What on earth is a "Roller Mouse"??
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- There are some weird ergonomic mice out there, but... can you still call it a mouse if it's not shaped like one?
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I want to see a LTT Counter Strike game where every contestant uses a different kind of ergonomic mouse or other ill fitted gaming equipment.
YES!
Thanks a lot jerk, now I want to see it too!
ill get my gaming drums again.
I would love to see that, in the late 90's my friends dad had a mouse that was just a scroll ball that you would move with your thumb. The actual mouse never moved.
@@MosestheGrey I believe you're talking about a trackball.
People don't give Riley enough credit. This was actually a really informative and entertaining review.
Riley is high key my favorite LTT member
I love the different take he brings to LTT. #RILEYTAKEOVER
Agreed!
I really like riley, and was happy he was brought in from NCIX
His raison d'etre is bringing the news to the people.
Why haven't anyone just build the mouse inside the keyboard already??
*ThinkPad red eye staring hard*
Alia Ris because they’ve already done that.... although I can’t tell if your being sarcastic 🤷🏼♂️
@@thegamerboy1000 are you dumb?
like laptop?
I’ve used one of those things before, the only problem is that it moves so god damn fast!
@@thegamerboy1000 r/woooosh
Lets laugh together guys and Linus will cry 6:46 rip number 8 pool ball and vase.
Rafail1911 I could not stop laughing at this 😂
@@gibby3350 same here specially knowing Linus lost his mind that this happened for nothing but comments like this.
Whoever wrote the introduction sketch should get a promotion, it was genuinely really, really funny!
And probably a raise
Even if it's just a dollar
A single Canadian dollar
Amateur Theater at his best :D
i expect your Netflix exclusive series by the end of next week.
¡ay Dios mio!
1 get-out-of-lucky-room card
"It's kinda janky, but not as janky as it looks" perfect way to talk about linus tech tips LOL
Well, at least when they do comedy.
missed segway opportunity though: "But do you know that's not janky? Private Internet Access!"
@@IanMustafa That's Linus's trademark segway
@@Someone_on_youtube_app Fair enough
Still, use this at work and it has helped with my shoulder ache, using thumbs on the roller bar which works best for me. Still the mouse is connected for when I need to do superfast Excel work .. but for 80%+ of my time the roller mouse is tha sh*t. I would never use it for gaming - and that is also not the intened use IMHO.
6:50 - That knowing and all enjoying 'destruction laughter' is a delight to hear.... ANYTIME & ANYWHERE!!!!
Did you know the roller bar actually clicks too? So two hands it not needed. I don't move my wrist at all while using it, i simply move my the finger i am using on the roller back and forth. Very little movement is actually needed to move the mouse far. The copy and paste buttons are a game changer for anyone who does a lot of that or works with spreadsheets. and of course the double click button comes in handy.
I have been using mine since about 2017 and I don't think i could go back to working without it.
I hope Linus laughed seeing the footage of what caused that vase's destruction.
RIP Vase.
Good thing it wasn't an urn
thats why hes in the lucky room
sunny chan man you should really write this as a comment you will get to the most or second most liked comment guaranteed. 😂
Replayed about 5 times. RIP 8ball vase 💜
time stamp?
rip vase 2019-2019 you will be missed
Want no broken vases? The most ergonomic mouse/keyboard combination in history is Datahand (seen in the movie Contact and the TV show Power Rangers). It's insanely expensive and terribly annoying to learn, but nothing is more ergonomic. It's also the first example of magnetic membrane keyboard switches. I think a low cost version of this product would be insanely useful.
It almost looks like he did it on purpose. I wonder if the 8-Ball survived.
Every Finnish social-service worker uses this kind of mouse during the last decade...
Swedish admin and HR workers as well! I'm guessing it's the same in other Nordic countries too.
You crazy Scandinavians.
I knew it! It's not all paradise up there!
@@deusexaethera Finland is Fennoscandian, not Scandinavian
@@dorademir8195: That is a detail that only matters to Finns because they're still upset about formerly being a Swedish vassal. As the word "Fennoscandian" makes clear, there is plenty of Scandinavian influence in Finnish culture, hence my original statement is still valid even if my terminology wasn't politically-correct.
I Came Back For The Intro. Pure Amazing.
Riley, you are THE man. You somehow really tickle a specific part of my humor...
Thanks bro ❤️
As long as he doesn't tickle a specific part of my tumor...
Its SPEFIC lol jk
so true!
@@Noukz37 so glad I'm not the only one who read it like that
Couldnt agree more!!
Protip: it's all thumb operated.
Treat it like it's a moveable space bar and you'll have a much better experience
I have seen this in a lot of hotel, company and hospital receptions. The staff there always used it with their thumb. I think that one of the reasons why this is used in places like receptions is that sometimes they have quite limited space to house the keyboard and mouse on the reception desk.
That is exactly how you use it, it's also a productivity device, so less time is spent moving your hands to your mouse. I thought the thumb operation was a given, but seeing them using their index finger, it seemed like a person using a touchscreen for the first time
I work in a hospital. Our typists use these all the time. They can use what ever they want, but most of them choose to use these. Their job is to transcribe dictations to text. So they have these as the mouse and food pedals that have Play, Pause and Reverse for the audio.
And yeah, it's thumb operation all the way.
I feel like a clickable analog stick would be a better solution for this in my opinion.
@@T4gProd yum, food pedals
"It ends up feeling a lot like a a laptop Trackpad from an alien planet where they all have wheels for hands"
that bit was amazing. So funny
I swear, Riley is the real-life embodiment of Flynn Rider...
North American Release:
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International Title:
NCIX Tech Tips 2: Electric Boogaloo
Riley is my new favorite host and his humor is god-tier.
i'm in europe and can confirm the international title
lol well done
“Electric Boogaloo”
Ah, I see you’re a man of culture as well.
;) (Everything else is irrelevant)
6:50
we got a new dropper in the house
you can even see the vase still existing at 4:40
I've been saying for ages he's the best B-roller they got and he needs his own show
Nope. that's the team kicker!
There was a WAN Show a couple episodes back where you could hear something break in the backround and Linus was like...wtf was that? Wonder if that was from this episode...
Hearing them loose their shit makes this video.
@@brokenacoustic i cant remember people laughing in the backround tho...
7:24 if you dont watch the whole vid, heres the best part
david "bitch please" face
I might sound like one of those Thinkpad fanboys.... Okay maby I am a little bit. But I really enjoyed the trackpoint when I had one. And it also keeps your hands on the keyboard.
i personally never used the trackpoint but i really like that they moved the mouse buttons to the top of the touchpad. saves tons of time that i can click with my thumb especially on linux where the middleclick serves as a paste button too.
It's not that they moved the buttons to the top of touchpad. The original IBM thinkpads didn't even have a touchpad. On the transitional models from around 2008 have both sets of mouse buttons (the trackpoint also having middle click).
My wife thinks I am crazy because I basically only use the trackpoiny on my Dell Precision. Probably doesn't help that the laptop has one of the worst trackpads I has ever seen
actually my wrist hurts when I use it I think mac-trackpad and thinkpad keyboard would be the best combination
6:50 well, now we know, how poor guy ended up in the lucky room
P.S. F
"F"
F
at least he didn't get fired..
F
@@paulrongcal9245 They wouldnt fire him over that. He caught it on camera! ;)
Wow that was a really cool intro. Good job, literally just thought was on the wrong channel..
The Lucky Room...
The soap opera subtitles! XD
I've been using the rollermouse red for the last 5 years. It's fantastic for general windows work, cad-work etc. Not so much for gaming, so I've always used a regular mouse in addition - and i switch back and forth between the two depending on the task at hand.
And yes, i have bad shoulders.
can it also be used to massage bad shoulders?
Oh that is interesting. I do mostly 3D Modeling and was wondering how it is for more precise clicking and dragging and orbiting around a 3d viewport. What is your feeling on that?
I am a programmer and I've been using this mouse for 2 years now. Once you get used to it, it's actually the greatest ever. Ergonomics was the main reason I switched to this mouse.
how is it actually ergonomic though? a proper ergo keyboard with a trackball (if that exists) would be far more ergonomic no? also, does it hold up in power use situations? it looks like it massively sacrifices speed when trying to maintain accuracy.
@@synlion Yes some accuracy is lost, so I can’t really draw well or play FPS games with it. But software dev work is fine. I don’t really feel like I am missing speed. Also if you want to be fast, mouse is not the way to go. I suggest learning shortcut keys as much as possible.
I love when I don’t need to move my arm between the mouse and keyboard, instead I can keep the same stance at all times.
@@synlion I don’t know any ”proper ergo keyboards with trackball”. But would be interesting to see that.
"It's only 250 dollars!"
Office: I'LL BUY YOUR WHOLE STOCK!
Yeah, basically
You forgot the most important part! How does the roller bar affect your K/D ratio in CS GO? I expect a part 2 about this asap!
well you would only be able to turn 90 degrees right or left and then you'd stop turning so it would probably only work on de_dust if you rush B
Roller Mice are awesome. I used it for quite a few years when I did IT support. It definitely was very natural and nice to use after a week or so of use. Oh, and the pricing clearly is insane for the consumer market, but for the enterprise market, they can get away with it. The support desk I worked at had around 40 stations, all equipped with a Roller Mouse. It's a good item to blow the remainder of your IT equipment budget on at the end of a fiscal year.
6:49 that was just perfect. he even kicked the 8ball over and nothing else. just like a movie or tv show. the sound effects sounded great and had a final sound, in the end, to tie it all together with a great closure. can't tell if it was all planned that way or not.
Rollermouse: I can be used without hand leaving keyboard!
Thinkpad, Dell Precision, HP ZBook: hold our trackpoints
It's really sad that there's is no new desktop keyboard with trackpoint
www.amazon.com/SK-8845-Keyboard-TrackPoint-Thinkpad-Computers/dp/B07D9BG4HP/
www.amazon.com/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Compact-Keyboard-TrackPoint/dp/B00F3U4TQS/
www.amazon.com/SK-8845CR-Keyboard-TrackPoint-Thinkpad-Computers/dp/B076TTGTGK/
You were saying @David Rajchman?
Trackpoints are only used by sadists and serial killers. :p
Trackpoint was the ONLY mobile input I used when I had my Thinkpad T420. When I got the T420 I disabled the trackpad in the BIOS and left it disabled. I also used a real mouse when I was sitting at a desk but when I wasn't it was the trackpoint 24/7 and its pretty simple to learn and you won't have to move your hands away from the keyboard at all to use it
@@davidrajchman7162 Unicomp EnduraPro, Tex Yoda, Tex Yoda II, Lenovo ThinkPad Wired USB Keyboard, Ultimate Hacking Keyboard
Having different people promote different videos does this channel good. It’s much better than the usual one man one video show in my opinion, keep this up guys.
You're not wrong. As much as I like Linus after I read your comment and I can't think of any of the other gentlemen who've hosted videos that I didn't care for.
inb4 changes the channel name to LinusMediaGroup
I use this exact model at work and it is great. No more strain in my right shoulder and arm. And move the "stick" with you thumb while typing to avoid flicking your arm and shoulder around.
Excellent video !!
Loved the "story", the acting was topnotch too hahah (also, props to the stunts)
Is Linus in all the sponsoring bits because of contracting obligations ? ;)
Goverment offices here in Norway has had this type of mouse for maby 10 years.
Jan-Robert Nergård same in Sweden. Thought they where joking, but they actually didn’t see this before?
Yup, Finland too
I've seen them in Canada as well although it was a fairly small subset of users that had them but the few that did sweared by them. I'm also quite certain that they used them with their palms and not there fingers.
why not use touchpad😑?
Same in Denmark, they are really unavoidable in office landscapes.
This is literally in every single computer in any government official office in Finland
And Sweden.
And Norway.
And Denmark
also very popular in banks
just noticed, its only in North Europe. lmao
I have been using the Contour RollerMouse Red Plus for about a year now, and I'm loving it. It really helps your neck and shoulders when you sit in front of a computer 7-8 hours a day. I found that it's most convenient to use my thumbs on the roller most of the time. At work I have a 38" monitor which I have split into separate areas for different applications that I frequently jump in and out of as it is a part of my workflow. The RollerMouse makes me much much more efficient than if I would use a ordinary mouse - and it just feels so effortless.
Can't understand those of you who would prefer a track pad. A track pad is not the same - Windows precision or not. It's just not efficient enough compared with the likes of RollerMouse. Try using one at your office for two weeks, and I promise that 7 out of 10 will not go back to a ordinary mouse.
Use VIM - When you've mastered that tell me how.
There's a game that helps you learn called; VIM adventures. Google it.
Uh...Guys? What is Linus feeding you? Blink if you need help.
And what are the bruises on Riley’s arm?
It's pretty common for office workers in Finland.
In Norway too.. 😃🤣
And Sweden
And Denmark
Kelmeri offfff course
Kirjastoissa aina on tällänen.
We had these on the pharmacy I used to work at and it's still the best mouse alternative I've ever used. I always had my fingers on the keyboard and only moved my thumbs between the roller bar and space bar to use it. It won't replace a mouse for anything gaming related, but if you work with documents and spread sheets all day it will definitely speed up your workflow. I wish every keyboard had a small roller-bar like this integrated.
Damnit, I actually giggled with him when he said, “dongle”
Riley is crushing these reviews. Interesting, engaging, funny, and insightful. He's a natural on camera!
But terrible at actually reviewing the product. They're obviously oblivious to how the roller bar mouse are meant to used.
Yes a vase was broken, but the shot was worth it.
Would that make it a money shot?
Really liked that intro skit, the production value was really high! Well done guys!
Best thing I did for my wrists and shoulder was switch to a tenkeyless keyboard and put a seperate numpad elsewhere on the desk. Those few inches saved on width allows me to keep most of those twisting movements within my shoulder width, and that seems to help immensely.
must say, I love the usual LTT stuff. But some switches up in humor like this is freaking great
ikr
Every bank clerk and secretary in Finland has one of these.
The vocational school I was in had one of those for every employee. Very common to see in any school or bank.
3:30 if we buy this my mom would spank me with it 😂
You're supposed to roll it with your wrists. So your fingers stay on the keys.
0:37 @ every high school Spanish video project I ever did.
This thing has been popular in swedish offices for years. Some people prefer the Mousetrapper, which uses a trackpad instead of a roller. Very good tools, but very expensive.
I've seen some like this that just docks the roller mouse, that shouldn't be that expensive because it's all just mechanical by that point.
My company uses these! When you start a desk position at my company, an ergonomic specialist contracted with the company comes out to your desk and arranges everything you touch during work to to be ergonomic. I had met with an ergo specialist and was in my position for a few years, but my CTS started coming back, and with it also came a new RSI of my right shoulder. The shoulder pain was purely from reaching for the mouse and back repetitively as the job required.
Now, whenever I work inside any program, I always prefer a keyboard-only setup and try to omit mouse usage as much as possible. This came from playing MMORPGs in my teens and it just eventually became the norm for me to use the numpad to navigate my character and arrow keys for camera movement. Since then, I've always used the mouse as little as possible out of preference, so naturally that translated to optimizing my work the same way by navigating through my work programs by using tab and enter as opposed to clicking each field with my mouse and going back to my keyboard to type in all the fields.
With that said, even supplementing TAB and ENTER and eliminating most mouse movements, I still had to repetitively reach for the mouse in my daily workflow where it couldn't be helped. I still developed a shoulder RSI.
TLDR:
When the ergo department fitted me with this mouse and my pain went away, I became a believer. Now I only ever use a conventional mouse for FPS games. Everything else I can do keyboard-only, Keyboard+roller, or controller.
BUT if you move your dominant hand down to the roller, it becomes pointless. You have to use your thumbs to press the buttons in order to prevent another RSI.
Also, I see a chiropractor for my shoulder :)
That movie trailer-esque intro was amazing.
+ 100 style points for the music, colors, the backlit bright windows, the "woman laughing with salad" laughs
This is not something new, here in Sweden everyone at librarys and hospitals have these at their desks
Samma i finland!
That was also true of the library i worked at in Denmark. They didn't look that expensive though and definitely weren't wireless. Kinda seems like they found an expensive version of this type of mouse, only to then complain about the price.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN SURPRISINGLY GOOD BUTTONS IT'S OVER 260 DOLLARS
think he met it didn't look like it would be good
Only the left-click button is high quality.
0:36 Colton deserves a raise for that delivery.
Are you playing the fucking UNO WINTER THEME in the background?!?!?
I love it :)
Apple : we can sell cheap products for $999
Contour : hold my roller
5:40
5:44 I thought he was gonna say
”Is this product from apple?”
Or from RED since it has the word in the name
Same
What's the difference
Micah Headlee true
me toooo
This type of device has been around for awhile.
My french teacher uses one of these, shes done it for years. She didn't like it the first few months, then she started to love it!
6:50 the best moment of the video, please an oscar for this guy. To funny
That's why i love this channel its not only a tech channel which post tech info in a boring ancient manner but instead they present it in a very unique way !!! ❤
you guys are ready to make a movie now, I love the intro
I really would like to try this, but not for $265... I do like that companies are trying new things.
One thing I like about the trackpoints found on ThinkPads and some other business laptops is it allows you to move the cursor without having to move your hand away from the keyboard to the trackpad or mouse, so I understand where they are coming from.
Why not just use a trackpoint?
Or even better, just learn vim
No
#Emacs4lyfe
Yep. A good responsive trackpoint solves all the mentioned problems.
I knew there will be comment about vim. I hit "/" and typed "vim", and here it is.
You also need a tile window manager for other applications
Could you please do a 8min follow up video where you "mod" it by changing the battery from AA to AAA?
na, use the heat from the palm to generate power
1:03 This is a visual representation of the literal definition of "Nerdgasm".
We finally get to see what it looks like :)
Did Riley LOL at the word “dongle?”
Nice ;)
Riley and Lucky the Dragon are the best things to happen to this channel lol
I want some rule3- I mean art!
Cavey Möth lucky the dragon rule34 already exists :P
@@heart4011 Ooh! I should check my "favorite website."
This has proved to be a great device for one of our staff who is tragically suffering from Parkinson's.
Give him a spliff that will cure him
@@willholliday3537 Shut the fuck up you piece of shit. I am pro cannabis, especially for medical treatment, but don't be a daffy asshat.
@@ReddFoxx1562 whoosh
Degenerative diseases are not a trifling matter.
@@ReddFoxx1562 You really expect better? It's a youtube comment section get over yourself keyboard warrior.
2:19 "Who makes the roller mouse"
Please tell me I'm not the only one going crazy here...
Okay that intro would have me liking the video multiple times over if I could XD
Also don't know why but really been liking Riley's videos :D
In Finland that kinda "mouse" is pretty common in bigger offices, banks etc. Always wondered what's the benefits of that mouse, over regular one
You can use it your thumbs without moving your hands, more ergonomic than touchpad. Less precise and versatile perhaps, but for typing, spreadsheets, data entry and other office work it's great.
The RED Movie cameras paid out, huh?
6:46 I CAN'T STOP TO WATCH THİS AGAİN AND AGAİNNN LOL
I like how they setup a scenario where this would be useful. But then you realize that page up/down and arrow keys do this, but they don’t cost $300
What if... you used your feet to move the cursor?
mindblown.gif
Or how about a larger trackpad if you catch my drift?
If it was some what precise, that would be honestly the best solution as it would also help with trombosis.
ehh.. idk, you might lose a vase
Wait that's Illegal
Weird link flex, but not ok
THAT INTRO! THAT. INTRO. Best LTT intro by far! Whoever pitched the idea, give him/her/it a raise! xD
Lol ikr
Thanks for the Linus Tech Tips Roller Mouse Flips at 6:50. Am I the only one who LOL'd at that?
I've seen several office workers use this, on sight its really interesting. I think it's one of the better options if you really haft to have something else.
This type a mouse seems to be relatively common in a lot of Scandinavian businesses.
I also just assumed that these are super common
Pfft, just use a Thinkpad keyboard with a track point.
Spoken like a true clit commander!
Same thought
Clit gang assemble
Or at 2:30 just move the wireless mouse under the keyboard, boom problem solved no need to change anything.
IKR
About ergonomic solutions for using a computer. One of the engineers at my dad's company made a glove-like 3d mouse. The mouse was controlling with the palms, not fingers. While the fingers had a half a keyboard behind each of them, wireless ofc.
This way he could have his arms in any position he wanted and produce in CAD programs at the same time.
I've used these at work for about 1000h, so I've some notes:
-It's extremely useful when you're filling out forms, that you can't navigate with tab or ctrl+arrow keys.
-With proper placement and a keyboard with a small bezzel behind the spacebar you can use the mouse keys and roller bar with just your thumbs. Keep those index fingers on F and J y'all!
The sensitivity can be a problem. However, it's worth noting that these are often used in applications where the actual real estate the cursor is actually moving on is very specific or limited, not the whole display area.
0:37 😂😂 I'm a subscriber from Spain and I love when you say something random in Spanish. It always surprises me.
There is not enough comments about the lucky room.... The MSI Dragon needs more love...
Screw that, MSI needs to start selling that damned dragon! Give me a desk-sized version! The crap on eBay right now just isn't the same.
BEST intro ever :D you guys didn't need to put that!! so nice
These rollermice are actually pretty neat if you work in an Office with a lot of spreadsheets and documents - got one myself at the office and refuse to work without.
In Finland, all the government agencies use that so nothing new here.
It's the "hot new thing" at the company I work for in Sweden as well. Personally I cannot imagine why people are getting one, but I've noticed that at least here it's exclusively the less tech savvy who use them.
Haven't rollermouse been around for like 10 years? I remember my old company had a bunch of them in 2011 (in Sweden)
@@dallek50 Don't know, I just noticed them starting to pop up everywhere like two years ago. Word spread like it was some new iPhone.
They've been using it for ages here in Sweden. I mean atleast 10-15 year, probably even longer.
Yeah, they've been around for long time here.
I have a Contour roller mouse, but I use thumbs to roll and click. Use it mostly for programming/typing and I love it.
Yea I have seen this at shows and the intention they present it as is to use your thumb.. basically never needing to remove your hand from your homekeys on many keyboards.
Enjoyed the review and have similar thoughts as I own one.. but the review completely missed the mark on how it's supposed to be used
But why wouldn't i just use a trackpad then i use my laptop trackpad with thumbs most of the time.
@@BlackPeagas Some of us still prefer to use desktop computers with normal keyboards.
@@EmAllWasTaken there are for sale standalone trackpads.... I also i will suprise you that i also prefer a dekstop with my mech, but i also need a mobile computer too.
At least the innovation is headed in the right direction. You're right, it's not for everyone, but it was a game-changer for me, and I'm so grateful.
Probably the best intro on an LTT video I've seen so far
Yea
Is that type of mice not normal in Canada?? .. You can't find an office I Denmark without them .. Those kinds of mice have been here for ages. So strange to see an episode of LTT that's not up to date .. hehe
Same in Sweden, its more or less standard in most offices here.
From reading the comments I get the feeling that this is a Scandinavian thing.
Yeah it Really seems like a scandinavian Thing. I have Never seen one in Germany
Count all the Nordics in, because this is also the government office standard in Finland!
It really blows my mind that these things are so regionally locked ..
Writing a script about writing a script...
Its official guys, LMG has officially gone insane.
Meta as fuck
I wouldn’t be mad if these intro skits came back.
0:30
*Laughs in Vim*
These have been around Scandinavian offices since like 1995-2000. How have you never seen one before?
Maybe because they're not in a Scandinavian country?
Probably because they're Canadian and it's 2019.
Yea thought every office in the world had these
Big oil conspiracy.
@@ain7256 you don't understand the concept of the word "since"?
Also guys, "they're canadian"... ok so are you saying they only know of canadian products, everything else is super strange to them? Get a grip of reality please.
I expected "is this product APPLE?!" 5:46
I would like to say.. the roller mouse saved my GF's arms. She has used this product for the last 2 years and there is a significant difference. She suffered from radial tunnel, a repetitive injury from pipetting, It is the clicking the finger movement on mice that caused her tons of pain. It took her about 1 week to get used to using this thing.. but she is really a pro. Some people TENSE up there hand when they are using a mouse, I dont know if this is mental or what. But she can't seem to use a mouse without tensing up her hand. the roller mouse allows her hand to stay relaxed.
Her symptoms lessened. And she doesn't need to wear her brace anymore.
that's super pricey, it wont hurt my wrist but it definitely will hurt my wallet