Steel Review: LC200N
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Your killing it lately Peader!! You're about the last real thing left in knifetube, incase nobody has told you lately, you are appreciated. Seeing a new video come out from you is always a breath of fresh air! Thanks again for your time and effort
There is a good reason why every knife youtuber follows pete.. the hero we need 👌
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I would also like to add outdoors55, JoeX and CBRx to that list. In fact, just like maxlvledc here, we have so many other genuine and great people in the community!
Always keeping it real as usual, something I really appreciate as well as your effort and sense of humor😊 thanks Pete👍
He's still not a talking Ad for knife companies, kudos my fellow berzerk and OPM reader 👍
Glad to see you having fun with it again Pete :)
I like how this channel is half information, half fever dream!
Basil doing the Maynard scream at the end is still best ever
LC200N is underrated! It's a reliable go-to pocket knife steel for all activities or outings that result in sweat/moisture getting on your blade. For my work, it's perfect as it never stains or corrodes and has excellent edge retention - quick touch up on ceramic or strop and it's good to go. I'm looking forward to trying the spyderco magnacut salt series, but the comment about funko pop collection has me rattled and shaken... will have to see what the Therapist says about my knife collecting... do I really need to jog with a spyderco carribbean in my pocket
My chef is my favorite camping folder for that reason
Congratulations ! Spyderco Caribbean is the pinnacle of jogging carry knives.
BTW, I want one.
Good! I love experiences with different steels and geometries - so Spyderco is the ONLY brand to reliably bring out new steels at their proper hrc levels.
Sal and Eric Glesser are enthusiastic hardcore steel nerds, so I trust their output in getting things right for the buyer's to experience.
I love LC200n
I really love the direction your channel is going
differential sharpening was designed for chef knives that use their length to cut
As another knife steel nerd I really appreciate you doing this repeatable testing so I DON'T HAVE TO 😅
Have to say that I was quite surprised with the durability, edge holding, ease of sharpening and keenness of LC200N on my UKPK. I’m not a steel snob and happily use my Case TruSharp, Opinel, SAK, 14C28N, 440c, 52100, VG10. NitroV, AEBL and high end powder steel knives without compliant. If my knife needs tuned up, I tune it up and get on with it. I didn’t really know what to expect from the LC200N once in hand but, I took notice of the very things you have mentioned as it worked its way around real world use. I really like 14C28N as well.
I LOVE my Chef!! And FYI, the fancy blue one is the Knifejoy exclusive.
Bought mine 3 years ago it’s the best quality folder in the $250 range I own. LCN takes a keen edge and doesn’t require a lot of edge maintenance.
When I lived in an area that had fairly strict knife laws I carried Spyderco folders. That was back before I knew very much about the different steels. I've lived in a more free area for some time now where you'll see belt knives (and pew-pews) pretty frequently at the grocery store and around town so I'm more comfortable with fixies these days. I'm in my 50's now and my hands need more comfortable handles.
Love the LC 200N from quiet carry as well, I think you’d love the Drift LC I have both but it may be the ultimate all around daily user out there. I swim in salty creeks and fish and work with a sheep’s foot Caribbean or that drift and think it’s the best option for all steel variables…but have always lived my Chef 🧑🍳
I wouldn't at all be surprised if Quiet Carry used the same OEM in Taichung that Spyderco contracts with.
My Spyderco Salt 2 in LC200N is my go to travel knife. Easy to replace lightweight and if I use it and don't clean it I don't need to worry about rust.
Would be interesting to compare LC200N from Japan vs. USA vs. Taiwan.
I have a spyderco waterway(usa) and found the edge retention to be a bit disappointing. Also found that it's not all that much more corrosion resistant than my M390 knives. I just bought a PM2 Salt in Magnacut, excited to see how it hold up.
@@taylorhickman84 LC200N has average abrasion resistance. Though if you use if on your less abrasive materials (meats, foods, wood, plastics, etc) vs. cardboard, very rough rope, etc. then its performance is more than adequate.
Also, it’s super easy to touch up. So you can actually have a razor sharp knife ready to go, in your pocket all the time, with very minimal effort. Basically, as long as you’re not cutting abrasives for prolonged periods of time, then the edge retention it’s lacking is only but a triviality.
Honestly, a lot of the differences in edge retention between these steels is only evident in testing and in somewhat controlled environments. In daily edc use, it isn’t very tangible.
As far as rust resistance- M390 is very corrosion resistant, but not nearly as rust proof as Lc200n. My Waterway lives on my boat and kayak 365 days a year, exposed to salt water in the pacific, and holds up real well. M390 wouldn’t.
Best knife channel on the tube. Exactly the kind of content that keeps me in the hobby. Focusing on building my sharpening skills. I’m decent and I like progressing with ya. 🍻
Glad you’re having good results with Lc200n , as I now have a drawer queen spyderco salt2 , for my every day tasks like cutting hay bail string and net , cutting my lunch up , , opening boxes occasionally cleaning a deer, the Lc200 just didn’t seem to work well for me, my vg10, CV20 , s35vn provides a better, easier to maintain steel .
All spyderco of course 😊😊
I did go fishing with my vg10 endela and at the end of the day it had some mild rust spots, so maybe the salt2 could come out of the bottom of the drawer
Just purchased my first lc200n knife, should get it next week. Happy to start off my day with the knife lab. Hopefully you'll do a rope cut test with serrated vs plain edge one of these days
I think the knife lab intro is perfect
Thanks, love the steel testing & the fact that you embraced freehand sharpening !
I thoroughly enjoyed this review! Good info and I love how in depth you went
Just about every Spyderco that’s passed through my hands has been sold on at one point or another except for my OG Endura, my first US made Spyderco (both for sentimental rather than practical reasons) and my Spydiechef. It’s like the one knife I just can’t seem to let go.
Loving your freehand excitement. It does just sort of hit you.
Always enjoy your wit, humor, explanations, and tests. Keep up the good work!
Love your work man. Cat is awesome as always. It was interesting with the two types of edges. I didn't know it was even the done thing to have a fine finish on one side of the blade and a coarser finish on the other.
I’ve been hoping for a cut test video,and I really enjoyed this one.
Good steel,I wish I had some.
Thanks for bringing up the good toughness lc200n has. I have the Caribbean and Spydiechef. Great outdoor/yard work steel.
Great video. I absolutely love lc200n it's so easy to bring back the edge. It's very tough also catch a staple get a roll 3 swipes on a ceramic rod slice paper.
That Knife Lab opening sequence is giving me Dr. Steve Brule vibes. And I'm here for it ya dingus.
For your HEALTH!
Thank you for your videos and hours of work behind the scenes ❤
muchly appreciate the support!!
Glad to see bricky back
Thanks Pete! Very interesting. Must have felt different than the old dual grit edges, 400 Mesh CBN made it really grabby, but not as smooth. Interesting results. Thanks for doing these tests. I value your input!
Sitting here sharpening a Spydiechef & this pops up. Can see the freehand sharpening has reignited your passion, love your work 👍
It's a shame Spyderco never played with VANAX. That is my favourite rust-proof knife steel.
Another informative video, thank you. Basil is the best. Please show the pups soon.
Years ago I kind of also settled in to only really buying, using and trusting Spyderco for what I enjoy and look for in this hobby and a production knife company. I can trust that their wide array of steels will be heat treated and perform properly but they also have such a massive catalog of unique purpose driven designs. I do wish that they would get back to more collaborations with makers of those sort of designs but I also enjoy finding the random obscure and odd discontinued spyderco on the secondary market.
On top of all that Spyderco is a good reputable US company who fund raise and support a lot of different organizations and groups out there, as well as provide jobs and work in this industry all over the world, so I never feel guilty supporting them. With all that said, most importantly, I like round holes in my blades…
LC200N has been a goal steel of mine for a while. This test locked in me trying it out. A good beach knife cannot be underestimated. I’ve had the longest experience with S30V personally and found nothing wrong with it
Well done, Brother!!
Thanks. Your stone sharpening has really improved. 🎸🔪
I have an LC200N Drop Bear from Kizer and love it. But I've just never liked the look of Spyderco and thumb hole only deployment... but it has always felt like I have to try one.
I see you got the transporter fixed. Nice.
Great intro, had me in tears.
easily has become the best knife channel
Creely Blades uses Bohler N360, which is apparently equivalent to LC200N.
I’ve lost a lot of interest in folding knives lately, but I’d love to see some fixed blades in LC200n.
I think that LC200N on a Titanium Frame Lock like the spyder-chef is an under-rated combo. It’s so absurdly easy to clean becaus there are no little pockets from liners, or locking mechanisms cleaning it is as simple as running it under water. It’s almost as easy as a fixed blade.
I love the thing for all my outdoor tasks, weirdly enough the blade shape is excellent for making feathers and the LC200N does fairly well with wood. The toughness means that I can ding it cutting steak on cast iron and only have minor rolling to repair.
Loved this knife and steel so much I got a 2nd!
I've always hated Spyderco designs but you're fully correct about their steel applications. I've softened my stance since learning this
Good info thanks
Thanks
I love my Caribbean! Great knife. I also love my new Military 2, which features the old toilet paper steel!
Never heard of anyone sharpening the knife differently per side. I doubt I’ll ever get to a place where I can play around with the idea but it is interesting.
Thanks for the cut test. So glad you didn’t try it with 15V or K390. Would not want you to be out with a long recovery.
Would love to see a comparison video of all the splash and go Japanese whetstones you've bought recently.
Let the madness flow through you
My experience with LC200N on a Spyderco Pacific Salt is that the edge rolls easily but also strops nicely.
What edge angle? That’s disappointing. I’d probably try a 30 back bevel and experiment with 40, and 45 degree edges
@@lindboknifeandtoolIt's still on the original edge. I mostly cut food on hardwood cutting board with it.
Ahhhhh got me with the jump scare there
Great.
I’d love to see you test Kizer on lc200n they have a version of the drop bear in it, thought about picking up one but had no idea how their heat treat would be. The Chinese picking up on it is interesting for sure. Also I think quiet carry do lc300n now too, not sure
Kizer does a very poor job heat treating steels in my experience
Yea I’ve had magnacut rust on two knives of mine. Tactile rockwall and an axial gear fixed blade. Brought my opinion down a bit but still love the steel.
Magnacut needs expert heat treating, and many aren't doing it right. Also needs high hardness bto be worthwhile, which again many aren't attaining
@@MB-jg4tr Exactly. The magnacut blades I have that are 63-64 HRC are in another league
I guess I'm a funko equivalent collector then. I've got way more spydercos than any other knife. When i buy a new knife these days its usually to try out a steel people have talked about, I'm not a new lock, or integral, Ti, or alien space metal handle kinda guy. I dont care about machined pocket clips. My favorite knives are Victorinox, Leatherman, and Plastic handle backlock Spydercos. The first two are safe bets and always work for the job, and Spyderco gives me a chance to try a new steel for the nerd in me on a familiar knife platform that I already know is good. I wouldn't have several of each Seki knives otherwise. With plans to buy more of them. I still need to get myself some of that minty fresh m4 they do.
I have been carrying my new Spydiechef, every day for six months. Love the knife. I like to fidget with it. It seem to me that the titanium lock bar is wearing away very fast. Should I be alarmed about it?
it might just be wearing in - theres usually a slight compression over time as it clicks over the steel of the blade stock. The one in this vid is 7 years old with frequent use and no issues. Should be kool
Thank you for the prompt reply.
Bricky's sounds chill, less edgy.
I have the fancy blue version
I use my spyderco salt in lc200n to clean and break down deer .its a nice steel.
Lc200n is my favorite! Wish it was on more knives. I feel it strops back forever between sharpening
How’s your back fellow nephilim? Enjoying the chairs that people make? Enjoying the heights of doors and chandeliers?
I know I’m not
@@lindboknifeandtool about to be on a long flight. You already know I'm not looking forward to it
:42 in oh how I missed that tune...
I've heard Buck has an insane heat treat on S30V. I don't have any Buck knives, because I can't imagine a worse locking system than a rear back lock, and I'm not super into fixed blades. I'd love to see you test an S30V Buck blade though.
I have a Buck 119 special in S30v. It has the Boss heat treatment and they did a nice job on it. I'm a hobby sharpener and halfway metallurgist. I have everything from free hand, Tormek T-8 almost exclusively use CBN wheels from wood turners wonders Spartan series. An Old super grind. But when I started fixed angle sharpening. I was home. I eventually settled on a TS prof K03 and almost exclusively PDT CBN metallic bond.. Anyway I have dedicated a lot of time to the art. And have seen the good, and bad in the trade of heat treatment. I can say with full confidence from the Paul Boss heat treatment method to even their old 110 in 420hc are able to punch above their weight bc of the quality of treatment Buck does,and had done. My 119 in S30V wants to get sharp. De buring is crisp and clean. And judging by the cut rate of the CBN stone it " feels" like other blades I have had tested and know for certain the HRC. And it appears to be a 59-60. I have heard other claims of a higher HRC on Buck S30v. I can only tell you about the one sample I have from Buck in that composition. I have however done umpteen hundred Spyderco blades in s30v and their ht is "almost" always on point regardless of composition as well.
I would also like to give credit to my mentor the late Dr. Vadim Kraichuk.
@@americangraffiti6192yeah, spydercos s30 is just sticky nasty. It feels like a tool steel.
Using benchmade and other examples of s30 has me not liking it. If I was using a benchmade I’d want d2 over their s30.
I wanted to escape s30 when I first got into knives, now I see it’s just an excellent cutlery steel.
Have you used magnacut yet? I also didn’t like the hype but I just bought a bar and an excited to try it
A lockback is stronger than a liner lock, frame lock, button lock, compression lock... basically everything short of a triad, deadbolt, or the shark lock. Axis locks depend on how well they're made to be stronger than lockback, some are some aren't.
Pretty good for an old mechanism, reliable and robust
Not just the heat treat , the grind is thin. It’s a laser and one of the knives that I always feel scares me haha.
They do have some liner-lock models...
Ok, so Brickie was introduced (albeit in cinder block form) as a means of dulling blades before sharpening.
Could he be used to sharpen a blade? If so, what kind of edge could you get from Brickie?
Yes, a brick can be used. Edges can be decent if the side used has been lapped/flattened. There are a few vids on YT showing brick sharpening. Consensus on the ones I've seen seems to be that in a pinch, random flat rock or brick will work. They are just not as good as purpose-built stones.
@@zionpsyfer thanks for the info, but Brickie is no mere brick. He was formed by the same forces that formed the stars eons ago.
I’m nearly convinced to try freehand even though my hands just don’t jive.
Rick hinderer does quite a few but more of a limited production run type of operation
I suspect Gabe's Dual Grit is better for real world rope cutting vs cutting on the cutting board. The Dual Grit edge seems to grab the rope better when stretched out or folded in the hand.
Sometimes that gritty edge is perfect for the moment.
Sorry to make it 421, but had to like even if just for the intro.
You made it. I watched it. That’s plenty enough. BTW can you explain the difference between European M390 treatments and US/other treatments please?
You need to invent some automatic rope feeder to avoid hand cramps :)
What do you do with all that shredded sisal?
hahah I don't collect funko pops but I definitely have a few .. and I bet old mate that left the comment has a couple 😂
Now if only spyderco would make a 3d sculpted handle
A lot of why you said you like LC200N are reasons why I like 14C28N. Quite similar steels.
My first knife is the catcherman.
I wanted tk buy some to make with but even the z finit is $75 for a bar that would cost $45 in magnacut. If I’m paying the premium I want my knife to day “lc200n”😂
Seems like everything I want from cpm 154. I like my high carbide steels, but using regular stones is always fun.
RIP 52100 military, she loved the Arkansas stones… 😢
Nah yeah honestly why is it so expensive >:(
Generally, you aren't cutting rope against a chopping board rather strung up or looped in hand where you would be using the full length of the blade. Would have been nice to just run a side by side and give your general opinion in that fashion.
He’s done the cutting board since the beginning. That exact cutting board. Changing it would invalidate all results.
This usage is more real world to me. Abrasive wear plus random lateral forces. He thinks it’s why magnacut cut above its weight.
@@lindboknifeandtoolyeah I say stick with it
To clarify, I don't mean pull it taut and cut it 400 times, rather just a subjective feel to how it cuts, as that is what was being talked of in the video. @@lindboknifeandtool
We need a Sal Glesser Funco Pop.
We need an Eric Glesser to go with that as well. I would purchase the set to go with my collection.
Is that Bricky's dopelganger? Maybe identical twin? Me likey original Bricky's voice!
My Spyderco BD1N outperforms my benchmade s30v.
Haha well I guess I'm a funko pop collector then lol..spydies are all I use.I've tried the other main knife brands.but spyderco has everything I need and nothing a don't in a pocket knife
I hope Spyderco doesn't phase out LC200n blades for Magnacut.
lab coat def improved the video imo
I was able to accidentally put a small rust spot on my chef after 1 day in the detail shop. It must've been some wheel acid that splashed or something
Tradeoffs! Magnacut may hold an edge a little longer than LC200N, but LC200N is a bit more corrosion resistant than Magnacut? Take your pick? 🤔
I figured out a way that you could actually perform your cut test effectively without cutting into something else once you make each cut through the twisted sisal rope. if you were to be interested in doing so. which at this point i am sure you are not.
your lab-coat looks like it's been stored in a vac-seal bag! which is good house/lab-keeping.
Dammit.... My knife collection looks like a Funko Pop collection. Oh, well... I will continue to purchase more Spydercos with the occasional Lion Steel and MKM.
TRM just came out with Atom and Neutron in Magnacut. Let me know if you want help getting one.
I love LC200N but i think Vanax beats it out. Wish you had mentioned it.
I have a native 5 in LC200n and find it horrible. It feels like 56hrc, can't hold an edge at all. That resulted in me hating the steel. I may add that I had a superficial spot of rust after a day of diving, so maybe a faulty HT idk...
ooh yeah sounds very much like a bodgy HT!
@@CedricAda Yes I think so too. It takes scratches easy, and after a time I hand polished it with sandpaper and it was suspectively easy. (I am a hobbyist knife maker, I can tell)
Maybe I'write to spyderco about that.
Thanks for your good videos. 👍👌
HOODIE! What's the brand?
Katt!
are you the Australian HULK DOCTOR.. LAB COATS LAB KNIVES.... SMASH ROCK LM AO🤓
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Truth be told I don’t deserve anything over 14c28n
bark river magnacut all tarnish bad, and fast
Anyone else noticed that lc200n scratches easily? Not an issue, just an observation on my Caribbean.