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- I present to you the PTGRail German signalling guide. I've been wanting to make this for a couple of months, and it's taken a lot of hard work to get to this point. I hope that this helps with understanding the German signalling system, and enables you to drive with it on German routes.
Apologies for the sound quality of the narration, the mic volume seemed to go up and down a bit!
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I'm from Germany and this is so typical for our country: It's over complicated and sometimes you ask yourself where they've got those numbers from (153 Meters, 23 Seconds, etc.)... Great video, I hope I will be able to drive a scenario with the systems turned on, there is so much going on while approching a signal!
I was on a train in Germany and it kept slowing down all the time more than an average journey in the UK, now I know why.
Thats why my emergency brakes came on when I passed that yellow signal
I hope this video helped you out :)
And i forgot to press Page Dn Great
Thanks man
PTGRail
Attention! you've made a Fail at 9:08
The white light has TWO meanings ! this depends on the Ne2 sign ( the white one the two Triangle tips touching )
1. White light WITH an Ne2
means that the signal is located in a shortened braking distance
2. White light WITHOUT an Ne2 means that it is just a Signal Repeater
... Greetings from Bavaria (Germany)
thank you for a truly well done and clear explanation of these signals. I am relatively new to train simulator (about 3 months) and the German system has been a constant source of frustration for me. Your explanation has clarified it for me and I am finally enjoying my German routes. Job well done.
Video Guide
*This comment will be edited to add all info
4:53 - Signalling Controls
5:47 - Trackside Signs
7:11 - Signals
9:27 - Departing from a station and what may happen on the signalling system when you depart
10:06 - Restricted Monitoring
11:11 - Restricted Signal with Speed Limit
12:35 - Theory on approaching before red signals on PZB signalling and Demo
21:24 - LZB signalling
29:40 - End of LZB Zone
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Every time I have been away from TS and return to it the first thing I do is watch this video as a refresher course for the German routes. Excellent tutorial PTG, much thanks
Thank you! I'm glad that you've found this video to be helpful when driving German routes :)
Wouw great video. Well done. The time and effort you put in this video I really respect and appreciate!
Thanks! I'm glad that you liked this video :)
The best signaling tutorial I ever saw! Excellent! Most important is that keeps my attention while watching and listening. And was also explained on the best possible way. Best regards!
+Žarko Gorović Thank you, I really appreciate your comment! I hope that this tutorial has helped you out :)
Watched the whole video and then tried Hamburg Hanover in ICE 3. Aside from a few issues of emergency brakes due to PZB's intolerance for speeding (0.1km over), this video was 100% useful. Subscribed :)
Fringe Stalin Awesome, I'm glad that this video helped you! Thanks for your comment :)
Still relevant, and much better than Matt's tutorial. Thank you for this. Bookmarked for when I need a refresher.
Great tutorial. Just what I needed. I've read the manual many times, but it's not clear enough. This tutorial cleared all the confusion! Thanks for the effort man. Much appreciated!
Sunny Andonov Thank you! I agree with you about the manual - I spent ages trying to work it out but just couldn't follow it. In the end, after a lot of trial and error and more reading of the manual I worked it out and made this video. Thanks for your comment :)
Good video!
You might see a single yellow light, too. It indicates the same as two yellow lights though.
There can also be a flashing green light indicating an upcoming speed limit.
This is the modern Ks signalling system that has been deployed in the last 20 years (however existing tracks only get new signals as their control centers are being upgraded to new computerized ones). It replaces the Hv and Hl (see below) In the Ks system ("Kombinationssignal" - "combination signal") distant signals and main signals are no longer differentiated. A signal fulfilling the role of a main signal has a white-red-white striped sign. If it also has a yellow triangle below, pointing downward it is a so called "Mehabschnittssignal" - "multi section signal" which fulfills both roles. A signal fulfilling only the distant signal role has a "distant signal" sign, which is the white sign with black lines you can see in this video.
Signal aspects of Ks signals are as follows:
One green light (Ks 1): proceed and expect proceed
One yellow light (Ks 2): proceed and expect halt
One red light (Hp 0): halt
Speed limits are always declared as a separate number, however if a signal is a distant signal, Ks 1 is shown and there is a speed limit pre-indicated, the green light is flashing.
The third main signalling system in Germany is Hl but that is only to be seen in the former GDR. It's the most confusing, encoding speed limits into the signal aspects (which leads to it having 17 different signal aspects, which includes flashing lights of various colours as well as coloured bars)
There are also the Sk system (from which Ks has been derived), but that's only used on a single track. And one or two other experimental signalling systems. Underground trains and trams in cities use completely different systems, which even vary from city to city.
german person here:
PZB means Punktförmige Zubeeinflussung which means as much as "Point-Type Train Control system"
LZN means Linienzugbeeinflussung, which means as much as Linear-Type Train Control System.
You're welcome.
The distant Signal at 8:20 clearly means to expect stop, because this distant signal seems to be broken down. (By that I want to say that if the yellow number shows an 8 or above, you get a clear signal not a Slowdrive signal. DTG I hate you :D) 12:35 the speed limit is only till the end of the "switching zone" (all the connected switches behind that signal). In general it is a very good tutorial (for starters) of the german signal rules.
+ssingfo Thanks for the info :)
What a great and much needed explanation! :)
+Jan Bohuslav Thank you! I hope this helped :)
Excellent video, I have played TS for a long time but until this video I did not know how to use PZB, big thanks for this video!! I respect your work.
I just find the German signals too complex, even after watching this, there is so much to remember. I think the English system is better because it is alot simpler and more straight forward and makes more sense.
+Mil Pop Germans love to complicate things, belive me! Everything is in order but takes hell of a lot time and patience to realize that! :-D (I've worked for them as a musician and IT specialist in the past years. :-D)
+Mil Pop yeah, due to this I decided to play other scenarions instead of German ones.
To be honest I'm bored of TS2015's lines and scenarios. Germany, USA, UK and that's it. I'd like to see lines from any other country because these are getting boring.
+MilPop14 - The Orig O'bus MANAGER Sorry to say it, but it's not too complex, what it is is restrictive in comparison to the british.
Most of these caveats and modes are there because of problems and crashes in real life.
And it does all make sense, if you look at the whys.
The Restrictive mode? Is there since PZB 80R and PZB 90, due to some crashes in the nineties, when drivers where stopped at a red, accelerated against it and then were stopped by the 2000hz mangets.
But sadly they overran too much and were hit by another train.
So that mode is there so that the train can stop in time if he has a SPAD, a bit like ATP and TPWS in one:
If possible stop the train before the signal, if not make sure that he will stop without endangering others.
@Somesz, well we have everything ordered and the Paper War (Papierkrieg), in other words having to fill out a form for nearly everything, but the brits...............well they have comitees for everything...........so both can be pretty annoying. ;)
Sit through a course in British History, especially the last 50 years of the empire, and at the end of it, you will go mad with the ammount of comittees.
Just look at all the sub-comitees and sub-sub-comitees of the Comitee for Imperial Defence in the interwar years.....there was a collapsible graph in one book that was as big as three DIN A5 pages detailing all of them.
In total I think 30 sub-comittees, and those were just the standing ones, not the ad-hoc ones.
Had a scottish prof that just joked: "Well, you germans do have forms for everything, what the brits do is make a comittee, then the first act is to make a sub-comittee to discuss things in detail.
Then that sub-comittees first decision is to postpone further debate for six months, after which they'll find out that all the data they'll have is outadated, and that they should make another sub-comittee to discuss the new data!" ;) :P
LupusAries I've never had the "pleasure" to work with british people. Only scottish and canadian. :)
Thank you very much for the video, another in your helpful list. I tried a German scenario for the first time and was overwhelmed by signalling (TBH I expected it to be like that). It's a lot to take in but watching your video a few times, making notes and reading the informative comments people have made will make it fall into place I'm sure. Thanks again.
Super tutorial. Best one on TH-cam. Really professional job. Thank you PTG
First, I have to apologize for my bad english but I will hope, that you get the message.
I'm a german train driver/engine operator (don't realy know how this job is translated :D) and I want to correct you about some explanations.
You said, that the SiFa emergeny-brake works till the train stops. That isn't realy right.
When you get the SiFA emergeny-brake, than you're able to relese the brakes just by pushing SiFa again. (In many of the DTG-Locomotives this function is incorrect)
The "H"-sign at the platforms can be added with a length specification for the train. A little example: If you drive a 182m train and there is no 182m H-sign you have to stop at the next higher H-sign. You have to stop at this H-sign +/- 5m or otherwise you could get a punishment. So, there can be more than one H-sign at a platform.
The distance signals with green light at the top right und yellow light at the bottom left says, that the next main signal is a green over yellow signal. And this signals can be used for the speeds from 20 km/h to 60 km/h. But like you correctly said, it has to be indicated when the speed is another than 40 km/h. Also a mistake from DTG.
The restrictive monitoring is only when you activate the PZB and when you acknoledged a signal and runned under 20 km/h for a certain distance or you stopped after that.
The other explanations are very acurate and absoluteley correct, perfectly investigated.
If you have any questions about german signaling system, please feel free to contact me.
Best regards
Rico
+Banana Joe Thank you for the information Rico. I understood you very well! I made this video to give as much information as I could find out on the German system though I know I didn't get it 100% accurate. Thanks for the pointers there, I will try and remember them for the future :)
Very well explained! I'm on Xbox One and I downloaded Train Simulator World 2020 and have been playing around on the German line for a bit since it was the one it suggested I start with. I have gotten the gist of how to cold start the loco and how to drive it, but never once in any of the tutorials did it explain what the AFB lever did. Glad to know how that works!
Also, I'll be sure to reference this when doing some of the missions and trying to use the PZB to avoid doing any excessively hard braking to slow down for low speed zones. The last thing I want to do is have my virtual passengers kiss the backs of the seat in front of them due to me not knowing to slow down ahead beforehand. lol
HI Peter many thanks for this video, i purchased several German routes and locos in the recent sale and have been making some progress with them, i find them very enjoyable. This guide is most usefull greatly improves the overall enjoyment
After watching this once, I think I'll have to again once or twice so I can actually try it myself without horrible failure xD
U can't drive.
oi don't dis mole
Moleman978 haha, practice makes perfect as they say! Thanks moleman :)
Great video! Now I finally know more about the German signalling system. I didn't understand everything by watching the video once, but I still learned a lot. Thank you so much for the video!
+Axel Nordman Thanks for your comment! I'm glad that you have found this video helpful :)
+PTGRail A question: I have encountered a single flashing green signal with that speed limit number above it a couple of times in a scenario with the BR 145 add-on on Hamburg-Hanover. What does it mean, and do I have to acknowledge it?
Thank you PTG! I drive German trains very regularly and always out off PZB and Sifa (prefer DSD.) Though driving with LZB is a blast! Anyway thanks again for this amazing tutorial, many people will be enjoying the lights of PZB thanks to you! :)
Joe Burgess Thanks for the comment. I really like driving with the PZB system now I understand it. It only took a couple of years to be able to understand it enough to make this video! :)
Attention! you've made a Fail at 9:08
The white light has TWO meanings ! this depends on the Ne2 sign ( the white one the two Triangle tips touching )
1. White light WITH an Ne2
means that the signal is located in a shortened braking distance
2. White light WITHOUT an Ne2 means that it is just a Signal Repeater
... Greetings from Bavaria (Germany)
Perhaps NOW I will be able to run the German track without losing my sanity. Thanks for making this
Wolfden Gaming Haha, thanks! I hope this video has helped :)
have you been able to run the German routes now
@@combinetheelite Hi man, yeah. And still playing them once in a while although I moved on by now mainly to the TSW series. But yeah, this was a massive help at the time.
@@mavadelo I agree, this helped with train sim world as well, also nice to see your account isn't dead!
@@combinetheelite Thanks. Yeah, just not really active on forums and uploads anymore. Still playing though.
I was so pleased to find this video after working through the game documentation. You have made it all much clearer. The video is well presented and put together. Thanks very much.
Nicely done. I cannot say I understand the German signals now, but I've got a far better idea of how to approach and respond to them. Video added to favourite because, no doubt, I'll need to refer to it in the future. Many thanks for putting the time in to produce the video
pjt1974 Awesome, I'm glad that this video has at least helped a bit! Thank you for your comment :)
This really helped me, always getting caught out by German signals, will have to have a go myself and see how well it goes. Thanks.
Extal Awesome! I hope that this has helped you understand the German signals a bit better! Let me know how it goes :)
Thanks so much for this video. I always thought the first train you used had auto-throttle, but I never knew how to make it work. Great job & again, tyvm.
Probably one of the best tutorials i've ever seen :) great work
Having watched some actual video of German trains, a couple of things to note:
1) Green over yellow signals and/or yellow over yellow signals? Those usually mean a switching operation is next.
2) The distant signals (angled ones) are not yellow over yellow, but can be red over red, meaning next actual signal is at red aspect. There can be several in a row before the actual signal. Which is the only case where a train can pass a red signal. The white light on one of those distant signals means the actual signal is the next one.
Hope I haven't screwed you up too much with this.
That was advanced, but REALLY helpful when I saw clips of the video about 4 times... Thanks!
Espen Garriott Haha, thanks! I'm glad this video helped you out :)
A very clear and good explanation. Also very useful Thank you for this!
Thank you, I'm happy to hear that you found this video useful! :)
Thank you PTG. Your signalling tutorial are very helpful 👍
All in all a good Video, but there are some crucial mistakes in it.
PZB/LZB isn't a signaling system it is an Train Control System (like ATP or AWS)
You have to differentiate The H/V signaling system and the Ks signaling system.
I think I will do a Video about them in the near future. (Both in German and in English)
The Sifa is also not a signaling System but rather a Train Control System. (Timings are Pressing 30 seconds, after which the Sifa indicator will light up. 2.5 seconds later a voice will call Sifa or a horn will start to sound. If the Sifa is then not reset by lifting the pedal and pressing again 2.5 seconds later an emergency breaking is applied.) This emergency break can be interrupted at any time by releasing the pedal and pressing it again.
What an excellent video with a very clear commentary. I am at pesent buying a new computer which will be powerful enough to play TS2016 and I feel more confident that I will be able to play German scenarios with all safety systems turned on!
Thank you. I hope that you enjoy playing TS2016 soon and that this video has helped you with understanding the German signalling and safety systems :)
Succinctly enough and super clear as well!
Thank you very much for this perfect explanation!
UUU ARRRE MYY HERRRO after 2 years of suffering lol you deliver me This video is a honey for train driver THX U SO MUCH
New to TSW and your videos really help, thanks for spending the time and effort you put into it
An invaluable subject for a tutorial, and clearly explained. Thanks for the time you have given us.
I already knew more or less a good ammount about it (I even speak German so I understand the text under the buttons lol), but the demonstration really helped me, thanks!
+TheFan630 No problem, I'm happy that this video has helped you out! :)
Not much difficult after watching this. Quite logic and great system is the PZD.
Excellent tutorial!
Thank you SO MUCH for creating this video! This was a sorely needed tutorial for those who play the German routes realistically. I actually intended to make a video like this since it seems every video of this type out ther is in German.
There's a nice "cheat sheet" in the DB loco DLC manuals which shows which speeds apply when, including the restrictive states. - I keep a copy of this printed whenever I drive PZB. Very helpful.
One TINY thing you missed - When you're under "restrictive state" AND 500hz monitoring (occurs when stopping or slowing down to 10kph or less, while under 500hz), you are now limited to 25kph (what I call "Super Restrictive Mode"), until clear of the 500hz & past the red signal. :)
I plan on making a few "Let's Play" videos of German Routes showcasing these systems. If you don't mind, I would like to shout out to this video as a great "detailed worth-watching" reference, because this literally covers everything about PZB/LZB/AFB and the signal aspects.
nuothe11th Thanks for your comment! When I first got Munich to Augsburg a couple of years back, I just couldn't understand the signalling system. I turned to TH-cam for help and found not one tutorial in English. So I took to really studying the manuals on German routes earlier this year and researching online as much as I could about the signalling system. As I'd only recently started this channel, I thought 'why not make a tutorial on this myself for others to watch'.. and this is the end result of that process of teaching myself :)
I hadn't thought about that, but printing out that 'cheat sheet' may be a good idea! I will bear that in mind as I will soon be making a new German route learning video (if you are new to my channel, they are my version of 'let's play' videos - in the format of driver training videos without using the HUD) so it may well come in handy :)
I didn't actually realise about the 25kph limit there. So say I started from a station, restrictive monitoring occurs and I don't release from monitoring - if I then pass over an activated 500hz magnet, that then means I am restricted to 25kph?
And many thanks, feel free to shout out this video! I'm glad you liked it, and I hope it's helped a few people understand the German signals a bit better! :)
"if I then pass over an activated 500hz magnet, that then means I am restricted to 25kph?" Yes. But again you'd be able to see the red signal and be like Oh can't go very far anyway. That's prolly the logic behind the system.
I might get the Epic Journeys pack just for the German route, especially if it has an LZB section.
you should tag along to mattpeddlestens streams, he always screws up on German routes n stuff, after watching this I understand German signalling a little more
Kirkinstein Haha, I might do that at some point. I'm glad it's helped you understand the German signalling system a bit better :)
Thanks so much for helping me with this, I can never figure it out now I can drive like a pro!
NoCreativity I hope that this video helped! :)
Excellent explanation of this aparently complex system! Thanks!
Am new to train sims (TS2017) and was surprised to find myself enjoying them TBH ...
This vid is so useful and very informative. Many thanks indeed.
Looking forward to watching your route guides as well.
Keep up the great work o7
I now can drive on German routes!! Thanks a lot PTG
Thespeedgamer Awesome, I hope this helps! :)
Wow ...that was helpful . So , now i know the technical reason as to why emergency brakes used to get triggered , at some point i even thought that it must be some bug...Lol . Also , I've seen many guys say that just disable pzb , sifa and just have fun !!. Well , only problem is that things aren't that way in real . As a beginner , YES ! I do find it complex and perplexing . But then , actually learning about how it works , and then actually making it work myself , that's where the real fun lies for me !!!! :)
Thank you so much for this video! It is very clear and detailed!
Thanks! I hope it helps you out :)
Finally a good tutorial about PZB!
You don't want to hold down the PZB aknowlegde when passing a distance signal, you want to press it shortly after you pass it.
Point of order, from a Sifa emergency brake situation you do not need to come to a full stop, you only have to tap the Sifa, roll off the power completely and then you can reapply power
Thanks for a fantastic tutorial. will probably have to watch it again as it takes me a bit of time. but I'll have some fun with the German routes today. :-)
Thanks for your comment. I hope that you've had some fun on the German routes since writing this? :)
PTGRail only just started playing on them again recently when I purchased the mittenwaldbahn Innsbruck line in the steam sale. Had to have a look at this tutorial again and now I'm having a great time on the German routes ☺
Very nice thank you! I really need this and understand every single word...very clear and explained with examples, couldn`t be better!
+Karol Kostial Thanks for your comment. I'm glad that you were able to understand what I was saying and the concepts behind the signalling system. I hope this video has helped you out? :)
+PTGRail Absolutely and finally I enjoy german tracks with all the signalling available. Thank you once again
+PTGRail Not to mention, there's no other tutorials for this on TH-cam that I could find.
This helped alot! Thanks!:) I think the German signalling system, especialy the lights is overly complicated. If you look at the British light signals, they are really simple and easy to understand.
No problem, I’m glad this video helped! It is indeed an overly complicated system, and it’s not necessarily safer either.
Had to look this up to assist me with Zusi 3. Any actual Zusi tutorials here on YT are mostly in German, any English ones are of poor quality.
The abridged English manual does a reasonable job at explaining the PZB system (not the LZB though) but seeing it in action is so much better.
Now I know why the dash keeps beeping at me, I was running out of hammers to hit it with.
Great video! I've been looking for a good explanation of German signals, thanks :)
+Antony Riley Thanks! Glad you've found this video helpful :)
No prob you are one off the best youtuber's ever ! and also idea 380 edinburgh-north berwick would be good
Jo-Ann Carlin I'm planning on making the journey from Edinburgh to North Berwick in a 380 this month :) And thank you!
PTGRail Brilliant and maybe return journey on the Woodhead with a thompson b1 and were did you go
Jo-Ann Carlin That might take a while to do, but I will certainly consider it :) .. I was in south Wales for work this week.
PTGRail Cool Maybe just Half it like Manchester to Warrington-Warrington-Liverpool
Great video. Nice explanation. I'm starting to learn the German routes now, and the signalling seemed very hard to understand.
+Rod Borza Thanks, I hope this video helps you out :)
Interesting! Thanks for explaining the German signalling, now I can finally drive in Germany! Also, these systems are like ATP (automatic train protection) in the UK.
+Stewie140 No problem, I'm glad that you found this video both interesting and helpful! :)
Indeed, very helpful. On a side note, what is your current recording software and system specifications?
Stewie140 I use Bandicam to record and edit in Sony Vegas Pro.
Since making this video I've got both a new microphone and new PC, so the specs I had when I recorded this were quite different to now.
This was recorded on a PC using an AMD Phenom II X6 3.2ghz processor with 8gb RAM and a 2gb AMD Radeon HD 6970 graphics card.
My current PC (upgraded in September) has an Intel Core i7 4790k 4ghz processor with 16gb RAM and an Nvidia GTX 980 4gb graphics card.
Nice setup! Thanks, and you are super lucky to have that setup, it's great!
Thanks for this, been struggling with PZB for ages, just another couple of views and I should have it!
Most helpful and clear!
Rob Mallows Thanks! I'm glad you found this helpful :)
How come some signals don't get acknowledged even though I press page down button?
Great video by the way thanks for putting in the time.
This video deserves more likes.
Amazing tutorial! Very clear and explicit, thank you very much!
+Preidak Thank you! I'm glad that you enjoyed this tutorial! I hope that it's helped you out? :)
+PTGRail Yes indeed. I finally understood how to operate all those features.
PTG, this has been an absolutely invaluable tutorial.
I have just begun to drive German routes (incurring penalties due to complete lack of knowledge of this signalling system!)
Please PM me on Google+ so I can donate a steam German DLC loco to you.
t3l3phasicworksh0p Many thanks for your comment. I really hope that this tutorial helps you understand the German signalling system a bit better! I made this as no one else had done a tutorial like this in English. I was learning as I was making the video! Lol :)
I rarely use Google Plus, but I will PM you now. Many thanks for the offer of a new DLC train :)
t3l3phasicworksh0p I think I just worked out how to send a private message on Google Plus, so you should now have a message from me. Thanks :)
Great Tutorial! I found a little mistake: you pressed the PZB end-Button in Minute 19:20. But it is not allowed to press the free-button if you can see that the next distance-signal shows a double yellow or a green-yellow aspect. Furthermore, the train drivers in austria are not allowed to press the free-button if they are in restricted monitoring and they have to wait until it returns back, which happens after a certain time.
The best type of signaling
Peter, A very interesting video though I fear that I will to watch a few times before I really understand it. Many thanks, Roger Crick
Roger Crick I can understand that! It is a complicated system, but once you have practiced a few times and you 'get it', it suddenly becomes a lot easier to use. It took me around two years to 'get it' lol :) I'm glad you found the video interesting :)
Thank you very much for this tutorial.
It was very helpful.
The best PZB tutorial. Thank you for explanation! I wish I could remember all of these.. :)
Thanks for this tutorial! Just what we needed!
Thanks SO MUCH! You should make it known this is still applicable to TSW
Extremely informative guide to the German signalling system. I'm aware you made this video prior to upgrading your system. Do you recall the Anisotropic and Anti-Aliasing settings you used? I've recently upgraded my computer with an i7 6700 processor and NVidia GTX980Ti and find the game set with the highest settings a little too crisp. I also liked your Hamburg to Hannover route learning video - the colours in both these videos are stronger than I seem able to replicate. Your help would be greatly appreciated.
+Michael B Thank you, I'm glad you found this informative :) I've always has the Anistropic filtering on the highest setting, but with the anti-aliasing I think it's 4x MSAA. I'm not sure what effect they would have on the colours. I think most of the other settings were set to the highest.
Thanks, that was very useful. Now to master PZB.
+Michael B Thanks for the comment, I'm glad you found this useful :)
this is very helpful, thanks for the video man
I know now more about German and British signalling systems than about my own country's (USA) :p This was an amazing video and I would very much appreciate it if you created a USA Signalling Guide.
Best regards,
Joe.
Joe Transit Northeast corridor is simple but LIRR is a headache. I wish I New about signals around my area. It’s mostly freight lines around here. Amtrak station in the cities but you’ll mostly see freight consists. I live in rural Illinois.
Great explanation. It's heelps me very much
Thanks! I'm glad that this video has helped you a lot :)
Epic tutorial - thank you!
I hope it helped! Glad you enjoyed :)
Do you happen to know if PZB/LZB/AFP is broken in DB BR423 ?
I can't drive that one without PZB applying emergency brakes on double yellows all the time.
And i AM aknowledging the signals.
Also, i cant set the AFB in this train.
Thank you very much!
Well, i found out what was happening - you don't want to hold down the PZB aknowlegde when passing a distance signal, you want to press it shortly after you pass it.
A pretty good and helpful video, I really like it.
And I hope it helps more than a few people grappling with it, as the DTG materials on it aren't that good, and some of the best sites on the PZB and Signalling are german only.
A few remarks.....
1) this is DTG signalling, which has been remarked by a lot of german community members as being poor, so it has a few faults.
Like the 280 km/h speed limit on the Munich-Augsburg line, real life is 200 km/h.
And they generally only uses H/V signals, no KS Signals or Hl Signals, however, the german systems work by the same principle, except the Hl................and well I'll blame the Soviets for that. *
PZB has also been implemented since the Ruhr-Sieg Line, only LZB has been since Munich-Augsburg or TS 2013.
Although early versions of the PZB had faulty scripts, which lead to the signal scripts mods being used.
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Better Signals, done by the Signalteam are availlable here:
rail-sim.de/forum/wsif/index.php/Category/63-Signale/
They are widely used in third party pay and freeware routes, and work much more prototypical than DTG Signals.
2) the H-Board or Haltetafel is such a case, normally it indicates the maximum forward position at a plattform and IRL there are often multiple H-Board accounting for different train lenghts, especially at S-Bahn stations.
3) the signal with a 6 and a green seems to be such a case that should be a yellow green, as that is a speed restriction. I will check with a friend that drives trainsif a Hp1 with ZS3 is actually possible.
My sources indicate that it shouldn't be, but then he took the PZB exam, not I.
4) Important note concerning restrictive monitoring:
If either the 1000hz lamp or the 500hz lamp is illuminated, freeing from the restrictive monitoring is prohibited, and pressing the release button will lead to an emergency brake application.
If the 500hz is iluminated and you pass a Signal that was formerly red while in restrictive monitoring, top speed is limited to 25 km/h.
5) PZB in Virtual Railroads and other more realistic locos, press and release while passing the signal as you did earlier, don't wait for the alarm, that will count as not acknowledged, as IRL.
Also if you have PZB enabled, all VR Expertlines and the HRQ Taurus as well as the JT Taurus, and the Railatraction and RSSLO locos will emergency brake you if you exceed 165 km/h.
This emergency brake application can be released by pressing free and releasing the brakes.
6) other PZB modes:
If the 70 Flashes you have 29 seconds to slow down below 70 km/h.
If the 55 flashes you have 34 seconds to slow down below 55 km/h.
7) PZB in Virtual Railroads Expertline locos from the Br 103 onwards:
If you slow down too slow, i.e. don't match the expected braking curve, you will get an emergency brake application also.
8) Vmax for passing the 500hz magnet if it's red is 45 km/h for Mode O (85), 35 for Mode M (70) and 25 for Mode U (55).
If it's showing red I would just go at 25 anyway, though not quite if it's a station stop.
Which can make stopping at a station interesting, as normaly I drive 60 at the Platform's head, which is SOP real life......though if they are late I've seen 80 and more.........better grab hold of something if they do that! ;)
There is a reason those little things are called tripmines by german Railwaymen.
9) PZB Override should only be used at or below 45 km/h, otherwise, if the PZB is realistic you get another emergency brake application.
10) train driving rather autonomously under LZB is only if AFB is turned on, otherwise you have to still drive it manually.
IRL to use the AFB, you have to pass a test, since not all drivers IRL have that test it is completely feasible to drive manually, though thankfully we can also choose to simply drive with AFB.
11) the G sing indicates that you're speeding, or rather above the brake curve, respond to it by braking.......or you'll be in trouble. ;)
12) The LZB working is not prototypical, as the ingame one uses fixed block and is scripting-wise dependent on the signals to the side of the track, while the real life one uses a moving block.
So if you had a train in front that was still moving, LZB would simply give you a speed restriction to keep you at a safe distance from that train.
*Only used in Soviet Block countries and thus only on some routes in eastern germany, and that system is complicated as fuck! (Mind you that is a german saying it is complicated as fuck! ;) )
+LupusAries Thanks for taking the time to write up all of this information! I found it all very interesting. I know that the signalling systems in Train Simulator are not as accurate as in real life, so I made this video to the best of my knowledge and ability within the limitations of Train Simulator. I'll take this information on board for future videos :)
PTGRail You're welcome!
And I thought as much, if I didn't have to loco drivers as friends, I wouldn't know half as much as I do.
Concerning point 3) the green signal with a number illuminator, that is indeed true, I've seen one of these this week at my local train station.
The trouble is that most signalling books and information sites are in german only.
Should you understand german, this site has some great information
www.tf-ausbildung.de/home.htm
Additional information, to what I wrote can also be found here in part 3.31 ff.
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=247333283&searchtext=steam+locomotive
Probably the best guide to driving Kettles on steam.
Thank you very much for this tutorial! Great job!
I can't understand why DTG doesn't do something similar when we buy their games or dlc, either in video or in pdf.
They do not provide any information about railway signaling and it is very annoying!
You forget to mention the differences between signaling systems. You only explain the H/V system with distant signal and main signal, not the Ks-system that (can) combine the two into one signal and also different signaling aspects. There is even a third different system, the Hl-system, from the former GDR, but that's not really important, as I doubt any "non-german" player will ever encounter it. I only have 1 route (railyard seddin) that has a few of them, along some other "east-german-only" signals.
But it's a fantastic beginners guide you made here. I have also made a similar PZB tutorial (more in the style of a Let's play though) recently and go into even more details, but I doubt anyone will be able to sit through it all, as it has turned out quite boring and my english is not perfect :-D
morbvsclz Apologies for missing out that detail. When creating this video, I tried to learn all I could about German signalling systems and then tried to remember to include everything but unfortunately I know I missed bits out and didn't go into as much detail as I wanted to. That being said, I'm learning a lot from these comments, so thank you :) I may even make a second, additional tutorial in the future including everything I missed out here. :)
Would be great if you did. When I started to play the game I did not that these systems existed at all. Then I read about them in a manual and tried to play with them and could not figure out how to operate them quickly... So I searched the internet and ended up on website made for german train drivers in training... Which confused me even more at first. I also looked at official DB guidelines to the PZB and LZB systems but they are a combined 90+ pages, bit too much :D
But once I got the hang of it, playing without the systems was just not an option anymore. They add so much realism and additional fun. I can only imagine how hard it has to be for someone that doesn't speak german when even as a german I had problems finding them. That's why I though I should make some Tutorials in english. Maybe they contain info that can help you out working on your next Tutorial.
One Tip from me: If you want a (pretty much) flawless implementation of PZB you should forget everything you can currently get on Steam. Even the 420 and the vR locos on Steam are not perfect, they have an outdated versions of the vR PZB with a bug or two and the vR locos on Steam are just heavily downgraded variants of the expert line version they sell in their own online shop. But those are challenging to drive. Too much so to be "casual gamer" friendly probably. Plus they can't be dreaven with easy controls or a xbox controller, what seems to be important to DTG (unfortunately). For a flawless PZB simulation you should look at the HRQ Taurus or the newer virtualRailroads Expert Line locos (140, 120, 103). They are imho the best german rolling stock you can get for the game. Probably along with the 648 (my current favorite) and 628 from railtraction.
Similar things can be said about the routes. The newer free community stuff (like Hagen - Siegen v3.1.4) or 3rd party content like the "Along the Moselle valley" route from Aerosoft, are a better bet for realistic PZB. The DTG stuff has come a long way though, so maybe one day... :-D
Munich - Rosenheim and the BR152 are announced, let's hope DTG keeps their upwards trend in quality terms and both should be good.
I would really recommend picking up some of virtual railroads expert line locomotives like the br103 and br120 Peter as they really are something else in terms of both sound and features.
Benedict Cooper Thanks Benedict. I will see about getting one. the BR103 appeals to me more as I remember driving that quite a lot in MSTS, so it will be great to see in higher resolution with far more features :)
PTGRail Yeah, make sure to get the one on their site as the one on steam is quite a bit simpler (even though the same model).
Benedict Cooper Thanks for the tip, I will make sure to get the more advanced loco. The more advanced and immersive, the better! :)
very helpful and interesting too Thank you.
Great vid helped me out a lot thanks ptgrail XD
Samthesnowgolem Awesome, I'm glad it helped! :)
Great tutorial! Thanks a lot!
BIG MISTAKE at 12:04 ! In Germany we say: We acknowledge signals not magnets. This means EVERY signal that is showing a speed restriction lower than 90 kilometers per hour has to be acknowledged. (Some of them DO have an active PZB-Magnet on them.
This video was my first attempt at creating a German signalling guide. I've made a much more updated version on this channel since this one was recorded - th-cam.com/video/NR3G_WkIwaA/w-d-xo.html
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Bloody hell Pete, then you really should delete this video if you have made an updated version. Thank goodness I scrolled down and read a few comments before wasting 30 minutes of my life without realising you made an updated version three years later than this one. If you must keep this video then at least Pin a link to it at the top of the comments page so people can see it. Other than that, thank you for everything you do with tutorials such as this.
thanks for the clear video m8 :) it helped me out a lot! you really took your time for it :)
Great. Thank you so much.
No problem, happy to help! :)
very comprehensive guide thank you. just one thing i dont understand, the train doesnt slow down on its own, i have to pull the bug down to whatever speed i want to slow down to. is that meant to be that way or have i misunderstood it? anyone?
Great video! Thanks for putting the time and effort! 😀
This video is just awesome!!
Thank you very much
+Shaun Waite No problem, I hope this helped! :)
You can reset the Sifa while driving. the train don´t need to stop
Excellent video as always. Can you do one for French signalling?
I have trouble with lzb activate and increase the middle bar between speedo and light up blue butten i dont know how to activate it
Excellent video. Congratulation.
Adam Witkowski Thank you :)
Is there a guide where and what to do if you have already made an emergency brake?
the following scenario:
Gone magnet 1000 and did not have time to slow down to the threshold.
emergency braking.
after stopping, traction 0, 20% brake and press reset PZB
Accelerates and starts flashing lamp (in the version of M - 70). more than 70 can not accelerating.
Disabling PZB and include it again, certainly an option, but I suspect that is not correct, because Not all scenarios allow a change of state PZB.
How to correctly operate after the emergency brake?