Your friends ain’t your friends if they tempt you or encourage bad behavior, Espically if you’re a beginner. Either they die, or they will never ride with you again & possibly scare them off thinking that’s normal.
I know talking about safety and telling people to be careful won't be popular with everybody and could cause you to lose some followers. However riders are legit killing themselves on the roads in greater numbers than ever. I think your messages about high speeds belonging on the track are 100% what needs to be said. Thank you for the continued safety talks!
that's the internet's fault, it leads to idiots flocking towards things that they just never would before. Plus you have the "look at me look at me!!" brigade, who will quite happily lose a leg for views or their lives
The slow press and roll needs to be modified to tip in wide, tip in deep and decelerate till you see the exit and people would stop picking dumb lines and trying to guess their entry speed. There are too many influencers willing to praise trail braking without adapting it to the street by combining it with a line and lean angle suitable for the street. The fact is that people are trying to maximize lean angle when they shouldn't really worry about it till they can feel themselves following the front tire into an apex intuitively and that takes surviving for a while.
This video didn't teach me anything about keeping up with bigger bikes... If anything, it taught me that you don't need any more than 400cc for the street.
In the twisties/track a 400 can keep up just fine and even pass 600s. But if youre riding with your buddy and he doesnt tone it back so you can keep up on the freeway he's a shitty friend lol.
@@CurvesRscaryif you're driving an 1000cc on the streets to speeds an guy with a 400cc can't keep up, you're not gonna have fun for much longer i'm afraid
I had a big ole riding group that was like that when I rode my ducati monster 695, some of them had liter bikes and 600's and were so inconsiderate to less performance oriented bikes and even the homies on cbr300's! I was always the guy in the back with the beginners checking up on them and making them feel like they weren't left behind. One day I cruised with a katana 600 and a daytona 955i and they were doing 120 on a 65 so I just waved and rode my own ride. I kept riding with the group for a while but as soon as they got too rowdy I'd pull away. After my ducati got stolen I decided that whenever I got back on the streets I was gonna ride solo, cause even though that ducati could do 135 I wasn't comfortable going that fast and its not worth it to get arrested or splattered for trying to look good. Ride your own ride my dudes.
Started riding on a Ninja 300 a few months ago. Been starting to feel the itch to upgrade. Super useful video to help me think about whether an upgrade is worth it or not
I'd say get used to the feel and handling of riding a sports bike properly, such as involuntarily squeezing the tank with your thigh, then you can start thinking about updgrading.
If you have some miles/kms on you and got your fundamentals in order I do think you can make a step up to the Ninja 400. I think that'll give you a nice upgrade since your familiar with that platform and the 400 spec wise is a tad faster especially on torque. But if you have good control and can contain your throttle discipline you can go to whatever. If you want to switch from sport to naked an MT07/Z650 or any 600 class 4 cylinder or Triumph.
Don't try and keep up with anyone. Ever. If you're out with others ride at your pace, have fun. They'll wait for you at the next intersection or turn. If they don't, F*** them. Riding out of your skill set is easy for a beginner to do. Just because u hit 120mph doesn't mean u can ride. It means absolutely nothing. Anyone can do that. Take it slow. And ride your ride. If u find your self question IF you should bro something.. Don't you aren't ready. &Always think what if. (Example) "what if a kid runs out in the street if I'm going this speed " apply that concept to riding.
I've been a 600 bro for 20 years, zzr-600 then zx-6r and i've never thought i needed more and i've been riding with guys on a zx-10r.... here in the uk third gear will\could lose my licence no questions....
i got a zzr600. i upgraded to a ZX1000G N1k. and then doubled up and got a ZX10. I love the ZX10 but it definitely has more power and speed than any reasonable person needs. BUT I LOVE IT !
I ride my 400 in a group of 10-20 riders, including 600's, 1000's, and a couple of Hayabusa's. I ride near the front of the pack in the twisties and can carry more corner speed. They dust me in the straights, but I'm right up their ass when the corners come. It's a shit-load of fun!
I love my little ninja 400. 479 for a gallon of gas here in California. Getting up to 60 miles per gallon. On city. Doing the speed limit sucks but it’s a heck of a lot better than wrecking
I have a 600 and test rode the Ninja 400 a few weeks ago. Dude, your bike rocks!! 600s are fun, but much smoother and deceptively fast. 40mph on a ninja 400 felt like 60-70 on my 600. That may sound fun, but it isnt. imo 600s are so smooth that you are constantly pushed to rev to the moon to feel the shove of horsepower whereas the Ninja's twin can be played with at much lower speeds 😁 i would happily trade my 600 for a Ninja 400 if they just gave it a nicer dash
@@mikes_channel The bike is real fun on the back roads of Mount Diablo and Highway one where the corners are real tight. Also up in the Gold country with gravel roads makes it very manageable
See how you’re alive and reading this? Keep it that way. Stay off your phone, don’t do anything that you’re uncomfortable with, and always keep your eyes open. Stay safe out there.
Im starting on a 2023 zx6r, never had a bike before. The low power mode is perfect for learning. And as soon as i grow into it i can switch over to full power mode
@@MK-lq6gt Not totally true, People start on 1000's too and are just fine. A 400 is definitelly easier to start on but that doesnt mean you cant and its a bad move. No need for me to start on a 400 and then upgrade later paying for 2 bikes when i can start on a 600 with the low power mode being slower than the 400.. same weight basically. My car is faster than the bike anyway so the need to push it is null
I started on a ZX9R. My nephew bought a 250 or 400 ninja about same year as mine 5 months behind me. I drove it home for him. It was so squirrelly. Felt like a bicycle compared to the 900.
I started on a 2021 GSXR 1000. C mode with traction control on 10 I was good for about 1k miles. Now I’m in A mode with tc on 5 and I’ve put 3500 miles on it.
Surviving on the street 101. It's not a track. You have to have tire left for braking. I've had to stop for a cow, deer, scrub speed for gravel and sand. Don't guess your entry speed. It's not a track and you don't have braking markers to dial it in. Stay wide and turn in late and deep as possible for vision and to have a sharper line toward apex. Decelerate as you tip in and once you've arrived at the lean are comfortable with then modulate and maintain throttle. Don't get on the throttle until the exit is clear and you are decreasing lean angle. If the exit isn't clear you should have tire left for line adjustments if the radius changes. It's just not a race track and if you try and maximize speed and lean instead of holding to this type of line you'll eventually find 90° I've ridden hundreds of thousands of miles all over east TX twisties for over 15 years. It's a fun sport but it doesn't have to be a death sentence.
Great vid, love the concept and dialogue between you two. Next round Brandon on the 400 on the same road? So much to enjoy when your bike's power matches your route. Keep up the good stuff.👊
I love how much they emphasize that with as much skill and power they/the motorcycle has, it is MORE work and less fun trying to control it all on the street. How much the unpredictability, navigating the limits, curves, road hazards, and other people makes being a fast boi not fun and dangerous. As a beginner watching these videos it has made me not feel like a loser for not wanting to hit triple digits or have a bike over 750-800(for cruisers or standards, I would probably never get a sport or naked over 600, I’m a scenic route kinda guy, not a straightaway rocketboi,😂)
As someone who knows next to nothing and is on the fence about starting on a 300/400 class bike or jumping in on an sv650 or MT07, this was eye opening
The last 7 or 8 minutes is the important stuff everyone needs to hear. In truth, the track is where you push it and develop real control, and the street is about survival. It's not worth the risk there. Disagree at your literal peril!
The only time I almost crashed was trying to chase a better rider about a year into my riding career. If someone's ripping harder than me in the Twisties I just move to the right n let them pass.
Just had my first beginner bike stolen... literally a week and 2 hours after getting it. Looking at new ones but might never get to a bigger bike with the increased insurance, hopefully I get myself to bikes like that at some point
I'm finding more and more I really don't like riding with other people. It's too distracting and stressful. I'm thinking I would rather plan to meet friends someplace and hang out with them for a drink or snack and then everyone heads their own way from there.
Yep, have been riding 54 years. Friends doing stupid shit have killed themselves in front of me. Fun to go in the group. But, depending on who you are riding with. Someone is going to get cocky. The street is not the place. To many hazards, road debris, potholes, assholes in cars. Do the group fun stuff on the track or out in the dirt. The street stuff has taken my friends. I ride alone, tired of seeing them die right in front of me. Push it on the street, you are asking for it. There are old riders & bold riders. There are No Old Bold Riders!
Maybe you ride with the wrong friends. I ride with two of my best buddies. We have equal skill levels and none of us does stupid things on the road. No wheelies, no speeding in public. We have beautiful mountain roads here in Austria and most of the time, you can't even go much faster than speed limit in the tight twisties.
Much more fun riding a slower bike fast than riding a 200hp monster slow give it a go guys it's a scream especially if there is a few of you on the ride it's the future for certain!. Keep the monster for highway pulls and bigger flowing tracks.
My first bike was a cbr250rr, mc22, I weighed 150lbs and after a year of daily riding I had no problem keeping up with litre bikes on twisty roads. They left me like I was standing still as soon as we hit a straight tho.
started on a fully built/stroked 1000 over a month ago, no issues. if you aren't scared and know you can handle it. go for it. start slow. control the throttle. respect the bike and the law
Exactly. Learn your speed on the throttle. No need to go balls out. Johnny Law is also watching. But. Remember, there are idiots behind the wheel these days. Always think ahead, watch ahead. But keep your speed so that you can react safely.
Last week I was going around a corner and found a momma bear and her cub. Slammed the brakes, momma went left, baby went right, and i took the middle. You never know whats around the next corner, so keep it at least moderately sane.
funny how smaller bikers are getting less powerful and larger bikes are getting more powerful? My first big bike in 1999 was a CBR400RR and it made 60bhp and would do around 135mph, and my mates would be on their R6's or FZR600's , CBR600, GSXR600s etc, and it was pretty easy to keep up with them, ,especially in the twisties. Now modern 400's are seriously gimped in the power dept, just like 125s (my first 125 was a TZR125 powervalved Yamaha, which made 30bhp and did just over 100mph)
Brandons sound needs sorting if you are to continue this type of vid, your talking is clear but Brandons isnt, slightly offputting, but good vid none the less
Tip one get a bigger bike at least when it comes to the highways. When you have a 400 ninja and someone have a zx10 you are just screwed and yes 100% never ride outside your means to try and impress anyone because your life is not worth it. Just enjoy the ride.
That all depends who’s riding the starter bike and who’s riding the liter bike?? If the superior rider is on the 1000cc it will be almost impossible to keep up
Nope. Get on slow twisty curves. The heavy liter bike is going to have fits trying to keep up. Even with a good rider. 250cc class in gp racing historicaly has faster speeds in the curves, than anything else. Look it up. Sure the liter bike is faster in the straights. Besides the heavy liter bike in the corners. Most liter bike riders do not corner well out on the street. Reason why they have a liter bike. To make up for their lack of riding skill. Same thing as guys in pickup trucks. Compensating for something they lack!
@@SinOjOs-Transport I’m guess it all depends on what type of roads your referring too, those curves would have to be extremely slow and twisty to really notice a difference in weight.. unless your a little 150lb guy a liter bike isn’t very big and offers a more comfortable riding position than most 600s.. in most situations riding out with friends on public roads you will never encounter a situation where any sport bike is “too heavy” it’s all about having fun in my opinion and bigger bikes with fun engines do that for me.. sure my lap times could be better on a smaller bike in some cases but lap times isn’t what I’m all about
@@SinOjOs-Transport you ever grow up riding dirt bikes as a kid?? The old bike you’ve outgrown you can ride for all it’s got but it’s not nearly as fun as wrangling the next level bike you just moved up too.. it’s all about the excitement and process of riding something cool
@@SinOjOs-Transportdepends on how close to the edge you both are trying to be on a public road. If you still have some margin of error on each turn (as you should be) the weight differences between the two won’t take effect and both bikes will corner at the same speed. It isn’t until you start pushing the last couple % in the corner when you use that little bit of extra margin that a lighter bike can give in a corner. Also I’d make the assumption that a liter bike generally has nicer suspension and tires and overall chassis tuning than a smaller bike. The weight difference isn’t as big as you make it seem, too, unless you compare opposite extremes. Unless the roads you ride are perfect S- turns with no acceleration in between then the liter bike will more than make up for any insignificant lack of speed in the corners by blasting away between turns.
@@Chevsilverado I have been riding since I was 6 in the dirt. Now 60, do the math. When the FZ600 came out in 1986, the ninjas could not touch it in the corners, even though it was 55 hp stock. Anywhere from 75 to 100 pounds difference. Granted the modern bikes do not have as much of a weight difference as back then. Nevertheless heavier bikes simply cannot corner as fast. I will reiterate. Look up the difference in cornering speed of the various gp bike classes. It has been that way for a long time. Full lap times of the 250 class is nearly as fast as the open class. Cornering speeds faster. On a tight twisty road. A liter bike is a handful in comparison to a smaller bike. In fact you cannot use all the available power with a liter bike. I have had numerous of both over the years. One reason why all the rider aids have come about. The kind of hp they are producing now. Is simply not usable on public roads. Not safely anyways. Finesse will beat out brute force in tight curvy circumstances on public roads. Which is where 99% of riders ride. While the larger majority of riders despite their overconfidence. Are not the second coming of Kenny Roberts like they think they are on their heavy ninja.
Riding offroad on a yz250 won't teach you street skills directly, but it's awesome.for teaching you throttle/clutch control, slow speed maneuvering, and hard braking. A 125 2-stroke will teach you those things even better, but is limiting depending on your skill level. I had 20 years of motocross and xc racing experience before going to street. I was far beyond other new street riders that didn't have any offroad experience, but I still had/have a lot to learn about street riding, which I've been doing for a couple years now
A little confused on when your upshifting. Recently got my first bike which is a ninja 400, and on the manual it says to up shift much earlier. But obviously you’re a much more experienced rider. So can you give an insight on shifting maybe??
I would say whatever rpm your peak power is. Doesn’t really do any good to rev it past wherever your peak is cuz you’re losing acceleration at that point. If you can find a dyno chart for your bike it’ll show exactly what rpm it hits peak power
With more revs you get more power, more noise, and higher fuel consumption. With less revs you get less power, less noise, and lower fuel consumption. You can choose what you want in any given situation.
@@Sp4cecowbyWhen riding hard shift at a higher RPM because there’s much more power there. When just putting around town shift earlier to save gas and not be obnoxious. However if you constantly shift really early and keep your engine RPM below like 4500, you can actually be stressing your engine. Same is true if you bang it off of redline all the time. On a ninja 400 I believe peak power is just before redline and then goes flat, so if you’re trying to accelerate the fastest shift right at redline and it’ll give you the best acceleration. Eventually you just ride to how the bike feels. How it sounds, if it’s bogging down, etc. there’s no set numbers to follow because it’s always different in different situations.
Yep, read the old Kenny Roberts articles. He trained his team riders on 90cc. You need to learn how to go fast on a slow bike, before you can truly go fast on a fast bike. More to it than horsepower alone!
We all know these guys has already did crazy speeds on the street😆. Obviously they have to be responsible on their video content. But no one ride an R6 on the street to stay forever close to the speed limit.
today i was riding when i randamly encoutered another rider on a very nice bendy road. he was leading on a bike that looked like a 600ish single cylinder of an older type i couldnt see exactly but he wasnt fast in straight line. i was on my pretty fast 22 xsr 900 and on that bendy road i could barely follow let alone overtake. my point is you can be just as fast on a slower bike when you practice your skills. marquez would smoke us all on a 125cc scooter 😅
It's not the bike, it's the rider. I've been the fastest in a group, and also the slowest. Racing dirt bikes on a YZ250 and my cousin's son was faster on an 85, lol...
“You don’t want to go 150 it’s not the right thing to do” 😂 😂 😂 come on yammie… everyone should just ride a grom then what’s the point of having a super sport motorcycle if you drive it like your in a little commuter car??
It depends on what kind of control over yourself you have. I bought an FZ09 as my first. Some would have you believe that's a stupid bike to get as a first, but I kept control of myself and I realized my limits. 3 seasons in and I haven't felt like I've outgrown the bike and need a bigger one. With rider modes and different aids, you can unlock bikes now as you grow. But it takes some real self reflection. Do you trust yourself not to be a fool while you grow into the bike? You have to be honest with yourself...
@@rileylofin7653 if you can handle yourself and have the extra cash, go for the bigger bike, imo. It would be a waste of money to go smaller and want to replace it sooner.
On the track, there's a big and almost unsurmountable difference between 400 and supersport bikes, but virtually no gap between supersport bikes of, say 600 and 1000. But, yeah, if you're doing a trackday and you're on a supersport of any sort (even the R7) then those 400cc bikes are just moving obstacles. It's not just the weight/power but the ability of supersport bikes to turn every turn into a fast sweeper.
Depends. Sweepers yes. But real tight stuff no. Weight makes a big difference. More about finesse than horsepower.🎉 If you can afford a superleggera at 335.5 lbs dry. Sure, few can afford that. Most liter bikes are 80-100 lbs heavier. Sledge hammer or scalpel. Tight stuff scalpel, long straights sledge hammer!
JUST RIDE YOUR RIDE LOL PLAYING KEEP UP GET"S YOU HURT !!!!! GET YOUR SKILL"S UP ASAP DON"T BE BLOODY MEAT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD!!!!! ROAD KILL IS A REAL THING !!!!!!!!
It took 3 years, but grannie toob finally did it 🙏
Your friends ain’t your friends if they tempt you or encourage bad behavior, Espically if you’re a beginner. Either they die, or they will never ride with you again & possibly scare them off thinking that’s normal.
I know talking about safety and telling people to be careful won't be popular with everybody and could cause you to lose some followers. However riders are legit killing themselves on the roads in greater numbers than ever. I think your messages about high speeds belonging on the track are 100% what needs to be said. Thank you for the continued safety talks!
He shouldn’t lose followers for sharing his opinion. People can take or ignore the advice.
Thanks for the tip mom. :D
that's the internet's fault, it leads to idiots flocking towards things that they just never would before.
Plus you have the "look at me look at me!!" brigade, who will quite happily lose a leg for views or their lives
The slow press and roll needs to be modified to tip in wide, tip in deep and decelerate till you see the exit and people would stop picking dumb lines and trying to guess their entry speed. There are too many influencers willing to praise trail braking without adapting it to the street by combining it with a line and lean angle suitable for the street. The fact is that people are trying to maximize lean angle when they shouldn't really worry about it till they can feel themselves following the front tire into an apex intuitively and that takes surviving for a while.
This video didn't teach me anything about keeping up with bigger bikes... If anything, it taught me that you don't need any more than 400cc for the street.
In the twisties/track a 400 can keep up just fine and even pass 600s. But if youre riding with your buddy and he doesnt tone it back so you can keep up on the freeway he's a shitty friend lol.
So true
Listen I bought a 1000cc to go fast, it's impossible for me to slow down, it's too fun
@@CurvesRscaryif you're driving an 1000cc on the streets to speeds an guy with a 400cc can't keep up, you're not gonna have fun for much longer i'm afraid
It's easy: Don't! Do not keep up with riders exceeding your skillset. You have a beginner bike because you are a beginner.
Agree 100%
I have a beginner bike because I love beginner bikes!
and any good friend will wait for you, otherwise it might be time to reconsider your friendship 😂
I had a big ole riding group that was like that when I rode my ducati monster 695, some of them had liter bikes and 600's and were so inconsiderate to less performance oriented bikes and even the homies on cbr300's! I was always the guy in the back with the beginners checking up on them and making them feel like they weren't left behind. One day I cruised with a katana 600 and a daytona 955i and they were doing 120 on a 65 so I just waved and rode my own ride. I kept riding with the group for a while but as soon as they got too rowdy I'd pull away. After my ducati got stolen I decided that whenever I got back on the streets I was gonna ride solo, cause even though that ducati could do 135 I wasn't comfortable going that fast and its not worth it to get arrested or splattered for trying to look good. Ride your own ride my dudes.
Started riding on a Ninja 300 a few months ago. Been starting to feel the itch to upgrade. Super useful video to help me think about whether an upgrade is worth it or not
then imagine what it feels like to ride an mt-125 after a years ownership 🤣🤣
Don't upgrade yet, focus on fundamentals
I'd say get used to the feel and handling of riding a sports bike properly, such as involuntarily squeezing the tank with your thigh, then you can start thinking about updgrading.
If you have some miles/kms on you and got your fundamentals in order I do think you can make a step up to the Ninja 400. I think that'll give you a nice upgrade since your familiar with that platform and the 400 spec wise is a tad faster especially on torque. But if you have good control and can contain your throttle discipline you can go to whatever.
If you want to switch from sport to naked an MT07/Z650 or any 600 class 4 cylinder or Triumph.
EU things @@felixlundin019 If i'm not mistaken 1 more year to go for when you can go A2. 💯
Don't try and keep up with anyone. Ever. If you're out with others ride at your pace, have fun. They'll wait for you at the next intersection or turn. If they don't, F*** them. Riding out of your skill set is easy for a beginner to do. Just because u hit 120mph doesn't mean u can ride. It means absolutely nothing. Anyone can do that. Take it slow. And ride your ride. If u find your self question IF you should bro something.. Don't you aren't ready. &Always think what if. (Example) "what if a kid runs out in the street if I'm going this speed " apply that concept to riding.
I've been a 600 bro for 20 years, zzr-600 then zx-6r and i've never thought i needed more and i've been riding with guys on a zx-10r.... here in the uk third gear will\could lose my licence no questions....
i got a zzr600. i upgraded to a ZX1000G N1k. and then doubled up and got a ZX10. I love the ZX10 but it definitely has more power and speed than any reasonable person needs. BUT I LOVE IT !
there's a reason that 600cc has been king of biking for 30 years, you can have a lot more, but where can you use it? Especially on British roads
@@Drobium77 oh i open it up all the time. I will put up big numbers and rip
"Haul so much mail" lmao I love it!
I ride my 400 in a group of 10-20 riders, including 600's, 1000's, and a couple of Hayabusa's. I ride near the front of the pack in the twisties and can carry more corner speed. They dust me in the straights, but I'm right up their ass when the corners come. It's a shit-load of fun!
I love my little ninja 400. 479 for a gallon of gas here in California. Getting up to 60 miles per gallon. On city. Doing the speed limit sucks but it’s a heck of a lot better than wrecking
I have a 600 and test rode the Ninja 400 a few weeks ago. Dude, your bike rocks!! 600s are fun, but much smoother and deceptively fast. 40mph on a ninja 400 felt like 60-70 on my 600. That may sound fun, but it isnt. imo 600s are so smooth that you are constantly pushed to rev to the moon to feel the shove of horsepower whereas the Ninja's twin can be played with at much lower speeds 😁 i would happily trade my 600 for a Ninja 400 if they just gave it a nicer dash
@@mikes_channel The bike is real fun on the back roads of Mount Diablo and Highway one where the corners are real tight. Also up in the Gold country with gravel roads makes it very manageable
It's not about how fast you can go. It's how slow you don't go.
Gixxer Brah would of kept up with the R6 on his back wheel😂 and stayed in his lane
See how you’re alive and reading this? Keep it that way. Stay off your phone, don’t do anything that you’re uncomfortable with, and always keep your eyes open. Stay safe out there.
Im starting on a 2023 zx6r, never had a bike before. The low power mode is perfect for learning. And as soon as i grow into it i can switch over to full power mode
Bad move… I’m a returning beginner on a GSXR 600 with 2 track days experience. I’m thinking about selling it and downgrading to a 400/ rc390
@@MK-lq6gt Not totally true, People start on 1000's too and are just fine. A 400 is definitelly easier to start on but that doesnt mean you cant and its a bad move. No need for me to start on a 400 and then upgrade later paying for 2 bikes when i can start on a 600 with the low power mode being slower than the 400.. same weight basically. My car is faster than the bike anyway so the need to push it is null
Good move on starting on a zx6r in my opinion. Take your time and you’ll do just fine.
I started on a ZX9R. My nephew bought a 250 or 400 ninja about same year as mine 5 months behind me. I drove it home for him. It was so squirrelly. Felt like a bicycle compared to the 900.
I started on a 2021 GSXR 1000. C mode with traction control on 10 I was good for about 1k miles. Now I’m in A mode with tc on 5 and I’ve put 3500 miles on it.
"oh you still there?" hits tripple digits 🤣love you guys
Great vid! I ride a Z400 and thought about upgrading. Maybe one day. But yeah, I think I have everything what I need. Thanks.
Surviving on the street 101. It's not a track. You have to have tire left for braking. I've had to stop for a cow, deer, scrub speed for gravel and sand. Don't guess your entry speed. It's not a track and you don't have braking markers to dial it in. Stay wide and turn in late and deep as possible for vision and to have a sharper line toward apex. Decelerate as you tip in and once you've arrived at the lean are comfortable with then modulate and maintain throttle. Don't get on the throttle until the exit is clear and you are decreasing lean angle. If the exit isn't clear you should have tire left for line adjustments if the radius changes. It's just not a race track and if you try and maximize speed and lean instead of holding to this type of line you'll eventually find 90° I've ridden hundreds of thousands of miles all over east TX twisties for over 15 years. It's a fun sport but it doesn't have to be a death sentence.
My best advice on the street ride alone if you don't at least ride your own ride don't try following someone you will get hurt!
15:41 Too true. Beware of cars. They like to mess with motorcycles. Especially SUVs that are just over built station wagons.
I am impressed. A racer that is a true racer. Talent combined with thinking. Good report guys.
Great vid, love the concept and dialogue between you two. Next round Brandon on the 400 on the same road? So much to enjoy when your bike's power matches your route. Keep up the good stuff.👊
I love how much they emphasize that with as much skill and power they/the motorcycle has, it is MORE work and less fun trying to control it all on the street. How much the unpredictability, navigating the limits, curves, road hazards, and other people makes being a fast boi not fun and dangerous. As a beginner watching these videos it has made me not feel like a loser for not wanting to hit triple digits or have a bike over 750-800(for cruisers or standards, I would probably never get a sport or naked over 600, I’m a scenic route kinda guy, not a straightaway rocketboi,😂)
As someone who knows next to nothing and is on the fence about starting on a 300/400 class bike or jumping in on an sv650 or MT07, this was eye opening
"48 of the Lord's horsepower". That's an all time line
Still enough to get you banned or killed
A salesmen once said to me, "it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than it is to ride a fast bike slow." And I couldn't agree more.
“ The Lord’s Horsepower “
I’m not even Christian, and this is admirable terminology.
Alright! Hope you guys win this year!
The last 7 or 8 minutes is the important stuff everyone needs to hear. In truth, the track is where you push it and develop real control, and the street is about survival. It's not worth the risk there. Disagree at your literal peril!
Recently, I went to the dealership to get a feel for some of the new bikes, but 400cc feels small now 😅😂
The only time I almost crashed was trying to chase a better rider about a year into my riding career.
If someone's ripping harder than me in the Twisties I just move to the right n let them pass.
yes, let the buggers pass, they will learn in time, you have learnt now!
I love how these past couple videos are you on the exact spec bike I just bought last week 😂 KRT edition tho
Just had my first beginner bike stolen... literally a week and 2 hours after getting it. Looking at new ones but might never get to a bigger bike with the increased insurance, hopefully I get myself to bikes like that at some point
Would love to get that 400
I'm finding more and more I really don't like riding with other people. It's too distracting and stressful. I'm thinking I would rather plan to meet friends someplace and hang out with them for a drink or snack and then everyone heads their own way from there.
Yep, have been riding 54 years. Friends doing stupid shit have killed themselves in front of me. Fun to go in the group. But, depending on who you are riding with.
Someone is going to get cocky. The street is not the place. To many hazards, road debris, potholes, assholes in cars.
Do the group fun stuff on the track or out in the dirt.
The street stuff has taken my friends. I ride alone, tired of seeing them die right in front of me.
Push it on the street, you are asking for it.
There are old riders & bold riders. There are No Old Bold Riders!
Maybe you ride with the wrong friends. I ride with two of my best buddies. We have equal skill levels and none of us does stupid things on the road. No wheelies, no speeding in public. We have beautiful mountain roads here in Austria and most of the time, you can't even go much faster than speed limit in the tight twisties.
On a mountain with my rc 125 I passed my dad on a mt 09 and had to wait for him
Broo you in texas out here in This heat with that gear i knooooo you hot mannn
Much more fun riding a slower bike fast than riding a 200hp monster slow give it a go guys it's a scream especially if there is a few of you on the ride it's the future for certain!. Keep the monster for highway pulls and bigger flowing tracks.
I say it boils down to don't race on the street.
My first bike was a cbr250rr, mc22, I weighed 150lbs and after a year of daily riding I had no problem keeping up with litre bikes on twisty roads. They left me like I was standing still as soon as we hit a straight tho.
started on a fully built/stroked 1000 over a month ago, no issues. if you aren't scared and know you can handle it. go for it. start slow. control the throttle. respect the bike and the law
Exactly. Learn your speed on the throttle. No need to go balls out. Johnny Law is also watching. But. Remember, there are idiots behind the wheel these days. Always think ahead, watch ahead. But keep your speed so that you can react safely.
Ride at No.2 in the group. The leader makes sure you're OK, everyone else follows.
Last week I was going around a corner and found a momma bear and her cub. Slammed the brakes, momma went left, baby went right, and i took the middle. You never know whats around the next corner, so keep it at least moderately sane.
Get a 390 Duke and follow the liter-bikes :)
RIDE AT YOUR OWN PACE. NEVER TRY AND KEEP UP AND RIDE BEYOND YOUR COMFORT.
Dont. Especially if you are a beginner.
Lost creek 🔥
Ride your own ride.....
If you wanna live ride your own ride. Don’t be pressured into stupidity.
Crack that R6 v-tec yo. Doh..
funny how smaller bikers are getting less powerful and larger bikes are getting more powerful?
My first big bike in 1999 was a CBR400RR and it made 60bhp and would do around 135mph, and my mates would be on their R6's or FZR600's , CBR600, GSXR600s etc, and it was pretty easy to keep up with them, ,especially in the twisties.
Now modern 400's are seriously gimped in the power dept, just like 125s (my first 125 was a TZR125 powervalved Yamaha, which made 30bhp and did just over 100mph)
Not fair I feel like it should of been done on a 300 basis I feel that’s most riders beginner bikes even in 2023
I’m that 14 year old on a ninja lol
isn’t the license age 16?
Which road was that?? I take quick little rips out on Barton Creek Blvd all the time but I’ve never come across that rd.
Brandons sound needs sorting if you are to continue this type of vid, your talking is clear but Brandons isnt, slightly offputting, but good vid none the less
Your licence is not suspended yet ?
✨Exactly✨
Tip one get a bigger bike at least when it comes to the highways. When you have a 400 ninja and someone have a zx10 you are just screwed and yes 100% never ride outside your means to try and impress anyone because your life is not worth it. Just enjoy the ride.
How is this a group ride on an open road if you re not redlining r6 on at least first 5 gears 😅😅😅
That all depends who’s riding the starter bike and who’s riding the liter bike?? If the superior rider is on the 1000cc it will be almost impossible to keep up
Nope.
Get on slow twisty curves. The heavy liter bike is going to have fits trying to keep up. Even with a good rider.
250cc class in gp racing historicaly has faster speeds in the curves, than anything else. Look it up.
Sure the liter bike is faster in the straights. Besides the heavy liter bike in the corners. Most liter bike riders do not corner well out on the street. Reason why they have a liter bike. To make up for their lack of riding skill.
Same thing as guys in pickup trucks. Compensating for something they lack!
@@SinOjOs-Transport I’m guess it all depends on what type of roads your referring too, those curves would have to be extremely slow and twisty to really notice a difference in weight.. unless your a little 150lb guy a liter bike isn’t very big and offers a more comfortable riding position than most 600s.. in most situations riding out with friends on public roads you will never encounter a situation where any sport bike is “too heavy” it’s all about having fun in my opinion and bigger bikes with fun engines do that for me.. sure my lap times could be better on a smaller bike in some cases but lap times isn’t what I’m all about
@@SinOjOs-Transport you ever grow up riding dirt bikes as a kid?? The old bike you’ve outgrown you can ride for all it’s got but it’s not nearly as fun as wrangling the next level bike you just moved up too.. it’s all about the excitement and process of riding something cool
@@SinOjOs-Transportdepends on how close to the edge you both are trying to be on a public road.
If you still have some margin of error on each turn (as you should be) the weight differences between the two won’t take effect and both bikes will corner at the same speed. It isn’t until you start pushing the last couple % in the corner when you use that little bit of extra margin that a lighter bike can give in a corner.
Also I’d make the assumption that a liter bike generally has nicer suspension and tires and overall chassis tuning than a smaller bike. The weight difference isn’t as big as you make it seem, too, unless you compare opposite extremes.
Unless the roads you ride are perfect S- turns with no acceleration in between then the liter bike will more than make up for any insignificant lack of speed in the corners by blasting away between turns.
@@Chevsilverado I have been riding since I was 6 in the dirt. Now 60, do the math. When the FZ600 came out in 1986, the ninjas could not touch it in the corners, even though it was 55 hp stock. Anywhere from 75 to 100 pounds difference.
Granted the modern bikes do not have as much of a weight difference as back then. Nevertheless heavier bikes simply cannot corner as fast.
I will reiterate. Look up the difference in cornering speed of the various gp bike classes. It has been that way for a long time. Full lap times of the 250 class is nearly as fast as the open class. Cornering speeds faster.
On a tight twisty road. A liter bike is a handful in comparison to a smaller bike. In fact you cannot use all the available power with a liter bike. I have had numerous of both over the years.
One reason why all the rider aids have come about. The kind of hp they are producing now. Is simply not usable on public roads. Not safely anyways.
Finesse will beat out brute force in tight curvy circumstances on public roads. Which is where 99% of riders ride. While the larger majority of riders despite their overconfidence. Are not the second coming of Kenny Roberts like they think they are on their heavy ninja.
Can I ask when he was dritfing wide at 17:56 did he just press the back brake or something else please.
That’s the calmest group ride I’ve ever seen lol. San Antonio group rides go 120+ on the highway with traffic lol. It’s why I ride solo.
bro fr how do these 14 year olds get so good? isn’t the license age 16??
Will riding a dirt bike (yz250 2 stroke) help me
1 Convince my parents to let me get a street bike
2 Help me learn the road
Riding offroad on a yz250 won't teach you street skills directly, but it's awesome.for teaching you throttle/clutch control, slow speed maneuvering, and hard braking. A 125 2-stroke will teach you those things even better, but is limiting depending on your skill level.
I had 20 years of motocross and xc racing experience before going to street. I was far beyond other new street riders that didn't have any offroad experience, but I still had/have a lot to learn about street riding, which I've been doing for a couple years now
What camera Tammie doob using ???
No you!!!!!
Nice
Or, just ride alone
Indeed.
Have had my Nightster for about 2+ weeks now. Not expecting friends day1.
Got my nightster s like 4 months ago still no friends lol
@@skthagreat8313 Have a fun ride
Why didn’t you get the CFMOTO 450ss?
My 300 fighting for its life to make it to 85
Yammy has a tail?
That looks like 2222
A little confused on when your upshifting. Recently got my first bike which is a ninja 400, and on the manual it says to up shift much earlier. But obviously you’re a much more experienced rider. So can you give an insight on shifting maybe??
The shift points in the manual are about fuel efficiency, not performance. It's OK to rev much higher if you want.
I would say whatever rpm your peak power is. Doesn’t really do any good to rev it past wherever your peak is cuz you’re losing acceleration at that point. If you can find a dyno chart for your bike it’ll show exactly what rpm it hits peak power
With more revs you get more power, more noise, and higher fuel consumption.
With less revs you get less power, less noise, and lower fuel consumption.
You can choose what you want in any given situation.
@@easyfromtnbtw3555 gotcha thanks, I’ll look into that
@@Sp4cecowbyWhen riding hard shift at a higher RPM because there’s much more power there. When just putting around town shift earlier to save gas and not be obnoxious.
However if you constantly shift really early and keep your engine RPM below like 4500, you can actually be stressing your engine. Same is true if you bang it off of redline all the time.
On a ninja 400 I believe peak power is just before redline and then goes flat, so if you’re trying to accelerate the fastest shift right at redline and it’ll give you the best acceleration.
Eventually you just ride to how the bike feels. How it sounds, if it’s bogging down, etc. there’s no set numbers to follow because it’s always different in different situations.
Yammie Squid
fast bike is for straight line..
twisties are for fast riders
Yep, read the old Kenny Roberts articles. He trained his team riders on 90cc.
You need to learn how to go fast on a slow bike, before you can truly go fast on a fast bike. More to it than horsepower alone!
We all know these guys has already did crazy speeds on the street😆. Obviously they have to be responsible on their video content. But no one ride an R6 on the street to stay forever close to the speed limit.
today i was riding when i randamly encoutered another rider on a very nice bendy road. he was leading on a bike that looked like a 600ish single cylinder of an older type i couldnt see exactly but he wasnt fast in straight line. i was on my pretty fast 22 xsr 900 and on that bendy road i could barely follow let alone overtake. my point is you can be just as fast on a slower bike when you practice your skills. marquez would smoke us all on a 125cc scooter 😅
Ride a 50cc scooter. You’ll learn real fast how to keep up. 😂
Don't
It's not the bike, it's the rider. I've been the fastest in a group, and also the slowest. Racing dirt bikes on a YZ250 and my cousin's son was faster on an 85, lol...
“You don’t want to go 150 it’s not the right thing to do” 😂 😂 😂 come on yammie… everyone should just ride a grom then what’s the point of having a super sport motorcycle if you drive it like your in a little commuter car??
Learn to corner and you'll catch most bikes
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yeah just don’t try to keep up with bigger bikes. that’s a great way to get hurt.
this goes to show that 400s are big bikes in disguise
ffs its like listening to someones dads. We get it, do the speed limit. No ones going jail lads, calm down.
I just passed my msf course and I’m wondering if I can get a 790 duke or a 890r as my first motorcycle what do y’all think
Go for it if you are suicidal.
If you get one, family will turn you in, the white coats will be by shortly, to put the straight jacket on you!
It depends on what kind of control over yourself you have. I bought an FZ09 as my first. Some would have you believe that's a stupid bike to get as a first, but I kept control of myself and I realized my limits. 3 seasons in and I haven't felt like I've outgrown the bike and need a bigger one. With rider modes and different aids, you can unlock bikes now as you grow.
But it takes some real self reflection. Do you trust yourself not to be a fool while you grow into the bike? You have to be honest with yourself...
@damaged_case yes j do trust my self and self control what is the better bike out of the 790 and 890r which would you get
@@rileylofin7653 if you can handle yourself and have the extra cash, go for the bigger bike, imo. It would be a waste of money to go smaller and want to replace it sooner.
best bet is to borrow from someone who owns a 790 duke, it's a very torque-y bike. Feel it and see if you can handle it really well.
Ride faster...
I just knew this was gonna be a Ninja 400 against, like, an R1. I wanna see the video against REAL big bikes, not the middleweight jawns
On the track, there's a big and almost unsurmountable difference between 400 and supersport bikes, but virtually no gap between supersport bikes of, say 600 and 1000. But, yeah, if you're doing a trackday and you're on a supersport of any sort (even the R7) then those 400cc bikes are just moving obstacles. It's not just the weight/power but the ability of supersport bikes to turn every turn into a fast sweeper.
Depends. Sweepers yes. But real tight stuff no. Weight makes a big difference. More about finesse than horsepower.🎉
If you can afford a superleggera at 335.5 lbs dry. Sure, few can afford that. Most liter bikes are 80-100 lbs heavier.
Sledge hammer or scalpel. Tight stuff scalpel, long straights sledge hammer!
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