Went for a ride today (on my newish 450 MT) and was thinking that DK hadn't put out a video in a little while! And then, there it is. Interesting comparison video. I like the T7 and the GS!
Would be good to see this test repeated ridden as ADV bikes instead of enduros ie fully loaded with gear as that's the main purpose of an ADV. I did a very similar track on my T7 in the weekend, deep into the bush solo so had all my camping gear plus tools spare tubes ,pump, drone, charging gear etc. The weight changes your riding style and what you ask of the bike so it may alter the results. Would love to try the BMW, have done 1800km on a KTM890 and just didn't gel with the bike , the T7 has some shortfalls but I'm pretty happy with it so far.
Agreed. I'm not sure why other manufactures don't just copy what KTM did. It's a great idea that should be implemented into more motorcycles. 4 gallons, or 180 mile range. Isn't enough.
Yes, I’m currently looking at the F900GS, T7 World Rally and Ducati Desert X, all because the dealers are close by. The big downside to the BMW is the tank range, a 20ltr tank would make it perfect for me.
Nice video. Out of this group, I believe only the T7 comes close to the off road prowess of the Aprilia Tuareg 660, but doesn't beat it. And doesn't even compete on pavement. Id be curious to see how the rest of these compare to the Tuareg on pavement. I still think the Tuareg is the best all around, at least at the moment. It's definitely good to see competition heating up in the middleweight adventure segment. Can't wait to see what's next.
In theory the Tuareg should be great but you just never see them in the bush or being pushed hard, I think they are prefered by riders who do mostly road and some light offroad.
@@Porsche996driver There are no Aprilia dealers in Wyoming. I usually perform my own service on all my bikes. However, there are at least a few 'bitcoin billionaires' along with other rich people with property in Wyoming (some are decent, some not), and at least a few 'crypto corrupted' politicians to go along with them, which artificially increases the cost of living for the rest of us here, although it's still much better to live here than Colorado.
Both the KTM and The Yamaha has seat heights that are out of reach for shorter riders which is where the BMW comes in for me and where I ride the fuel range is less of a problem.
I'd encourage every potential purchaser to ride the beemer yourself. I found it top heavy and the steering geometry is way too lazy. The front pushes in turns and it runs wide. I'd honestly prefer the old F800gs. It's lighter and has a way lower centre of gravity as well as over 2 degrees less head angle which makes it steer really well. I had an XR900. Same frame and motor. It steered like a shopping trolley too.
We know the truth about pickin up T7 an 6-790s. So the elephant in the room is, what’s this bloody great thing goin to be like to pick up in the real world! All the gear, fuel water an a tired rider!! That’s what’s more important out there!! Cheers Skippy.🙏🙏👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🏍️🏍️
@beags1979 This depends on your pace. I agree that the Tuareg is a very good bike, and the price is excellent. I wish it was a 900, but nothing can be done about the higher CoG that feels way higher than the KTM 890. I rode to my Tuareg test ride on a KTM 890, so was able to compare them back to back. There is no comparison.
@@2schrag Not necessary, but often yes. For me, the 890AR negates the need for the WR450F and a road sports bike. But I do keep a backup bike as KTMs are said to be unreliable, but so far, in over 20 years, it hasn't been needed 😊
890 is a dessert race bike. T7 proper adventure bike as it's been pretty obv shown by many riders and the bmw is just a show bike. I'd just use that one for normal street riding and small trips and once a while a backroad
Great video Dan, those tracks are wild.
The bikes just ate them up.
I would pick the 690. :D Great way to compare! Thanks! Would like to hear your thoughts about the 690 in comparison.
Great stuff, Dan, very informative!
thanks Josh
Went for a ride today (on my newish 450 MT) and was thinking that DK hadn't put out a video in a little while! And then, there it is. Interesting comparison video. I like the T7 and the GS!
Glad you enjoyed the video. Hope you're having fun on the 450 MT.
Would be good to see this test repeated ridden as ADV bikes instead of enduros ie fully loaded with gear as that's the main purpose of an ADV. I did a very similar track on my T7 in the weekend, deep into the bush solo so had all my camping gear plus tools spare tubes ,pump, drone, charging gear etc. The weight changes your riding style and what you ask of the bike so it may alter the results. Would love to try the BMW, have done 1800km on a KTM890 and just didn't gel with the bike , the T7 has some shortfalls but I'm pretty happy with it so far.
Ill still take the KTM any day
Great review lads 👍
Thanks, appreciate the feedback 👍
BMW should offer a 20l tank option on the GS. Its plastic and can't be too hard to do. The GSA is a very heavy bike.
Agreed. I'm not sure why other manufactures don't just copy what KTM did. It's a great idea that should be implemented into more motorcycles. 4 gallons, or 180 mile range. Isn't enough.
Yes, I’m currently looking at the F900GS, T7 World Rally and Ducati Desert X, all because the dealers are close by. The big downside to the BMW is the tank range, a 20ltr tank would make it perfect for me.
I test rode the 900 GSA today and it was great! Felt light and more like 115hp!
Great review. Thank you!
Wish the Tiger Rally Pro was included 🤘🏽🍻
Must admit that BMW looks great and I’d be tempted ❤!
Nice video. Out of this group, I believe only the T7 comes close to the off road prowess of the Aprilia Tuareg 660, but doesn't beat it. And doesn't even compete on pavement. Id be curious to see how the rest of these compare to the Tuareg on pavement. I still think the Tuareg is the best all around, at least at the moment. It's definitely good to see competition heating up in the middleweight adventure segment. Can't wait to see what's next.
In theory the Tuareg should be great but you just never see them in the bush or being pushed hard, I think they are prefered by riders who do mostly road and some light offroad.
Is there an Aorilia dealer in Wyoming for all the bitcoin riche?
@@Porsche996driver There are no Aprilia dealers in Wyoming. I usually perform my own service on all my bikes. However, there are at least a few 'bitcoin billionaires' along with other rich people with property in Wyoming (some are decent, some not), and at least a few 'crypto corrupted' politicians to go along with them, which artificially increases the cost of living for the rest of us here, although it's still much better to live here than Colorado.
Can't beat the sound of that tenere though. Just rumbles on past
Both the KTM and The Yamaha has seat heights that are out of reach for shorter riders which is where the BMW comes in for me and where I ride the fuel range is less of a problem.
Good luck spending top dollar on an essentially Chinese bike like the BMW.
900 is a great bike but filling it up every 250km and having empty tank light every 200km was not ok for me. So I sold it.
I'd encourage every potential purchaser to ride the beemer yourself. I found it top heavy and the steering geometry is way too lazy. The front pushes in turns and it runs wide. I'd honestly prefer the old F800gs. It's lighter and has a way lower centre of gravity as well as over 2 degrees less head angle which makes it steer really well. I had an XR900. Same frame and motor. It steered like a shopping trolley too.
I was surprised it only has 14.5 ltr tank, sounds like its very similar to the desert x or ktm 1090
1090 has 23 litres
Never liked bmw adv bikes. They felt too big, too bulky. This however, has me interested a d even the new f450 concept that they showed at eicma
We know the truth about pickin up T7 an 6-790s.
So the elephant in the room is, what’s this bloody great thing goin to be like to pick up in the real world!
All the gear, fuel water an a tired rider!!
That’s what’s more important out there!!
Cheers Skippy.🙏🙏👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🏍️🏍️
Of course 70-odd hp I'd plenty off-road, but it's not enough on road. It means I'd need another bike for the road.
The Tuareg is only 80hp and does great on the road.
@beags1979 This depends on your pace. I agree that the Tuareg is a very good bike, and the price is excellent. I wish it was a 900, but nothing can be done about the higher CoG that feels way higher than the KTM 890. I rode to my Tuareg test ride on a KTM 890, so was able to compare them back to back. There is no comparison.
I’m not too sure I see a problem here! Every rider needs two bikes in their garage
@@2schrag Not necessary, but often yes. For me, the 890AR negates the need for the WR450F and a road sports bike. But I do keep a backup bike as KTMs are said to be unreliable, but so far, in over 20 years, it hasn't been needed 😊
890 is a dessert race bike. T7 proper adventure bike as it's been pretty obv shown by many riders and the bmw is just a show bike. I'd just use that one for normal street riding and small trips and once a while a backroad
Kove 800
In this scenario of 3 options, the only one I wouldn't choose is KTM due to the problems with camshaft
KOVE 800x RALLY will have those 3 bikes for breakfast ...LOL. its 20 kilo lighter and more powerful than T7.
Bmw missed the mark with the fuel tank... such a shame. The 900 adventure is doesn't have the good suspension......
BMW fuel tank is way too small.
T7 as the only one with proper offroad tyres...not good comparison there.
End times happened already. Matthew 16 and 24 says it clearly. 70AD!
It should have been a Tiger 900 and not the T7 sorry. It isn’t even close to comparison to the mid size leaders.
What data do you base your statement on?
The Tiger 900's wet weight is 220kg, and it produces 106 HP. (It is 17 kg heavier than the T7.) Are you sure it should be in this off-road comparison?
when you say 'buy a bike' do you hear how you say them both the same?