This thing is a BEAST, but it's not for most people (because of the expense). But for the 5% of you that'll ball out on an engine like this, our hats are off to you👌 Plus, to get this much power in a package this small is pretty incredible.
News reports East coast bracing itself, let's just hope it not only stays offshore, but blows itself out. Got fingers crossed for you. Oh, yes if evacuation ordered get out, vids can wait.
I think you guys are missing the point.. if they wanted instant high HP numbers, yes, an LS swap would happen... I think it's more of a 'let's see what we can make out of this with our own fabrication and learn new skills doing it" kind of thing. Thats why I enjoy this channel.
Zoron Stillwater yep, that’s why it’s the most popular engine swap in the industry, right ? Guess what, prior to the ls, the go to motor was the smallblock chevy. But let me guess, you want some turbocharged 16 valve 4 holer to dump into your ma’s accord don’t you. Typical. Go enjoy your soy shake.
Who says you cant? That’s something different the internet hasn’t seen. Everyone has seen these predators and tilotson 212s built thousands of times and motorcycle motors in go karts. No one has seen a LS in a little go kart
I'm still learning small engines and 4 stroke theory, I gotta say that whiteboard session actually gave me a mental breakthrough on how this stuff works. Even in a small engine, changing ratios of separate operations can make a huge difference. It's so fascinating.
A group of my friends and I had a race to see who could take these apart and put them together while blindfolded (teams of two with only one person blindfolded and the other guy in charge of hardwares) took about an hour. They’re great engines to buy if you want to learn how engines work
The brass fittings you added the the valve cover need to be pointing up so oil can't drain down them when splashed Into them, you will end up losing lots of oil
nstrack1017 agreed. Two of those “breathers” are going to be completely useless as soon as oil gets into the line. These guys have good intentions, but lack of knowledge. Or the builds are just too fast and not thought out well.
@@tebibyte2357 With ME installing it? YOU BET! (~_^)-b Hell! I can install a 500 CID Cadillac engine in a Honda! You might find the SEATING has to be changed a wee bit...but I can make it FIT... [HOP HOP HOP!] /)/) ( 'ˬ') @(>_ )-b \) \)
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Stay, safe and dry. Can we assume the place for Carsandcameras is still in the works? Since the new restrictions REALLY cramp your style. When do you hope to be in the new location?
I can’t wait to do that build on a go kart. I’m trying to build a go kart for ice fishing to pull sleds onto the ice and have fun rippin around the ice when the fishing is slow. I’m trying to decide if I wanna put tracks and skis or just stud some tires. I’m not sure what state you guys are in but it’d be cool to see you guys rip around some frozen lakes.
Beautiful build, nice work gentlemen. Love that flywheel. 👌🏼 if you get a modified head it also won’t match that head. I had to drill the dowel sleeve up to the Predator 11mm size and every head gasket I drill up as well.
That has to be a big valve head . If so , the intake valve would be 32 mm . With a bigger carb (28mm-30mm ) would help it a lot . Great vid ! I keep rewatching! Lol
Hope ya'll are gonna be safe if this hurricane hits! I'm preparing for it myself, myrtle beach can't exactly hold all that much rain, haha. Love the channel, good luck and stay safe guys.
I have been to VIR (Virginia international raceway) so many times since I was young with my grandfather, he’s a racing instructor, and we’d drive those go carts there so much, so as I’m stationed in japan I really hope you make a great video at vir and it can remind me of home a little
You guys need a mini lathe and a press(arbor or hydro). The cut to fit push rods should be a good enough reason to get them, but then you can use them for so much more.
$1500 for 20 something hp? Not trying to hate but damn that is an absolutely horrible deal. I understand they are into these specific type of engines etc but wow I just don't get how this is a good deal for anyone. So many more options with way more power at a comparable size and weight for way less money.
Need to run it on a dyno. Gets your settings spot on and no more guessing about the power, 20 is a pretty ambitious claim...... on the dyno my sons Honda GX 160 kadet motor makes 7.4 so you got a killer 200!
It's called the scraper ring Ike. Fun fact, 351 Clevelands come with 1.72:1 rockers from the factory. I still can't imagine spending $1500 on a glorified generator motor... for that you can buy a wrecked Polaris or motorcycle and make a LOT more power.
Have you guy's considered special coatings on the bore and bearing surfaces. Something like Nikasil or Diamond layer coatings and ceramic coated pistons. For a single cylinder it should not be too expensive. Also trying to get a head properly milled and CNC ported. Would be awesome to see what that kind of work does on these motors.
You could also put a bigger jet and on the end of the mikuni where he air filter sits you can add a velocity stack with a 90° hose that faces forward (direction of movement) meaning you would increase airflow while moving which will increase power
Yes it is. Have one a 1994 wheel horse It has the manual trans and a transfer case for another set of ultra low bearing. I've pulled a triumph with flat tires and locked brakes up a muddy hill with it in low range first gear. Best lawn tractor ever made
If you made 3 more of those engines and weld them together, you would make 848cc. Maybe you guys can build a go cart with a 1999 Honda Civic body, it would be (When Cars and Camera’s vtec kicks in)
I enjoy your videos and the way you don't take yourselves to seriously. Also, to me venting the head back to the block makes no sense. The holes for pushrods, etc are much bigger anyway. My norm is to vent head to a common bigger hose that runs up as high as practical with a filter or similar to let it breath. that way oil keeps trying to run back into engine. your way are you really venting anything?
Protect yourself! I built a 10,000 rpm SBC and it was scary. I went through three engines because if catastrophic failures! But can you show us the true rpm somehow?
Ya know...with all that chrome I'd have wirebrushed the stock block to make it match. Might be worth doing. A single piston pushing 10k rpm... pretty impressive.
I built a stock rod Honda with 18 pounds of torque on the rod flattop piston tilitson carb cut 100 thousands off the head gapless top ring it held 340 pounds of compression if you didn't have it just past the compression stroke it rip your arm off but it turned 8000 or so and made around 20 horse but had stock flywheel and I ran 110 octane race fuel and went from factory 16 degrees of ignition timing to 40 degrees it was only good for eighth Mile blast or it would get hot but the timing made that thing fly
This thing is a BEAST, but it's not for most people (because of the expense). But for the 5% of you that'll ball out on an engine like this, our hats are off to you👌 Plus, to get this much power in a package this small is pretty incredible.
that's thing is gonna scream when I saw 10,00 I thought yall had bought a rotary 😂
bwahaha 24mm carb u guys are actually incredibly not smart
You are right, spending $1500 on a $200 engine is equivalent too gold plating a turd. Can't wait to see what this gold plated turd does.
Even though it will beat itself to pieces...
For $1500 I'd rather buy a dirt bike or atv motor and put it into something. You wouldn't be paying that much if you weren't sponsored by GPS.
Guys, stay safe over the next few days. Isaac, hope the property doesn't flood again.
Thank you, we're going to need it.
News reports East coast bracing itself, let's just hope it not only stays offshore, but blows itself out. Got fingers crossed for you. Oh, yes if evacuation ordered get out, vids can wait.
I hope it doesn’t too man. Take care
For the price of this engine build you could LS swap a go-cart.
No doubt. Not a fair comparison though. No one is cross shopping a 212cc engine with a 350ci engine.
or buy a 636 cc street bike engine from kawasaki and have 150 hp 14k rpm engine
I think you guys are missing the point.. if they wanted instant high HP numbers, yes, an LS swap would happen... I think it's more of a 'let's see what we can make out of this with our own fabrication and learn new skills doing it" kind of thing. Thats why I enjoy this channel.
Zoron Stillwater yep, that’s why it’s the most popular engine swap in the industry, right ? Guess what, prior to the ls, the go to motor was the smallblock chevy. But let me guess, you want some turbocharged 16 valve 4 holer to dump into your ma’s accord don’t you. Typical. Go enjoy your soy shake.
Who says you cant? That’s something different the internet hasn’t seen. Everyone has seen these predators and tilotson 212s built thousands of times and motorcycle motors in go karts. No one has seen a LS in a little go kart
I'm still learning small engines and 4 stroke theory, I gotta say that whiteboard session actually gave me a mental breakthrough on how this stuff works. Even in a small engine, changing ratios of separate operations can make a huge difference. It's so fascinating.
A group of my friends and I had a race to see who could take these apart and put them together while blindfolded (teams of two with only one person blindfolded and the other guy in charge of hardwares) took about an hour. They’re great engines to buy if you want to learn how engines work
Ssgddvdddd
livin south of the mason dixon line and spending their days tuning small engines... is this video feed from heaven ?
You guys need to buy some land a build a track and shop with recording studio.
I think ike already got land usable for that
We're working on it
@@CarsandCameras hi
Basically John needs to move out.
@@CarsandCameras awesome
Cinematicly, this is your best vid yet. Kudos to the videographer/editor. Great content too.
Drag rail just hanging on the ceiling of Issac's garage. Dang.
You guys kill me man. When the police were called, the look on Ike's face was priceless😂
I hope Isaac has moved vehicles he doesn't want to get flooded, that hurricane Dorian looks like a bad time
Loved the music choice for this video. Engine building with Ike is so damn relaxing. Great video
Since You start with saying you started with the wrong kit instantly disinterested me too the success of your build
The brass fittings you added the the valve cover need to be pointing up so oil can't drain down them when splashed Into them, you will end up losing lots of oil
nstrack1017 agreed. Two of those “breathers” are going to be completely useless as soon as oil gets into the line. These guys have good intentions, but lack of knowledge. Or the builds are just too fast and not thought out well.
No way another predator build I'm so suprised
What else would they do a build on? A shitty Honda GX? Lmfao
Love the channel, can you explain the science behind the crankcase breather hoses? That was the reason I clicked.
I have a motorcycle mechanics diploma and this is bringing it all back the teaching i mean.
Lets see some of that 300zx in the back
that guy looks and sounds exactly what i would expect the expert in tuning lawnmower engines looks like! love the work and obvs the style! send it!
Great back ground tune today guys
1:1 vs 1:1.3 A 1:1.3 ratio means 1 inch of lift of cam produced 1.3 inches of lift at the valve.
King Motorsport that’s what he said Incase if you misunderstood
That trip sounds about as close to roadkill as you can come with karting. Can't wait for the episode!
Insane keep up the good work thanks for the video and stay safe in the next couple of days
I'd love to see that thing mounted to a longtail mud motor kit. Come on guys please do this!
I appreciate the motor build videos. Helps when looking at building new engines for our race karts
For $1500 I can fully rebuild a 350 chevy V-8 after purchasing it from the salvage yard!
but can it fit in my Honda?
@@tebibyte2357 With ME installing it? YOU BET! (~_^)-b
Hell! I can install a 500 CID Cadillac engine in a Honda!
You might find the SEATING has to be changed a wee bit...but I can make it FIT...
[HOP HOP HOP!]
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You guys rock...been watching yall for a while and love it. Love it enough I bought a go kart myself
I can’t believe that you guys have made a vtec predator engine! It sounded like a Honda at 18:50.
Good job fellas! That tilly sounds meeaaaaan.
But yall be careful this week with the hurricane
Stay, safe and dry. Can we assume the place for Carsandcameras is still in the works? Since the new restrictions REALLY cramp your style. When do you hope to be in the new location?
I can’t wait to do that build on a go kart. I’m trying to build a go kart for ice fishing to pull sleds onto the ice and have fun rippin around the ice when the fishing is slow. I’m trying to decide if I wanna put tracks and skis or just stud some tires. I’m not sure what state you guys are in but it’d be cool to see you guys rip around some frozen lakes.
what is your cameraman's name is it john, i only expect 1% of people to get that reference.
2:44 when the engine starter gets to you
Wow wait a minute you have a z32 you need to give it some love on the channel
Beautiful build, nice work gentlemen. Love that flywheel. 👌🏼 if you get a modified head it also won’t match that head. I had to drill the dowel sleeve up to the Predator 11mm size and every head gasket I drill up as well.
That’s crazy strong
That has to be a big valve head . If so , the intake valve would be 32 mm . With a bigger carb (28mm-30mm ) would help it a lot . Great vid ! I keep rewatching! Lol
Hope ya'll are gonna be safe if this hurricane hits! I'm preparing for it myself, myrtle beach can't exactly hold all that much rain, haha. Love the channel, good luck and stay safe guys.
Why would you spend 1500 dollars on a 20 HP predator, when you can get a 24 HP v-twin for less, and also have a more awesome sound
Because you can. Also because it’s small and light.
Weight
cody kamminga hell, for
@@ROTAXD its pronounced hersper
You should do more with the Briggs and Stratton vanguard v twins I have 2 16hp I'm working on and I don't see people messing with them on TH-cam
DELTACX10 they’d rather base their builds on cheap chinese throw away notors apparently.
@@ROTAXD yes, but I think they need to diversify.
You guys need to do a revival on that shed full of karts you already have.
Man that little motor is a beast that's for sure
This new video style is amazing! Props to camera man and or Editor!
How long would this last in a lawnmower? 😂🤣😂
You should do a dyno test on the engine
I have been to VIR (Virginia international raceway) so many times since I was young with my grandfather, he’s a racing instructor, and we’d drive those go carts there so much, so as I’m stationed in japan I really hope you make a great video at vir and it can remind me of home a little
Think I will build one of those for my pressure washer. Can you imagine it blasting out water like a fire truck? LOL
Nice build.
Would burn out the pump before you could even get to spray it
Awesome! I live 15 min from VIR. Beautiful place and love driving the carts!!
You guys need a mini lathe and a press(arbor or hydro). The cut to fit push rods should be a good enough reason to get them, but then you can use them for so much more.
$1500 for 20 something hp? Not trying to hate but damn that is an absolutely horrible deal. I understand they are into these specific type of engines etc but wow I just don't get how this is a good deal for anyone. So many more options with way more power at a comparable size and weight for way less money.
People who race these karts and mini bikes at high levels spend WAY more than $1,500 on an engine. Some spend $1,500 on just the crank.
@@CarsandCameras been subscribed for probably 2 years now. Love your videos. Again, don't want to hate. Just sayin', holy cow. Lol :)
I actually LOL'd at "since we're so popular out here right now"
The "waffle ring" is called an oil control ring. It holds onto oil and the rings on either side of it spread and scrape the oil off the bore.
You guys know the tips of push rods are heat treated right. I hope they hold up for yall.
Need to run it on a dyno. Gets your settings spot on and no more guessing about the power, 20 is a pretty ambitious claim...... on the dyno my sons Honda GX 160 kadet motor makes 7.4 so you got a killer 200!
Holy shit John. I never knew that about rockers. Good explanation. Thanks
Finally a flatslide carb 😂
That engine sounds ridiculous!!! sweet
What makes it a stage 4+? What defines the stages? Why is it a 4+ and not a 5?
It's called the scraper ring Ike. Fun fact, 351 Clevelands come with 1.72:1 rockers from the factory.
I still can't imagine spending $1500 on a glorified generator motor... for that you can buy a wrecked Polaris or motorcycle and make a LOT more power.
My 1972 VW beetle was 75hp with a Weber carb and 1600cc engine. Amazing you can get so much out of 212cc. It must really drink gas.
I call it the oil wiper
if y'all drill holes in the top of the Piston behind the rings to expand the rings when combustion happens you will eliminate almost all your blow-by
Have you guy's considered special coatings on the bore and bearing surfaces. Something like Nikasil or Diamond layer coatings and ceramic coated pistons. For a single cylinder it should not be too expensive. Also trying to get a head properly milled and CNC ported. Would be awesome to see what that kind of work does on these motors.
best executed video of yours I've seen. amazing well done amazing video
You could also put a bigger jet and on the end of the mikuni where he air filter sits you can add a velocity stack with a 90° hose that faces forward (direction of movement) meaning you would increase airflow while moving which will increase power
You guys should build an engine run stand.
I love seeing these little engines built.
Cool motor and may it totally shred up at VIR.🍀
Do you think you guys could do one on a 14 kohler k series? Because its definitely a solid motor
Yes it is. Have one a 1994 wheel horse
It has the manual trans and a transfer case for another set of ultra low bearing. I've pulled a triumph with flat tires and locked brakes up a muddy hill with it in low range first gear. Best lawn tractor ever made
Combustion Compression don’t add oil pressure but the added rpm will. I believe
I put stage 4 212 on a mini bike and clocked 70mph and got it tooken by the pd in the same day
Finally an other video!
Thanks y’all . Stay out of trouble.
If you made 3 more of those engines and weld them together, you would make 848cc. Maybe you guys can build a go cart with a 1999 Honda Civic body, it would be (When Cars and Camera’s vtec kicks in)
Cool video. Love the Nissan in the background!!
I give y'all 2or 3 times of use and y'all will blow it up
Can't wait to see more of this engine !
2:43 Your Welcome
I'm so early I put my underwear on backwards.
Yeah man I actually live in Florida but I just might miss us but I’ll be praying you guys will be alright😉👍
Was that a fastback mustang i saw? Oh, and you guys should get some samsung evo sd memory cards.
I enjoy your videos and the way you don't take yourselves to seriously. Also, to me venting the head back to the block makes no sense. The holes for pushrods, etc are much bigger anyway. My norm is to vent head to a common bigger hose that runs up as high as practical with a filter or similar to let it breath. that way oil keeps trying to run back into engine. your way are you really venting anything?
From the UK here..exactly what is an LS motor, iv also heard of this LS in car tuning circles aswell....🤔
You guys should make a Thai long tail racing boat. Similar to the ones they use in Thailand.
Apexeon151 really, with a name like Thai Longtail I figured they originated in Poland. Note sarcasm.
Protect yourself! I built a 10,000 rpm SBC and it was scary. I went through three engines because if catastrophic failures! But can you show us the true rpm somehow?
Ya know...with all that chrome I'd have wirebrushed the stock block to make it match. Might be worth doing. A single piston pushing 10k rpm... pretty impressive.
It's called a scraper ring, Issac!
I built a stock rod Honda with 18 pounds of torque on the rod flattop piston tilitson carb cut 100 thousands off the head gapless top ring it held 340 pounds of compression if you didn't have it just past the compression stroke it rip your arm off but it turned 8000 or so and made around 20 horse but had stock flywheel and I ran 110 octane race fuel and went from factory 16 degrees of ignition timing to 40 degrees it was only good for eighth Mile blast or it would get hot but the timing made that thing fly
That was awesome pretty sweet
YES.
just, awesome.
Another great build guys.
Ike you da man brah... drilling on that valve cover... whew...
Compression ratio on the top of the engine doesn't affect the compression ratio on the bottom.
Time to build an engine stand/ test bench!
Can u do a short video on where u installed the brass fittings on the crank case? Or is there already one
Sounds good
Hell yeah
I love engine builds!
Question why don't you use the dewalt drill taps? since they drill and tap the hole all at once