I am a fairly new christian and I just wanted to thank you also for the way you go in depth and explain what's goin on in the text without adding to it, your time spent going deep to research is bearing fruit bless you . Praise the LORD always
Guys can we just each donate like $1 a month to this guy. Mike, glory to God, you've been truly blessed with the gift of teaching. If even a portion of the 56k subscribers donate just a lil bit it would help equip his ministry so much.
The courage of the apostles, selflessly giving up their lives for Christ does not stem from some physical resurrection. Back in 1844 when a new movement named the Bábi movement started by the claims of Siyyid Ali Muhammad, titled the Báb which means “The Gate” in Arabic, thousands of the Bábis were given the chance to recant their faith or else die by the worst deaths known to humankind, yet the followers of the Báb chose death over recanting their faiths. The Báb was executed by being suspended by a rope and 750 riflemen were ordered by the Shah and his prime minister and religious leaders of the time (in the 19th century) to fire their rifles at the suspended bodies of the Báb and one of his young followers who was tied by ropes on his chest. After that unsightly scene, their bodies were thrown right outside of the city moat and soldiers were placed there in order to prevent their bodies to be stolen by the Báb’s disciples and make sure the wild animals consume the remains of the bodies. But the bodies were still managed to be stolen by his disciples and were secretly transferred to a silk factory, and for 65 years it was secretly moved from place to place and finally it reached to Mount Carmel, Haifa, Israel and ceremoniously they were put to rest. My point is, there was no need for a resurrection for the Cause of the Báb to take roots and grow rapidly, and having his followers willingly lay their lives for the love and the truth of the Cause of the Báb. During the time of the Lord Jesus the Christ, all the 12 disciples had ran away in fear of being killed, but in the case of the Báb, NOT 12, but thousands upon thousands of his followers were openly willing to die the most gruesome deaths known to man for the Cause of the Báb, and in fact, they did. So, it is not the literal physical resurrection that can empower the hearts of the followers to courageously give up their lives willingly, but the power of the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that reinforces and completely transforms the followers of the founders of world religions. History of the Báb and Bahá’u’lláh (the Baha’i Faith) are the irrefutable proofs of that! The Apostles of Christ were also helped and reinforced by the Holy Spirit in mysterious ways which also involved the appearances of Jesus Christ whenever necessary. These appearances do not have to be physical at all!
I hope you read this. I'm from lebanon and I love the work you're doing, you are leading people to salvation, there will be people in heaven that your work helped them get there. God bless you.
Definitely watch this video, but watch the response video from Paulogia, too: th-cam.com/video/ecGCVgyxs4o/w-d-xo.html Unless, of course, you don't actually care about the truth, but only want to pretend that there's evidence backing up this claim.
Hey mike! My uncle recommended your videos and you have helped my wife and i out immensely with your biblical based discussion of many issues and we are so grateful for your speaking God's Truth! We have been going to a church in town recently that is part of the Vineyard group, and we have not been able to find much unbiased biblical based examinations of what they believe and how they operate. We have some concerns but the people in our local church seem to have a really strong relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ, and they have been a huge help to us spiritually and to others. I was wondering if you had any info on them, or if maybe you could do a video about them. Again, thank you so much for all that you do and God bless you!
I love your insight, Pastor Mike, bringing up things I did not know nor had not thought of before. Thru Christ, your messages are such a blessing. Thank you, my brother!
I just love you so much brother, thank you so much for the work and time you put into these lessons. I pray that someone benefits from watching this and they come to Jesus our Saviour. As a Christian I am blessed so much by your teaching and pass on what I have learned to my fellow brothers and sisters. May God bless you and help you continue in this ministry 🙏🙏🙏
Brother . Your work is awesome and helping us a lot.. not lot of people do this kind of work..your effort is clearly understandable. I am currently jobless..but as soon as I get a job I will start helping you the best I could.. God bless you, your family and your ministry
Hi Pastor Mike, can you please pray for me? I’ve been having really bad headaches that start at the base of my skull and go up to the curve of my skull. The last time this happened, I had a seizure. I have a shunt due to my hydrocephalus and it broke. I think I’ve shared my health issues and testimony with you before. If not, tell me and I’ll type it out in a comment. I’d love to share with the viewers that haven’t heard it.
Prayer is a harmful activity to do. It gives the person doing such ridiculous rituals a false sense of contributing - when they are actually doing nothing at all but wasting time. Time that could be better used to do something actually productive about the situation that that person is praying for. The saying "two hands in action do more than a billion clasped in prayer" remains true.
Nate Rivera By the Spirit given unto us in the truth of Christ Jesus, of the Father, all in all God the Most High, I ask of you oh LORD to find a means of healing, ease of pain and find of cause for a solution to our brother Nate’s health issues. We Pray you weave the wisdom needed into the doctors that are examining him, and fill them with integrity to do what is right by our brother, for him & his loved ones. We ask in humbleness, and of no demand, unto you oh LORD. Amen.
If the apostles believed in the teachings of Jesus and in the coming of the Kingdom of Heaven. Then why would they be afraid of escaping this evil of tears, and bring raised to be back at the feet of Jesus in paradise? What is there to fear if they TRULY believed in there teacher?
What? Paul literally said he wants to die and go back to Jesus but stays alive just for our sake. Why wouldn't anyone be afraid of dying in any case? It could be extremely painful and scary even if you trust in God. I dont understand this argument at all...
@@DavidJohnAr A moment of pain for the permanence of Heaven. But we also have to think about the horrific humans that spread the word of Jesus. I presume you would say that anyone who hasn’t heard the gospel, is innocent and therefore goes to heaven? Therefore, telling someone about Jesus, casts the chance they may doubt. This brings them the chance of hell. If they had never been told about Jesus, life after death would be perfect. Christian preachers are the worst humans on Earth, if you believe in Yahweh
Hey Mike, what about a video to check out your bookshelf and see what books you love and ones that have impacted your study of the faith or just for fun.
Mike, I have really needed to hear this coherent Sharing of what is really going on in the Bible. I get so confused by there being so many translations that I find it really hard to commit to reading any of them. The one I have read most with the most essence of reality of what I was reading is the Complete Jewish Bible. The next one after that is The Berean Study Bible, via Bible apps. The CJB tho I began reading from the Beginning and got farther than I ever did with any NIV KJV or shall I say similar versions. It seems that I felt fire burning inside my spirit like never before when reading the CJB. Anyhow, Thank You For All Of Your Commitment To Studying And Sharing With Us To Help Us See Clearly What God Is Actually Saying To Us And Helping Us Realize The Realities Of The Bible 🔥❤️🔥
Grant Sherrill his response was awful. He ignores the Pauline letters that illustrate Christian suffering and also has silly standards from the Get go. He says that the sources must say said disciple must be killed. Which is what it says about Peter. His response well it doesn’t say word for word “Peter will be martyred” they use poetic language and therefore you have to interpret what they say therefore it doesn’t say what it says.
@@joshuavandernoord6912 you just admitted it had to be interrupted… which was Paulogia’s point. Mike presented all of this “evidence” as fact and never once mentioned it relied upon interpretation. And how do we Demonstrate which interpretation is correct?
Soooo in summary Mike provides zero first hand accounts outside of Paul any of these Top 3 saw the risen Jesus. (Paul's was a vision) Zero first hand evidence any of these guys were directly persecuted for their belief of a resurrected Jesus. So what we have left is Mike seeing and reading into the evidence what he wants to see, not what it actually says.
@@randallwilliams5557 Unlike the work of nearly all of his contemporaries, Plato's entire body of work is believed to have survived intact for over 2,400 years. And no originals of the bible exist. And it doesn't matter about plato. It doesn't matter who wrote the things attributed to plato. It only matters what he wrote. The ideas.
@@joshuavandernoord6912 josephus or tacitus never met jesus and weren't even born when he supposedly died. So they can't be contemporary historical records. They are merely hearsay and record what Christians at the time believed about many christ characters at the time. Plus many entries of Josephus's works were forged by Christians at a later date. All Winger has to support his claims are "For the bible tells me so".
Shalom Brother Can you make a Video about Preterism and the Arguments of preterists? I started to believe in this form of believing because it have the best bible foundeted teaching One of the best Scholars is Don K Preston God bless you
Hi Kosove, I did a debate on the topic once. Here it is. Other than this I haven’t taught on it in details but I do hope this helps. th-cam.com/video/8KhVI2gD22w/w-d-xo.html
The Romans required that people venerated the emperor as a god. It was seen as an act of patriotism. The Christians wouldn't do that because they thought it was idolatry. So they were seen as unpatriotic and subversive. They really weren't unpatriotic and subversive, but the Romans thought they were. The Romans just couldn't understand the whole principle of monotheism. There are many gods, why not just add the emperor as another god. What could be bad about that? That's how the Romans were thinking.
@@paradisecityX0 Apparently the Platonists and Stoics did not see a problem in venerating the emperor as a god. Or else they too would have been persecuted. I think that was because their god was more of a pantheistic god and not a personal god like that of the Christians and Jews.
@@paradisecityX0 it wasn't sincerely done, but it certainly was done. No one actually believed the ceasars were gods, at least not the way we think if gods now, but that's not the point. It was a powerful political tool. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_cult_of_ancient_Rome It developed over time.
It’s one thing to suffer and die as a martyr for your faith in what someone else told you. However, the Disciple suffered and died because they Wouldn’t deny what they had SEEN. Big difference.
Even if I took the bible at its word, I still haven't seen evidence of this. Where does it say that they even had the chance of recanting, that they didn't, and that they were killed because of that?
We don't know when where and how Peter and Paul died. So how can you say, they died because of their beliefs? If they were killed by Nero, they were chosen not because of their beliefs, but because of being a minority without mighty supporters.
Really? Can you cite the evidence where any of the disciples were killed for what they claimed to have seen? Further, is there any evidence they were given a chance to recant?
"You can't approach history with a SpongeBob mentality" ... I want to put that on a shirt!! Hypothetically, if someone trying to teach me something and I didn't believe them - and they called me SpongeBob over my response I would want to then learn every last piece of evidence they've got. I hope someone appreciates the playful comment and truly considers really examining this 🙏
There is zero contemporary evidence for a historical Noah. Nor is there any contemporary historical evidence for any of the extraordinary claims made in the Genesis tale. Like it or not, it is most likely that the Noah's fable was a reinterpretation of the much older Sumerian legend of the Epic of Gilgamesh. As they are too similar for coincidence, Occam's razor would suggest that conclusion.
Also the Jews were persecuted in the Roman Empire after the year 64. The Gospels all date from that period and later and these quotes are from this period. The Romans did even not make any distinction between Jews , Jewish- Christians , Hellenistic-Christians. Christians were persecuted actually because of the proclamation of Jesus to be the Messiah. But that meant saying he is the legitimate heir of the seat of David. And exactly that was the cause of Jesus death (its Pilate who wrote it on the sentence bord above the cross as Romans used to do) and the reason of the persecution. Proclaiming one is the legitimate king is in those days is saying the Emperor is not! Paul is sentenced for it. Peter is telling it. Even after resurrection the apostles are still talking about it. Bar Kochba later on in the 2th century had the same proclamation which invoked the second upheaval and the same Roman answer as in 64 AC. The Resurrection was not the issue that bothered the Romans. They didn't belief in the resurrection in any form. The point was they did understand it as a new heir on the throne of David and that was the reason for persecution. Also Paul was sentenced to death by Felix for causing upheaval because what he says about the person of Jesus: that he was the messiah born out of the house of David (Letter of Corinthians). Only this was the real reason of the persecution.
Hey! Just wanted to say that I’m a new subscriber and I love your work! I’m young & still learning, but have a passion for Theology. One thing I noticed was that you (along with countless other apologists) call James Jesus’ brother. Most people believe that Jesus had brothers and possibly sisters. From my studying (I’m open to being wrong - this is just what I’ve found from my own research) is that Jesus did not have any brothers or sisters. The Greek word for brother is the same word as cousin. Also, on the cross, Jesus told John to behold his mother. This assumes first of all that Joseph was dead at the point, and secondly that Jesus had no brothers. He might have had sisters, but he never mentioned for John to take care of them too. Jesus gave John the job of taking care of his mother, meaning we would have no other sons to take care of her. Just wondering what your opinion is on this?
They’ve also been speculated to be Joseph’s kids from a previous marriage, making them Jesus’ step siblings. Would Jesus making John Mary’s guardian still make sense historically?
When skeptics don’t want to accept the facts and evidence and lie to themselves to try and not look like fools. They come up with silly explanations: the letter is forged, they suffered from persecution complex, they were seeking attention, they weren’t really martyred.....🤦🏻♀️ Repent and believe. The evidence is good. Is not about us winning an argument, you have everything to loose. I think that Paul was so sure about Christ resurrection that in 1 Cor 15 he states that if it didn’t happened (literally) then we should abandon Christianity in full. How sure you have to be to state that? It would’ve been so easy back then to disprove it. And he didn’t even went around the idea that if it wasn’t a bodily resurrection, then it was a spiritual one and we should still believe. Nope....it’s bodily or it’s false. No in the middle.
Hurl false insults all you want but it won't change the fact that this guy is lying and taking people's money for making his fraud entertaining. It's truly sad.
Part 1 Here’s my research on the topic. I’ll make the case around 4 people key to the rise of Christianity, Peter son of Jonah, John son of Zebedee, James son of Joseph (Jesus’ brother) and Paul (Saul) of Tarsus. That these four men were real historical figures, that they believed Jesus was their risen Lord and that they died as a result of their faith. All being eyewitnesses to seeing Jesus perform miracles* and see him after he rose from the dead. (*Except Paul seeing Christ’s miracles). As these four men are accounted of outside of the New Testament, Peter is mentioned by Clement of Rome (35-100 AD) who also knew Paul, and also by Ignatius of Antioch James is known outside the New Testament by his death recorded by Josephus and John had two disciples, Polycarp (69-155 AD) and Ignatius of Antioch (35-107 AD). It’s very safe to say these were real historical figures. These three men (Clement of Rome, Polycarp and Ignatius) also had quoted from 25 out of the 27 books of the New Testament by 95-110 A.D, proving that the New Testament books were written within the first century, and also in the life time of eyewitnesses to Jesus. These four men (Peter, Paul, James and John) wrote letters that appear in the New Testament, Paul’s many letters, Peter writing 1&2 Peter, John writing 1,2,3 John and Revelation and James writing his letter. And of course, John was the author of his Gospel. Polycarp (69-155 AD) was a disciple of John, and had a student named Irenaeus who recorded much of his work. As a student of Polycarp who wrote of his discourses with the apostle John, there was no doubt for Irenaeus who authored the Fourth Gospel. He wrote, “John, the disciple of the Lord, who leaned back on his breast, published the Gospel while he was resident at Ephesus in Asia.” The Gospel of Mark is Peter’s narrative of his time with Jesus, written down by John Mark. Mark is mentioned as a companion of Barnabas and Paul during their travels together. Irenaeus (A.D. 130-200) writes, “After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter.” Papias of Hierapolis (A.D. 60-130) writes, “…... Mark having become the interpreter of Peter, wrote down accurately whatsoever he remembered. It was not, however, in exact order that he related the sayings or deeds of Christ. For he neither heard the Lord nor accompanied Him. But afterwards, as I said, he accompanied Peter, who accommodated his instructions to the necessities [of his hearers], but with no intention of giving a regular narrative of the Lord’s sayings….” Clement of Alexandria (ca.150- ca.215 A.D), wrote that those who heard Peter’s teaching “were not satisfied with merely a single hearing or with the unwritten teaching of the divine Gospel, but with all sorts of entreaties they besought Mark, who was a follower of Peter and whose Gospel is extant, to leave behind with them in writing a record of the teaching passed on to them orally” Some quotes from these men assure their witness. All these men say they believe in Jesus as their Lord. Peter “We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, be we were eyewitnesses of his majesty” 2 Peter 1:16. He goes on to say that He, James* and John, witnessed the transfiguration of Jesus. (Matthew 17:1) * The James mentioned here was John’s brother. Paul “Paul, an apostle - sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the father, who raised him from the dead…” Galatians 1:1 James “… As believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ…” James 2:1 John “I, John your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus” Revelation 1:9 Paul accounted Jesus on the Road to Damascus (Acts 9:3-8, Acts 22:6-11) now what gives this event credibility is that the men traveling with him heard the voice to, though didn’t understand it, and they saw the light but didn’t see anyone. So his account with Jesus wasn’t a single man’s testimony he had witnesses to verify his account. In Paul’s letter to the Galatians he talks of meeting with Peter, James and John and saying they had nothing to add to his Gospel message. Nothing had changed of preaching Christ risen. They were all on the same page, same mind. Paul states in 1Cor 15:3-8 that Peter, John (he being one of the twelve disciples) James and himself, witnessed the risen Jesus “For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas (Peter), and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born”. Almost all scholars agree that 1 Corinthians was written by the apostle Paul in the early 50’s AD, that’s only 20 years after the death of Jesus. Therefore, it’s dramatic that Paul includes the passage “of whom the greater part remain onto this present, but some have fallen asleep.” Paul was inviting people to check out the facts. Talk to some of these 500 people yourselves. He wouldn’t have included a statement like that if he was trying to hide something like a conspiracy, hoax, myth or legend.
Part 2 Here we have four eyewitnesses to Jesus. Four men the early church could ask for their story on the events of Jesus. These men are also recorded of in their persecutions and deaths. They were all went to the end of their lives believing that they had witnessed Jesus’ miracles, his majesty and him risen from the dead. Firstly Peter, who is written of by Clement of Rome: “By reason of jealousy and envy the greatest and most righteous pillars of the Church were persecuted and contended even unto death. Let us set before our eyes the good Apostles. There was Peter who by reason of unrighteous jealousy endured not one not one but many labors, and thus having borne his testimony went to his appointed place of glory” Here Clement knowledge’s that the pillars of the Church ie the apostles were persecuted and even to their deaths. Paul, written of by Polycarp, Ignatius, Tertullian (see John) and Clement of Rome: Ignatius of Antioch “Paul, a real saint and martyr, who deserves to be congratulated” Clement of Rome: “By reason of jealousy and strife Paul by his example pointed out the prize of patient endurance. After that he had been seven times in bonds, had been driven into exile, had been stoned, had preached in the East and in the West, he won the noble renown which was the reward of his faith… and when he had borne his testimony before the rulers, so he departed from the world and went unto the holy place, having been found a notable pattern of patient endurance”. Polycarp - “For neither am I, nor is any other like unto me, able to follow the wisdom of the blessed and glorious Paul, who when he came among you taught face to face with the men of that day the word which concerneth truth carefully and surely; who also, when he was absent, wrote a letter unto you, into the which if ye look diligently, ye shall be able to be builded up unto the faith given to you” Though not talking directly about Paul’s death, he does hold him in high esteem and the fact that Paul was living out his beliefs. The term “glorious” is usually a term of the righteous dead. James, Brother of Jesus, written of by Josephus in his death by the Jewish Sanhedrin: “Festus now dead, and with Albinus was but upon the road; so he [Ananus the high priest] assembled the Sanhedrin of the judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others [or some of his companions], and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned” The Jews had lost their authority for capital punishment, in about 7 A.D a Roman procurator, Caponius, removed the legal powers of the Sanhedrin, including capital punishment. That’s why the Sanhedrin had to go to Pilate when they wanted Christ to be executed. Josephus revealed how the new high priest of the Jews (Ananus the younger) took advantage of a gap in the Roman rule to kill James. It was 62 A.D, and the Roman governor Festus died suddenly in office. Three months elapsed before his successor, Albinus, could get to Judea, allowing ample time for Ananus to do his dirty work. Now to be stoned by the Jewish authority’s he must have thought to have been breaking some law that required this action. The only law, which going by James upright character, that he could have really been thought guilty of, is the law of blasphemy. Most likely calling Jesus the son of God. The equal of God. Which is the Jewish culture this was blasphemy calling a man the equal of God. This was also the charge the Jews accused Jesus Christ of, the high priest Caiaphas saying at his trial “He has spoken blasphemy”, … “He is worthy of death” the teachers of law and elders answered. And lastly John, is the only one of the company generally thought to have died a natural death from old age, although he did have his trials with persecution. Tertullian: “Since, moreover, you are close upon Italy, you have Rome, from which there comes even into our own hands the very authority (of the apostles themselves). How happy is its church, on which apostles poured forth all their doctrine along with their blood; where Peter endures a passion like his Lord’s; where Paul wins his crown in a death like *John [the Baptist]’s; where the Apostle John was first plunged, unhurt, into boiling oil, and thence remitted to his island-exile” *John the Baptist was beheaded by King Herod, Paul being a Roman citizen was probably executed the same way. By order of the Roman Emperor, Domitian, John was exiled to slave labour in the mines on the island of Patmos. Domitian ordered his exile because he saw John as a threat to his rule. However, his popularity and influence in the Christian community continued through correspondence with all the churches. When he was released from exile, he returned to Ephesus. John founded and built churches all through Asia until he was old, and died the sixty-eighth year after our Lord's passion, peacefully in Ephesus. No other religion has this many eyewitnesses to its main claim, usually it’s the case of one man’s testimony, or a vision a man has, such as Muhammad, Joseph Smith and the list goes on. The events of Jesus’ lifetime were on public display, his healings, miracles, teachings and his greatest hour, the Resurrection. Four sober eyewitnesses, who refuse to recant their testimony even under the threat of death, would convict anyone of anything in a court of law. Such eyewitness testimony yields a verdict that is certain beyond a reasonable doubt. Unless you were there yourself, you can’t be any more certain than those historical events actually occurred. The New Testament books have been proven time and time again to be correct about events, locations and people. The New Testament includes over thirty public figures which are confirmed in secular sources or archaeology. Luke the author of his Gospel, interviewed eyewitnesses, but he is merely confirming the story of Jesus that Theophilus already knows. (Luke 1:4). That does not leave room to fabricate his story about Jesus. The book of Acts contains 84 identified facts alone in its last 16 chapters, even the Gospel of John that confines events to the Holy land contains at least 59 historically confirmed/historically probable details. One of the interesting facts of history, is that among those 30 public figures, there was no rebuttals to the claims made by the New Testament writers, nothing from them or their families or employees etc.
Part 3 Some interesting quotes outside the New Testament accounts about Jesus' healing Miracles. Quadratus of Athens, who wrote to the Roman emperor in the early 2nd century and Papias of Hierapolis. “But the works of our Saviour (Jesus) were always present, for they were true, those that were healed, those that rose from the dead, who were seen not only when they were raised but were constantly present; and not only while the Saviour was living, but even after he had gone they were alive for a long time, so that some of them survived even to our own time” Quadratus of Athens to the Emperor Hadrian, 125 AD. This is the argument Quadratus gave: firstly, we know that Christ performed miracles because we have either seen them with our own eyes or know someone who has seen the miracles or has experienced them firsthand. The Gospels tell of many young children whom Jesus healed or raised from the dead. It is not unthinkable that some such children whom Jesus had healed around 30-33 A.D lived on into the early 2nd century. Second, we know that those who were healed or raised from the dead continued on in good health for many years-some were still alive during Quadratus’ lifetime. This account is also confirmed by Papias (c. 60-130 A.D. He not only knew at least two firsthand eyewitnesses to Jesus (the apostle John and another disciple named Aristion), he also interviewed many others who knew other apostles and disciples of Jesus. From these, he gathered enough eyewitness testimony to fill five volumes. (Now lost, only quotes exist now) Furthermore, he provides historical confirmation of Jesus' miracles: "As for those who were raised from the dead by Christ, he states that they survived until the time of Hadrian”.
While I appreciate the effort... you are merely repeating early catholic dogma. Donald Trump spent 4 years lying to the entire planet on live TV.. He could have easily claim 500 people rose from dead. His supporters would have believed him..his detractors would not. Paul was no different. I am sure many laughed at his 500 claim and for the true believers.. they would take him at face value. We know that paul had access to a creed.. it is a short leap to assume he wrote his fan fiction based on this. Many religions only require 1 mad zealot to start a religion.. here we have two Peter and Paul. It is hardly surprising that Christianity took off so fast.
@@magicker8052 Exactly, Trump can be easy exposed by someone who could investigate his claims. Paul makes a statement, that can be easily falsified. Probably why he wasn’t re-elected again. If Paul’s claims could easily be falsified and the costs of falsification were high, then he would ensure his claims were not mistaken. Also with the 500, there are the disciples of Jesus, Jesus’ brother James, Matthias, Barsabbas, the women who meet Jesus to question. Christianity is different to other religions, in that it was public one. Islam has Muhammed receiving a vision, but its one man’s testimony, same as Joseph Smith. But Christianity has all these eye witness accounts and are named. Since the Gospels are written before Paul’s letters, (Paul quotes from Luke twice, and Luke in his intro says he uses eye witness accounts ie Matthew and Mark), this all puts the story of Jesus in the timeframe of hostile eye witnesses. They could easily rebuttal claims made by the authors, such as Matthew saying the Jewish leaders spread the story that the disciples stole the body of Jesus. Especially natural public events like the Three hours of darkness. (Which is confirmed in secular sources).
@@farmercraig6080 wishful thinking with dollops of "for the bible tells me so" There are people who think Trump is coming back. They don't believe he lied at all. Despite hundreds of websites proving when he did. Do you think Paul err I mean Trumps followers care? Neither would early Christians.
I don't get it. Really I don't. Why is it so difficult to differentiate between claim and evidence? I've just come from the Matt Dillahunty video so you were schooled and should know what this is. So why not try and be honest? Just a bit? Tacitus does not mention Jesus and simply repeats hearsay about Christians, decades later and 1000 kms away.
@Resurrected Eyes Ministries "Why is this so difficult to understand" Exactly my question. Tacitus does not mention any Jesus and only repeats hearsay about what Christians say what happened decades earlier and 1000s of miles away. This is not a tactic but facts. I don't care who believed what. If you don't care what is true that is entirely your problem. My level of ethics, integrity and authenticity are obviously of a higher standard.
@Resurrected Eyes Ministries Perhaps I should point out that Tacitus wasn't even _born_ until several decades after Jesus supposedly died. So why do you think he'd know anything about it, other than just hearsay?
@Resurrected Eyes Christ merely meant "anointed one". There were many Christs during the centuries in that era jesus was supposed to be born and centuries after. So the followers of which "anointed one" was he referring to? This is not just a question atheists ask..it's the question majority of theists in the world also ask as majority of theists don't recognise jesus even existed let alone was a god. Your ignorance of basic history and your own ideologies history is common as most Christians. But Steve is correct, Tacitus does not mention jesus and only repeats hearsay about what Christians claimed. which Christians, we don't know. And it can ONLY be hearsay as Tacitus wasn't even alive when the modern conception of the claimed 'anointed joshua' was supposed to die.
So to recap.. neither James or Peter claim to have seen the rised christ and we have no evidence either was given an opportunity to recant at their death.. But apart from that top job.. well done. I think this tips over from wishful thinking to basic deceit
Dude, it literally sounds like you are describing yourself! Both men attested fo seeing the risen Christ, as he points out in the video. Also, you have no proof that they weren't given a chance to recant. We know that the Romans a few years down the road, for instance would give them a chance to recant. Also, the sources make it clear that they knew they would be persecuted and killed for proclaiming Jesus, but they did so anyway.
@@urielmarkander1128 Needless to say.. millions of people from all sorts of religious backgrounds have martyred themselves... so what. At this point the evangelical will state "ah but why would someone who knows that Jesus did not die allow themselves to be martyred" The same reason people crash planes into buildings. People can convince themselves of anything regardless if it happened or not. Some people just want to make a name for themselves. This happens so many times throughout history it is boring. Historically speaking we have very little evidence that those who claim (in their own words) to have seen a risen Jesus were prepared to die for it. Peter is perhaps the only candidate for this. Paul was willing to die on the back of a dodgy vision. James the brother of Jesus was clearly executed for political reasons. It does not matter what he saw, thought he saw, or was prepared to recant. He was executed regardless. The remainder are essentially early catholic church traditions which ironically modern evangelicals now treat with the same sort of Sacred Truth they apply to the books that appear in the modern bible.
The courage of the apostles, selflessly giving up their lives for Christ does not stem from some physical resurrection. Back in 1844 when a new movement named the Bábi movement started by the claims of Siyyid Ali Muhammad, titled the Báb which means “The Gate” in Arabic, thousands of the Bábis were given the chance to recant their faith or else die by the worst deaths known to humankind, yet the followers of the Báb chose death over recanting their faiths. The Báb was executed by being suspended by a rope and 750 riflemen were ordered by the Shah and his prime minister and religious leaders of the time (in the 19th century) to fire their rifles at the suspended bodies of the Báb and one of his young followers who was tied by ropes on his chest. After that unsightly scene, their bodies were thrown right outside of the city moat and soldiers were placed there in order to prevent their bodies to be stolen by the Báb’s disciples and make sure the wild animals consume the remains of the bodies. But the bodies were still managed to be stolen by his disciples and were secretly transferred to a silk factory, and for 65 years it was secretly moved from place to place and finally it reached to Mount Carmel, Haifa, Israel and ceremoniously they were put to rest. My point is, there was no need for a resurrection for the Cause of the Báb to take roots and grow rapidly, and having his followers willingly lay their lives for the love and the truth of the Cause of the Báb. During the time of the Lord Jesus the Christ, all the 12 disciples had ran away in fear of being killed, but in the case of the Báb, NOT 12, but thousands upon thousands of his followers were openly willing to die the most gruesome deaths known to man for the Cause of the Báb, and in fact, they did. So, it is not the literal physical resurrection that can empower the hearts of the followers to courageously give up their lives willingly, but the power of the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that reinforces and completely transforms the followers of the founders of world religions. History of the Báb and Bahá’u’lláh (the Baha’i Faith) are the irrefutable proofs of that! The Apostles of Christ were also helped and reinforced by the Holy Spiritual in mysterious ways which also involved the appearances of Jesus Christ whenever necessary. These appearances do not have to be physical at all!
Acts was written by luke. Like explained his methodology st the beginning of luke. He based his writings off of interviewing people about what they saw and collected them to create a coherent account. Those killed in ACTS aren't Luke. In the case of the death of James and Stephen it's clearly based on people there since they're not from a first person view, and both were either in public (Stephen) or infamous (James). Paul and Peters deaths take place after Acts.
I’m pretty sure “for the Bible tells me so” has context to it that you aren’t acknowledging. Even if you feel you have an explanation for it, the comment would seem fitting. If it’s only located in the Bible, then “for the Bible tells me so”, or is that not how you understood it?
Unfortunately the context is that atheist TH-camr Paulogia dismisses things in the Bible with the phrase “for the Bible tells me so”. He responded to a full study I did on ways to verify the factual nature of what the Bible says by tweeting out that my video was (if I recall correctly) “43 minutes of ‘for the Bible tells me so’”. Here’s that video. th-cam.com/video/5hub-6Kg678/w-d-xo.html I only mention Paulogia because he is becoming a source for many skeptics online and this sort of thinking is irrational. I could similarly dismiss Josephus as “for Josephus tells me so” or dismiss philosophy as “for philosophers tell me so” or dismiss Paulogia the same way. It requires no reasoning or critical thought.
Schrish Zen Yes! So even in that case, it doesn’t necessarily mean that it is a negative thing or at all any unreliable source, nor that it degrades the possible value of any contributing evidence if you cite a lone source. Albeit in the case of Scripture these are all multiple sources of varying persons collected into one binding. It seems dishonest to the Bible to denounce it based on the misconception it is a source alone and of itself some authority with out checks and balances, as well as being a collective of separate scrolls, poems, essays, literary historical narratives, letters and testimonies. Persons of authorship even referencing to one another in organic conversation. Anyway, Have a lovely evening brother. I obviously mean you no ill will, and blessings to you and your loved ones. (I was an atheist before, and no one convinced me and I don’t force it, it’s all open with invitation of the individual. You just have to search for things of your own courage and be honest with integrity of your findings.)
D H actually there are over 300,000 Jews that believe Jesus is the messiah and came to Christ through the scriptures. That’s more Jews that believe in Jesus as the messiah in this world than Hasidic Jews which number around 200,000. Dr. Micheal brown is a messianic Jew and Christian apologist that proves Jesus is the messiah mostly using the Old Testament. His doctorate is in Hebrew studies and firmly understands Jewish religious teachings and debates rabbi’s bringing many to Christ. Christ comes from the Greek word meaning messiah in case you did not know. So no Jews don’t reject Christ large amounts realize he is truly the messiah.
I Am Redeemed my question is how the exponential growth of the human population rose to 7 billion within the time span of 4,000-6,000 years to present day
@@sarahscribbles2160 It's not possible.. lack of medical technology and resources.. tribalism, etc., back then.. Also, many documented cultures that existed pre-flood, continued post-flood.
@@joanyluvschachi Most Christians believe that the flood took place around 2300 BCE. If you agree, this would place the flood of Noah around 4,300 years ago, give or take. I'll provide some examples of ancient civilizations which exited long before 2300 BCE and continued to exist long after 2300 BCE. I'm not going to mention cultures which didn't write at this point in history, such as the ancient American populations, including Paleo-Indians, even though we have strong archaeological evidence that they continually populated N. and S. America for tens of thousands of years up till the present. The Sumerians date back to around 5000 BCE from migrating groups of West Asia. The land of Sumer was conquered by the Akkadians around 2270 BCE but the Sumarian culture and language continued with widespread use many hundreds of years past that time. It wasn't until around 1700 BCE that these two cultures started to loose their population numbers which were as high as 80,000 in number. The Sumerian language continued to be used as a sacred, ceremonial, literary, and scientific language in Babylonia and Assyria until the 1st century CE. There is a clear continuity of Sumarian culture, writings, and art, starting thousands of years before the "global flood" and thousands of years after, without a major end to this culture. One might expect from the elimination of all cultures apart from Noah's we would have seen an end to the Sumarians. Search for more info. on the Sumerians, there will be thousands of reputable sites for you to research. The ancient Egyptians coalesced around 3100 BC until other societies including the Romans started to reduce Egyptian populations thousands of years later. The important thing to remember is that Egyptians had a rich culture and language, much like the Sumarians, which did not abruptly end around 2300 BCE(date of the flood). The ancient Egyptian language of Hieroglyphics started from previous proto-hieroglyphic symbols around 3000 BCE Hieroglyphs continued to be used under Persian rule, and began to fade out around 500 BCE. Do you think that Noah's decedents revived this ancient language and culture in addition to his own after the flood? Logically, if a global flood had occurred, this culture and language would have ceased to exist. Ancient Chinese cultures were writing in symbols as early as 6000 BCE and continue to use a similar pattern and characters of written language that are still in use today. If the flood would have occurred, it's doubtful that ancestors to Noah would have felt the need to continue the exact same culture and art of the ancient Chinese.. as it existed before the flood.. Even without written language, it's very clear that many other cultures were not wiped out after the purported time of a global flood by simply looking at archaeology. However, language leaves a very clear set of evidence for those Christians which may deny everything but the most obvious evidence. Other Christians simply don't care about evidence and won't do any research. I encourage you to do more research! I would focus on the Sumerians or Egyptians. Tons of info., just on those two cultures. It also might be a good idea to check out the flood story in The Epic of Gilgamesh(Sumerians) which predates Genesis by at least 1,000 years. Take Care!
@@antoniorobles8706 No cupcake, if you want to call out something as wrong, it is on you to bring the evidence to support your claim. Otherwise you are at best a heckler.
@@antoniorobles8706 He did bring evidence. I understand if you are not convinced though. I would watch more of his video as, and look into the evidence that he brings forth and weigh it out as well.
Check out Paulogia's response to this video. Sorry Mike, just more unsubstantiated "facts" from unreliable sources to fit your feelings/Hope's for what the truth is.
@@llllllllllllllIIlIllIIllIIIIll No attack was made, clearly. I dont need to disprove him as I already referenced the video that does that very thing. Also, you say "Jesus is lord"...can you provide any evidence of that?
@@cmarble5365 I watched Paulogias video response and I can say that he was citing the same things that Mike said just with out thinking it thorough. Paulogia seems to amply that they had to state the! Selves that they saw him, and they have to have a chance to recant to be considered martys. ok let's try both of them. First did the apostles James peter and Paul stated that they saw him? Well Paulogia said that we have actual writings of Paul that states that he saw a resurrected jesus, so Paul is cleared. But what about the other two? Well as Paulogia says we have we don't have any writtings of Peter and james that state that they saw him. But we have a very early creed from The apostle Paul in Corinthians 15:3-8 that that dates to around months or even (at most) 5 years after Jesus death(it is even accepted by scholars like Bart Herman and so on). In the creed it is stated that Jesus appeared to the twelve and then to Paul and then to james . Thus saying that we have early confessions from the apostles and James recorded by Paul that they saw Jesus after death. So check on that. Now did they get a chance to recant? Paulogia says no because the scripture that Mike cites (John) was written in 170-177 AD. Well we have writtings in Matthew 10:16-24 Jesus says that the disciples were going to suffer because of him. Now we all know that Matthew was written before John( Around 60 AD) so yes they had a chance to recant because Jesus was telling them how much they are going to suffer before it started to happen. And also Paulogia says that they (the early church)were brutally murdered because Nero told accused them of burning down the street, that's all. But this is why I said that Pauogia did not think that thorough. First we need to ask "why Nero blamed the Christian in the first place?" Well some people might say that they were already trouble makers. But thats Not right because the early church did not want any trouble they wanted to spread the teachings of Jesus in Rome. No problem right? No! Christians were constantly calling out the gods and goddesses of the cults practices in Rome. Paul calls out the abominations and horrors of cults, so people started to hate Christians because they were a threat to their ways of living. Now Nero seeing that the people in Rome already hated Christians, decided to put the blame on them because he knew that the people are not going to try to rebuke him. Now the letter that says that Paul and Peter were killed because of envy and jealousy and that is it. Again he did not think it thorough. What was the cause of the jealousy and envy that they died for? It was not their life styles because being an apostle at that time is like being seen as a plague that had to be exterminated, and it was not popularity because people hated them because the apostles where constantly calling them out for their sin. So what is the cause of this jealousy and envy? I can think of only two things. The amount of attention they were getting, and the disciples were ca point the cult leaders and their gods an e goddesses out.let me explain: the early church preached that Jesus is LORD and salvation come through him. Some people hated that but other people repented and followed jesus. This decreased the popularity and authority of the cult leaders. So as much that people rejected the message of the gospels others turned and followed Jesus and that was killing the cult leaders careers.So they were jealous that these Jewish man were getting more respect and authority than those leaders, also the apostles called out the sins of the cult leaders the most the most. Calling them liars and their gods and goddesses man made invention who have no power, and they were saying that the only way to be saved is thorough Jesus alone, that obviously contradicted their beliefs and the gospels called their beliefs evil and an abomination. There is my answer answer me back when you have chance. God bless!
@A J the thing is Martyrdom by itself cant prove that Jesus rose, there are a bunch of evidences that Jesus rose but if we isolate each one of them it can be easily refuted but together they make a solid case. if we treat Martyrdom as Our BEST evidence Christianity is doomed, you can prove Islam with martyrdom too. we have to analyze the evidences we got all together not isolate one and make case out of that one, for example if Person 1 is in court because he killed person b and they examine only one evidence "that person 1 abused person b" is this really enough evidence to plead him guilty? put all the evidence that we have on the table and then analyze it as a whole. don't isolate one peace of evidence and conclude that there fore Christianity is false. God bless.
@A J Please watch Inspiring philosophy video series on the resurrection, he will explain it better than I ever will to you. watch the series and see if you can refute his claims. I know I sound desperate right know but I am a young Christian and I already gave you what I knew and that was not enough. please watch experienced Christians in this field. PLEASE watch the series and then try to refute it. Don't do it for me, do it for your self and your seek of knowledge
The courage of the apostles, selflessly giving up their lives for Christ does not stem from some physical resurrection. Back in 1844 when a new movement named the Bábi movement started by the claims of Siyyid Ali Muhammad, titled the Báb which means “The Gate” in Arabic, thousands of the Bábis were given the chance to recant their faith or else die by the worst deaths known to humankind, yet the followers of the Báb chose death over recanting their faiths. The Báb was executed by being suspended by a rope and 750 riflemen were ordered by the Shah and his prime minister and religious leaders of the time (in the 19th century) to fire their rifles at the suspended bodies of the Báb and one of his young followers who was tied by ropes on his chest. After that unsightly scene, their bodies were thrown right outside of the city moat and soldiers were placed there in order to prevent their bodies to be stolen by the Báb’s disciples and make sure the wild animals consume the remains of the bodies. But the bodies were still managed to be stolen by his disciples and were secretly transferred to a silk factory, and for 65 years it was secretly moved from place to place and finally it reached to Mount Carmel, Haifa, Israel and ceremoniously they were put to rest. My point is, there was no need for a resurrection for the Cause of the Báb to take roots and grow rapidly, and having his followers willingly lay their lives for the love and the truth of the Cause of the Báb. During the time of the Lord Jesus the Christ, all the 12 disciples had ran away in fear of being killed, but in the case of the Báb, NOT 12, but thousands upon thousands of his followers were openly willing to die the most gruesome deaths known to man for the Cause of the Báb, and in fact, they did. So, it is not the literal physical resurrection that can empower the hearts of the followers to courageously give up their lives willingly, but the power of the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that reinforces and completely transforms the followers of the founders of world religions. History of the Báb and Bahá’u’lláh (the Baha’i Faith) are the irrefutable proofs of that! The Apostles of Christ were also helped and reinforced by the Holy Spiritual in mysterious ways which also involved the appearances of Jesus Christ whenever necessary. These appearances do not have to be physical at all!
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This is weak! You would have to be a fully blind folded Christian to buy into this argument. Nothing in John gives evidence for Peter's martyrdom other than your wishful thinking.. which is kinda sick if you think about it.. and Peter himself never claims to see jesus.. you know better than Peter himself?? The sheer desperate arrogance is amazing.
Yes, just ignore the consensus in historical studies on this subject. Just listen to Mike's regurgitation of unsubstantiated Christian traditional tall tales. lol
@The Great Skitimus “Martyrdoms would rarely lead to conversions because they were themselves relatively rare. The vast majority of pagans-including the millions who eventually converted-never saw a martyrdom, as recent scholarship has shown. As the most prolific and one of the best-traveled authors of the first three Christian centuries, Origen of Alexandria, stated in no uncertain terms: “Only a small number of people, easily counted, have died for the Christian religion.” ― Bart D. Ehrman, The Triumph of Christianity: How a Small Band of Outcasts Conquered an Empire “Nero did not, technically speaking, prosecute Christians for being Christian. He executed them for committing arson. True, they probably were not guilty, but that was the charge. Being a Christian was not punishable, but setting fire to Rome was. Nero’s persecution was localized. It involved only the city of Rome. Nothing indicates that Christians elsewhere in the empire suffered any consequences. Even more significant, it appears that none of Nero’s successors down to Trajan (ruled 98-117 CE) persecuted Christians. Between Nero in 64 CE and Marcus Aurelius in 177 CE, the only mention of an emperor’s intervention in Christian affairs, apart from the episode involving Trajan found in Pliny’s letters, is a letter from the emperor Hadrian that gives instructions to a local governor to conduct his trials against the Christians fairly.” ― Bart D. Ehrman, The Triumph of Christianity: How a Small Band of Outcasts Conquered an Empire Another book you should read is The Myth of Persecution by Candida Moss. It also argues that the Christian tradition of persecution claims are greatly exaggerated to almost the point of being unbelievable. Where there is absolutely no evidence for systematic persecution of Christians because of what they believed in.
You not only misrepresent almost everything but you frequently lie. I wonder if anyone in the 21st century is gullible enough to believe that you people have any actual rules of conduct or ethics. I don't doubt that you have wonderful excuses for why you lie so much but this is damaging and you thereby get totally unearned money from people you trick. I'm disgusted. I wish you'd come clean and get honest work.... for your sake and that of your victims. {sigh}
Would YOU die for your beliefs, not having seen a living Jesus? Plenty of other religions' followers would. Also, there's no good reason to believe the people in the bible saw more than a vision AND the entire argument rests on using claims in the bible to prove claims in the bible. One can really tell why the best apologists christianity has to offer blends into the worst, bottom of the barrel young/flat earth creationists seamlessly...
I am a fairly new christian and I just wanted to thank you also for the way you go in depth and explain what's goin on in the text without adding to it, your time spent going deep to research is bearing fruit bless you . Praise the LORD always
Guys can we just each donate like $1 a month to this guy. Mike, glory to God, you've been truly blessed with the gift of teaching. If even a portion of the 56k subscribers donate just a lil bit it would help equip his ministry so much.
Mike Winger's Cat should be a frequent guest!
"Learn how to not divide and still push for truth" ❤️
The courage of the apostles, selflessly giving up their lives for Christ does not stem from some physical resurrection. Back in 1844 when a new movement named the Bábi movement started by the claims of Siyyid Ali Muhammad, titled the Báb which means “The Gate” in Arabic, thousands of the Bábis were given the chance to recant their faith or else die by the worst deaths known to humankind, yet the followers of the Báb chose death over recanting their faiths. The Báb was executed by being suspended by a rope and 750 riflemen were ordered by the Shah and his prime minister and religious leaders of the time (in the 19th century) to fire their rifles at the suspended bodies of the Báb and one of his young followers who was tied by ropes on his chest. After that unsightly scene, their bodies were thrown right outside of the city moat and soldiers were placed there in order to prevent their bodies to be stolen by the Báb’s disciples and make sure the wild animals consume the remains of the bodies. But the bodies were still managed to be stolen by his disciples and were secretly transferred to a silk factory, and for 65 years it was secretly moved from place to place and finally it reached to Mount Carmel, Haifa, Israel and ceremoniously they were put to rest.
My point is, there was no need for a resurrection for the Cause of the Báb to take roots and grow rapidly, and having his followers willingly lay their lives for the love and the truth of the Cause of the Báb.
During the time of the Lord Jesus the Christ, all the 12 disciples had ran away in fear of being killed, but in the case of the Báb, NOT 12, but thousands upon thousands of his followers were openly willing to die the most gruesome deaths known to man for the Cause of the Báb, and in fact, they did. So, it is not the literal physical resurrection that can empower the hearts of the followers to courageously give up their lives willingly, but the power of the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that reinforces and completely transforms the followers of the founders of world religions. History of the Báb and Bahá’u’lláh (the Baha’i Faith) are the irrefutable proofs of that! The Apostles of Christ were also helped and reinforced by the Holy Spirit in mysterious ways which also involved the appearances of Jesus Christ whenever necessary. These appearances do not have to be physical at all!
Thank you for speaking truth!
Dear pastor Mike, I want to thank you with all my heart for the SPECTACULAR work you're doing on this channel.
I hope you read this. I'm from lebanon and I love the work you're doing, you are leading people to salvation, there will be people in heaven that your work helped them get there. God bless you.
Well presented! God bless you and your viewers!
WONDERFUL lesson Mike, thanks very much for your work and prayers sent for your upcoming debate, God bless.
Paulogica made a nice response video detailing why Mikes' video is devoid of any evidence: th-cam.com/video/ecGCVgyxs4o/w-d-xo.html
I love you Mike Winger. In the name of Jesus
Stoked to watch this one!
Whaddo You Meme??
Coffee and contemplation time.
Definitely watch this video, but watch the response video from Paulogia, too: th-cam.com/video/ecGCVgyxs4o/w-d-xo.html
Unless, of course, you don't actually care about the truth, but only want to pretend that there's evidence backing up this claim.
ME TOO!!!!!! thank you for introducing me to this channel!!!!
Awesome! This is something I've been meaning to look up.
Hey mike! My uncle recommended your videos and you have helped my wife and i out immensely with your biblical based discussion of many issues and we are so grateful for your speaking God's Truth! We have been going to a church in town recently that is part of the Vineyard group, and we have not been able to find much unbiased biblical based examinations of what they believe and how they operate. We have some concerns but the people in our local church seem to have a really strong relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ, and they have been a huge help to us spiritually and to others. I was wondering if you had any info on them, or if maybe you could do a video about them. Again, thank you so much for all that you do and God bless you!
Great video. I read lots of those materials too. Not the book you had. But the other stuff. Thank you for the upload. 😎Praise Jesus Christ. ❤️
Lol! You’re killing me about the price of that book! 😂🤣😂 Yay, youtube ad money!
I love your insight, Pastor Mike, bringing up things I did not know nor had not thought of before. Thru Christ, your messages are such a blessing. Thank you, my brother!
If anyone is wanting the book it's a bit less now, $50 on Amazon
I just love you so much brother, thank you so much for the work and time you put into these lessons. I pray that someone benefits from watching this and they come to Jesus our Saviour. As a Christian I am blessed so much by your teaching and pass on what I have learned to my fellow brothers and sisters. May God bless you and help you continue in this ministry 🙏🙏🙏
Benefit? The guy is disingenuously providing a false narrative of Christians during the first few hundred years.
Hey Mike... When is the response to Paulogia critique of your summary? Thanks in advance.
Yes... I want to know when you are going to address all the errors that Paulogia pointed out too!
+1
BTW, Paulogia's response is here: th-cam.com/video/ecGCVgyxs4o/w-d-xo.html
Brother . Your work is awesome and helping us a lot.. not lot of people do this kind of work..your effort is clearly understandable. I am currently jobless..but as soon as I get a job I will start helping you the best I could.. God bless you, your family and your ministry
Happy to see you serving our Lord Jesus!
Hi Pastor Mike, can you please pray for me? I’ve been having really bad headaches that start at the base of my skull and go up to the curve of my skull. The last time this happened, I had a seizure. I have a shunt due to my hydrocephalus and it broke. I think I’ve shared my health issues and testimony with you before. If not, tell me and I’ll type it out in a comment. I’d love to share with the viewers that haven’t heard it.
Prayer is a harmful activity to do. It gives the person doing such ridiculous rituals a false sense of contributing - when they are actually doing nothing at all but wasting time. Time that could be better used to do something actually productive about the situation that that person is praying for.
The saying "two hands in action do more than a billion clasped in prayer" remains true.
You got it Nate.
Mike Winger thank you!
Nate Rivera
By the Spirit given unto us in the truth of Christ Jesus, of the Father, all in all God the Most High, I ask of you oh LORD to find a means of healing, ease of pain and find of cause for a solution to our brother Nate’s health issues.
We Pray you weave the wisdom needed into the doctors that are examining him, and fill them with integrity to do what is right by our brother, for him & his loved ones.
We ask in humbleness, and of no demand, unto you oh LORD. Amen.
Bird brings the Word thank you! I deeply and greatly appreciate that! 😊
If the apostles believed in the teachings of Jesus and in the coming of the Kingdom of Heaven.
Then why would they be afraid of escaping this evil of tears, and bring raised to be back at the feet of Jesus in paradise?
What is there to fear if they TRULY believed in there teacher?
What? Paul literally said he wants to die and go back to Jesus but stays alive just for our sake. Why wouldn't anyone be afraid of dying in any case? It could be extremely painful and scary even if you trust in God. I dont understand this argument at all...
@@DavidJohnAr A moment of pain for the permanence of Heaven.
But we also have to think about the horrific humans that spread the word of Jesus.
I presume you would say that anyone who hasn’t heard the gospel, is innocent and therefore goes to heaven?
Therefore, telling someone about Jesus, casts the chance they may doubt. This brings them the chance of hell.
If they had never been told about Jesus, life after death would be perfect. Christian preachers are the worst humans on Earth, if you believe in Yahweh
Hey Mike, what about a video to check out your bookshelf and see what books you love and ones that have impacted your study of the faith or just for fun.
An important and well put together teaching. Thanks for sharing! (Also, very cute cat.)
Mike, I have really needed to hear this coherent Sharing of what is really going on in the Bible. I get so confused by there being so many translations that I find it really hard to commit to reading any of them. The one I have read most with the most essence of reality of what I was reading is the Complete Jewish Bible. The next one after that is The Berean Study Bible, via Bible apps. The CJB tho I began reading from the Beginning and got farther than I ever did with any NIV KJV or shall I say similar versions. It seems that I felt fire burning inside my spirit like never before when reading the CJB.
Anyhow, Thank You For All Of Your Commitment To Studying And Sharing With Us To Help Us See Clearly What God Is Actually Saying To Us And Helping Us Realize The Realities Of The Bible
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15:00 - 17:21 very important things were said here!!
HAHAHA Which video did someone put "For the bible tells me so" on?
Shannon Q gee I wonder
Shannon Q he had no real response
Shannon Q the evidence of martyrdom comes from extra biblical sources
Grant Sherrill his response was awful. He ignores the Pauline letters that illustrate Christian suffering and also has silly standards from the Get go. He says that the sources must say said disciple must be killed. Which is what it says about Peter. His response well it doesn’t say word for word “Peter will be martyred” they use poetic language and therefore you have to interpret what they say therefore it doesn’t say what it says.
@@joshuavandernoord6912 you just admitted it had to be interrupted… which was Paulogia’s point. Mike presented all of this “evidence” as fact and never once mentioned it relied upon interpretation.
And how do we Demonstrate which interpretation is correct?
Soooo in summary Mike provides zero first hand accounts outside of Paul any of these Top 3 saw the risen Jesus. (Paul's was a vision) Zero first hand evidence any of these guys were directly persecuted for their belief of a resurrected Jesus. So what we have left is Mike seeing and reading into the evidence what he wants to see, not what it actually says.
I still can't get past that they use the books in the bible as a matter of fact.
Did Plato exist? Did he write anything? How do you know?
When you don’t watch the full video and miss Josephus, Tacitus etc.
@@randallwilliams5557 Unlike the work of nearly all of his contemporaries, Plato's entire body of work is believed to have survived intact for over 2,400 years. And no originals of the bible exist.
And it doesn't matter about plato. It doesn't matter who wrote the things attributed to plato. It only matters what he wrote. The ideas.
@@joshuavandernoord6912 josephus or tacitus never met jesus and weren't even born when he supposedly died. So they can't be contemporary historical records. They are merely hearsay and record what Christians at the time believed about many christ characters at the time. Plus many entries of Josephus's works were forged by Christians at a later date. All Winger has to support his claims are "For the bible tells me so".
What program or website are you using to look up scriptures?
Shalom Brother
Can you make a Video about Preterism and the Arguments of preterists? I started to believe in this form of believing because it have the best bible foundeted teaching
One of the best Scholars is Don K Preston
God bless you
Hi Kosove, I did a debate on the topic once. Here it is. Other than this I haven’t taught on it in details but I do hope this helps. th-cam.com/video/8KhVI2gD22w/w-d-xo.html
@@MikeWinger thank you very much my brother
I will look the video before i go sleep. Greetings from Europe
@@unam9931 DR Michael Brown also has a debate with Preston on that topic I believe.
@@unam9931 RC sproul's book, "the last days according to Jesus " may be of some utility as well.
The Romans required that people venerated the emperor as a god. It was seen as an act of patriotism. The Christians wouldn't do that because they thought it was idolatry. So they were seen as unpatriotic and subversive. They really weren't unpatriotic and subversive, but the Romans thought they were. The Romans just couldn't understand the whole principle of monotheism. There are many gods, why not just add the emperor as another god. What could be bad about that? That's how the Romans were thinking.
There were some monotheists in the Roman Empire such as the Platonists and Stoics
@@paradisecityX0 Apparently the Platonists and Stoics did not see a problem in venerating the emperor as a god. Or else they too would have been persecuted. I think that was because their god was more of a pantheistic god and not a personal god like that of the Christians and Jews.
@@captainkolding They didn't venerate the emperors as gods, they just had to pay tribute
@@paradisecityX0 That's not what I have heard.
@@paradisecityX0 it wasn't sincerely done, but it certainly was done. No one actually believed the ceasars were gods, at least not the way we think if gods now, but that's not the point. It was a powerful political tool.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_cult_of_ancient_Rome
It developed over time.
It’s one thing to suffer and die as a martyr for your faith in what someone else told you. However, the Disciple suffered and died because they Wouldn’t deny what they had SEEN. Big difference.
Even if I took the bible at its word, I still haven't seen evidence of this. Where does it say that they even had the chance of recanting, that they didn't, and that they were killed because of that?
We don't know when where and how Peter and Paul died. So how can you say, they died because of their beliefs? If they were killed by Nero, they were chosen not because of their beliefs, but because of being a minority without mighty supporters.
please document what evidence you have for this amazing claim?
Really? Can you cite the evidence where any of the disciples were killed for what they claimed to have seen? Further, is there any evidence they were given a chance to recant?
"You can't approach history with a SpongeBob mentality" ... I want to put that on a shirt!!
Hypothetically, if someone trying to teach me something and I didn't believe them - and they called me SpongeBob over my response I would want to then learn every last piece of evidence they've got. I hope someone appreciates the playful comment and truly considers really examining this 🙏
What would the promise God made to Noah, when He set the rainbow, mean if it was just a local flood?
There is zero contemporary evidence for a historical Noah. Nor is there any contemporary historical evidence for any of the extraordinary claims made in the Genesis tale. Like it or not, it is most likely that the Noah's fable was a reinterpretation of the much older Sumerian legend of the Epic of Gilgamesh. As they are too similar for coincidence, Occam's razor would suggest that conclusion.
It would mean it was man, claiming to speak for an all knowing God, not an all knowing God Speaking to man.
sorry to be off topic but I can't seem to find any videos about the age of accountability on your channel?????
I think he answered a question about it the other day. I think he said he might do a video in it at some point? But if so it would be a while
@@Judahmangi Thank you very much
@@emsdiy6857 You're welcome, God bless!
Also the Jews were persecuted in the Roman Empire after the year 64. The Gospels all date from that period and later and these quotes are from this period. The Romans did even not make any distinction between Jews , Jewish- Christians , Hellenistic-Christians.
Christians were persecuted actually because of the proclamation of Jesus to be the Messiah. But that meant saying he is the legitimate heir of the seat of David.
And exactly that was the cause of Jesus death (its Pilate who wrote it on the sentence bord above the cross as Romans used to do) and the reason of the persecution. Proclaiming one is the legitimate king is in those days is saying the Emperor is not! Paul is sentenced for it. Peter is telling it. Even after resurrection the apostles are still talking about it. Bar Kochba later on in the 2th century had the same proclamation which invoked the second upheaval and the same Roman answer as in 64 AC.
The Resurrection was not the issue that bothered the Romans. They didn't belief in the resurrection in any form. The point was they did understand it as a new heir on the throne of David and that was the reason for persecution.
Also Paul was sentenced to death by Felix for causing upheaval because what he says about the person of Jesus: that he was the messiah born out of the house of David (Letter of Corinthians).
Only this was the real reason of the persecution.
Hey! Just wanted to say that I’m a new subscriber and I love your work! I’m young & still learning, but have a passion for Theology. One thing I noticed was that you (along with countless other apologists) call James Jesus’ brother. Most people believe that Jesus had brothers and possibly sisters. From my studying (I’m open to being wrong - this is just what I’ve found from my own research) is that Jesus did not have any brothers or sisters. The Greek word for brother is the same word as cousin. Also, on the cross, Jesus told John to behold his mother. This assumes first of all that Joseph was dead at the point, and secondly that Jesus had no brothers. He might have had sisters, but he never mentioned for John to take care of them too. Jesus gave John the job of taking care of his mother, meaning we would have no other sons to take care of her. Just wondering what your opinion is on this?
They’ve also been speculated to be Joseph’s kids from a previous marriage, making them Jesus’ step siblings. Would Jesus making John Mary’s guardian still make sense historically?
Wow! You have comments open. Could you debunk Paulogia's debunking of your video?
Nope, cus facts aren't on his side. lol.
That'll be the day. His lost little sheep might stumble upon it and he would soon have to get honest work.
wow , real solid .. thanks Mike
Hi. Could you do a response to CosmicSkeptics video on free will. That would be cool
When skeptics don’t want to accept the facts and evidence and lie to themselves to try and not look like fools. They come up with silly explanations: the letter is forged, they suffered from persecution complex, they were seeking attention, they weren’t really martyred.....🤦🏻♀️
Repent and believe. The evidence is good. Is not about us winning an argument, you have everything to loose.
I think that Paul was so sure about Christ resurrection that in 1 Cor 15 he states that if it didn’t happened (literally) then we should abandon Christianity in full. How sure you have to be to state that? It would’ve been so easy back then to disprove it. And he didn’t even went around the idea that if it wasn’t a bodily resurrection, then it was a spiritual one and we should still believe. Nope....it’s bodily or it’s false. No in the middle.
Hurl false insults all you want but it won't change the fact that this guy is lying and taking people's money for making his fraud entertaining. It's truly sad.
Part 1
Here’s my research on the topic.
I’ll make the case around 4 people key to the rise of
Christianity, Peter son of Jonah, John son of Zebedee, James
son of Joseph (Jesus’ brother) and Paul (Saul) of Tarsus. That these
four men were real historical figures, that they believed Jesus was their risen
Lord and that they died as a result of their faith. All being eyewitnesses to seeing
Jesus perform miracles* and see him after he rose from the dead. (*Except Paul
seeing Christ’s miracles).
As these four men are accounted of outside of the New Testament, Peter
is mentioned by Clement of Rome (35-100 AD) who also knew Paul, and also
by Ignatius of Antioch James is known outside the New Testament by his
death recorded by Josephus and John had two disciples, Polycarp (69-155
AD) and Ignatius of Antioch (35-107 AD). It’s very safe to say these were real
historical figures.
These three men (Clement of Rome, Polycarp and Ignatius) also had
quoted from 25 out of the 27 books of the New Testament by 95-110 A.D, proving
that the New Testament books were written within the first century, and also in
the life time of eyewitnesses to Jesus.
These four men (Peter, Paul, James and John) wrote letters that
appear in the New Testament, Paul’s many letters, Peter writing
1&2 Peter, John writing 1,2,3 John and Revelation and James writing
his letter.
And of course, John was the author of his Gospel.
Polycarp (69-155 AD) was a disciple of John, and had a
student named Irenaeus who recorded much of his work. As a student of Polycarp
who wrote of his discourses with the apostle John, there was no doubt for
Irenaeus who authored the Fourth Gospel. He wrote,
“John, the disciple of the Lord, who leaned back on his breast, published the
Gospel while he was resident at Ephesus in Asia.”
The Gospel of Mark is Peter’s
narrative of his time with Jesus, written down by John Mark. Mark is mentioned as a
companion of Barnabas and Paul during their travels together.
Irenaeus (A.D. 130-200) writes,
“After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also
hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter.”
Papias of Hierapolis (A.D. 60-130) writes,
“…... Mark having become the interpreter of Peter,
wrote down accurately whatsoever he remembered. It was not, however, in exact
order that he related the sayings or deeds of Christ. For he neither heard the
Lord nor accompanied Him. But afterwards, as I said, he accompanied Peter, who
accommodated his instructions to the necessities [of his hearers], but with no
intention of giving a regular narrative of the Lord’s sayings….”
Clement of Alexandria (ca.150- ca.215 A.D), wrote that
those who heard Peter’s teaching “were not
satisfied with merely a single hearing or with the unwritten teaching of the divine
Gospel, but with all sorts of entreaties they besought Mark, who was a follower
of Peter and whose Gospel is extant, to leave behind with them in writing a
record of the teaching passed on to them orally”
Some
quotes from these men assure their witness. All these men say they believe in
Jesus as their Lord.
Peter “We did not follow cleverly invented
stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
be we were eyewitnesses of his majesty” 2 Peter 1:16.
He goes on to say that He, James* and John, witnessed the
transfiguration of Jesus. (Matthew 17:1)
* The James mentioned here was John’s brother.
Paul “Paul, an apostle - sent not from
men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the father, who raised him from the
dead…” Galatians 1:1
James “… As believers in our glorious Lord
Jesus Christ…” James 2:1
John “I, John your brother and companion in
the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on
the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus” Revelation 1:9
Paul accounted Jesus on the Road to Damascus (Acts 9:3-8, Acts 22:6-11)
now what gives this event credibility is that the men traveling with him heard
the voice to, though didn’t understand it, and they saw the light but didn’t see
anyone. So his account with Jesus wasn’t a single man’s testimony he had
witnesses to verify his account.
In Paul’s letter to the Galatians he talks of meeting with Peter,
James and John and saying they had nothing to add to his Gospel
message. Nothing had changed of preaching Christ risen. They were all on the
same page, same mind.
Paul states in 1Cor 15:3-8 that Peter, John (he being
one of the twelve disciples) James and himself, witnessed the
risen Jesus “For what I received I passed on to
you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the
Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas (Peter), and then to the Twelve.
After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and
sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have
fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the
apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally
born”.
Almost all scholars agree that 1 Corinthians was written by the
apostle Paul in the early 50’s AD, that’s only 20 years after the death of
Jesus. Therefore, it’s dramatic that Paul includes the passage “of whom the greater part remain onto this present, but some
have fallen asleep.” Paul was inviting people to check out the facts. Talk to some of
these 500 people yourselves. He wouldn’t have included a statement like that if
he was trying to hide something like a conspiracy, hoax, myth or legend.
Part 2
Here we have four eyewitnesses to Jesus. Four men the early church could ask for their story on the events of Jesus.
These men are also recorded of in their persecutions and deaths. They were all went to the end of their lives believing that they had witnessed Jesus’ miracles, his majesty and him risen from the dead.
Firstly Peter, who is written of by Clement of Rome:
“By reason of jealousy and envy the greatest and most righteous pillars of the Church were persecuted and contended even unto death. Let us set before our eyes the good Apostles. There was Peter who by reason of unrighteous jealousy endured not one not one but many labors, and thus having borne his testimony went to his appointed place of glory”
Here Clement knowledge’s that the pillars of the Church ie the apostles were persecuted and even to their deaths.
Paul, written of by Polycarp, Ignatius, Tertullian (see John) and Clement of Rome:
Ignatius of Antioch “Paul, a real saint and martyr, who deserves to be congratulated”
Clement of Rome: “By reason of jealousy and strife Paul by his example pointed out the prize of patient endurance. After that he had been seven times in bonds, had been driven into exile, had been stoned, had preached in the East and in the West, he won the noble renown which was the reward of his faith… and when he had borne his testimony before the rulers, so he departed from the world and went unto the holy place, having been found a notable pattern of patient endurance”.
Polycarp - “For neither am I, nor is any other like unto me, able to follow the wisdom of the blessed and glorious Paul, who when he came among you taught face to face with the men of that day the word which concerneth truth carefully and surely; who also, when he was absent, wrote a letter unto you, into the which if ye look diligently, ye shall be able to be builded up unto the faith given to you”
Though not talking directly about Paul’s death, he does hold him in high esteem and the fact that Paul was living out his beliefs. The term “glorious” is usually a term of the righteous dead.
James, Brother of Jesus, written of by Josephus in his death by the Jewish Sanhedrin:
“Festus now dead, and with Albinus was but upon the road; so he [Ananus the high priest] assembled the Sanhedrin of the judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others [or some of his companions], and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned”
The Jews had lost their authority for capital punishment, in about 7 A.D a Roman procurator, Caponius, removed the legal powers of the Sanhedrin, including capital punishment. That’s why the Sanhedrin had to go to Pilate when they wanted Christ to be executed. Josephus revealed how the new high priest of the Jews (Ananus the younger) took advantage of a gap in the Roman rule to kill James. It was 62 A.D, and the Roman governor Festus died suddenly in office. Three months elapsed before his successor, Albinus, could get to Judea, allowing ample time for Ananus to do his dirty work.
Now to be stoned by the Jewish authority’s he must have thought to have been breaking some law that required this action. The only law, which going by James upright character, that he could have really been thought guilty of, is the law of blasphemy. Most likely calling Jesus the son of God. The equal of God. Which is the Jewish culture this was blasphemy calling a man the equal of God. This was also the charge the Jews accused Jesus Christ of, the high priest Caiaphas saying at his trial “He has spoken blasphemy”, … “He is worthy of death” the teachers of law and elders answered.
And lastly John, is the only one of the company generally thought to have died a natural death from old age, although he did have his trials with persecution.
Tertullian: “Since, moreover, you are close upon Italy, you have Rome, from which there comes even into our own hands the very authority (of the apostles themselves). How happy is its church, on which apostles poured forth all their doctrine along with their blood; where Peter endures a passion like his Lord’s; where Paul wins his crown in a death like *John [the Baptist]’s; where the Apostle John was first plunged, unhurt, into boiling oil, and thence remitted to his island-exile” *John the Baptist was beheaded by King Herod, Paul being a Roman citizen was probably executed the same way.
By order of the Roman Emperor, Domitian, John was exiled to slave labour in the mines on the island of Patmos. Domitian ordered his exile because he saw John as a threat to his rule. However, his popularity and influence in the Christian community continued through correspondence with all the churches. When he was released from exile, he returned to Ephesus. John founded and built churches all through Asia until he was old, and died the sixty-eighth year after our Lord's passion, peacefully in Ephesus.
No other religion has this many eyewitnesses to its main claim, usually it’s the case of one man’s testimony, or a vision a man has, such as Muhammad, Joseph Smith and the list goes on. The events of Jesus’ lifetime were on public display, his healings, miracles, teachings and his greatest hour, the Resurrection. Four sober eyewitnesses, who refuse to recant their testimony even under the threat of death, would convict anyone of anything in a court of law. Such eyewitness testimony yields a verdict that is certain beyond a reasonable doubt. Unless you were there yourself, you can’t be any more certain than those historical events actually occurred.
The New Testament books have been proven time and time again to be correct about events, locations and people. The New Testament includes over thirty public figures which are confirmed in secular sources or archaeology. Luke the author of his Gospel, interviewed eyewitnesses, but he is merely confirming the story of Jesus that Theophilus already knows. (Luke 1:4). That does not leave room to fabricate his story about Jesus. The book of Acts contains 84 identified facts alone in its last 16 chapters, even the Gospel of John that confines events to the Holy land contains at least 59 historically confirmed/historically probable details.
One of the interesting facts of history, is that among those 30 public figures, there was no rebuttals to the claims made by the New Testament writers, nothing from them or their families or employees etc.
Part 3
Some interesting quotes outside the New Testament accounts about Jesus' healing Miracles.
Quadratus of Athens, who wrote to the Roman emperor in the early 2nd century and Papias of Hierapolis.
“But the works of our Saviour (Jesus) were always present, for they were true, those that were healed, those that rose from the dead, who were seen not only when they were raised but were constantly present; and not only while the Saviour was living, but even after he had gone they were alive for a long time, so that some of them survived even to our own time”
Quadratus of Athens to the Emperor Hadrian, 125 AD.
This is the argument Quadratus gave: firstly, we know that Christ performed miracles because we have either seen them with our own eyes or know someone who has seen the miracles or has experienced them firsthand. The Gospels tell of many young children whom Jesus healed or raised from the dead. It is not unthinkable that some such children whom Jesus had healed around 30-33 A.D lived on into the early 2nd century.
Second, we know that those who were healed or raised from the dead continued on in good health for many years-some were still alive during Quadratus’ lifetime.
This account is also confirmed by Papias (c. 60-130 A.D. He not only knew at least two firsthand eyewitnesses to Jesus (the apostle John and another disciple named Aristion), he also interviewed many others who knew other apostles and disciples of Jesus. From these, he gathered enough eyewitness testimony to fill five volumes. (Now lost, only quotes exist now) Furthermore, he provides historical confirmation of Jesus' miracles: "As for those who were raised from the dead by Christ, he states that they survived until the time of Hadrian”.
While I appreciate the effort... you are merely repeating early catholic dogma.
Donald Trump spent 4 years lying to the entire planet on live TV.. He could have easily claim 500 people rose from dead. His supporters would have believed him..his detractors would not. Paul was no different. I am sure many laughed at his 500 claim and for the true believers.. they would take him at face value.
We know that paul had access to a creed.. it is a short leap to assume he wrote his fan fiction based on this.
Many religions only require 1 mad zealot to start a religion.. here we have two Peter and Paul. It is hardly surprising that Christianity took off so fast.
@@magicker8052 Exactly, Trump can be easy exposed by someone who could investigate his claims.
Paul makes a statement, that can be easily falsified. Probably why he wasn’t re-elected again. If Paul’s claims could easily be falsified and the costs of falsification were high, then he would ensure his claims were not mistaken. Also with the 500, there are the disciples of Jesus, Jesus’ brother James, Matthias, Barsabbas, the women who meet Jesus to question.
Christianity is different to other religions, in that it was public one. Islam has Muhammed receiving a vision, but its one man’s testimony, same as Joseph Smith. But Christianity has all these eye witness accounts and are named. Since the Gospels are written before Paul’s letters, (Paul quotes from Luke twice, and Luke in his intro says he uses eye witness accounts ie Matthew and Mark), this all puts the story of Jesus in the timeframe of hostile eye witnesses. They could easily rebuttal claims made by the authors, such as Matthew saying the Jewish leaders spread the story that the disciples stole the body of Jesus. Especially natural public events like the Three hours of darkness. (Which is confirmed in secular sources).
@@farmercraig6080 wishful thinking with dollops of "for the bible tells me so" There are people who think Trump is coming back. They don't believe he lied at all. Despite hundreds of websites proving when he did. Do you think Paul err I mean Trumps followers care? Neither would early Christians.
Im from Manchester, England and let me tell you, that that accent was horrific! LOL ... good video though! God bless
I don't get it. Really I don't. Why is it so difficult to differentiate between claim and evidence? I've just come from the Matt Dillahunty video so you were schooled and should know what this is. So why not try and be honest? Just a bit?
Tacitus does not mention Jesus and simply repeats hearsay about Christians, decades later and 1000 kms away.
@Resurrected Eyes Ministries "Why is this so difficult to understand"
Exactly my question. Tacitus does not mention any Jesus and only repeats hearsay about what Christians say what happened decades earlier and 1000s of miles away. This is not a tactic but facts.
I don't care who believed what. If you don't care what is true that is entirely your problem. My level of ethics, integrity and authenticity are obviously of a higher standard.
@Resurrected Eyes Ministries Patting yourself on the shoulder while screwing up badly does not impress anyone.
@Resurrected Eyes Ministries
Perhaps I should point out that Tacitus wasn't even _born_ until several decades after Jesus supposedly died. So why do you think he'd know anything about it, other than just hearsay?
@Resurrected Eyes Christ merely meant "anointed one". There were many Christs during the centuries in that era jesus was supposed to be born and centuries after. So the followers of which "anointed one" was he referring to?
This is not just a question atheists ask..it's the question majority of theists in the world also ask as majority of theists don't recognise jesus even existed let alone was a god.
Your ignorance of basic history and your own ideologies history is common as most Christians. But Steve is correct, Tacitus does not mention jesus and only repeats hearsay about what Christians claimed. which Christians, we don't know. And it can ONLY be hearsay as Tacitus wasn't even alive when the modern conception of the claimed 'anointed joshua' was supposed to die.
So to recap.. neither James or Peter claim to have seen the rised christ and we have no evidence either was given an opportunity to recant at their death..
But apart from that top job.. well done.
I think this tips over from wishful thinking to basic deceit
Did you actually watch the video?
@@urielmarkander1128 yes.. the guy is clueless. Believes ANYTHING that supports what he wants to believe and dismisses everything to the contrary.
Dude, it literally sounds like you are describing yourself! Both men attested fo seeing the risen Christ, as he points out in the video. Also, you have no proof that they weren't given a chance to recant. We know that the Romans a few years down the road, for instance would give them a chance to recant. Also, the sources make it clear that they knew they would be persecuted and killed for proclaiming Jesus, but they did so anyway.
@@urielmarkander1128 Needless to say.. millions of people from all sorts of religious backgrounds have martyred themselves... so what. At this point the evangelical will state "ah but why would someone who knows that Jesus did not die allow themselves to be martyred" The same reason people crash planes into buildings. People can convince themselves of anything regardless if it happened or not. Some people just want to make a name for themselves. This happens so many times throughout history it is boring.
Historically speaking we have very little evidence that those who claim (in their own words) to have seen a risen Jesus were prepared to die for it. Peter is perhaps the only candidate for this. Paul was willing to die on the back of a dodgy vision. James the brother of Jesus was clearly executed for political reasons. It does not matter what he saw, thought he saw, or was prepared to recant. He was executed regardless. The remainder are essentially early catholic church traditions which ironically modern evangelicals now treat with the same sort of Sacred Truth they apply to the books that appear in the modern bible.
The courage of the apostles, selflessly giving up their lives for Christ does not stem from some physical resurrection. Back in 1844 when a new movement named the Bábi movement started by the claims of Siyyid Ali Muhammad, titled the Báb which means “The Gate” in Arabic, thousands of the Bábis were given the chance to recant their faith or else die by the worst deaths known to humankind, yet the followers of the Báb chose death over recanting their faiths. The Báb was executed by being suspended by a rope and 750 riflemen were ordered by the Shah and his prime minister and religious leaders of the time (in the 19th century) to fire their rifles at the suspended bodies of the Báb and one of his young followers who was tied by ropes on his chest. After that unsightly scene, their bodies were thrown right outside of the city moat and soldiers were placed there in order to prevent their bodies to be stolen by the Báb’s disciples and make sure the wild animals consume the remains of the bodies. But the bodies were still managed to be stolen by his disciples and were secretly transferred to a silk factory, and for 65 years it was secretly moved from place to place and finally it reached to Mount Carmel, Haifa, Israel and ceremoniously they were put to rest.
My point is, there was no need for a resurrection for the Cause of the Báb to take roots and grow rapidly, and having his followers willingly lay their lives for the love and the truth of the Cause of the Báb.
During the time of the Lord Jesus the Christ, all the 12 disciples had ran away in fear of being killed, but in the case of the Báb, NOT 12, but thousands upon thousands of his followers were openly willing to die the most gruesome deaths known to man for the Cause of the Báb, and in fact, they did. So, it is not the literal physical resurrection that can empower the hearts of the followers to courageously give up their lives willingly, but the power of the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that reinforces and completely transforms the followers of the founders of world religions. History of the Báb and Bahá’u’lláh (the Baha’i Faith) are the irrefutable proofs of that! The Apostles of Christ were also helped and reinforced by the Holy Spiritual in mysterious ways which also involved the appearances of Jesus Christ whenever necessary. These appearances do not have to be physical at all!
Question isn't their details in acts that the person who wrote it had to be their during the time of their events?
Acts was written by luke. Like explained his methodology st the beginning of luke.
He based his writings off of interviewing people about what they saw and collected them to create a coherent account.
Those killed in ACTS aren't Luke. In the case of the death of James and Stephen it's clearly based on people there since they're not from a first person view, and both were either in public (Stephen) or infamous (James). Paul and Peters deaths take place after Acts.
Oh yeah you mention that
Do our pets have souls?
@Terncote bruh we chose to do that
bollocks
You forgot Thallus, Mara bar serapion and rabbi eliezar
Wow,you weren't lying when you said the book was redculously expensive.
Almost like they are in it purely for the money.
I’m pretty sure “for the Bible tells me so” has context to it that you aren’t acknowledging. Even if you feel you have an explanation for it, the comment would seem fitting. If it’s only located in the Bible, then “for the Bible tells me so”, or is that not how you understood it?
Unfortunately the context is that atheist TH-camr Paulogia dismisses things in the Bible with the phrase “for the Bible tells me so”. He responded to a full study I did on ways to verify the factual nature of what the Bible says by tweeting out that my video was (if I recall correctly) “43 minutes of ‘for the Bible tells me so’”.
Here’s that video. th-cam.com/video/5hub-6Kg678/w-d-xo.html
I only mention Paulogia because he is becoming a source for many skeptics online and this sort of thinking is irrational. I could similarly dismiss Josephus as “for Josephus tells me so” or dismiss philosophy as “for philosophers tell me so” or dismiss Paulogia the same way. It requires no reasoning or critical thought.
Schrish Zen
We could have further discussion but I guess, Alan Watts told you so.
Bird brings the Word if I said something and the only source was watts, then “for watts tells me so would fit”
Mike Winger I’ll check out your vid and Paul’s again
Schrish Zen
Yes! So even in that case, it doesn’t necessarily mean that it is a negative thing or at all any unreliable source, nor that it degrades the possible value of any contributing evidence if you cite a lone source. Albeit in the case of Scripture these are all multiple sources of varying persons collected into one binding.
It seems dishonest to the Bible to denounce it based on the misconception it is a source alone and of itself some authority with out checks and balances, as well as being a collective of separate scrolls, poems, essays, literary historical narratives, letters and testimonies. Persons of authorship even referencing to one another in organic conversation.
Anyway, Have a lovely evening brother. I obviously mean you no ill will, and blessings to you and your loved ones.
(I was an atheist before, and no one convinced me and I don’t force it, it’s all open with invitation of the individual. You just have to search for things of your own courage and be honest with integrity of your findings.)
We, the Jews, continue to reject Jesus. Nothing different then compared to now and for the same reasons.
D H actually there are over 300,000 Jews that believe Jesus is the messiah and came to Christ through the scriptures. That’s more Jews that believe in Jesus as the messiah in this world than Hasidic Jews which number around 200,000. Dr. Micheal brown is a messianic Jew and Christian apologist that proves Jesus is the messiah mostly using the Old Testament. His doctorate is in Hebrew studies and firmly understands Jewish religious teachings and debates rabbi’s bringing many to Christ. Christ comes from the Greek word meaning messiah in case you did not know. So no Jews don’t reject Christ large amounts realize he is truly the messiah.
@@forgiven1683 Jews that believe Jesus is the messiah are called christians.
Mike, check out The Arminian Bible Commentary on Amazon.
Which Bible is that, @@peregrino9154?
If it was a local flood why would Noah build a boat? Wouldnt he just move away
I Am Redeemed my question is how the exponential growth of the human population rose to 7 billion within the time span of 4,000-6,000 years to present day
@@sarahscribbles2160 It's not possible.. lack of medical technology and resources.. tribalism, etc., back then.. Also, many documented cultures that existed pre-flood, continued post-flood.
can you share me the link with these cultures?
@@joanyluvschachi Most Christians believe that the flood took place around 2300 BCE. If you agree, this would place the flood of Noah around 4,300 years ago, give or take. I'll provide some examples of ancient civilizations which exited long before 2300 BCE and continued to exist long after 2300 BCE. I'm not going to mention cultures which didn't write at this point in history, such as the ancient American populations, including Paleo-Indians, even though we have strong archaeological evidence that they continually populated N. and S. America for tens of thousands of years up till the present.
The Sumerians date back to around 5000 BCE from migrating groups of West Asia. The land of Sumer was conquered by the Akkadians around 2270 BCE but the Sumarian culture and language continued with widespread use many hundreds of years past that time. It wasn't until around 1700 BCE that these two cultures started to loose their population numbers which were as high as 80,000 in number. The Sumerian language continued to be used as a sacred, ceremonial, literary, and scientific language in Babylonia and Assyria until the 1st century CE. There is a clear continuity of Sumarian culture, writings, and art, starting thousands of years before the "global flood" and thousands of years after, without a major end to this culture. One might expect from the elimination of all cultures apart from Noah's we would have seen an end to the Sumarians. Search for more info. on the Sumerians, there will be thousands of reputable sites for you to research.
The ancient Egyptians coalesced around 3100 BC until other societies including the Romans started to reduce Egyptian populations thousands of years later. The important thing to remember is that Egyptians had a rich culture and language, much like the Sumarians, which did not abruptly end around 2300 BCE(date of the flood). The ancient Egyptian language of Hieroglyphics started from previous proto-hieroglyphic symbols around 3000 BCE Hieroglyphs continued to be used under Persian rule, and began to fade out around 500 BCE. Do you think that Noah's decedents revived this ancient language and culture in addition to his own after the flood? Logically, if a global flood had occurred, this culture and language would have ceased to exist.
Ancient Chinese cultures were writing in symbols as early as 6000 BCE and continue to use a similar pattern and characters of written language that are still in use today. If the flood would have occurred, it's doubtful that ancestors to Noah would have felt the need to continue the exact same culture and art of the ancient Chinese.. as it existed before the flood..
Even without written language, it's very clear that many other cultures were not wiped out after the purported time of a global flood by simply looking at archaeology. However, language leaves a very clear set of evidence for those Christians which may deny everything but the most obvious evidence. Other Christians simply don't care about evidence and won't do any research. I encourage you to do more research! I would focus on the Sumerians or Egyptians. Tons of info., just on those two cultures.
It also might be a good idea to check out the flood story in The Epic of Gilgamesh(Sumerians) which predates Genesis by at least 1,000 years.
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yeah 2 peter 3:6
Aren't they doing the same thing, don't listen to the Bible because they say so?
Oh Pastor Mike said it so I know it must be true ..... or something. Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies.
Please enlighten me with the historical truth here. Seems like he used many historical sources. What do you have to debunk this?
@@randallwilliams5557 That's an argument from ignorance: _"The pastor is right until you prove him wrong."_
@@antoniorobles8706 No cupcake, if you want to call out something as wrong, it is on you to bring the evidence to support your claim. Otherwise you are at best a heckler.
@@randallwilliams5557 I'm not calling him wrong, I'm saying that I'm remain unconvinced until you present evidence to support your claim.
@@antoniorobles8706 He did bring evidence. I understand if you are not convinced though. I would watch more of his video as, and look into the evidence that he brings forth and weigh it out as well.
I think the other guy won.
Check out Paulogia's response to this video. Sorry Mike, just more unsubstantiated "facts" from unreliable sources to fit your feelings/Hope's for what the truth is.
c marbell Jesus is Lord, Mike’s a very wise and great teacher. All you did was attack him, and did nothing to disprove him.
@@llllllllllllllIIlIllIIllIIIIll No attack was made, clearly. I dont need to disprove him as I already referenced the video that does that very thing. Also, you say "Jesus is lord"...can you provide any evidence of that?
@@cmarble5365 I watched Paulogias video response and I can say that he was citing the same things that Mike said just with out thinking it thorough. Paulogia seems to amply that they had to state the! Selves that they saw him, and they have to have a chance to recant to be considered martys. ok let's try both of them. First did the apostles James peter and Paul stated that they saw him? Well Paulogia said that we have actual writings of Paul that states that he saw a resurrected jesus, so Paul is cleared. But what about the other two? Well as Paulogia says we have we don't have any writtings of Peter and james that state that they saw him. But we have a very early creed from The apostle Paul in Corinthians 15:3-8 that that dates to around months or even (at most) 5 years after Jesus death(it is even accepted by scholars like Bart Herman and so on). In the creed it is stated that Jesus appeared to the twelve and then to Paul and then to james . Thus saying that we have early confessions from the apostles and James recorded by Paul that they saw Jesus after death. So check on that. Now did they get a chance to recant? Paulogia says no because the scripture that Mike cites (John) was written in 170-177 AD. Well we have writtings in Matthew 10:16-24 Jesus says that the disciples were going to suffer because of him. Now we all know that Matthew was written before John( Around 60 AD) so yes they had a chance to recant because Jesus was telling them how much they are going to suffer before it started to happen. And also Paulogia says that they (the early church)were brutally murdered because Nero told accused them of burning down the street, that's all. But this is why I said that Pauogia did not think that thorough. First we need to ask "why Nero blamed the Christian in the first place?" Well some people might say that they were already trouble makers. But thats Not right because the early church did not want any trouble they wanted to spread the teachings of Jesus in Rome. No problem right? No! Christians were constantly calling out the gods and goddesses of the cults practices in Rome. Paul calls out the abominations and horrors of cults, so people started to hate Christians because they were a threat to their ways of living. Now Nero seeing that the people in Rome already hated Christians, decided to put the blame on them because he knew that the people are not going to try to rebuke him. Now the letter that says that Paul and Peter were killed because of envy and jealousy and that is it. Again he did not think it thorough. What was the cause of the jealousy and envy that they died for? It was not their life styles because being an apostle at that time is like being seen as a plague that had to be exterminated, and it was not popularity because people hated them because the apostles where constantly calling them out for their sin. So what is the cause of this jealousy and envy? I can think of only two things. The amount of attention they were getting, and the disciples were ca point the cult leaders and their gods an e goddesses out.let me explain: the early church preached that Jesus is LORD and salvation come through him. Some people hated that but other people repented and followed jesus. This decreased the popularity and authority of the cult leaders. So as much that people rejected the message of the gospels others turned and followed Jesus and that was killing the cult leaders careers.So they were jealous that these Jewish man were getting more respect and authority than those leaders, also the apostles called out the sins of the cult leaders the most the most. Calling them liars and their gods and goddesses man made invention who have no power, and they were saying that the only way to be saved is thorough Jesus alone, that obviously contradicted their beliefs and the gospels called their beliefs evil and an abomination. There is my answer answer me back when you have chance. God bless!
@A J the thing is Martyrdom by itself cant prove that Jesus rose, there are a bunch of evidences that Jesus rose but if we isolate each one of them it can be easily refuted but together they make a solid case. if we treat Martyrdom as Our BEST evidence Christianity is doomed, you can prove Islam with martyrdom too. we have to analyze the evidences we got all together not isolate one and make case out of that one, for example if Person 1 is in court because he killed person b and they examine only one evidence "that person 1 abused person b" is this really enough evidence to plead him guilty?
put all the evidence that we have on the table and then analyze it as a whole. don't isolate one peace of evidence and conclude that there fore Christianity is false. God bless.
@A J Please watch Inspiring philosophy video series on the resurrection, he will explain it better than I ever will to you. watch the series and see if you can refute his claims. I know I sound desperate right know but I am a young Christian and I already gave you what I knew and that was not enough. please watch experienced Christians in this field. PLEASE watch the series and then try to refute it. Don't do it for me, do it for your self and your seek of knowledge
lol! You spend an hour saying you are going to provide exactly what skeptics demand. And drone on and on and on and never provide anything. lol
Yup. Not a single thing. What a fraud.
You probably sat alone at lunch in highschool
You obviously didn't listen to what he said. He provided a lot of good evidence.
@@Darrel_OwenWatch Paulogia’s response to this video
My best evidence the deaths of the Apostles. Hey the resurrection occurred or it did not. Mic drop
The courage of the apostles, selflessly giving up their lives for Christ does not stem from some physical resurrection. Back in 1844 when a new movement named the Bábi movement started by the claims of Siyyid Ali Muhammad, titled the Báb which means “The Gate” in Arabic, thousands of the Bábis were given the chance to recant their faith or else die by the worst deaths known to humankind, yet the followers of the Báb chose death over recanting their faiths. The Báb was executed by being suspended by a rope and 750 riflemen were ordered by the Shah and his prime minister and religious leaders of the time (in the 19th century) to fire their rifles at the suspended bodies of the Báb and one of his young followers who was tied by ropes on his chest. After that unsightly scene, their bodies were thrown right outside of the city moat and soldiers were placed there in order to prevent their bodies to be stolen by the Báb’s disciples and make sure the wild animals consume the remains of the bodies. But the bodies were still managed to be stolen by his disciples and were secretly transferred to a silk factory, and for 65 years it was secretly moved from place to place and finally it reached to Mount Carmel, Haifa, Israel and ceremoniously they were put to rest.
My point is, there was no need for a resurrection for the Cause of the Báb to take roots and grow rapidly, and having his followers willingly lay their lives for the love and the truth of the Cause of the Báb.
During the time of the Lord Jesus the Christ, all the 12 disciples had ran away in fear of being killed, but in the case of the Báb, NOT 12, but thousands upon thousands of his followers were openly willing to die the most gruesome deaths known to man for the Cause of the Báb, and in fact, they did. So, it is not the literal physical resurrection that can empower the hearts of the followers to courageously give up their lives willingly, but the power of the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that reinforces and completely transforms the followers of the founders of world religions. History of the Báb and Bahá’u’lláh (the Baha’i Faith) are the irrefutable proofs of that! The Apostles of Christ were also helped and reinforced by the Holy Spiritual in mysterious ways which also involved the appearances of Jesus Christ whenever necessary. These appearances do not have to be physical at all!
You don't know what the word "evidence" means.
ev·i·dence
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noun
1.
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"
synonyms:proof, confirmation, verification, substantiation, corroboration, affirmation, authentication, attestation, documentation;
support for, backing for,reinforcement for, grounds for
"they found evidence of his participation in the burglary"
I think you needed this definition as you might not understand the word means.
@@randallwilliams5557 who are you talking to? me or Mike Winger?
This is weak! You would have to be a fully blind folded Christian to buy into this argument. Nothing in John gives evidence for Peter's martyrdom other than your wishful thinking.. which is kinda sick if you think about it.. and Peter himself never claims to see jesus.. you know better than Peter himself?? The sheer desperate arrogance is amazing.
Yes, just ignore the consensus in historical studies on this subject. Just listen to Mike's regurgitation of unsubstantiated Christian traditional tall tales. lol
They're not tall tales
@The Great Skitimus “Martyrdoms would rarely lead to conversions because they were themselves relatively rare.
The vast majority of pagans-including the millions who eventually converted-never saw a martyrdom, as recent scholarship has shown.
As the most prolific and one of the best-traveled authors of the first three Christian centuries, Origen of Alexandria, stated in no uncertain terms: “Only a small number of people, easily counted, have died for the Christian religion.”
― Bart D. Ehrman, The Triumph of Christianity: How a Small Band of Outcasts Conquered an Empire
“Nero did not, technically speaking, prosecute Christians for being Christian. He executed them for committing arson.
True, they probably were not guilty, but that was the charge. Being a Christian was not punishable, but setting fire to Rome was.
Nero’s persecution was localized. It involved only the city of Rome. Nothing indicates that Christians elsewhere in the empire suffered any consequences.
Even more significant, it appears that none of Nero’s successors down to Trajan (ruled 98-117 CE) persecuted Christians.
Between Nero in 64 CE and Marcus Aurelius in 177 CE, the only mention of an emperor’s intervention in Christian affairs, apart from the episode involving Trajan found in Pliny’s letters, is a letter from the emperor Hadrian that gives instructions to a local governor to conduct his trials against the Christians fairly.”
― Bart D. Ehrman, The Triumph of Christianity: How a Small Band of Outcasts Conquered an Empire
Another book you should read is The Myth of Persecution by Candida Moss. It also argues that the Christian tradition of persecution claims are greatly exaggerated to almost the point of being unbelievable.
Where there is absolutely no evidence for systematic persecution of Christians because of what they believed in.
@The Great Skitimus Oh, what facts have I ignored? Care to elaborate?
Bruh You're still trolling 😁😂
@@agnosticatheist7529 You accused Mike of telling Tall tales when nothing mentioned was factually inerrant.
You not only misrepresent almost everything but you frequently lie. I wonder if anyone in the 21st century is gullible enough to believe that you people have any actual rules of conduct or ethics. I don't doubt that you have wonderful excuses for why you lie so much but this is damaging and you thereby get totally unearned money from people you trick. I'm disgusted. I wish you'd come clean and get honest work.... for your sake and that of your victims. {sigh}
Would YOU die for your beliefs, not having seen a living Jesus? Plenty of other religions' followers would. Also, there's no good reason to believe the people in the bible saw more than a vision AND the entire argument rests on using claims in the bible to prove claims in the bible. One can really tell why the best apologists christianity has to offer blends into the worst, bottom of the barrel young/flat earth creationists seamlessly...