don't get me wrong, she was a great player, but her deranged fan that STABBED Monica in the back caused her to win HALF of the slams she won, Monica was never the same player after the stabbing (who would be?)
@@mima167 The notion that Monica would have won every single GS event between 1993 and idk 2003 without the stabbing is quite deranged. Graf won 11 GS titles between 1987 - 1992 and had already established herself as the most dominant player in the history of the sport up until that point (13 consecutive GS finals). Graf continued to win GS events during Seles reign as #1, namely Wimbledon 1991 and 1992. This game of "what if" is not fair because it works in Graf's favor as well. What if she played beyond 1999. Could Graf have won the US Open 1999 and the French Open in 2000? What if Graf never injured her knee and what if Graf never missed the 1997-1998 seasons? What if Graf never missed the 1995 and 1996 spring season? In the end , we can only judge the people on what they have won in tennis. Graf von 107 tournaments, incl. 22 GS titles and retired at age 30. Seles won 53 titles, incl. 9 GS titles and retired at age 30. Your logic means that all the women who won GS titles between 1993 - 2003 did not deserve their wins either: 1994 - FO - Sanchez Vicario 1994 - W - Martinez 1994 - USO - Sanchez Vicario 1995 - AO - Pierce 1997 - AO - Hingis 1997 - FO - Majoli 1997 - W - Hingis 1997 - USO - Hingis 1998 - AO - Hingis 1998 - FO - Sanchez Vocario 1998 - W - Novotna 1998 - USO - Davenport 1999 - AO - Hingis 1999 - W - Davenport 1999 - USO - Williams, S 2000 - AO - Dabeport 2000 - FO - Pierce 2000 - W - Williams. V 2000 - USO - Williams, V 2001 - AO - Capriati 2001 - FO - Capriati 2001 - W - Willliams, V 2001 - USO - Williams, V 2002 - AO - Capriati 2002 - FO - Williams, S 2002 - W - Williams, S 2002 - USO - Williams, S 2003 - AO - Williams, S 2003 - FO - Henin 2003 - W - Williams, S 2003 - USO - Henin They are all so undeserving. Monica would have won every GS tournament until today.
@@mima167You are a sad nationalistic hater. Seles never was able to beat Steffi on grass, on fast hard courts (USO-style) or indoors. Seles only won a lot in the early 90s because Steffi was in a slump. Heck, 1991 was only Steffi‘s 11th-best year! Tell us what Seles, Evert, Navratilova, Serena did in THEIR 11th-best years. Disgusting.
but we do have to keep in mind that had it not been for an obsessed Steffi Graf fan attempting to MURDER Monica Seles, she WOULD have won MANY of the slams Graf won in 93-99
@@mima167 honestly, who knows.....what happened to Monica was TERRIBLE....but I honestly think a part of her used the stabbing to get away from tennis....which I can understand.....we can only judge on the results....and no way was Steffi going to just give up because she lost to Monica a few times.
I have followed tennis since Chris Ever glory and I believe Serena is one of the best tennis players of her time. I don’t see anyone came close to what she has achieved as “grand slam matches won”. Congratulations to Serena
As far as who would beat who on their best day, the nod might go to Serena over Graf, but as far as the most dominant player in women's tennis goes, it's hands down Steffi Graf. She was no.1 much longer than anyone else and retired two months after she turned 30!
I don't like Court as a person, but from the records standpoint, she beat Serena because she won almost all of her slams before age 30, so more slams in the shorter period of time with less losses
It's amazing Henin reached 100 slams wins mark in 21st century earlier than Serena despite Serena was almost a top 10 player in turn of 21st century. That's shows Henin consistency & Serena's inconsistency especially after her 1st Serena slam win. Of course she was more successful in next decade because the competition becomes weak. There hardly any ATG talent that appeared on the tour until Osaka, Barty & Iga came along.
There's only one GOAT and thats the person at the top of charts. The numbers dont lie so stop moving the goal post. Serena for the win...literally. Don't like it? Cry about it.
If we are talking about the GOAT in GS only then its Serena but If we are talking the GOAT in tennis then its Martina Navratilova, she has won more titles than anybody else...Always in Open Era cause thats when Tennis started being fair...
let's be clear, had Martina or Chris played until they were 39, they would have won more slams too, plus in their era it wasn't not recommended to play the Australian open or even the French for several years
Serena was not able to dominate her peers like Henin, Clisters, Davenport and others in her first 10 Years. After that she was able to win most slams with 30+, like Djokovic. That was a period were there werent any very good players..Serena on her day with all the power surely is perhaps the best on fast courts, but not on clay and grass. Here i would give Graf the edge.
Shame Serena ended her career with her pregnancy. Came back at the age of 36 so inferior to what she was before getting pregnant. She would have won at lead 5 or 6 more slams if she continued until the covid break without getting pregnant
she skipped 19 grand slam events, that was her mistake. She also let herself LOSE in the EARLY rounds of 19 more grand slams, those those issues are on her back
@@damiencampbell8320 Serena won 23 majors in the Open Era against 3 different generations. Margaret Court won the majority of her Australian Open titles against her compatriots as nobody bothered to travel this far at the time. I’m a proud Aussie and it wouldn’t bother me the slightest if they changed MC Arena to Evonne Goolagong Arena or Serena Arena and I’m not the only one here Down Under who feels this way 🙄
don't get me wrong, I HATE Margaret Court for her homophobia against BJK & Martina (and the rest of the LGBT cmty) but she technically did win 26 Grand Slams.
Steffi has the highest slam match winning percentage of the open era.
Won 21 of the 36 slams she played from 1987 to 1996 (missed 4).
Steffi is the GOAT. She had the best winning percentage in grand slams.
Graf - the GOAT. Only Golden Slam winner. Retired at age 30.
don't get me wrong, she was a great player, but her deranged fan that STABBED Monica in the back caused her to win HALF of the slams she won, Monica was never the same player after the stabbing (who would be?)
@@mima167 The notion that Monica would have won every single GS event between 1993 and idk 2003 without the stabbing is quite deranged.
Graf won 11 GS titles between 1987 - 1992 and had already established herself as the most dominant player in the history of the sport up until that point (13 consecutive GS finals).
Graf continued to win GS events during Seles reign as #1, namely Wimbledon 1991 and 1992.
This game of "what if" is not fair because it works in Graf's favor as well. What if she played beyond 1999. Could Graf have won the US Open 1999 and the French Open in 2000? What if Graf never injured her knee and what if Graf never missed the 1997-1998 seasons? What if Graf never missed the 1995 and 1996 spring season?
In the end , we can only judge the people on what they have won in tennis.
Graf von 107 tournaments, incl. 22 GS titles and retired at age 30.
Seles won 53 titles, incl. 9 GS titles and retired at age 30.
Your logic means that all the women who won GS titles between 1993 - 2003 did not deserve their wins either:
1994 - FO - Sanchez Vicario
1994 - W - Martinez
1994 - USO - Sanchez Vicario
1995 - AO - Pierce
1997 - AO - Hingis
1997 - FO - Majoli
1997 - W - Hingis
1997 - USO - Hingis
1998 - AO - Hingis
1998 - FO - Sanchez Vocario
1998 - W - Novotna
1998 - USO - Davenport
1999 - AO - Hingis
1999 - W - Davenport
1999 - USO - Williams, S
2000 - AO - Dabeport
2000 - FO - Pierce
2000 - W - Williams. V
2000 - USO - Williams, V
2001 - AO - Capriati
2001 - FO - Capriati
2001 - W - Willliams, V
2001 - USO - Williams, V
2002 - AO - Capriati
2002 - FO - Williams, S
2002 - W - Williams, S
2002 - USO - Williams, S
2003 - AO - Williams, S
2003 - FO - Henin
2003 - W - Williams, S
2003 - USO - Henin
They are all so undeserving. Monica would have won every GS tournament until today.
@@mima167You are a sad nationalistic hater.
Seles never was able to beat Steffi on grass, on fast hard courts (USO-style) or indoors.
Seles only won a lot in the early 90s because Steffi was in a slump. Heck, 1991 was only Steffi‘s 11th-best year!
Tell us what Seles, Evert, Navratilova, Serena did in THEIR 11th-best years.
Disgusting.
Graf is the 🐐 in my books❤. She’s the one and only Golden Slam person ever!
Graf is the GOAT, no debate until you add doubles which nobody cares.
the fact that serena came back and still made 4 GS finals is crazy.. so sad she couldn't win at least one of them
Evert was in a league of her own for a a while. Her stats are mind blowing.
Martina is the goat. For her contributions to singles doubles and mixed doubles.
Great job, mate
Awesome ❤❤❤. Plz do more Women's tennis stats plz
Graf's numbers are all the more remarkable given she retired at 30
but we do have to keep in mind that had it not been for an obsessed Steffi Graf fan attempting to MURDER Monica Seles, she WOULD have won MANY of the slams Graf won in 93-99
@@mima167 honestly, who knows.....what happened to Monica was TERRIBLE....but I honestly think a part of her used the stabbing to get away from tennis....which I can understand.....we can only judge on the results....and no way was Steffi going to just give up because she lost to Monica a few times.
@@mima167 hmm what happend when Grafs father would not been in prison so Steffi could focus much more in Tenis?
I have followed tennis since Chris Ever glory and I believe Serena is one of the best tennis players of her time.
I don’t see anyone came close to what she has achieved as “grand slam matches won”.
Congratulations to Serena
Serena is a 🐷
Serena failed to participate in 19 slams and had 19 more where she lost early (before qtrs) Chris made it to ever Semi but 2
As far as who would beat who on their best day, the nod might go to Serena over Graf, but as far as the most dominant player in women's tennis goes, it's hands down Steffi Graf. She was no.1 much longer than anyone else and retired two months after she turned 30!
Serena Williams the GOAT
I don't like Court as a person, but from the records standpoint, she beat Serena because she won almost all of her slams before age 30, so more slams in the shorter period of time with less losses
@@mima167 You are delusional, have you seen the competition that Court faced compared to Ms. Williams. It was a joke during her time
Radwanska not winning a slam is still so unfortunate.
Serena is the GOAT
Are you missing ASV from the list in 21st century? 2000 and 2001 she would have a combined 19 match wins
The 21st century began on January 1, 2021.
@@WeLoveTennisTH-cam 2001 you mean - ah yep ok, makes sense - thanks
@@CJJAK37 LOL I asked the same question yesterday! Every day is a school day.
Its a stupid metric. It does not acknowledge the losses acrued to get those wins.
Slam Career win/loss % 1. Graf 90% 2. Evert 89% 3. Serena 87% 4. Martina 86%
% of majors championship won 1. Graf 40.7% 2. Evert 32.1% 3. Martina 29.9% 4. Serena 28.4%
% of majors reached final 1. Evert 60.7% 2. Graf 55.6% 3. Martina 47.8% 4. Serena 40%
Slam finals conversion % 1. Graf 73.1% 2.Serena 71.9% 3. Martina 56.3% 4. Evert 52.9%
% of major reached SF's 1. Evert 92.9% 2. Graf 66% 3. Martina 65.7% 4. Serena 49.4%
Semifinals conversion % 1.Serena 82.5% 2. Graf 81.1% 3. Martina 72.7% 4. Evert 65.4%
% of slams entered reached QF's 1. Evert 96.4% 2. Martina 79.1% 3. Graf 74.1% 4. Serena 66.7%
QFinals conversion % 1. Evert 96.2 2. Graf 88.1% 3. Martina 83% 4.Serena 74.1%
% of slams entered to losses in Rds1-3 1.Evert only 3.6% 2. Graf 13% 3. Martina 13.4% 4. Serena 21%
It's amazing Henin reached 100 slams wins mark in 21st century earlier than Serena despite Serena was almost a top 10 player in turn of 21st century. That's shows Henin consistency & Serena's inconsistency especially after her 1st Serena slam win. Of course she was more successful in next decade because the competition becomes weak. There hardly any ATG talent that appeared on the tour until Osaka, Barty & Iga came along.
The Willams Sisters Dominate
Why doesn't Arantxa feature in the 21st century list? She won 15 slam matches alone in 2000.
2000 is the 20th century.
@WeLoveTennisTH-cam I did not know that lol - I always thought the 21stC started in the millennium!!
Shows you Radwanska should’ve won a slam.
There's only one GOAT and thats the person at the top of charts. The numbers dont lie so stop moving the goal post. Serena for the win...literally. Don't like it? Cry about it.
If we are talking about the GOAT in GS only then its Serena but If we are talking the GOAT in tennis then its Martina Navratilova, she has won more titles than anybody else...Always in Open Era cause thats when Tennis started being fair...
let's be clear, had Martina or Chris played until they were 39, they would have won more slams too, plus in their era it wasn't not recommended to play the Australian open or even the French for several years
Serena was not able to dominate her peers like Henin, Clisters, Davenport and others in her first 10 Years. After that she was able to win most slams with 30+, like Djokovic. That was a period were there werent any very good players..Serena on her day with all the power surely is perhaps the best on fast courts, but not on clay and grass. Here i would give Graf the edge.
because the last ten years womens tennis has become nothing sadly
Grand slam matches doesnt mean anything not u less they won the tournament,
Serena > Graf. This is fact
Graf > Navratilova > Serena/Court. This is fact.
282 matches to win 22 majors. The other one needed 367 matches to one one extra 😂
"the other" has a name.
And actually Serena reached 23rd GS with 316 wins
@@Hugo-gc8jm my choice. What’s your issue? You the moral police? I guess to your brains 282 is still more than 316.
Shame Serena ended her career with her pregnancy. Came back at the age of 36 so inferior to what she was before getting pregnant. She would have won at lead 5 or 6 more slams if she continued until the covid break without getting pregnant
she skipped 19 grand slam events, that was her mistake. She also let herself LOSE in the EARLY rounds of 19 more grand slams, those those issues are on her back
102 for all time leader Margret Court should say it all lol she is NOT the goat if the her earlier wins were only 3 or 4 matches
She had more wins, but before the Open Era.
@@WeLoveTennisTH-cam She’s still Not the Goat. Serena Williams is.
That is for open era wins, not all wins. They didn't turn professional until 1967/8 and she had won many matches and championships before that
@@damiencampbell8320 Serena won 23 majors in the Open Era against 3 different generations. Margaret Court won the majority of her Australian Open titles against her compatriots as nobody bothered to travel this far at the time. I’m a proud Aussie and it wouldn’t bother me the slightest if they changed MC Arena to Evonne Goolagong Arena or Serena Arena and I’m not the only one here Down Under who feels this way 🙄
don't get me wrong, I HATE Margaret Court for her homophobia against BJK & Martina (and the rest of the LGBT cmty) but she technically did win 26 Grand Slams.