Making a new Vise Threaded Rod for a Mill Vise
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Channel viewer Tim Riley made a visit to the shop to get some help making new vise threads for a Palmgren vise that he purchased that had damaged threads. I put Tim to work on the lathe, learning how to machine his own work! Follow along as we turn and cut acme threads for his vise.
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I've been machining for 50 years and sadly, there's not enough of teaching this trade today... Good job Keith and Tim.. And Tim, never stop learning this trade, the world needs more ambitious guys like you.... Keep it going..
If you ever have the desire to teach and live in Virginia please let me know sir!
Keith thanks for giving Tim the great opportunity to do some of the work himself, the error he made will stick with him forevermore, thus he will remember to double check his operations a little more carefully. The entire experience on a up and coming machinist was a fantastic adventure for him and I am sure he will be ever great full to you! Thank you for showing this video, it may also help other young viewers.
Well said. and Good job to Keith for involving Tim. You just can't learn some skills without doing them and, more importantly making the mistakes. Mistakes are, after all make up a valuable part of experience
I wish when I was younger someone local to me had some equipment I could just see in use it’s really not been but the past couple years that I’ve seen how this stuff works that it’s captured my interest your doing great things keeping this side of machining alive thank you for all that you do
Well done Keith and Tim. It was very kind of you to help Tim out Keith.
Love to see real learning in action! Thanks for sharing Keith.
It's really tough to teach and do at the same time. I commend you both for the effort and the willingness to show the world. Tim I hope you caught a bug for the process and if you did it's worth all the effort!
Its wonderful you are passing your skills to others. Keeps the knowledge alive.
Your generosity is commendable Keith. Sharing knowledge from a mentor to a budding machinist.
I try to learn something every day. I'm 76 and still have lots of memory left. It is the journey not the destination that makes the trip.
Well said. I'm right there with you.
It was good of you to help this fellow with your schedule and all. As far as his little mistake I wouldn't sweat it. I like you have been doing this stuff for years and still make mistakes too. Sometimes it is the simple ones that bite the hardest. It is how you learn. I have seen some damaged vices before but that one takes the cake! Palmgren is a pretty good vise. Glad the boy got some time in your shop and learned a few things. You may have started a trend..........
I yelled at the screen as loud as I could about left hand threads and you did not hear me. LOL Been there "multiple" times unfortunately. Kudos to you for teaching younger folks. I regularly have interested fellas into the shop for some machine time. So satisfying to see them smile when they finish a part.
Me too, but I yelled "Keith, try heating the ring before cut it off", he didn't hear me either.
love to see young folks wanting to learn a trade. excellant job tutoring him.
Way to take the extra step and help this guy and at the same time pass on some of your knowledge to someone new to the trade. You are a great guy Keith
As a masonry instructor I had many students that learned and sometimes that was by making mistakes. I also learned realizing I had not watched them close enough! But it was as your video shows a good learning process all around... Even for us who watched! Thanks, Greg.
Good to see a young guy willing to learn . . .not to many around . . .Good luck Tim.
Ouch, what a mess!. Great to see a wide range of skills used to effect a as new/remanufactured item.
Good to see a younger person experiencing the sound practices, method and solution.
Thanks for sharing and best regards from the UK.
What a cool set of videos it would be to follow you and Tim in his learning adventure.
I had a fun time going to Keith's shop and learning. I probably could have picked something besides left handed acme threads but I wanted a challenge.
We learn a lot from these little blunders, great to see you teaching a new generation. Threading is a very anxious process but a great skill to master. once you do you feel like DAM i can make anything.. I'm also rebuilding a big engine lathe and excited to make my own mistakes...cheers
Good on you Keith for taking the time out to show Tim how its Done. Yes learning some times by making mistakes. Long as the lad has learned all good :) Dave from Australia
I have worked for Hardinge Inc. for 39 years. Everything really important that I have learned in my life came from mistakes. Don't feel bad Tim. This is how great workers are made.
A Romanian machinist once told me, " Man with hands in pockets, makes no mistakes. "
Wish I could teach more guys like this. I did teach a fellow how to use compound infeed for threading about a month ago to get a better quality thread without as much chatter. He was thrilled with the results.
Very nice gesture keith ,you just took me back to when I started my apprenticeship in Aprill 1954.
Good teacher, good student. If we never made mistakes we would not know what to look out for
I always make the biggest mistakes when teaching someone the "right way" to do things. You both learned some things and I would like to see more videos of the masters teaching others. It was great seeing the Monarch making real chips again.
Enjoyed Tim learning.If he doesn't live to far away,maybe a few videos with Tim would be nice,Keith!
Tim, start a TH-cam channel. I think a lot of us would like to see your journey from complete newbie to having a running shop. You could show your mistakes and solutions so that we can all learn right along with you. Finding a Palmgren mill vise for $20.00 is a definite score. With that kind of eye you should have a nice shop in no time.
I actually do. Starting my shop from the ground up. It's OldRedFord00
There is no work more valuable to all of us than teaching someone a new skill. Thanks to Keith for sharing his knowledge and Tim for his effort to learn.
Great to see you help other people really great
You are a true saint. Not only did you help him fix his vise, you also let him use your machines to learn a new skill.
I love this video and the demonstration of mentor-ship. And the rest of you who need mentor-ship: Don't underestimate the joy of a gift you give older retired person when you ask them to spend a little time helping you or explaining something. When you need help remember others in society who benefit from the engagement and the acknowledgement of their value and worth. Kindness is free. These experiences are never forgotten.
Well said, this type of thing needs to happen more often. By the time I was in my thirties I noticed the kids just starting out would never ask questions. One day someone did something wrong. So I explained to them you never stop leaning and I want to hear questions all day long. It worked from then on all I heard how do you do this I do it this way because and so on. I would love to have younger people around to mentor I am disabled but still have a nice shop and over a half century of wisdom going to waste.
@@andyZ3500s Thank you for your kind words. I don't have any children and when I get a chance to help a younger person it really lights up my day. I'm still working and one of the highlights is the "intern" time of year at the university. I'm actually contemplating some future where I have an intern for home workshop stuff one or two days a week for a period each summer. Don't know if I'll ever be able to swing that we'll see.
@@CraftedChannel thanks crafted the home workshop would be a great thing even if it helped a couple kids. Tim brought back memories of when everything was in front of me. I am only 53 but have a bad case of trigeminal neuralgia 28 years now. Since I was hit when I was only 25 I never married so there is nobody to pass things to either. I'm have been able to get out once in a while and have been doing some volunteer work. We have alot of good things going on where I live ---- gold country Ca. Take a look at the knight foundry in Sutter Creek I have been working there and was a docent in some open house tours. It was established in 1873. The people who worked there then would still recognize it. The important part is that I am doing better than ever and just getting started. So Google the knight foundry, and it's on TH-cam also. I'm in there for a few seconds look for the handsome guy in the pattern shop. 🙂
For your 1st time he did a great job. I would be happy just to come over and see the shop.
Great episode, Keith. Nothing like passing on the skills it took us so long to learn!
Rich
Great job teaching him. Imparting your knowledge on others is a great way to get the younger generation involved in machining
What a privilege to work in your shop, use your machines, and be taught by you. Tim must be an extraordinary young man for you to invest in him that way. It would be a thrill just to watch you work Keith no less by taught by you. Great way to pay it forward. God bless.
The doctor is in teaching the next generation.
It's good Tim is learning the manual method. However, I wonder if tech schools still teach the manual ways or just teach the students to design in a 3D CAD program and auto generate the G code for the CNC lathe? Technology is good but the old knowledge is sadly disappearing. It's going to be like the sci-fi stories where nobody knows how to fix the machines when they break.
Very interesting watching someone take their very first cut on a lathe.
I bet it was a bit daunting for him doing it on camera as well :)
Nice to see u passing experiences to the next generation of machinists keith
to get private lessons from Mr Keith i would clean his shop forever!
Well done Tim. We all learn from our mistakes, even Keith started to turn the wrong handed thread!
You were under pressure first time and all, and with a camera on you, you did fine.
We should all offer our services to the youngsters and newbies whenever we can.
You would have been an awesome shop teacher Keith !
Good all around craftsman, but not TH-cam's shop teacher that's why we watch tubalcain also. Sorry Keith couldn't stop myself from doing it. Just having fun.
That ws really awesome. You brought in someone and helped them along their journey. We need more people like that.
It is nice to see everyone makes error and can be caught in time to save the project. I tend to learn more that way
Its nice to see you sharing your skills with our youth.Good guy you are.
I love the knowledge in this channel!
The heart of a teacher! Keith, you exude kindness and knowledge.
Excellent episode! A mentor like you is confident enough to let others learn from all aspects of the process. Awesome.
BOZO has run amuck! A Machinist in training, learning the good, and the ways things go bad. What not to do next time. We have all been there. He has had a "taste" of machining, and that taste is hard to get out of your mouth. He's hooked.
Keith, the best way to learn is to teach. Thanks for passing your knowledge on to the next generation.
This is exactly why all of us should adhere to the " bring a kid to work" ethic. Not that Tim;s a kid but you know what I mean. Plant the seed and it will grow. !!!!!
Also...Have learned so much from so many during my years in the hobby of 'playing trains'. It is far more than what it sounds like! there is a love for the beast that breathes when it steams, the art in knowing what to do when it needs a little love and tenderness, and the knowledge of how to use this tool or that tool to effect the repairs required. A different day with different tools and materials and this job would have needed different planning to achieve a similar end.
Really appreciate you taking the time to mentor a young fella. I'm sure he has been bit by the machinist bug now.
When I heard the Ding-Dong sound, I realised it was a good lesson. Knowing about something and getting the knowledge reinforced is another, so I got two reinforcements from this, awareness of direction and depth, thanks for showing.
Nice video Keith. Thanks for sharing. cheers.
Can you imagine Mrpete teaching a class when this happened? One would never forget!
Hi Tim. Good to see you on Keith channel
Tim's lucky. He's got a pretty nice friend to show him the way. Keep up the good work.
To pass knowledge along is a wonderful thing to do.
Great to see you passing along your information to someone new to machining, nothing like hands-on. Getting to the point where the schools don't teach much, and that goes for most colleges these days. Great opportunity for Tim and cutting an acme thread is a good skill to have when repairing machines/tools.👍
Some of the best lathes have been sitting for years.i have come accross rusty lathes around a hundred years old and a little time and use they always free up and go back to work.alot of times the ones sitting have less wear than one being used all those years.i like fixing them as much as using them.but my current lathe is being a pain. Bought a grizzly g4016 lathe with the gear box apart.having lots of fun trying to find parts.but at least i can still turn with it while working on it.the last lathe i has was a atlas that i 3d printed the gears and worked great.this one isnt going to be that simple but its coming along.last night i used electralysis to clean the 3 jaw and 4 jaw chucks.and after the rust is gone fron setting for a decade, the tool post and both chucks barely have scratches on them which makes me beleive he broke the gearbox and let it set most of its life.once its fixed it will last a few generations hopefully.like my southbend that is 100 years old.
Bloomin heck! Someone really wasn't paying attention to do that kind of damage, I'm actually impressed that the drill did that.
The kid that did that must have been hanging off of the drill press quill handle with both feet off of the ground!
@@Dwarfracer88 Ha ha!
Perfect no, functional yes. Good job guys. Learned on a monarch in high school. Left hand threads can be tricky. After you've cranked off that lug nut. You're a good teacher Keith, thanks for sharing.
Nicely done, gentlemen. It's a great plan to allow Tim to learn as you make the part. It seemed that your first cut was right hand instead of left hand threads. Glad you caught it quickly.
Another educational video. You pointed out the threading stop on the cross slide, which is interesting, I thought my Pratt Whitney Model C was the only models that had it. I do wish it was in the condition of your Monarch.
Left hand thread may explain why the collar would not thread off when treated as a right thread. :-) Mistakes are learning opportunities which build experience. We all know hobbyist machining is much more prone to mistakes than professional machining everyday. I have found not only do my machines tend to rust between occasional use but I do too.
Yes. Bit of brain-fade Mr. Bozo moment there. He started off hitting the punch in the correct direction for a left-hand thread (nut turning clockwise viewed from the camera angle) but then unaccountably used the drift to lock the collar against the casting while trying to turn the shaft clockwise (effectively the nut turning anticlockwise this time).
sweet .. I sure ENJOYED .. Tim took away some know how ,, and some fire to get his lathe up and going !
wonderful to see knowledge being pass on the young. waiting to see more projects from you with other young men and girls
Keith, great video. It's all about sharing what we know. You were 100% spot on, mistakes happen, and if you learn from them, they transform from a mistake to an investment! One of your better videos!
Well done!! If that's the worst thing that happened that day, then it was a great day.
Good deal, Tim. I write things down on the vise with a sharpie. The cheapest paper and pen can help even a strong memory.
Tim, the big lesson you can derive from this is "You can always cut a little more metal off. Putting it back - not so easy." Congrats on your first single-point threading.
Hope he can work/learn with you again. I learn something every time I watch one of your videos.
Keith; It was nice seeing you take a young man under your direction to teach him the trade, I'm sure it's going to last him a lifetime. Good for you.
That was cool Keith. Such a good experience forTim. Tim we all started out not knowing anything you did just fine.The good craftsmen learn from their mistakes. Remember righty tighty, lefty losey sometimes doesn't work.🙂
good job I love thread cutting
Well done you two. It's a bit like learning to drive a car - a stick shift as you would call one. Kudos Keith for leaving in the error in the video. It's enormously helpful to see other peoples learning opportunities. You were filming and teaching at the same time, so hardly suprising. There's some chance now that I might remember to check on my work! One safety point for Tim, have a think about trimming the beard back a bit. It's all too easy to lean over a rotating work piece and - argh! Cheers, BobUK.
You know what you call a stick shift on a car these days? A millennial anti theft device.
That's great! Tim will do a great job as he continues to learn, I'm sure!
Hey Keith - That was so great to see you helping Tim. You could have been a teacher. Did I hear Tim say that he owns a lathe and it needs needs some work?? Keith, sounds like a future project!!!
Nice to see the laathe in action and even nicer seeing you let Tim get involved, and like you say ok he went a little deep but rekon he'll not make the same mistake again !
Good job guys 👍
Learning by doing. I was nervous for Tim as he engaged his first thread pass. Let's have some more master class videos! Greetings from Switzerland.
Thanks for teaching. Thanks for sharing
I need to make a screw for my vise- so this was helpful!
I really like that threading stop. That would make things a lot quicker
Great video! Awesome to see someone learning the art of manual machining. He did quite well considering how I butchered work while learning, nor did he crash the machine... lol
Regarding the threads, he learned it's easier to remove material than replace it. I think that there is a great first lesson.
Nice shop you got there
Thanks, Keith! You both did GOOD!
Awesome job! Learning from a master is so good to see today.
!!! Congratulations Tim. You gotter' done!!!
Good to see this it makes a fantastic channel even better thanks Mr. Rucker
22:55 I bet I'm not the only one who was thankful to have realized the old one was left-hand-thread at that point...
Well done, both of y’all.
I have similar project to do. Long ago there was a strong Canadian farmer that manged to get similar vice screw bent and the vice casting actually let go. The vice was brazen together. But the screw was never replaced. The internal threads (that go over the screw in the movable jaw) are also mangled a bit. This makes the vice have hard to move spots.
He did good for the first time machining.
He has learnt a valuable lesson in his early days, better now than on a precision piece. Good to see the master and apprentice at work, both learned from the project. 👍🇦🇺🔭
Can't lie, if had never used a lathe before and had to step up to the plate with that Monarch... not only would I be intimated, but I'd also be terrified as well! Great job, Tim.
Keith & Tim, great video and great learning experience thanks for sharing.!.!.!.
When adjusting the tail stock, you were still off after the first adjustment because you were measuring the adjustment from a different place than where you measured the diameter (which was further down the taper).
Great Video, nice of you to share your knowledge in training someone.
really enjoyed
I would have to take out the label maker and tag that compound as direct read if all the others are traditional.. Sometimes there are calculations and two or three other things on my mind. Brain stutter? lol
What a great video!