Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl Are Surprisingly Not Fun So Far
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- I'm kind of surprised by how little I'm enjoying Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl so far...
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The title cut off at “surprisingly” and I thought “damn, was not expecting Arlo to like this game”
Honestly tho.
I didn't see the whole title either, but I saw the thumbnail and recognized it and thought "that's not the "happy arlo" face"
That is the reason why I am letting myself getting spoilerd by this review haha
Same
Me too
Just a casual reminder that the Pokemon franchise has an estimated worth of almost 100 billion dollars. There is LITERALLY no excuse for half assed attempts like this one. It is literally the highest grossing singular media franchise and we haven't had ONE next gen Pokemon game that doesn't look like a 3DS port. Let that sink in for just a moment...
Bro even ORAS looks better than BDSP 🤡🤡🤡
I'd disagree on lets go pikachu and eevee, those games genuinely did LOOK good, they just sucked from a gameplay perspective because they did the whole pokemon go thing. They also had returning features and incredible implementation of scaling and ridable/following pokemon. As boring as they were to play, they're the best the mainline series has looked in 3d with consistency.
There are some parts of Gen 8 which actually look really great. Specially the towns.
I really liked the forest with the fairy and ghost Pokemon as well.
But yes, most of the time, even those games looked bad.
I would disagree with the statement that they look terrible ALL throughout but the parts which look plain and bad...really look plain and bad.
Its just a low effort series and makes a lot of money to boot. The devs know the game will sell like 20 Million copies, in their mind why try?
would them trying to pump out a game every 1-2 years affect the quality of a game regardless of how much money they have? specially when theyre in 3d 🤔 i always thought maybe they're pumping these out way too fast .
Going from the 3ds remakes to this is just... insane. Those games had so much more going graphically on a handheld with exponentially less processing and graphical ability. It boggles my mind that they thought these new games were up to par.
Even going from Let's Go. When Arlo brought up the random encounters and how LGPE did it, I look back and even if these were more in the LGPE style of chibi than what we got, and the mixture of overworld and random encounters like in SwSh, it would make a big difference IMO. I haven't got the game yet as I put it on my Christmas wishlist, but now I've caught up enough on TH-cam to see the reactions and what it looks like, I'm starting to wonder that if I do get it, I will be unsure how long I will stay engaged for, and if I don't get it for Christmas, if I will even buy it in the first place and just learn the story through a let's play to at least have familiarity with the story before Legends: Arceus comes out.
This is the most confusing part for me the new games feel lazily made
@@ironcaptianspider Having now played through 95% of the story, I'd say it's not lazy (it's clear that work and care was put into the game), but more rushed for a November deadline.
For some people that prefer the classic gameplay style where the focus is on gameplay, this is a return to form.
Personally, as someone who only got into the game with Gen 7, I've felt disinterested and was just going through the motions. The weird level scaling is my biggest issue. In between gyms, you're always overlevelled, yet as soon as you get to the gym you're at the right level, yet the levels drop as soon as you leave the gym again, so you're one-shotting Pokémon all the time.
@@itskdog "It's clear ethat work and care was put into the game".
Bro. all they did was add 3d graphics on a 2d game. the rest is the same. from dialogue, from characters to even the underground. Besides the graphics, they did add pokemon's walking around as we see them, rather then not seeing them.....but only in the underground.
@@AlejandroRodriguez-cy8ee They painstakingly recreated everything to be exactly as it was, but in the SwSh engine and with brand new graphics that feel both new and familiar, with a few new features like Pokémon following you and updates to the underground, etc. They could have not put in the extra effort to do that and it would have sold exactly as well.
I fully admit that even though I, personally, didn't enjoy the game a whole lot (though reading online, the people that preferred the first 4 generations over the last few seem to feel that this is a return to form for the series), I can still tell how they put in work that, if they really were lazy, they wouldn't have bothered to do.
This is one of the best examples of why one-to-one remakes are not a good idea.
Literally every issue in the original D/P was fixed in Platinum, but they decided to leave in those issues just so it wasn’t Platinum, instead of implementing those fixes while still remaking the games.
Like the f***ing Pokétch scrolling issue was even back! Seriously!?
Well not every problem was fixed. Ice types not being available for a long ass time for example. But they did fix a lot of glaring issues like the elite four (flint bro where your fire types), the game speed, etc
@@tdmc6428 ice types not being available for a long ass time is a staple of pokemon. same for dragon types. such a shame cos I'd love some of those types featured early game, like imagine starting your journey in a snowy town
@@elliotw.888 All I want for christmas is Glaceon as a Starter. Or something I guess.
Pokétch is even buggy is certain languages. They didn't even do that bare minimum of quality testing.
I just commented this, but a complaint for ORAS is that the remakes were too different from the originals. So what do you propose for a middle ground?
Saying a game’s “Not fun” is probably the most scathing remark you can say about a game
Right? “Not good” is one thing, but “not fun”’is a WHOLE other
Reggie: if it's not fun why bother lol
A game being fun or not fun is more subjective than a game just being good or bad.
Hey I mean this game IS fun to me. Compared to a game that he mentioned like let’s go, which was not fun at all in my opinion, this is great. It’s just opinions. Just his opinion
@@subjectnivleis7572 oh the irony
i believe the factor that makes the older pokemon games playable is imagination. Even with technical and artistic limitations, the player can fill in the holes by imagining the scenario in their head. Because they kept this game EXACTLY the same but removed the technical and artistic limitations, the holes are no longer filled by your imagination because the holes are in 4K HD. Gives a feeling of uncanny valley in a weird way
I can totally relate to that feeling!
For me that happens also with the N64 Games on the Switch. The games were supposed to run at 480p on a CRT.
On a flat panel scaled up to 1080p you can much better see the crappy graphics. No room for imagination
Yeah this really makes me wish the models looked like octopath traveler now that would help TREMENDOUSLY!! Something interesting to look at and is yknow... well animated
You are 💯 spot on
To me it’s just the fact that Pokémon had been making Pokémon games for over twenty years and they have not yet found another gameplay idea that has worked like the original style has. There is only so much innovation you can do to the Pokémon formula and I understand why many are burnt out. My first Pokémon game was Pokémon moon. Played it, loved it, I still do but I understand why the game isn’t seen in such a good light. To older fans playing Pokémon the game is basic and doesn’t do anything very new. To a child the game is magical and fun. It’s to be expected and honestly I would not be surprised if game freak knew this and really don’t mind it. I don’t have the numbers but I would not be surprised if children make up the vast majority of modern day Pokémon players and spenders (well, parents but you know). To game freak it means less work with no monetary drawback.
Not only that, but you'd think that swapping from sprites to 3D models would at least allow for more character expression among other advantages, and yet the sprites from Diamond and Pearl are more expressive.
I love Pokemon and because of that I tend to agree with your takes on the games. We shouldn’t have to beg this hard for a quality experience from literally the biggest IP on the planet.
Just play cyber sleuth my guy
@@finnmarr-heenan2397 Shin Megami Tensei 5 is way better.
@Wanna Be a Smurt Person Trying Apparently a recent leak showed that Masuda forced the team at Ilca to scale down their ambitions. Some of the concept arts for BDSP looked eerily similar to what Legends Arceus is doing. So the main theory is that Gamefreak took Ilca ideas and did it themselves and then forced Ilca to make a faithful remake of Diamond and Pearl so that it wouldn't overshadow Legends Arceus. So basically Ilca got shafted hard with this remake.
@@wintersong2266 Cyber Sleuth has much better story/characters but SMT V has better gameplay/exploration, they're pretty much equal tbh
We all just want love and care back in the pokémon games not just a cash grab. We all want back that original soul from the original games of bug hunting that the game spawned from.
That are at least story on par with their spinoff mystery dungeon series.... I pray Arceus brings back that wonder and that if it does Nintendo puts its entire soul into perfecting that formula. But one can only pray now a days.
i remember when oras came out and everyone was like "wow they put so little effort into improving this", and now compared to this, oras looks amazing
oras was so good
Same problem theybdont include emerald features
ORAS was okay, after BDSP, it really does look like a godsend though
oras was great what are you talking about?
And, seeing how succesful it is no matter what, it will probably get worse.
Can't wait until they remove all the battle mechanics and replace it for a cookie clicker clone due to being "too hard" for casuals.
“Why is he playing these games if he doesn’t like it?”
Because the only way to know you don’t like it is by trying it yourself.
Example I love halo but "I dislike halo 1 I'm going to then review Halo 1 remaster wow surprise I still don't like it" See how stupid that is he wouldn't like these versions because they are remasters of the originals so obviously he wouldn't'
Because that's how video game grover makes money. Why is that surprising to people
@@gamewizord well considering his career revolves around it, it makes sense most reviews don't just review things they like and it allows us to see multiple points of view
And also reviewing and talking about nintendo games is his job.
It’ll hurt his channel in the long run if he doesnt cover all the newest games they release.
Just kinda part of being a reviewer, you dont just talk about the things you like
@@mikemcmullen5006 Yeah your right also since this is one of the only controversial opinions people have kind of picked up on I think Grover smelled the money in the drama and was like a shark smelling the blood.
It will never not make me frustrated that Pokémon games progress at a snail's pace. Just thinking back to playing pretend as a kid and thinking about "oh imagine what Pokémon games will be like in a few years." Well, here we are.
*"Snail's Pace"*
Even that feels too generous.
Perhaps the word “pace” is even too much
Pokemon games progress?
We got very close to that dream around the time of Pokemon Colosseum, and Game Freak has spent almost two decades regressing further away from that dream ever since.
@@BaronSterling I have been replaying past games, and I specifically played through Pokémon Colosseum recently and it is… incredibly sluggish to progress through, in my opinion. The fastest and snappiest game thus far I’ve played is Pokémon Black. I started it today, and everything feels so crisp. I was easily able to get the first two Gym Badges in one play-through!
Please, Arlo, even if it puts you through misery and people give you crap, I need you to keep talking about Pokemon. It's so hard for me to trust people's opinions on these games, they seem to have a huge blindspot for how much worse the series has become. If everyone critical of these games stopped talking about them, it'd be nothing but an echo chamber and we'd never get a good Pokemon game again.
Facts
In my experience, the best way to enjoy the new games is to not compare them to the old games. They're different, and thats okay. But I won't flame you because you have an opinion.
@@skillshare385 But this game is like, an exact replica of Diamond and Pearl (but worse). Thats literally what its meant to be. Why would we not compare them?
@@Alexa-bp8rm I wouldn't say it's worse, just barely better.
@@Alexa-bp8rm Diamond and pearl are utter garbage and a stain on gen 4. Bdsp fixes pacing and the slow engine it was originally on
I know some people are going to argue and say “it’s not a Platinum remake” but the least they could’ve done was update the it to the Platinum’s overworld designs and gym layouts. They didn’t need to be THAT faithful to JUST Diamond and Pearl. They could’ve even used a mix of DP and Platinum environmental visuals and it would’ve been fine. It might’ve even made BDSP the definitive Sinnoh experience, because Platinum was the definitive Sinnoh experience. The games are good, but they *DEFINITELY* could’ve been better.
Yea, this is a new studio that worked on these titles so I think they were playing it safe a bit too much.
I hope with this experience and a bit more time the studio will improve and make some great games.
why didn’t they just remake platinum in the first place lmao
You get to battle a LV 100 Shadow Giratina in the new park area to get its orb item. Also the elite 4 as well as gym leaders have way stronger teams at six Pokémon each.
These remakes were ONLY faithful to Diamond & Pearl. But 1 thing for sure, there are NOT faithful to the Pokemon franchise as a whole.
@@hurri. if I recall its something something you can sell twice the copies something something trading Pokemon.
Remember how ORAS gave us a bunch of things like DexNav, new Mega Evolutions / other forms, Soaring + the Mirage Islands, access to a ton more Pokemon than the original RSE, including the entire National Dex if you want to bring them over, some other small buffs to existing Pokemon, more details about the lore, more story bits, etc.? Meanwhile these games can't even be bothered to fix the Honey Trees
This game was so lazy that Gamefreak didn’t even bother making it, they just gave it to ILCA, a support studio that’s never actually made a game on their own before.
@@alenor210 To be fair, Game Freak is already working on Legends.
@@BradfortBottlenose Which I am ever more cautiously optimistic about. If "Nintendo Gotta Nintendo" is Nintendo having a handful of things that just makes the game less enjoyable for no reason, "Game Freak gotta Game Freak" would be them not giving a shit about their games because they know people will buy it anyway, even if it's cheap and flat out bad.
@@PoisonFlower765 A fair point.
And we still thought that was underwhelming compared to HeartGold and SoulSilver, how naive we were
The thing that sucks so much is this is a remake of dimond and pearl...not platinum. Theirs so much missing that platinum fixed and made better. I'm telling you right now if you want to experience the actual best version of the 4th gen Pokemon then pick up platinum (even tho it's overpriced on eBay) it's worth it.
Yeah that's what's truly sad, these are remakes to a fault so what was the point?
I just emulate Platinum. Because honestly the availability of that game is way too lacking.
@@BradfortBottlenose yea I'd say emulating is the best way to go.
Depends. I really didn't like that one. I felt it added stuff the game really didn't need, but each to their own.
Or just try out Renegade Platinum. Feels more like an actual Gen 4 remake than these games
I'm loving the game! The map is so expansive and the art direction is stellar! Is easier than what I expected but the difficulty is just right for new comers. I'm having so much fun! Shin Megami Tensei V, what an amazing monster collecting game.
You had us in the first half not gonna lie
LMFAO!😂
Lmao
This game was borderline unplayable coming after SMTV
We were all newcomers once, i dont see why kids should get it easier these days
I would like to say that, as a person who never played the original Diamond/Pearl, I am really enjoying this game, but I can see why more veteran fans would dislike this game since it’s much of the same thing.
That’s the exact reason I love it. It’s the same thing with newer graphics
I've never played the originals & I have no reason to play the remakes either. Nothing's worth leaving my sweet Goodra girl behind.
yeah I'm also loving this game so much rn
I'm a veteran player and I'm happy with what I got, it's a faithful remake, with small qol features and the grand underground new polishing and features, I couldn't really ask for more tbh, plus I get to play with my gf and she's never played it so it's a fun experience together
As a long time pokemon fan I would say that I am really liking it so far.
I do notice some graphic jank like the lack of battle transitions and some walking issues. I don't think it's big and this is a new studio making it with likely time constraints.
I honestly like the chibi art style, though I see what arlo says about it being a bit cheap looking.
It’s weird. For every step forward this remake takes, it takes a step back
For example: HMs are replaced with a Pokétch app, but TMs are back to being one time use items
I was pissed when I realised I'd need a heart scale again anytime I wanted to use the move relearner
WHAT? WHY?! That was one of the BEST changes they've made!
@@whatswiththisnewhandlesthing I feel that, I also haven't found any heart scales underground yet but maybe I haven't looked long enough
@UCrHaD6Iq9pbLNqXfxDmflnQ It's for the sake of "faithfulness".
TMs being reusable was one of the best changes they made. Why anyone would want that particular bit of faithfulness to remain in the game is beyond me. Even ORAS has reusable TMs...
I don’t understand why you’re not allowed to be disappointed by a modern Pokémon game… go for it Arlo, BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART
The disappointment has not stopped since the release of sun and moon for me.
RIP Gamefreak
RIP Pokemon
Nolstgia ppl, it's a modern genwunner situation all over again 🙄
@@herbievalerius5740 it was from XY for me
People are super sensitive, it's like you either like smt or shut the fuck up.
But how anyone can improve, if you not point out smt downside of said product like BD/SP? How could GameFreak make better Pokémon games, if there's no 'harsh' feedback???
@@LordTchernobog Game Freak didn’t even make these games.
Don’t act like you’re giving constructive criticism if you don’t even care enough to know who made the games lmao
The funny thing is, when I saw that they skimped on the art style, I was actually excited. Not because I like terrible art directions, but because I thought, "Now they can finally put all of the budget into keeping the old Platinum stuff _and_ adding new content!!"
Turns out, they didn't even meet my bare expectations of adding Platinum content. I didn't even know my standards were above theirs, it just seemed completely natural. For remakes of my first games in the franchise, these are just wholely unexciting, and very disappointing.
Your first mistake was assuming that the game had any budget or time.
There's some Platinum content, and surprisingly faithful. Just have to play the game.
@@peruserprecurer1446 word, it was a problem from the getgo. The other remakes were done for a reason beyond nostalgia, they were meant to clear glaring issues and create a new experience and you could see that. This was just because we kept asking for it and as such they palmed it off to another studio rather than putting their full personal effort into making it great. The moment I realise there wasn’t gonna be megas or any of the new battle mechanics, I gave up on this. I really wanted to see some sinnoh megas
R.I.P. Platinum
Remake could have:-
Added SwordShield encounter mechanism.
Include Platinum's pokemon encounter.
Only this much would have made this game WAYYYY more better.
And pokemon reds music
Nothing beats fire red
This is for Pokèmon games in general, they shouldn’t be $60, they don’t feel like $60 games. I think they should be $40, especially since they’re starting to push the double purchasing. Looking at other $60 Switch games this doesn’t match up.
For me they don't even feel like $40 games, I would pay a max of 10 dollars for this type of game like I did with Temtem, and even that Temtem ended up bad at least it was something new
Especially SMTV
@@caktalfraktal it still costs the same. Canadian currency is worth less than USD
This isn't even a Pokémon problem, this is a Nintendo problem
You can say this about a lot of switch games. Look, I loved metroid dread, but $60? Botw I put 115 hours into, pokemon Sword I put 30, metroid dread I put 15. It just doesn’t make sense
The biggest problem with the remakes being a faithful recreation of Diamond and Pearl is that Platinum is an infinitely better version of those games down very fundamental game design aspects, so by default, Platinum is still the definitive Sinnoh game.
"Platinum is still the definitive Sinnoh game"
Renegade Platinum in fact, Fairy type, no defog nonsense, infinite TMs, and a lot of good Q&L (like making Luxray actually good) changes.
I completely agree. At least previous generations' remakes bothered to add at least some of the improvements their third games made: ORAS had the Delta Episode among other things. In these remakes, there's nothing from Platinum. No overhaul to the art style, no improved gyms or gym leader/elite four rosters, no Distortion World, nothing.
@@saricubra2867 ew romhacks
@@shatteredsentient5321 ew Brillant Diamond & Shining Pearl and paid fanboys by The Pokémon Company.
The fact people compare this to platinum is hilarious. We are comparing a remake to one that was done over 10 years ago and it’s worse XD
Ive been done with Game Freak since SWSH. They're in the priveleged position of never having to actually step up their games because people will always buy the new pokemon game regardless of quality.
It really is sad to see what's become of them.
Masuda is to blame. He started taking the series in this lazy direction already and after Iwata died and there was no more material he gave posthumously, he went full lazy.
@@someoneintheshadow45 If you ask me. It all started when they made the Let's Go games.
"If you don't like it, don't critique it" is a stupid argument anyway. I can't understand people who become so emotionally invested in a game that they feel compelled to shut up people who don't share their opinion of it.
Anyone who says something like that is really intellectually deprived.
It's a really fucking dumb thing to say
I get your point but if you know you don’t like something why would you partake in said thing?
@@renanphillips1479 There are an infinite number of reasons to examine and critique something that is a piece of crap, such as identifying what specifically makes it a piece of crap so that others know how to avoid committing those same mistakes in the future. In Arlo's case, he's helping people save money by showing this game isn't worth the price tag.
@@PaulvonOberstein okay but what if the object in question isn’t universally disliked? For example I can’t stand popcorn, and if everyone knows I don’t like popcorn, why would I eat different types of popcorn and tell everyone how much I hate it? Do I secretly like popcorn or do I just like torturing myself? I’m not arguing about arlos opinions of the game I personally think they’re very meh remakes and actually agree with arlo I’m arguing about the commenting about not liking a product, and yet consuming it regardless. It just seems so redundant.
Please don’t stop making Pokémon content, even if it’s negative. The franchise has so much potential and if critique dies out, it’ll never reach it
The worst thing about this franchise, honestly, is the Pokémon fans that jump down your throat anytime you make any sort of criticism. I criticize because I love the franchise and I want it to be good. Aimlessly defending the garbage GF has been putting out isn't helping at all.
@@LeleJackMusic from what I've seen they're the opposite
In my opinion pokemon was in its absolute prime in the gba and ds era. For me it started to go a little bad in quality when X and Y came out, but even then they still introduced something new that people loved for years, mega evolutions. ORAS came out and it ended up being pretty good. It took a few things away that people liked from the originals, but unlike BDSP they actually tried new things with that game such as giving pokemon mega evoultions, and groudon and kyogre having cool primal forms, adding a new fan favorite character, and the delta episode was a really nice touch. And then sun and moon came out and that was the most fun ive had with a pokemon game in a while, completely new mechanics never seen before in any pokemon game prior and the z moves were just beautiful. And then sword and shield happened and everyting went to shit.
@@joe6772 I know this may be sacrilegious, but I think Pokemon has huge potential if they completely revamp the gameplay. Perhaps as a side entry and not a core one. I dunno. It’s just gotten so stale I feel.
I dont think gamefreak even made the game
I was actually really looking forward to playing this when I first heard about it and when they showed off the chibi style I genuinely wanted to cry. Let's be real pokemon games deserve much better than what they did to the D&P remakes.
I know, I was waiting for these remakes for years, I thought the Johto and Hoenn remakes were tons of fun, and added so many cool things, but then when I saw this, I knew they made me not want the games I've been waiting for. They had a for sure costumer, but this art direction looks cheap and I feel like they should've borrowed more elements from Platinum.
"Pokemon games. They're big. They take a while to beat"
SmallAnt video in suggested videos down the side: "How I completed Diamond and Pearl Pokedex in 24 hours"
What Pokémon game took time to beat ever? We made nuzlock rules for a reason.
Believe me, taking my Onix out for a stroll with me was the most immersion breaking experience I have ever seen in any game.
Oh geez....
And that was after you were able to ride the damn thing in LGPE.
Just wait till you take rayquaza out for a walk. Omg i almost laughed myself into an early grave. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING LMAOOO
glad you just spent 60 dollars to see an onyx follow a tiny person with basically gen 6 (very) slightly more polished graphics
@@santiagogalf I'd argue gen 6 honestly looks better. That game also has mega evolutions
The thing that has hurt the most here that really kills it is the bugbear that weakened ORAS: This should have been a platinum remake. Platinum was pretty much a remake in it's own right and did WAAAAAYYY more
Or it should at least have heavy influence from what Platinum brought to the table. But no, it’s _so_ faithful to the original DP that we don’t even get a back button on the Pokétch.
Yeah, HGSS kept the Crystal content but for some reason they haven't been doing that with the newer remakes and I can't fathom it
Or gamefreak could stop being leeches and ditch the whole version exclusive stuff. It should've been gone at least in gen 6.
@@yerman0564 Absolutely, the concept of a barely different 3rd version of each Pokémon game that released a year later for full price is the most heinous thing that Pokémon fans learned to accept over the years. But this isn't even that, this is excluding the already existing content from those 3rd versions in the remakes
But then you can't make two versions of the same game!
Money money money money money money money money money money
Despite me liking the chibi style, I can agree with a lot of your points. Wild battles and tranier battles start to become a huge slog in no time flat. The system is way too repetitive. I only beat the game to beat the game and get the legendaries. (Not to mention the Jirachi and mew you get about 30 minutes into the game. Which were a surprise, but just made the game easier)
Jirachi and mew have weaker stats than non legendary mons
@@Emerald_Solace they are still strong af for that portion of the game. I dont even have the game yet but they should have been victory road gifts or something tbh
On the bright side, I now know the trauma Cynthia can cause.
@@Emerald_Solace I mean no not really unless your talking about flat 100s, they are so much better than 90% of the dex.
@@taasch2505 nobody force u all to use them.
You should play SMT V. It's a step up from previous entries in the series and has a very pokemon like vibe with the demon collecting and fusion. Though it is definitely tougher than Pokemon, but easier in comparison to older entries of SMT.
Ehh whenever someone tries to recommend a pokemon fan an SMT game I feel like they're missing the appeal of pokemon. Pokemon exists in a vacuum, when a Pokemon game is being reviewed it's not compared to other RPGs, hell its not even compared to other monster collecting RPGs, Pokemon games are just compared to other Pokemon games, and Im willing to bet that's because a good majority of Pokemon fans just love Pokemon... because it's Pokemon. It's a part of their childhood and is a media giant, that's why it's so popular, and no matter how much better executed the gameplay of SMT is it likely will not convince a good majority of Pokemon fans to try it.
Also SMT V kinda has a shitty story no cap
Maybe I’m in the fault for this, but the entire time I’ve been playing the back of my mind is just thinking, “This could’ve been Platinum”, but I’m going to beat the game in its entirety before my final decision
Yeah.. I kinda wish they remade the advanced copies of each generation too, but then they couldn't sell each person 2 copies
@@slaytonrevelation7693 There isn't really a reason why they can't take the features of the advanced copies of generations without making 2 versions. You can still just prevent people from getting Pokemon not in said version.
Same thought
I feel these remakes will be a stark reminder to people that the OG Diamond and Pearl really weren't great, and that most of the fond memories of gen 4 came frim Platinum and the gen 2 remakes. It would have been awesome to get an amped up Platinum remake, instead we got homogenized remakes of the most homogenized games in the series.
Same here. gonna get through it once and decide if ill ever come back to it or rather play platinum on my NEW 2DS XL if I want to revisit sinnoh
My big two complaints for how it feels are:
-Even though the terrain is updated in 3D the terrain’s hitboxes are still on the grid and don’t match the visuals
-the Pokémon following you have terrible AI
I'll never understand how they got following mechanics perfect in LGPE and then just forgot how to do them on the two games that _share the same console._
@@LostAeon Still no excuse, there's absolutely no way anyone looked at the atrocious AI and said, yeah thats fine. All they literally have to do is put the pokemon one tile behind the trainer and everything is fixed.
@@GottaLoveDepecheMode or of they were struggling with it they could have either not included it at all or added it later, clearly they don't mind delaying content since the GWS isn't available yet.
@@nunyabusiness4904 How can they struggle with it? All it takes is putting the AI one tile from the trainer, and Let's Go is the closest they've done to achieving this right. You can't logically say that a game that's 3 years old got it right and they didn't at the very least look back and said we need to fix this. Hell, Masuda was involved with both LGPE and BDSP and that's what makes this worse. How can you get something right in one game but screw it up in a new one? Clearly they just don't give a flying fuck lol.
@@GottaLoveDepecheMode yeah my Torterra pretty much is never actually behind me because of the fact it’s so slow and gets caught on literally everything. Basically no point in really having anything follow you if it’s slow moving.
So few "Nintendo TH-camrs" chooses to say the truth and their actually real opinions without trying to sugarcoat a game just because It is a First party from Nintendo...
That's why you are one of the only ones that I still follow and watch the videos. Respect for you my friend.
Exactly
I always check somebodies sub count on a main line video game review that i dont watch because it’s usually somebody trynna fill 10 empty milk jugs with 1 cow while they’re on the verge of starving.
This feels like a weird one to me. Diamond was the first Pokémon game I actually played through and beat, so nostalgia is a huge factor for me. It’s faithful, but perhaps to faith full. Ends up with design choices that are really bizarre (TMs breaking, grid pathing, shiny charm only working on breeding, etc.). But I will say I’m still enjoying my time with it so far, plus there aren’t really many games that interest me right now (CoD Vangaurd is forgettable, Battlefield 2042 is a broken mess, waiting until Christmas for Mario Party, and Legends isn’t til the end of January).
Mario party was definitely worth the $60 for me
Play shin megami tensei 5. That game actually looks good and it's a better pokemon game than this.
I’ve been going back and forth with this game and Metroid dread you might like it
I audibly whispered “What?” about the shiny charm part. H u h. Ye I’m not buying this, at least not for $60. I already have a legit Platinum cartridge (checked for several pirated signs and found none of them) and even though I started in Gen 6 with universal EXP Share and infinite TMs and have played Platinum for like 2 hours total between 2 save files, I can already tell it’ll be very fun
@@Ebi_fuwafuwa I know that. But I’m still enjoying it.
It's not so much that the chibi style was a bad idea, it's really their execution of it that looks kind of lackluster. I think if another artist took up the job it could look great.
Nah, it's not the artist's problem. I'm sure the guy was good at his job, but they did this to save money.
Probs not the artist. They could’ve drawn more reactions as the overall art is fine. But again. Pokémon always used a semi old design. So a chibi art would always look odd
I've not seen a whole lot of them myself, but I could guess that they might look stiff with the sudden movement that just halts immediately, there's no weight to a lot of stuff and the character does an immediate 180 degree turn here and there
Not a guarantee to be the reason, but when you try to be more realistic and there's unrealistic things, they clash and it looks uncomfy
I believe there's a certain lack of artistic direction in the first place. I don't want to say they're using "default" shaders, but the lighting definetly looks amateurish.
Compare it to other "chibi" games like Link's Awakening (the whole "diorama" look makes the visuals feel cohesive and justified), Little Town Hero (which has visible line-art to make the characters pop out), or even FF XV Pocket Edition (which uses similar shading but the character design is very stylized).
If Chibi was the issue then I don't see how anyone has been enjoying Pokemon for the last 30 years. That's the style they've had for the longest time, and the graphics design in these remasters was a throwback to the original style.
Imagine what this game could've been like if they had gone the HGSS route and just packed this game to the brim with cutting edge features and pushed the envelope as far as they could while retaining the identity of the original. Imagine what this game could've been like if they released it as Pure Platinum instead of arbitrarily splitting it into two separate $60 purchases. Imagine what this game could've been like if they had just kept the graphics pixel based and gone all out on making them look gorgeous like Square does with their recent 2D games.
Imagine what this game could've been like if they cared.
I would have also loved it if they took the SWSH models and just went *mental* making them look incredible, making the environments look incredible, making it look like how we imagined pokemon on a home console looking as a kid
As far as I'm concerned, they've done a wonderful job of bringing D/P into the modern era! It's just that the modern era Pokemon is kinda bad.
Imagine. Actually good contests, a Full Sinnoh dex with every Sinnoh pokemon Finally obtainable within the same game, additional filling mons in the dex (for Fire and other types). Battle Frontier, events in game (Shaymin, Darkrai, etc), Distortion World, reusable TMs, no HM mules needed, pokemon follow you, customization, Underground, etc etc.
Just. There's so much that could be a thing. But... well.... I'll just make myself sad thinking about it
@@emmareiman64 at least half of the things you listed are in this remake 💀
I disagree. This is the best graphics I have seen in a pokemon game, I just don't like the chibi art style. We have has some form of realistic proportions sence sun and moon I don't like going with this toy look.
Also you can tell the people cared when making it. Just one example I noticed, Roark's head lamp is on at night and off during the day.
Am I the only one who think that gen 5 sprites were the best graphics wise for Pokémon
No your not the only one I agree
Im glad we have reviews that aren’t biased beyond belief. I appreciate that you point out the goods and bads of the game.
P.S. Congrats on the feebas
I absolutely agree with Arlo's thoughts at the beginning. I *want* to like Pokemon, it's a really interesting premise with tons of potential, but I just can't seem to trust the series to put any effort into the games at this point.
Damn straight. I totally want to like Pokemon. I LOVE the creativity of the designs, the practice of raising them and metamorphosing them, seeing the different biomes they live in.
This is why I absolutely loved New Pokemon Snap. I got to see shitloads of Pokemon living in their world, and enjoying that content.
Of course you do.
@@xmarksthespot1372 Ay?
@@Novarcharesk There's so much potential in the lore and the stories they could tell, like in New pokemon snap, just seeing the pokemon themselves was compelling, but i guess from this point on is just remakes and microtransactions...
Something i always wanted to see with a villian team was a continuation of the 2nd gen story, like forcing pokemon to evolve? or make them de evolve maybe? but no, i guess making two mascot legendaries to sell two copies of the game matters more than storytelling
I love pokemon designs but im so sick of the standard formula. Hyped for Legends but if it sucks im probably done
the cutscene with cyrus really is the nail in the graphics coffin. any scene with him lacks so much emotion or sense of importance and all they did was just zoom in the camera into emotionless models that just stand there and blink. they treated this 2021 game like they were making a DS game again.
Gen 4 is my favourite generation and I've replayed platinum at least 10 times.
To see Cyrus in chibi form as though they're trying to market him as a plush toy to children is hilarious and sad to me.
I'm imagining when Team Galactic blow up one of the lakes that instead of the earth rumbling we'd hear squeaky toy sounds instead.
I mean, if one character is supposed to be emotionless, it would be Cyrus. But still the scenes should have emotion.
That was the scene that made me cancel my pre-order from the leaks. The entire climax is so bad, they even somehow stripped the emotion from the lake trio's appearance. They just float on a simple line, no animation, it's so bad. And no battle background for the final fight? Apparently some galactic fights have the battle background of their environment early in the game but fuck making unique backgrounds. At least let's go gave us unique fight settings like SS Anne, silph Co, celadon game corner, etc.
@@wellalrightthen3920 even the pixie Pokémon have no emotion, they barely even move. And yanno, one of them is "the being of emotion"... It's real depressing
Cyrus's chibi model looks laughably bad.
We can see now that real human form arlo has blonde hair ✨ hair reveal ✨
I'll be honest, my only gripe with this game is that for how great the Grand Underground is, they removed my favorite part I rarely got to enjoy from the originals in capture-the-flag.
I wanted to build my base such that it would be tricky to reach the back. That way If someone was gonna steal my shit, i could catch 'em real quick like.
Especially with the whole group feature that they had, 4 v 4 Capture the flag could've been a blast.
@@starmangalaxy2001 I agree. Hopefully, we'll get an update with event releases that adds ctf.
Yeah honestly I missed being able to create my base and set up traps so anyone who tried to get your flag would have to do something to get out of the trap. There are features in the remakes are nice, but it feels like they removed in equal amount of good old features negating the positivity. As much as people complain about them I used to love competing in pokemon contests and now I can't even do that because it's no longer a competition of skill and patience but rather who can tap the most buttons in a timer sequence. Poffin making sucks in this game as well, they were nowhere near this hard to make in the originals
I think the pixel art still holds up because it is more abstract allowing for your mind to fill in the blanks. There is also a lower expectation for graphical fidelity with a simpler visual style (uncanny valley).
also because pixel art is just pretty
and shitty unity asset is visibly cheap
I got some platinum card of ali express and I am gonna play that till my ds fizzles out i think, because clearly nintendo doesnt care enough for me to get their new ones
Just this, the pixel art back then looked so much more polished in all honestly
I always tend to prefer sprites in games; they have a certain charm to them that's difficult for 3D models to match, and I honestly think a lot of these remakes would look better if they were given some HD spritework and more detailed animations than a very minimalistic, tile-for-tile conversion to 3D.
Agreed, Nintendo’s recent quest towards hyper-realism with intrinsically unrealistic media leaves everything feeling unambiguous and awkward. Even the sleek, minimalistic menus lend to this sterile lifelessness.
Pokemon should never have gone 3D... GameFreak were amazing when it came to pixel art and it's clear that they're far less competent with 3D. Though sadly the reason they went with 3D probably has more to do with Nintendo wanting a 3D game cause the 3DS was struggling in sales at the time
I like that you talk about pokemon and aren't afraid to be honest about it. Refreshing to see someone feeling the same as me, opposed to all the love that I really can't understand.
YES! Seriously! Even though of course I'm hoping these games are good, I really feel as though the recent iterations have gotten way too much praise from the bigger TH-camrs. Like they can't say ONE single bad thing about them. Cmon
Hey, if a guy wants to enjoy this game without thinking about the dumb shit, then let em
Personally i find the game enjoyable but it isnt perfect. Bit bugged here and there and i can see why people arent fans lol
Last time I checked everyone in the world hates Pokemon now. I haven't seen one positive thing said about the series since 2017 or so. Like the AVGN community, 99.9% of the fanbase are haters who don't even play the games or buy them anyways even though they go in knowing they'll hate them to complain about pointless idiotic things. Who cares that the EXP share is forced? If the game is balanced around that mechanic it's not a problem, aka trainers being equal in power to you and not being Youngerster Timmy who only uses only ratata and pigey every battle. Most prevalent in Gen 2, where you can power level your starter and curb stomp the endless trainers with weak Pokemon and ever more so wild Pokemon that never go above Lv.25 until literally the final dungeon where they're now Lv.35. (in more recent Pokemon games you can be Lv.35 by the 5th or 6th gym, btw) I'm like the only person in the world that still likes Pokemon anymore. This community has become far to toxic. It's impossible to enjoy anything anymore when 99% hate the games I enjoy.
@@jadedjimmy Exactly!
I think you should always voice your opinion good or bad! I feel like a lot of people are biting their tongue when it comes to criticism of this game so this is certainly a nice perspective to have.
That's how the Pokemon fanbase is like, If you say anything bad about their game they will say you are a Toxic and Entitled Asshole for expecting to have Fun with a game you were willing to Pay 60 or more Dollars for, While flaunting the game's sales as if to say that automatically means you are wrong
@@zatoru01 i take it u dont like pokemon cause the fane base always complains about every game tbh
@@playmaker349 No I am not, I tried Giving the series a chance to understand why everyone is Zealot levels of crazy about it, and all I found was a cesspool of mediocrity and bad design
And honestly I cant blame the fans, if my Favorite franchise was treated like this in freaking 2021 I would be very pissed off too
@@zatoru01 i feel like to actually like pokemon u kinda of had to play it and at a young age cause there are alot of better rpgs out there tbh
Good vid, i always love hearing u talk about pokemon!! also i usually choose grass starters too
Watch out, Arlo. You’re criticizing Pokémon on the internet. You’re not allowed to do that.
Your not allowed to praise it either. The whole fandom goes up in smoke when a game releases nowadays.
@@heavydonkeykong5190 for a good reason, but either extremes are pretty dumb. Got to remember emotions bring out the true sides of people, typically their stupid sides
Yes he is
I think its the opposite... you literally can't say anything with good without a 100 people throwing criticism at you
Just remember to be happy you aren’t a Pokémon TH-camr
The problem for me isn’t that it’s chibi, it’s how blatantly cheap and bland it looks compared to something from a comparatively far less profitable franchise in Zelda, but of course nowadays Pokémon games are basically licensed games to sell the merchandise…
Weird thing is that I was thinking about the Link’s Awakening remake when I was playing and was thinking just how much more Polish went into that game, which is considerably shorter.
I’m honestly enjoying this game and I feel there was a little more care put into it than Sw/Sh, probably due to the feedback from that game, but I am still left with the feeling like there still should’ve been more to it…
Huh I just finished links awakening and i feel like both these games look extremely similar. I dont see where youre seeing more polish on one vs the other, they look basically identical to me.
But then you realize the breath of the wild took 8 years and this game took 3 years. Many people praise black and white and that game took 5 years. Legends of arceus has been in development for about 5 years so I have high expectations for it.
@@chisome1777 why are you talking about breath of the wild? They're talking about Link's Awakening, BOTW doesn't even have a chibi style
My biggest issue is that they decided to fully remake DP, instead of improving on them as well. Sure it's got all the perfections of DP, but it also has all the issues. Not sure why they left out Platinum Content, since that fixes almost all the issues.
I agree, I love how the game looks and sounds, but I was hoping for them to include ALL gen 4 pokemon like Glaceon, Gallade amd all other new evolutions Gen4 added. But no, they are post game only, and that saddens me cause I really wanted to use Glaceon for my team ;-;
@@KuraiKodoku16 & to make things worse, they didn't even bother updating the region by including Pokemon from Gens 5-8. A very poor decision if you ask me. I have tons of Pokemon from those gens that I refuse to leave behind!
@@BoygeyMario Same aah, would have been nice to add something new. I know it will never happen but I was hoping for gen4 Mega evolutions like they did for the ORAS remake. Mega Luxray would be so cool ♡♡
@@KuraiKodoku16 So many Pokemon out there that needed Megas, & so much potential that these games left out.
The chibi models sound so cute in theory, but they somehow feel off. I think it's because their feet are really big (which was probably done to justify making the feet really big on the merchandised figures so they'll be able to stand upright).
It blows my mind they tout these games as faithful remakes and justify that for barely adding any additional content (unlike the other remakes) yet they include new features like the party wide exp share with NO OPTION to turn it off. Takes a lot away from the original games challenge, and would it really have been that hard to add a toggle button in the options menu? You could even have it on by default. I understand they want to cater to a new audience who hasn't played these games before, but it just alienates fans of the original games.
“Barely any additional content “??? Dude the entire grand underground, Ramanas Park. Gym leader rematches having competitive teams.
For sure, but I don't consider that substantial content when compared to the gen 3 remakes, which had an additional story arc and new characters, completely redesigned and reworked areas, brand new mega evolutions and primal forms, and a National Dex that had every Pokemon up to that point. Keep in mind this was $20 less at launch on 3ds. Also had the party wide exp share with the ability to turn off and TMs you could use indefinitely.
also, not including content from platinum. why. literally noone would complain that more content was added, people complain about things being *removed* from the previously definitive experience
also, yeah, its a “faithful recreation”, but come on, you gave us the delta episode in oras you could at least try to add new interesting stuff, although i will give credit to the grand underground
@@MeboDotExe just wait, they will add a lot of that platinum stuff, as dlc.
I hate it and i hate that I'll probably buy it. I'm part of the problem but I'm too nostalgic to not get it.
@@nugget3687
"i hate it and I hate that i'll probably buy it"
This is basically a catchphrase for pokemon fans at this point
The problem isn't so much the Chibi art style, it's how it is used in the game.
The Chibi art style is supposed to be a heavily stylized rendering of a character or thing to make it more readable from a long distance off, that is the impression it is supposed to convey, that you're more stylizing and caracturing the art for long-distance viewing (like from a bird's eye view).
But then Game Freak combines it with super-duper close-ups, which were not in the original game and feel unnatural when used thusly.
Most of the graphics look perfectly fine. The problem I noticed was nighttime. Looks like just a simple filter was placed on the world and no additional shadows or contrast darkening was added.
Yes. Yes. Yes. (I also don’t play Pokémon but some day I might try it.)
reminder this game wasn't made by game freak, and from what I've seen of the game I don't even think it's made by devs that knew what they were doing? like most of the QOL updates DP got in Platinum are just gone, with the boring/uninspiring gym designs and such
I think they gave this game to the one dev team who either did not care for this gen or the game in general
They could've made story cutscenes with the normal models like, you know... ORAS did. The last remakes. On the 3DS.
they went for chibi to be like the sprites. also not made by gf
I’ve always felt the “graphics” argument is really just “art style” argument. Pokémon doesn’t need to be ultra graphics, but the art style needs to be appealing and should look like everything goes together naturally. The weird close ups of Chibi characters then cutting to full size artwork in the battles is bizarre, and smells of an in experienced art direction for this game, or someone who didn’t care.
The thing that Gamefreak doesn't get is that people don't want a game to be the same as they remember. They want it to be as GOOD as they remember. They don't want to play Pearl again, they want to feel that excitement that they felt when they played for the first time.
No one cares that the dialogue is the same or that Pokemon are in the same poses or that there are chibis. People just want the game to be exciting, fun, and as wonderful as they remember. NOT the exact same.
Excellently said
I'm squarely in camp "enjoys playing the game even with it's notable flaws." It's not perfect, but it hits the right places for me.
"Why are you playing a thing if you don't like it!?"
Well, he's a game reviewer. Playing games to review them, even if he doesn't like it, is his job. He is a gaming channel, so he's going to be putting out gamer content.
Duh.
I know he said this in the video but ugh I'm sick of people who actually ask things like this.
If he decided to not get it because he thought he wouldn't like it, the question would be, "How do you know you won't like it if you haven't played it?"
@@therobotchickenMLP YES. EXACTLY. YOU CANT WIN WITH FANBOYS.
@@OmegaChase1002 The problem with Arlo is he seems to complain about fundamental features of series as if they need to change them to appease him. I couldn't count the amount of times he's said Pokémon should become an Action RPG series, as if that's an evolution of Turn Based combat and not just a different type of game. The same for the way he reacted to the new Kirby and complained about Star Allies, it's not Kirby's fault he doesn't like Kirby being 2D.
@@SoftEndy i mean i can understand how turn based combat can be outdated for some. Some games that used to have turn based combat, like final fantasy, realized this and evolved to have real time combat. Idk, i think what arlo means is there should be more to pokemon battle outcomes than just stats or moves. Arlo doesnt dislike turn-based battles, have you seen how much he loves paper mario 1 and 2?
I dont mind saying it to randos on reddit or wherever cuz they have nothing to lose from just playing something else, but if someone really enjoys this they should go play the game instead of telling arlo how to do his job
I'm a poketuber, still haven't started it, and honestly not really sure I will...
And this is coming from the guy who made a whole video about the pokemon in Gen 4, so if you haven't started it...
Well, well, well. If it isn’t my favorite Poketuber, here on my favorite Nintendo reviewer’s channel.
It's a really meh game. There are so many bugs and the fact that there are only the first 493 Pokemon is just disappointing.
Haven't bought it yet because of the taste ORAS left for me. Tho I'd give ILCA props for making the first Pokémon game to actually expect you to use held items
@@clbl8706 only up to gen 4 isn't a huge deal for me (mostly because Dexit+remakes being faithful regarding to the dex), but no Sylveon is a facepalm. Like, add the full evolution lines at least...
I will say from replaying my childhood, the animations to the trainers at the end of battles is adorable.
Yea exactly . I bought this game for nostalgia and just that oh yea feeling lmao. I like the game but I forgot like 99 percent of diamond and and pearl so it’s like a brand new story to me Lmao
Main complaint (more of a nitpick) with chibi style was the first encounter with Cyrus. First time I ever played I had no idea who this weird menacing philosophical dude was until he came back as the team galactic boss. But now that galactic logo is just right on his outfit
Ah paying $60 for a $30 game...
I'll probably pick up Pearl again when this goes down in price-- OH WAIT! It never will.
I see it for 50 euro normally the switch games here are always 60 euro. Skyward sword was 60 for example.
Maybe black friday next year and boxing day this year. Lol😅😅🤷♂️
That's the same problem that LGPE and SwSh have. They cost $60 even though they should only be half that price!
You’ll want to go for Platinum but that’s not cheap either.
Just emulate Platinum
The problem is, diamond and pearl were bad pokemon games, and platinum was created to FIX diamond and pearl.
The problem is, they CHOSE TO BE FAITHFUL to diamond and pearl, the bad versions of sinnoh instead of platinum, the good version.
Thank you. I'm so surprised that they didn't incorporate some of the better parts of Platinum into the base games to make the best version of Gen 4 to date.
There are literally 15 years of perspectives telling you what is right and wrong with these games, and it seems like not much of that feedback was taken into effect in remastering them to make an improved experience....
I was wondering which of the two were better, I only played platinum
Also I'm assuming they're sticking to the whole first two games thing and won't remake the third, even if the third was better
Exactly! Even if they wanted to stay true to the DP storyline, there are little things Platinum did that you may not notice when its there but you definitely notice when it isn't. For example making all these evolutionary items more easily accessible or available earlier than post game. The Gen 4 evolutions were a huge hit with fans and of the ones I've checked on, you can't use any of them for the main game. The only ones I could find that weren't post game were the Thunderstone and Dusk Stone around the 7th or 8th gym. Unless you want to grind in The Underground and leave it to chance. They also made the Electrizer and Magmarizer version exclusive. I get Magby and Elekid..but the items as well?
Its not even that, D&P were fine games, of course platinum is the GOAT, but this game just feels soulless, looks worse than a ps2 game, and has EXP share on for all of your team with no way to turn it off.
uh, no, they were not bad pokemon games. they had flaws, but they were not bad games.
THESE remakes are bad games because they dont fix any issues and bring their who slew of problems.
Fuck man, dpp we're my fav games from the series, and just knowing there will never be a proper remake like oras or hgss makes me so sad. Since oras came out I couldn't wait for the gen 4 remakes and the possible new forms of the legendaries or extra story like the Delta episode. The original announcement for this game broke my heart :(
"Wooper Goldberg" very clever I like how you kept that in post
0:34- Yeah, I've found this is a really common mentality with so many people, this unhealthy belief that if you're a fan of a series, you have to blindly love and worship everything connected to it no matter what.
I love Star Wars but I fucking hate more than half of it
Consume product and get excited for next product!
Some people rather not call you a fan for simply disliking a game or two in the series, or even some aspects of one game 🤷🏽♂️
It's dumb. I don't have to play every game multiple times to 100% completion to be able to say I'm a fan
Honestly, half the time fans criticizing something usually means they love it but want it to be better. (Usually)
I hate the mentaility of people assuming that since you're a fan you can't, won't, and shouldn't criticize the product.
@@just1randomguy658 yeah I hate those people who are like it's a kids game grow up, man mario and zelda are kids games and they don't have this problem! They don't feel cheap or stale either even if some are better than others. If you are so tired of people complaining how about you help them get what they want, better quality and more options. Then you stop seeing them complain and they get what they want, win win
What gets me is that ORAS (which I'm not particularly fond of anyways) looks and *is* more impressive than this slab of bland, and that came out 7 years ago and on vastly inferior hardware. It's astounding just how much the quality of these games have gone down. This straight up looks like a mobile game, and that's just so sad.
I literally got a midroll ad for this game while watching the video.
It's like the game was saying "nooo don't listen to this video, buy me and give me a chance úwù"
I'm sick and tired of Pokemon fans basically bullying people who say anything negative about this game. Literally, "If you don't like it, don't critique it" is such a lame way to shut up people. Without people being critical with games we'd all end up with "GTA:Definitive Edition" cause everyone things the BIG COMPANIES need to be shielded from people pulling out their faults and crap.
Normalize talking bad about Pokemon games. Just because it's popular doesn't mean it gets a free pass on any negative critique.
From the very first trailer I thought the remakes looked kinda sloppy so I didn't even bother buying them :/
I hear a lot of people saying that Pokemon fans are "toxic" because we're never satisfied. Idk, maybe we're never satisfied with the newer games because they're unambitious, poorly designed and not worth $60??
@@squidward-kun well I've also seen the other side of the coin, where people will endlessly and blindly praise something like this
@@squidward-kun Yeah and yet they keep buying them anyway. Nintendo is not going to listen to any critique if the games keep selling like hot cakes anyway
The fact that this Gen 4 remake is not a remake of Platinum made BDSP DOA since their announcement, specially with the "faithful to Diamond&Pearl" nonsense, Diamond&Pearl always were bad games and still are, that softlock in the Ice Gym would never happen in Platinum.
@@squidward-kun I think is the other way around. Pokemon fanboys are toxic because they will BUY anything with the Pokemon name and will help them to keep being lazy and with that, they help to lose cuality and continue this spiral of mediocreness. And if someone tries to criticise that, they will raise torches.
Calling BDSP the definitive version of Sinnoh is like calling the latest FIFA a new game. Unless they add back the Platinum features, Platinum is the true definitive experience.
It is the definitive version of both diamond and pearl! It's not a platinum remake
@@tvirus9369 but like, platinum is straight up a better game
Renegade Platinum is the most definitive lol
@Peligroso Tortuga but it not a platnium remake its a diamond and pearl remake
@@tvirus9369 who cares? HG/SS added Crystal content and it’s own content. Enough with this tired ass “it’s not Platinum!” excuse. This was their chance to make a definitive game and it fell on its face
I'll just say this now, I fully expect a $30 season pass holding some amount of Platinum content to be sold separately in the future...
same
You see as dumb as that would be it would actually fix the game and require effort which is why I think they won't do it
The developers should have added that content to the game in the first place. The fact that you are volunteering to pay a total of $90 for a game you've already played 15 years ago is completely halfhearted
That does seem to be the new Nintendo model, asking you to pay extra money for features that on past handhelds were in the game at launch. But the hardcore Nintendo fans will buy it and call anyone who doesn't a fake fan, overly negative, etc., so I imagine the inevitable DLC will make a lot of money.
Once I saw none of the Platinum content was going to be brought over I saw zero need to waste money on these remakes. Glad to see I was once again vindicated by Gamefreak for not giving them money.
I really, REALLY wanted to like this game. After HG/SS when I realized that more games would be getting remakes, I had this fantasy remake for dppt I'd made up in my head. With all the new features Pokemon added over the years, and the stylized look of ORAS, I got more and more excited. Mega staraptor? 3D distortion world? More open and expansive routes? And then I finally got the game in my hands. 15 years later, and it got one smile out of me from straight nostalgia. I've been trudging through it ever since because I paid $60 for it. Not even the platinum style gyms? Not even a battle frontier!? Are you kidding me?
It's times like this I wish there were fangames better than what Nintendo's putting out right now...
Oh wait, there are! Sweet! I love fangames.
@@JasonGodwin69 Drayano is a god amongst men, I love his HG/SS hacks
@@neon1608 can't wait for his sequl ones
well you paid for it, nintendo’s mission is accomplished and you’ll buy wherever next game comes next even if you’ll criticise it
sounds like you expected something that game freak/the pokemon company never promised (these are not the best remakes but that irresponsible hype is on you)
I’m so sad that I’m not excited for these. Diamond was my first Pokémon game and got me into this franchise I love so much now. I keep looking at the videos though and I’m just really, really not excited for these remakes. I’m excited for everyone who is having a good time and I have a lot of other games to play so I’m not missing out too much, but I can’t help but be disappointed.
For real. I’ve been wanting this remake for years, but I just can’t bring myself to spend $60 when I already have the game
Same, I remember when it came it yesterday and I was just like “meh”. Especially since Arceus comes out in a couple months, I’d rather just wait to see if thet one is better(which it probably will be since this remake is half assed)
Yeah that's what this is, just a cash grab for the desperately nostalgic people but it's not even for the people who are nostalgic for platinum ffs! Which is me! So I'm just gonna pass
I was hoping for YEARS that they would remake these games with the same level of improvement that we can see in FRLG, HGSS, and ORAS, and really modernize it with new graphics and fun things to do, with all the benefits of the original third version. Yet I find myself just being sad with all the missed potential and the fact that we probably *won't* get another shot at these games being remade. This is it. We're stuck with a bare minimum 3D imitation of a 2.5D pixel art style that only really worked because of the use of low resolution sprites, slightly improved gameplay that only really seeks to cover over the old holes with the thinnest layer of paint, and a very okay-ish cover of the original OST that doesn't do much to reimagine. There's just nothing new for me, or anyone else who has played DPPt to do here, really. Platinum still feels like the better experience.
I hear you. While I did play my brother's copies of FireRed and Sapphire before Diamond, Diamond was the first Pokémon game that I actually owned, and I really enjoyed it. I just don't get this remake at all: the 1:1 nature of it comes across as nostalgia bait, and yet the 3D visuals that are far worse than the original's mix of 2D and 3D could not be more jarring for anyone trying to play these for nostalgia. If they wanted to go the nostalgia route, they should've done something like Ocarina of Time 3D and make the remake look the way you mistakenly remember the original looking.
i kinda expected palkia and dialga to have different primal forms
like with ORAS
The scene of chibi Cyrus looks like a joke. This is not intimidating, this is not a serious bad guy who wants to reset the world.
The thing that kinda annoyed me the most, was that the pokemon that walks behind the chibi player aren‘t chibi themself. That just looks awful! They are not in the same style and it instantly made me think: “ok, they don’t care at all. When they don’t even fit the style and just put it in cause ‘people liked it’”
Same. At the beginning I was happy with the pokémon they showed in thw trailer walking behind you, but they were mostly cute "baby" pokémon. Then I saw Empoleon running behind its trainer... awful
10:15-This is a great example of the "Zooming into poor visuals" thing Arlo mentioned. The setting looks fine from the overhead view but then the camera zooms in ultra-close and the floor textures end up looking flat and grainy and you notice there's no actual depth or definition to the floor because that's all baked into the textures themselves, meant to be seen from above and you can see the shadows bugging out and one particular spike of Byron's hair is casting a shadow onto the wall behind him that you wouldn't see unless they went in for that extra-close view...And that's without all the models and shadows on the lower floors popping in during the transition shots...
And then the face of Byron's larger model looks flat and . . . off.
I feel like that's not even the worst example. At 1:12 for instance... why on earth is it that zoomed in?? Their heads are bigger than the text box even. And even with the visual quality aside (flat textures, etc etc), zooming in that far just feels incredibly claustrophobic. More so at 3:22, especially when the player moves to the side towards the camera lol. The cut to zoom also feels super janky and sudden, almost as though it's trying to fight against the geometry of the world so it doesn't cause any clipping.
There are just so many things that feel half-assed or just straight-up unfinished with this game. For the transition into Gym battle, I get that they're trying to replicate the visuals and UI of the originals, but having the Leaders' (kinda ugly and similarly unfinished-looking) 3D renders stiffly slide onto the screen when you approach them reminds me of some fan-games that I played a few years ago. It looked fine in the originals, but that was all due to the system's limitations, which are now stripped away. I find it hard to believe no one wanted to update or alter that original animation so that it'd look better out of sheer creative urge lol, cause there's so much more that could be done with that.
This game just seems like the worst of both worlds, visually. We don’t get the genuinely great pixel art and we don’t get the sweeping, fully realized 3D landscapes. We just get mediocre chibi designs that aren’t evocative of anything
I probably wouldn't mind the flat textures so much, as clever usage of the camera can hide this. But because the camera frequently turns into a microscope, it's immersion breaking. It's like a magician performing their tricks from an angle to reveal their secrets. Just goes to show how important cinematography is to the world of gaming.
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Pokémon games lately feel so sloppily thrown together that it almost gives me vibes that animes made for merch do. Like so many shows have the problem of being nothing like their video game counterparts or card games, Yu-gi-oh is a good example of the latter statement. Lately though it feels like Pokémon games AND the anime are afterthoughts for the merch.
I get that kids today do some stupid stuff but like Pokémon never needed to be dumbed or watered down before, the challenge was why so many people are in here or any other comment section, hell it's probably why so many people can say they've been bored of Pokémon lately.
I think if Pokémon takes away things from consumers, cause they do listen to some shit we say, a miniscule amount but they do, is to not be afraid to bring back moments like Clay walling us off in Gen 5, to have Legendary pokemon actually feel like a spectacle, to feel like we're having a genuine adventure with hardships. Not to explore like Dora over here in the easiest landscapes possible. Sorry for the rant but these games are sucking the energy outta me lol
Its not dumbed down the game get's more challenging after the post game. The elite 4 as well as gym leaders have higher level Pokémon as well as a full team of six. There is also a LV 100 Shadow Giratina that you face in the new park area it is a challenge to get the orb for this Pokémon.
I feel like when making a one to one remake of the OGs, it would be soo hard to make wild encounters in the overworld work well without making every cave, forest, or small/narrow areas feel really cramped. Those areas were designed with random encounters in mind, and a redesign would've helped made overworld encounters work, but they just *HAD* to do a one to one "faithful" remake.
Lets Go managed to do it no problem tho
@@Shinooobi211 I wouldn't really call them 1:1 remakes tho at least not in the way BDSP does it.
@@Jettingson I meant the random encounters in Lets Go or rather their absence
@@Shinooobi211 I know, but the fact that lgpe weren't exactly 1:1 remakes allowed them to get away with putting overworld encounters in caves, forests, and narrow areas (said areas were scaled properly with overworld encounters in mind after all).
Also side note: pokemon overworld models fit with lgpe but look very out of place in BDSP (particularly the big bois).
Understandable, pokemon hasn't evolved at all as a series. Same thing over and over. I bought shin megami tensei V instead. I highly recommend it
Same here, SMTV is so much fun
Couldnt play that game for more than 5 hours. Running around in areas that look exactly the same, a fake difficulty in which you just need to grind to get past harder areas. Series just is over hyped.
Pass. I don’t like the premise and visual style of SMT5.
Weeb game
Basically. Its a series where you're better off just picking up one of the older games that you enjoyed or that looks cool to you because past the 3ds the games haven't even remotely improved
Thanks for giving an honest opinion. Never stop yourself from giving genuine feedback just because it might be negative.
Which Pokémon Game would you recommend.? I’ve been looking for one.
Man, I'm so disappointed. Platinum is my favorite Pokémon game, and I was really hoping the remake would be just as fun, if not more fun. But nope, can't get that lucky. The whole thing about not being able to turn off the EXP Share really bugs me.
The game is a lot more challenging during the post game. All legendries are LV 70 and the elite 4 after beating them the first time have way stronger teams. This goes for the rematch gym battles as well with each trainer having six Pokémon each.
@@burningflamesofdivinedragon Do you think the post game makes the whole game worth it? $60 is a lot of money to spend on something that doesn't get good until much later.
@@Roseforever84 Well I don't know what to tell you other then try shiny hunting for a starter or Dialga or Palkia. It makes the game fun for me just to shiny hunt and pass the time. :)
You could be thinking that Pokemon has a limited budget.
But realistically, they could create the best looking und most innovative games out there as their budget is approximately limitless.
So, that must mean they want their games to be like this. It's a shame
This wasn’t made by game freak
@@Haiden.Ambrose he never said it was
I guess I understand on some level that you wouldn't want to pay more than necessary for a developer to make a game for you. A company is trying to maximize profits here. Problem is Game Freak isn't willing to invest even a pittance of what they make from these games. They should be investing way more, and they should have way more employees in their own company as well so the quality of these games can be improved.
Budget doesn't mean soul
It’s on if it’s not broke don’t fix it system that’s why they don’t change much
"It's the pokemon company, I do expect decent things from them"
This is the single most confusing thing you have ever said.
Why would you ever expect decent things from the pokemon company?
They've pretty much been coasting for a long time. Every now and then they get good ideas, but the Pokemon formula has been absolutely done to death. It's why I typically play only every other generation. Because every other generation means that the same old formula feels fresh to me, and it's like replaying an old game I like, but with some new surprises.
But now? If I ever feel that itch again, I think I'm just going to do an Y or Moon Nuzlocke instead. I've got those games lying around. They've got the 3D battle animations, and Mega Evolutions are probably the best clever idea they've had.
I think he means that because TPC is such a media juggernaut, with so much money that they could be investing into making their games good, we are right to expect quality titles from them and not settle for mediocrity. Sadly they’re just not living up to what their own standards should be lately.
Because they used to consistently deliver decent things.
@@haydenhyde9395 a long time ago. I feel like you could say the same thing about a few other AAA gaming companies as well.
@Arlo did they remove Capture the flag minigame that was playable underground?
Honestly I’m quite enjoying it, thing I hate the most is that the “Synchronise” ability doesn’t work whilst chaining. I loved shiny hunting a perfect nature, but they’ve even taken that from me…
Go and change it with a nature mint. Your issue is solved.
@@glitter4686 Why did that issue need to be solved in the first place? Especially since the commenter wants to shiny hunt, not spend 2-3 hours in the battle tower.
@@glitter4686 That's how gamfreak thinks lol
@@comsicartisan7700 "Giving the player options is a suggestion only"
-The Pokemon Company
I feel the exact same way. Grew up with these games and was always dreaming about how they'd look when remade, but this is just the same thing, if not slightly blurry and unappealing. The lighting looks much worse than in the Let's Go games and Links awakening, I don't get it. I think I'd rather just replay them on the DS
That's exactly what my partner and I chose to do. Saved $140 by not buying the games and just busted out the ol' DSs instead. Plus we don't have to deal with stupid EXP All. It's a win-win.
@@LeleJackMusic was so up to buying pearl… now I don’t want too. You’re comment made me want to take out my DSI XL too.. damn what a shame tbh
And I am not sure if people calling this remastered because they got confused between the difference of remastered and remake, or the first impression that this game brought to them is a remastered game.
If it if due to the latter, then it just shows how lazy the developer is.
@@jesusgarcia-xj2mz it's actually a hit or miss. These games are better then sword and shield in my opinion
@@aliliz7204 I agree. They are not perfect at all not even close but they are a ton of fun and even with the exp share some battles are still pretty tough. Sword and Shield felt kinda soulless these at least feel like something was put into em.
It breaks my heart to see this review, because as much as I absolutely love Pokémon, I know this review is absolutely 100% accurate. I feel so drained as a Pokémon fan.
These games were my childhood and gave me so many years of happiness and it’s such a shame that the more modern games are letting down the series like this. I’m really hoping that the Legends Arceus games will give the much needed revival for this series.
Please don’t let us down Nintendo.
What? If anything these games are better than at least every other 3D entry. I’d rather them go back to the classic design process than to continue giving us subpar entries. This is the first time Pokemon has felt like Pokemon in a long time.
@@juice2307 It's still inferior to Platinum, even more inferior to what could be done on the Switch, and even more inferior compared to JRPG standards
This is the first time ive had genuine fun in pokemon since gen 5 or 6. my only issue is the movement
@@juice2307 100% agreed
nintendo doesnt make it tho
This is basically "wait for Pokemon legends: the game"
Yo if you could go over whether or not you can transfer all of your pokémon from Poké Home into this game, that'll help me come to a decision on if I'm going to buy it or not.
Arlo, respectfully, I don't think anyone is surprised these games are boring
Kyle, respectfully, I don’t think Arlo was expecting anyone to be surprised
Austin, respectively, I don’t think I know what to say about this conversation
Its only Diamond/Pearl/Platinum is boring because they played too safe. Its really felt like Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald with slightly better stuff
I guess he didn't see the leaks on how by the books it really was.
I played the originals as a kid. When I saw the trailer I was NOT impressed. I'll stick to platinum on my phone thanks.
This is also the first new “remake” that seems to not have any compatibly with its counterparts game.
Oras can work with x and y and has the full dex. Hg and ss could connect with gen 4 and had the full dex.
I think this has no compatibility with sword and shield. Kinda makes you wonder what’s the point of Pokémon home if you can’t move them into other games?
And talking about the old remakes, how come the Pokémon following isn’t just your first Pokémon in your party from the beginning of the game like hg, ss. And no wild Pokémon dex grass thing like oras.
I’m very upset with the things they took out like all the furniture in the underground.
On a side note, I liked the way let’s go looked.
It just seems so underwhelming for gen 4 remake compared to the other 3. ORAS had more. More Pokémon in the dex. More added features. More story.
This game seems it was just to check off that they made a gen 4 remake and collect that money, and it’s sad. Feel like I wasted my money a bit. I thought it was gonna be better too.
National Dex for Gen 4 and HOME compatibility have been confirmed but not until 2022. I was hoping for Wonder Trade and thankfully that is in!
Probably to funnel people into paying for Home. It's all about the bigger picture now, which is $$$
This is why I’ve given up on Pokémon they’ve become both greedy and lazy at this point not to mention their getting away with it
"And talking about the old remakes, how come the Pokémon following isn’t just your first Pokémon in your party from the beginning of the game like hg, ss." Maybe you don't want your first Pokemon to necessarily be the one following you??? Like the option is a good thing
@@Tyranatronus what do you mean? It used to be the first Pokémon in your party, so any Pokémon could follow your straight from the beginning.
This is such an interesting point of view to me. I’m really enjoying this but I haven’t played a Pokémon game in like 10 years haha so it might be purely from nostalgia reasons. Thank you for sharing this perspective !
Frankly, its good to see some pokemon critique finally happening. I've been kind of getting annoyed with the laziness and questionable business decisions ever since they did Ultra Sun/Moon, and had the gall to price S/S at AAA prices. If you're gonna charge that much, put some love in.
"The style isnt bad, it just matches the original!"
What a lot of people seem to forget when they say this is that the original style was designed for a 2d game on a tiny ass 256x192 display. This style works for pixelart on a DS, not as a full 3d game on the tv. It just looks weird and soulless like this.
I’m playing it on a switch lite so it works better but yeah I’d imagine it would be really bad for a tv screen
It’s subjective if you ask me, I like it.
Also, the original's pixel art just flat-out looked better than this, with a lot more expression and detail. Seriously; one of the advantages of 3D models over 2D sprites is that you can make the characters more expressive, and yet the original sprites are more expressive than the 3D models.
I am personally a huge fan of the cute chibis, but I can agree with the point that the execution of the concept could have been a lot better. I never played lets go, but from videos the textures, colors, and lighting are just prettier. Or if you look at Link's Awakening stuff like cliffs and trees have more modeling/depth, and are layered in a less repetitive way. Plus the characters could definitely stand to have more motion and emotion, even as chibis.
Chibi sprite ≠ chibi 3D models
I absolutely do not understand how people can defend that fugly 3D chibi
Save yourself 60 dollars and just emulate Platinum for free
I liked the graphics just because of the “it’s like how you remember it” vibe but I would be lying if I didn’t really want a fully 3D redesign with new forms or mechanics or something
The lighting and real time reflection are godly