Just wanted to say, I really enjoy your testing, and your honest reviews. There are only a handful of channels out there that are honest. Additionally you have helped me to choose certain knives and stay away from others. Thank you for taking the time and spending the money to do these videos. You put forth a lot of hard work into these and I appreciate it.
Interestingly, when BladeHQ did their recent salt lake/long duration corrosion testing the SpidieChef's LC200N/titanium fared really well but it was actually the detent ball that rusted away.
I saw that! Yeah pretty cool to see these things actually stand up in extreme environs. My little home ‘few hours in seawater’ tests are one thing, but utah salt lakes are something else entirety
Just a super job you've done here, Pete. Someone ought to bestow upon you a 'Golden Machete' award for symbolically hacking through that daunting practical knife metallurgy jungle. I can totally relate, but I'm glad you're doing all the donkey work, mate! But then, you seem to be enjoying it, of course. Thanks so much! So, as an older guy but knife-y newbie, I'm now thinking Native 5 Salt LC200N Lightweight to slot in as a "no worries" all-'rounder between my rustic Opinel No.8 (1.6 ounces) and an on-the-way Spyderco Urban K390 sprint runner (2 ounces)... ...and a spiffy Ruike P801SF (~ 4.15 ounces in pocket) and the S35VN LAPG TBFK Satin "big job folder" [...Received a 100% good one here, Pete, FYI: dead centered blade, well finished symmetrical scales, a little shake to close, etc.; so I'm very pleased despite your reservations and don't mind the very stud-ly flipper studs (thought I would!).] That group would seem to have a lot of bases covered -- now & future -- and pretty economically, too, States-wise... which, of course, I can only say provisionally at this point. Agree, maybe? ...Really enjoying the sensibilities and relaxed sense of good cheer of your channel, Pete. More than a few things are a-wack here at present (real life intrudes), and your channel does divert, educate, entertain, & cheer me. So thanks once more.
LC200N is the same steel as the aerospace metal Cronidur in Europe same as Z-FiNit Stainless Steel. They are all chemically the same except Cronidur has 1.0% silicon. They only have 0.30 carbon, but run 0.50% nitrogen. The nitrogen blocks any of the chromium from making carbide so it's very corrosion resistant as chrome is kept from being pulled into carbides. It is only able to be heat treated to RC 61 and is tempered to 59. Yet as the test shows it can hold an edge extremely well. Nitrogen being in the carbide matrix seems to make some pretty good knives and this alloy you can grind the edge fairly thin as it won't chip or rollover according to a report I read on it. The manufacturers spec sheet recommends if heat treated to maximum temp of 1910 F that the first temper at 355 F be done before a deep cryo in liquid nitrogen as it will tend to warp if put directly in LN while still under stress from the quench.
Love me some LC200N, I have to Pacific Salt, SpydieChef, Caribbean (2 Sheepsfoot and 1 Leaf), satin Autonomy 2 and a DLC Auotonomy 2. Sharpens great, just perfect for everyday, do anything with knife. Great Review Pete!
When will we be seeing a Vanax steel blade on your channel? I really think that this steel will be the future of outdoors knives in the high-end market. From what I've seen, it's basically a nitrogen version of Elmax, sharing its toughness and edge holding, but with the corrosion resistance of LC200n.
Great video! Love the music.As soon as I done with this comment I am ordering a that knife.Have been on the edge but your video did it.Thanks for spending my money but I think I will like it.
Hey Pete , when are you going to do the Spyderco CTS-XHP vs Cold Steel's XHP ? I'd like to see how the differences in heat treat translates to how many more or less cuts of rope and blade geometries also .
Love these unleashed videos, really highlights the importance of good edge geometry and conditioning. "Sharp" doesn't always = "sharp". Also I too consider this my favourite Spyderco, even though I don't own one ha. Only thing putting me off is the "unfinished" finish the blade has.
Great test. I've always thoroughly enjoyed the steel videos that you put out. However, a word to the wise concerning the Lansky. After using this system for the last 3 or so years, I believe that I have found most, if not all, of its quirks. The major one being that the angle guides are misleading. The prescribed angles are measured from the bottom of the the guide-hole to the edge of the clamp. Technically, the angle should be calculated by taking into consideration the amount of distance from the clamp to the edge of the blade AND the small amount of "slop" at the guide hole. You will notice that the guide-rods impact the top, not the bottom, of the guide hole, providing an increased amount of vertical distance. Your 20 degree guide is most likely in the ballpark of 18 degrees, which will increase the number of cuts for a test like this and most likely decrease edge stability.
This steel is why your tests are needed. Another fairly big youtuber and one that is a professional sharpener claims this steel is a "minor" improvement over H1. Geez. Probably going to have to wait for someone other than spyderco to start using it for the price to come down on it, a native salt in lc200n is going to be the same price as s110v.
20v will hold a longer edge, noticeably, and will be pretty rust resistant. This ones good edge holding but supreme rust resist, so its a choice which attribute is more important
yeah, the newer steels can be hit and miss until they sort em out I reckon. This ones obviously been good but I don’t doubt your experience - definitely teething problems from time to time. Just ask Nick Shabazz about his early run Maxamet Native - disaster
Must resist the urge....🙉 No no new knives for a while. But since there is such big difference in worksharp edge and polished it would be interesting to see how much better would ZDP-189 perform with poliched edge, and ZDP-189 especially since it was high performer with worksharp edge but all data suggest that ZDP-189 excel's with polished edge. ( Or does it 🤔??? )
Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors well lucky me👍 ZDP is such an oddball steel that it really could be eighter ways, but im suspecting its going to perform petter with polished, thats just how the Japanese roll, and steel composition wise that 3c 20cr with touch of tungsten, my autistic traits aren't strong enough to figure the issue out inside my head 🤔😂., So I'll wait and see what kind of results you'll get.
Thanks for your answer. I've got a TSprof sharpener so that shouldn't be a problem. From looking at this LC200N seems to be almost the ideal steel for EDC. I hope spyderco is going to do some more models with it.
Hope you’re dumping all those sisal shavings in your garden! Don’t know as there’s very many nutrients in there but it probably rots down pretty well, eh?
the steel is great. just wish spyderco would use it more. looking forward to the salt native 5 in lc200n. they also have a small fixed blade in the 2018 catalog in lc200n. the steel is tough as balls, so it should be great in a fixed blade, or even a small chopper.
If you are looking for a fixed edc with stain proof steel i can recommend the fox fx513 with nitro-b. Nitro-b steel is made by buderus in germany and is pretty similar with bohler n680. I had that blade for years and it served me really well :)
Bold claim agreed with 100%. Great to see.
Nick Shabazz I sure I am glad I bought this knife ... and kept it!
why would you keep the DELICA over this
now that you mention it, our SpydieChef edge keeps going and going a year later and we both carry it...
Just wanted to say, I really enjoy your testing, and your honest reviews. There are only a handful of channels out there that are honest. Additionally you have helped me to choose certain knives and stay away from others. Thank you for taking the time and spending the money to do these videos. You put forth a lot of hard work into these and I appreciate it.
Interestingly, when BladeHQ did their recent salt lake/long duration corrosion testing the SpidieChef's LC200N/titanium fared really well but it was actually the detent ball that rusted away.
I saw that! Yeah pretty cool to see these things actually stand up in extreme environs. My little home ‘few hours in seawater’ tests are one thing, but utah salt lakes are something else entirety
Achilles' ball
New versions have a ceramic detent ball. Constant QCI!
@@eachday9538 hah
@@eachday9538 tbf, we kind of all have Achilles balls
I agree. I love my LC200N knives. I have the Native Sat and the Siren.
Holy crap I seriously need a spydie chef asap.
same
Better wait for the caribbean leaf or the native 5 salt, same steel but better blade shape for edc.
Just a super job you've done here, Pete. Someone ought to bestow upon you a 'Golden Machete' award for symbolically hacking through that daunting practical knife metallurgy jungle. I can totally relate, but I'm glad you're doing all the donkey work, mate! But then, you seem to be enjoying it, of course. Thanks so much!
So, as an older guy but knife-y newbie, I'm now thinking Native 5 Salt LC200N Lightweight to slot in as a "no worries" all-'rounder between my rustic Opinel No.8 (1.6 ounces) and an on-the-way Spyderco Urban K390 sprint runner (2 ounces)... ...and a spiffy Ruike P801SF (~ 4.15 ounces in pocket) and the S35VN LAPG TBFK Satin "big job folder" [...Received a 100% good one here, Pete, FYI: dead centered blade, well finished symmetrical scales, a little shake to close, etc.; so I'm very pleased despite your reservations and don't mind the very stud-ly flipper studs (thought I would!).]
That group would seem to have a lot of bases covered -- now & future -- and pretty economically, too, States-wise... which, of course, I can only say provisionally at this point. Agree, maybe? ...Really enjoying the sensibilities and relaxed sense of good cheer of your channel, Pete. More than a few things are a-wack here at present (real life intrudes), and your channel does divert, educate, entertain, & cheer me. So thanks once more.
I love that knife too. Good to see what that steel can do. Thanks for doing this series of videos. I watch em all!
LC200N is the same steel as the aerospace metal Cronidur in Europe same as Z-FiNit Stainless Steel. They are all chemically the same except Cronidur has 1.0% silicon. They only have 0.30 carbon, but run 0.50% nitrogen. The nitrogen blocks any of the chromium from making carbide so it's very corrosion resistant as chrome is kept from being pulled into carbides. It is only able to be heat treated to RC 61 and is tempered to 59. Yet as the test shows it can hold an edge extremely well. Nitrogen being in the carbide matrix seems to make some pretty good knives and this alloy you can grind the edge fairly thin as it won't chip or rollover according to a report I read on it. The manufacturers spec sheet recommends if heat treated to maximum temp of 1910 F that the first temper at 355 F be done before a deep cryo in liquid nitrogen as it will tend to warp if put directly in LN while still under stress from the quench.
Would love to see you test and review the Spyderco Carribean with this steel when it releases
Great video, dude. You really bring info, actually, you make (!) info/data for us.
Wish I could see a nice steel like this in a kind of budget option.
Love me some LC200N, I have to Pacific Salt, SpydieChef, Caribbean (2 Sheepsfoot and 1 Leaf), satin Autonomy 2 and a DLC Auotonomy 2. Sharpens great, just perfect for everyday, do anything with knife. Great Review Pete!
Hell yeah, FF8 FTW. I just ordered my first LC200N, and it's a Kizer knife not a Spider Co. The Kizer Drop Bear Ti is on it's way in a few days.
This was righteous plus noteworthy.
Love your vids and your assessment of Lc200n. It's my current favorite and can't wait for the Native 5 either.
it would be cool to have this steel on a fixed blade from spyderco or a hard use folder
That fly seems to be quite interested in your results.
I wonder how much ergonomics play in this. That Knife was pretty much designed for your rope cut test. Ergonomically anyway.
When will we be seeing a Vanax steel blade on your channel? I really think that this steel will be the future of outdoors knives in the high-end market. From what I've seen, it's basically a nitrogen version of Elmax, sharing its toughness and edge holding, but with the corrosion resistance of LC200n.
I like the new spyderco native 5 with LC200N...the color is very nice...I have to get one
Great video! Love the music.As soon as I done with this comment I am ordering a that knife.Have been on the edge but your video did it.Thanks for spending my money but I think I will like it.
Holy shit. That was crazy. I got the mule in LC200N. Not as nice as the spidiechef, but it’ll cut. Lol thanks Pete
Hey Pete , when are you going to do the Spyderco CTS-XHP vs Cold Steel's XHP ? I'd like to see how the differences in heat treat translates to how many more or less cuts of rope and blade geometries also .
Thank you for the videos. Please keep up the great work. You do the world a service. By the info you give us . Huge rarity these days.
Love these unleashed videos, really highlights the importance of good edge geometry and conditioning. "Sharp" doesn't always = "sharp". Also I too consider this my favourite Spyderco, even though I don't own one ha. Only thing putting me off is the "unfinished" finish the blade has.
yeah its definitely on the more ‘machiney’ side of things
Unreal steel.... my dream edc knife would be a Endura/Pacific in LC200N
Great test. I've always thoroughly enjoyed the steel videos that you put out. However, a word to the wise concerning the Lansky. After using this system for the last 3 or so years, I believe that I have found most, if not all, of its quirks. The major one being that the angle guides are misleading. The prescribed angles are measured from the bottom of the the guide-hole to the edge of the clamp. Technically, the angle should be calculated by taking into consideration the amount of distance from the clamp to the edge of the blade AND the small amount of "slop" at the guide hole. You will notice that the guide-rods impact the top, not the bottom, of the guide hole, providing an increased amount of vertical distance. Your 20 degree guide is most likely in the ballpark of 18 degrees, which will increase the number of cuts for a test like this and most likely decrease edge stability.
I'd really like to see Spyderco do some sprint runs with this one or i'll get the new caribbean compression lock :)
Yeah, would love to see the Shaman or the Para 3 or PM2 in it, with light blue handles
The native salt will be in lc200n.
Mt. Baldwin yep i know but i was thinking of the stretch or endura or so :)
I’d like it on an endura i reckon. Bought those pants today btw, bloody stoaked
nice! they are highly water repellant too I’ve found
Oath. Keen to get em dirty. Is that the stone or diamond lanksky kit?
stone kit, but I have the 250grit diamond one too for quick reprofiling of the vanadium type steels
Just curious have you tried the autonomy2 yet in the lc200n? Or are autos not allowed in Australia?
You would love CTS BD1N, higher hardness, 63hrc, more performance, but still everything you love.
noice, only a matter of time before its in a spyderco, hopefully
@@CedricAda and so it was with the pm3 lightweight
HELLO, hope XMAS went well with family n friends!! Another great review, thanks for sharing!! :-) :-)
This steel is why your tests are needed. Another fairly big youtuber and one that is a professional sharpener claims this steel is a "minor" improvement over H1. Geez.
Probably going to have to wait for someone other than spyderco to start using it for the price to come down on it, a native salt in lc200n is going to be the same price as s110v.
The opening score from FF8 wtf last place I expected to hear it
Onу day I chose s110v pm2 over lc200n caribbean.. Although 110v is yet to rust, I wonder, was it the right choice?)
My LC200N UKPK is so fucking good. Best steel I want it for EVERYTHING!
Well holy shit...that is impressive!
What steel do you think would be the best on a salt water fillet knife for a fisherman?
hmm probably something a bit flexible? I dunno about fishing knife steels. This one is great if you are happy with it being rigid
Now i'm buying this knife because your review... 😀😍
Awesome vid sir.
👍😎👍
How does LC200N compare to CPM 20V? I'm really between the two for a Spyderco mule team build
20v will hold a longer edge, noticeably, and will be pretty rust resistant. This ones good edge holding but supreme rust resist, so its a choice which attribute is more important
Sorry for a noob question, but what is the knife you have just tested here?
all good - its the Spyderco Spydiechef
Thanks, and thanks for all your steel tests too - super useful !
mine developed so chips in the blade from normal food prep. I might have just got a bad one.
yeah, the newer steels can be hit and miss until they sort em out I reckon. This ones obviously been good but I don’t doubt your experience - definitely teething problems from time to time. Just ask Nick Shabazz about his early run Maxamet Native - disaster
Must resist the urge....🙉 No no new knives for a while. But since there is such big difference in worksharp edge and polished it would be interesting to see how much better would ZDP-189 perform with poliched edge, and ZDP-189 especially since it was high performer with worksharp edge but all data suggest that ZDP-189 excel's with polished edge. ( Or does it 🤔??? )
I’ll pick up a stretch soon in ZDP and check it out. Not sure about whether it prefers polish or toothy, might try both
Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors well lucky me👍 ZDP is such an oddball steel that it really could be eighter ways, but im suspecting its going to perform petter with polished, thats just how the Japanese roll, and steel composition wise that 3c 20cr with touch of tungsten, my autistic traits aren't strong enough to figure the issue out inside my head 🤔😂., So I'll wait and see what kind of results you'll get.
silly question maybe, but would you consider using your work sharp to sharpen the chef?
have done! back in the original test that was a work sharp edge: it did okay!
Again that virgin sacrifice ceremony music ...
Is it hard to sharpen LC200N?
Not particularly - about the same as S35VN or XHP - pretty much autonomous if you have any kind of angle system, even a basic one like the lansky
Thanks for your answer. I've got a TSprof sharpener so that shouldn't be a problem. From looking at this LC200N seems to be almost the ideal steel for EDC. I hope spyderco is going to do some more models with it.
Caribbean - LC200N in G10 and cheaper with compression lock
Good video
I sure hope this model isn't subject to the price increase of 2018.
You like this steel more than M390 ? If you make a V edge on the Liosteel M390 folder will probably make more than 430 cuts.. tempting? 😁
yeah M390 is awesome. Another great steel - probably my second ideal world choice.
Is anybody else watching the fly? Who is obviously also a fan?
Cool video and nice music :)
I'm worry about one thing... toughness of this steel. Is it more or less chippy than s30v for example?
Grind the edge thin it isn't chippy at all.
M390 V.S LC200N?
edge retention m390 seems to clinchit so far
Hope you’re dumping all those sisal shavings in your garden! Don’t know as there’s very many nutrients in there but it probably rots down pretty well, eh?
the steel is great. just wish spyderco would use it more. looking forward to the salt native 5 in lc200n. they also have a small fixed blade in the 2018 catalog in lc200n.
the steel is tough as balls, so it should be great in a fixed blade, or even a small chopper.
Is it chippy in real world use?
not so far and its seen some stuff
If only it had a handle shaped handle
Ooh, Final Fantasy VIII - Liberti Fatali! Perfect for perfect knives! :)
Carmina Burana "o fortuna" was a better soundtrack choice .
hehe, my dramatic musis selectonsnare generally limited by whether Japanese RPGs have use them
That pesky fly.....
it would be cool to have this steel on a fixed blade from spyderco or a hard use folder
bp69 They did it in a Mule....
didnt make a fixed blade
If you are looking for a fixed edc with stain proof steel i can recommend the fox fx513 with nitro-b.
Nitro-b steel is made by buderus in germany and is pretty similar with bohler n680.
I had that blade for years and it served me really well :)