the purposes of occupying the promised land and testing, judging and punishing of Israel.
No, God did not ' fail '.
@@michaelszczys8316 I'm unsure why some people MUST have post-flood Nephilim, especially at the cost of discrediting themselves and God.
"Nephilim seed making it through the flood" contradicts the Bible five times (Genesis 7:7, 23; Hebrews 11:7; 1 Peter 3:20; and 2 Peter 2:5) does that matter to you?
"He likes to keep" of his loyal servants.
Now, how could it possibly be that "the flood stopped it cold" when you're the one who told an un-biblical story about "Nephilim seed making it through the flood" and actually continued that very sentence with "God kept a small remnant" so no, didn't stop it cold at all: kept it going and the flood was much of a waste.
There's literally zero reliable indication of "occupying the promised land and testing, judging and punishing of Israel" whence are you getting these tall-tales?
Indeed, "No, God did not ' fail '" but the god in your story did.
@@user-oq9hn7qk4j Nephilim DNA, the seed of the evil Nephilim offspring of the Genesis 6 angels and women, being carried by one or even all of the wives does NOT contradict any of those verses in the Bible.
They state over and over how no other living people except for Noah and his family made it through the waters of the flood alive, which is quite true.
No other living humans or part human people were still alive on planet earth except for the eight human survivors on the ark.
The Nephilim seed had pretty much infiltrated the entire human population except for Noah and his children and it was inevitable that before much longer it would have been impossible for there to be any people with clean enough bloodline for the Messiah to be born.
Where I stated that the flood
' stopped it cold ' I did not mean it stopped the Nephilim line cold but rather it stopped the ' inevitability ' of it completely taking over.
The flood changed the situation from
99.9999% people with hybrid genetic contamination and 0.0001% genetically pure people, to something like 62.5% of genetically pure people versus 37.5% of people with questionable genetic purity.
You say it's contradictory to the Bible for there to be Nephilim giants after the flood but I find it fits quite well with scripture and it would also be a lot more contradictory to NOT have them.
The Bible would have to be wrong in many places or the Israelites would have to be horribly afraid of groups of people that were only a few inches taller and bigger than they.
In the story of David and Goliath the Israeli army would have been terrified to go to combat with someone not much bigger than Hulk Hogan or Shaquille ONeil or even someone tall yet weak and flimsy as Robert Wadlow.
Sure, there are a lot of feasible explanations to many Bible scenarios that do not need the Nephilim seed or the giants themselves to explain well, but most are best fitting if the ' seed of the serpent ' from Genesis 3:15 is acknowledged the entire way even up to the present.
The guy in the video said that the sons of Israel didn't exist in Deuteronomy 32. Who was it that God delivered out of bondage in Egypt? He delivered the sons and daughters of Israel.
Exodus chapter 1 shows us that Israel was fruitful and multiplied and that the land of Egypt was filled with the sons and daughters of Israel.
So how can anyone say that the sons of Israel did not exist when reading Deuteronomy 32?
Because Deuteronomy 32 is pointing back to the tower of babel where God divided the nations. Israel did not exist back then. Not even Abraham was around yet.
@@Strongtower If you go back and read, Deuteronomy 32 it is talking about the nation of Israel, God chose Israel and made them the apple of his eye. Also how He led them out of captivity but also how Israel rebelled against God and how God turned his back to them.
Please read the whole chapter and you can see that this is talking about Israel and what has transpired with them. It does mention when The Most High divided the nations but in mentioning the dividing of the nations the chapter goes on to tell us after dividing the nations He chose Israel out of all the other nations and then continues to speak about the timeline of Israel.
We must properly divide the word. Peace
Make sure you are reading the correct version there. There is a textual variant in that verse. The older fragments of the Dead Sea scrolls have the correct version but some versions do not reflect this. I know the ESV does.
I thought this was a Princess Bride review. In any case, sleep well and dream of large women…😂😂😂
You just really wanted to say that line 😅 Classic
This is a frustrating question for the Bible scholar, because God gives several hints, but no definitive answer as to what 'the sons of God' were. We are left speculating that it was a kind of angel. But it's never confirmed, which kind exactly.
Ok but it’s got to be something out of the norm because people don’t produce giants. And Jude amping other scriptures tell about angels leaving their homes and getting locked up in chains for their wicked crimes 🤷🏼♀️
@@ashleymckenzie6228they were part of Gods divine council. Read psalm 82, God judges the divine council and then tells them they will die like men. Psalm 82 is an inside look of what happened pre flood
The Pharisees and Sadducees knew exactly what it meant. So how did they know something we don't? Some say cultural language, some say 1Enoch (which was Jewish Cannon when Jesus was on earth). Idk, but I'm curious.
I really hope y’all are not making fun. Go visit the Smithsonian museum and ask to see the giant bones. They will only show you a couple of the millions they have. It contradicts their evolution theory that we are getting smarter and stronger
To add to when the giant DNA came into humanity after the flood, if you take a look at the ancient Sumerian stones, it shows the king who built the tower (of babel) to be a giant, I believe this being is also Nimrod. So this happened before the sons of God were put over the nations.
I would imagine that by "giant" you mean "Nephilim" so that it's literally impossible to have their DNA after the flood since God didn't fail, He didn't miss a loophole, and the flood wasn't much of a waste. That's also why there's zero indication Nimrod was a Nephil. We also have zero reliable indication that Nephilim were "giants"--now switching to a usage referring to something vague about subjectively unusual height.
Mountain. Gog means 'mountain'. Magog means 'what mountain?'. The battle of Gog and Magog is a 'spiritual' battle - not 'physical'.
Well, that'll be your little secret.
What do you think about Brandon Biggs from Last Days Ministries? He predicted the trump assassination attempt exactly how it happened, but his other videos seem extreme. Would love to hear your thoughts.
Orthodoxy makes sense of it all. ☦️🔥
Yes!
Don’t feel bad Josh… my name is Ashley and my last name is very common also so there are 100 of me 🤦♀️😆
Giants of Kandahar?
The Kandahar giant tall-tale is just an internet hoax based on some anonymous guys making vague claims about generic regions and sold to us by two guys whom make a living by selling un-biblical tall-tales to Christians: LA Marzulli and the plagiarist Stephen/Steve Quayle.
I live on a high bank overlooking the Ohio River. I think I might go out in my back yard and start digging for bones.
I’m trying not to be frustrated. The use of the word sons of ‘adam’ does not necessarily refer to the individual Adam - THROUGHOUT the Old Testament this is a term used for ‘humankind’ and this early in Genesis it’s a generic term 1:26 for the species as well as the specific term for the man. Cain’s descendants can easily be described as sons of adam - because they literally in both general and specific terms are. Secondly - Luke’s New Testament genealogy - specifically mentions the man Adam as a son of God. The New Testament book of Romans and Luke take on a NATURALISTIC term of sons of God as being human beings. Third point : you’re assuming that Adam and his descendants weren’t ‘supernatural’ . They must have been more so than we are today - having been in the presence of YHWH - with all the spiritual proximity and the fruit of the tree of life. It was actually only Seth’s descendants Enosh - who took on ‘weakness’ perhaps more to the form of where we might be today. LAST POINT : the Sethite view is a better hermeneutic than using the book of Enoch - to interpret Nephilim - ultimately- this is where I become skeptical and nervous of jumping into the watchers. Jesus seems to not have been obsessed with giants - instead - he exposed demons. When scholars become influenced by a Marvel and science fiction distraction- I get nervous about their need to bring in the book of Enoch. Jesus was ‘adamant’ 😉 in being known as the ‘Son of Man’. And boy oh boy - was He Not just THE most supernatural that we have seen in human flesh. 🌸 love the program by the way 👏🏼
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Angels are spirit beings. They are composed of a different substance not flesh and blood. They do not have DNA necessary to pass on to a woman to make her pregnant. The only way an angel could cause a flesh and blood woman to become pregnant would be to possess a man and use his body to impregnate the woman. Nowhere in scripture does it say that God gave angels the ability to procreate. Giants could be the result of selective breeding just like we have selectively bread, dogs that vary in size from a Chihuahua to a great Dane. Fallen angels possessing humans could accomplish a similar result.
HIDE YO KIDS .... HIDE YO WIFE
I hope Neanderthals aren't Nephilim descendants, cuz according to 23 & Me, I have Neanderthal DNA 😯
Heiser didn’t take that position!!!
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-search online for these articles for examples:
Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy
Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal”
With all the bad stuff God did in the Old Testament, is it possible that the God of the Old Testament is actually Satan, and the Sons of God in the New Testament are amongst others, Jesus and Satan?
Nothing God did or does is “bad”. His anger is always justified and righteous.
The 'woman' - the 'Eve' - is inside of each of us. She represents our 'choice' of fruit to bare... either good or evil.
Sons... 'good'. Daughters... more 'seeds'. Evil is simply 'good' that is not good 'yet'.
Each person is a 'nation'. Inside each person is a son of man, whom if led by the spirit, is then a 'Son of God'. The sin of man is always referred to in the 3rd person, thus the son of man is a 'thing', a 'door' or a 'gate' that is opened in order to begin a relationship with the Lord.
See Ezekiel 2 for an example of the 'process'.
Globe in the background, supporting evolution 🤪
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Yikes. How does someone like you ever grow? Do you sit in echochambers?
This giant theory is not biblical. Sons of God is used several times in Scripture. In Matthew 5 Jesus calls the peace makers sons of God. "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you that you may be sons of your Father in heaven." Matthew 5:44-45 And Jesus said that the angels are not like mankind, that they do not marry or have sex. So why don't people believe what Jesus said? Why is the man so anxious to call sons of God angelic? Remember the Israelites were told by the spies that the people in Canaan were giants? Stop trying to make the Word of God like a comic book.
I can tell you haven’t studied this topic. Study and then comment, don’t comment out of ignorance!!
This comment is not biblical lol
Take a closer look at what you're believing about Angels.., both God's and the Fallen One's and they're ability to procreate.
Remember, they came in human flesh to visit Lot. That's why the homosexual rapist wanted them.
They also, could eat human food. 🤷🏽♂️
You think they couldn't have sex here on earth while in human form?
Not in Heaven in their spirit bodies, but on earth, in earth suits like the ones we wear and utilize daily.
I used to think the sons of God were angels, but I agree with you, they are not. I believe they are actually talking about a genetically perfect human (like Adam). One of the genealogies in the gospels calls Adam, a son of God and in Hebrews, the author talks about God not calling angels his son. In Genesis, it also talks about Seth looking different to Cain, so I take that to mean Cain was a son of God too.
@@billyjacc why then is the flood judgement pronounced on men if it was angels doing the sinning?